Recording The Stone Roses Second Coming an Interview with Nick Brine
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- In this video I interview (my first) the highly talented and successful Nick Brine about his experiences at Rockfield and recording with The Stone Roses as they spent a whopping 14 months at Rockfield Studios, Monmouth Wales recording Second Coming.
We talk about many aspects of that time including his experience of what it was like working with Ian, John, Mani and Reni, some technical aspects, colleagues like Simon Dawson and Paul Schroeder (producers) and many great stories and anecdotes
Thanks Nick
5:44 Watching Reni practice - what a great start to the day!!! Absolute best drummer of his generation
absolute masterpiece
John Squier's guitar work is up there amongst the very best - absolutely brilliant
Completely agree
I don't care what anybody says The Second Coming is a superb album. It might not be to the taste of everyone who can't see past the debut but it's got some classic Rose's tunes and more on there.
Damn straight 👍🏻
@@jcalver80 Great video mate. Thanks for this. I am a massive Stone Rose's fan. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate will try 👍🏻
SC is better than their debut. For real. And I am a MASSIVE fan of their debut.
I think there are brilliant moments on there because the Roses are amazing, but I do find it a little over the top on the guitar, it's not as effective and musical as the debut. Sometimes it feels like they were trying to put too much on it in a way that feels slightly disjointed. Unpopular opinion I know, but I'm still a massive fan.
Great stuff John
Really interesting to hear some behind the scenes stuff, and to hear about how Nick got started in it all!
Thanks James appreciate it
Really interesting, I don't know much about these bands so it was good to hear all the old stories. Good interview technique by the way (Y)
Great video mate i love listening to this guy - imagine leaving a paper round and straight to engineering top bands. Mental
Great video man! Love the insight into the making of this underrated album. I really wish they had made a third record
Thanks Mitchell. Yeah I love this record, highly underrated and a third would have been fantastic.
Proud proud proud of my school mate and friend still now Nick Brine,for the works he has done on some of the greatest songs of the last couple of eras. Plus the infamous Studio for putting our small market Town in the Countryside on the map. ❤🤙🤟🤝
He's a top bloke and so very talented
Super interesting for Roses fans - thanks very much for a great interview!
Pleasure glad you enjoyed
God. I left school at the same time as this fella and started work the day after finishing my GCSEs as a butchers apprentice. What a lucky lad he is!.
Hearing from someone so close to the band around this period is very fascinating being a big Roses fan, the mind boggles how Nick got so close to the band, especially jealous he got to watch the genius that is Reni drumming. Could listen to stories of this period all day, every day 👍🏻
Me too, so glad you enjoyed it, absolutely fascinating bloke and like you say amazing perspective of someone who was there.
@@jcalver80 be very interested to interview the guy myself, being a freelance music journo about his book 😬
great interview, thanks for sharing, John. , I'm so jealous, I wish it was me who had the opportunity to play John's guitar 😂😂
Haha you can hear the jealousy in my voice
My entry into the stone roses was this album, I had heard their name in oasis interviews so went into our price and spotted the name on a cassette, i got this with my own money n loved it, hearing this before the debut. I love both and often listen to breaking into heaven, i adore the whole nature sounds, bird/ stream echoey intro and the takes its damn timeness of the album. Brilliant interview and great work. Cannot wait for that book! Would love to hear why leckie left the project after the first day & an interview with you and dawson, Schroeder or owen morris in future if possible
So kind thanks. Have asked for a SD interview but these are like hens teeth but you never know
They aren't birds chirping incidentally, Ian recorded the sound of baby crocodiles from some documentary to make those noises......
Oh wow! Good info never heard about that.before. where did you find that out?
@@jcalver80 it was in an issue of the NME from 1995 I think, with the Roses on the cover entitled 'Resurrection Kerfuffle' detailing exactly what they'd been upto in their near 5 year live hiatus.It wasn't an interview, info was compiled from various unnamed sources I guess....
Apparently Second Coming only sold a quarter of what the debut album sold. Bonkers! Second Coming is brilliant too.
Great video John. Really enjoyed it.
Thanks really great that you did, love hearing comments like this.
Second Coming is absolutely brilliant in my view.
Nowt wrong with second coming…great title..grt album art…grt tracks..people who slate are into what there into into but spent plenty of late nights early mornings hammering second coming in the day
@@leewhieldon4299 Agreed mate it's top notch, people just spend too much time comparing it to the first album which is a pointless thing to do in my opinion.
I like it!
Cheers John. Thanks for the reply 🙂
This interview is such a gem! Thanks for doing this
My pleasure mate glad you enjoyed
I live 15 minutes from Monmouth, imagine being out and seeing the Roses on the lash.
Great interview. Always amuses me when people say second coming is bad....I'm like "have you checked?"...a couple of skippers but a lot of big big tunes.
Absolutely! I mean I don't skip but I understand some may on some 😄
Thanks very kind of you to say
This album changed my life last year. Thank you for this interview man, it's fantastic to hear how chill this period of the band was and what an amazing album that came from it. So cool to hear that good times and daybreak were done live. Those tracks are so intense. Did Simon play organ on daybreak?
Thank you from Brisbane, Australia.
Hi Riley glad you enjoyed, chilled in the studio but their lives weren't so much they'd had kidd and the massively drawn out court case and injunction to not record any music for ages.
Yeah he did play hammond on Daybreak another vid to come in the future about production 👍🏼
I can’t wait for his book to come out!
terrific interview, cheers.
Any album with breaking into heaven, love spreads, tsls, beggin you, tightrope, how do you sleep and driving south is a great album. Guess people wanted that first album sound, personally i prefer the 2nd.
Me too Rizzle. Great album.
@@jcalver80 thanks for the interview, very interesting.
I prefer second too 👍🏻
I don't think people wanted the first album sound at the time. People wanted the fools gold, somethings burning, one love kind of sound. That's where the Roses messed up big time. And then four years had gone and they came out with Second Coming which is a really good album but there momentum had gone. There second album should have been a more fools gold kind of psychedelic sound but they waited too long and the record company issues didn't help
Thanks for the comment! Interesting take. I think you're right in general. Maybe a bit if both styles were craved... you're certainly right about momentum
The first album was just one of those moments in time where everything is perfect and comes together like a lightning bolt. People ponder what the band could have been if they'd not had the legal issues... Well, the Roses are my favorite band and I for one am thankful and content that we got the one album of perfection.
Agreed, just I think they are both perfection haha thanks for the comment
Very underrated masterpiece
Mate this is great!
Thanks Sam, glad you enjoyed it. Appreciate the comment.
love this... :)
I never knew cant see me was the original breaking onto heaven bassline....and the neve desk he mentioned went to Nottingham i had the pleasure of twiddling when i went to college there....
Second coming doesn’t get the respect&
adulation it deserves even now as it didnt at the time it was released sadly.i just think that people expected a continuation of the 1st LP but so much time had passed and the roses had to keep current and up with the time and still remain relevant!
Me&my pals got it!we weren’t disappointed,we absolutely loved it irrespective of it taking so long to produce!!!Great album from start to finish
There's always a section who will want what's been before to be replicated. I personally love that Squire changes what he writes, and it's always amazing musically, technically, and melodically
The Roses should really be regarded as a 3 album band because of the quality and amount of stuff they created before their debut was released and before Second Coming was released. The La's are even stranger - they released 1 album but they made enough great material before and since to be regarded as a 4 album band.
Second Coming is my favourite album of theirs, I play it far more than the debut, the intricate guitar work is just mind blowing, esp Breaking Into Heaven & Love Spreads. Some people just don’t get it because they don’t like the led zeppelin/hard rock influence on some tracks.
Second Coming is an excellent album. I don't quite know what the music industry was expecting. The problem is that there were lots of indie groups releasing albums that year (Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Primal Scream, Dodgy, Portishead, Bush, etc). Second Coming is as good as all of these, so the music industry clearly had an axe to grind with the Roses.
some folk forget just how long the material took to get together on their debut, years...
5 and half years. The Beatles had gone from “Please Please Me” through “Rubber Soul” and “Sgt. Pepper’s” to “the White Album” in that time.
Mani always said they were a lazy bunch. The same could not be said for the Beatles... they were prolific.
Beatles didn’t write their own stuff. Controversial. Look it up..
@@AndrewJones-ki1ye It’s not controversial. It’s nonsense.
An album worth checking out that Nick worked on with Owen Morris at Rockfield is floored by Pusherman...great lost LP that one
Cheers Stuart will check it out
I much prefer second coming and could never understand why it failed in comparison. I now think for it's time it was too Jimmy page influenced and the music at the time was dance and electronic orientated but in my mind it's vastly superior
I couldnt of said it better myself I totally agree.
Yep. Agree
I think the music press just had it in for them because it was 5 years after the debut, no matter how good it was, unfairly maligned. And that influenced a lot of peoples negative options even now.
Such a shame the band had become SO good too
@@jcalver80 I agree and I’d have liked to have heard Love Is the Law as a Roses tune. Or some of Ian’s early solo stuff with the Squire magic.
The '59 Les Paul guitar that is mentioned, wasn't actually Johns'. It was bought by Geffen records when they signed for them. Although John played it non stop for 5 years, he had to give it back when he quit. Not sure if Aziz went on to use it, but it was eventually sold, and ended up in the hands of Bon Jovis' guitarist, Richie Sambora! Who later, sold it himself.
Yep knew that, yeah Aziz played it at Reading '96 and on the unfinished Monkey Business album.. it must have been sold then.
Check out my Aziz interviews 👍🏻
@@jcalver80 Ah, will do. Not surprised John didn't let it out of his sight. I read on a couple of Les Paul forums that he tried to get his hands on another original '59 when he was with the Seahorses, but it never happened.
@Civilian2.0 not surprised! Wonderful guitars but not even rock stars can always afford those beauts. Such a nice Les Paul that one
It’s not that 2nd Coming is okay or rubbish; it arrived six years after their debut, which is a lifetime for a band. They were hot in 89/90 and needed to go back into the studio and release more music. The proof is in the history books: The Stone Roses debut easily makes it onto best-of lists, Second Coming doesn’t.
In terms of chart success you're right. Second Coming is still great. Just not what the people or the media were expecting. It's my personal favourite. All personal taste really.
What song did he play tambourine on?
EDIT: Never mind, just checked the sleeve. Love Spreads.
Roses had ambition made it work with the right people & studios.
STONE ROSES AND SEPULTURA, two Amazing bands....🎯🤣💦 🤟👁🤟
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i made a record in that room a year ago
Cool
@@jcalver80 it wasnt unfortunately lol. the record came out crap and it cos a small fortune lol. good experience tho
Oh dear mate sorry to hear that. Why do you think that was?
@@jcalver80 a story as old as time. the singer was a cunt. made changes without consulting the rest of the band. producer wasn't the right man for the job either. the songs are all good, wrong direction.
@Steve BB shame mate
Led Roses
syncing up two 48 track digital machines - that's excessive. Ninety six tracks. The LP would've sounded loads better done on an A80 MKIV.
enjoyed that, very interesting indeed.., have you got an email address I can get from you John
(for future MCR artist interviews on your channel)
ta ☑️
Hi, you can reach me at John.calver@outlook.com
@@jcalver80 thanks John, be in contact 👌
I know this guy is friends with all and everyone…. I wanted to hear about how Ian and John would erase what the other did …. Hahah😂
What do you mean?
Lol…. I’m big Roses fan , I read that when they where recording “ The Second coming “. John would stay up on coke all night and record his guitar bits and bobs. Ian would come in next day, And erase what he’d done ….. then John would come in and erase all Ian’s vocals!!! 😭😭😭
😃 never heard that one. Would explain some time lost
@@libertard6101 Read the exact same thing! 😂 A box of maltesers when you're clinked up can solve a lot of problems it seems!
Bwhahaha 🤙🏽
What I'd love to know is why can't Ian Brown sing live at concerts? His voice is so clear and pitch perfect on both albums and as far as I know they didn't have pitch correction back then, so WTF happens to him live? Occasionally you'll hear him sound okay on youtube videos but the majority of his vocals are woefully out of tune. On the Made Of Stone DVD you can definitely hear the auto tune on his voice in those black and white rehearsals. That would've been a great question to ask. Sore point I guess?
I've often wondered why he's out live too and have come to the conclusion that because his style is quite breathy and soft in comparison to someone like Liam/Rotten etc he tried to compensate on a very loud live stage. John guitars were up at very high volumes.. he's been way better since using in ear monitors and was absolutely fantastic at the Madison Square garden concerts.
So I didn't ask because I know Ian can sing really well and it's much easier in a studio.
You're right. Those rehearsals are drenched in auto tune, I think they probably used much more than they needed. Ian wouldn't have been that out but if you make the note perfect it affects the timbre of the voice, so it's more noticeable.
Yes it would've been a dodgy question. I was just curious. We don't get Ian Brown here much live in OZ so I've not heard him live recently but I take your word for it. That's an interesting theory on his voice being low and breathy. There's a clip on youtube where he's singing "Tears" live with the Roses in 95 and he's perfectly on pitch so it can be done . Thx for the reply. I'm a recent sub. Great channel!@@jcalver80
Ahh, great to have you here mate. Really appreciate the kind words.
Awesome, I'm getting the word out to Oz as well!
One of the greatest bands of all time were also one of the laziest. During their legal issues period they should have had enough material for three albums. They took full advantage of Geffen. Second Coming truly has some great moments. Ten Storey Love Song and How do you sleep are near perfect. Some others tracks feel like slightly polished demos. Yet, I listened to it twice just the other day.
Selling out Madison Square Garden on June 30th 2016 and killing it that night was a fitting (almost) end.🎉
I know plenty of people who really like SC, but ultimately the Roses did waste their talent. They won their court case and got the huge advance from Geffen in mid '91. The fact that they took until December '94 to release the next album, with all the bad vibes between them that developed during that period, was a total killing of their momentum. They should have been massive in the early 90's, but the way it worked out was they finally re emerged when Oasis were taking over the music scene. I was thinking recently that the way it worked out was similar to how The Sex Pistols made Led Zep look out dated at the end of the 70's. SC has some great moments but Ian Brown and Mani have said that it was too dark and over blown in places.
I'd have to disagree it was like Led Zep and Sex Pistols, firstly because Led Zep had been the biggest selling band of all time throughout the 70s, the Roses never sold massive amounts like them, secondly that Oasis made the Roses look outdated, again I don't agree the Roses were and are loved for what they are and never lost that credibility due to the fact people loved the First album and Fools Gold so much and thirdly because Oasis formed because of the Roses, not true of the Pistols/Led Zep.
Mani and Ian said that after John had left and felt aggrieved about that, they had no problem playing those tunes on their last tours so you can take those comments as coming from a time they were upset that John had left them.
However we all have our own opinions and I welcome yours here thanks for watching and commenting
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I didn't mean Oasis made the Roses music seem outdated, more that they came along and took all the attention away, like punk did. When Oasis released Definitely Maybe, the Roses were pushed away from the spotlight by the fresh new band on the scene. I'm saying this as someone who prefers The Roses to Oasis. I think at their best the Roses were a superior band. All Oasis had that made them stand out was Noel's songwriting and Liam as a frontman.
Also I'm pretty certain that IB and Mani stand by those comments about disliking parts of SC. They like some tracks like Love Spreads, Breaking, Begging You, but really don't like others. Mani has actually said there are some stinkers on it recently, in the last couple of years.
Fair enough 👌🏼
The Roses would still have been overshadowed in the charts by Oasis. It has happened to most of the very best, such as The Doors, Pink Floyd. These bands are simply too subtly cool and interesting, with influences often beyond music but in to art, vaudeville, or politics, for Joe Schmo to constantly have on their radar. Oasis, on occasion, were also interesting but they also speak more to the deeply average person of the time who liked a cigarette and some alcohol.
@Picnicl Tend to agree, Oasis were the extroverted version really and as such got more attention. The more introverted Roses were far more musically interesting but Oasis had more sing along choruses for the everyman. Love them both but The Roses definitely have more to be interested in for the more thoughtful analysts like me. Just my 2 pence worth
Squire trying to be Jimmy page ………naaaaaaaaah
The first album was a classic the second album the taste barriers went up
Fun for guitar players to play along to , but my god it's a flawed album. Obviously not Nick's fault.
Guess you either like it or you don't, but how is it flawed do you think?
Good interview
But couple of decent tracks
But far to self indulgent
They lost their way
Such a wasteful band. 14 coke fuelled months in a studio to come out with the second coming. They totally blew it.
Only John on coke haha. Entitled to your opinion buddy I love the album.
The Led Zep comparison is a bit of a lazy 1 that journalists loved to use TBH. John fused so many more influences into his playing style on this album
Agreed, his playing is Jimmy Page influenced but the album isn't like Led Zeppelin as all. For example Driving South is probably the most Zeppelin it gets guitar wise... but it still doesn't sound like Zep.
Journos were just sore it wasn't in the same vein as earlier stuff... I love it
@@jcalver80 it still does feel very much John's album though. Even Ian and Mani felt that way. I suppose Reni left with that as a big reason too.
Put it this way. Your average indie guitar band player couldn’t play the solo breaks on breaking into heaven.
Nope, exactly it took me years to get it down
@@jcalver80 I still can’t lol did you use any guides, tabs?