Great review - thanks! I don't plan to take many road trips with my Polestar 2 but it's nice to know the real-world range for more accurate trip planning when I do need it.
@@joetacchino4470 My Polestar 2? Got it about 3 weeks ago and am loving it! Fast, roomy and fun to drive. So far, no complaints and happy with my decision.
Love this video. Just came across your channel after watching your MKBHD cameo and have been considering an EV, looking at Volvo XC40 and VW ID.4 as of now. Funny anecdote, I had a 2006 Volvo XC90 back in the day and had several occurrences where it would go into limp mode and I'd have to tow it to the dealership 40 miles away and three of those were very minor fixes, so it's funny to me that the Polestar would be overly cautious with the limp mode too
2:55 You can choose in the settings of the car if you want it to show in miles per kWh. kWh/100km/mile or wh/km/mile is the best though. Easy to convert and easy to compare with other cars. :)
Nice showing for the Polestar 2, Tom. As I tweeted you last week, I test drove the Porsche Taycan base with standard battery (200 miles EPA) and got 29.4 kwh/100 miles, which was excellent showing. Drove it normally- 9085% of 172 mile trip on highway at speeds 70-80 miles/hr. Did not baby it. Also, this was not a range test like you do. THe miles driven + GOM remaining calculated to 250 miles.
The new EPA on the Taycan is around 230 miles and the highway EPA 270 miles. Porsche decided not to do the full range EPA test so they were 30% capped and Porsche voluntarily deducted more.
Tom, another close one! For consumption metric: One does not get in his car to spend some electricity, you get in to go places (i.e. drive some distance). Therefore mile/kWh is the proper metric for this application. Cheers!
Thanks Tom, these comparisons are great! To recap the Polestar 2 most likely has a little shorter range than the Tesla Model 3 SR+ but costs $20k more than the SR+ and even costs over $10k more than the much longer range Model 3 LR and also considerably more than the Tesla Model Y LR. Hmm...
About 10K of that extra price is due to tariffs because the Polestar is made in China. As a Model 3 owner, the value proposition is obvious, but the Polestar 2 is much nicer, IMO in terms of premium interior and feel.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I think Sandy Munro said after their long trip that the Model 3 seats were the most comfortable he's ever used. As far as plush interior I wouldn't care but that's just me. Durability would be important.
@@StormyDog Seating comfort is definitely subjective. I think my Model 3 seats are definitely very comfortable, but they aren't nearly as supportive as the Polestars, IMO.
This is really handy for me, I'm looking forward to road tripping mine when it arrives soon :D I used to have a Tesla Model S P85, very similar real-world range, and it was a pretty solid road trip car. This time I get ventilated seats though, which is gonna be especially great for the humid states!
Good work as usual Tom 👍agree on the need for standard consumption term, things even more confusing when you get Whr per 100 kilometer 🤯 Also battery state in kWhr rather than percent would be useful.
Thanks Tom. Rock solid review as always. I like the consistency and standards. Keep it up 👍 I'm an Elon Stan and proud Tesla owner. Because Tesla, as an American manufacturer leading the WORLD when it comes to EV but getting little acknowledgement and lots of hate, is doing the most and delivering the best, panel gaps and all. That being said. I am all for facts and fairness and that is why I love your reviews. The Polestar2 is good enough if the charging infra and integration works for it's buyers.
Thanks for the info, been deciding between the Mach-E AWD SR and the Polestar 2 AWD. This range test was before the 2022 Polestar range update, hopefully a little better now, It tied the Mach-E AWD SR but this did have 20" wheels compared to the 19" on the Mach E Probably 15 or so miles range difference? I think Mach-E has 70 KWH available and the Polestar 75. I would think all things the same the Polestar probably another 15 or so miles of range than the base Mach-E AWD. 2 Really nice cars. Ended up canceling the Mach E, the Polestar was much more fun to drive, the Mustang is a larger better cruiser though.
10:55 Google knows that the road you are on is a highway and that you will stay on the highway for the set destination. The estimated range in the dashboard is as I understand with "mixed driving" and not only highway.
Not bad at all. Given that on a single charge you can get roughly 220 mile or so on a single charge this still falls short of what a Tesla long range can do also given the fact that the price point between the two are extremely close. That being said this is yet another alternative to Tesla and one people should keep on their short list
Great video, thanks for all your work! I heard Polestar did a software update earlier this year that changed the reserve (when reaching 0% charge) from previously 44 miles to 12 miles. Is this difference of 32 miles included or excluded in your range test result?
I’d also love for you to incorporate a sense of how much of a perceptible performance drop there is in the cars acceleration as the state of charge gets lower. It’s seems some EV’s are like old flashlights where the light output would get dimmer as the batteries are depleted.
That would be difficult to really gauge. With most EVs, you really don't notice performance drop until you're at a very low state of charge, like under 10%. I know the performance does drop as the SOC lowers, but unless you're drag racing, it's very difficult to notice until you get down to low state of charge,
A Model 3 can do 290miles on speeds like this one. And with the new battery from Q2 it can even go beyond that. Not sure what you are referring to. The EPA does a pretty good job, but the EPA doesn't go above 65mph and just briefly
Tom-in your line of work, perhaps bring along a portable power station, such as a MAXOAK Bluetti AC200P, to function as an electronic "spare can of gas"? As you would know better than probably anyone else on the planet, an EV will charge only slowly from one of those, only picking up perhaps 4 or 5 miles of range per hour, and add under ten miles total, but that's equivalent to a pretty long walk, and a AAA call can be even slower, and is not an inherently safe operation (doing a meet-up of two vehicles on a busy highway) as compared to having onboard recharge capability. (Or, to get by more cheaply and barbarically, carry a small, modern inverter generator...) (I'd have a Goal Zero Yeti 3000X in my Model Y, if I had my druthers...)
Thanks for the suggestion. I am working on this. If I were to bring something like that along, it would have to be relatively light, so the extra weight doesn't affect the range much.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You'd perhaps be looking at something in the 50 to 100 pound range to make a difference, probably. (Lithium ion or LIPO4.) In that case, you could ditch something else in the car temporarily?, and/or find a lighter camera person ;-)
Good idea! I see the Jackery Explorer 1500 contains 1.49 kWh and delivers a constant 1.8 kW, weighing in at 33 lbs. it is a bit pricey at $1600 but maybe you can get a donation if you trial it as an EV emergency power solution?
Tom, great range test. What is your “disaster recovery plan”, i e, a way to get a small charge when the car stops? How was comfort with that very wide console? I don’t like hump on rear floor or start/stop button, but binnacle display is nice.
I've never actually run out during range tests, this was the closest I've come. I'm working with SparkCharge now on a solution for future range tests, Until now, AAA was my disaster recovery plan.
I would THINK that running the A/C in 75 degree weather is basically a wash to not running the A/C in 60 degree weather. Batteries benefit from the warmer temps but take the A/C hit???
Thanks, Tom! I set my e-Golf to display kWh/100 km so I get an extra significant figure from the car computer. I would prefer kWh/100 miles but VW does not offer that in the car. Glad you made it. I read AAA offered emergency charge service but then cancelled it because EV drivers never used the service. Does AAA NJ now offer this service?
I suppose that the two different ranges that are displayed are not unlike in a Tesla, where the main screen displays the "EPA range" remaining, whereas the Energy screen displays the actual range projected, based on recent driving characteristics/rate of consumption, and state of charge.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney having used both Guess-o-Meters and Tesla's EPA rated miles I can confidently say I don't care for either. Route specific consumption is the only even remotely accurate estimate, so that's all I use. Hence I like Tesla, Polestar 2, and any other EV with Android Automotive. By the way, Tesla does offer a Guess-o-meter on their Energy screen. It even lets you choose how far back to look to determine current driving conditions. I never use these, but they're available for anyone who really wants it.
@@pepstein Yeah, the rang estimator in the energy screen is waaaay more accurate than the one on the main screen. I wish I could set that as the main range estimator on the main screen.
Tom, did you see the Ford F-150 charge station Pro that enables bi-directional power flow. Please, can you review that ? I do wish a company would offer a 40 amp version of this station.
Yes, I did. I will eventually review it, but I probably won't be able to get on for a long time. Ford still isn't even selling the 48-amp connected home charger yet (sales have been suspended due to an issue), let alone this. I'll get one as soon as they are available, but that won't be until well into 2022.
Tom, if I’m building a new house do you still recommend a 60amp breaker or would you suggest something larger now since the new F-150 I believe uses an 80amp charging system?
@@jerryc3568 if you're building new, then add the extra capacity now, it won't add much cost and you'll be covered no matter what you need in the future. Personally, I'd suggest a 100-amp subpanel feed to your garage.
Tom, will you review the Blink Chargers (level 2)? We are looking at installing two public chargers at our co-op in Longmont (CO) using their IQ 200 product offering.
I noticed you use EA every time. They are the most comprehensive networks outside of Tesla. They should sponsor your channel, FREE JUICE! How many kWh did you add to Polestar 2 to get back to 100%? Curios as rated pack size vs. how much it can be charged?
Will appreciate your thoughts on this- NEW: Electric Vehicle Software Rating Ver 1.0; Android Automotive OS & Polestar 2 ruclips.net/video/sxW19Gnw0t0/видео.html .. see software bring the key factor in EVs in the future. Thanks 😊
I have a question about Ford Mach E . First time EV owner. How come I charged it to 100% at home and it said the range will be 245miles , when it said max. was only 230? How much power does the a/c unit use per hour? I have the base model and I think its great!
The range is only an estimate based on your previous driving history. If you drive it easier with slower launches, you're estimated range will go up. I don't have the exact A/C draw. It's significant, but not nearly as bad as the cabin heater is.
Seen other reviews talking about the new cars having more available battery than advertised to cover any battery degradation in the first year. Maybe extra 2kwh.
But in order for that to be the case, the OEM would have to adjust the software to open up more capacity once the battery begins to degrade. They still need to leave a decent buffer in there or the battery will end up degrading even faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Hey Tom, this is a very intriguing comment but I simply dont have the technical knowhow to respond :) If i can dig out the link i’llsend it.
Great review - thanks! I don't plan to take many road trips with my Polestar 2 but it's nice to know the real-world range for more accurate trip planning when I do need it.
Have you gotten yours yet?
@@joetacchino4470 My Polestar 2? Got it about 3 weeks ago and am loving it! Fast, roomy and fun to drive. So far, no complaints and happy with my decision.
Love this video. Just came across your channel after watching your MKBHD cameo and have been considering an EV, looking at Volvo XC40 and VW ID.4 as of now.
Funny anecdote, I had a 2006 Volvo XC90 back in the day and had several occurrences where it would go into limp mode and I'd have to tow it to the dealership 40 miles away and three of those were very minor fixes, so it's funny to me that the Polestar would be overly cautious with the limp mode too
I really appreciate these range tests. The consistent format really makes the results valuable for comparisons.
2:55 You can choose in the settings of the car if you want it to show in miles per kWh. kWh/100km/mile or wh/km/mile is the best though. Easy to convert and easy to compare with other cars. :)
I didn't see where you could do that, but that's good to hear. Let the customer decide what they want to be displayed.
Nice showing for the Polestar 2, Tom. As I tweeted you last week, I test drove the Porsche Taycan base with standard battery (200 miles EPA) and got 29.4 kwh/100 miles, which was excellent showing. Drove it normally- 9085% of 172 mile trip on highway at speeds 70-80 miles/hr. Did not baby it. Also, this was not a range test like you do. THe miles driven + GOM remaining calculated to 250 miles.
The new EPA on the Taycan is around 230 miles and the highway EPA 270 miles. Porsche decided not to do the full range EPA test so they were 30% capped and Porsche voluntarily deducted more.
Tom, another close one! For consumption metric: One does not get in his car to spend some electricity, you get in to go places (i.e. drive some distance). Therefore mile/kWh is the proper metric for this application. Cheers!
Thank you, Tom!
Thanks Tom, these comparisons are great! To recap the Polestar 2 most likely has a little shorter range than the Tesla Model 3 SR+ but costs $20k more than the SR+ and even costs over $10k more than the much longer range Model 3 LR and also considerably more than the Tesla Model Y LR. Hmm...
About 10K of that extra price is due to tariffs because the Polestar is made in China. As a Model 3 owner, the value proposition is obvious, but the Polestar 2 is much nicer, IMO in terms of premium interior and feel.
I would never buy a car made in China and fund their government. Let’s raise that tariff to $20K so they don’t sell here.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I think Sandy Munro said after their long trip that the Model 3 seats were the most comfortable he's ever used. As far as plush interior I wouldn't care but that's just me. Durability would be important.
@@StormyDog Seating comfort is definitely subjective. I think my Model 3 seats are definitely very comfortable, but they aren't nearly as supportive as the Polestars, IMO.
@@johnpoldo8817
How's the iPhone?
This is really handy for me, I'm looking forward to road tripping mine when it arrives soon :D I used to have a Tesla Model S P85, very similar real-world range, and it was a pretty solid road trip car. This time I get ventilated seats though, which is gonna be especially great for the humid states!
Also I'm pretty impressed with its range estimation accuracy! That's not something Tesla had nailed down during my time with it
Good work as usual Tom 👍agree on the need for standard consumption term, things even more confusing when you get Whr per 100 kilometer 🤯 Also battery state in kWhr rather than percent would be useful.
Miles per kWhr is by far the most useful metric.
Thanks Tom. Rock solid review as always. I like the consistency and standards. Keep it up 👍
I'm an Elon Stan and proud Tesla owner. Because Tesla, as an American manufacturer leading the WORLD when it comes to EV but getting little acknowledgement and lots of hate, is doing the most and delivering the best, panel gaps and all.
That being said. I am all for facts and fairness and that is why I love your reviews. The Polestar2 is good enough if the charging infra and integration works for it's buyers.
Thanks for the info, been deciding between the Mach-E AWD SR and the Polestar 2 AWD.
This range test was before the 2022 Polestar range update, hopefully a little better now, It tied the Mach-E AWD SR but this did have 20" wheels compared to the 19" on the Mach E
Probably 15 or so miles range difference? I think Mach-E has 70 KWH available and the Polestar 75. I would think all things the same the Polestar probably another 15 or so miles of range than the
base Mach-E AWD. 2 Really nice cars. Ended up canceling the Mach E, the Polestar was much more fun to drive, the Mustang is a larger better cruiser though.
10:55 Google knows that the road you are on is a highway and that you will stay on the highway for the set destination.
The estimated range in the dashboard is as I understand with "mixed driving" and not only highway.
Great local commuter ride
Not bad at all. Given that on a single charge you can get roughly 220 mile or so on a single charge this still falls short of what a Tesla long range can do also given the fact that the price point between the two are extremely close.
That being said this is yet another alternative to Tesla and one people should keep on their short list
Did you have the April 2021 software update in the car? I have noticed a 10 to 13 % increase in efficiency with that update.
I don't know for sure, but since it's a Polestar media loaner, it should be up to date.
Great video, thanks for all your work!
I heard Polestar did a software update earlier this year that changed the reserve (when reaching 0% charge) from previously 44 miles to 12 miles. Is this difference of 32 miles included or excluded in your range test result?
I’d also love for you to incorporate a sense of how much of a perceptible performance drop there is in the cars acceleration as the state of charge gets lower. It’s seems some EV’s are like old flashlights where the light output would get dimmer as the batteries are depleted.
That would be difficult to really gauge. With most EVs, you really don't notice performance drop until you're at a very low state of charge, like under 10%. I know the performance does drop as the SOC lowers, but unless you're drag racing, it's very difficult to notice until you get down to low state of charge,
thats great. hopefully these manufactures can pull tesla to use a more conservative range.
Wishful thinking
A Model 3 can do 290miles on speeds like this one. And with the new battery from Q2 it can even go beyond that. Not sure what you are referring to. The EPA does a pretty good job, but the EPA doesn't go above 65mph and just briefly
Tom-in your line of work, perhaps bring along a portable power station, such as a MAXOAK Bluetti AC200P, to function as an electronic "spare can of gas"? As you would know better than probably anyone else on the planet, an EV will charge only slowly from one of those, only picking up perhaps 4 or 5 miles of range per hour, and add under ten miles total, but that's equivalent to a pretty long walk, and a AAA call can be even slower, and is not an inherently safe operation (doing a meet-up of two vehicles on a busy highway) as compared to having onboard recharge capability. (Or, to get by more cheaply and barbarically, carry a small, modern inverter generator...)
(I'd have a Goal Zero Yeti 3000X in my Model Y, if I had my druthers...)
Thanks for the suggestion. I am working on this. If I were to bring something like that along, it would have to be relatively light, so the extra weight doesn't affect the range much.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You'd perhaps be looking at something in the 50 to 100 pound range to make a difference, probably. (Lithium ion or LIPO4.) In that case, you could ditch something else in the car temporarily?, and/or find a lighter camera person ;-)
Good idea! I see the Jackery Explorer 1500 contains 1.49 kWh and delivers a constant 1.8 kW, weighing in at 33 lbs. it is a bit pricey at $1600 but maybe you can get a donation if you trial it as an EV emergency power solution?
Tom, great range test. What is your “disaster recovery plan”, i e, a way to get a small charge when the car stops? How was comfort with that very wide console? I don’t like hump on rear floor or start/stop button, but binnacle display is nice.
I've never actually run out during range tests, this was the closest I've come. I'm working with SparkCharge now on a solution for future range tests, Until now, AAA was my disaster recovery plan.
If Polstar 2 deals with aerodynamics a littler better like using wheel caps, using retractable door handle, the range will be close to 300 miles
I would THINK that running the A/C in 75 degree weather is basically a wash to not running the A/C in 60 degree weather. Batteries benefit from the warmer temps but take the A/C hit???
That sounds reasonable. It's probably close.
Thanks, Tom! I set my e-Golf to display kWh/100 km so I get an extra significant figure from the car computer. I would prefer kWh/100 miles but VW does not offer that in the car. Glad you made it. I read AAA offered emergency charge service but then cancelled it because EV drivers never used the service. Does AAA NJ now offer this service?
I don't think so. I would have had them tow me to the EA site.
I would like to see OEMs implement display for MPGe for average users to see. This would be helpful for people coming from ICE to EV.
Just rented one of these, found the estimated range meter annoying also. It didn’t sync very well with Andriod Auto.
I suppose that the two different ranges that are displayed are not unlike in a Tesla, where the main screen displays the "EPA range" remaining, whereas the Energy screen displays the actual range projected, based on recent driving characteristics/rate of consumption, and state of charge.
That's not the case. The range estimator is dynamic and changes according to the driving conditions, unlike Tesla's.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney does main screen range take the route into account? I suspect it does. So not exactly like Tesla, but similar.
@@pepstein I'm not sure, but unlike Tesla's main range estimator, it does adapt to current driving conditions.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney having used both Guess-o-Meters and Tesla's EPA rated miles I can confidently say I don't care for either. Route specific consumption is the only even remotely accurate estimate, so that's all I use. Hence I like Tesla, Polestar 2, and any other EV with Android Automotive.
By the way, Tesla does offer a Guess-o-meter on their Energy screen. It even lets you choose how far back to look to determine current driving conditions. I never use these, but they're available for anyone who really wants it.
@@pepstein Yeah, the rang estimator in the energy screen is waaaay more accurate than the one on the main screen. I wish I could set that as the main range estimator on the main screen.
Will you be able to re-test the Polestar 2 with the new software update (I believe 2.2 version) which supposedly improved efficiency?
Tom, did you see the Ford F-150 charge station Pro that enables bi-directional power flow. Please, can you review that ? I do wish a company would offer a 40 amp version of this station.
Yes, I did. I will eventually review it, but I probably won't be able to get on for a long time. Ford still isn't even selling the 48-amp connected home charger yet (sales have been suspended due to an issue), let alone this. I'll get one as soon as they are available, but that won't be until well into 2022.
Tom, if I’m building a new house do you still recommend a 60amp breaker or would you suggest something larger now since the new F-150 I believe uses an 80amp charging system?
@@jerryc3568 if you're building new, then add the extra capacity now, it won't add much cost and you'll be covered no matter what you need in the future. Personally, I'd suggest a 100-amp subpanel feed to your garage.
Tom, will you review the Blink Chargers (level 2)? We are looking at installing two public chargers at our co-op in Longmont (CO) using their IQ 200 product offering.
I did review the IQ 200 but not a video review. The article is on InsideEVs.
I noticed you use EA every time. They are the most comprehensive networks outside of Tesla. They should sponsor your channel, FREE JUICE! How many kWh did you add to Polestar 2 to get back to 100%? Curios as rated pack size vs. how much it can be charged?
So actual range is about 200 miles, my Honda Accord range is 525, I'll keep my Accord. Let me know when your EV hits 400 mile range.
What size is the Polestar 2 battery?
What model is it? DM or SM?
Will appreciate your thoughts on this- NEW: Electric Vehicle Software Rating Ver 1.0; Android Automotive OS & Polestar 2
ruclips.net/video/sxW19Gnw0t0/видео.html .. see software bring the key factor in EVs in the future. Thanks 😊
I have a question about Ford Mach E . First time EV owner. How come I charged it to 100% at home and it said the range will be 245miles , when it said max. was only 230? How much power does the a/c unit use per hour? I have the base model and I think its great!
The range is only an estimate based on your previous driving history. If you drive it easier with slower launches, you're estimated range will go up. I don't have the exact A/C draw. It's significant, but not nearly as bad as the cabin heater is.
What wind app are you using? Thank you.
Windy
Charging guide for this car, please!!
Don't fret, it's coming.
I know it's a heavy car but those psi figures are high
Seen other reviews talking about the new cars having more available battery than advertised to cover any battery degradation in the first year. Maybe extra 2kwh.
But in order for that to be the case, the OEM would have to adjust the software to open up more capacity once the battery begins to degrade. They still need to leave a decent buffer in there or the battery will end up degrading even faster.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Hey Tom, this is a very intriguing comment but I simply dont have the technical knowhow to respond :) If i can dig out the link i’llsend it.
Why buy a car manufactured in the PRC?
Why not ask why do we all buy cell phones made there?
Nice video but you didn't address the elephant in the room, being how much did you miss the Mach-E during this?
The Mach-E is a really good EV, but so is the Polestar 2, they are just different.
That car's acceleration ois so garbage after about 7% that I'd agree with the 225 miles test.
Look at the amount of sun light on Tom's face. I will never go for this car just because it doesn't have a retractable protection.
My Model 3 doesn't have a retractable sun screen either. So I bought a removable one for under $100 and it works perfectly.
I live in Florida ……. Can you imagine the hot inferno 6 months a year.
Pucker time eh
So 322 Wh/Mi @ 70 mph.
Yep. At least in the driving conditions that I encountered. That will vary depending on temperature, terrain, topography.
(200 = NO) (300 = Eeehhh) (400 = I'd Consider) (500. = I'd buy one)
You can already do 400 miles in the city or 50mph driving in a Tesla.
tesla better