Arguably the best demo on how to control a boat with a windward line in a lazy line docking. Curious of the same using Greek style anchor docking, stern first. Because you won't have speed then, and your bow thruster will have little use.
Thanks a lot :) I have never sailed in Greece so can't comment on that. But if it's similar to anchoring with a shore line in a case of cross wind my favorite process is (assuming I have a crew or a guest who can drive a dinghy): 1. attach shore line to the shore from a dinghy 2. stretch the line with the dinghy to the position where you expect your end position of the stern after anchoring 3. drop the anchor and stretch the chain in continues motion till you reach the dinghy 4. attach stern line to to bollard and use it as a leverage if needed to correct your position I hope this is clear enough. Sorry if it's not applicable for the Greek style docking. Anyway we will upload a video with that anchoring technique as well
Good maneuver. The engine throttle controls the position of the bow. During gusts, it needs higher RPMs to stay in place. This yacht has a single rudder. It controls the stern position in this maneuver due to prop wash in forward gear - leeward rudder moves the stern to windward. Since the RPMs can not increase as much as the wind in worse conditions can, it is better to use a higher lever / better turning point, by attaching the stern line a bit more forward (up until a middle cleat). Good for that is to use the stern line in a triangle between the middlecleat, the sterncleat, and the pier. As mentioned in the video, contact between the mooring lines and the propeller is a risk here (prop wash alone can stir the mooring up). To remove this risk as early as possible, short temporary slip lines over the cleats of the windward vessel (if possible) can be fastened before the mooring line is pulled up from the seabed.
Thanks for the advice, someone has mentioned the same prop wash approach already to me so I'm looking forward to next opportunity to try that first :) The middle cleat makes sense, but I've used it only as a leverage point for the side docking, have to try as you've described for the stern docking too.
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Good maneuver, just one pointer for advice. After fixing the windward mooring line to the bollard/cleat on the dock and driving forward, the rudder should be turned to leeward (even if it seems counter intuitive) so the wash from the propeller will help you bring your stern to winward easier.
Is it a dual rudder boat? If so, I imagine the effect of the prop wash to be negligible. I personally prefer to have a marinero in a dinghy on the bow. Well done especially narrating at the same time!!
@@sailinghaldis Thanks. In this charter marinero in dinghy is not regular option (probably could be arranged in strong wind.) And since this is educational video and in general it's rather rare option to have help from the dinghy in Croatia I prefer to demonstrate it without one. It's a single rudder boat.
He is handling the mooring line which ties the bow (Med mooring). So he needs to bring the bow upwind, thus the steering at this stage should be to port (winword)
Very good Video! Your screen setup is perfect with wind angle and speed as well as boat speed. One addition could be the cherry on top if you include position of the rudder. Thanks for the video.
Great præsentation. I would like to see the same manuver without using baw truster and it would be nice if you present your assistants properly at the beginning. I'm looking forward for more videos for instance, docking alone ore with only one crew member and no assistane from the dock side. Good and educative video anyhow
My problem always is, that the marineros on land first give me the mooring while I want to have fixed the rope first. I always have to fight and discuss during the manoever that I have agreed with my crew before in preparation,
This is common problem and lot of marineros are doing that indeed. I'm assuming they are doing it that way because a lot of amateur skippers don't have precise control over there boat so this way might be easier. However you are the responsible one and in charge so be loud and clear about how you need them to assist you. And it helps a lot (specially on catamaran if you are far from the marinero or have limited visibility, that your crew member who is handling the stern lines communicates what you need) And don't forget to tell marinero to attach the stern line to the bollard because some will throw it back right away which takes few critical seconds from you. (in the windy situation of course, in no wind, or stern wind you can do the "slow" option too IMO)
You always want (if possible) to approach stern towards the wind, so approaching from other direction would be wrong (not because there is rule for sake of the rule but it's way way harder to pull of such maneuver when wind is pushing you from the bow) And turning inside marine with 25KT or wind is simply unnecessary risk IMO Otherwise Marina Punat is one of the most specious marinas in Croatia so there is enough room to turn if wind is from other direction.
@SkipperHotline Interesting. I am not sure I could pull off such a reversing maneuver in my boat, even with no wind :), as I have no steerage in reverse below 2.5 to 3 kts. Always have to go bow in.
@@stephenburnage7687 I assume It's a bit older boat you talk about? Usually they have such challenge going reverse. In Croatia 90% of boats are docked with a stern, and all Charters I can think of have that orientation so that's why I'm using most common way of docking to present here. But if you are a private owner you know what works for you and you don't have to follow general approach. Good luck with you sailing adventures :)
@SkipperHotline Yes, an older boat (with a foldibg prop), so very little control in reverse. There was one marina where I had no choice, however, other than to reverse in up a long channel but it took multiple attempts and some speed to accomplish it. I guess I will mostly be anchoring if I get to Croatia!
Thanks. Do you think bow thruster shouldn't be used at all? In general I don't use it, and I teach my student to have it as a backup plan, not as a main maneuvering tool but in such condition I'm happy to use it.
Arguably the best demo on how to control a boat with a windward line in a lazy line docking. Curious of the same using Greek style anchor docking, stern first. Because you won't have speed then, and your bow thruster will have little use.
Thanks a lot :)
I have never sailed in Greece so can't comment on that.
But if it's similar to anchoring with a shore line in a case of cross wind my favorite process is (assuming I have a crew or a guest who can drive a dinghy):
1. attach shore line to the shore from a dinghy
2. stretch the line with the dinghy to the position where you expect your end position of the stern after anchoring
3. drop the anchor and stretch the chain in continues motion till you reach the dinghy
4. attach stern line to to bollard and use it as a leverage if needed to correct your position
I hope this is clear enough. Sorry if it's not applicable for the Greek style docking.
Anyway we will upload a video with that anchoring technique as well
Well done and clearly described.
Many thanks!
Good maneuver.
The engine throttle controls the position of the bow. During gusts, it needs higher RPMs to stay in place.
This yacht has a single rudder. It controls the stern position in this maneuver due to prop wash in forward gear - leeward rudder moves the stern to windward.
Since the RPMs can not increase as much as the wind in worse conditions can, it is better to use a higher lever / better turning point, by attaching the stern line a bit more forward (up until a middle cleat).
Good for that is to use the stern line in a triangle between the middlecleat, the sterncleat, and the pier.
As mentioned in the video, contact between the mooring lines and the propeller is a risk here (prop wash alone can stir the mooring up). To remove this risk as early as possible, short temporary slip lines over the cleats of the windward vessel (if possible) can be fastened before the mooring line is pulled up from the seabed.
Thanks for the advice, someone has mentioned the same prop wash approach already to me so I'm looking forward to next opportunity to try that first :) The middle cleat makes sense, but I've used it only as a leverage point for the side docking, have to try as you've described for the stern docking too.
thanks for the excellent educational video. He helped me with my mooring maneuver
Thanks a lot, I'm happy to hear it was helpful to you! More useful videos are coming up soon :)
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Good maneuver, just one pointer for advice. After fixing the windward mooring line to the bollard/cleat on the dock and driving forward, the rudder should be turned to leeward (even if it seems counter intuitive) so the wash from the propeller will help you bring your stern to winward easier.
Thanks, I have to try that!
Yup, he turned the wheel the wrong way! No wonder he had to engage the bow-thruster.
Is it a dual rudder boat? If so, I imagine the effect of the prop wash to be negligible. I personally prefer to have a marinero in a dinghy on the bow. Well done especially narrating at the same time!!
@@sailinghaldis Thanks. In this charter marinero in dinghy is not regular option (probably could be arranged in strong wind.)
And since this is educational video and in general it's rather rare option to have help from the dinghy in Croatia I prefer to demonstrate it without one.
It's a single rudder boat.
He is handling the mooring line which ties the bow (Med mooring). So he needs to bring the bow upwind, thus the steering at this stage should be to port (winword)
Very good Video! Your screen setup is perfect with wind angle and speed as well as boat speed. One addition could be the cherry on top if you include position of the rudder. Thanks for the video.
Thanks a lot! I was thinking about it, maybe I will try in future videos.
Good video guys, gj
Thanks!
Great præsentation. I would like to see the same manuver without using baw truster and it would be nice if you present your assistants properly at the beginning. I'm looking forward for more videos for instance, docking alone ore with only one crew member and no assistane from the dock side. Good and educative video anyhow
Thanks, we are preparing more videos, some of those are exactly what you've mentioned and much more. Stay tuned :)
My problem always is, that the marineros on land first give me the mooring while I want to have fixed the rope first. I always have to fight and discuss during the manoever that I have agreed with my crew before in preparation,
This is common problem and lot of marineros are doing that indeed. I'm assuming they are doing it that way because a lot of amateur skippers don't have precise control over there boat so this way might be easier.
However you are the responsible one and in charge so be loud and clear about how you need them to assist you.
And it helps a lot (specially on catamaran if you are far from the marinero or have limited visibility, that your crew member who is handling the stern lines communicates what you need) And don't forget to tell marinero to attach the stern line to the bollard because some will throw it back right away which takes few critical seconds from you. (in the windy situation of course, in no wind, or stern wind you can do the "slow" option too IMO)
You have to back all the way in? No room to turn inside the marina?
You always want (if possible) to approach stern towards the wind, so approaching from other direction would be wrong (not because there is rule for sake of the rule but it's way way harder to pull of such maneuver when wind is pushing you from the bow)
And turning inside marine with 25KT or wind is simply unnecessary risk IMO
Otherwise Marina Punat is one of the most specious marinas in Croatia so there is enough room to turn if wind is from other direction.
@SkipperHotline Interesting. I am not sure I could pull off such a reversing maneuver in my boat, even with no wind :), as I have no steerage in reverse below 2.5 to 3 kts. Always have to go bow in.
@@stephenburnage7687 I assume It's a bit older boat you talk about? Usually they have such challenge going reverse. In Croatia 90% of boats are docked with a stern, and all Charters I can think of have that orientation so that's why I'm using most common way of docking to present here. But if you are a private owner you know what works for you and you don't have to follow general approach. Good luck with you sailing adventures :)
@SkipperHotline Yes, an older boat (with a foldibg prop), so very little control in reverse. There was one marina where I had no choice, however, other than to reverse in up a long channel but it took multiple attempts and some speed to accomplish it. I guess I will mostly be anchoring if I get to Croatia!
You used the bow thruster though. Good maneuver anyway.
Thanks. Do you think bow thruster shouldn't be used at all?
In general I don't use it, and I teach my student to have it as a backup plan, not as a main maneuvering tool but in such condition I'm happy to use it.
What boat is this?
Salona 45 from 2003
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