Google needs FF to prove that they don't have monopoly on the market. Besides Safari all other browsers are chromium based. 500mio dollars is not a high price for not having lawsuits, imho.
And guess what lawsuit google just lost regarding them being a monopoly. Yeah, if the US govt has its way that search deal with mozilla is gonna dry up. Quite ironically, an antitrust crackdown on google might be what kills firefox. And i say that with great sadness as a proud firefox user since ~2009
Not all - many are FF based, which IMO is another good reason to keep Mozilla foundation around. But excellent point on the 500m lawfare shutdown fee. Petty cashbox stuff for Alphabet
@@deineroehre jepp - but not only YT went overboard with ads… A silent non-blinking and non-moving ad-banner or two - you're welcome, that is civil. but - attention grabbing full-screen ads i've to remove first‽ no way! and now the ads are so devalued because their inflationary usage, it is a shame…
As a longtime Mozilla fan, sad to see. The CEO compensation seems insane (though that could be deemed true across the corporate world). Thunderbird is still essential for me. I hope FF can maintain its independence from greedy exploiters,
To be honest, it's one of the only relevant browsers out there since it isn't chrome-based. Honestly, we don't want google to dictate web standards and what they should be. It has been a dystopian development these last 15 years. In my humble opinion, the old web (as we knew it) is dead and today it is near impossible to actually search and browse the web for independent web pages. There's so much money, ads, marketing big tech, paid search results etc. getting in the way of what the internet was. The web used to be an exciting place to browse and search, but not now under google's reign.
This is what Google wants you to think. Problem is, most of the funding of Mozilla is done by.. Google. Mozilla recently bought an advertising company and now heavily integrated advertising and selling data into their browser. They're done.
Dont use search engines to find the gems in the internet, should be well known now. I miss the days of usenet news as information exchange. Unfortunately the Unix/Linux guys killed it with there hate against everything new.
FF seems to be slowing down lately. I use it for paying bills and Vivaldi for all my other browsing. There are also a couple browsers based on Qt 5 which are not bad, they just use more CPU when playing videos.
Firefox does have the advantage of being one of the only browsers that isn't based on Chromium. I keep using it so we don't have a monoculture of browsers that would make us vulnerable in the future.
Seriously? What part of defaulting to the Google search engine did you not understand? It doesn't really matter what Firefox uses if they aren't doing the searches.
@@jasonkelley2651 So, I'm not sure what your issue is, with the original commenter... Google paying a Mozilla to be the default search-engine on Firefox makes a certain amount of sense for both parties. FIrefox doesn't have its own native search-engine, the way AOL, Yahoo!, or most of the previously popular browsers had, back in the old days. (Hell, even Internet Explorer had that creaky MSN Search, in the days before Bing.) Besides, any Firefox user can install and set defaults to other search-engines, and not be stuck with Google Search. (I have mine set to DuckDuckGo, for example.) Google obviously wanted to be on Firefox browsers, to maintain its market dominance. And, until relatively recently, its search-engine was the undisputed champion--- even Firefox users wanted access to Google in earlier years, because it really _was_ the best. (Why it sucks now, is a whole other topic, hahaha.) The arrangement might not have been perfect, but it benefitted both parties. Not trying to start an argument, but I'm curious what got you so riled-up about the original comment? Meantime, all the best, my friend.
@@jasonkelley2651 read up on Manifest V2. Bottom line Google is killing it which will make ALL ad blockers on Chromium web browsers MUCH worse. This will also make you more vulnerable to malware & phishing scams that are served in some malicious ads (I work in I.T., I've seen plenty of both from users who didn't use ad blockers).
@@jasonkelley2651 I don't care about the default search engine, I can change that. I just can't change the code base for the browser, that's why I'll start with Firefox.
@@jasonkelley2651 Uh, I use Duck Duck Go in my Firefox browser. They make it ridiculously easy to set the default search engine. I sure as HELL am not using Chrome. That would be stupid.
In the past the difference between CEOs and workers wasn't as large. The difference skyrocketed. They turned into leeches. Those managers with several layers of mangement, looking for more saving solutions, kicked out the last worker that was keeping the company running... They drained all resources on their own unproductivity and they will blame somebody else. Something like water companies in Britain. 40 years ago they got a clean asset, debt free. Like goats turned gardeners they tunnelled the system for overseas pension funds, neglected upgrades of the old victorian pipework, accrued debt and now want to raise water bills by over 50% to keep going? Return the money you stole from the bill payers, crooks!
@@JSiuDev no, but them's describing a behavior observable since latest the 90's and 2000's. A class of manager gets obscene high amounts of money while kicking out the necessary workforce and expertise and ruining the company. And then they're claiming "we can't find fitting stuff"...
@@toraxmalu There are multiple reasons for managers and C-suits getting very high pay. One is companies size and revenue(not equal to profit) balloons like no tomorrow, thus management deserve more return, or else they just work for smaller companies.
@@toraxmaluI know those c-suit get ridiculous compensation package even they are let go (fired), got plenty of those from news. I also know how they cut all the most skillful employee when cutting cost, as I witness that first hand when I was working in a big corp. I am not denying those. But not sure why my previous comment is joke.
I think a bent paperclip can replace CEOs - they collectively are massive drains on a company's financial solvency and it seems like layoffs are the only tool in their toolbag.
@@weho_brian The idea that revenue changes based on the salaries that are paid (as indicated in the original comment) is completely misunderstanding what revenue is.
Google Chrome it such a memory and power suck that I refuse to use it. Apple devices are actually optimized to make Safari the fastest browser on these devices. On my Linux systems Firefox is still my only browser. 'Google' has become synonymous with web search. But it's almost trivial to change your default search engine to something better. Making Google the default will only thwart the most novice users but it will still mostly serve them well. No Google for me, thank you very much.
agree. I dont use anything from google its just spyware.. Except of my android phone but Ive deaktivated/uninstalled all teh google crap. It would be best to have a degoogled phone but I would have to set up to much stuff on my phone.
There is a little misinformation here regarding Mozilla being a non-profit company. The Mozilla Foundation is, indeed, non-profit, but it has a subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation, which is for-profit. In the table showing compensation for the CEO and other members, the CEO actually is paid nothing by the non-profit foundation (column one) and is actually paid by the for-profit Corporation (column two). She is CEO of BOTH arms of Mozilla, but only receives financial compensation from the for-profit branch (so none of her salary is paid by things like donations or grants). This is still quite the unsavory pay disparity, but it's framed as her being paid so much by a "non-profit" when that is actually not the case. I have to wonder why this was blurred out for this video.
I definitely could have worded it better but I’m not saying that her being paid that amount is unlawful. She is getting paid from the for profit division, which is “fine”. It’s just not the best look. Their entire sctick is “Privacy over profit” which doesn’t really align when the ceo is making a lot of cash regardless of where it’s coming from. I also blur things out to focus on the specific figures.
Thanks for spotting that. However I do think that regardless of that distinction the points are still valid. Everyone else in top positions gets paid $320k and she gets paid $7 bar for failing? Things that make you go hmmmmmm...?
"Foundation", "corporation" or whatever they have in any organization's name doesn't really matter, what the government/tax systems views the organization/entity as, that matters. You can have an organization with "church" in its name and the entity could be either for-profit, or non-profit. Mozilla Corporation is a taxable entity, it is NOT a nonprofit and it reinvests its profits back into mozilla projects. Mozilla Foundation is itself a nonprofit organization BUT it owns the for-profit organization called Mozilla Corporation. @@pedromain
Good coverage. Agree with all. Long term Firefox user. I would be happy to be CEO for $250,000, and give the money back to those who do the work to develop and have better lives and Keep them! Dedicated teams with depth of experience can do amazing things.
Assuming Mozilla has a board that Mitchell Baker reports to. Mitchell's pay rise has to be approved by the board. I blame the board for keeping her on.
Mitchell Baker: According to Wikipedia (which has its own set of problems) Baker received these accolades: 1- Listed among the 2005 Top 100 by Time, in the "Scientists & Thinkers". 2- In 2009, Baker received the Anita Borg Institute Women of Vision Award for Leadership. 3- In 2012, Baker was inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame by the Internet Society. She must know where all the bodies are buried. Lastly, the people running Google are deviously smart. By keeping Mozilla/Firefox going, they can always say "Hey look, we're not a monopoly. There's Firefox over there! They don't even use the Open Source Chromium engine like EVERYONE else does."
3:45 "...usually that means the employees would get a nice pay increase ... correct me if I am wrong" well, since you asked, this is almost universally not true. in my experience workers get pay increases when they organise as a bloc. noblesse oblige is long dead, if it was ever even alive.
This has always been the struggle of non-profits. They think their employees should take a pay cut (having worked for non-profits professionally). However, non-profits CAN (and SHOULD) increase their base pay because that goes against their profit, meaning that they don't have to donate as much money at the end of year and instead can keep qualified staff and qualified management (extremely rare) in house without a constant 2-3 year turn over cycle. To think Mozilla (which my company exclusively uses for production environment) is evil for trying to stretch it's money is ridiculous. However, the CEO is clearly not in touch with the company values, given firing 25% was more beneficial in her mind than taking a pay cut. Simple solution, replace the CEO. No one forced her to take the job at the current pay rate. If she doesnt' like it, she can go somewhere else...where she likely isn't able to land a job for a reason.
I agree completely. I will continue using Firefox because there NEEDS to be competition to encourage improvements (referring to Gecko vs Webkit vs Blink). For the sake of that I hope they survive.
Hi Dee, I still don't know why Google pays so much money to the Mozilla Foundation, but I understand now: Antitrust Law. Anyway. Thank you! Have a perfect day.❤
I just looked this up. I remember reading about it. This is like how Big Oil paid Greenpeace and others to fight nuclear, which was the real alternative to fossil fuels. The supposed "anti-LGBTQ" donation issue was blown out of proportion to remove him and social justice warriors with fewer scruples replaced dedicated a tech veteran. Bigger such coups have happened elsewhere in the time since then, especially during the MeToo movement, with similar results. The Left really disintegrates quickly due to infighting with the application of a little money pressure in the right place.
Thanks! I am so focused on anchoring down Linux administration that I haven't payed much attention to any applications these days. I use Firefox, however, now I have a better understanding of why a banking site was indicating I was using an outdated browser.
I use Vivaldi these days, but I do use a portable version of Firefox release and firefox developer for certain things. The reason I changed was simply because firefox extensions have been seriously lacking for a very long time now, and their are many things I can do with Vivaldi based on Chrome because of the extensions that I simply can't do with firefox anymore, which is a major shame because if the extensions were improved I'd change back in an instance.
Long time Firefox user since the very beginning. FF is around since 2002 and I always stuck to it since then. Chrome came out way later (2008). Here in germany the marketshare of FF is actually about 11%. Chrome is currently about 52% here. in 2009 FF had a market share of 57% and Chrome only had 1.5% at that time. IE was still around 33% at that time but on a constant decline. Chrome and FF actually hit break even in august 2015 in germany at about 31% each. That was the point in time when the dark side was rising :)
I work for a VERY LARGE AI company. companies are using AI for 1 thing and 1 thing only, TO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR EMPLOYEES. DO NOT SUPPORT A.I. or you will be in the breadline with everyone else. AI is a fortune 15-20 thing only and their goal is to remove the need for your job.
I'd like to see numbers on how many employees have already been displaced. I've agreed with your thinking ever since I read a story as a kid (I believe by Asimov...my hero) about future society where nobody worked and they were served by AI robots. Even as a youth I wondered how anybody made a living when they'd been replaced by robots lol. It's coming and has already come for too many. Nobody wins except the corporations, which leads us into a lot more sci-fi scenarios. How long until AI replaces YOUR job?
@@MrKentaroMotoPI You are quite wrong. Duck is actually an independent company. It does use Microsoft Bing for a search engine so it has nothing to do with Chrome.
Hey Dee, Just thinking - Supposing Google is the main monetary life line and the previous CEO was receiving beyond significant salary increases, then Google would be suspect influencing the CEO decisions and salary amounts. Google is powerful enough to support Mozilla as another think tank or platform testing ground. The good news about the truth, it will always be known and available. Time is on our side!
Years ago I was a big user of Netscape, the alternative the MSFT's Internet Explorer. Somehow Netcape eventually morphed into Mozilla Firefox. The last straw for me on Mozzila Firefox when all of a sudden just crashed and I had to restarted, in the process, Mozzila Firefox rejected all of the add-ons that I was using, and at that point Mozilla Firefox was just becoming another MSFT IE. After that I switched to Opera, and I have been with them since.
Haha yeah, that was adorable. CEOs get big raises every year, and big severance packages when they (have to) leave - even if they screwed up majorly. And that's despite research showing that beyond a certain point (probably around the half million per year mark), bigger salaries don't lead to more happyness nor to better performance.
The reason for CEOs' ever increasing salary is that it is based on "market value". If a CEO would have they salary cut or even frozen, then that would effect the "market value". People who decide CEOs' salaries are people whose own salary depend on the same "market value", so they would risk lowering or freezing their own salary if they didn't keep pumping up the "market value". It is basically a cartel. Politicians don't do anything about it, because they are part of the cartel thru corruption and/or they are waiting to join the carted directly after their "public service" ends.
AMD 🙂 When their Buldozer micro architecture failed miserably. They took pay cut just to survive until Zen micro architecture would be ready. It paid off 🙂
I'm a FF user forever, and over the last few years every time I see Mozilla coverage somewhere, I'm infuriated again and again. The new infuriating bit in this one was the purchase of "privacy respecting" ad company - what a joke! Good that FF is completely open source, unlike Chrome. I'm heavily relying on the FOSS community to flag when something nasty sneaks into the code. Hope that works out.
We need a common chromium patch team. Firefox has no future, but we can keep patching like Manifest 2 into the chromium source code base. It is a terrible monster. I compiled it multiple times. But it should be possible to maintain patches to the code base if people would stop creating dozens of forks of the same thing.
The thing that mozilla has been constantly getting wrong for years now: Features and functionality for power-users has been consistently ignored, citing low usage in telemetry. The fact that they only make decisions based on telemetry is a problem, because the first thing many power-users do it turn of telemetry. Many of these features doesn't really work. An example is using multiple profiles on Linux (probably same on other OSes too). Having multiple profiles open, then clicking a link in some other program, will open that link in a random firefox profile, even if one tries to specify which profile to use. Having such issues open after so many years, means that they loose power-users. That, in turn, tend to mean that the browser on their families computer is changed too, since helping over the phone is much easier when they have the same browser. In essence, for each power-user lost, they will probably loose an additional 2-5 users easy. And counting installs, with work computers etc, would skew the numbers even further. When they, on top of this, go about integrating stuff that is not really needed nor wanted, like AI, instead of fixing these features (which should be quite minor tasks compared to implementing AI), then users will migrate. Faith has been lost, users are jumping ship, mozilla ends. I think it is sad, but the fact is that they lost sight of their primary product and user base at the same time.
Still the only browser that manely works. It really depends on what the employees are doing. In open source companies like that, they're sometimes free to do whatever they want as long as it's loosely related.
I think part of the reason why Google pays Mozilla is because Google actually doesn't want Firefox to fail. If Google stopped supporting Mozilla, Firefox would eventually go away and most of those people would go to Google. Apple and Microsoft certainly aren't going anywhere so having Firefox there will be that much better to avoid anti-trust problems.
As I understand it Firefox clones are heavily reliant on the mothership Mozilla Firefox ... So if the Mothership goes down, all development of the engine will fall on really small fragmentet developers who I can't see being able to lift that task. It's like the situation with Linux Mint experimenting with moving their base from Ubuntu to pure Debian, in order for Linux Mint not being reliant solely on Ubuntu. Forks like these should really be called branches because they are so reliant on the tree for sustaining them.
Firefox went from Hero to me, then become indifferent, now i truly hate it. I will open a bottle of champagne when this horrible company disappears a company should only concentrate on making good products. never politics. remain neutral I even dislike when companies spend the money on advertising through sports, etc... if you advertise, show your product only, explain why it's the best, and that's it. may the best win
CEOs see that Firefox browser is falling behind and cannot be saved from vanishing into insignificance, so they try to save the company by investing into other products, other markets and securing salary for themselves.
I used FF for many many years and will still use it. It's a good and fast browser. Google is advertising Chrome features that FF also has had for many years now, like it wants to suggest that other browsers don't have those features, idk. I do not see why I should use any other browser.
When companies do well its primarily the shareholders, investors and senior management that get rewarded. 'Sometimes' the staff get bonuses but in many companies that is not the case.
I hope Ladybird can shake the browser market. I'm sure the firsts to jump to Ladybird are in the Firefox audience. I don't mean that I hope FF would die because of it, but that it would force it to become what it was again.
Just a question from a dummie: I use Firefox but have disabled Google etc as search engines. I use Quant, a French search engine that claims not to track its users. Am I safe with that setup?
If she was unhappy with her pay, then she should have found a different place to work! I'm pushing my work to step up and offer me what I'm worth, but I don't expect that to be successfull. Therefor I'm shopping for new employment.
The brower world is a mess right now. It does Not matter which one you use with Windows, They all get corrupted... Firefox with Linux - that's a winner.
I’ve been following them for decades. Their problem is being too idealistic. At the end of the day, you have a fiscal responsibility to those you serve. They just never learned to make money.
I used Firefox between 2002 and 20010 but today I use chromium base browser because the performance is good than Firefox; the only issue about chromium base browser is privacy and it is difficult to choose other browser today because almost of them is chromium. I tried Firefox last year but I did not see many changes. I believe Firefox is getting worst.
To be fair, AI is fast becoming standard browser feature now, Firefox is playing catch-up here to Edge, Brave and Arc. The feature currently only in FF nightly has a few LLM options too including HuggingFace. As frustrating as Mozilla has been these last few years, they do at least seem to be shifting focus back in the right direction.
@@craiganderson5556 it’s more of a ‘summarise this page’ sort of feature than a search engine add-on. It can read a lengthy article/blog/whatever and answer questions about it. At least in principle anyway. The current implementation in FF nightly needs more work though. Edge ‘s copilot and Brave’s Leo are better executed.
The board needs to decide if Mozilla really needs a highly paid CEO. It seems to me that the important ideas in a browser company are likely to come from the tech people, and any of the $300K VPs could run the company.
I love Mozilla for their extensions. I plan to use Mozilla for a very long time. The only downside for me is that Firefox is slower than other browsers.
Are the Firefox extensions in the Quantum era any better than Chromium extensions? I've not used Firefox for a long time but I was aware that the Quantum-era extensions were less powerful than the classic ones, at least initially.
@@kevinmcfarlane2752 I like to download RUclips Videos for instance and as chrome and youtube are google products i naturally tend to use a browser that is not made by google. There are just more available in firefox. Some of the chrome extensions got removed because they are against the corporate interests of google. And then there are a few really nice complex sidebar extrensions i really like. Maybe chrome has the same but i like using a browser whos team uses the devise "The things we create prioritize people and their privacy over profits" (At least in the past it was that way) ;)
I'd actually be happy with her getting paid more money if she actually delivered results. And another point is that CEOs in other companies that are for profit, get paid 50% or so in shares. Since mozilla is not trsded, their CEOs get paid 100% in Cash
I stopped using Firefox and started using Vivaldi. I was loyal to Mozilla for a looong time. I mean, I was sad when Seamonkey left us, crossed my fingers and hoped that Firefox would stay strong lol! They never worked on updating Thunderbird, and finally just are surviving because of Google like a parasite. I got tired of them not performing well and not taking care of what people thought was important, considering most people used Thunderbird and Firefox. It's still a strong second best after Vivaldi in my opinion. Cant stand edge or chrome...
It's not impossible to be paid only for setting the default browser. Nothing show a sell in days privacy. Ofc it would be better without it, but people don't want to pay for their privacy
@@dav1dw Yep, been using it for over 2 years. All the native FF addons works perfectly because it's a fork. The privacy hardening is solid. It really is a better Firefox.
The issue is not how much money they waste but that the crappify the firefox GUI more and more. Its terrible, firefox needs a classic UI with a status bar multi row tabs and so on.
I have stopped receiving ad's since 1998. I have gladly spent thousands of personal hours to make sure they can't advertise anything to me. We exist and I only use firefox... okay im done. lol
yes default but you can change it. I am ok with google over a few others. I thought Google Chrome started based off of Firefox and then pushed out chrome crowding out Firefox.
Currently writing an LLM integrated browser. Wouldn't use a third party implementation that I haven't fully audited, so their browsers code base would have to be small and well-written for me to even bother reading it. This bot is named Bowser because it's a fat
Not to worry. I think there is about to be a boom in Linux users due to AI abuse in Windows and iOS. With Linux comes more Firefox and Thunderbird/Betterbird use..
Google needs FF to prove that they don't have monopoly on the market. Besides Safari all other browsers are chromium based. 500mio dollars is not a high price for not having lawsuits, imho.
And guess what lawsuit google just lost regarding them being a monopoly.
Yeah, if the US govt has its way that search deal with mozilla is gonna dry up. Quite ironically, an antitrust crackdown on google might be what kills firefox.
And i say that with great sadness as a proud firefox user since ~2009
And many firefox users will be seeing their ads anyway.. so still some roi to be had
@@frydacMost firefox users have uBlock Origin installed. What ads are they gonna really see?
Didn't google just get recognized as a monopoly by a judge in the USA at the start of August 2024? It will be interesting to follow how things develop
Not all - many are FF based, which IMO is another good reason to keep Mozilla foundation around. But excellent point on the 500m lawfare shutdown fee. Petty cashbox stuff for Alphabet
Watching this on Firefox.
Honestly though - I'd use Brave if I didn't have some issues with it on my PC (related to Linux Wayland display protocol...)
Me too
Same here
with ublock origin. ;-) (I have nothing against ads, but youtube went WAY overboard with ads, so a blocker is normal self-defense measure...)
@@deineroehre jepp - but not only YT went overboard with ads… A silent non-blinking and non-moving ad-banner or two - you're welcome, that is civil. but - attention grabbing full-screen ads i've to remove first‽ no way! and now the ads are so devalued because their inflationary usage, it is a shame…
As a longtime Mozilla fan, sad to see. The CEO compensation seems insane (though that could be deemed true across the corporate world). Thunderbird is still essential for me. I hope FF can maintain its independence from greedy exploiters,
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To be honest, it's one of the only relevant browsers out there since it isn't chrome-based. Honestly, we don't want google to dictate web standards and what they should be. It has been a dystopian development these last 15 years. In my humble opinion, the old web (as we knew it) is dead and today it is near impossible to actually search and browse the web for independent web pages. There's so much money, ads, marketing big tech, paid search results etc. getting in the way of what the internet was. The web used to be an exciting place to browse and search, but not now under google's reign.
You're right.
This is what Google wants you to think. Problem is, most of the funding of Mozilla is done by.. Google. Mozilla recently bought an advertising company and now heavily integrated advertising and selling data into their browser. They're done.
Dont use search engines to find the gems in the internet, should be well known now.
I miss the days of usenet news as information exchange. Unfortunately the Unix/Linux guys killed it with there hate against everything new.
Isn’t safari relevant and not chromium based?
I totally love Firefox and Thunderbird. I am using them right now.
As am I. As I will continue.
FF seems to be slowing down lately. I use it for paying bills and Vivaldi for all my other browsing. There are also a couple browsers based on Qt 5 which are not bad, they just use more CPU when playing videos.
Firefox does have the advantage of being one of the only browsers that isn't based on Chromium. I keep using it so we don't have a monoculture of browsers that would make us vulnerable in the future.
Seriously? What part of defaulting to the Google search engine did you not understand? It doesn't really matter what Firefox uses if they aren't doing the searches.
@@jasonkelley2651 So, I'm not sure what your issue is, with the original commenter... Google paying a Mozilla to be the default search-engine on Firefox makes a certain amount of sense for both parties. FIrefox doesn't have its own native search-engine, the way AOL, Yahoo!, or most of the previously popular browsers had, back in the old days. (Hell, even Internet Explorer had that creaky MSN Search, in the days before Bing.) Besides, any Firefox user can install and set defaults to other search-engines, and not be stuck with Google Search. (I have mine set to DuckDuckGo, for example.)
Google obviously wanted to be on Firefox browsers, to maintain its market dominance. And, until relatively recently, its search-engine was the undisputed champion--- even Firefox users wanted access to Google in earlier years, because it really _was_ the best. (Why it sucks now, is a whole other topic, hahaha.) The arrangement might not have been perfect, but it benefitted both parties.
Not trying to start an argument, but I'm curious what got you so riled-up about the original comment? Meantime, all the best, my friend.
@@jasonkelley2651 read up on Manifest V2. Bottom line Google is killing it which will make ALL ad blockers on Chromium web browsers MUCH worse. This will also make you more vulnerable to malware & phishing scams that are served in some malicious ads (I work in I.T., I've seen plenty of both from users who didn't use ad blockers).
@@jasonkelley2651 I don't care about the default search engine, I can change that. I just can't change the code base for the browser, that's why I'll start with Firefox.
@@jasonkelley2651 Uh, I use Duck Duck Go in my Firefox browser. They make it ridiculously easy to set the default search engine. I sure as HELL am not using Chrome. That would be stupid.
In the past the difference between CEOs and workers wasn't as large. The difference skyrocketed. They turned into leeches. Those managers with several layers of mangement, looking for more saving solutions, kicked out the last worker that was keeping the company running... They drained all resources on their own unproductivity and they will blame somebody else. Something like water companies in Britain. 40 years ago they got a clean asset, debt free. Like goats turned gardeners they tunnelled the system for overseas pension funds, neglected upgrades of the old victorian pipework, accrued debt and now want to raise water bills by over 50% to keep going? Return the money you stole from the bill payers, crooks!
May I know how much past is your past? 🤦♂
@@JSiuDev no, but them's describing a behavior observable since latest the 90's and 2000's. A class of manager gets obscene high amounts of money while kicking out the necessary workforce and expertise and ruining the company. And then they're claiming "we can't find fitting stuff"...
@@toraxmalu There are multiple reasons for managers and C-suits getting very high pay. One is companies size and revenue(not equal to profit) balloons like no tomorrow, thus management deserve more return, or else they just work for smaller companies.
@@JSiuDev you can tell me the next joke… and yes, i am european and no, i am not left… - would base myself in the more conservative corner…
@@toraxmaluI know those c-suit get ridiculous compensation package even they are let go (fired), got plenty of those from news. I also know how they cut all the most skillful employee when cutting cost, as I witness that first hand when I was working in a big corp. I am not denying those. But not sure why my previous comment is joke.
You see this often. This should be text book microeconomics: when CEOs start cashing, it'because they're "looting the town before it burns"
you mean before THEY burn the town themselves. FIFY.
I can't wait until they figure out that AI can replace CEOs.
Honestly, with CEOs success rates in directing companies to net positive strategies nowadays in tech, a coin flip could replace CEOs decision making.
I think a bent paperclip can replace CEOs - they collectively are massive drains on a company's financial solvency and it seems like layoffs are the only tool in their toolbag.
They probably already can.
The shrinking revenue is going to her salary increases!
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's logically just pure nonsense.
How does a non-profit work? Give all the money to CEO so there's no profit?
@@Meton2526 how does it make no sense? Have you heard of companies like Intel, Shrinking revenues and they INCREASE their share-based compensation
@@weho_brian The idea that revenue changes based on the salaries that are paid (as indicated in the original comment) is completely misunderstanding what revenue is.
@@dav1dw The non-profit is just a facade behind a pure commercial (which is doing all the failed mozilla projects).
The reason this happened is the Mozilla board is operating in fear, the worst way to conduct important business/board decisions.
Google Chrome it such a memory and power suck that I refuse to use it.
Apple devices are actually optimized to make Safari the fastest browser on these devices.
On my Linux systems Firefox is still my only browser.
'Google' has become synonymous with web search. But it's almost trivial to change your default search engine to something better. Making Google the default will only thwart the most novice users but it will still mostly serve them well.
No Google for me, thank you very much.
agree. I dont use anything from google its just spyware.. Except of my android phone but Ive deaktivated/uninstalled all teh google crap. It would be best to have a degoogled phone but I would have to set up to much stuff on my phone.
There is a little misinformation here regarding Mozilla being a non-profit company. The Mozilla Foundation is, indeed, non-profit, but it has a subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation, which is for-profit. In the table showing compensation for the CEO and other members, the CEO actually is paid nothing by the non-profit foundation (column one) and is actually paid by the for-profit Corporation (column two). She is CEO of BOTH arms of Mozilla, but only receives financial compensation from the for-profit branch (so none of her salary is paid by things like donations or grants). This is still quite the unsavory pay disparity, but it's framed as her being paid so much by a "non-profit" when that is actually not the case. I have to wonder why this was blurred out for this video.
I definitely could have worded it better but I’m not saying that her being paid that amount is unlawful. She is getting paid from the for profit division, which is “fine”. It’s just not the best look. Their entire sctick is “Privacy over profit” which doesn’t really align when the ceo is making a lot of cash regardless of where it’s coming from. I also blur things out to focus on the specific figures.
Thanks for spotting that. However I do think that regardless of that distinction the points are still valid. Everyone else in top positions gets paid $320k and she gets paid $7 bar for failing? Things that make you go hmmmmmm...?
The for profit owns a non-profit? I sense conflicts of interest everywhere.
"Foundation", "corporation" or whatever they have in any organization's name doesn't really matter, what the government/tax systems views the organization/entity as, that matters. You can have an organization with "church" in its name and the entity could be either for-profit, or non-profit.
Mozilla Corporation is a taxable entity, it is NOT a nonprofit and it reinvests its profits back into mozilla projects. Mozilla Foundation is itself a nonprofit organization BUT it owns the for-profit organization called Mozilla Corporation. @@pedromain
@@NobleValerianOpen AI (Chat GPT) is also a for-profit component of a larger non-profit.
Good coverage. Agree with all. Long term Firefox user. I would be happy to be CEO for $250,000, and give the money back to those who do the work to develop and have better lives and Keep them! Dedicated teams with depth of experience can do amazing things.
Assuming Mozilla has a board that Mitchell Baker reports to. Mitchell's pay rise has to be approved by the board. I blame the board for keeping her on.
Mitchell Baker: According to Wikipedia (which has its own set of problems) Baker received these accolades: 1- Listed among the 2005 Top 100 by Time, in the "Scientists & Thinkers". 2- In 2009, Baker received the Anita Borg Institute Women of Vision Award for Leadership. 3- In 2012, Baker was inducted into the Internet Hall of Fame by the Internet Society.
She must know where all the bodies are buried.
Lastly, the people running Google are deviously smart. By keeping Mozilla/Firefox going, they can always say "Hey look, we're not a monopoly. There's Firefox over there! They don't even use the Open Source Chromium engine like EVERYONE else does."
3:45 "...usually that means the employees would get a nice pay increase ... correct me if I am wrong" well, since you asked, this is almost universally not true. in my experience workers get pay increases when they organise as a bloc. noblesse oblige is long dead, if it was ever even alive.
Thank you for reporting this. I had no idea. How disheartening!
Great video by the way!
She was willing to take higher salaries in order to achieve the company's goal to have no profit. It was a sacrifice.
😂
That's the same with managers of Swiss banks: banks are collapsing (like Credit Suisse), but CEO & Co earn over 10 million CHF (more in USD) by year.
This has always been the struggle of non-profits. They think their employees should take a pay cut (having worked for non-profits professionally). However, non-profits CAN (and SHOULD) increase their base pay because that goes against their profit, meaning that they don't have to donate as much money at the end of year and instead can keep qualified staff and qualified management (extremely rare) in house without a constant 2-3 year turn over cycle.
To think Mozilla (which my company exclusively uses for production environment) is evil for trying to stretch it's money is ridiculous. However, the CEO is clearly not in touch with the company values, given firing 25% was more beneficial in her mind than taking a pay cut. Simple solution, replace the CEO. No one forced her to take the job at the current pay rate. If she doesnt' like it, she can go somewhere else...where she likely isn't able to land a job for a reason.
I agree completely. I will continue using Firefox because there NEEDS to be competition to encourage improvements (referring to Gecko vs Webkit vs Blink). For the sake of that I hope they survive.
The CEO did her work as he was instruced by her friends in the other browser company.
The problem with "the underdog you want to see win" is, when they finally "win", they get greedy, just look at AMD and their processers now😉
Hi Dee, I still don't know why Google pays so much money to the Mozilla Foundation, but I understand now: Antitrust Law. Anyway. Thank you! Have a perfect day.❤
The question is what is going on with the board of directors? We need some investigative reporting.
Great show and fair assessment, thanks. Zen browser seems to be the future of Firefox.
They do good job, but they work only on UI, not core components of the browser.
If a soldier misbehaves, talk to the lieutenant. If a CEO misbehaves, talk to the board.
I always skip the AI search results because I like accuracy.
Mozilla made a terrible mistake when they fired Brendan Eich. Their product quality has been in steady decline since.
I just looked this up. I remember reading about it. This is like how Big Oil paid Greenpeace and others to fight nuclear, which was the real alternative to fossil fuels. The supposed "anti-LGBTQ" donation issue was blown out of proportion to remove him and social justice warriors with fewer scruples replaced dedicated a tech veteran. Bigger such coups have happened elsewhere in the time since then, especially during the MeToo movement, with similar results. The Left really disintegrates quickly due to infighting with the application of a little money pressure in the right place.
Another example of "Go woke go broke"
Thanks! I am so focused on anchoring down Linux administration that I haven't payed much attention to any applications these days. I use Firefox, however, now I have a better understanding of why a banking site was indicating I was using an outdated browser.
I use Vivaldi these days, but I do use a portable version of Firefox release and firefox developer for certain things.
The reason I changed was simply because firefox extensions have been seriously lacking for a very long time now, and their are many things I can do with Vivaldi based on Chrome because of the extensions that I simply can't do with firefox anymore, which is a major shame because if the extensions were improved I'd change back in an instance.
I use Firefox, having used Vivaldi for years, and the only thing I really wish Mozilla would add is casting ability.
I love firefox but am scared the end is near
Watching this from Linux + Firefox
As soon as they started promoting censorship, I uninstalled Firefox and never used it again.
Long time Firefox user since the very beginning. FF is around since 2002 and I always stuck to it since then. Chrome came out way later (2008). Here in germany the marketshare of FF is actually about 11%. Chrome is currently about 52% here.
in 2009 FF had a market share of 57% and Chrome only had 1.5% at that time. IE was still around 33% at that time but on a constant decline. Chrome and FF actually hit break even in august 2015 in germany at about 31% each. That was the point in time when the dark side was rising :)
I work for a VERY LARGE AI company. companies are using AI for 1 thing and 1 thing only, TO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR EMPLOYEES. DO NOT SUPPORT A.I. or you will be in the breadline with everyone else. AI is a fortune 15-20 thing only and their goal is to remove the need for your job.
I'd like to see numbers on how many employees have already been displaced. I've agreed with your thinking ever since I read a story as a kid (I believe by Asimov...my hero) about future society where nobody worked and they were served by AI robots. Even as a youth I wondered how anybody made a living when they'd been replaced by robots lol. It's coming and has already come for too many. Nobody wins except the corporations, which leads us into a lot more sci-fi scenarios.
How long until AI replaces YOUR job?
Still cant believe Google duped that many people into using their browser
I was a Firefox fan but switched to Duck Duck Go last year (2023). I am pleased with the change.
Duck is just Chrome with a duck face.
@@MrKentaroMotoPI Then there is no hope for the human race.
@@MrKentaroMotoPI Duck is built on WebKit, not Chrome.
@@blessdarah1256 Actually, it is WebKit only on IOS and Mac. On Windows and Android, the browser engine is Blink.
@@MrKentaroMotoPI You are quite wrong. Duck is actually an independent company. It does use Microsoft Bing for a search engine so it has nothing to do with Chrome.
Hey Dee, Just thinking - Supposing Google is the main monetary life line and the previous CEO was receiving beyond significant salary increases, then Google would be suspect influencing the CEO decisions and salary amounts. Google is powerful enough to support Mozilla as another think tank or platform testing ground. The good news about the truth, it will always be known and available. Time is on our side!
Years ago I was a big user of Netscape, the alternative the MSFT's Internet Explorer. Somehow Netcape eventually morphed into Mozilla Firefox. The last straw for me on Mozzila Firefox when all of a sudden just crashed and I had to restarted, in the process, Mozzila Firefox rejected all of the add-ons that I was using, and at that point Mozilla Firefox was just becoming another MSFT IE. After that I switched to Opera, and I have been with them since.
CEO of a big company taking paycut or reduced salary? 😂
Since when and where?
Nothing specific to Mozilla.
Haha yeah, that was adorable. CEOs get big raises every year, and big severance packages when they (have to) leave - even if they screwed up majorly.
And that's despite research showing that beyond a certain point (probably around the half million per year mark), bigger salaries don't lead to more happyness nor to better performance.
The reason for CEOs' ever increasing salary is that it is based on "market value". If a CEO would have they salary cut or even frozen, then that would effect the "market value". People who decide CEOs' salaries are people whose own salary depend on the same "market value", so they would risk lowering or freezing their own salary if they didn't keep pumping up the "market value". It is basically a cartel. Politicians don't do anything about it, because they are part of the cartel thru corruption and/or they are waiting to join the carted directly after their "public service" ends.
AMD 🙂 When their Buldozer micro architecture failed miserably. They took pay cut just to survive until Zen micro architecture would be ready. It paid off 🙂
Didn't Laura Chambers replace Mitchell Baker as CEO of Mozilla Corporation, back in February of 2024?
I'm a FF user forever, and over the last few years every time I see Mozilla coverage somewhere, I'm infuriated again and again. The new infuriating bit in this one was the purchase of "privacy respecting" ad company - what a joke! Good that FF is completely open source, unlike Chrome. I'm heavily relying on the FOSS community to flag when something nasty sneaks into the code. Hope that works out.
We need a common chromium patch team. Firefox has no future, but we can keep patching like Manifest 2 into the chromium source code base.
It is a terrible monster. I compiled it multiple times. But it should be possible to maintain patches to the code base if people would stop creating dozens of forks of the same thing.
The thing that mozilla has been constantly getting wrong for years now: Features and functionality for power-users has been consistently ignored, citing low usage in telemetry. The fact that they only make decisions based on telemetry is a problem, because the first thing many power-users do it turn of telemetry. Many of these features doesn't really work. An example is using multiple profiles on Linux (probably same on other OSes too). Having multiple profiles open, then clicking a link in some other program, will open that link in a random firefox profile, even if one tries to specify which profile to use. Having such issues open after so many years, means that they loose power-users. That, in turn, tend to mean that the browser on their families computer is changed too, since helping over the phone is much easier when they have the same browser. In essence, for each power-user lost, they will probably loose an additional 2-5 users easy. And counting installs, with work computers etc, would skew the numbers even further.
When they, on top of this, go about integrating stuff that is not really needed nor wanted, like AI, instead of fixing these features (which should be quite minor tasks compared to implementing AI), then users will migrate. Faith has been lost, users are jumping ship, mozilla ends. I think it is sad, but the fact is that they lost sight of their primary product and user base at the same time.
It looks like this CEO got her big bucks from laying off people and reducing costs at Firefox.
Zen is a very good fork of Firefox. Loving it. It plays well with my Fedora 40/Hyprland environment.
Still the only browser that manely works. It really depends on what the employees are doing. In open source companies like that, they're sometimes free to do whatever they want as long as it's loosely related.
I think part of the reason why Google pays Mozilla is because Google actually doesn't want Firefox to fail. If Google stopped supporting Mozilla, Firefox would eventually go away and most of those people would go to Google. Apple and Microsoft certainly aren't going anywhere so having Firefox there will be that much better to avoid anti-trust problems.
True open source is brilliant. So with that, just support and help grow forks (like Ice Weasel) without all the financial greed.
But open source programmers still have their bills to pay.
As I understand it Firefox clones are heavily reliant on the mothership Mozilla Firefox ... So if the Mothership goes down, all development of the engine will fall on really small fragmentet developers who I can't see being able to lift that task.
It's like the situation with Linux Mint experimenting with moving their base from Ubuntu to pure Debian, in order for Linux Mint not being reliant solely on Ubuntu.
Forks like these should really be called branches because they are so reliant on the tree for sustaining them.
I still miss Netscape
Seamonkey is still alive but doesn't render some popular websites or web apps properly, e.g. GMail
And Mosaic, and Omniweb
I was in my early comp. sci. year back then. Used it first time on Unix workstation. It had square shape mouse, brilliant ergo.
I don't 😀
@@langsor I Do! I was a hardcore Navigator person. I miss it a lot.
Firefox went from Hero to me, then become indifferent, now i truly hate it.
I will open a bottle of champagne when this horrible company disappears
a company should only concentrate on making good products. never politics. remain neutral
I even dislike when companies spend the money on advertising through sports, etc... if you advertise, show your product only, explain why it's the best, and that's it. may the best win
As Firefox grew so it did as a company meaning someone has to get paid, are you gonna pay them to keep it on?
@@crisstoff89 absolutely not. they went politics over products. i hope none of them hold a job again
I still use Firefox.
CEOs see that Firefox browser is falling behind and cannot be saved from vanishing into insignificance, so they try to save the company by investing into other products, other markets and securing salary for themselves.
But Mozilla brought us Rust. Maybe you could do a video about it? 🌺
and Rust brought us nothing, say three succeful product on him
@@petrm2234 A lot of Linux drivers are already implemented in Rust.
@@petrm2234 Not true.
Firefox still rocking - no changes for me. If you'd think of where the JavaScript started, you'd come back to the Mozilla.
I used FF for many many years and will still use it. It's a good and fast browser. Google is advertising Chrome features that FF also has had for many years now, like it wants to suggest that other browsers don't have those features, idk. I do not see why I should use any other browser.
When companies do well its primarily the shareholders, investors and senior management that get rewarded. 'Sometimes' the staff get bonuses but in many companies that is not the case.
I use Firefox on Android for browser plugins.
Microsoft Edge with Copilot is just perfect!
Remember this: If you're not paying for a product, YOU are the product.
Nothing is really free.
I'm shocked ... can't believe this 😥
I hope Ladybird can shake the browser market.
I'm sure the firsts to jump to Ladybird are in the Firefox audience.
I don't mean that I hope FF would die because of it, but that it would force it to become what it was again.
As, I understand, Microsoft Edge is based on the Firefox Browser?
No, it's based on Chromium.
Just a question from a dummie: I use Firefox but have disabled Google etc as search engines. I use Quant, a French search engine that claims not to track its users. Am I safe with that setup?
If she was unhappy with her pay, then she should have found a different place to work! I'm pushing my work to step up and offer me what I'm worth, but I don't expect that to be successfull. Therefor I'm shopping for new employment.
I still use Firefox and I really hope they continue to improve because I have no plans of switching to any other browser.
INteresting. Thank you.
The brower world is a mess right now. It does
Not matter which one you use with Windows,
They all get corrupted...
Firefox with Linux - that's a winner.
Google is paying Firefox the money that Mozilla makes for Google! It's a cut!
I’ve been following them for decades. Their problem is being too idealistic. At the end of the day, you have a fiscal responsibility to those you serve. They just never learned to make money.
I used Firefox between 2002 and 20010 but today I use chromium base browser because the performance is good than Firefox; the only issue about chromium base browser is privacy and it is difficult to choose other browser today because almost of them is chromium. I tried Firefox last year but I did not see many changes. I believe Firefox is getting worst.
You are spending time on the CEO rather than Mozilla the Company
To be fair, AI is fast becoming standard browser feature now, Firefox is playing catch-up here to Edge, Brave and Arc. The feature currently only in FF nightly has a few LLM options too including HuggingFace.
As frustrating as Mozilla has been these last few years, they do at least seem to be shifting focus back in the right direction.
What does LLM do for a search engine? Are users asking for it? Seems like a solution in search of a problem.
@@craiganderson5556 it’s more of a ‘summarise this page’ sort of feature than a search engine add-on. It can read a lengthy article/blog/whatever and answer questions about it.
At least in principle anyway. The current implementation in FF nightly needs more work though. Edge ‘s copilot and Brave’s Leo are better executed.
@@craiganderson5556 You can literally ask it to find you stuff. Sometimes it can find you stuff that Google does not.
@@craiganderson5556 This ^
The board needs to decide if Mozilla really needs a highly paid CEO. It seems to me that the important ideas in a browser company are likely to come from the tech people, and any of the $300K VPs could run the company.
Great Content ...
I love Mozilla for their extensions. I plan to use Mozilla for a very long time. The only downside for me is that Firefox is slower than other browsers.
Are the Firefox extensions in the Quantum era any better than Chromium extensions? I've not used Firefox for a long time but I was aware that the Quantum-era extensions were less powerful than the classic ones, at least initially.
@@kevinmcfarlane2752 I like to download RUclips Videos for instance and as chrome and youtube are google products i naturally tend to use a browser that is not made by google. There are just more available in firefox. Some of the chrome extensions got removed because they are against the corporate interests of google. And then there are a few really nice complex sidebar extrensions i really like. Maybe chrome has the same but i like using a browser whos team uses the devise "The things we create prioritize people and their privacy over profits" (At least in the past it was that way) ;)
It's sad. I have already moved on.
I'd actually be happy with her getting paid more money if she actually delivered results. And another point is that CEOs in other companies that are for profit, get paid 50% or so in shares. Since mozilla is not trsded, their CEOs get paid 100% in Cash
I stopped using Firefox and started using Vivaldi. I was loyal to Mozilla for a looong time. I mean, I was sad when Seamonkey left us, crossed my fingers and hoped that Firefox would stay strong lol! They never worked on updating Thunderbird, and finally just are surviving because of Google like a parasite. I got tired of them not performing well and not taking care of what people thought was important, considering most people used Thunderbird and Firefox. It's still a strong second best after Vivaldi in my opinion. Cant stand edge or chrome...
I use firefox because of the PiP feature.
It's not impossible to be paid only for setting the default browser. Nothing show a sell in days privacy.
Ofc it would be better without it, but people don't want to pay for their privacy
But Who approved her salary? She didn't make the decision herself did she?
They did failed at some products and innitiatives. Unfortunately now they are not quite significantly influence the tech landscape.
The better Firefox already exists. It's called LibreWolf.
LibreWolf is based on Firefox. No Firefox = No LibreWolf
@@dav1dw Yep, been using it for over 2 years. All the native FF addons works perfectly because it's a fork. The privacy hardening is solid. It really is a better Firefox.
The issue is not how much money they waste but that the crappify the firefox GUI more and more.
Its terrible, firefox needs a classic UI with a status bar multi row tabs and so on.
I have stopped receiving ad's since 1998. I have gladly spent thousands of personal hours to make sure they can't advertise anything to me. We exist and I only use firefox... okay im done. lol
Hey my love, is building a API similar to what your doing…
yes default but you can change it. I am ok with google over a few others. I thought Google Chrome started based off of Firefox and then pushed out chrome crowding out Firefox.
Currently writing an LLM integrated browser. Wouldn't use a third party implementation that I haven't fully audited, so their browsers code base would have to be small and well-written for me to even bother reading it. This bot is named Bowser because it's a fat
Its working as intended, the woke can be counted on to sink potential competition.
Seeing their pocket news aggregator ... you know the "... go broke" saying.
Mozilla = Ford = Boeing ---no respect, total LOSERS
What on earth is Mozilla even doing with all this money?
This is saddening.
The only reason im not using mozilla is because it doesnt work well with my tablet pen hardware. The scrolling is really bad
Can any other browser on android run ubo?
Never felt like I needed this browser even when it was doing well.
how much google paid you? I'm interested
Not to worry. I think there is about to be a boom in Linux users due to AI abuse in Windows and iOS. With Linux comes more Firefox and Thunderbird/Betterbird use..
Opera attracted a lot of people by adding a VPN button.