100% agree. I’ve never seen such gracious responses. A lesson to Saffa’s and Scots!! It’s a game! England sneaked it but Ireland would beat us 7/10 times.
There may not be fondness, but always notice the respect from the Irish even at our worst. Goes both ways from us England fans, I enjoy seeing Ireland do well
The sledging in all of these youtube videos "best team in the world" is quite comical in fairness. Just to note though, that literally no Irish person said that we were the best in the world. It was English and Welsh writers.
@@king_clueless Well said (written!). Was so glad I watched it before the game, as I could really see what the backs were trying to do in defence. It even helped spot why Ireland were able to create their second try.
England were incredible but now it's about backing it up. Standout performers were Martin, Earl, Mitchell and Feyi-Waboso. Really like Furbank as well his intent to attack and his hard work to get into playmaking positions was great. Feyi-Waboso is extremely robust, his defence stood out as much as his attack, he nails people way bigger than him. Martin is just a monster around the park. Can't wait to see this attack blossom with Mitchell at 9 and Smith at 10.
Goodey mate, irish haven't been saying we're the best in the world. Find it funny that this narrative has caught on. Sam Warburton said it and Steve Borthwick said it. So did Big Jim the other week. It's the English Scottish and Welsh contingent that are blowing smoke up our ass. Clearly SA are the best team and showed at the world cup. But this is still a top class irish team and we're not far off top
Like your brain and knowledge of rugby...is Walsh who are worse than Italy they just provock springbok bc their grand father gatland is jealous of sa winning. New Zealanders thing they are the best bc they play free flowing Rugby and isn't like we don't know not good at, look at bulls and stormers plays free flowing just at the moment our play nationally works for us. Here we are back to back world champion you can't do nothing about that record.
Very fair comment. On their day, there's possibly 3 teams that could lay claim to the unofficial title, but it's putting it together over a couple of seasons that really decides it.
The best team thing is nonsense. What is true is that Ireland is a top team. Their biggest weakness is no plan b. The Irish pack is formidable and under utilized in attack. Power game is missing. England has the tallent to be in the top tier. The WC semifinal and this game showed the potential. A great game to watch.
Feyi waboso is like the reincarnation of Jason Robinson on steroids. He always beats the first defender and he can absolutely smash you in the tackle. He’s a fucking beast.
Agreed its shout out to the Irish fans who were very gracious. Without JGP having to move to the wing, it could have been a different result. If England can back-up with a perfomance and possibly a win against France, then it will be ... and then there were four - South Africa, Ireland, NZ and England ... and really when M. Dupont is finished with 7s, there will be 5, as France will get better from this period having played their 21-year olds who are learning that there's nothing like test rugby. What an exciting time to be a rugby fan.
Let’s not get carried away. One.solid great performance does not transform a team straight away. They now need to consistently back this up. This weekend coming up is France away. Their forwards are huge and fast. Let’s see
I think this best team in the world tag is being used as a stick to beat the team with. Seemed to be more pundits outside Ireland that were calling them that. England were charged up on the day and were deserved winners, but let’s see if they can play that way consistently.
Did Heaslop say " Best in the World" ? No. Thats my only point. NO Irish pundit did...yep Heaslop and Stringer said other things but not that. Oh I'm sorry you felt annoyed that people were saying how good Ireland were...btw it was ONLY Scottish, Welsh, even Bothwick used the phrase Best in the World upteen times before the match. Why wouldnt they say on form how good we were in the 6 nations...we were. FACT. .. Well done to England for finally playing well and getting a surprise win. Now try and be a gracious winner
The last 3 games against Ireland , England have been down to 14 men fairly early and this time we managed to keep 15 men on the field and this is a major reason for the victory . i also feel that Ireland are missing Mac Hanson who causes so much trouble to opposition defences
Big Jim and Goodey are the couple this South African didn't know he needed. Bernard Jackman is excellent. This, Aotearoa Rugby, and Ball Carrier are streets ahead of the other panel pods (honourable mention to the slightly inebriated Aussies during the RWC). Love the Boks Office too - but freely admit they boys probably cater to Saffer tastes and sensibilities a bit 😂
It's a bit arrogant hearing Goodey suggest that it was because "he'd been saying for ages" that the England team play with width, that they suddenly did. They were trying it against Scotland 2 weeks ago, but nothing stayed in hand. England left 7 points on the pitch in what were arguably easy kicks. They simply blew Ireland away and I hate to say it, but Ireland thought it would be a case of going through motions, regardless of what they said in public. Nobody expected England to be that good against that Irish team and after the performance against Scotland - even if it is true that they've always had the potential. What a turnaround.
If this doesn't include Goodey admitting he was completely wrong last week about SB's plan, "trouble" in the camp, what they were building, the steady focus on defence, kick chase and building the attack off the back of those foundations then I won't be surprised lol. Have so much time for Jim, however, for an ex-professional it's amazing how little depth Andy thinks about the game with.
He's one of the most knowledgeable pundits out there full stop, not only Irish players but has an extensive knowledge of the French and Welsh setups and players, Jim is funny at times but he hasn't a rashers
Historically, even the best teams in the world do not win all the time. That's how rugby works. It's a contact sport with 35 moving parts (add officials) If 20 of those moving parts align on one side you have a potential winning side. This has always been the way. Lets see how the rest of the championship pans out and may be how the up coming internationals go, then look at the the situation as a whole.
Two points for Bernard , scrums , both props to keep outside foot infront of inside until ball comes in . Reduce resets , after first reset clock stops . Get rid of choke tackle ensuring smaller quicker backs stay in the game .
Great points. Another thing about “shapes and sizes” I issue. I do think rugby needs to have a think about player size whether it’s through use of subs, quantity of subs or something else. The game as a whole should be aspirational for athletes at all sizes - the phenomenon of “training for thirty/forty minute games” is (overall) a bit worrying. I know people will cite Cheslin, or a few others and power is super critical to an entertaining game but rugby ignores diversity of size at its peril.
one performance that is flying under the radar is how well Chessum played at 6 he looked so much better, and cunningham coming on was laying waste to Ireland in attack before his injury.
Very entertaining fellas. Totally agree that Ben Earl got MotM,he’s a dynamo who refuses take a backward step. We have,dare I say it,real optimism about this England team. Excellent podcast,and it’ll probably be bettered by us thumping France in their back yard. I fancy Ireland to bounce back and beat Scotland comfortably though to retain it. We’re catching up though.
As an Irish man can we please stop this nonsense of saying Ireland are the best team in the world. Have improved massively last 10 years but i can tell you for free 99.99% of Irish fans wouldn't consider us to be the best team in the world.
Ireland should never be better than South Africa anyway. 12 times the population, more popular sport in the context of each country, some players getting through the system in South Africa haven taken extra supplements and not being caught
I don't think the world rankings necessarily say who is best and so forth, but if one is going to make a claim about who is best there must be some sound logic to it and at this time the biggest objective factors and the RWC results and the World rankings (as imperfect as these determinants are).
@@eoinh3816You blame SA’s population figures for being stronger than Ireland that may be true even though NZ has a smaller population than Ireland & SA & play better rugby than both. You accuse our players of using banned “supplements & never get caught, well maybe it’s because the Springboks never use them & if they did they’d get caught. why can’t you just be happy that Ireland is playing awesome Ruby at the moment.
After the Scotland game, Jamie George said we will stick with the new 'England Way' most of us thought WTF, well we now know what they were working towards.
As am Irish I have to congratulate England on that performance. They were class but what interests me is that beside their dominance they actually only won by 2 points in the last minute. I’m not really sure what that say’s about either team….
Absolutely no doubt that England can be up there at the top of the tree again, alongside Ireland as one of the best teams in the world. If they work hard at it they’ll surely get up there.
Got to give it to Goodey, he said if England were going to beat Ireland they needed to go out and play rugby and score near thirty points and give it a proper go. No other pundit said it or thought it could happen. From an Irish man.
There have been a number of comments from Irish contributors about rugby being the no.4 sport in our country. As one of many GAA persons who follows rugby and appreciates this wonderful game, I thought that I should give a little background, that may enlighten those who form opinions, without understanding Ireland’s more recent interest with rugby, and take offence from statements from Irish contributors on various forums. As a young person growing up in Ireland and playing GAA during the 1960's and early 70' we were forbidden from attending or participating in what were considered British sports. Participants received suspension from GAA games for periods of 3 to 6 months for attending games as a spectator. We were never allowed participate The following rule applied Rule 27 of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA), also known as "the Ban", was a rule in force from 1905 to 1971 that banned members of the GAA from playing or watching other sports such as rugby, soccer or hockey. This ban was lifted in 1971, and before this the rule meant that you never discussed or admitted having an interest in these sports. For many years after, the traditionalists would not accept the lifting of this ban, and even today 2024, soccer or rugby games are not allowed to be played in any GAA field, without special permission from authority at the highest level. I expect that this considerablt impacted on the numbers playing the game of rugby, and may be a factor as to why Ireland has won 29 wooden spoons, more than any other nation. However, all of these came during the 5 nations and since Italy joined, both ourselves and England have avoided this dubious honour. Perhaps it also explains why we tend to get a little excited about our relative success in recent years. Hopefully, you find the following facts, enlightening. The GAA is the largest and most popular organisation in Ireland with some 800,000 members out of the island's population of almost 6 million. Gaelic football and Hurling are the main and most popular activities promoted by the organisation. The GAA has over 2,200 clubs in all 32 counties of Ireland Croke Park is one of Europe's largest stadia, with a capacity of 82,300 The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA), Ireland’s largest sporting organisation is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world Football ( Soccer) is the second most popular sport in Ireland and it is also the third most popular spectator sport overall with 16% of total attendances at sports events, behind only Gaelic football (34%) and hurling (23%). (source FAI) There are currently approximately 95,000 rugby players in total in Ireland and 209 clubs ( GAA 2,200 clubs) There are 56 clubs affiliated to the Ulster Branch; 71 to the Leinster Branch; 59 to the Munster Branch and 23 to the Connacht Branch. The Aviva Stadium, (shared between the Football Association of Ireland and the IRFU) is Ireland’s second largest stadium, in the country with a capacity of 51,600. ( Croke Park has 82,300) Numbers 3 to 10, capacity wise, are all owned by the GAA, and Munster Rugby are 11th with a capacity of 25,600 Numbers 12 to 45 are all GAA stadia, with the exception of Windsor Park (football Belfast No19), RDS ( Leinster Rugby No. 22, capacity 18,500), Ravenhill ( Ulster Rugby 24, 18,196) Tallagh Stadium 28 th ( Football and athletics) Cricket Ireland No34, Morton Stadium 40 (athletics) and Galway Sports Grounds 45 ( Capacity 8149, Connacht Rugby and Greyhound Racing) Rugby or Football ( soccer), which are not classified as Irish sports, are not allowed to be played in any of the GAA stadia, without special permission from the GAA authorities. This is a very big deal and has been granted in less than 10 occasions, over 140 years for rugby, and much fewer, if ever, for football (soccer)
England absolutely were motivated by the pundits, not just Irish pundits, they were written off by Jim, Andy, Tim from eggchasers and many others, I did say this is just loading pressure onto Ireland and fuelling England, Irish fans were very uncomfortable with this, we are generally a very understated nation, but did get carried away with all the plaudits. England clearly outplayed us, we were way off, lots of mistakes and indiscipline, however Ireland really should have closed that game out with 90 seconds left. All the English pundits are now praising England and assuming they are back, they won in the 82nd minute by one point.
Ireland are number 2 in world rankings, SA number 1, the WC has nothing to do with actual rankings except double points for the winners, which as of now SA are still number 1 and thats about right. This is the way Irish fans see it . NZ went through periods of under preforming in the WC but were still seen as number 1 team in the world because of consistency and longevity in their results against the biggest powers in rugby. If SA remain consistent in the future they will hold on to number 1 if they don’t they won’t be number 1 in the rankings. Just because you win a World Cup doesn’t make you the best team in the world until the next World Cup and this applies in every sport.
@@TaydoS it means you lost a game nothing else. Did SA choke when they were beaten in 2015 by Japan , did they choke when Ireland beat the living daylights out of them for the last 6 years, did they choke when Ireland beat them with only 14 men and for 10 minutes with 13. Or did they just lose the games, they’ve lost more games to Ireland than Ireland have lost QFs. My guess is you’re an ass 🤣
Borthwick clearly targeted this game. It was a bit fairly obvious that a lot of the bag of tricks that he had been working on were all present. Yes Ford was off on his game and his one he made also drifted to the right. This is where England have done really well in World Cups where by being together as a unit that cohesion helps build a team and then everything clicks. We saw that against the Boks in France and it just absolutely worked again. England and Ireland left nothing on and off the pitch. It was a fantastic game for all. I would have been happy to lose by about 10 but that was a great performance from all 23. Such an Iconic way for England to win with a droppie.
I'm Irish and even I find the moniker of best team in the world to be shameless and nauseating especially when there is a team that has just won two world cups back to back when we haven't even made it past a quarter final. We've come a long way yes, we are winning 6 nations, grands slams, winning games against the southern hemisphere sides even in world cups, but we are a long way from doing what South Africa or New Zealand have accomplished.
Reference rule changes: What do you think of the following rule change. If you score a try, then you restart the game putting the opposition back into their own 22 as a reward?
South Africa weren't playing last weekend in Twickenham, Ireland 3rd or 4th 'best team in the world ' were and we lost, it's now about next Saturday and finishing the job against Scotland and then see if England can back up last weeks win with another against France.
You should apologise to the team and Borthwick for the amount have criticism you have given them, it was clear they were building something from the start of the 6 nations. It was always going to click at somepoint in these 5 games.
How wasn't it clear@@NTL578 ? They went into Italy with intent and a prototype blitz system, built on it for Wales, had to revert to the kicking game a bit when they went behind due to cards, overplayed given the handling disease during the Scotland game and then it clicked against Ireland.
@andyg106 The defensive system, yes I will give you that. There was a big jump in standard based on the first few 6n games, but yes, that part was clear what we were trying to do. Talk of it being 14 games to get right was common from most, and it looked like it would take quite a few more games to get right. In terms of the rest of it, no chance. It was still box kick mania, even 2 games ago. We tried to play more expansively last game, but the standard was a million miles from the game vs Ireland. Even then, that's one game in a long time where the plan seemed to be more than, kick our way up the pitch and try to muscle over. The one game jump on Saturday was far beyond a game by game improvement. It was monumental. Almost freak. There's not one person who's being completely honest saw that performance coming. Also by the way we need to go to France and back that performance up. It will take a few more games to say for sure this is our new standard.
It seems I was one of the few people in the world who thought Eng would have a serious chance against Ireland. Was going to place a bet but was busy. From a Saffer
Historically, even the best teams in the world do not win all the time. That's how rugby works. It's a contact sport with 35 moving parts (add officials) If 20 of those moving parts align on one side you have a potential winning side. This has always been the way. Lets see how the rest of the championship pans out and may be how the up coming i ternationals go, then look at the the situation as a whole.
SA has played 8 World Cups and won 4 World Cups. The Boks have finished 3rd twice and lost in the quarters twice. We have the best World Cup track record and we are the current double World Cup champions , British and Irish Lions series winners and the current no 1 team in the World. End of debate.
Bernard nailed it when he said Ireland are great when they are allowed to be but when NZ and now England closed them down Ireland looked good but not great.
It's not coming from Ireland that we are the best team in the world. It's coming from the English media and the likes of sam Warburton. So don't be sending apologies Goode, as if it's coming from the Irish fans 🤣 you were an enabler of it to. If England weren't getting the stick they were getting I don't think they would of shown up.
Annnnnnd Mr Goode doesn't own up to the fact that, after such little time in charge, he was calling for Borthwick to be replaced. He's the poster-boy for that boring 'borewick' contingent who will moan about England win, lose or draw. Fairweather fans aren't fans, they're just spectators.
There is no basis to call them the best team in the world. Not RWC champions and not the number 1 ranked team. Pathetic. There is about 5 ranking points difference between SA and Ireland.
I don't know about "no basis". They've lost 3 games in the last 2 years, played all the top ranked sides and have winning records against everyone. That's at least a "basis" for having an opinion that they're the best in the world
@@ChrisBrown-or8ky A two-year window is not a basis to be regarded as the current best in the world. You achieved your series win against NZ in July 2022 and got credit for that in the PAST world rankings! During the past 12-months you have an 0 to 1 win / loss rate against NZ. Including the loss to NZ in the RWC your current win / loss rate is 3 - 2. As I have said in a separate thread, I do not regard SA as the best rugby team in the world, but rather rely on the facts that they are the current RWC champions and the current No 1 ranked team in the world. I question why there is this need from various quarters to say that Ireland is the best rugby team in the world, when there is really no reason to do this. Why not just say England beat the no 2 ranked team in the world or words along these lines? Maybe it's because Ireland has an enormous inferiority complex because of their poor showing in RWC's? Another matter is the fact that Ireland imports players! A proud rugby nation would not do this!
@@johnjames6620 I'm not Irish and I don't think they're the best in the world, but I think they're f***ing close to it particularly due to their body of results over the past few years and the way they kicked off this year. IMO one loss v NZ in one of the greatest matches in rwc history doesn't undo their results. My point here is that ppl that do believe they're the best have some basis for that belief
Thats what they were saying before the last two RWCs before South Africa tore them new ones. Then it was "boring Springboks," and "dIdnt deserve to win by 1 point. So England photocopy the Boks' style and beat " the best team in the world," by ONE POINT.😂
Still with the northern accent in there... sounds increasingly ridiculous. I reckon northern lads have a pretty strong understanding of things when you look at Farrell Sr, Shaun Edwards, Lancaster but for some reason all are undermined or ignored by the Twickenham leadership
I cannot help but feel that Ireland, being on the verge of creating history (2 x grand slams etc.) - choked - they have history / form in competitions etc. etc. etc.
I think they gave England too much (or was it too little?) respect. Kicking 3 pens early doors when they would normally have gone for the corners and could have been three tries up seemed out of character. Did POM think, let's keep taking points, build a lead because Eng don't score many tries? Ireland were poor because England were at their best but still only won by a point. I'm not getting carried away with the result. Ireland scored with ease at times while playing poorly, France looked very good against Wales. Next week will really tell the story for England, hopefully a close but high scoring game.
@@joedennehy386That is the point: the "great teams" seem to seize the opportunity to change / write history - and do not "choke". They seem to thrive in the pressure environment and want / desire / focus on making history... Ireland don't seem to be able to follow through and take the extra step... NZ, SA etc. have 100+ years of writing rugby history whereas Ireland have only recently started doing so and don't appear to have the mental fortitude (or whatever one wants to call it) to progress to the highest levels... Well certainly not yet it would appear...
The past 12 months have multiple all-time great games, with IREvSA, SAvFRA, IREvAB, SAvENG, ABvSA, ENGvIRE, SCOvFRA, FRAvITA, and ITAvSCO being in the balance past full time. Why TF would you want to change the laws unless you are New Zealand and you want more Harlem Globetrotter plastictainment and you also happen to be tired of losing.
11:25 I don’t know why you felt the need to make the point of Ireland aren’t the best team in the world. Nobody in Ireland has ever claimed to be the best team in the world. I don’t know why that level of arrogance is being attributed to us. We were confident that we would beat an English team who were playing incredibly poorly while Ireland were playing incredibly well. That’s not arrogance, if it is everybody on the planet bar England, we’re arrogant.
Talk of overhype, fair play to Ireland they have been on a good run but the ranking system that may have had them top on points but atm SA are the best team in the world as they won the world cup just a few months ago
Ireland got very few attacking lineouts. When they do, its thrown in crooked to guarantee Irish ball where they want it and their phase play is difficult to stop with Gibson Park making the right decisions. Ford gets a lot of stick with his kicking but his hands and running lines are top draw. Wibble Rugby is required viewing for any England fan.
Goode is so full of it! Less of the self love please! Slagging Borthwick and crew... then claiming he'd personally proscribed the winning formula. Praising himself criticising Jim, Zebo, JamieH praising himself again : sad delusional and so devoid of humility. Picking the odd snippet of commentary he got right... if you talk about it so much you're going to get the odd thing right... when he got it all wrong about the England camp and the quality of the plan and the selection. Claiming Borthwick wasn't in favour of Earl whereas Goode always wanted him... And now "that's the blue print, the minimum standard" come on! "That was the best test match in a long time " so how can that be the minimum standard! Playing like that twice in 2 weeks... That would be amazing but they're not consistent yet from one big win at home. Unfair expectation. And some good players injured.... France know how to thrash England. And what did Goode have to say by way of apology to England coaches and players? Nothing!
After watching the great attacking rugby by England on the weekend not too sure the rumours that Borthwick not focusing on any attack were true. I'm a Saffa but loved the game. Sure Rassie was taking notes for July series.😂
How England beat Ireland, " an English players foot in touch, goes past 2 phases, so now the TMO cant check it, and England score a try on the 3rd phase. Thats just 1 of a few things.
Ireland are not the best team in the world and nobody in Ireland thinks that. So, no need to be sorry Goodie !! Likewise, that one good game doesn't make England a great team either. There's no doubt England have the players but let's hope they get a run going amd back this up. I remember Munster played high on emotion and like a team posessed after Anthony Foley died. England need to back it up now.
Think the england win shows that the pundits really have no idea about the build up of new teams under new coaches. They are judging on what happened under Eddie instead of looking at what is being worked on.
Its quick to forget about springboks when they lost one of their pool games leading up to the final then scraped a win in the last 2-3 games and cheated in turn overs by having their hands all over the grass that was ignored by refs.
Ireland are not, nor have they ever been the best team in the world... But they can, and consistently go toe to toe, with the best teams in the world (SA and NZ) with at least a 50% win rate... As can France... And England has been close too... They lost by 1 point in the WC SF. What this tells us, is that the top teams are all fairy close. SA, NZ, Ireland, France and England... There's really not much between them. You might add Scotland to that pack too.
To use a tennis anology: Stefi Graf won many of her Wimbledon crowns in very close games (especially against Vicario, Sabatini and Novotna), but Steffi is regarded as the best or second best of all time and the rest don't really make it into the top ten!
@@professorX1983 that's not what you asked. You asked when did Ireland beat South Africa? You didn't ask when Ireland won a world cup. Ireland never got past QF in a world cup... But Ireland beat South Africa last world cup.
Could the commentators on here stop the 'best team in the world' nonsense. No one over here said that. Sam Warburton started it and then Borthwick said it four times in his press conference,ffs. You cant be the best team if you're ranked No 2.!!
Will foreign fans and pundits please stop labelling Ireland "the best team in the world" and then use that as a stick to beat us with. I get the need for controversial media content to keep the wheels spinning but it is time to move onto something else. We are third at best behind SA and NZ, and on our day can beat anyone. France and England with their resources can over take us in the NH very quickly. Rugby is not our national sport, is the 4th most popular team sport and is predominantly played by private school boys in a country of just over 6 million people. Ireland have done very well considering our resources to be competitive with the current big 4, but can you please STFU talking Ireland up in your own little feed back loops, just to use that to tear us down when we lose a game to counties with far larger Rugby resources.
Shoutout the Irish. They have given credit and have been so gracious in defeat. A tremendously well spirited weekend. Thank you.
Thank you for saying that. 😁
100% agree. I’ve never seen such gracious responses. A lesson to Saffa’s and Scots!! It’s a game! England sneaked it but Ireland would beat us 7/10 times.
There may not be fondness, but always notice the respect from the Irish even at our worst. Goes both ways from us England fans, I enjoy seeing Ireland do well
The sledging in all of these youtube videos "best team in the world" is quite comical in fairness. Just to note though, that literally no Irish person said that we were the best in the world. It was English and Welsh writers.
Thanks for not misplacing the Irish fans for the media like the usual
Goodie needs to watch wibble rugby's breakdown of the England team's growth under Borthwick. Its so insightful
i'm surprised Goodie doesn't own a havaianas shop, flip-flopping is his specialty. ironically named as well considering how negative he is.
Yep, how he isn't constantly called out on this is amazing. Last week it was "trouble in camp", SB isn't up to scratch.@@jon19101
Yes! Every England fan needs to watch it.
Completely agree about Wibble rugby's breakdown, 100% worth a watch and showed a better understanding of the game than some pundits for sure!
@@king_clueless Well said (written!). Was so glad I watched it before the game, as I could really see what the backs were trying to do in defence. It even helped spot why Ireland were able to create their second try.
England were incredible but now it's about backing it up. Standout performers were Martin, Earl, Mitchell and Feyi-Waboso. Really like Furbank as well his intent to attack and his hard work to get into playmaking positions was great. Feyi-Waboso is extremely robust, his defence stood out as much as his attack, he nails people way bigger than him. Martin is just a monster around the park. Can't wait to see this attack blossom with Mitchell at 9 and Smith at 10.
So gutted Feyi-Waboso has just pulled out with a concussion.
@@Gilescowdemdem Ah bollocks, hopefully Borthwick gives Will Muir a run out rather than Daly.
Yeh, fingers crossed. @@eazyollie9370
Living off one big performance for years
Agreed, Martin is an absolute titan... and only 22.
Goodey mate, irish haven't been saying we're the best in the world. Find it funny that this narrative has caught on. Sam Warburton said it and Steve Borthwick said it. So did Big Jim the other week. It's the English Scottish and Welsh contingent that are blowing smoke up our ass. Clearly SA are the best team and showed at the world cup. But this is still a top class irish team and we're not far off top
Like your brain and knowledge of rugby...is Walsh who are worse than Italy they just provock springbok bc their grand father gatland is jealous of sa winning. New Zealanders thing they are the best bc they play free flowing Rugby and isn't like we don't know not good at, look at bulls and stormers plays free flowing just at the moment our play nationally works for us. Here we are back to back world champion you can't do nothing about that record.
Very fair comment. On their day, there's possibly 3 teams that could lay claim to the unofficial title, but it's putting it together over a couple of seasons that really decides it.
The best team thing is nonsense. What is true is that Ireland is a top team. Their biggest weakness is no plan b. The Irish pack is formidable and under utilized in attack. Power game is missing. England has the tallent to be in the top tier. The WC semifinal and this game showed the potential. A great game to watch.
Feyi waboso is like the reincarnation of Jason Robinson on steroids. He always beats the first defender and he can absolutely smash you in the tackle. He’s a fucking beast.
Agreed its shout out to the Irish fans who were very gracious. Without JGP having to move to the wing, it could have been a different result. If England can back-up with a perfomance and possibly a win against France, then it will be ... and then there were four - South Africa, Ireland, NZ and England ... and really when M. Dupont is finished with 7s, there will be 5, as France will get better from this period having played their 21-year olds who are learning that there's nothing like test rugby. What an exciting time to be a rugby fan.
Let’s not get carried away. One.solid great performance does not transform a team straight away. They now need to consistently back this up. This weekend coming up is France away. Their forwards are huge and fast. Let’s see
This might just be the win over the Irish to get the ball rolling for England..just look at Italy
I think this best team in the world tag is being used as a stick to beat the team with. Seemed to be more pundits outside Ireland that were calling them that. England were charged up on the day and were deserved winners, but let’s see if they can play that way consistently.
Of couse it is...thats why they said it. And its not "more pundits outside ireland " but "ONLY" pundits outside Ireland.
100%, english and welsh pundits, coaches and players were the ones throwing around that label
@@kerrylass2 Google will bring you back to the truth. I watched pod after pod on how amazing Ireland are. Heaslop anyone?
They did the same in 2019 and England put 30+ past them. Never learn.
Did Heaslop say " Best in the World" ? No. Thats my only point. NO Irish pundit did...yep Heaslop and Stringer said other things but not that. Oh I'm sorry you felt annoyed that people were saying how good Ireland were...btw it was ONLY Scottish, Welsh, even Bothwick used the phrase Best in the World upteen times before the match. Why wouldnt they say on form how good we were in the 6 nations...we were. FACT. .. Well done to England for finally playing well and getting a surprise win. Now try and be a gracious winner
What a great match and that England were involved, makes it greater. Goode just doesn't beat around the proverbial bush!...love it!
The 6 Nations is on 🔥 Following all the way from 🇿🇦. PS we can't wait to host the Irish later this year. Both tests sold out within 2 hours.
The last 3 games against Ireland , England have been down to 14 men fairly early and this time we managed to keep 15 men on the field and this is a major reason for the victory . i also feel that Ireland are missing Mac Hanson who causes so much trouble to opposition defences
Big Jim and Goodey are the couple this South African didn't know he needed. Bernard Jackman is excellent. This, Aotearoa Rugby, and Ball Carrier are streets ahead of the other panel pods (honourable mention to the slightly inebriated Aussies during the RWC). Love the Boks Office too - but freely admit they boys probably cater to Saffer tastes and sensibilities a bit 😂
It's a bit arrogant hearing Goodey suggest that it was because "he'd been saying for ages" that the England team play with width, that they suddenly did. They were trying it against Scotland 2 weeks ago, but nothing stayed in hand. England left 7 points on the pitch in what were arguably easy kicks. They simply blew Ireland away and I hate to say it, but Ireland thought it would be a case of going through motions, regardless of what they said in public.
Nobody expected England to be that good against that Irish team and after the performance against Scotland - even if it is true that they've always had the potential. What a turnaround.
If this doesn't include Goodey admitting he was completely wrong last week about SB's plan, "trouble" in the camp, what they were building, the steady focus on defence, kick chase and building the attack off the back of those foundations then I won't be surprised lol. Have so much time for Jim, however, for an ex-professional it's amazing how little depth Andy thinks about the game with.
England were very good no question about that, the question is this, can they back it up in France with the same intensity, we will see
And then win two in New Zealand
Didn’t they just have a tournament to decide the best team in the world?
Yes yes they did...now can we ALL move on .
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Brilliant.Best comment on here.
One of the very few Irish pundits who is a true rugby fan. Very sober.
He's one of the most knowledgeable pundits out there full stop, not only Irish players but has an extensive knowledge of the French and Welsh setups and players, Jim is funny at times but he hasn't a rashers
Yes we all like bernard but there are other good commentators as well here...believe it or not. Lol
Big statement ! Blowing smoke ! Only one more win and they are the World Champs !
good discussion guys, thank you. @Big Jim, sorry for trolling about the fanslam; I really enjoy your chat and passion for the game, so thank you. 👍👍
Historically, even the best teams in the world do not win all the time. That's how rugby works. It's a contact sport with 35 moving parts (add officials)
If 20 of those moving parts align on one side you have a potential winning side. This has always been the way. Lets see how the rest of the championship pans out and may be how the up coming internationals go, then look at the the situation as a whole.
Two points for Bernard , scrums , both props to keep outside foot infront of inside until ball comes in . Reduce resets , after first reset clock stops . Get rid of choke tackle ensuring smaller quicker backs stay in the game .
Great points. Another thing about “shapes and sizes” I issue. I do think rugby needs to have a think about player size whether it’s through use of subs, quantity of subs or something else. The game as a whole should be aspirational for athletes at all sizes - the phenomenon of “training for thirty/forty minute games” is (overall) a bit worrying.
I know people will cite Cheslin, or a few others and power is super critical to an entertaining game but rugby ignores diversity of size at its peril.
And ban scrum penalies
one performance that is flying under the radar is how well Chessum played at 6 he looked so much better, and cunningham coming on was laying waste to Ireland in attack before his injury.
I don't know how you can say that,he made an excellent tackle on Aki, then disappeared
@@joedennehy386 must of missed what I’ve seen then
Very entertaining fellas.
Totally agree that Ben Earl got MotM,he’s a dynamo who refuses take a backward step.
We have,dare I say it,real optimism about this England team.
Excellent podcast,and it’ll probably be bettered by us thumping France in their back yard.
I fancy Ireland to bounce back and beat Scotland comfortably though to retain it.
We’re catching up though.
As an Irish man can we please stop this nonsense of saying Ireland are the best team in the world. Have improved massively last 10 years but i can tell you for free 99.99% of Irish fans wouldn't consider us to be the best team in the world.
3rd I'd say would be accurate right now.
Ireland have good win rates against #1 and #2 but not when it counts most.
Ireland should never be better than South Africa anyway. 12 times the population, more popular sport in the context of each country, some players getting through the system in South Africa haven taken extra supplements and not being caught
I don't think the world rankings necessarily say who is best and so forth, but if one is going to make a claim about who is best there must be some sound logic to it and at this time the biggest objective factors and the RWC results and the World rankings (as imperfect as these determinants are).
You are one of the best teams in the world.
@@eoinh3816You blame SA’s population figures for being stronger than Ireland that may be true even though NZ has a smaller population than Ireland & SA & play better rugby than both. You accuse our players of using banned “supplements & never get caught, well maybe it’s because the Springboks never use them & if they did they’d get caught. why can’t you just be happy that Ireland is playing awesome Ruby at the moment.
Great show lads🇮🇪
Eng over Ireland, who woulda thunk! Great game, and still my favorite rugby podcast show, nice one fellas. ZA
After the Scotland game, Jamie George said we will stick with the new 'England Way' most of us thought WTF, well we now know what they were working towards.
As am Irish I have to congratulate England on that performance. They were class but what interests me is that beside their dominance they actually only won by 2 points in the last minute. I’m not really sure what that say’s about either team….
1 point win I thought
Best team in the world? Did they win the WC?
And as far as I know S Africa is still ranked no1 by the IRB…
@user-qd5wi9dx3ridiot troll…
@@jamesbond8191 they are and that’s right .
I don’t listen to their podcast anymore. It’s boring now.
I mean, your here now arnt ya?! Haha @hog8035
Anything to say about Thomas Ramos? Cannot wait to hear how gracious you will be in defeat? Love from France 😂
Goody, where do you buy your England tickets.....I'd be there every time if I could pick up tickets for around a 100quid😛
Seems like England were finally allowed to play. and boy did they play! congrats!
Absolutely no doubt that England can be up there at the top of the tree again, alongside Ireland as one of the best teams in the world. If they work hard at it they’ll surely get up there.
Got to give it to Goodey, he said if England were going to beat Ireland they needed to go out and play rugby and score near thirty points and give it a proper go. No other pundit said it or thought it could happen. From an Irish man.
There have been a number of comments from Irish contributors about rugby being the no.4 sport in our country.
As one of many GAA persons who follows rugby and appreciates this wonderful game, I thought that I should give a little background, that may enlighten those who form opinions, without understanding Ireland’s more recent interest with rugby, and take offence from statements from Irish contributors on various forums.
As a young person growing up in Ireland and playing GAA during the 1960's and early 70' we were forbidden from attending or participating in what were considered British sports. Participants received suspension from GAA games for periods of 3 to 6 months for attending games as a spectator. We were never allowed participate
The following rule applied
Rule 27 of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA), also known as "the Ban", was a rule in force from 1905 to 1971 that banned members of the GAA from playing or watching other sports such as rugby, soccer or hockey.
This ban was lifted in 1971, and before this the rule meant that you never discussed or admitted having an interest in these sports.
For many years after, the traditionalists would not accept the lifting of this ban, and even today 2024, soccer or rugby games are not allowed to be played in any GAA field, without special permission from authority at the highest level.
I expect that this considerablt impacted on the numbers playing the game of rugby, and may be a factor as to why Ireland has won 29 wooden spoons, more than any other nation.
However, all of these came during the 5 nations and since Italy joined, both ourselves and England have avoided this dubious honour.
Perhaps it also explains why we tend to get a little excited about our relative success in recent years.
Hopefully, you find the following facts, enlightening.
The GAA is the largest and most popular organisation in Ireland with some 800,000 members out of the island's population of almost 6 million. Gaelic football and Hurling are the main and most popular activities promoted by the organisation.
The GAA has over 2,200 clubs in all 32 counties of Ireland
Croke Park is one of Europe's largest stadia, with a capacity of 82,300
The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA), Ireland’s largest sporting organisation is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world
Football ( Soccer) is the second most popular sport in Ireland and it is also the third most popular spectator sport overall with 16% of total attendances at sports events, behind only Gaelic football (34%) and hurling (23%). (source FAI)
There are currently approximately 95,000 rugby players in total in Ireland and 209 clubs ( GAA 2,200 clubs)
There are 56 clubs affiliated to the Ulster Branch; 71 to the Leinster Branch; 59 to the Munster Branch and 23 to the Connacht Branch.
The Aviva Stadium, (shared between the Football Association of Ireland and the IRFU) is Ireland’s second largest stadium, in the country with a capacity of 51,600. ( Croke Park has 82,300)
Numbers 3 to 10, capacity wise, are all owned by the GAA, and Munster Rugby are 11th with a capacity of 25,600
Numbers 12 to 45 are all GAA stadia, with the exception of Windsor Park (football Belfast No19), RDS ( Leinster Rugby No. 22, capacity 18,500), Ravenhill ( Ulster Rugby 24, 18,196) Tallagh Stadium 28 th ( Football and athletics) Cricket Ireland No34, Morton Stadium 40 (athletics) and Galway Sports Grounds 45 ( Capacity 8149, Connacht Rugby and Greyhound Racing)
Rugby or Football ( soccer), which are not classified as Irish sports, are not allowed to be played in any of the GAA stadia, without special permission from the GAA authorities. This is a very big deal and has been granted in less than 10 occasions, over 140 years for rugby, and much fewer, if ever, for football (soccer)
Murray was a legend but im afraid when he came on and gibson park went to the wing we lost something, the box kick with 90 seconds left is baffling.
Best not to get to carried away.England could get pumped by France at the weekend😮
England absolutely were motivated by the pundits, not just Irish pundits, they were written off by Jim, Andy, Tim from eggchasers and many others, I did say this is just loading pressure onto Ireland and fuelling England, Irish fans were very uncomfortable with this, we are generally a very understated nation, but did get carried away with all the plaudits. England clearly outplayed us, we were way off, lots of mistakes and indiscipline, however Ireland really should have closed that game out with 90 seconds left. All the English pundits are now praising England and assuming they are back, they won in the 82nd minute by one point.
Ireland are number 2 in world rankings, SA number 1, the WC has nothing to do with actual rankings except double points for the winners, which as of now SA are still number 1 and thats about right. This is the way Irish fans see it . NZ went through periods of under preforming in the WC but were still seen as number 1 team in the world because of consistency and longevity in their results against the biggest powers in rugby. If SA remain consistent in the future they will hold on to number 1 if they don’t they won’t be number 1 in the rankings. Just because you win a World Cup doesn’t make you the best team in the world until the next World Cup and this applies in every sport.
And what does it mean when you choke/lose at the first knockout game at every World Cup?
@@TaydoS it means you lost a game nothing else. Did SA choke when they were beaten in 2015 by Japan , did they choke when Ireland beat the living daylights out of them for the last 6 years, did they choke when Ireland beat them with only 14 men and for 10 minutes with 13. Or did they just lose the games, they’ve lost more games to Ireland than Ireland have lost QFs. My guess is you’re an ass 🤣
Borthwick clearly targeted this game. It was a bit fairly obvious that a lot of the bag of tricks that he had been working on were all present. Yes Ford was off on his game and his one he made also drifted to the right. This is where England have done really well in World Cups where by being together as a unit that cohesion helps build a team and then everything clicks. We saw that against the Boks in France and it just absolutely worked again. England and Ireland left nothing on and off the pitch. It was a fantastic game for all. I would have been happy to lose by about 10 but that was a great performance from all 23. Such an Iconic way for England to win with a droppie.
As an Irishman, England were bloody fantastic. The only ones who saw that coming were the English team themselves.
While gutted we lost. A good England is good for rugby so a good result for the championship. For the neutral it was a great match also!!
I'm Irish and even I find the moniker of best team in the world to be shameless and nauseating especially when there is a team that has just won two world cups back to back when we haven't even made it past a quarter final. We've come a long way yes, we are winning 6 nations, grands slams, winning games against the southern hemisphere sides even in world cups, but we are a long way from doing what South Africa or New Zealand have accomplished.
Reference rule changes: What do you think of the following rule change. If you score a try, then you restart the game putting the opposition back into their own 22 as a reward?
South Africa weren't playing last weekend in Twickenham, Ireland 3rd or 4th 'best team in the world ' were and we lost, it's now about next Saturday and finishing the job against Scotland and then see if England can back up last weeks win with another against France.
It's about backing it up
6 nations makes us all better
13:04 oh ffs are we gonna rank ever game to the likes of the RWC quarters!?
Every 4 years or so. Need to saviour this one.
You should apologise to the team and Borthwick for the amount have criticism you have given them, it was clear they were building something from the start of the 6 nations. It was always going to click at somepoint in these 5 games.
It wasn't clear at all. This is blatant revisionism.
Watch wibble rugby@@NTL578
He absolutely nailed England's game plan and development
How wasn't it clear@@NTL578 ? They went into Italy with intent and a prototype blitz system, built on it for Wales, had to revert to the kicking game a bit when they went behind due to cards, overplayed given the handling disease during the Scotland game and then it clicked against Ireland.
@andyg106 The defensive system, yes I will give you that. There was a big jump in standard based on the first few 6n games, but yes, that part was clear what we were trying to do. Talk of it being 14 games to get right was common from most, and it looked like it would take quite a few more games to get right.
In terms of the rest of it, no chance. It was still box kick mania, even 2 games ago. We tried to play more expansively last game, but the standard was a million miles from the game vs Ireland. Even then, that's one game in a long time where the plan seemed to be more than, kick our way up the pitch and try to muscle over.
The one game jump on Saturday was far beyond a game by game improvement. It was monumental. Almost freak. There's not one person who's being completely honest saw that performance coming.
Also by the way we need to go to France and back that performance up. It will take a few more games to say for sure this is our new standard.
It seems I was one of the few people in the world who thought Eng would have a serious chance against Ireland. Was going to place a bet but was busy. From a Saffer
Historically, even the best teams in the world do not win all the time. That's how rugby works. It's a contact sport with 35 moving parts (add officials)
If 20 of those moving parts align on one side you have a potential winning side. This has always been the way. Lets see how the rest of the championship pans out and may be how the up coming i ternationals go, then look at the the situation as a whole.
SA has played 8 World Cups and won 4 World Cups. The Boks have finished 3rd twice and lost in the quarters twice. We have the best World Cup track record and we are the current double World Cup champions , British and Irish Lions series winners and the current no 1 team in the World. End of debate.
We are not the best team in the world.
But probably the best team in the northern hemisphere.
Irish man here I suspected England would surprise us .
Love the thumbnail 🇿🇦
The best team in the world is SA right now and England lost to them last time 😜
Borthwick is a dangerous couch a bit of Rassie there
Bernard nailed it when he said Ireland are great when they are allowed to be but when NZ and now England closed them down Ireland looked good but not great.
I cannot remember any Irish pundit saying Ireland are the best team in the world, perhaps there was .
Sorry, mate, there's loads.
No No there wasnt....see other posts on who did.
Incredible game, correction though, South Africa are the best team in the World at the moment, or perhaps this claim is simply click bait?
It's not coming from Ireland that we are the best team in the world. It's coming from the English media and the likes of sam Warburton. So don't be sending apologies Goode, as if it's coming from the Irish fans 🤣 you were an enabler of it to.
If England weren't getting the stick they were getting I don't think they would of shown up.
Annnnnnd Mr Goode doesn't own up to the fact that, after such little time in charge, he was calling for Borthwick to be replaced. He's the poster-boy for that boring 'borewick' contingent who will moan about England win, lose or draw. Fairweather fans aren't fans, they're just spectators.
Ireland are the best team in Europe and the second best team in the world.
There is no basis to call them the best team in the world. Not RWC champions and not the number 1 ranked team. Pathetic. There is about 5 ranking points difference between SA and Ireland.
We KNOW...jesus it was NEVER us saying that. This is SO annoying. Tell the English Welsh Scottish ex players who said it they are pathetic not us.
I don't know about "no basis". They've lost 3 games in the last 2 years, played all the top ranked sides and have winning records against everyone. That's at least a "basis" for having an opinion that they're the best in the world
@@ChrisBrown-or8ky A two-year window is not a basis to be regarded as the current best in the world. You achieved your series win against NZ in July 2022 and got credit for that in the PAST world rankings!
During the past 12-months you have an 0 to 1 win / loss rate against NZ. Including the loss to NZ in the RWC your current win / loss rate is 3 - 2.
As I have said in a separate thread, I do not regard SA as the best rugby team in the world, but rather rely on the facts that they are the current RWC champions and the current No 1 ranked team in the world.
I question why there is this need from various quarters to say that Ireland is the best rugby team in the world, when there is really no reason to do this. Why not just say England beat the no 2 ranked team in the world or words along these lines?
Maybe it's because Ireland has an enormous inferiority complex because of their poor showing in RWC's?
Another matter is the fact that Ireland imports players! A proud rugby nation would not do this!
@@kerrylass2 google it. Ireland punters saying it.
@@johnjames6620 I'm not Irish and I don't think they're the best in the world, but I think they're f***ing close to it particularly due to their body of results over the past few years and the way they kicked off this year. IMO one loss v NZ in one of the greatest matches in rwc history doesn't undo their results.
My point here is that ppl that do believe they're the best have some basis for that belief
Thats what they were saying before the last two RWCs before South Africa tore them new ones.
Then it was "boring Springboks," and "dIdnt deserve to win by 1 point.
So England photocopy the Boks' style and beat " the best team in the world," by ONE POINT.😂
Still with the northern accent in there... sounds increasingly ridiculous. I reckon northern lads have a pretty strong understanding of things when you look at Farrell Sr, Shaun Edwards, Lancaster but for some reason all are undermined or ignored by the Twickenham leadership
Fair play England, deserved to win but how was the foot in touch missed leading up to an England try??? Don't get that???
Face it guys, you were way off.
Did England beat South Africa at the weekend?
I cannot help but feel that Ireland, being on the verge of creating history (2 x grand slams etc.) - choked - they have history / form in competitions etc. etc. etc.
Imposter syndrome
I think they gave England too much (or was it too little?) respect. Kicking 3 pens early doors when they would normally have gone for the corners and could have been three tries up seemed out of character. Did POM think, let's keep taking points, build a lead because Eng don't score many tries? Ireland were poor because England were at their best but still only won by a point. I'm not getting carried away with the result. Ireland scored with ease at times while playing poorly, France looked very good against Wales. Next week will really tell the story for England, hopefully a close but high scoring game.
England finally had an attack…instead of a stupid kicking game.
There still going to win the championship aren't they, who cares
@@joedennehy386That is the point: the "great teams" seem to seize the opportunity to change / write history - and do not "choke". They seem to thrive in the pressure environment and want / desire / focus on making history... Ireland don't seem to be able to follow through and take the extra step... NZ, SA etc. have 100+ years of writing rugby history whereas Ireland have only recently started doing so and don't appear to have the mental fortitude (or whatever one wants to call it) to progress to the highest levels... Well certainly not yet it would appear...
Beat the best team in the world - did they play the Boks?
The past 12 months have multiple all-time great games, with IREvSA, SAvFRA, IREvAB, SAvENG, ABvSA, ENGvIRE, SCOvFRA, FRAvITA, and ITAvSCO being in the balance past full time.
Why TF would you want to change the laws unless you are New Zealand and you want more Harlem Globetrotter plastictainment and you also happen to be tired of losing.
Ireland are the best team in the world until they play a game that counts.
11:25 I don’t know why you felt the need to make the point of Ireland aren’t the best team in the world. Nobody in Ireland has ever claimed to be the best team in the world. I don’t know why that level of arrogance is being attributed to us. We were confident that we would beat an English team who were playing incredibly poorly while Ireland were playing incredibly well. That’s not arrogance, if it is everybody on the planet bar England, we’re arrogant.
Well said
Talk of overhype, fair play to Ireland they have been on a good run but the ranking system that may have had them top on points but atm SA are the best team in the world as they won the world cup just a few months ago
Ireland got very few attacking lineouts. When they do, its thrown in crooked to guarantee Irish ball where they want it and their phase play is difficult to stop with Gibson Park making the right decisions.
Ford gets a lot of stick with his kicking but his hands and running lines are top draw.
Wibble Rugby is required viewing for any England fan.
They mustn't drop him.
Jim, you are much better on your own with a special guest. Ditch Goody
Hope ye had a great day England.
Goode is so full of it! Less of the self love please! Slagging Borthwick and crew... then claiming he'd personally proscribed the winning formula. Praising himself criticising Jim, Zebo, JamieH praising himself again : sad delusional and so devoid of humility. Picking the odd snippet of commentary he got right... if you talk about it so much you're going to get the odd thing right... when he got it all wrong about the England camp and the quality of the plan and the selection. Claiming Borthwick wasn't in favour of Earl whereas Goode always wanted him... And now "that's the blue print, the minimum standard" come on! "That was the best test match in a long time " so how can that be the minimum standard! Playing like that twice in 2 weeks... That would be amazing but they're not consistent yet from one big win at home. Unfair expectation. And some good players injured.... France know how to thrash England. And what did Goode have to say by way of apology to England coaches and players? Nothing!
After watching the great attacking rugby by England on the weekend not too sure the rumours that Borthwick not focusing on any attack were true. I'm a Saffa but loved the game. Sure Rassie was taking notes for July series.😂
How England beat Ireland, " an English players foot in touch, goes past 2 phases, so now the TMO cant check it, and England score a try on the 3rd phase. Thats just 1 of a few things.
And the rest of the world copies SA
Teams would need to take a bunch of steroids to copy South Africa
The ‘best team in the world’ have now been beaten in crunch games by La Rochelle (x2) New Zealand and England.
Ireland are not the best team in the world and nobody in Ireland thinks that. So, no need to be sorry Goodie !!
Likewise, that one good game doesn't make England a great team either. There's no doubt England have the players but let's hope they get a run going amd back this up. I remember Munster played high on emotion and like a team posessed after Anthony Foley died. England need to back it up now.
I thought both teams made for a great game
I would put us at 3rd. Behind new zealand and south africa. Dont think anyone else is better than us
Think the england win shows that the pundits really have no idea about the build up of new teams under new coaches. They are judging on what happened under Eddie instead of looking at what is being worked on.
Who had a bet on England? Not me.
Never the best team in the world have you forgotten the Springboks
The irish pundits never said that...see other posts for who did...take a WILD guess.
Its quick to forget about springboks when they lost one of their pool games leading up to the final then scraped a win in the last 2-3 games and cheated in turn overs by having their hands all over the grass that was ignored by refs.
Let's see what happens against France before we declare the dawn of English Rugby.
England were dangerous when cornered . France to win. Back to the drawing board for Borthwick.
England beat Ireland, not South Africa, so why does you click-bait headline say something about beating the best team in the world?
They didn’t play the best team in the world which made the win easier.
😂😂😂😂.. Sour grapes... They refuse to acknowledge springboks... No disrespect to ireland
What makes you think Ireland refuse to acknowledge SA?
@@IcarianX Apologies... My wording was wrong, I meant england refuse to acknowledge, not ireland
Ireland are not, nor have they ever been the best team in the world...
But they can, and consistently go toe to toe, with the best teams in the world (SA and NZ) with at least a 50% win rate...
As can France... And England has been close too... They lost by 1 point in the WC SF.
What this tells us, is that the top teams are all fairy close.
SA, NZ, Ireland, France and England... There's really not much between them.
You might add Scotland to that pack too.
To use a tennis anology: Stefi Graf won many of her Wimbledon crowns in very close games (especially against Vicario, Sabatini and Novotna), but Steffi is regarded as the best or second best of all time and the rest don't really make it into the top ten!
NZ will be the best in the would again soon
Beating the best team of the world ? When did they beat South Africa ?
The WC 2023 pool game?
@@IcarianX hahahaha.. you win world cups in pool games ? Maybe win a quarter final first then we can have a conversation.
@@professorX1983 that's not what you asked. You asked when did Ireland beat South Africa? You didn't ask when Ireland won a world cup. Ireland never got past QF in a world cup... But Ireland beat South Africa last world cup.
Last world cup, last autumn tour....
Another Ireland humbling coming up .. they will be touring SA soon. And u can be sure the Springboks will be ready and waiting …
Could the commentators on here stop the 'best team in the world' nonsense. No one over here said that. Sam Warburton started it and then Borthwick said it four times in his press conference,ffs. You cant be the best team if you're ranked No 2.!!
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Will foreign fans and pundits please stop labelling Ireland "the best team in the world" and then use that as a stick to beat us with. I get the need for controversial media content to keep the wheels spinning but it is time to move onto something else. We are third at best behind SA and NZ, and on our day can beat anyone. France and England with their resources can over take us in the NH very quickly.
Rugby is not our national sport, is the 4th most popular team sport and is predominantly played by private school boys in a country of just over 6 million people.
Ireland have done very well considering our resources to be competitive with the current big 4, but can you please STFU talking Ireland up in your own little feed back loops, just to use that to tear us down when we lose a game to counties with far larger Rugby resources.
Get over yourself. Plenty of Irish punters doing it in one form or another.
@@dulls8475 Are they fuck! Show me where one said we are the best team in the world.
@@richardmcgoldrick78 Rob Kearney believes Ireland are the best team at the Rugby World Cup. Google it.
Interesting that Borthwick said it during interview.
@@EddieSkyZ He is not Irish. Well I dont think he is. I believe Ireland are the no 1 team in the world. I am not Irish either.