Couldn't you get the factory o rings for the blue plug? Using generic ones is not ideal as you need to ensure the material is compatible with brake fluid, EPDM being the best choice, nitrile or viton, which the generic o rings are almost certainly made of will degrade and fail in time.
All types of seal will degrade over time, this is why these calipers are servicable, make sure when replacing the O-ring to match the cross section/diameter and service when needed or yearly etc.
@@DavidStevenson-gw2eo brake fluid will attack certain type of rubber quite quickly, not to mention as you say get the right size specified by the design rather than a generic right by eye size, especially on something as crtitical as brakes
One quick piece of information, the inside diameter of the larger seal is often times tapered. Typically the larger side of the seal should be towards the source of the brake fluid. Please consult your service manual.
From memory, that was a Brembo foible back on early air cooled Ducatis, caused a bit of a kerfuffle when owners tried to sue when THEY got it wrong... so i think they abandonned it soon after... not seen a 'trapezoidal' seal since..! (and yes, i always check).!
Really enjoying this series of videos mate. Great to have the same bike that I've got to reference to of and when I do any jobs.... Oh and after 18 months of owning the bike I never knew that about the calipers!!!!
Thanks Gareth, once upon a time these were posh, swanky kit, a bit like Brembo calipers, but these days pretty normal on Yamahas... and great to hear from another XJR owner!
I remember back in the 90's, the magazines of the time - Bike, Performance Bikes etc - used to talk endlessly about the superiority of the blue spot caliper. It was difficult at times to find a Reader's Special that didn't have a set of blue spots.
Good video, Del and Penny. i remember when I got my 97 plate pan and was looking at fork seals. Yours was the first video I found that did pan forks and stuck with your channel ever since because you're down to earth and you make the best of what you have if you don't have a tool make tool lol 😂 keep up the good work and have a great weekend
Thanks so much for such kind support, and long term too, 👍 it makes it all worth the time and effort getting the content online..! Take care and have a good weekend too aye.. D&Pxx
Same as @thomasedward9065, i was looking for videos explaining how to change seals on my zx-7r a couple of years ago, i found you. I've Never missed a video since. They're a bit shorter than before but i know editing is a lot of work. Also, just because i don't want a badluck happening to you, you torqued your cap clockwise...😉 Take care both of you 🙂
@@huguesdube-bonhomme7599 Thank you so much for those kind words, and for your long term support and faith in us........ With the cap, they are a 'left hand' thread as I explained in the video, it means instead of the pressure of the brake fluid pushing them out it actually pushes them in to their seat... hence they torque up clockwise! Take care and have a wonderful weekend.
Looking forward to the front caliper blue spot refurb (I have a pair of them for my '98 900 Diversion project) - I think you you might save me hours of head-scratching! Nice job!
Great video Del. I never rebuilt that style of caliper. “A man who suffers before it is necessary, suffers more than is necessary” - Seneca. Have a great weekend.
Awesome video brother! Didn't know those type of calipers existed! Great info and well done brother, I'm excited for these series! Keep up the great work brother! Stay safe guys cheers from New York 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for your kind words as awlays Renzo, 👍, im glad you approve, these calipers are on almost all Yamaha bikes no days in one for or another.. Take care both of you and have a great week over there.. D&Pxx
Hi Del & Penny, hope all is well. Excellent video and great camera work Penny, job well done mate. Can't say I "m sad you are losing your sunshine, it"s about time we got it back LOL. Have a great weekend and take care. Cheers
Thanks mate 👍, glad you enjoyed it, and yeah, rain forecast all day for tomorrow, perfect Sunday..lol.. so it looks like a sizeable chunk is on its way back..! been watching Cross Training Adventure channel, bloke is hilarious.. seems you have more dirt roads than tarmac over there, even more envious now..! Have a great weekend and stay safe aye.. D&Px
Nice one Del 👍 Love this series, I'm learning loads as you go through the 'bike refresh makes me want to buy an XJR myself,or even better, hope you get your hands on a Honda CB 1300 and do the same thing 😂🤣😂🤣 Brilliant video 👍 Keep up the brilliant work Del 'n' Pen 👍❤️
Hi Paul, thanks so much mate, I had a big CB1300 myself, what a glorious motorcycle! Definitely one of the big muscle monster, sadly the end of an era now... as they say, 'we're the last generation that will enjoy these bikes on the road', so make the most of them! Have a great weekend, D&Px
Hey Penny and Del - great video! So interesting to see a caliper type like this. A question - given how tight the original pins were, would it not have made sense to put some anti-seize compound on the new pins? Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge in a way that is so easy to understand. Take care, dear friends. Be well and ride safe!
Hi buddy, always a contested one that... bcause with the presence of constant brake dust any wet substance turns in to thick sludge and acts the opposite of what it should... also I don't think I've ever seen brake pins that totally stuck, most of the time they will tap out, I don't think this was a case of no anti-seize, I think it was more of a case of no washing and cleaning and months of riding in wet, filthy weather! But either way, yes if you want to add a dab of anti-seize to your pins, it's not wrong! Thanks for your kind support, have a wonderful weekend, D&Px
I wondered that too, but in addition to what Del said about attracting grit, I've always hesitated to put too much grease anywhere near the pads and discs. That said, pretty sure my Kawasaki Versys service manual stipulates a thin smear of silicone grease on the pins, so that's what I do anyway. Always enjoy and appreciate your "how to's" Del, thanks for your endeavours 😊
@@PAUL-yv2kk Thanks so much Paul, i think opinions on exact brake sertvice practice will always differ, and of course common sense must prevail im sure you agree, one thing i think we all agree on though is the need to keep brake calipers clean and free from crud as often as possible.. at least that way they're be easier to sertvice when the time comes.. Take care mate, and have a great wekeend aye.. D&Px
Ah, good ol' Hayabusa foibiles, mine did the same, you can either fit some shims on the back of the pads, or a simpler fix is the ol' copper slip trick, but don't use too much, just enough to dampen the movement... either way mate, it will always come back eventually.
As a dirty mechanic, I enjoy your videos and I'm sure that they have helped save a lot of people time and especially money. Reminds me of all the weekend jobs that I do for mates, although my work bench normally has a beer sitting on it as well.....
Thanks mate, great to hear from you, and yes I think when I'm working on my own, there might be a beer floating about, especially if the mates are round and the banter's underway!
I use some grease on the retainer pins, so they get out easy on the next time service, you put them in dry and aspecialy in the UK enviroment this might result in a struggle to get them out like you experianced in the first video, curious for your oppinion. Regards, Rien
As answered below, a wet substance on the pins can lead to a sludge build up from the brake dust, but I think the true remedy is a better cleaning regime on a day to day basis, rinse the calopers out after a wet ride, it only takes a moment and then they'll never get this bad... but as I said below, yes, a little anti-seize on them isn't wrong.
@@Moonfleet41 I recently serviced as set of Yamaha gold dot calipers and found that the new white salt they are using on the roads today is much more corrosive than the older brown rock salt they used to use, the mating surfaces between the backing plate of the pad and the alloy of the caliper was rotted outand badly pitted, this is due to the nature of steel to alloy which is the perfect situation for dissolving the metal of the softer alloy of the caliper. Yamaha are one of the better calipers with their special coating and or finish which normally stands up well to winter riding, especially the blue spot versions, I agree, always try to rinse off things instead of leaving them to fester over a weekend.
Del, when you were installing the brake pads, you forgot to point out that you had bought those rare, desirable DUAL HYBRID PADS.... If you want great friction above all, then you install them like you did in this video, with the semi metallic braking compound towards the rotor... But if you want MAXIMUM braking life with very little of that pesky friction, then simply install the pads with the metal backing plate towards the rotor for the longest lasting brake pads ever!... Even better, you can have the best of both worlds by putting one in each way... :) :) I actually had a friend send a photo of an automobile caliper that was loaded that way, with one brake pad inserted backwards coming into the shop for a TERRIBLE squealing sound whenever the brakes were applied!! :) :)
Careful mate... by now, you will have already caused a crowd of blistery trolls to spit out their spagetti hoops, dash to their bedrooms in a flat spin and contact all their little troll chums to amass a tidal wave of pithy hate and bile at your deeply dangerous suggestion....i mean who d'you think you are, Ichibanned Moto..lol. Seriously though mate, a have actually had a bike in with two pads one side of the disc.. actually not that hard to do if you're careless and in a rush.. Take care buddy and have a wonderful weekend aye.. Love awlays. D&Pxx
@@Moonfleet41 Hey, I LIKE that "both pads on the same side of the rotor" strategy!! You will get twice the life out of a set and you are always carrying a spare pad... Just swap places with the pads!!! Probably a little rough on your caliper pistons on the side without the pads though...The image of blistery trolls spitting out their spaghetti hoops in a flat spin is now indelibly imprinted in my subconscious brain for eternity.. Thanks for that!! :) Enjoy the weekend, my friends :)
Nice job, mate. I wholeheartedly agree with your economical point of view in regard to this project. It's a bike to be ridden - and not a sculpture where prices are irrelevant. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
The orderly fashion that you lay out the parts before a job, I'm sure, is partially for the purpose of making a better video but I have a feeling that you would work like that even if you were fixing a car or appliance or some such. Big respect to you for that ! 😁 Great weekend to you and Penny. ❤👍👍
Hi Rick, it's absolutely nothing to do with better video, it has been a personal habit since I was a teenager and working in a open driveway, or the side of a road (with some of the old junk I used to ride!)... if you lay out a clean cloth, lay your parts out in order, you never lose anything or have anything left over! Take care my friend and have a wonderful weekend, D&Px
Couldn't you get the factory o rings for the blue plug? Using generic ones is not ideal as you need to ensure the material is compatible with brake fluid, EPDM being the best choice, nitrile or viton, which the generic o rings are almost certainly made of will degrade and fail in time.
All types of seal will degrade over time, this is why these calipers are servicable, make sure when replacing the O-ring to match the cross section/diameter and service when needed or yearly etc.
@@DavidStevenson-gw2eo brake fluid will attack certain type of rubber quite quickly, not to mention as you say get the right size specified by the design rather than a generic right by eye size, especially on something as crtitical as brakes
@@c9188 Check out a company called allorings for the right compatibility, they have all types in their chart.
One quick piece of information, the inside diameter of the larger seal is often times tapered. Typically the larger side of the seal should be towards the source of the brake fluid. Please consult your service manual.
From memory, that was a Brembo foible back on early air cooled Ducatis, caused a bit of a kerfuffle when owners tried to sue when THEY got it wrong... so i think they abandonned it soon after... not seen a 'trapezoidal' seal since..! (and yes, i always check).!
@@Moonfleet41 Nissin calipers from the older GSXRs for sure have them. I can’t remember if older Tokico’s have them. I think they did.
@@myz06rocksits not the seal whats tapered,its the groove.
@@theworldisflat. no. It’s the seal. DB even has a video rebuilding those same calipers and he shows it.
@@theworldisflat. I rebuilt those same exact calipers myself and verified myself.
Really enjoying this series of videos mate. Great to have the same bike that I've got to reference to of and when I do any jobs.... Oh and after 18 months of owning the bike I never knew that about the calipers!!!!
Thanks Gareth, once upon a time these were posh, swanky kit, a bit like Brembo calipers, but these days pretty normal on Yamahas... and great to hear from another XJR owner!
Very good angles on the camera, well done penny, as always a great video
Thank you so much 😀
She's good, ain't she?
@@Moonfleet41 Shes a keeper 😊.
Good vid guys.
Enjoy the weekend.
I remember back in the 90's, the magazines of the time - Bike, Performance Bikes etc - used to talk endlessly about the superiority of the blue spot caliper. It was difficult at times to find a Reader's Special that didn't have a set of blue spots.
Yes, now the bike review dahlings are constantly spouting Brembo everywhere, as if nobody else can make braking systems.
@@russcattell955i They get paid to do so, corporate conundrums means many sheckels.
Good video, Del and Penny. i remember when I got my 97 plate pan and was looking at fork seals. Yours was the first video I found that did pan forks and stuck with your channel ever since because you're down to earth and you make the best of what you have if you don't have a tool make tool lol 😂 keep up the good work and have a great weekend
Thanks so much for such kind support, and long term too, 👍 it makes it all worth the time and effort getting the content online..! Take care and have a good weekend too aye.. D&Pxx
Same as @thomasedward9065, i was looking for videos explaining how to change seals on my zx-7r a couple of years ago, i found you. I've Never missed a video since. They're a bit shorter than before but i know editing is a lot of work.
Also, just because i don't want a badluck happening to you, you torqued your cap clockwise...😉
Take care both of you 🙂
@@huguesdube-bonhomme7599 Thank you so much for those kind words, and for your long term support and faith in us........ With the cap, they are a 'left hand' thread as I explained in the video, it means instead of the pressure of the brake fluid pushing them out it actually pushes them in to their seat... hence they torque up clockwise! Take care and have a wonderful weekend.
@@Moonfleet41 aaaaaah yes yes ok
Ah, finally I can breathe. Fresh & new. Top camera work PP 👏🏻
Looking forward to the front caliper blue spot refurb (I have a pair of them for my '98 900 Diversion project) - I think you you might save me hours of head-scratching! Nice job!
@stelvioc3691 me to assuming it's the same way for a 1999 r6
Great video Del. I never rebuilt that style of caliper. “A man who suffers before it is necessary, suffers more than is necessary” - Seneca. Have a great weekend.
Great words of wisdom! Have a great weekend and thank you, as always, for your wonderful support, it means a lot to us!
Awesome informative video as usual. Thanks Del
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks for the feedback!
Top quality video Del, great demonstration 👍
Fun project!! Certainly different!! I wouldn't mind getting hands-on experience. Kwel design though.
You should, it's always enjoyable to experience new things.. there's so much more to the biker life that just riding don't you think..!
Awesome video brother! Didn't know those type of calipers existed! Great info and well done brother, I'm excited for these series! Keep up the great work brother! Stay safe guys cheers from New York 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for your kind words as awlays Renzo, 👍, im glad you approve, these calipers are on almost all Yamaha bikes no days in one for or another.. Take care both of you and have a great week over there.. D&Pxx
Hi Del & Penny, hope all is well. Excellent video and great camera work Penny, job well done mate. Can't say I "m sad you are losing your sunshine, it"s about time we got it back LOL. Have a great weekend and take care. Cheers
Thanks mate 👍, glad you enjoyed it, and yeah, rain forecast all day for tomorrow, perfect Sunday..lol.. so it looks like a sizeable chunk is on its way back..! been watching Cross Training Adventure channel, bloke is hilarious.. seems you have more dirt roads than tarmac over there, even more envious now..! Have a great weekend and stay safe aye.. D&Px
That’s actually a quite bright black and white shirt.
Vid. looks good too.
Nice one Del 👍
Love this series, I'm learning loads as you go through the 'bike refresh makes me want to buy an XJR myself,or even better, hope you get your hands on a Honda CB 1300 and do the same thing 😂🤣😂🤣
Brilliant video 👍
Keep up the brilliant work Del 'n' Pen 👍❤️
Hi Paul, thanks so much mate, I had a big CB1300 myself, what a glorious motorcycle! Definitely one of the big muscle monster, sadly the end of an era now... as they say, 'we're the last generation that will enjoy these bikes on the road', so make the most of them! Have a great weekend, D&Px
Nicely done, looks good and will definitely feel better, great video 😊
Thank you!! 😊 it sure will mate !
Thank you for ur teaching tool you the only one i lwarn from
You are very welcome, and thank you for your support.
Top job del
Excellent 👍🏻👌🏻
A magistral class 👍
Great vid Dell. Appreciated.
Thanks Shaun, glad you enjoyed it.
Good video pal 👍
Thanks 👍
Awesome job, Del 👏 great wealth of knowledge you have, mate 👍 keep up the great videos it's much appreciated 👏
Thank you David, always good to hear from you and really appreciate your kind support.. Take care and enjoy your weekend.. D&Px
After the day I have had this is my medicine
Thank you 🎉
Most welcome mate, thank you for your support.
Hey Penny and Del - great video! So interesting to see a caliper type like this. A question - given how tight the original pins were, would it not have made sense to put some anti-seize compound on the new pins? Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge in a way that is so easy to understand. Take care, dear friends. Be well and ride safe!
Hi buddy, always a contested one that... bcause with the presence of constant brake dust any wet substance turns in to thick sludge and acts the opposite of what it should... also I don't think I've ever seen brake pins that totally stuck, most of the time they will tap out, I don't think this was a case of no anti-seize, I think it was more of a case of no washing and cleaning and months of riding in wet, filthy weather! But either way, yes if you want to add a dab of anti-seize to your pins, it's not wrong! Thanks for your kind support, have a wonderful weekend, D&Px
I wondered that too, but in addition to what Del said about attracting grit, I've always hesitated to put too much grease anywhere near the pads and discs. That said, pretty sure my Kawasaki Versys service manual stipulates a thin smear of silicone grease on the pins, so that's what I do anyway. Always enjoy and appreciate your "how to's" Del, thanks for your endeavours 😊
@@PAUL-yv2kk Thanks so much Paul, i think opinions on exact brake sertvice practice will always differ, and of course common sense must prevail im sure you agree, one thing i think we all agree on though is the need to keep brake calipers clean and free from crud as often as possible.. at least that way they're be easier to sertvice when the time comes.. Take care mate, and have a great wekeend aye.. D&Px
Any tips to stop pads rattling when going over bumps in roads
Ah, good ol' Hayabusa foibiles, mine did the same, you can either fit some shims on the back of the pads, or a simpler fix is the ol' copper slip trick, but don't use too much, just enough to dampen the movement... either way mate, it will always come back eventually.
As a dirty mechanic, I enjoy your videos and I'm sure that they have helped save a lot of people time and especially money. Reminds me of all the weekend jobs that I do for mates, although my work bench normally has a beer sitting on it as well.....
Thanks mate, great to hear from you, and yes I think when I'm working on my own, there might be a beer floating about, especially if the mates are round and the banter's underway!
@@Moonfleet41 keeps you young..
Great job. :)
I use some grease on the retainer pins, so they get out easy on the next time service, you put them in dry and aspecialy in the UK enviroment this might result in a struggle to get them out like you experianced in the first video, curious for your oppinion. Regards, Rien
As answered below, a wet substance on the pins can lead to a sludge build up from the brake dust, but I think the true remedy is a better cleaning regime on a day to day basis, rinse the calopers out after a wet ride, it only takes a moment and then they'll never get this bad... but as I said below, yes, a little anti-seize on them isn't wrong.
@@Moonfleet41 I recently serviced as set of Yamaha gold dot calipers and found that the new white salt they are using on the roads today is much more corrosive than the older brown rock salt they used to use, the mating surfaces between the backing plate of the pad and the alloy of the caliper was rotted outand badly pitted, this is due to the nature of steel to alloy which is the perfect situation for dissolving the metal of the softer alloy of the caliper.
Yamaha are one of the better calipers with their special coating and or finish which normally stands up well to winter riding, especially the blue spot versions, I agree, always try to rinse off things instead of leaving them to fester over a weekend.
Del, when you were installing the brake pads, you forgot to point out that you had bought those rare, desirable DUAL HYBRID PADS.... If you want great friction above all, then you install them like you did in this video, with the semi metallic braking compound towards the rotor... But if you want MAXIMUM braking life with very little of that pesky friction, then simply install the pads with the metal backing plate towards the rotor for the longest lasting brake pads ever!... Even better, you can have the best of both worlds by putting one in each way... :) :) I actually had a friend send a photo of an automobile caliper that was loaded that way, with one brake pad inserted backwards coming into the shop for a TERRIBLE squealing sound whenever the brakes were applied!! :) :)
Careful mate... by now, you will have already caused a crowd of blistery trolls to spit out their spagetti hoops, dash to their bedrooms in a flat spin and contact all their little troll chums to amass a tidal wave of pithy hate and bile at your deeply dangerous suggestion....i mean who d'you think you are, Ichibanned Moto..lol. Seriously though mate, a have actually had a bike in with two pads one side of the disc.. actually not that hard to do if you're careless and in a rush.. Take care buddy and have a wonderful weekend aye.. Love awlays. D&Pxx
@@Moonfleet41 Hey, I LIKE that "both pads on the same side of the rotor" strategy!! You will get twice the life out of a set and you are always carrying a spare pad... Just swap places with the pads!!! Probably a little rough on your caliper pistons on the side without the pads though...The image of blistery trolls spitting out their spaghetti hoops in a flat spin is now indelibly imprinted in my subconscious brain for eternity.. Thanks for that!! :) Enjoy the weekend, my friends :)
Great vid, thank you. Are you doing a rear brake bleeding video? I'm having the devil's own time trying to cure a very long brake pedal on my XJR
Yes i will do once i get to that stage in the project, still got all the other hydraulics to refurbish first mate.
Good video as always dell wondered why you didn’t paint the calliper🤔🇬🇧🍺👍🏻mark
Not restoring this bike mate, just refurbishing the consumables..!
Nice job, mate. I wholeheartedly agree with your economical point of view in regard to this project. It's a bike to be ridden - and not a sculpture where prices are irrelevant. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
Great way to put it my friend, correct indeed.. !
The orderly fashion that you lay out the parts before a job, I'm sure, is partially for the purpose of making a better video but I have a feeling that you would work like that even if you were fixing a car or appliance or some such. Big respect to you for that ! 😁 Great weekend to you and Penny. ❤👍👍
Hi Rick, it's absolutely nothing to do with better video, it has been a personal habit since I was a teenager and working in a open driveway, or the side of a road (with some of the old junk I used to ride!)... if you lay out a clean cloth, lay your parts out in order, you never lose anything or have anything left over! Take care my friend and have a wonderful weekend, D&Px
@@Moonfleet41 I had a feeling that you were doing that long before youtube. 👍👍
I don't know why motorcycle calipers these days have those skimpy dust seals instead of bellows dust seals like they used to.