Laurence Fox told to pay £180,000 in libel damages | BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- Laurence Fox has been ordered to pay £90,000 in damages each to two people he referred to as "paedophiles".
The actor-turned-politician from the UK lost a High Court libel case with Simon Blake, a former trustee for charity Stonewall, and drag artist Crystal.
The remarks on X, formerly Twitter, came in an exchange about a UK supermarket Sainsbury's marking Black History Month.
Mrs Justice Collins Rice said the comments were "gross, groundless and indefensible".
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I mean, maybe don’t slander people is the strategy here. No sympathy for him, what a silly move
Gay
He was slandered first. That's the point
Get in the hole
@@Mrratongthailand Your username tells anyone all they need to know about you.
Only ELON MUSK is allowed to publicly slander people as Pedophiles and get away with it!
Fox is such a whining snowflake.
I was surprised at the amount in damages, but then I read what Lawrence said. Those kind of slurs do not fly on any side of the political spectrum.
I have to completely agree, there is a line, and it was definitely crossed
So you think men carrying out sexual fetishes in front of children is completely normal???
But its fair to call everyone who thinks people can't change sex nazis
What did he say specifically?
@@andymac7584 he literally slandered a person. right wingers cant do analogies can they? dipshit
Calling people the worst kind of criminal without proof is horrible.
@Anne--Marie
Can I put make up on and dance provocatively in the presence of you're children???
@@codswallop164 No, what a strange thing to do. Codswallop you have a strange mind.
Thankfully you're commenting on a story where nothing like that happened and Laurence Fox, like you, made up a similar lie about someone and is paying the price.
Like all female pop singers?
@Randomstuffs261
I'll bet a month salary you'd be arrested if the cops checked you're hard drive.
To defend deviants is the be a deviant.
@@codswallop164 The point is. The person in question DIDNT do what you or Laurence accused them of. I'm against doing that sort of thing infront of children too. Maybe you should stop projecting your own indecent interests onto others and try and understand other people's points instead. There's a reason Laurence now has to pay a small fortune for lying. Weird that you would also spread that same lie despite it being proven wrong.
Also it's "your" ... not "you're"
... "Dance in front of you are children" doesn't make sense codswallop
Speech is free, lies you have to pay for.
They called him a racist
Freedom of speech is free but lies can be very expensive.... Classic bully
Wouldn't it be absolute perfection if, at appeal, the original fines were found to be too lenient and . . . . . doubled!!!
Good news. Fox is a pillock.
Laurence Fox? Didn't he play one of the main characters in the TV series Inspector Lewis?
@@DragonHeart613 Yes, his acting career didn’t work out too well for him, so he turned to grifting.
@@Steven-vo4ee He was cancelled because he didn't agree with certain current day narratives.
He wasn't cancelled, he was made to pay damages to people he libelled. He isn't the victim so stop claiming that he is. Cancelled my arse.
@@gio-oz8gf He was cancelled after QT. Yes, you are an arse.
For all that private education he sure is lacking in the intellect department!
That’s exactly what I was thinking - maybe you can’t buy emotional intelligence
@@MJ-qb5ph If you see him chatting with Calvin Robinson on their RUclips show he comes across as very emotionally intelligent. Actors mainly are as this is how they understand their roles.
He got expelled for bullying, and no university would take him. He's been a failure his whole life, kept afloat by a rich family.
awarded 90 thousand pounds ... legal bill 240 thousand pounds ... (probably)
Fox will be rattling his begging bowl for quite some time!
We need more of this, there is too much lies and fake news on Social media. People need to be held to account for what they say.
Maybe we should start by requiring a threshold of evidence, below which anyone making unsubstantiated accusations of Racism gets a £90,000 fine for defamation?
Where's Laurences Money for being called a Racist then?
They are allowed to be as weird as they like, you can’t go around calling people a p-dough without any repercussions
@GIBB04182, so it quite FINE with BEING and DOING - just not SAYING?? Odd!! Next - penalties for what one is accused of THINKING!! 🤔 😡 🤪
@@lylecoglianese1645 Proof????
@@lylecoglianese1645he called him a p-dough because he’s a drag Queen, context. Watch the video, and use your brain…you wouldn’t need to ask a stupid question then
@GIBBO4182
Do you think it's ok for men to act out their fetish Infront of children???
@@lylecoglianese1645keeps deleting my replies…he called him a p-dough because he’s a drag queen, no other reason. Watch the video, then you’d have some context for the comment
Pretend actor and political what?😂😅 sorry for the parents who have to pay.
Very well spoken and informed with a logical sound argument, judge made the right decision and it's a win for common sense - you can't just go around accusing people of doing dangerous things out of pure malice and bigotry without consequence.
So you agree they were also wrong to accuse Fox of being a racist and should face consequences then?
@@rescyn1190Fox is welcome to bring defamation proceedings against them, my money is on him not.
@@Steven-vo4ee "However, the judge did not make a ruling on whether describing Mr Fox as "a racist" was "substantially true", after finding the three tweets in his counter-claim were unlikely to cause serious harm to his reputation."
My money isn't on him either with judges saying being labelled a racist doesn't cause reputational harm... despite all the reputational harm it's done to him since he was falsely labelled on after Question Time.
@@rescyn1190Only problem with your little theory is that Fox made numerous public statements that many reasonable people consider to be demonstrative of racism. Zero evidence was produced by Fox to support the claims he made against the other parties. There are reasons he lost the case and why he will lose his appeal
@@morgenmuffel5747 'Only problem with your little theory is that Fox made numerous public statements that many reasonable people consider to be demonstrative of racism' Excellent... can you provide 3 of them please?
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones..." Looks like mass insanity to me. People insult each other all the time. Ban American misuse of Law in Britain.
Fox doesn’t have the cash, he’ll have to get out the begging bowl.
Nah, he can pay it with all the proceeds of his album 😂
Or his dad perhaps
...... or just not pay.
@@CHMichael Unfortunately for Fox, that's not an option.
I hear Laurence Fox is planning to sue Laurence Fox for causing him reputational harm 😂
Yon bloke is a 'drag artist' if I read the interview correctly (meaning he dresses as a woman for his act, just like Danny la Rue did in fact, or the one who died recently, Paul O'Grady I think, or the Aussie Les Humphries/Dame Edna Everage) and I gather that according to Lawrence Fox that automatically means he is a pea-dough-file. Does that mean Danny la Rue was as well, or Les Humphries, how about all those dames in panto or even Julie Andrews - she dressed as a young boy (Peter Pan) in panto FOR CHILDREN so surely she definitely counts. After all, they all dress as male or female despite being female or male and I'm assuming that is his main objection.
“I totally disagree with that because the correct term is actually hebephile“. He later clarified.
He say's he will appeal, I can't see how!!
He was called a racist first.
@@donnaspeer2760 Seems like a 2 tier justice system, where defendants are punished or not dependant on their political opinions and those of the judge....and they probably claim this is defence against Fascism?
@@donnaspeer2760 You need to educate yourself. That's no grounds for an appeal. On the question of being called a racist, he has already counter-sued and he lost. He lost because it was decided that any harm to his reputation had been caused by his own statements about race, and NOT by being called a racist. In other words, he has shown himself to be a racist, so it's fine to call him a racist 👍
what does it mean "amplified free speech" Bbc ?
“Amplified free speech” was said by the judge. It refers to the sizeable platform Mr Fox holds due to his being a public figure. It’s important on libel cases to know the scale of the publication as this will usually help determine the amount of compensation to be paid.
@@fintanbeirne7261 good point, one shouldn't accuse publicly without proof.
@@Harlock2day I totally agree with you. Im pretty sure that this is actually the point (not reported) that Fox was trying to illustrate by what he said. I am interested to know if you think this also applies when people are called 'racist'? This is something that when it happens most commonly sees people lose their career (as has happened to Lawrence Fox).
it's what some mugs pay the BBC for
The problem with Laurence Fox is that he's motivated by anger. Not positivity. We don't want angry politicians.
@JohnAnders-fs5xy The fact he seems to attract so many antivaxxers says everything you need to know
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 my my, o well. Nice knowing you
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304
Laurence Fox isn't a politician, he's a failed actor turned grifter.
@@gio-oz8gf In what way did he fail at acting?
I don't begin to understand who Laurence Fox thinks he is? I used to enjoy him as an actor on Inspector Lewis but over the past few years I have lost all respect for him really. And who does he think he is, to say such hateful things about individuals and groups. What happened to a little kindness? cheers
He may look good on telly, but then he's pretending to be someone else. Not a nice man
Good. Absolute prat.
Oh dear. Freedom of speech is a laugh
@@cockneycharm3970 You can't go around accusing people of being pedophiles. Expect to be sued
@@cockneycharm3970 Difference between freedom of speech - allowing you to voice an opinion -and criminal slander (claiming people are seriously dangerous/offensive criminals WITHOUT proof but they must be because I think they are). His issue was the latter, not the former. And I'm willing to wager that if someone said exactly the same thing about him then he'd be screaming to the courts as well
Cough up Foxy boy.
Accountability is a great thing. Words of unfounded hate have consequences in the UK and it’s great to see courts deliver this judgement against a really vile hateful person. 🇬🇧👍🌈♥️🙏
That things not getting a cent
@@Mrratongthailand*thing’s *.
Calling another human being a ‘thing’ says significantly more about your humanity than it does theirs. ♥️🌈🇬🇧🙏
DIAF
@@polygonalmasonary over it already.
The lawyers need time to earn way too much money. The victim is so articulate and well spoken.
Yes articulate and well spoken does not mean smart. Elon Musk for example is neither of them.
@@sleepyjoe7843yes he is a lacking smarts and lacking worlds innit. What your point????
Nuts
I like Laurence Fox as much as a hole in the head
Work Crystal 🤣
Justice...
What a joke
Give them nothing
Fox’s language was crass. Would have been much better to call them idiots and point out the foolishness of their opinions.
Which would be most ironic coming from Fox.
@@Steven-vo4eeBut still true
If I called you a p_doh to my half million followers online, would you just say " how crass" !?! What would you boss and community think?
@@Mizzkan The glass houses aphorism come to mind.
@@Steven-vo4ee Now you’re getting it. 👍Took you a while
I'd still keep a close eye on him.
Heartening news as any deterrent which helps to lessen harmful and deceptive attacks against members of the lgbtq2+ communities is always welcome. 🌸
Excellent
So why did BBC only interview this guy? Where’s Lawrence’s side of the story?
Because they don't usually interview the lisers
@natalid7762
Because Lawrence would explain the context and everyone would get the reality of these men acting out what the majority see as a fetish in the company of children.
fox's side of the story is quite clear as he said what he said live on air on television.
we have slander and libel laws in this country for a reason.
he couldn't prove that the two people were paedophiles even though he was accusing them of such and therefore he lost.
as a certain russian meerkat said "simples".
In case he repeated the allegations on live Tv
@@codswallop164 absolute rubbish.
it was proven in a court of law that he made up the insult and it's based on zero evidence.
Meanwhile real pâedöphîles walk free
Very clear articulate. Loved the phrase "May have freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences. "
Do you think that the preceding accusations of racism should need to be substantiated?
Then it's not freedom of speech
Peace ....
Fox thinks he will be appealing? On the contrary, there's nothing appealing about him. 😂😂😂
Guess time will tell
And foxes are supposed to be clever. 😂😂😂
Not this Fox. He’s just mean!
@@judykinsman3258 too true.
Not sure they suffered 90k's worth of damages because of Mr Fox and his idiotic statement, but its good they got justice 👍
Sensational - Fox is such a tragic figure
Tragic and destructive, not just to himself but to others.
Source: “trust me, bro”.
@@titteryenot4524 his perennial divorced Dad energy and his ability to still fail despite having white nepotism privilege by the truckload is what makes him so tragic.
@@TC8787-yq7og Source: “trust me, bro.”
BBC - Britain's Biggest Comedy.
Laurence Fox - One of the few voices of reason that coming out of your dying country.
Live on Talk TV Nicola Thorp said that some right wing thugs were attacking the cenotaph. I've yet to see any such video anywhere.
You actually watch Nicola Thorp.
@@donnaspeer2760 Not on purpose. I was channel hopping. I think she's a lying bint.
@@donnaspeer2760 I've replied once to you already, but saying I channel hopped is now against the RUclips fascists petty rules.
Day if the Jackass!
Result!❤
Crystal on global all stars WHEN???? baby that BUDGET tho
😂😂😂 Rent a gob has found out that speech has consequences.
man Crystal is super articulate
Glad he’s had to pay 😊
Keep fighting Crystal! You are an amazing artist and activist!
Define ‘amazing’ 🤣
@@Bungle-UK the art of drag in general is amazing and fascinating to me. What I have seen of Crystal has impressed me; they are a stand out with their art and uniqueness. There is something gorgeously androgynous about them and thought provoking with the way theyplay with gender idealogy.
@@Bungle-UK Deranged!
@@AndrewWilliams-ry6tb I hope you're joking and not being a close minded jerk
@@beckibish829 no, drag is men mocking what it means to be a woman. It’s no different to blackface.
Crystal balls
No context and no mention of what was said to Fox first.
You didn't bother to watch or listen to the video, did you?
@@davidhoward4715 The trouble with the video is that omits details. It's almost like you believe everything the BBC tells you.
@@davidhoward4715 The video omits the whole context of this dispute and the point of reciprocal responsibility that Fox was making. It's verging on propaganda.
Crystal meth.
Much too small a fine especially considering what he called him.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
You can feel the BBC squealing with delight over this
You can also hear the Brexit voting neonazis screaming with rage over this.
Along with every other sane human being...
Yes , justice, fantastic thanks for making Britain Great.
Only .??? That won't shut his mouth from making inflammatory comments .
Ask him where all the degeneracy started from and who is pushing it and he'll quickly go quiet though. If he pays his bill it will be no doubt in shekels.
Political activist 😂😂😂
Vindicated? Not really. Still a fruit loop.
You are embarrassing.
Fox obviously wrestling with his own sexuality in some way!
A distinct possibility. Another is that he is a narcisst
@@MJ-qb5ph oh he is definitely a narcissist I took that for granted
The whole point of calling someone a pedophile is to damage their reputation!
Or because they are one?
Lololololol burdoog what rich people do
❤❤❤❤❤
😮tsup
Bravo
The courts have lost their minds
Nope.
Personal politics of this judge. She needs a good talking to by her superiors.
Justice 4 grenfell 7 years on still no justice
Glad they got justice :)
Crystal getting that coin (rightfully so)
Ha bloody ha
Ooooo look it's Katy Perry in blonde. 😂
Obviously the out of focus background is a nursery. 😂
Does that get you off?
@@mainStream-user do you have a brain ?
Laurence Fox is a joke😁
Except that he isn't funny
in Scotland were an Irish town were not about this homosexual group
That makes sense…. /s
Y'know how your tag is 'word', right? Try looking up how these things called 'words' can be used together to form sentences with meaning...
Is this surrealist poetry?
Actor?
ahem.
hahahahahahahahahaha
Ill just say, looking at this fella, i can see what they mean
Clearly miscast as polyglot cop .
LOL
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SLAY
hahahahahahahaha.
You can’t wear black face but you can wear a woman’s face. Some people don’t understand why someone would be an exaggeration of a woman part time, skimpy clothing, innuendos, exaggerated movements, sexual language etc
Comparing drag to blackface is a monumentally stupid thing to do
But that's still not the same as being a paedophile. Dressing up as a women isn't a criminal offence, sexually molesting children is. Why are you so moronic that you can't work out that difference????
@@canny_linguist to you. You can’t change how other people feel.
@@TheWorldisSoDivided No I can't. But I can mock and ridicule you
@@canny_linguist that’s what you’re good for
Given what he said is used regularly these days as a term of abuse, I was surprised at the damages. I wonder if he will appeal.
Maybe there's something wrong with using that slur then?
Ha ha, 😂
Ridiculous ..
If you don’t wish to face the consequences, don’t libel people.
@@Steven-vo4ee Telling stupid people, like Jim, to not be stupid doesn't have any effect.
I think it’s justified because Lawrence Fox does have a fair amount of followers and him accusing people of being peadophiles is very dangerous.
I agree, completely ridiculous, but Mr Fox keeps thinking that he is a politician or statesman. He's as much a politician as he is a musician. You did mean Loser libelling someone, doubling down, not apologising, using racist language in a trial where he claimed he shouldn't be called a racist, is ridiculous, right?
Werdo
They called him a racist, (a claim without evidence), so he called them P's in return (which you know why if you follow the Drag Queen Story Hour crowd... but also a claim without evidence) in a hyperbolic retort. I don't understand how people don't understand that (I think they do but choose not to) and I don't understand how one can be punishable but not the other. Frankly, I'd rather we have less criminalising of speech all around, but on principle, I don't understand this decision at all.
Fox is welcome to sue them for libel, my money is on him not.
The legal point is that you can't defame someone who, by their words and actions, has already defamed themselves. In layman's terms, the judge decided that, based on things he's said and done, Laurence Fox is clearly shown himself to be a racist, and therefore cannot be defamed by being called one. He's a racist, simple 👍
The thumbnail says “libel” He must have written it as ‘libel’ is written. Slander is spoken. But I noticed the reporter said it was on “social media” i would assumed that was ‘spoken ‘ ? Maybe I got it wrong?
@@Diseased_Mr_T Do you hear yourself? That's not how the law works at all. Provide some evidence please. A shred will do. And I remind you, his comments were over the fact Sainsbury's set up black only spaces for employees to get away from white people...
"I don't understand this decision at all" thats because you are an imbecile.
Isn't Fox homosexual?
The BBC has been more than happy to give Lawrence Fox a platform in the past helping to build his image.
If it was me no way nein going to happen do not do it laurance fox and refuse to apologise same as Lee Anderson
Once you have grasped the essentials of the English language, especially punctuation, try reading this message: I don't think 2 of the UK's leading fascists really need the support of semi-literate bully-worshippers..
Don't get too excited.
Ordinary UK citizens (the vast majority) would get nothing if they were defamed in the same way.
He started off with a good point on question time but damn has he got everything else so wrong since. He should have just kept to acting. Can't go round saying things like this.
After that incident he was effectively 'cancelled' and so has been unable to act. His career was ended by that totally unsubstantiated accusation, hence this case where he tried to make others aware of the consequences that the same baseless accusations might have on them. If you look into this case you realise that the validation of accusations of 'Racism' against Fox all go back to that appearance on Question Time. Seems like you would agree that is unfair?
Looool the clowns 🤡 are winning
Another twisted America over here peddling filth.
But Fox is British. Are you confused?
@@jimmeltonbradley1497 no but you are,especially about your sexuality. Honey. 🪱
I thought it was Canadian?
@@stringer-ik1pcYou seem to be confused about other people's sexuality
More bbc bias 🙄
bozo
doctor zelensky is the problem
We should ALL be concerned as to why our national broadcaster covers this story and excludes the whole context. Fox was responding to the slur of being labelled 'racist' by these people by replying with what he felt was an equally damaging slur. Is this journalistic ineptitude or political bias?