Back then it was pretty common to have overprotective fathers in fiction. Most of the time the reason for their restrictive behaviour was just reduced to "that's what parents are like", which is a really shallow trope. But if you are in Michael's shoes, you totally get why he acts that way. If I was separated from my son for eight years and would land on a dangerous island with lotsa strangers right when I was finally about to spend some time with him, I would be terrified to lose him again. I love how this show subverted or deconstructed all sorts of character tropes before it became popular.
@@buzzkillington6945 Might be but that character was clearly written as a villain and HE knows he's bad. Walt's mom keeps acting as if she was doing the right thing and is blind to her own faults.
@@ianwestc Oh, absolutely. Lost very rarely deals in absolutes and all characters have their good and bad side. Jacob's logic was flawed and MiB had a good reason to do what he did.
I checked and the big dipper can be seen from the southern hemisphere, but it can only be seen in its entirety from north of the 23rd parallel. Parts of it can be seen to an increasingly lesser degree the further south you go. That's assuming it was in fact the big dipper. I couldn't really tell watching on my phone (sorry). But that may give you an idea of where the island is located.
When you are stuck on an island with monsters and no foreseeable rescue and your expertise/skillset is in building... sooner or later you are probably gonna build a raft.
Michael is actually one of the purest people in the show before arriving to the island. Unlike most characters that had major moral flaws in the flashbacks, Michael was simply doing bad financially. Morally he was an A+ not being selfish or hurting anyone else. He even sacrificed what he most desired (Walt) for the opportunity that Walt could lead a happier life. He wasn't killing people or conning people or beating people up or cheating and doing drugs and drnking and extorting people or nothing. He was just a loving dad out of work. Out of everyone they've shown thus far Mike was a class act. He had waaaay more than one redeeming quality.
@@palinozog658 Yeah that’s true but that doesn’t excuse some of his actions on island. I do admit he’s literally unproblematic off island but on island he’s the worst sometimes
His "only" redeeming quality? Seriously? Are we expected to believe this nonsense that the other Losties had more redeeming qualities than Michael? Because I'm not buying that crap.
You are using the viewer's knowledge of Locke to color Michael's reactions to Locke. Michael does not know of Locke's "connection" to the Island that appears to exist. he does not know that Locke was paralyzed or that he was face to face with the Monster. Why should Michael trust Walt with Locke? All he knows is that Locke tried to get on Michael's good side by giving him the credit for getting Vincent back, possibly for less than altruistic purposes.
What connection to the island? Locke didn't know squat about that island, other than it cured his legs. That is the only reason he realized it was special. But so did Rose, whose cancer was removed by the island. I guess she had a "special connection" to the island as well. Jin became fertile, thanks to the island, and was able to conceive a child with Sun. Did he have a "special connection"? Although Ben became ill from the cancer on his spine, guess who dropped out of the sky not long after he had learned about his cancer? A spinal surgeon from Los Angeles.
Reading many of the comments for this episode made me realize how bigoted a lot of LOST fans. Many of them had demanded that Michael behave like the perfect parent, despite his lack of experience in the role. And they saw nothing wrong with Locke teaching Walt how to use a dangerous weapon without Michael's permission. What Locke did was wrong. Yet because he was white and Michael was black, very few people had a problem with Locke's actions regarding Walt.
Walt was complaining about having to learn about birds native to Australia since they were in Australia. So that bird is common in Australia. Not that impressive a magic ability, really, when you think about it.
@@ianwestc What an arrogant man. He really thought that was a good excuse to dismiss Michael's concerns about Walt or not to ask Michael to teach Walt how to use a machete. Very arrogant and very controlling.
I don't get y Shannon gets singled out all the time(cause she's attractive af?) Cause there's lots of ppl that don't help and some that usually actively hinder what ppl are trying to do.(sawyer) She's probably like that cause a) she is privileged. and b) no one believes in her. I'm not saying she's perfect or anything but there's definitely other ppl who are just as bad or worse than her. Like Boone isn't a bad guy but for most of the season he's either in the way or makes things worse by trying to "help". Idk if it's just me but I'd rather someone stay out of the way than make things worse by "helping"
To this point in the show Sawyer has killed a bear saving 5 peoples' lives, tried to mercy kill someone no one else wanted to, physically saved Michael from Jin drowning him, discovered locations (such as the waterfall), located and confirmed dead people that were missing (waterfall lake) and been wrongfully tortured. He also chops most of the wood the camp uses which is confirmed in multiple times throughout the show. When danger enters the camp (like the boars) he is one of the people that everyone looks to. Shannon is human trash. Selfish entitled island Karen. When people go hunting and come back without Locke who Boone indicates may have died her only response is 'so they didn't bring the food?' Complete piece of shit character. Cast her perfect. Everyone i've ever seen act like that- looks like that.
@@palinozog658 ok? Most of those examples are useless or a by product of him helping himself. Which he does a lot and which I'd argue he is just as, possibly even more selfish than she is. Only she's just entitled, he's an asshole who purposely and knowingly keeps stuff for himself when everyone else shares. Which actually seems pretty entitled coincidentally. N yea she's not very helpful like I stated in the previous comment but at least she's not working against the other survivors which sawyer does often enough. Like the whole asthma med plotline. Wasting everyone's time and practically forcing Kate to kiss him on a ruse while someone's suffering... yea he's such a super guy(at this point in the show).
@@takeshikovacs7629 We aren't going to agree. You are the type to attribute a persons actions to another, hence the 'he practically forced Kate' and the 'he wasted everyone's time'. Kate does what she wants. He presented her a choice. The rest of the group wasted their own time as he indicated up front he didn't have the inhaler. They didn't believe him and spent the episode colluding and plotting, then kidnapping and torturing him... for no reason. He didn't 'make' them do that. Personal responsibility.
@@palinozog658 so those are false statements? He could have told them he didn't have it instead of letting them assume by not denying it. Even if they didn't believe him he could have let them look through his stuff to be sure. N its not like I hate sawyer or anything. I find him more annoying in the 1st season comparatively. But the whole point of my original comment was pointing out that despite being somewhat similar(both shitty ppl) most ppl(from my experience) give Shannon shit while acknowledging sawyer is a big asshole but still well liked(at least seems to be the majority of female opinions.. less so for male opinions but still more than makes sense to me). And i find it slightly annoying✌
@@takeshikovacs7629 Sawyer and Shannon both have bad personalities, but Shannon is also a bad person. I'd say she is the most selfish person on the entire show- because in every episode she is in she does something selfish (every single one) and she is selfish both on and off the island, present and flashback. Sawyer is a jerk when he determines that an event has little or nothing to do with him, but in any situation that he can be of any use he doesn't need to be pushed he actually volunteers. i.e. they waste their own time with him over the inhaler cause he never had it, but when Boone is injured he gives up ALL the liquor and medicine right away cause he isnt a bad man just an a-hole.
Christ, I hate Michael in the first half of this episode. His son goes to talk to someone and he starts screaming at him, blaming him, threating him with a knife and threatens to kill him, all unprovoked, and decides it's okay for him to do all of that because he's a father and being protective. It's like the writers took everything awful about that parent mentality and made Michael an embodiment of it.
It's so important to you to brand Michael as the bad guy, isn't it? However, I noticed that you didn't criticize Locke for teaching Walt how to use a dangerous weapon WITHOUT MICHAEL'S PERMISSION. Was it was okay to you that he would do such a thing? I guess being portrayed by a black actor didn't help in your eyes.
@@DRush76 lol I shouldn’t even respond, cause your either bating or delusional😅 nothing to do with race here lol sigh. Just commenting on John doing a really nice thing for him with the dog and michaels “initial” selfishness. He tried to pawn him off on his mom just at the airport before. I even feel for Michael because that’s a lot to take in at once. It’s funny u take it this far tho, even to someone (me) who actually loves michaels “redemption” arc and ends up feeling rly bad for him. he tries so hard to help Walt, a tragic soul. And yeah with the knife, maybe not the best, but he was left alone a lot, like when he golfed, and u gotta learn to defend against the elements of the island.. but again I agree maybe not the best without asking, but I enjoyed it still. Also they are fictional characters and your allowed to point out flaws with any and all characters.. regardless of race. Nobody is perfect lol
Honestly I did not like this episode. I guess it was because I don’t really like Michael. HOWEVER Walt’s mom is a POS for depriving Walt of a life he could’ve had with his father. BTW I LOVE Boone’s poker card shirt. 😐
@@juanitajones6900 Where in my comment did I ever say Michael was 'the perfect parent?" Hmm? First of all the episode was very boring and felt like a filler episode and lastly. Michael is a selfish, and shortsighted person with a lot of tunnel vision who only thinks of himself and his needs not thinking about the overall long term effect it will have on him and his child. Every action that he has taken since crashing on the island has been selfish in the expense of everyone else on the Island. The overall longterm consequences for his destructive actions has caused real harm to everyone around him. So what if I don't like him. What's it to you? Why does it bother you so much that I don't like him. I have every right not to like somebody. 😐
@@TJMalana Michael is selfish and short-sighted? You dumped this accusation on Michael and no one else? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you so blinded by your dislike of him that you had failed to noticed the selfishness and short-sightedness of the other major characters? Why are you dumping these complaints on Michael and no one else?
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Back then it was pretty common to have overprotective fathers in fiction. Most of the time the reason for their restrictive behaviour was just reduced to "that's what parents are like", which is a really shallow trope. But if you are in Michael's shoes, you totally get why he acts that way. If I was separated from my son for eight years and would land on a dangerous island with lotsa strangers right when I was finally about to spend some time with him, I would be terrified to lose him again. I love how this show subverted or deconstructed all sorts of character tropes before it became popular.
"Back then"...??...LOL!
@@malcolmdrake6137 17 years are a long time ago.
@@malcolmdrake6137 When it comes to TV a decade is a lot of time.
Oh wow... your theories and thoughts... you’re definitely thinking about and connecting all the right things so far... keep them coming!
Sawyer's nicknames in this episode:
"Has Been Pop Star" for Charlie
"Little Limey Runt" for Charlie
"Missy Claire" for Claire
Obi-wan kenobi
Ah, yes. Walt's mother... She's literally THE worst person in the entire show. There's nothing redeeming about her.
I think we are forgetting about a certain person's father...
@@buzzkillington6945 Might be but that character was clearly written as a villain and HE knows he's bad. Walt's mom keeps acting as if she was doing the right thing and is blind to her own faults.
@@MatiZ815 I would apply that same characterization to (SEASON 5&6 spoilers!!!) Jacob as well.
@@ianwestc Oh, absolutely. Lost very rarely deals in absolutes and all characters have their good and bad side. Jacob's logic was flawed and MiB had a good reason to do what he did.
Absolutely!!
Hahaha... I remember Kim running out of Mom's living room a few times when you watched Game of Thrones... lol...
Written by: David Fury
Directed by: Greg Yaitanes
I checked and the big dipper can be seen from the southern hemisphere, but it can only be seen in its entirety from north of the 23rd parallel. Parts of it can be seen to an increasingly lesser degree the further south you go. That's assuming it was in fact the big dipper. I couldn't really tell watching on my phone (sorry). But that may give you an idea of where the island is located.
Besides that, Brian didn't want to keep Walt beacuse he already knew that there was something "special" about him
Building a raft in the Pacific without knowing exactly where you are is like putting a gun to your head.
It's unbelievably vast.
Nobody ever said Michael makes the best of decisions.
When you are stuck on an island with monsters and no foreseeable rescue and your expertise/skillset is in building... sooner or later you are probably gonna build a raft.
I don't recall any of the other castaways arguing against Michael's plan.
Michaels one and only redeeming quality is him always making sure to never trash talk Walt’s mom or Brian no matter how shitty they are in reality.
Exactly, I just noticed it. Even though she was a horrible person, he doesn't wanna spoil Walt's memory of her.
And his love for Walt (which is why he does everything he does in the series, good or bad).. but that kinda goes without sayin' ❤
Michael is actually one of the purest people in the show before arriving to the island. Unlike most characters that had major moral flaws in the flashbacks, Michael was simply doing bad financially. Morally he was an A+ not being selfish or hurting anyone else. He even sacrificed what he most desired (Walt) for the opportunity that Walt could lead a happier life. He wasn't killing people or conning people or beating people up or cheating and doing drugs and drnking and extorting people or nothing. He was just a loving dad out of work. Out of everyone they've shown thus far Mike was a class act. He had waaaay more than one redeeming quality.
@@palinozog658 Yeah that’s true but that doesn’t excuse some of his actions on island. I do admit he’s literally unproblematic off island but on island he’s the worst sometimes
His "only" redeeming quality? Seriously? Are we expected to believe this nonsense that the other Losties had more redeeming qualities than Michael? Because I'm not buying that crap.
You are using the viewer's knowledge of Locke to color Michael's reactions to Locke. Michael does not know of Locke's "connection" to the Island that appears to exist. he does not know that Locke was paralyzed or that he was face to face with the Monster. Why should Michael trust Walt with Locke? All he knows is that Locke tried to get on Michael's good side by giving him the credit for getting Vincent back, possibly for less than altruistic purposes.
What connection to the island? Locke didn't know squat about that island, other than it cured his legs. That is the only reason he realized it was special. But so did Rose, whose cancer was removed by the island. I guess she had a "special connection" to the island as well. Jin became fertile, thanks to the island, and was able to conceive a child with Sun. Did he have a "special connection"? Although Ben became ill from the cancer on his spine, guess who dropped out of the sky not long after he had learned about his cancer? A spinal surgeon from Los Angeles.
You think Michael treats Walt like a kid because he is only 10 years old?
Yes exactly! A 10 year old still IS a child...don't understand why anyone would think otherwise.
F***ing magnets. How do they work?
Was that comic done by Isaac?🤔 Hello guys.
Reading many of the comments for this episode made me realize how bigoted a lot of LOST fans. Many of them had demanded that Michael behave like the perfect parent, despite his lack of experience in the role. And they saw nothing wrong with Locke teaching Walt how to use a dangerous weapon without Michael's permission. What Locke did was wrong. Yet because he was white and Michael was black, very few people had a problem with Locke's actions regarding Walt.
Walt was complaining about having to learn about birds native to Australia since they were in Australia. So that bird is common in Australia. Not that impressive a magic ability, really, when you think about it.
Why does Locke feel like he can do whatever he wants with Walt ?
Because he thinks they're both "special," and believes you should not be allowed to hold special people back.
@@ianwestc What an arrogant man. He really thought that was a good excuse to dismiss Michael's concerns about Walt or not to ask Michael to teach Walt how to use a machete. Very arrogant and very controlling.
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I don't get y Shannon gets singled out all the time(cause she's attractive af?) Cause there's lots of ppl that don't help and some that usually actively hinder what ppl are trying to do.(sawyer) She's probably like that cause a) she is privileged. and b) no one believes in her. I'm not saying she's perfect or anything but there's definitely other ppl who are just as bad or worse than her. Like Boone isn't a bad guy but for most of the season he's either in the way or makes things worse by trying to "help". Idk if it's just me but I'd rather someone stay out of the way than make things worse by "helping"
To this point in the show Sawyer has killed a bear saving 5 peoples' lives, tried to mercy kill someone no one else wanted to, physically saved Michael from Jin drowning him, discovered locations (such as the waterfall), located and confirmed dead people that were missing (waterfall lake) and been wrongfully tortured. He also chops most of the wood the camp uses which is confirmed in multiple times throughout the show. When danger enters the camp (like the boars) he is one of the people that everyone looks to. Shannon is human trash. Selfish entitled island Karen. When people go hunting and come back without Locke who Boone indicates may have died her only response is 'so they didn't bring the food?' Complete piece of shit character. Cast her perfect. Everyone i've ever seen act like that- looks like that.
@@palinozog658 ok? Most of those examples are useless or a by product of him helping himself. Which he does a lot and which I'd argue he is just as, possibly even more selfish than she is. Only she's just entitled, he's an asshole who purposely and knowingly keeps stuff for himself when everyone else shares. Which actually seems pretty entitled coincidentally. N yea she's not very helpful like I stated in the previous comment but at least she's not working against the other survivors which sawyer does often enough. Like the whole asthma med plotline. Wasting everyone's time and practically forcing Kate to kiss him on a ruse while someone's suffering... yea he's such a super guy(at this point in the show).
@@takeshikovacs7629 We aren't going to agree. You are the type to attribute a persons actions to another, hence the 'he practically forced Kate' and the 'he wasted everyone's time'. Kate does what she wants. He presented her a choice. The rest of the group wasted their own time as he indicated up front he didn't have the inhaler. They didn't believe him and spent the episode colluding and plotting, then kidnapping and torturing him... for no reason. He didn't 'make' them do that. Personal responsibility.
@@palinozog658 so those are false statements? He could have told them he didn't have it instead of letting them assume by not denying it. Even if they didn't believe him he could have let them look through his stuff to be sure. N its not like I hate sawyer or anything. I find him more annoying in the 1st season comparatively. But the whole point of my original comment was pointing out that despite being somewhat similar(both shitty ppl) most ppl(from my experience) give Shannon shit while acknowledging sawyer is a big asshole but still well liked(at least seems to be the majority of female opinions.. less so for male opinions but still more than makes sense to me). And i find it slightly annoying✌
@@takeshikovacs7629 Sawyer and Shannon both have bad personalities, but Shannon is also a bad person. I'd say she is the most selfish person on the entire show- because in every episode she is in she does something selfish (every single one) and she is selfish both on and off the island, present and flashback. Sawyer is a jerk when he determines that an event has little or nothing to do with him, but in any situation that he can be of any use he doesn't need to be pushed he actually volunteers. i.e. they waste their own time with him over the inhaler cause he never had it, but when Boone is injured he gives up ALL the liquor and medicine right away cause he isnt a bad man just an a-hole.
not enough episodes c'mon...
Christ, I hate Michael in the first half of this episode. His son goes to talk to someone and he starts screaming at him, blaming him, threating him with a knife and threatens to kill him, all unprovoked, and decides it's okay for him to do all of that because he's a father and being protective.
It's like the writers took everything awful about that parent mentality and made Michael an embodiment of it.
John Locke found walts dog and gave Michael the credit! But Michael was jealous from the start, thinking of himself instead of his sons best interests
It's so important to you to brand Michael as the bad guy, isn't it? However, I noticed that you didn't criticize Locke for teaching Walt how to use a dangerous weapon WITHOUT MICHAEL'S PERMISSION. Was it was okay to you that he would do such a thing? I guess being portrayed by a black actor didn't help in your eyes.
@@DRush76 lol I shouldn’t even respond, cause your either bating or delusional😅 nothing to do with race here lol sigh. Just commenting on John doing a really nice thing for him with the dog and michaels “initial” selfishness. He tried to pawn him off on his mom just at the airport before. I even feel for Michael because that’s a lot to take in at once. It’s funny u take it this far tho, even to someone (me) who actually loves michaels “redemption” arc and ends up feeling rly bad for him. he tries so hard to help Walt, a tragic soul. And yeah with the knife, maybe not the best, but he was left alone a lot, like when he golfed, and u gotta learn to defend against the elements of the island.. but again I agree maybe not the best without asking, but I enjoyed it still. Also they are fictional characters and your allowed to point out flaws with any and all characters.. regardless of race. Nobody is perfect lol
Season 1 to Season 3 were the best seasons, then I stopped watching it. Shocking drop in quality.
I don't agree with that assessment. I think Season 1 was among the best. But I have mixed feelings about Seasons 2 and 3.
Honestly I did not like this episode. I guess it was because I don’t really like Michael. HOWEVER Walt’s mom is a POS for depriving Walt of a life he could’ve had with his father. BTW I LOVE Boone’s poker card shirt. 😐
Why didn't you like Michael? Because he wasn't the perfect parent? There's no such thing.
@@juanitajones6900 Where in my comment did I ever say Michael was 'the perfect parent?" Hmm? First of all the episode was very boring and felt like a filler episode and lastly. Michael is a selfish, and shortsighted person with a lot of tunnel vision who only thinks of himself and his needs not thinking about the overall long term effect it will have on him and his child. Every action that he has taken since crashing on the island has been selfish in the expense of everyone else on the Island. The overall longterm consequences for his destructive actions has caused real harm to everyone around him. So what if I don't like him. What's it to you? Why does it bother you so much that I don't like him. I have every right not to like somebody. 😐
@@TJMalana Michael is selfish and short-sighted? You dumped this accusation on Michael and no one else? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you so blinded by your dislike of him that you had failed to noticed the selfishness and short-sightedness of the other major characters? Why are you dumping these complaints on Michael and no one else?