@@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 Not to mention how people blame Ethan for no reasons. His wife blames Ethan for not protecting Jason, even though she did nothing while Ethan got run over. Scott considered Ethan to be a dad who didn’t sacrifice himself to save his son after Ethan sacrificed himself to save his son.
@@nont18411Shelby's motivation is one of the worst written things in this story. He kidnaps Shaun to test whether Ethan would be willing to sacrifice himself for his son... inspired by witnessing Ethan, without hesitatiom, jump in front of a car to protect his son. And it'd have been so easy to fix - just have Ethan not jump, or jump too late. Ethan being in a coma did nothing for the story except iirc the timeline gets fucked up because some kidnappings/kills fall into the timeframe Ethan was in a coma. David Cage is so bad at writing.
Fun Fact: This game is implied to take place in Philadelphia. Not really that interesting as a fact I guess but it meant a lot to me since I live very close to the city myself. That part in the game with the chase through the market is actually a real place in Philly called The Reading Terminal, which has a ton of locally famous restaurants and stores. Great review as always, by the by. I really hate all of Cage's games except this one. It's not a good game, but it has its charm. I guess it's more of a guilty pleasure for me.
Yea as a Pennsylvanian it’s nice to see another game take place in my home area. Same reason my guilty pleasure is homefront the revolution, because it takes place in PA
@@stuglife5514 I had no idea homefront took place there! I always thought that more open world games should take place in Philly, mainly because there is so much interesting history there. Plus there's the added bonus of it feeling like home to me.
Love the video, Scott! And I usually am bored by long reviews. I also note that, aside from the cheesiness of the plot twist, its also notorious the cheesiness of the RED HERRING. All the implying that Ethan might be the Origami Killer, with increasingly weird signs of that being the case, and then David just shrugs it off and moves on to other things lol
That was originally going to be the twist and the reason why Ethan passes out in the park was because he was Possessed by the origami killer but then David Cage decided not to go with it because he didn’t want any supernatural elements but he was too lazy to change the script so he just left the lines in where Ethan knows
The best thing about Heavy Rain was the Taxidermist DLC. Totally creeped me out and had me on the edge of my seat. I liked Heavy Rain on my 1st and only playthrough back when it got released. It was overhyped and a let-down though and all the criticism it got over the past decade is justifiable. PS This review is very well made and great fun ! Glad I discovered your channel through watching AGG`s Live Stream of the The Colonel's Bequest.
This video is absolutely perfect. I laughed so hard. Editing is top notch, and you nailed everything about it. I love and hate Derpy Brain and Beyawn: Two Bores. While playing these games, I would laugh at the ridiculousness and nonsense of these games, and mock it while I played it alone, then I decided to make what I call “roast plays.” Where I tear it apart. But I also point out what I like about the games. I’m about half done. The cuts where you play that “all around me are familiar faces” with David Cage’s face gets me every time! 😂 I despise the “twist” ending so freaking much. Once I get to that point, I’ll give your video a shout out. It deserves way more views and appreciation.
Oh hey!! Thank you for your kind words and I'm stoked you found this video. In fact I was watching your let's play of Detroit when I was making that video so it's cool that you checked this out!
@@dragio23234 I respect your opinion. I honestly think people that take it personally and get angry at people who don't like what they like is kind of douchey. I believe to each his own, there's no accounting for taste.
@@dragio23234 all you said was he “trashed the game” and you got salty and offended. You may think it was an “error” needing to be “corrected” but that doesn’t mean it is. That’s an _opinion._ HIS opinion. You don’t have to agree with him, but don’t get all pissed off with people who have a different opinion than you do, that’s all. But I’m not here to tell you what to do. You’re free to keep that attitude, just be aware people might avoid discussing their likes and dislikes with you for fear of you losing your temper and you won’t be fun to talk to.
Love the video, have to admit the first time I played the game it was a blast but any other time I try to play it again I had pretty much the same thoughts as this video. Just curious, what music did you use at 30:47
i heard heavy rain was great like 10 years ago and i tend to enjoy unconventional storytelling. i remember enjoying edith finch, dear esther, etc. quite a bit and expected that sort of experience. the difference is that this story is so poorly written and trite. you get the feeling people who loved this game were pretty simple
Amazing video. This game is god fucking awful even without pointing out the gaping plot hole - why the fuck does Ethan black out and have origami in his hand??? Is it seriously just a plot device so that you suspect Ethan and not Shelby? Yikes.
I have a very unique relationship with this game that I feel proves there is some kind of God: It starts when I was about 14-5 and the game was about to release in stores. I was so hyped to buy and play this game, I could not wait. However, my parents (who watched horror films with me, bought me violent games and watched adult comedy with me from a young age) for some reason told me that didn't want me to have the game (they had watched the trailer and were shocked by the rape dream scene). I don't know why but at the time I kind of just accepted their decision, I didn't argue with them or even get upset. I just said "okay" and I think they went out and bought me another game (weird for a teenager. Maybe I knew my parents were liberal so I was shocked they said no for once so I didn't have a chance to sulk). Later on in like I noticed my favourite RUclipsrs (TwoBestFriends R.I.P) started playing the game. All the hype came back to me. Then I followed their let's play and slowly saw what my parents had saved me from. As a younger person I know I would have fallen for the crappy plot and probably defend it now due to nostalgia. But thanks to the only time my parents ever stopped me from playing a game I was in a better critical position to see the games flaws and have had more fun laughing at Cage games than I ever would have had playing them. There must truly be a higher power.
I beat it today, and got the worst possible ending. The worst part of the game? It wasn’t my fault. My biggest complaint in the game is that when I’m being rushed and have little time to do something until my character dies, I’ll think less. I tried to save Lauren but accidentally hit the wrong button and escaped leaving her underwater. This isn’t what I wanted to do but because both buttons were next to each other I just picked the one I thought was right
If you truly believe that Heavy Rain is a "good" game I have pity for you. Everything from the ridiculous controls to execute actions, to the way the characters glitch right in front of you makes this game an easy "no". Voices randomly bug out and don't sync throughout gameplay AND cutscenes. Like watching a bad Japanese movie. All this "nitpicking" really plays a huge role in the way each character could have embraced you had the dev's actually played their game once through. These problems pull you out of that immersion and really make you feel as though you're playing a video game rather an actual story.
I liked the game. I played it way back when it was next gen, and it was incredible .... for me. The story was also good imo. The 10 year younger me liked it back then. I have a memory of this game like the following: this was an epic game, i loved it. And i dont wanna change my good memories and opinion of it. Thx
i always thought that the story should have been shelby still being the killer but also being Ethan's brother or friend or maybe even his dad, and just how you said, the police would blame Ethan for jason's death (probably being something like ethan actually turned Jason's head into the wheel making his death make sense) and he would get a few years in prison before getting released and moving back in with Shelby and shawn in a shitty little flat until suddenly one night shawn just disappears and Scott is convinced that the origami killer is the one responsible for his disappearance (because he's still the killer). With that, maybe Ethan would team up with his reporter friend or previous crush or wife, Madison, to find where Shawn could be because Ethan doesn't trust the police but at the same time understands why they imprisoned him, all while Shelby is in the shadows, covering his tracks and silently torturing Ethan, maybe a motive could even be that he was like the hated child and Ethan was the loved one (I don't know just writing down my stupid thoughts here). And the FBI agent, Norman Who Gives A Shit, would be a background character who is a friend of Shelby and is unknowingly helping his plan in some way. Ethan would go through all of the traps and stuff, do some other shit, whatever, and then get to Shawn where Shelby was waiting for him with a police sqwad to arrest him or something unless you got a good ending where Ethan finds out that Shelby is the killer and would expose him right there. I just realized how long I've been writing this bullocks, god I need some sleep oh and the *Are you alright?* would still be in there 100%
"The worst games in my eyes are the ones which are boring or do nothing to push the proverbial bow out". He says as half life gameplay is shown. Gotta give it to you, you have some serious balls.
I like when somebody is crticizes popular games but this is constant hating on the game because you don't like it. So i consider this as not good review.
Jason death was always so infuriating to me Like David Cage knows the difference between how a 9 year old would act and how a 4 year old would act Because it's like the red balloon reduced Jason mental age to 4
i mean apparently jason was originally supposed to be about 5 years old but they aged him up bcs they didn’t want to show the death of such a young child, but yeah the whole things still pretty stupid
@@pickledidiot4569 If they were going to change his age then they should have thought a bit harder about it. Give him mental disabilities or something, even though it looks like he has those anyway.
heavy rain is one of those games that was MADE for let’s players. i CANNOT get enough of seasoned entertainers who have played hundreds of great games reacting to jason dying from being merely in the presence of a slowly moving car
Call me crazy, but I feel this has potential as a movie. The themes are intriguing enough to attract some people who have never heard of the game before to think “this movie’s gonna be so good”. Of course, there would have to be some major changes: - Ethan’s blackouts are one of the biggest plotholes in the entire game. I’d either bring back the psychic link between Ethan and Scott-making it so Ethan suspects himself on account of him going crazy-or cut it out entirely. - A lot of Madison’s character needs to be reworked badly. The constant “girl-power” theme beating the audience over the head for a character introduced in a shower scene is damn-near comical. Just tone it down to her just being a strong female lead without constantly mentioning it. I’m not even gonna try and touch the Blue Lagoon scene in this comment, I know my limits. - Maybe this is a little controversial, but I honestly like how Scott was handled. He’s shown as a caring figure, but the reveal shows it’s out of a sort-of vengeance. If I had a choice, I’d also make the girl that tags along with him (forgot her name) die in the car. Sorry. - I enjoy Jayden as a character. His struggle with Triptocane is honestly a nice side struggle he has to deal with. Please keep in mind that I’m not a writer or critic, just someone who thinks Heavy Rain has potential.
Boy, do I remember the hype train around this one being extremely over-the-top. And seeing it play out like a much more dull take on what Telltale was doing definitely means I won't be picking this up any time soon. Another great video though! It really helped put it all in context
It seems like the DC hype cycle is a lot alike Sonic's. One comes out it's lauded as the "best game 5ever" then neck bearded tossers like myself tell them it's shit lol
I genuinely don’t think I’ve played a worse game. But it has a 10/10 entertainment value . Never have laughed out loud in a game like a I did this one. If nothing else it spawned some hilarious memes.
Damn now that you mention it, i dont think i know what i'd put as the worst game i've ever played. Worst ENDING however always has and always will be: Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle (Genesis). And by extension, the whole game itself. Fuck Alex Kidd
I played it with my friends while high as kites, and we spent like an hour just fucking about with the controls and animations, laughing our asses off - funniest thing is that we pretty much only played up to Jason's death.
20:08 originally in the script Ethan and Shelby would have had some sort of psychic link that is why Ethan wakes up in the rain with an origami. Funny thing they left the origami scene so nothing makes sense. I played this game as a kid so I do like it but I understand why people would hate it. The music is pretty good as well and I think I like Heavy Rain the best out of all of David Cage's games.
In hindsight I feel like i may have been too harsh on this game. I do like the idea of the story in concept, but It's the storytelling that completely fails.
@@ScottsGameAsylumit’s really not all that bad. There’s cheese with some of the casting choices and inconsistencies and plot holes but then there are some moments of genuinely compelling ideas. It’s like… pizza. It isn’t the most innovative genius thing ever invented, but it’s pretty good. Even when it’s kinda bad. I just replayed it for the first time in like.. 10ish years and while it’s no landmark in storytelling through video games, it’s at least a very entertaining playthrough. Might have a soft spot for it considering my nostalgia and having first played it back when I was like 15 but it still sits nicely in the “guilty pleasure” section for me
@@ScottsGameAsylumall that said I know you had a job to do here. And railing into the game for its faults is far more entertaining than trying to give a nuanced take on a decent story with heavily flawed execution. Also David cage is a twat so… have at him honestly
It’s hard to articulate why I dislike this game. It may just be one thing. I was pissed off about the Shelby twist. When Scott discovers the body, you think the killer snuck in there and did it. This act automatically removes Shelby off the list of suspects, of who could be the origami killer indefinitely. We were shown that he just turned the corner and the body was laying there. The whole point of the game was trying to figure out who the killer was and that’s what was supposed to be fun about it. I “immediately” felt cheated, when they showed something that didn’t play out the way we seen it. The best way I can put it is like, It’s an unfair advantage the developers have with the story. We’re gathering clues, so when they edit what we see, they’re essentially tampering with evidence we’ve collected. My second point, I want to post. I don’t like snobs, David Cage needs to drop his elitist attitude with his games and about what he considers art. I’ve been moved more emotionally by Call of Duty. The biggest thing I felt from this, was disappointment.
"It's hard to articulate" imo it isn't even that. The game sacrificed gameplay and everything for its characters and story, and the characters and story were pure shit. He made it basically an interactive movie to focus on plot and characters, and then completely bungled that. And I agree. David Cage is a witless provocateur. A talentless hack. A snobby "artiste". Like, even if you e.g. hate tlou 2's story and think Druckmann is a hack writer, the game still is beautiful to look at and damn fun to play. Heavy rain doesn't even have that.
You know, there's one additional thing about the twist that really annoyed me. DC gave the playable characters thoughts to fill the "downtime" and playing as Scott there are a lot of thoughts that really shouldn't be there and make no sense considering he is the killer. So either DC and QD have absolutely no clue how people think, or Scott knows he's in a video game and tries to fool the player because who needs a fourth wall, am I right?. Probably both. Anyway I implore you to not try out Omikron, it will break you as it did the Super Best Friends (R.I.P)
This is my favorite game. I now its got a lot of plotholes but playing it as a kid will never leave me. Ive never enjoyed a tragic story as much as this one, and im a sucker for horror and tragedy. Im getting the post station statue tattooed on my leg soon. If only they spent a little more time on this one.. Ethan Mars was the birth to my love of writing.
I’m currently replaying it and it really entertains me. It has obvious flaws and you really feel the 12 years it has on its back, but I still really like it. Despite all the unintended goofy stuff, I really appreciate Cage’s games.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Ive replayed it 10 times over and I still feel like I need to play it again before I decide what im getting tattooed. Love it too much.
I loved Heavy Rain when it came out. Completed it with all endings and did the Platinum trophy. But, not played it since. LOL I do agree with most of your points though, regardless. But mate, seriously, exceptionally good video making here. Bravo.
One thing you have missed are the plotholes. Ethan having dreams of kids drowning. The plotholes did have an answer, that being supernatural elements, scenes of that were made but were cut... Likely due to David realizing he already made a bad decision with including supernatural elements in Fahrenheit. When he cut all of the super natural nonsense in heavy rain, he forgot to fix the plotholes and remove the lines that refer to the super natural sh!t. Point of all of this is that David is growing. Slowly and in strange places, but growing.
It's even worse than that. There's an ingerview where one of the devs said they had to actively atop David's full writing from coming to fruition. David realized nothing, the company makes better gsmes only when everyone curbs his ideas.
He certainly was growing in strange places when he gave Madison Paige like 5 nude scenes (TOTALLY OPTIONAL…. if ur a nerd. Lemnr see them polygonal tiddies)
I agree. The story sucks so bad, is extremely unoriginal and filled to the brim with plot-holes. Makes me ask myself how David Cage went from this to Detroit: Become Human.
To be fair, he had a co-writer by the name of Adam Williams helping him out with Detroit: Become Human's story....Heavy Rain, on the other hand, was _entirely_ written by him. So, yeah :P
@Big B here ya go: 1. If you make sure that Madison survives to the hospital scene near the end, she (but not you) is told the identity of the Origami Killer. Understandably, she is shocked and aghast at the name she hears being associated with such atrocities. Not understandably, she and said killer have never met in the game at this point, and in fact are completely unaware of each other’s existence. She’s reacting to nothing, which becomes even more face-palm-worthy when she scootsimmediately round to his house. 2. While investigating the Origami Killer, private eye Shelby interviews several parents of murdered kids and collects key evidence and messages sent to them by said mysterious child-offer. Question: Why the hell have these parents still got hold of this stuff? Why didn’t give they these clues to the police during the investigations? Did they want their kids to be killed? And if they did hand them in, why haven’t the police still got them in the (still open) case file? Did they give them back as souvenirs when the bodies were found? No wonder they can't catch the killer if they keep giving evidence away. 3. If Ethan iscaptured and taken in for questioning by the police,a potential set-piece opens up that's so ludicrousthat you'll scratch your head 'til your brain bleeds. For evidence of its stupidity, try the following in real life.Go into a police station of your choice. Find a really important, high-profile suspect in a holding cell. They’re bound to have one knocking around. Help him escape, but make sure you have a conversation with a third-party immediately beforehand, and make sure that the content of that conversation will tie you to the crime without question. Then see if you get away with it. If you do, get a job at said police station, make yourself unpopular to the point that the corrupt powers-that-be are desperate for an excuse to get rid of you, then try it again. If you’re still working in your office, completely uninterrupted, a few days later and the police have started a second huge manhunt without once even questioning how said suspect escaped in the first place, congratulations. You are Norman Jayden. 4. Speaking of manhunts, the whole case against Ethan which takes up much of the second half is a farce. The evidence that makes him the definite, absolute, couldn’t-be-anyone-else, number-one suspect in a high-profile murder case? Nothing more than some highly circumstantial hearsay and tittle-tattle about black-outs and bad dreams, from his ex and his psychiatrist (tittle-tattle that in that latter case has to be beaten out of the unwilling source). We know that the cops are looking for a scapegoat, but making public claims of guilt and holding a press conference to celebratethe capture of a notorious serial killer without ever bothering to build any kind of a case against him is the simplistic and lazy thinking of a nine-year old. Even bad movie cops wouldn’t do that 5. Ethan’s blackouts can be explained as a sympton of the trauma he suffered when hit by the car, but what’s with all the false-lead origami models he keeps waking up with? Was the killer following him 24/7 the whole time with a copy of his medical history, just waiting to pop one in his hand whenever he dropped? Including that time he passed out in his own house? Does he really have an undiagnosed case of ‘Making-paper-models-in-your-sleep-at-topically-suspicious-times’ syndrome? It’s as sensible an explanation as any. 6. Whether the FBI run random staff drug tests or not, an addiction as debilitating as Jayden’s would not have gone unnoticed as long as it has. Unless of course the FBI is ignoring his chemical binging because of the magical clairvoyant detective skills the drugs seem to give him. 7.The guns used in Heavy Rain must be props, used simply to look intimidating. Whenever a single, easy shot would resolve things neatly, fingers stay well away from triggers and prey implausibly escapes in exactly the way the plot requires. We know this one happens in bad movies as well, but the frequency and choreography of it in Heavy Rain is stupid almost to the point of parody. Most notable examples? The way Ethan can escape a motel besieged by SWAT teams (‘Shit, he’s a whole eight feet below us on that pavement. Our bullets don’t even work down there’), and the numerous ladders Shelby can chase Madison up during the climax. Person slowly climbing very tall structure = sitting duck. An ex-cop should know that. 8. Heavy Rain’s world seems disproportionately populated with ludicrously enthusiastic but woefully unthinking killers. Take junkyard killer Mad Jack for instance. He thinks nothing of murderising police and FBI alike in his place of business, in broad daylight and during work hours, and then tops it off by dumping the bodies in a barely covered acid bath right at the front of his workshop forecourt. And despite having this big conspicuous murderer’s soup by way of a welcome matt, he doesn’t raise a bit of suspicion. It seems the police don’t bother to investigate the last-known whereabouts of missing officers. Probably too busy giving key evidence away. 9.The butterfly trial makes no sense. The contrived set-up of Shelby’s second Saw-style test for Ethan would be impossible for any one man to put together. There is no logical way anyone could fill a complex tunnel system (comprising miles upon miles of chokey-tight crawl-space) with broken glass without painting themselves into a corner and getting cut to ribbons trying to get back out. And if Ethan is cramped in there, a man of Shelby’s size would probably destroy himself just trying to get in, let alone escaping. 10. Why does Ethan still suspect himself of being the killer after the lizard trial? Obviously the man’s carrying a lot of guilt after misplacing two sons in a row, but after being forced to brutally mutilate himself while someone watches and verifies the act via a video camera, surely it’s pretty obvious someone else is involved? 11. Heavy Rain’s cops-of-convenience really are fantastic when you have a nonsensical plot you want to maintain. When they’re needed, they’re all over a suspect whether it makes sense or not,but when application of the law would be inconvenient they’re nowhere to be seen.The former we know about. The latter? How about when Shelby invades the Kramers' mansion, killing at least a dozen bodyguards in someone's private residence and then facing no consequences afterward? Yeah, you can spare Kramer himself, but whether he lives or dies, there’s still a shit-ton of dead bodies lying around the (presumably security camera-filled) mansion of a respected businessman, stuffed with bullets fired from a never-reloaded handgun (that may or may not be registered to Shelby). The police and media reaction to this incredibly high-profile, noisy bloodbath? None. Ever. 12. How in the hell does Shelby fund all of this high-concept murdering? Not only does he own the aforementioned vast warehouse complex, but he apparently helped set Paco up in business as a nightclub owner following the sleazy fiend’s release from prison. But hell, trifling details like things costing money don’t matter when there’s a set-piece requiring a moody backdrop. 13. While it’s just about justifiable as an editing trick rather than a plot hole, the scene in the typewriter shop is a seriously cheesy cheat that aims to throw you off the scent in the laziest, tackiest way possible. Shame, because the same effect could have been achieved with a much subtler, cleverer scene. And why the hell does Shelby call the cops on himself before he’s cleared up the evidence of his presence at the murder scene? Not that it matters. If he does get pulled into the police station, the cops maintain their ineffectuality flawlessly, with an interview so in-depth and probing that the script might as well have read simply “KTHXBAI”
If I had a nickle for everytime a RUclipsr named Scott covered Heavy Rain, I'd have two nickles which isn't much but it's weird how it happened two times.
That "Are you alright?" part really tickles my tulip. I don't know what that even means but it feels fitting given the subject matter. There's just some sort of underlying madness to all of Cage's work that, while seemingly unintentional, is palpable. Too much exposure seems like a bad idea.
I often think of my friend's playthough where she had Madison die right away during the doctor. Like, what does that feel like from a story POV? Here is a random character who gets attacked in a dream and then immediately dies never to come back. Why. Why is was she there?!
This is the deep dive I needed! I’ve always thought there was something narratively off about this game despite the gritty, moody and dark ost and the visual exterior but narratively, something was wrong. Great video👍🏾
Finally, a quality and truthful review about Heavy Rain I was only let down by the quality of this game's writing, but what makes me angry is how well this game was received WHILE THE STORY IS SO FUCKING BAD. This game barely has any gameplay so the story definitely has to be good because if it sucks there's nothing else to redeem. I've watched or played other David Cage projects too and it seems like the guy is great at writing a very promising premise but always choked hard to make it coherent (or logical).
Yeah, games can have terrible or even stupid stories (or no story etc.) and still be great games if the gameplay is good, there are good characters, etc. But it's absolutely a death sentence for a *story-based game* that is supposed to be carried by the story and the branching paths, characters and story are supposed to make up for the shit gameplay. It's honestly baffling how David Cage's games all tend to be bad to horrible in the story department despite being story-focused, but somehow they get well-received. Heavy rain being an especially baffling case.
@@youtube-kit9450 The main thing that gets it for me is that their not really other options like these types of games available. Between this and Until Dawn there's only a handful so you take what you can get. I really love this style and I really enjoy the games, but even then. Their really flawed. Fun, but flawed. Only one I haven't played from Quantic Dream yet is Beyond: Two Souls and those two games before heavy rain.
I recall liking this game when I played it, but I think I was just REALLY stoned the whole way through. Obviously my tastes have developed and I see it's issues now. This review had me howling like a goddamn werewolf, Scott. It was well made, well paced, and pertinent while having your humor perfectly riddled throughout. Bravo!
I think this game benefited greatly from the time of when it came out. It was the early days of big cinematic game experiences, and Heavy Rain was new and exciting in many ways to a lot of people. Looking back on it... yeah, it hasn't aged well at all.
Huge plotholes, extremely dumb intro death, which made me unable To finish it. I decided to replay last year and as a dad now, I was in shambles and I actually connected with it a fucking lot. Games are just like movies or books, sometimes they just need to hit you at the right time. (Still dumb death and huge plotholes though) 😂
If I'm being honest, it always looked to me like Ethan grabbing Jason and pulling him to the ground is the reason he's dead. Imagine the impact of that kid's head on the pavement. Watch the footage again, but pay close attention to Jason's head and the way it's moving as he's pulled down onto the ground. It really WAS Ethan's fault. If he'd done nothing, his kid would probably be okay. The driver was already braking. But he grabbed his kid and either bonked his head so hard he had a cranial hemorrhage or broke his neck.
This video had me rolling I’ve seen a lot of videos on this game and you some how pointed out stuff I never thought of good job. I feel bad for the actors im not familiar with them but it was obvious to me David Cage does not know how to bring the best out of his talent
I see your long reviews of the david cage games finally got quite a lot of views after all this time. Awesome to see such good content being recognized. Remember watching this when it had like 20 views
Back when I tried this game, I honestly thought, for the longest time, that it was gonna be that Ethan and Jason both died and it was going to be some surreal journey to accept that he and his son were dead, and there was gonna be some closure with his wife and other son once he gets through the purgatory of saw challenges. Looking back, I really wish I was right, but I never finished the game myself, since Pewdiepie was playing through it, and I found it too slow and badly acted. I love writing, as bad as I probably am at it, but even then, like twelve years ago, I felt my initial guess was better than what actually happened.
@23:05 Actually no, the easiest thing to do in this scenario is to just say. "Nothing interesting about this letter" Then do nothing. Why would he even bring up the stupid type writer in the the first place???
this is one of those games where you can listen to several different people talk about it and its probably hilarious each time, just not entertaining to the player.
I completed heavy rain today. I tried the platinum for Beyond two souls and detroit become human (both of which i dropped because of the sheer amount of stuff you need to watch over and over again) and i enjoyed them enough to replay a couple of years after i finished them the first time. I've never dropped a game before unless it's too difficult or broken, but half way through heavy rain, i had to convince myself to keep playing since i had spent money on it. I didn't like the cliche characters, the story was boring, the controls... existed, the stupidity of the characters was infuriating, and the potholes were obvious to someone who didn't wonder why the aliens in signs decided to invade earth if water kills them. I get what cage was trying to do, but between the supposed interference in the games production, and the cutting out of entire storylines without anything to fill the gaps just makes a game i regret ever wanting to play
"Ethan's wife, who looks like she was rendered on a Sega Saturn". You are hilarious XD EDIT: I bought the ps4 collection with the intention of replaying this, but I think I will pass, even though I enjoyed it at the time.
I swear, this video is longer than 34 minutes & 53 seconds. I started watching it around lunchtime & it ended an hour & 1/2 later. Is it David Cage's fault? Is he up to his classic shenanigans as usual? G0DDAMN U DAVID CAGE. DAMN YOU TO HELL.
Excellent video, it's very entertaining to see your observations with this games, keep it up and greetings from Venezuela. By the way, where it comes the segment: "Hello fellow human, I'm also a fellow human"? Please
U know theres actually a fair amount of reasons why things are the way they are ima add the details after rewatching some scenes to understand For example despite not seeing scott for 14 seconds and his murder at 20 it could have simply been a jump cut each time Another was how JASON died while ridicules at first i found out that the impact of the car hitting ethan could have potentially hit JASON hard enough to snap his neck while its hard to tell if looked closely the games being played in slow motion making it hard to tell how fast the car really is EDIT: Im more surprised u didint ask yet why scott treats the origami killer as a separate person in his thoughts or ethans blackouts yet but heres an explanation As recorded with many killers they often treat their crimes as if done by someone else to help keep their cool or blend in it isint a separate personality disorder they are aware but are essentially in method actor mode Ethans blackouts can easily be explained by trauma notice how he doesint REALLY react to blacking out itself more so the origami in his hand this most likely isint the first time since his concussion and it triggers when hes depressed or upset and the only reason it might not happen during the main events is hes often too busy or in too much pain to think about it hes only worried about shawn Also i love heavy rain me and a buddy played it together and i saw him essentially go through it blind (i was playing shelby lol)
I love this so much. xD I like David Cage's ideas, I really do, but how he goes about them makes me wanna be an android so I can probe him and access his thoughts on executing those ideas. Especially his thoughts on the Manfred kill reveal, the man cheated his own gameplay mechanics and lied to the player to make that scene happen.
I feel that. one of my takeaways from this series was frustration. Most of the ideas that DC comes up with I really like. But he can't just do that idea, he has to pad it out with 15 poorly thought out ideas that muddy everything up.
I just got to RUclips after rage quitting and deleting the game. I was doing the chapter “Fugitive” and replayed it many times because I was caught at the road sequence BECAUSE THE CHARACTERS HAVE A TURNING ANGLE OF A BUS AND THEY TURNED BY THEMSELVES. The villain was also very predictable🗿
Quantic Dream/David "Crack" Cage games are guilty pleasures of mine. They are just good enough to grab your attention and bad enough to keep your attention just to see what batshit insane thing happens next. My wife and I stayed in the street area screaming "SHAWN" for about 10 minutes straight. We couldn't believe it was just there. If anything, Detroit and Beyond are probably the better ones, it almost seems like Cage is learning more and more after each game, but just a wee bit. Indigo Prophecy holds a special place in my heart though. Not because it's good, but just for all the unintentional comedy.
no, that was john romero when he made “daikatana”. it’s just that the death was really slow and cage was the last spasms before the concept reached rigor mortis
I downloaded this game for free from PS Plus a while back. Got around to giving it a try about a week ago without knowing anything about it. Losing Jason made me laugh at how ridiculous the setup was, including the death, but ultimately it was the controls that enraged me and lead me to quit once I made it to Ethan's raggedy ass apartment. Glad I uninstalled this dumpster fire, especially now that I watched this review. Good on anyone who enjoyed it, though. Just wasn't for me...
This feels kinda like a miss tbh. It’s flawed no doubt, but you missed some details such that I would argue borderline negligence. I get that DC makes you hate his stuff right out of the gate, but for example the bird scene? Having “no meaning”? Failing to protect a fragile, smaller being is a clear similarity. Sure it’s not amazing but it’s details like this that I feel you almost had to try to miss
I remember at the time it was new, I was watching lets plays of it before going to school. And as a result, I found it rather griping, but that was also because the videos were 15 minutes or less long, like tuning into a tv channel regularly to be caught up on an series. Which meant by the time the big twist with the detective happens, I will admit I was very engrossed with it. I will agree in retrospect it wasn't the best, but I still treat it as like a "so bad its good" film.
Just a small note, you can actually proceed with the story even if you don't cut your finger off, I chose not to and got to save Shaun and get the 'good" ending.
i dont know why no one mentions that you can access to thoughts of the characters and make choices but even after that the characters made decision that i didn't knew?, like, i was playing as Shelby, why is he the killer and i didnt knew lol
Just a note on the videos you showed as an example of the uncanney valley at around 12:30; I think choosing videos from the Siren series as a demonstration of the uncanny valley as a result of hardware/tech limitations isn't quite accurate, as this effect is afaik deliberate in those games. The game very much leans into making the player uncomfortable with more unique techniques and gameplay styles.
@@ScottsGameAsylum I mean fair enough, I just found it a bit off to use it as an example while talking about something more related to hardware/tech limitations. But I get your point 👍
i consider this game a guilty pleasure and a lot of my love for it comes from the silliness and the nostalgia of the game, and while a lot of your points were certainly valid, a decent amount of them were definitely pedantic, and i do think you panned the game too hard considering a lot of the things you did mention have their own justifications that are explicitly explained, or just common sense. either way i understand your perspective, I just think the video was much harsher on the game than the actual quality of the game was.
@@ScottsGameAsylum yea beyond two souls compared to heavy rain is a different beast of mistakes, i do think heavy rain technologically aged pretty well too compared to a large amt of games released in 2010, and story and acting wise it aged more goofy than anything LOL
This game to me is as I see most marvel/dc movies. Stagnant in both creativity, story , and characters , but fascinating to watch because its entertainment value is at a 10. I would rather watch “closer” than black panther but I’d always choose black panther if that makes sense.
I like the fact that Ethan gets run over and his son dies. This beginning he is magical.
Best dad ever
@@ScottsGameAsylum did not protect his own son from physics.
@@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 Not to mention how people blame Ethan for no reasons.
His wife blames Ethan for not protecting Jason, even though she did nothing while Ethan got run over.
Scott considered Ethan to be a dad who didn’t sacrifice himself to save his son after Ethan sacrificed himself to save his son.
@@nont18411Shelby's motivation is one of the worst written things in this story. He kidnaps Shaun to test whether Ethan would be willing to sacrifice himself for his son... inspired by witnessing Ethan, without hesitatiom, jump in front of a car to protect his son. And it'd have been so easy to fix - just have Ethan not jump, or jump too late. Ethan being in a coma did nothing for the story except iirc the timeline gets fucked up because some kidnappings/kills fall into the timeframe Ethan was in a coma. David Cage is so bad at writing.
Fun Fact: This game is implied to take place in Philadelphia.
Not really that interesting as a fact I guess but it meant a lot to me since I live very close to the city myself. That part in the game with the chase through the market is actually a real place in Philly called The Reading Terminal, which has a ton of locally famous restaurants and stores.
Great review as always, by the by. I really hate all of Cage's games except this one. It's not a good game, but it has its charm. I guess it's more of a guilty pleasure for me.
It's so bad it makes the girls smile.
Yea as a Pennsylvanian it’s nice to see another game take place in my home area. Same reason my guilty pleasure is homefront the revolution, because it takes place in PA
@@stuglife5514 I had no idea homefront took place there! I always thought that more open world games should take place in Philly, mainly because there is so much interesting history there. Plus there's the added bonus of it feeling like home to me.
Can we just take a second to appreciate Homefront? Embrace the schlock!
@@ScottsGameAsylum I've always heard very mixed things about it, but if it's enjoyable and charming schlock then hell yeah!
Love the video, Scott! And I usually am bored by long reviews.
I also note that, aside from the cheesiness of the plot twist, its also notorious the cheesiness of the RED HERRING. All the implying that Ethan might be the Origami Killer, with increasingly weird signs of that being the case, and then David just shrugs it off and moves on to other things lol
That was originally going to be the twist and the reason why Ethan passes out in the park was because he was Possessed by the origami killer but then David Cage decided not to go with it because he didn’t want any supernatural elements but he was too lazy to change the script so he just left the lines in where Ethan knows
The best thing about Heavy Rain was the Taxidermist DLC.
Totally creeped me out and had me on the edge of my seat.
I liked Heavy Rain on my 1st and only playthrough back when it got released.
It was overhyped and a let-down though and all the criticism it got over the past decade is justifiable.
PS
This review is very well made and great fun !
Glad I discovered your channel through watching AGG`s Live Stream of the The Colonel's Bequest.
Thank you and i head that the dlc is the best part. sadly i have no means of playing it at the time. AGG is one of my favourite channels.
This video is absolutely perfect. I laughed so hard. Editing is top notch, and you nailed everything about it. I love and hate Derpy Brain and Beyawn: Two Bores.
While playing these games, I would laugh at the ridiculousness and nonsense of these games, and mock it while I played it alone, then I decided to make what I call “roast plays.” Where I tear it apart. But I also point out what I like about the games. I’m about half done.
The cuts where you play that “all around me are familiar faces” with David Cage’s face gets me every time! 😂
I despise the “twist” ending so freaking much. Once I get to that point, I’ll give your video a shout out. It deserves way more views and appreciation.
Oh hey!! Thank you for your kind words and I'm stoked you found this video. In fact I was watching your let's play of Detroit when I was making that video so it's cool that you checked this out!
@@ScottsGameAsylum omg that’s awesome! I didn’t think hardly anyone noticed my videos these days. lol
@@dragio23234 people can do that, it’s not illegal.
@@dragio23234 I respect your opinion. I honestly think people that take it personally and get angry at people who don't like what they like is kind of douchey.
I believe to each his own, there's no accounting for taste.
@@dragio23234 all you said was he “trashed the game” and you got salty and offended. You may think it was an “error” needing to be “corrected” but that doesn’t mean it is. That’s an _opinion._ HIS opinion. You don’t have to agree with him, but don’t get all pissed off with people who have a different opinion than you do, that’s all.
But I’m not here to tell you what to do. You’re free to keep that attitude, just be aware people might avoid discussing their likes and dislikes with you for fear of you losing your temper and you won’t be fun to talk to.
Not being able to skip or quicken up the conversations and not being able to RUN….🤯 made this game so frustrating
Why couldn't Jason just be dead prior to the game? Players would still get the idea and they don't have to watch a poorly executed cutscene
This was so good, dude. Funny, well-edited, salient. Great video. Also, LA Noire is a banger.
Thanks Mate. I need to do a video on it one day.
When this game came out on ps3 it was next level, still remember the day I got it. Nostalgic vibes all over.
Love the video, have to admit the first time I played the game it was a blast but any other time I try to play it again I had pretty much the same thoughts as this video. Just curious, what music did you use at 30:47
Thanks, some kind of silent hill tune!
Heavy Rain brought us the QTE chase fail laughter video which makes it the best game ever created by default.
I love heavy rain so much. One of the best games I ever played
this right hear is the peak heavy rain review just a perfectly balanced dish off memes and actual criticism
Why all failed Film Directors that go into gaming have the same "type" of games?
i heard heavy rain was great like 10 years ago and i tend to enjoy unconventional storytelling. i remember enjoying edith finch, dear esther, etc. quite a bit and expected that sort of experience.
the difference is that this story is so poorly written and trite. you get the feeling people who loved this game were pretty simple
Amazing video. This game is god fucking awful even without pointing out the gaping plot hole - why the fuck does Ethan black out and have origami in his hand??? Is it seriously just a plot device so that you suspect Ethan and not Shelby? Yikes.
I personally really like this game but I do understand your points lmao
Press x to jason alone makes this game a 10/10. What more could you possibly want?
I have a very unique relationship with this game that I feel proves there is some kind of God:
It starts when I was about 14-5 and the game was about to release in stores. I was so hyped to buy and play this game, I could not wait. However, my parents (who watched horror films with me, bought me violent games and watched adult comedy with me from a young age) for some reason told me that didn't want me to have the game (they had watched the trailer and were shocked by the rape dream scene). I don't know why but at the time I kind of just accepted their decision, I didn't argue with them or even get upset. I just said "okay" and I think they went out and bought me another game (weird for a teenager. Maybe I knew my parents were liberal so I was shocked they said no for once so I didn't have a chance to sulk). Later on in like I noticed my favourite RUclipsrs (TwoBestFriends R.I.P) started playing the game. All the hype came back to me. Then I followed their let's play and slowly saw what my parents had saved me from. As a younger person I know I would have fallen for the crappy plot and probably defend it now due to nostalgia. But thanks to the only time my parents ever stopped me from playing a game I was in a better critical position to see the games flaws and have had more fun laughing at Cage games than I ever would have had playing them. There must truly be a higher power.
Top-notch content!
Also got a lotta laughs out of this, so thank you.
Thank you for watching.
I beat it today, and got the worst possible ending. The worst part of the game? It wasn’t my fault. My biggest complaint in the game is that when I’m being rushed and have little time to do something until my character dies, I’ll think less. I tried to save Lauren but accidentally hit the wrong button and escaped leaving her underwater. This isn’t what I wanted to do but because both buttons were next to each other I just picked the one I thought was right
i wouldn't say that pathologic ost doesn't fit here, but i was surprised, surprised good
I was falling asleep trying to play this game. I really enjoyed Detroit Becoming Human.
If you truly believe that Heavy Rain is a "good" game I have pity for you.
Everything from the ridiculous controls to execute actions, to the way the characters glitch right in front of you makes this game an easy "no".
Voices randomly bug out and don't sync throughout gameplay AND cutscenes.
Like watching a bad Japanese movie.
All this "nitpicking" really plays a huge role in the way each character could have embraced you had the dev's actually played their game once through.
These problems pull you out of that immersion and really make you feel as though you're playing a video game rather an actual story.
I'd love to watch the video but does he spoil Detroit become human during it?
I'M THE ONE WHO SPOILS!
I liked the game. I played it way back when it was next gen, and it was incredible .... for me.
The story was also good imo.
The 10 year younger me liked it back then.
I have a memory of this game like the following: this was an epic game, i loved it. And i dont wanna change my good memories and opinion of it. Thx
What?
i always thought that the story should have been shelby still being the killer but also being Ethan's brother or friend or maybe even his dad, and just how you said, the police would blame Ethan for jason's death (probably being something like ethan actually turned Jason's head into the wheel making his death make sense) and he would get a few years in prison before getting released and moving back in with Shelby and shawn in a shitty little flat until suddenly one night shawn just disappears and Scott is convinced that the origami killer is the one responsible for his disappearance (because he's still the killer). With that, maybe Ethan would team up with his reporter friend or previous crush or wife, Madison, to find where Shawn could be because Ethan doesn't trust the police but at the same time understands why they imprisoned him, all while Shelby is in the shadows, covering his tracks and silently torturing Ethan, maybe a motive could even be that he was like the hated child and Ethan was the loved one (I don't know just writing down my stupid thoughts here). And the FBI agent, Norman Who Gives A Shit, would be a background character who is a friend of Shelby and is unknowingly helping his plan in some way. Ethan would go through all of the traps and stuff, do some other shit, whatever, and then get to Shawn where Shelby was waiting for him with a police sqwad to arrest him or something unless you got a good ending where Ethan finds out that Shelby is the killer and would expose him right there. I just realized how long I've been writing this bullocks, god I need some sleep
oh and the *Are you alright?* would still be in there 100%
You don't see much the serial killer in action. It's a good game some of the motion gameplay sucks and frustrating
When is was done playing, i hated the game. The plot twist was soo stupid and made no sense
The game is long and boring, bad writing too
"The worst games in my eyes are the ones which are boring or do nothing to push the proverbial bow out".
He says as half life gameplay is shown.
Gotta give it to you, you have some serious balls.
Boat out
@@ScottsGameAsylumFaulty captions.
Sorry, thought it was boat but wasn't sure.
I like when somebody is crticizes popular games but this is constant hating on the game because you don't like it. So i consider this as not good review.
😂
@@ScottsGameAsylumwhat are you laughing at?
Jason death was always so infuriating to me
Like David Cage knows the difference between how a 9 year old would act and how a 4 year old would act
Because it's like the red balloon reduced Jason mental age to 4
i mean apparently jason was originally supposed to be about 5 years old but they aged him up bcs they didn’t want to show the death of such a young child, but yeah the whole things still pretty stupid
@@pickledidiot4569 If they were going to change his age then they should have thought a bit harder about it. Give him mental disabilities or something, even though it looks like he has those anyway.
Not to mention that Jason somehow died even though Ethan was covering him from a car that was braking.
i mean the car hit the dad taking the hit i still dont get how it killed jason
"fuck that, I want the boy dead" David Cage, writers meeting 2008
heavy rain is one of those games that was MADE for let’s players. i CANNOT get enough of seasoned entertainers who have played hundreds of great games reacting to jason dying from being merely in the presence of a slowly moving car
I liked watching scott the woz play it because he doesn't take it seriously
Call me crazy, but I feel this has potential as a movie. The themes are intriguing enough to attract some people who have never heard of the game before to think “this movie’s gonna be so good”. Of course, there would have to be some major changes:
- Ethan’s blackouts are one of the biggest plotholes in the entire game. I’d either bring back the psychic link between Ethan and Scott-making it so Ethan suspects himself on account of him going crazy-or cut it out entirely.
- A lot of Madison’s character needs to be reworked badly. The constant “girl-power” theme beating the audience over the head for a character introduced in a shower scene is damn-near comical. Just tone it down to her just being a strong female lead without constantly mentioning it. I’m not even gonna try and touch the Blue Lagoon scene in this comment, I know my limits.
- Maybe this is a little controversial, but I honestly like how Scott was handled. He’s shown as a caring figure, but the reveal shows it’s out of a sort-of vengeance. If I had a choice, I’d also make the girl that tags along with him (forgot her name) die in the car. Sorry.
- I enjoy Jayden as a character. His struggle with Triptocane is honestly a nice side struggle he has to deal with.
Please keep in mind that I’m not a writer or critic, just someone who thinks Heavy Rain has potential.
Okay thanks Roger Ebert
@@ScottsGameAsylum i uhh… you’re welcome???
@@noods1406i think your idea was good
Jason was a moron for wandering off and I never bought him “dying” when he wasn’t even the one hit by the car, especially an instant death.
Boy, do I remember the hype train around this one being extremely over-the-top. And seeing it play out like a much more dull take on what Telltale was doing definitely means I won't be picking this up any time soon.
Another great video though! It really helped put it all in context
It seems like the DC hype cycle is a lot alike Sonic's. One comes out it's lauded as the "best game 5ever" then neck bearded tossers like myself tell them it's shit lol
I remember when those kind of playable movies were hyped. I picked up Heavy Rain on a sale and I was disappointed af😂
I genuinely don’t think I’ve played a worse game. But it has a 10/10 entertainment value . Never have laughed out loud in a game like a I did this one. If nothing else it spawned some hilarious memes.
Damn now that you mention it, i dont think i know what i'd put as the worst game i've ever played. Worst ENDING however always has and always will be: Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle (Genesis). And by extension, the whole game itself. Fuck Alex Kidd
I played it with my friends while high as kites, and we spent like an hour just fucking about with the controls and animations, laughing our asses off - funniest thing is that we pretty much only played up to Jason's death.
JASON!
@@CarrionCarriesOn JASOOOON
@@thorgs4871 JAAASOOOOOOON!!!!
20:08 originally in the script Ethan and Shelby would have had some sort of psychic link that is why Ethan wakes up in the rain with an origami. Funny thing they left the origami scene so nothing makes sense. I played this game as a kid so I do like it but I understand why people would hate it. The music is pretty good as well and I think I like Heavy Rain the best out of all of David Cage's games.
In hindsight I feel like i may have been too harsh on this game. I do like the idea of the story in concept, but It's the storytelling that completely fails.
You weren't harsh enough.
@@ScottsGameAsylumit’s really not all that bad. There’s cheese with some of the casting choices and inconsistencies and plot holes but then there are some moments of genuinely compelling ideas. It’s like… pizza. It isn’t the most innovative genius thing ever invented, but it’s pretty good. Even when it’s kinda bad.
I just replayed it for the first time in like.. 10ish years and while it’s no landmark in storytelling through video games, it’s at least a very entertaining playthrough. Might have a soft spot for it considering my nostalgia and having first played it back when I was like 15 but it still sits nicely in the “guilty pleasure” section for me
@@ScottsGameAsylumall that said I know you had a job to do here. And railing into the game for its faults is far more entertaining than trying to give a nuanced take on a decent story with heavily flawed execution. Also David cage is a twat so… have at him honestly
It’s hard to articulate why I dislike this game. It may just be one thing. I was pissed off about the Shelby twist. When Scott discovers the body, you think the killer snuck in there and did it. This act automatically removes Shelby off the list of suspects, of who could be the origami killer indefinitely. We were shown that he just turned the corner and the body was laying there. The whole point of the game was trying to figure out who the killer was and that’s what was supposed to be fun about it. I “immediately” felt cheated, when they showed something that didn’t play out the way we seen it. The best way I can put it is like, It’s an unfair advantage the developers have with the story. We’re gathering clues, so when they edit what we see, they’re essentially tampering with evidence we’ve collected.
My second point, I want to post. I don’t like snobs, David Cage needs to drop his elitist attitude with his games and about what he considers art. I’ve been moved more emotionally by Call of Duty. The biggest thing I felt from this, was disappointment.
Old comment. But I fully agree with this lol 🤣
"It's hard to articulate" imo it isn't even that. The game sacrificed gameplay and everything for its characters and story, and the characters and story were pure shit. He made it basically an interactive movie to focus on plot and characters, and then completely bungled that.
And I agree. David Cage is a witless provocateur. A talentless hack. A snobby "artiste".
Like, even if you e.g. hate tlou 2's story and think Druckmann is a hack writer, the game still is beautiful to look at and damn fun to play. Heavy rain doesn't even have that.
The concept is interesting, even if the execution was too stiff. Game had potential, shame it didn’t reach it.
You know, there's one additional thing about the twist that really annoyed me. DC gave the playable characters thoughts to fill the "downtime" and playing as Scott there are a lot of thoughts that really shouldn't be there and make no sense considering he is the killer. So either DC and QD have absolutely no clue how people think, or Scott knows he's in a video game and tries to fool the player because who needs a fourth wall, am I right?. Probably both.
Anyway I implore you to not try out Omikron, it will break you as it did the Super Best Friends (R.I.P)
This is my favorite game. I now its got a lot of plotholes but playing it as a kid will never leave me. Ive never enjoyed a tragic story as much as this one, and im a sucker for horror and tragedy. Im getting the post station statue tattooed on my leg soon. If only they spent a little more time on this one.. Ethan Mars was the birth to my love of writing.
I’m currently replaying it and it really entertains me. It has obvious flaws and you really feel the 12 years it has on its back, but I still really like it. Despite all the unintended goofy stuff, I really appreciate Cage’s games.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer Ive replayed it 10 times over and I still feel like I need to play it again before I decide what im getting tattooed. Love it too much.
Im glad you guys get something from it.
David cage games be like : fantastic as long as you keep your brain shut off 😂
I loved Heavy Rain when it came out. Completed it with all endings and did the Platinum trophy. But, not played it since.
LOL I do agree with most of your points though, regardless.
But mate, seriously, exceptionally good video making here. Bravo.
Thanks Pete. that means a lot coming from you!
One thing you have missed are the plotholes.
Ethan having dreams of kids drowning.
The plotholes did have an answer, that being supernatural elements, scenes of that were made but were cut... Likely due to David realizing he already made a bad decision with including supernatural elements in Fahrenheit.
When he cut all of the super natural nonsense in heavy rain, he forgot to fix the plotholes and remove the lines that refer to the super natural sh!t.
Point of all of this is that David is growing. Slowly and in strange places, but growing.
It's even worse than that. There's an ingerview where one of the devs said they had to actively atop David's full writing from coming to fruition. David realized nothing, the company makes better gsmes only when everyone curbs his ideas.
He certainly was growing in strange places when he gave Madison Paige like 5 nude scenes (TOTALLY OPTIONAL…. if ur a nerd. Lemnr see them polygonal tiddies)
This video deserves more than 235 views. Good content.
Thanks mate. Feel free to share it with your friend's!
It’s 10k, wym bro?
@@solarpoweredafricanvegansp178 10k? Its 14k .... it's as if
views can accumulate over time
@@laartwork lol it was a joke bro
How did Lauren not hear Shelby throwing the typewriter?
Because she crashed lol
I agree. The story sucks so bad, is extremely unoriginal and filled to the brim with plot-holes. Makes me ask myself how David Cage went from this to Detroit: Become Human.
To be fair, he had a co-writer by the name of Adam Williams helping him out with Detroit: Become Human's story....Heavy Rain, on the other hand, was _entirely_ written by him. So, yeah :P
@Big B here ya go:
1. If you make sure that Madison survives to the hospital scene near the end, she (but not you) is told the identity of the Origami Killer. Understandably, she is shocked and aghast at the name she hears being associated with such atrocities. Not understandably, she and said killer have never met in the game at this point, and in fact are completely unaware of each other’s existence. She’s reacting to nothing, which becomes even more face-palm-worthy when she scootsimmediately round to his house.
2. While investigating the Origami Killer, private eye Shelby interviews several parents of murdered kids and collects key evidence and messages sent to them by said mysterious child-offer. Question: Why the hell have these parents still got hold of this stuff? Why didn’t give they these clues to the police during the investigations? Did they want their kids to be killed? And if they did hand them in, why haven’t the police still got them in the (still open) case file? Did they give them back as souvenirs when the bodies were found? No wonder they can't catch the killer if they keep giving evidence away.
3. If Ethan iscaptured and taken in for questioning by the police,a potential set-piece opens up that's so ludicrousthat you'll scratch your head 'til your brain bleeds. For evidence of its stupidity, try the following in real life.Go into a police station of your choice. Find a really important, high-profile suspect in a holding cell. They’re bound to have one knocking around. Help him escape, but make sure you have a conversation with a third-party immediately beforehand, and make sure that the content of that conversation will tie you to the crime without question. Then see if you get away with it. If you do, get a job at said police station, make yourself unpopular to the point that the corrupt powers-that-be are desperate for an excuse to get rid of you, then try it again. If you’re still working in your office, completely uninterrupted, a few days later and the police have started a second huge manhunt without once even questioning how said suspect escaped in the first place, congratulations. You are Norman Jayden.
4. Speaking of manhunts, the whole case against Ethan which takes up much of the second half is a farce. The evidence that makes him the definite, absolute, couldn’t-be-anyone-else, number-one suspect in a high-profile murder case? Nothing more than some highly circumstantial hearsay and tittle-tattle about black-outs and bad dreams, from his ex and his psychiatrist (tittle-tattle that in that latter case has to be beaten out of the unwilling source). We know that the cops are looking for a scapegoat, but making public claims of guilt and holding a press conference to celebratethe capture of a notorious serial killer without ever bothering to build any kind of a case against him is the simplistic and lazy thinking of a nine-year old. Even bad movie cops wouldn’t do that
5. Ethan’s blackouts can be explained as a sympton of the trauma he suffered when hit by the car, but what’s with all the false-lead origami models he keeps waking up with? Was the killer following him 24/7 the whole time with a copy of his medical history, just waiting to pop one in his hand whenever he dropped? Including that time he passed out in his own house?
Does he really have an undiagnosed case of ‘Making-paper-models-in-your-sleep-at-topically-suspicious-times’ syndrome? It’s as sensible an explanation as any.
6. Whether the FBI run random staff drug tests or not, an addiction as debilitating as Jayden’s would not have gone unnoticed as long as it has. Unless of course the FBI is ignoring his chemical binging because of the magical clairvoyant detective skills the drugs seem to give him.
7.The guns used in Heavy Rain must be props, used simply to look intimidating. Whenever a single, easy shot would resolve things neatly, fingers stay well away from triggers and prey implausibly escapes in exactly the way the plot requires. We know this one happens in bad movies as well, but the frequency and choreography of it in Heavy Rain is stupid almost to the point of parody. Most notable examples? The way Ethan can escape a motel besieged by SWAT teams (‘Shit, he’s a whole eight feet below us on that pavement. Our bullets don’t even work down there’), and the numerous ladders Shelby can chase Madison up during the climax. Person slowly climbing very tall structure = sitting duck. An ex-cop should know that.
8. Heavy Rain’s world seems disproportionately populated with ludicrously enthusiastic but woefully unthinking killers. Take junkyard killer Mad Jack for instance. He thinks nothing of murderising police and FBI alike in his place of business, in broad daylight and during work hours, and then tops it off by dumping the bodies in a barely covered acid bath right at the front of his workshop forecourt. And despite having this big conspicuous murderer’s soup by way of a welcome matt, he doesn’t raise a bit of suspicion. It seems the police don’t bother to investigate the last-known whereabouts of missing officers. Probably too busy giving key evidence away.
9.The butterfly trial makes no sense. The contrived set-up of Shelby’s second Saw-style test for Ethan would be impossible for any one man to put together. There is no logical way anyone could fill a complex tunnel system (comprising miles upon miles of chokey-tight crawl-space) with broken glass without painting themselves into a corner and getting cut to ribbons trying to get back out. And if Ethan is cramped in there, a man of Shelby’s size would probably destroy himself just trying to get in, let alone escaping.
10. Why does Ethan still suspect himself of being the killer after the lizard trial? Obviously the man’s carrying a lot of guilt after misplacing two sons in a row, but after being forced to brutally mutilate himself while someone watches and verifies the act via a video camera, surely it’s pretty obvious someone else is involved?
11. Heavy Rain’s cops-of-convenience really are fantastic when you have a nonsensical plot you want to maintain. When they’re needed, they’re all over a suspect whether it makes sense or not,but when application of the law would be inconvenient they’re nowhere to be seen.The former we know about. The latter? How about when Shelby invades the Kramers' mansion, killing at least a dozen bodyguards in someone's private residence and then facing no consequences afterward? Yeah, you can spare Kramer himself, but whether he lives or dies, there’s still a shit-ton of dead bodies lying around the (presumably security camera-filled) mansion of a respected businessman, stuffed with bullets fired from a never-reloaded handgun (that may or may not be registered to Shelby). The police and media reaction to this incredibly high-profile, noisy bloodbath? None. Ever.
12. How in the hell does Shelby fund all of this high-concept murdering? Not only does he own the aforementioned vast warehouse complex, but he apparently helped set Paco up in business as a nightclub owner following the sleazy fiend’s release from prison. But hell, trifling details like things costing money don’t matter when there’s a set-piece requiring a moody backdrop.
13. While it’s just about justifiable as an editing trick rather than a plot hole, the scene in the typewriter shop is a seriously cheesy cheat that aims to throw you off the scent in the laziest, tackiest way possible. Shame, because the same effect could have been achieved with a much subtler, cleverer scene. And why the hell does Shelby call the cops on himself before he’s cleared up the evidence of his presence at the murder scene? Not that it matters. If he does get pulled into the police station, the cops maintain their ineffectuality flawlessly, with an interview so in-depth and probing that the script might as well have read simply “KTHXBAI”
@@iTz_GSWAG sorry my comment didn't @ you properly, so I write this one just to remind you
I got a plot hole, Madison taking a power drill to the cooch..... (Rimshot)
@@ScottsGameAsylum lol
If I had a nickle for everytime a RUclipsr named Scott covered Heavy Rain, I'd have two nickles which isn't much but it's weird how it happened two times.
That "Are you alright?" part really tickles my tulip. I don't know what that even means but it feels fitting given the subject matter. There's just some sort of underlying madness to all of Cage's work that, while seemingly unintentional, is palpable. Too much exposure seems like a bad idea.
I often think of my friend's playthough where she had Madison die right away during the doctor. Like, what does that feel like from a story POV? Here is a random character who gets attacked in a dream and then immediately dies never to come back. Why. Why is was she there?!
Concidering where she goes in that story. Sometimes, dead is better
"The people running this can only see three shades of grey, like E.L. James with colour blindness"
Great line, you've earned one (1) whole subscriber
This is the deep dive I needed! I’ve always thought there was something narratively off about this game despite the gritty, moody and dark ost and the visual exterior but narratively, something was wrong. Great video👍🏾
Finally, a quality and truthful review about Heavy Rain
I was only let down by the quality of this game's writing, but what makes me angry is how well this game was received WHILE THE STORY IS SO FUCKING BAD.
This game barely has any gameplay so the story definitely has to be good because if it sucks there's nothing else to redeem. I've watched or played other David Cage projects too and it seems like the guy is great at writing a very promising premise but always choked hard to make it coherent (or logical).
Yeah, games can have terrible or even stupid stories (or no story etc.) and still be great games if the gameplay is good, there are good characters, etc.
But it's absolutely a death sentence for a *story-based game* that is supposed to be carried by the story and the branching paths, characters and story are supposed to make up for the shit gameplay.
It's honestly baffling how David Cage's games all tend to be bad to horrible in the story department despite being story-focused, but somehow they get well-received. Heavy rain being an especially baffling case.
@@youtube-kit9450 The main thing that gets it for me is that their not really other options like these types of games available. Between this and Until Dawn there's only a handful so you take what you can get.
I really love this style and I really enjoy the games, but even then. Their really flawed. Fun, but flawed. Only one I haven't played from Quantic Dream yet is Beyond: Two Souls and those two games before heavy rain.
I recall liking this game when I played it, but I think I was just REALLY stoned the whole way through. Obviously my tastes have developed and I see it's issues now. This review had me howling like a goddamn werewolf, Scott. It was well made, well paced, and pertinent while having your humor perfectly riddled throughout.
Bravo!
Thanks Colin. I was afraid that it would be a shit show. But it turned out to be one of the most gratifying videos I have ever worked on.
I think this game benefited greatly from the time of when it came out. It was the early days of big cinematic game experiences, and Heavy Rain was new and exciting in many ways to a lot of people.
Looking back on it... yeah, it hasn't aged well at all.
I want a Tommy Wiseau movie adaptation of this game. It would be incredible.
There's only one thing I like better than Scott's sense of humour and that's a surprise TLoU 2 diss
Lol concider it a slice of foreshadowing. Probably 2 years from now concidering my upload schedule.
Huge plotholes, extremely dumb intro death, which made me unable
To finish it. I decided to replay last year and as a dad now, I was in shambles and I actually connected with it a fucking lot. Games are just like movies or books, sometimes they just need to hit you at the right time. (Still dumb death and huge plotholes though) 😂
If I'm being honest, it always looked to me like Ethan grabbing Jason and pulling him to the ground is the reason he's dead. Imagine the impact of that kid's head on the pavement. Watch the footage again, but pay close attention to Jason's head and the way it's moving as he's pulled down onto the ground. It really WAS Ethan's fault. If he'd done nothing, his kid would probably be okay. The driver was already braking. But he grabbed his kid and either bonked his head so hard he had a cranial hemorrhage or broke his neck.
Plot contrivance = dead kid
@@ScottsGameAsylum Yeah, I know. I'm just sayin'.
Heavy Rain was interesting when it came out but had aged poorly.
Scott you look like you could be David Cage’s brother.
Fat, bold, delusions of grandeur? Hmm you might have a point
Glad I found this channel, you've made some of the funniest videos about these games. I'm two vids deep and about to go in for the third, bay-bee!
Thanks! However this path will lead to madness... turn back now!!
This video had me rolling I’ve seen a lot of videos on this game and you some how pointed out stuff I never thought of good job. I feel bad for the actors im not familiar with them but it was obvious to me David Cage does not know how to bring the best out of his talent
Thanks, It seemed like most reviews either refused to talk about the problematic shit or no one paid any attention!
Also, check out my video on Beyond... Yikes
I see your long reviews of the david cage games finally got quite a lot of views after all this time. Awesome to see such good content being recognized. Remember watching this when it had like 20 views
Back when I tried this game, I honestly thought, for the longest time, that it was gonna be that Ethan and Jason both died and it was going to be some surreal journey to accept that he and his son were dead, and there was gonna be some closure with his wife and other son once he gets through the purgatory of saw challenges. Looking back, I really wish I was right, but I never finished the game myself, since Pewdiepie was playing through it, and I found it too slow and badly acted. I love writing, as bad as I probably am at it, but even then, like twelve years ago, I felt my initial guess was better than what actually happened.
If you play this game high with a friend it's SO much better.
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Actually no, the easiest thing to do in this scenario is to just say. "Nothing interesting about this letter" Then do nothing. Why would he even bring up the stupid type writer in the the first place???
this is one of those games where you can listen to several different people talk about it and its probably hilarious each time, just not entertaining to the player.
Or the hardcore Cage Stan's will defend its quality or it could be DC with thousands of sock puppet accounts, no idea lol
I've never understood why people like this game, its just one long QTE
I don't think it's fair to say Heavy Rain is a bad game.
I personally don't think it qualifies as a game.
I completed heavy rain today. I tried the platinum for Beyond two souls and detroit become human (both of which i dropped because of the sheer amount of stuff you need to watch over and over again) and i enjoyed them enough to replay a couple of years after i finished them the first time. I've never dropped a game before unless it's too difficult or broken, but half way through heavy rain, i had to convince myself to keep playing since i had spent money on it. I didn't like the cliche characters, the story was boring, the controls... existed, the stupidity of the characters was infuriating, and the potholes were obvious to someone who didn't wonder why the aliens in signs decided to invade earth if water kills them.
I get what cage was trying to do, but between the supposed interference in the games production, and the cutting out of entire storylines without anything to fill the gaps just makes a game i regret ever wanting to play
"Ethan's wife, who looks like she was rendered on a Sega Saturn".
You are hilarious XD
EDIT: I bought the ps4 collection with the intention of replaying this, but I think I will pass, even though I enjoyed it at the time.
I swear, this video is longer than 34 minutes & 53 seconds. I started watching it around lunchtime & it ended an hour & 1/2 later. Is it David Cage's fault? Is he up to his classic shenanigans as usual? G0DDAMN U DAVID CAGE. DAMN YOU TO HELL.
Excellent video, it's very entertaining to see your observations with this games, keep it up and greetings from Venezuela.
By the way, where it comes the segment: "Hello fellow human, I'm also a fellow human"? Please
That is is from the channel "Khrimson Rogue" who makes long form hilarious book reviews on RUclips.
U know theres actually a fair amount of reasons why things are the way they are ima add the details after rewatching some scenes to understand
For example despite not seeing scott for 14 seconds and his murder at 20 it could have simply been a jump cut each time
Another was how JASON died while ridicules at first i found out that the impact of the car hitting ethan could have potentially hit JASON hard enough to snap his neck while its hard to tell if looked closely the games being played in slow motion making it hard to tell how fast the car really is
EDIT:
Im more surprised u didint ask yet why scott treats the origami killer as a separate person in his thoughts or ethans blackouts yet but heres an explanation
As recorded with many killers they often treat their crimes as if done by someone else to help keep their cool or blend in it isint a separate personality disorder they are aware but are essentially in method actor mode
Ethans blackouts can easily be explained by trauma notice how he doesint REALLY react to blacking out itself more so the origami in his hand this most likely isint the first time since his concussion and it triggers when hes depressed or upset and the only reason it might not happen during the main events is hes often too busy or in too much pain to think about it hes only worried about shawn
Also i love heavy rain me and a buddy played it together and i saw him essentially go through it blind (i was playing shelby lol)
TL:DR sarcasm is fun!
I love this so much. xD I like David Cage's ideas, I really do, but how he goes about them makes me wanna be an android so I can probe him and access his thoughts on executing those ideas. Especially his thoughts on the Manfred kill reveal, the man cheated his own gameplay mechanics and lied to the player to make that scene happen.
I feel that. one of my takeaways from this series was frustration. Most of the ideas that DC comes up with I really like. But he can't just do that idea, he has to pad it out with 15 poorly thought out ideas that muddy everything up.
The game is a guilty pleasure
From where is this “Hello fellow human...” clip?
It's from Khrimson Rogue's review of Trigger Warning. He is one of my favourite channels.
Son dies: Wife leaves you, Job leaves you, Nice house leaves you
This game is fucking stupid lmao
This is the only game where John Goodman stars as the detective
haaa!
I just got to RUclips after rage quitting and deleting the game. I was doing the chapter “Fugitive” and replayed it many times because I was caught at the road sequence BECAUSE THE CHARACTERS HAVE A TURNING ANGLE OF A BUS AND THEY TURNED BY THEMSELVES.
The villain was also very predictable🗿
in the next chapter you can literally break out ethan as norman.
It does try too hard to make you feel. It works, except I didn't feel what the game wanted me to feel.
Quantic Dream/David "Crack" Cage games are guilty pleasures of mine. They are just good enough to grab your attention and bad enough to keep your attention just to see what batshit insane thing happens next.
My wife and I stayed in the street area screaming "SHAWN" for about 10 minutes straight. We couldn't believe it was just there.
If anything, Detroit and Beyond are probably the better ones, it almost seems like Cage is learning more and more after each game, but just a wee bit.
Indigo Prophecy holds a special place in my heart though. Not because it's good, but just for all the unintentional comedy.
Just found this channel and fucking loving it, damn you deserve more subs
Thanks!
David "put 'em in the" cage was the death of rockstar game designers.
Like I said before. I don't speak 4chan!
no, that was john romero when he made “daikatana”. it’s just that the death was really slow and cage was the last spasms before the concept reached rigor mortis
@masonasaro2118 ohh the same symptoms I suffered reading this insightful comment!
Lol loved this review
this review was way too funny, keep it up
I downloaded this game for free from PS Plus a while back. Got around to giving it a try about a week ago without knowing anything about it. Losing Jason made me laugh at how ridiculous the setup was, including the death, but ultimately it was the controls that enraged me and lead me to quit once I made it to Ethan's raggedy ass apartment. Glad I uninstalled this dumpster fire, especially now that I watched this review. Good on anyone who enjoyed it, though. Just wasn't for me...
This feels kinda like a miss tbh. It’s flawed no doubt, but you missed some details such that I would argue borderline negligence. I get that DC makes you hate his stuff right out of the gate, but for example the bird scene? Having “no meaning”? Failing to protect a fragile, smaller being is a clear similarity. Sure it’s not amazing but it’s details like this that I feel you almost had to try to miss
TL:DR fuck birds!
I remember at the time it was new, I was watching lets plays of it before going to school. And as a result, I found it rather griping, but that was also because the videos were 15 minutes or less long, like tuning into a tv channel regularly to be caught up on an series. Which meant by the time the big twist with the detective happens, I will admit I was very engrossed with it.
I will agree in retrospect it wasn't the best, but I still treat it as like a "so bad its good" film.
It's perfectly serviceable schlock
Just a small note, you can actually proceed with the story even if you don't cut your finger off, I chose not to and got to save Shaun and get the 'good" ending.
i dont know why no one mentions that you can access to thoughts of the characters and make choices but even after that the characters made decision that i didn't knew?, like, i was playing as Shelby, why is he the killer and i didnt knew lol
I Just played It the other day and i can Say the dubbing Is terrible in italian too ,so terribile It's so funny
Great video man. Idk why that Dean Ambrose clip was so fucking funny but it was
Nope
I dont care what anyone says about DBH, that game did everything right that this game did wrong.
Even the inconsistencies?
I like to think Jason just had NPC pathing problems and they built a game around it
Lol after playing all of them, that might be the case!
Just a note on the videos you showed as an example of the uncanney valley at around 12:30; I think choosing videos from the Siren series as a demonstration of the uncanny valley as a result of hardware/tech limitations isn't quite accurate, as this effect is afaik deliberate in those games. The game very much leans into making the player uncomfortable with more unique techniques and gameplay styles.
That's why I showed it, it's an extreme visual example
@@ScottsGameAsylum I mean fair enough, I just found it a bit off to use it as an example while talking about something more related to hardware/tech limitations. But I get your point 👍
i consider this game a guilty pleasure and a lot of my love for it comes from the silliness and the nostalgia of the game, and while a lot of your points were certainly valid, a decent amount of them were definitely pedantic, and i do think you panned the game too hard considering a lot of the things you did mention have their own justifications that are explicitly explained, or just common sense. either way i understand your perspective, I just think the video was much harsher on the game than the actual quality of the game was.
Yeah, in hinsight i was perhaps too harsh on this game. This was before I played Beyond: Two Souls and oooooh boy I was not prepared.
@@ScottsGameAsylum yea beyond two souls compared to heavy rain is a different beast of mistakes, i do think heavy rain technologically aged pretty well too compared to a large amt of games released in 2010, and story and acting wise it aged more goofy than anything LOL
This game to me is as I see most marvel/dc movies. Stagnant in both creativity, story , and characters , but fascinating to watch because its entertainment value is at a 10. I would rather watch “closer” than black panther but I’d always choose black panther if that makes sense.
nope, that makes no sense