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Minecraft 1.2.5 is the last version of minecraft without demo mode, you can play minecraft for free without hax by changing the version of minecraft to 1.2.5 . Runs pretty well too.
Not in UK, thanks! I got as far as typing in my phone number and it said US numbers only. Why the hell didn’t;t it tell me that at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bought my wife a new MacBook Air. Shall I put Haiku on our 2009mmacbook pro? I worry about downloads but trust you 😊. Why don’t you post the best, safest place to download a Haiku for usb stick?
I bought 5 of these to give to some kids to learn Scratch and other programming and use one on my CNC. Anyways, Go into the BIOS and disable the power limits. The CPU is only using 6 watts, Once disabled it uses 12 watts and is nearly twice as fast, According to the CPU benchmarks I ran on it.
@@egbront1506 it gets warmer for sure but it can handle it. I ran the CPUID benchmark for a while with no issues. I forget the exact temps it got to.. maybe 80 degrees after a while during the benchmark/CPU stress, but under regular use I don't think there's much difference. It's been a while since I tested this.
Onboard speakers work in Ubuntu Mate 23.10 once you run AlsaMixer in terminal to unmute and adjust up levels on inputs. Also M.2 SSD must be SATA, not NVME. I have owned this exact computer for 1.5 years.
Not unmuting the main channel in alsa is a rookie mistake everyone has made at least once on Linux. Not remembering that this is required is a cluetard move though. Cheers for the info on the M.2 slot. Most people don't realise you never have NVME on an M.2 A+E slot.
@@paulie-g Interesting. I use Linux for 10 years and I never had to think about alsamixer, using various hardware. Is this really required when all desktop distros use PulseAudio or Pipewire to control audio hardware?
@@tomaszgasior772 Don't worry, it's mostly just a meme which originated in the fact that ALSA always defaults to bring up sound hardware muted (so something has to unmute and set the appropriate volume levels in userspace, which often was just a small init script calling alsactl before PA/Pipewire came along), while OSS did not and, depending on the sound chip, often set volume TO FULL BLAST.
@@paulie-g Since PulseAudio is designed for user experience, I don't have to care about that. PulseAudio is intended to be user friendly so it should take care about this for me. And it does, at least in my case.
Everyone who has lived with old cars knows that there are two, quite distinct, status reports. Works, which is distinguished from Everything Works. Mind you, I would also be disappointed to be without trackpad, sound, AND internal WiFi.
I loved BeOS back in the time, but as long as Haiku doesn't support video acceleration (3d and decoding) there is not much point in using it for daily driving.
There are few applications that need hardware acceleration at smaller resolutions/normal refresh rates, cf QNX, so that's not a big problem. There is nothing Haiku does that couldn't be done on top of Linux with better performance and more hardware support. You could do emulate the user interface in an X11 window manager or a Wayland compositor, BeFS could be done in FUSE to start with and then in kernelspace as it matures, and so on. Fundamentally, Haiku is always going to suffer from the same things as BSD - not enough dev time, therefore forever catching up on hardware compatibility. It *is* impressive how far they've come with so few resources though and some of the porting work is particularly impressive. It's fun, and that's what it is meant to be. Don't overanalyse it. Incidentally, it could probably run with everything working in a VM on a Linux host.
@@tf6437 I checked the Geekbench benchmark charts, and the Celeron N3450 beats Core 2 Duos in multi core, but most mobile Core 2 Duos handily beat it in single core performance.
@@bibasik7 this has to do with drivers, and bloat of ubuntu. Not to mention, as soon as you use Sodium, its gonna blow it out of the water. Also, the Macbook likely has a GPU, meanwhile this uses the laughable iGPU of the intel cpu. On CPU based tasks, this is gonna blow the macbook away in both efficiency and speed, although to be fair, only barely in speed.
@@TheCustomFHD According to Geekbench, the Celeron is faster in multi-core performance, but the Core 2 Duo is faster in single core performance. Minecraft has very poor multithreading, so it makes sense that it runs better on the Core 2 Duo. Minecraft is usually CPU-bound unless you add shaders, so GPU isn't an issue.
@@one_step_sideways I've always thought a low end inexpensive laptop like a netbook has a place in my computing ecosystem. I have a powerful gaming laptop with an RTX video card but it never leaves my desk. I've got a little chromebook with an ARM processor that I use for when I just want to putt around the house or in the back yard. I gave away my acer aspire one back in the day to a friend of ours who needed a laptop and I always regretted it because it was perfect for that sort of thing -- and if I broke it it was 200 bucks so I could just get another one.
Huge thanks Sean for all the effort you put into your videos! Been following the channel for a long time and you really got me to diggin into my Retro Collection again. Planning on doing an Retro PC Un-Sleeper Build on my channel. But enough of me, really can´t wait for the next vid popping up since these are my go-to´s on the weekends whan i have some time off! Sidenote.. love Haiku been using it on-off since the really early days after Be wen´t under...
This thing actually has slightly better specs than the computer I used from high school all the way to third year of university. I used to use a cheap acer chromebook with GalliumOS and it worked beautifully for everything, even with only 2GB of ram. It was just a browsing and doc editing machine, so it hardly needed anything.
Well, except that the new ones are way bigger. The whole benefit of netbooks was that they were literally or close-to pocket-sized and could run Linux pretty easily.
This OS might be perfect for old netbooks that are stuck with 32-bit Atom processors and 1 or 2 gigs of RAM. I'm thinking of installing Haiku on my Sony VAIO netbook that runs (horribly) a very old 32 bit version of Linux Mint.
That's a lot of computer for 80 bucks. I remember buying an HP Stream 11, with half the cores, half the ram and half the storage for more than double! Also this comes with an LTE modem that could be swapped with more storage? What a deal.
Ahoy, thanks for the fun video. I own 2 Maestro Evolve III notebooks. The 1st is this exact model. I got it openbox for $62+change in June 2022. Do watch as this is the V.1.0. Later versions don't have the SATA slot. I also have the Model 11G ($99+tax) which has a Celeron N4120 4 core Gemini Lake w/UHD Graphics 600. It can run Win11 and is much faster but also lalcks the SATA slot. I think the best thing about these notebooks is the battery life; I commonly run them for videos for over 8 hrs. and they still have battery left. Also, for an 11.6" TFT screen the display is quite bright and looks great at 720P. Thanks again and cheers, daveyb PS: I'm an OS/2 guy bu I ran BeOS for about 2 years on my 2nd system back in 2002-2003. I still have all my BeOS stuff in boxes on my bookshelf. db
I use Arch, but is interesting seeing Haiku OS being used since it's a much smaller community. Appears like a very retro throwback one which is fitting with Action Retro channels name.
@@NickNembus Haiku is an open-source reimplementation of BeOS, which came out in the 1990s and was once in the running to be the new Mac OS before NeXT beat them to the punch and became Mac OS X. When Be failed, its enthusiasts rebuilt the entire system from the ground up using Be's own API documentation. And that is Haiku. The 32-bit version can even run the original BeOS applications.
@@pinksnowbirdie2938 this is why you never use chromeOS, linux is far better and less resource intensive, debian with xfce will bring new life into any low end modern netbook
Yeah, that might possibly be the supply chain horrors he is talking about. Maybe repurposed recycled / bulk purchase and new (cheapo) screen, although the specs are still a bit too new to be EOL from Google.
I've been considering one of these because im nervous taking my real laptop certain places, or even just using it on the couch with my dumb dogs. I will need sound in linux though
$79 plus cost of wifi dongke, plus cost of M.2 drive, plus cost of external mouse, and maybe USB soundcard to get sound. I know, WE all have that stuff hanging around in a bin, but if you're going to tally up the true cost - you have to add that in as well. So now you have other options inthe $120 range.
@@Bc232klm still pretty cool to have this with ubuntu preinstalled but yeah buying used saves on future e-waste even if I disagree on this being e-waste.
I finally got it working... At first I installed it on my own not even thinking at the boot partition. Then I followed some of the video and kept quitting before I got everything set up, but it's working now! Brings me back to the 90s!
So you went into a store. Bought a random cheap laptop. Booted it Haiku on a usb flash drive. Had to go to a search engine and find a way to get access to the flash drive post boot. Found a solution that requires additional purchased hardware and manually removing components to get it to work. Opened up the internals because it wouldn't read the flash device that you booted it from. Removed a component so you could add an hard drive. Ran the installation script. Then manually mounted the primary drive. Created a boot folder. Navigated through multiple folders to find the BOOT file, which you then copied over. Rebooted. And the track pad, sound, and Wifi don't work. Which were working in Ubuntu... Yeah, this is a pretty big failure and not a good way to convince people like myself to even attempt to use.
I've done alot of this stuff. For the sound and track pad to work, just update the drivers. The update program will find the proper drivers and make it work.
Haiku is getting better with time, to get it's spot in the old/low powered range of computers, and there are so many of them! I'm impressed with how it works so well in my venerable Asus EeePc 701. Only the camera didn't work out of the box.
People keep say that but development wise it’s been waay too long. The project started over 20 years ago (from 2001) and it’s still in beta form, ridiculous.
@@awa0927 As far as I'm not contributing myself, I don't complain about the generous effort that other people are doing at their rhytm. If they had corporate support like Linux had, the story would be different. The recent addition of falkon added to it's practical usability. I hope it gets more traction and more users so it can attract more contributors also. Cheers.
The CPU in these things were manufactured in 2016, so I think that gives some hints as to how they got the hardware so cheaply. I bet a lot of it is outdated, but still usable tech that someone had piling up in a warehouse. Evolve probably got the components in a bulk purchase for a song. The fact that they also got a new battery, display, and (perhaps the most surprising) windows license on it while keeping the price at $79 is... Insane.
What an interesting little laptop - I think this is the perfect "emergency PC" to buy if yours break but you need to complete a task or something and can't wait for a repair.
It has a cellular modem? That thing is probably worth more then the computer! I've always wanted to have a laptop with a cellular modem, so that I could work from anywhere*!
I use to fix these.... Haiku is definitely an upgrade without a doubt over windows. Since some of these barely have the specs to run windows....on paper.
this might get lost in a sea of comments but, ive had this exact laptop for a while now, got it back when it was 90 bucks instead of the sale price of 80, and running AntiX Linux on it, minecraft beta gets a solid 40 or so fps, perfectly playable. i cant speak to having used Haiku, but when i want lightweight, Void linux or AntiX are the best imo, and they both ran really good on this laptops.. constrained hardware. never been able to get sound working though, and the only time i got the internal wifi card to work was on void linux, which somehow recognized it out of the box as opposed to every other distro ive tried on it (which is quite a few, including ubuntu and stock debian 10) The eMMC is KILLER slow, i think i might get one of those "dogfish" ssds for it. great video!
this $80 laptop is great for giving a kid for routine schoolwork and basic youtube watching (guessing that headphones plugged in gives sound). The power of Linux strikes again
When the workarounds take up both your USB ports, not sure I can call this a 100% win. If you were going for "small computer I need haiku on and it wont move", sure a USB 3.0 styled hub would solve connectivity but if you wanted portability, all that is shot to hell when you even have to have an external mouse slaved to it. Appreciate your dedication to Haiku since it is always cool to alternative operating systems. I'd be curious to see how it'd play on 2010s era Thinkpad.
i have an old Dell Inspiron like this and i used a shaved down version of Win10 i made in MXML tools and yeah, i thought about nixxing the wifi/bluetooth but i didnt wanna be down to one USB port after adding a stick, so i instead used the MicroSD card for storage as it is plenty fast for my needs, and can even run older games with ease. these things are great if you need a spare machine running linux or another OS or other hobbyist stuff.
these tiny laptops are kind of a champ once you swap out the cellular modem for a ngff sata ssd, during my performance testing it ran elder scrolls 4 consistently well on medium settings, not too shabby!
i've been a fan of BeOS since the 90s i've been lucky enough to be able to try it on my friends' PPC as a child then I installed the official version on my IBM Aptiva probably w 133mhz pentium 1 w a bus overclock.... I also tried Zeta OS ! Zeta was the best experience for the time but Haiku is the best now has come a long way and apparently 1000s of Radio stations run on BeOS or Haiku etc
$79 for a cellular equipped laptop is killer. I spent $280 on just the Snapdragon mmWave modem I put in my Latitude. I assume that thing comes with a cheap-o MediaTek LTE chip, but it still ain't _that_ cheap in the context of a $79 laptop.
When I built my PC years ago the windows 8 license was $120 on newegg. Kind of insane to find a laptop for so much cheaper than the OS it's running on.
Being able to overclock on a laptop bios is pretty rare, at least, in my experience. Out of all of the semi recent laptops I have and old laptops I've had none of them allowed me to overclock😭
This is a cool exercise. Thank you for doing it and showing us! I'm sort of amused that my ancient HP ProBook 6470B and 6570Bs are apparently quite a bit faster, but as you say this is a new unit.
Most of my attempts to try Haiku in recent years have been in virtual machines. Haven't tried it on bare metal in probably about ten to fifteen years. I just tried the latest nightly on my 2014 Lenovo laptop with 2013-era hardware. I bought this machine specifically for its Linux-friendly hardware and it has mid-range parts, packing quite a lot of power. Unfortunately, the Intel wireless card does not work although it is detected, so that immediately kills the idea of going any further with it. Maybe some day. I don't know if audio worked or not, but everything at least looked alright and at the proper resolution (Intel graphics plus nVidia GPU). Oh well... I'll just keep following it.
I would definitely not try the overclocking, we have a cheap walmart gateway laptop with the same bios options and I tried messing with the bios options for fun, almost bricked the thing lol since the options were not supported by the hardware
I use mine with Linux Mint XFCE. Once I read how bad the internal speakers are, I stopped trying to get that part of the sound working. Out of the box you can pair with a bluetooth speaker or plug in a USB headset. It might be the same on Haiku.
Its a pretty cool little laptop. I've got a video on my channel about fixing the audio and using it for a bunch of ham radio related things. Hard to beat for the price/included "kit" and performance!
I bought one on eBay which was sold as used but looked pretty brand new to me. Put Haiku on it and my sound worked out of the box. Downloaded and installed the latest nightly. MyRUclips experience is a bit clunkier and it takes usually a 360 resolution to get playback. I used Web instead of Falcon. Might be my old and slow Edimax USB WLAN dongle. Probably try some variant of Linux on the SSD next go around. I see people putting Ubuntu on these. Thinking I might go for something a bit more lightweight.
When replacing the 4G modem card with the SSD, make sure to put some electrical tape on the two antenna connectors so it doesn't make contact with the other components. I have fried a motherboard on an old laptop including sparks and smoke - I've learned my lesson 😅
I don't know if this would apply to Haiku or not, but in Ubuntu, sometimes on a fresh install you have to enable sound manually using the alsamixer command in the terminal. It's a bit obnoxious, but it usually works.
yep cant complain for that price, i got the same one as a 69$ openbox discount but it had not been used yet, through Arch on it with the Falkon browser. It still chugs on loading pages but once loaded it is fine. im guessing its the eMMC storage being slow on writes (have not tweaked it to get better performance, like using a ramdisk) So now i got a $70 backup laptop for travel when i dont want to take my $1,000 laptop
I literally just bought one of these a month or two ago, for a lightweight ham radio laptop. Slow as heck, but it doesn't need to be fast, and it's hard to beat the price.
You need strong CPU for Haiku. Everything else may be shit but CPU should be strong. Since there is no hardware graphics acceleration CPU has to do everything.
If I had a channel like this, I'd get a few cheap USB sound cards just to see if any sound could be had at all. Also, amazed the tplink worked just fine on haiku when I still can't figure out how to get them to work in linux even with a guide...
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Minecraft 1.2.5 is the last version of minecraft without demo mode, you can play minecraft for free without hax by changing the version of minecraft to 1.2.5 . Runs pretty well too.
Not in UK, thanks! I got as far as typing in my phone number and it said US numbers only. Why the hell didn’t;t it tell me that at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bought my wife a new MacBook Air. Shall I put Haiku on our 2009mmacbook pro? I worry about downloads but trust you 😊. Why don’t you post the best, safest place to download a Haiku for usb stick?
@@musgawp I don't understand what you mean. "worry about downloads"? Just get it from their official website.
Happy 100K
I bought 5 of these to give to some kids to learn Scratch and other programming and use one on my CNC.
Anyways, Go into the BIOS and disable the power limits. The CPU is only using 6 watts, Once disabled it uses 12 watts and is nearly twice as fast, According to the CPU benchmarks I ran on it.
Is the foil heatsink up to the added toastiness that might cause?
@@egbront1506 it gets warmer for sure but it can handle it. I ran the CPUID benchmark for a while with no issues. I forget the exact temps it got to.. maybe 80 degrees after a while during the benchmark/CPU stress, but under regular use I don't think there's much difference. It's been a while since I tested this.
I bet it’s t-junction is like 60*C 😮😅
@@Errcyco I believe it is actually! I set it much higher.
Hoping he sees this comment and tries disabling the power limit.
“Even though it doesn’t look like it, but I like being outside!” **puts a picture of him being outside as a proof**
Looks 'shopped to me. But who am I to judge?
having a modem for 79 bucks laptop is really nice
I would expect just the LTE card to cost more than that. Probably a crappy LTE cat 4 one, but still...
@@evefavrettoSeems to be supported OOB under Ubuntu, which for a 4G Modem is really not bad and would be worth like 30 bucks for me honestly
It'd probably be $55 without Windows.
@@evefavretto isn't cat stuff ethernet?
@@joe--cool china OEMs aren't payin that much
Onboard speakers work in Ubuntu Mate 23.10 once you run AlsaMixer in terminal to unmute and adjust up levels on inputs. Also M.2 SSD must be SATA, not NVME. I have owned this exact computer for 1.5 years.
Not unmuting the main channel in alsa is a rookie mistake everyone has made at least once on Linux. Not remembering that this is required is a cluetard move though. Cheers for the info on the M.2 slot. Most people don't realise you never have NVME on an M.2 A+E slot.
@@paulie-g Interesting. I use Linux for 10 years and I never had to think about alsamixer, using various hardware. Is this really required when all desktop distros use PulseAudio or Pipewire to control audio hardware?
@@tomaszgasior772 Don't worry, it's mostly just a meme which originated in the fact that ALSA always defaults to bring up sound hardware muted (so something has to unmute and set the appropriate volume levels in userspace, which often was just a small init script calling alsactl before PA/Pipewire came along), while OSS did not and, depending on the sound chip, often set volume TO FULL BLAST.
@@tomaszgasior772 Take a wild guess as to what PulseAudio uses as an output.. ;)
@@paulie-g Since PulseAudio is designed for user experience, I don't have to care about that. PulseAudio is intended to be user friendly so it should take care about this for me. And it does, at least in my case.
"And it works...." yeah, we don't have the same notion of what working is.
... shenanigans!
I came here to comment the exact same thing
Everyone who has lived with old cars knows that there are two, quite distinct, status reports. Works, which is distinguished from Everything Works. Mind you, I would also be disappointed to be without trackpad, sound, AND internal WiFi.
@@michaelwright2986 It's a feature, not a bug ... Call it 'distraction-free computing' 🤔🤷♀️
Haiku is so far behind Linux. I have no idea why this guy doesn’t just install Tinycore Linux on this old machine, would have run much better.
I loved BeOS back in the time, but as long as Haiku doesn't support video acceleration (3d and decoding) there is not much point in using it for daily driving.
Who needs this?
Haiku does have video accelleration, but it's only supported on a couple GPUs
How about Haiku getting out of beta form first? 😂😂😂
There are few applications that need hardware acceleration at smaller resolutions/normal refresh rates, cf QNX, so that's not a big problem. There is nothing Haiku does that couldn't be done on top of Linux with better performance and more hardware support. You could do emulate the user interface in an X11 window manager or a Wayland compositor, BeFS could be done in FUSE to start with and then in kernelspace as it matures, and so on. Fundamentally, Haiku is always going to suffer from the same things as BSD - not enough dev time, therefore forever catching up on hardware compatibility. It *is* impressive how far they've come with so few resources though and some of the porting work is particularly impressive. It's fun, and that's what it is meant to be. Don't overanalyse it. Incidentally, it could probably run with everything working in a VM on a Linux host.
Haiku is in beta still give it 10 more years
It's also popular in the ham community because we can charge it straight from a 12v source, perfect for field use.
A Core 2 Duo MacBook is faster and cheaper than this laptop, but the fact that a laptop with Windows is cheaper than Windows is impressive.
hmm, idk I think the quad core Celeron is faster than the core 2 duo mobile
@@tf6437 A Core 2 Duo MacBook can run Minecraft much better, I'll tell ya that!
@@tf6437 I checked the Geekbench benchmark charts, and the Celeron N3450 beats Core 2 Duos in multi core, but most mobile Core 2 Duos handily beat it in single core performance.
@@bibasik7 this has to do with drivers, and bloat of ubuntu. Not to mention, as soon as you use Sodium, its gonna blow it out of the water. Also, the Macbook likely has a GPU, meanwhile this uses the laughable iGPU of the intel cpu. On CPU based tasks, this is gonna blow the macbook away in both efficiency and speed, although to be fair, only barely in speed.
@@TheCustomFHD According to Geekbench, the Celeron is faster in multi-core performance, but the Core 2 Duo is faster in single core performance.
Minecraft has very poor multithreading, so it makes sense that it runs better on the Core 2 Duo. Minecraft is usually CPU-bound unless you add shaders, so GPU isn't an issue.
That might be as little computer as is possible to still call a laptop.
I'm kinda glad to see netbooks coming back.
Unless you go with a $10 15 year old potatobook that holds charge for 20 minutes
@@SJ-co6nk Are you really?
@@one_step_sideways I've always thought a low end inexpensive laptop like a netbook has a place in my computing ecosystem. I have a powerful gaming laptop with an RTX video card but it never leaves my desk. I've got a little chromebook with an ARM processor that I use for when I just want to putt around the house or in the back yard.
I gave away my acer aspire one back in the day to a friend of ours who needed a laptop and I always regretted it because it was perfect for that sort of thing -- and if I broke it it was 200 bucks so I could just get another one.
@@one_step_sidewaysa lot of people are I’ll be honest I loved my little acer spire one.
Huge thanks Sean for all the effort you put into your videos! Been following the channel for a long time and you really got me to diggin into my Retro Collection again. Planning on doing an Retro PC Un-Sleeper Build on my channel. But enough of me, really can´t wait for the next vid popping up since these are my go-to´s on the weekends whan i have some time off! Sidenote.. love Haiku been using it on-off since the really early days after Be wen´t under...
I think the real shocker is that it has a cellular modem. (I liked this video 99,999 times)
SPF - "Seconds per Frame"
let me tell you a secret:
frametime IS the "seconds per frame" people are looking for.
@@proCaylakno way
This thing actually has slightly better specs than the computer I used from high school all the way to third year of university. I used to use a cheap acer chromebook with GalliumOS and it worked beautifully for everything, even with only 2GB of ram. It was just a browsing and doc editing machine, so it hardly needed anything.
The cheap computers that have been coming out lately remind me of the netbook days.
Well, except that the new ones are way bigger. The whole benefit of netbooks was that they were literally or close-to pocket-sized and could run Linux pretty easily.
@@halfsourlizard9319 The Acer I had was my first computer to get an upgrade to an SSD, which made it truly portable.
@@halfsourlizard9319 Yep! Still have one running MX Linux for a little Python machine. 😂
This OS might be perfect for old netbooks that are stuck with 32-bit Atom processors and 1 or 2 gigs of RAM. I'm thinking of installing Haiku on my Sony VAIO netbook that runs (horribly) a very old 32 bit version of Linux Mint.
@@LeftoverBeefcake Or just run a modern Linux distro (Debian supports 32bit) and skip the GUI and other frivolous bloat ...
That's a lot of computer for 80 bucks. I remember buying an HP Stream 11, with half the cores, half the ram and half the storage for more than double!
Also this comes with an LTE modem that could be swapped with more storage? What a deal.
Fun thing to try: Boot Alpine on the thing. Bet it'll run fast as a Ferrari.
Is it possible to run i3 on top of Alpine? Presumably, that'd rip.
@@pdoherty926 I'd assume so? But a good ol' TTY is even faster!
My store has them open box for $63...
this is perfect to keep in a garage for reading service manuals and consuming pirated media.
By the way almost 100k subs, good job man!!
Ahoy, thanks for the fun video. I own 2 Maestro Evolve III notebooks. The 1st is this exact model. I got it openbox for $62+change in June 2022. Do watch as this is the V.1.0. Later versions don't have the SATA slot. I also have the Model 11G ($99+tax) which has a Celeron N4120 4 core Gemini Lake w/UHD Graphics 600. It can run Win11 and is much faster but also lalcks the SATA slot. I think the best thing about these notebooks is the battery life; I commonly run them for videos for over 8 hrs. and they still have battery left. Also, for an 11.6" TFT screen the display is quite bright and looks great at 720P. Thanks again and cheers, daveyb
PS: I'm an OS/2 guy bu I ran BeOS for about 2 years on my 2nd system back in 2002-2003. I still have all my BeOS stuff in boxes on my bookshelf. db
The Jeep is looking great btw! Need a nice row of Hellas on it now!
Ayyyy! Congrats on 100K! Well deserved!
If we don't have an Action Retro video without installing some obscure OS to anyone but Action Retro fans, is it REALLY one of his videos?
Please keep making videos about Haiku OS.
I use Arch, but is interesting seeing Haiku OS being used since it's a much smaller community. Appears like a very retro throwback one which is fitting with Action Retro channels name.
@@NickNembus Haiku is an open-source reimplementation of BeOS, which came out in the 1990s and was once in the running to be the new Mac OS before NeXT beat them to the punch and became Mac OS X. When Be failed, its enthusiasts rebuilt the entire system from the ground up using Be's own API documentation. And that is Haiku. The 32-bit version can even run the original BeOS applications.
this is some chromebook like hardware, with less difficult drivers on any os thats not chromeOS
I tried to make one into a chromebook but the audio drivers and wifi drivers were just non existent
@@pinksnowbirdie2938 this is why you never use chromeOS, linux is far better and less resource intensive, debian with xfce will bring new life into any low end modern netbook
Yeah, that might possibly be the supply chain horrors he is talking about. Maybe repurposed recycled / bulk purchase and new (cheapo) screen, although the specs are still a bit too new to be EOL from Google.
I've been considering one of these because im nervous taking my real laptop certain places, or even just using it on the couch with my dumb dogs. I will need sound in linux though
$79 plus cost of wifi dongke, plus cost of M.2 drive, plus cost of external mouse, and maybe USB soundcard to get sound. I know, WE all have that stuff hanging around in a bin, but if you're going to tally up the true cost - you have to add that in as well. So now you have other options inthe $120 range.
Factory fresh e-waste.
How fast is the celeron in this laptop relative to a raspberry pi? Might be worth it for that
Used thinkpads are cheaper. You can get a t460 for less than 80
@@Bc232klm still pretty cool to have this with ubuntu preinstalled but yeah buying used saves on future e-waste even if I disagree on this being e-waste.
Hey look it’s the school laptop 💀
I finally got it working... At first I installed it on my own not even thinking at the boot partition. Then I followed some of the video and kept quitting before I got everything set up, but it's working now! Brings me back to the 90s!
So you went into a store.
Bought a random cheap laptop.
Booted it Haiku on a usb flash drive.
Had to go to a search engine and find a way to get access to the flash drive post boot.
Found a solution that requires additional purchased hardware and manually removing components to get it to work.
Opened up the internals because it wouldn't read the flash device that you booted it from.
Removed a component so you could add an hard drive.
Ran the installation script.
Then manually mounted the primary drive.
Created a boot folder.
Navigated through multiple folders to find the BOOT file, which you then copied over.
Rebooted.
And the track pad, sound, and Wifi don't work. Which were working in Ubuntu...
Yeah, this is a pretty big failure and not a good way to convince people like myself to even attempt to use.
The Windows Logo Key has the pre-Windows-8 Windows logo on it.
I'm new[ish] to the channel and just wanted to say I love what you're doing here and also nice jeep.
I've done alot of this stuff. For the sound and track pad to work, just update the drivers. The update program will find the proper drivers and make it work.
Maybe see how this thing handles Diet Pi, a light linux distro based on Raspberry Pi OS optimized for running from flash storage
Haiku is getting better with time, to get it's spot in the old/low powered range of computers, and there are so many of them! I'm impressed with how it works so well in my venerable Asus EeePc 701. Only the camera didn't work out of the box.
People keep say that but development wise it’s been waay too long. The project started over 20 years ago (from 2001) and it’s still in beta form, ridiculous.
@@awa0927 As far as I'm not contributing myself, I don't complain about the generous effort that other people are doing at their rhytm. If they had corporate support like Linux had, the story would be different. The recent addition of falkon added to it's practical usability. I hope it gets more traction and more users so it can attract more contributors also. Cheers.
Wait that's not a vintage apple machine...
It’s about as fast
and so cheap.
The OS has Apple roots, at least.
The CPU in these things were manufactured in 2016, so I think that gives some hints as to how they got the hardware so cheaply. I bet a lot of it is outdated, but still usable tech that someone had piling up in a warehouse. Evolve probably got the components in a bulk purchase for a song. The fact that they also got a new battery, display, and (perhaps the most surprising) windows license on it while keeping the price at $79 is... Insane.
Actually this looks like a recycled Chromebook.
What an interesting little laptop - I think this is the perfect "emergency PC" to buy if yours break but you need to complete a task or something and can't wait for a repair.
These where sold in brazil under a national brand for R$ 1300, which would be 260 USD.
O que é bem triste...
sucks... I wonder if they're available in europe
Yikes.
doesn't BR have some insane computer import tax shit going on? Sad
I didn't know you were a fellow XJ enthusiast! Love your Jeep, and your channel! Was great meeting you back at VCF East!
You have no idea how much I wait for Saturday to see what kind of shenanigans you are up to this week 😊
I like that that thing still has the pre-8 Windows logo on the keyboard.
So I just installed and this even if it wasn't a tutorial it helped me install haiku on my laptop great work man
Ah, the wonders of the bargain bin at Microcenter! I'm like a kid in a candy store every time I go to the local one near me.
It has a cellular modem? That thing is probably worth more then the computer! I've always wanted to have a laptop with a cellular modem, so that I could work from anywhere*!
i do like that it can be overclocked and has upgradable storage
I use to fix these....
Haiku is definitely an upgrade without a doubt over windows. Since some of these barely have the specs to run windows....on paper.
Man, you really go all the way. I love these videos.
Its shocking how good your videos have become and haiku is an underrated Operating System that may become more like Linux
this might get lost in a sea of comments but, ive had this exact laptop for a while now, got it back when it was 90 bucks instead of the sale price of 80, and running AntiX Linux on it, minecraft beta gets a solid 40 or so fps, perfectly playable. i cant speak to having used Haiku, but when i want lightweight, Void linux or AntiX are the best imo, and they both ran really good on this laptops.. constrained hardware. never been able to get sound working though, and the only time i got the internal wifi card to work was on void linux, which somehow recognized it out of the box as opposed to every other distro ive tried on it (which is quite a few, including ubuntu and stock debian 10) The eMMC is KILLER slow, i think i might get one of those "dogfish" ssds for it. great video!
100k congrats 🎉
Congratulations on getting a different sponsor than the usual gang! I don't think I even hate this one!
this $80 laptop is great for giving a kid for routine schoolwork and basic youtube watching (guessing that headphones plugged in gives sound). The power of Linux strikes again
You could run PiMiga 4 on it which just came out with x86 support. It runs shapeshifter to be a Mac.
I love your shenanigans. Haiku isn't quite there yet but it's very promising. Keep up the good work.
100K subs 🎉 great news! Congratulations!
When the workarounds take up both your USB ports, not sure I can call this a 100% win. If you were going for "small computer I need haiku on and it wont move", sure a USB 3.0 styled hub would solve connectivity but if you wanted portability, all that is shot to hell when you even have to have an external mouse slaved to it.
Appreciate your dedication to Haiku since it is always cool to alternative operating systems. I'd be curious to see how it'd play on 2010s era Thinkpad.
i have an old Dell Inspiron like this and i used a shaved down version of Win10 i made in MXML tools and yeah, i thought about nixxing the wifi/bluetooth but i didnt wanna be down to one USB port after adding a stick, so i instead used the MicroSD card for storage as it is plenty fast for my needs, and can even run older games with ease. these things are great if you need a spare machine running linux or another OS or other hobbyist stuff.
Congrats for 100k subscribers!!! Great content!
Small world, we go to the same "local Micro Center!" Great content as always!
"hardly any fuss" *
*required a lot of fuss
:)
Love it :)
these tiny laptops are kind of a champ once you swap out the cellular modem for a ngff sata ssd, during my performance testing it ran elder scrolls 4 consistently well on medium settings, not too shabby!
Some people have luck installing the open sound driver off haikudepot.
Non-working trackpad and WLAN are the exact reason I ditched Haiku on my old Macbook Air A1370. Other than that, it worked fine there.
i've been a fan of BeOS since the 90s i've been lucky enough to be able to try it on my friends' PPC as a child then I installed the official version on my IBM Aptiva probably w 133mhz pentium 1 w a bus overclock.... I also tried Zeta OS ! Zeta was the best experience for the time but Haiku is the best now has come a long way and apparently 1000s of Radio stations run on BeOS or Haiku etc
$79 for a cellular equipped laptop is killer. I spent $280 on just the Snapdragon mmWave modem I put in my Latitude. I assume that thing comes with a cheap-o MediaTek LTE chip, but it still ain't _that_ cheap in the context of a $79 laptop.
Congratulations on 100K subs! You deserve it.
When I built my PC years ago the windows 8 license was $120 on newegg. Kind of insane to find a laptop for so much cheaper than the OS it's running on.
Being able to overclock on a laptop bios is pretty rare, at least, in my experience. Out of all of the semi recent laptops I have and old laptops I've had none of them allowed me to overclock😭
It's great to see that all the work put into the Linux kernel does pay off and the laptop worked almost perfectly with it.
Haiku is not Linux. Not at all. It's BeOS reborn.
This is a cool exercise. Thank you for doing it and showing us! I'm sort of amused that my ancient HP ProBook 6470B and 6570Bs are apparently quite a bit faster, but as you say this is a new unit.
Your content always puts a smile on my face, appreciate your sense of humor and fun so much!!
Is that your Cherokee XJ in the intro? If so, super clean. edit* Just saw the b-roll of you getting out of it. Very nice.
11:57 How did you get Minecraft on haiku? 🤔
Is that Jeep Cherokee at 0:01 yours? Also, congrats on your 100k sub milestone!! (Long time viewer, first time commenter)
Answered my own question at 0:58 🤦♂️ Collab?
Don't forget Emacs and gnuplot!!
That’s the same MicroCenter I used to work at.
Most of my attempts to try Haiku in recent years have been in virtual machines. Haven't tried it on bare metal in probably about ten to fifteen years. I just tried the latest nightly on my 2014 Lenovo laptop with 2013-era hardware. I bought this machine specifically for its Linux-friendly hardware and it has mid-range parts, packing quite a lot of power. Unfortunately, the Intel wireless card does not work although it is detected, so that immediately kills the idea of going any further with it. Maybe some day. I don't know if audio worked or not, but everything at least looked alright and at the proper resolution (Intel graphics plus nVidia GPU). Oh well... I'll just keep following it.
I think this laptop's windows license might be more expensive than the laptop itself 😂
I would definitely not try the overclocking, we have a cheap walmart gateway laptop with the same bios options and I tried messing with the bios options for fun, almost bricked the thing lol since the options were not supported by the hardware
I'm looking for a modern laptop that runs Haiku OS flawlessly with all features working out of the box.
Don't take this the wrong way, but... why? If you're not OK with tinkering a little then playing with haiku probably isn't for you in the first place.
@@asystole_ I'm ok with with it but I'm looking for a working system as a reference too.
That will probably exist only when the HAIKU team themselves make one.
I use mine with Linux Mint XFCE. Once I read how bad the internal speakers are, I stopped trying to get that part of the sound working. Out of the box you can pair with a bluetooth speaker or plug in a USB headset. It might be the same on Haiku.
Its a pretty cool little laptop. I've got a video on my channel about fixing the audio and using it for a bunch of ham radio related things. Hard to beat for the price/included "kit" and performance!
8:21 Can Haiku also use EXT4?
Even more impressive is Microcenter had this exact laptop for on sale for $49 just a month ago.
Fellow Pennsylvanian Microcenter haha!? Love the videos man keep up the great content
I bought one on eBay which was sold as used but looked pretty brand new to me. Put Haiku on it and my sound worked out of the box. Downloaded and installed the latest nightly. MyRUclips experience is a bit clunkier and it takes usually a 360 resolution to get playback. I used Web instead of Falcon. Might be my old and slow Edimax USB WLAN dongle. Probably try some variant of Linux on the SSD next go around. I see people putting Ubuntu on these. Thinking I might go for something a bit more lightweight.
I am very sure somebody smarter than you can get the sound working. They just need to write a device driver from scratch, no big deal.
When replacing the 4G modem card with the SSD, make sure to put some electrical tape on the two antenna connectors so it doesn't make contact with the other components.
I have fried a motherboard on an old laptop including sparks and smoke - I've learned my lesson 😅
omg I demand you tell me where I can get that hamster mouse I love it lol
I don't know if this would apply to Haiku or not, but in Ubuntu, sometimes on a fresh install you have to enable sound manually using the alsamixer command in the terminal. It's a bit obnoxious, but it usually works.
Love when my local micro center makes it into a video. Also yellow tortex just are the best picks
yep cant complain for that price, i got the same one as a 69$ openbox discount but it had not been used yet, through Arch on it with the Falkon browser. It still chugs on loading pages but once loaded it is fine. im guessing its the eMMC storage being slow on writes (have not tweaked it to get better performance, like using a ramdisk)
So now i got a $70 backup laptop for travel when i dont want to take my $1,000 laptop
I literally just bought one of these a month or two ago, for a lightweight ham radio laptop. Slow as heck, but it doesn't need to be fast, and it's hard to beat the price.
wsjt-x will run on just about anything :)
You need strong CPU for Haiku. Everything else may be shit but CPU should be strong. Since there is no hardware graphics acceleration CPU has to do everything.
Congrats on the 100K subs!!!
If I had a channel like this, I'd get a few cheap USB sound cards just to see if any sound could be had at all.
Also, amazed the tplink worked just fine on haiku when I still can't figure out how to get them to work in linux even with a guide...
Actually for $79 with a cellular modem, that thing seems like a perfect mobile SSH machine
A laptop with Windows 10 preinstalled that is cheaper than just buying a retail copy of Windows 10