gleb zotov The first fully armored imperial cavalry, the first knights, the first professional class of well armed horsemen working systematically as a warrior class, were the Sassanian cataphracts! How ironic, the Viking cavalry was absolutely no match to Sassanian cavalry, especially up close. They probably developed a better navy and perhaps their Varangian guard could hold their own against even the great Dalymite warriors from Mazandaran. However no way in hell could they match up to their cavalry. Roman emperors were captured by the Sassanians three times, the Shah stepped on one kneeled emporer in order to mount his horse! This all had alot to do with Sassanian knights who the Romans extremely feared and couldn't defeat.
+Jade Tiger The Romans probably feared the Persian horse archers more than their heavy cataphracts. Cataphracts were few in number, expensive, and all that armor was uncomfortable to use for long periods of time in such hot weather. At Carrhae, the Romans were primarily defeated by the Persian horse archers. The cataphracts were unable to break through the Roman infantry formations. Roman commanders even instructed their legionaries to use their pila as conventional thrusting spears against charging cavalry rather than to throw them.
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People please, when he's talking about best/worst factions in the game, he's looking at multiplayer battles, not campaigns. Any faction can be a good faction in campaign depending on unit roster, unit accessibility(thats a huge one), starting position, economic potential, etc. In campaign the player usually has an advantage simply on the basis of it's a human mind vs something that other human minds have tried to make work like a human mind. But when it is human vs human and skill is relatively equal between the players, then yes it does start to boil down to unit power, and their stats
I absolutely wreck using the Sassanids. With a mixture of the best shock cav, archers defended by immortals and then some dailamite infantry, they’re certainly not a weak roster. You just play them differently
The huns are most definitely not one if the weakest factions and let me explain. I started out playing this game as the huns on legendary the second I got the game and since then I've gotten my ass completely handed to me twice where I lost every one of my hordes and had to restart. My third play through I've finally figured it out and the huns are absolutely dangerous but not for the reasons you think. You rate the huns so low because your looking at factions ability to fight conventional battles well... the huns never fought conventionally and their unit composition resonates that. For starters most of the huns units especially their cav have average all round stats save for their melee attack which is absolutely through the roof on all of their units. Even their horse archers have upwards of 50 melee attack meaning they will hurt you in melee even if you do hurt them. Now. That doesn't seem like that great of an idea to have horse archers fight in melee right? Wrong! The huns best strategy would probably be to mass their best horse archer unit. Run around firing arrows and tiring the enemy out and then bull rushing with all of your horse archers. This accomplishes a number of things. You have missile superiority and a mobile advantage. So you win the skirmish exchange making them take more deaths due to missles than yourself. Then when you bull rush the enemy after they have been softened up by arrows the huns units even their horse archers have another brilliant ability called Scare (everyone). Since the hunnic horse archers have such incredible melee attack they cause enough casualties with their arrows and their initial bull rush to cause the enemy to waver and then the scare ability does the rest making them flee. Another thing about the huns. Their melee cav all has a huge bonus when fighting against cav which doesn't show up in the stat bar. I have never ever lost a cav on cav fight as the huns. The huns also have the fastest cavalry in the game with most of their cav over 90 speed.
Few people play MP, that's true, but the fact is that relative unit roster strength is almost completely irrelevant in SP: the key factor in difficulty is your starting strategic and diplomatic position, and your armies will always be good enough to do the job against the AI provided you can actually field them. This kind of analysis only really makes sense for MP. Anyway, it's a bit pointless to compare TW Huns to the real thing, because TW does a terrible job representing them. You can't depict this period without a proper vassalization/confederation system (for the Huns and the Germanic tribes) and a foederati system (for the Romans). Much of the Hunnic army was made up of subdued Germanic tribes - alas, not in this game.
Huns are the best faction in the game just nearly nobody can use it. I razed and pillaged 75-80% of the map including Rome and Constantinople and I won battles against enemies 4-5 times bigger than mine. Infantry is not relevant with the Huns I only used horse archers and shock cavalry with the Huns and in siege battles I bought 4 heavy infantry and 1 onager, the others were always horse archers and shock cavalry. As I said Huns are the best IF you can use it. I ended with a cultural victory in Hard difficulty as the strongest army in the campaign. I stormed through Eastern and Western Roman Empire without any hardship then I gone to North Africa and finaly I destroyed the Sassanid Empire. The key with the Huns is the Horse archer tactic without any infantry.
Hungarian Mapping Finally,the comment I looking for,my favourite factions is huns,huns are very different but poweful faction,generally they use hit and run tactics,flank tactics etc. huns are very powerful if you can use it
I love how filthy germanic peasants with hunting bows can shoot down the supposedly peerless Sassanid Marksmen with ease, how the supposedly feared Hunnic Cavalry get eaten alive by every other cavalry unit in the game, and how the god-tier levy freemen cut through the heavy infantry of the Romans (who supposedly conquered the world somehow) like it's nothing.
Why do they always make the Iranian factions shit?? I mean historically at least, the Sassanians were one of the super military powers of their day. Also they always get their culture, architecture, environments, skin you name it ... all wrong lol Why ??
+Daniel Bagheri Sarvestani hey are supposed to have Amazing archers, but in the game their shit and yes the cav is good, but against any shieldwall they lose horrendously
@098765 Craper not really... as far as i know during the 7 hundred years of the Persian Cetsphon was may be sacked once? Constantinople exchanged hands a couple of times too
@@db.sarvestani6554 they made sassanid weak intentioally...may they dont wanna confes about iranian super power 😉 yes we sorround the constantinople one time but dude we lost ctisphon one time too...i dont wanna say iran was weak but at least our power touch romans and consider that our history written by romans
I don't need cost efective units when playing Sasanids becouse their campaing is so easy, im rich as fuck. Also, Huns burned half one quarter of map so i wouldn't call them weak.
thats true sassanid campaign is so easy, i started mi first campaign with the jutes and conquered 92 cities, while 38k of my incomes were from them, and i still was poor cause i didnt know about the huge corruption, but my frontiers joined theirs, and they were just waiting for me,with 12 full armies, and they didnt care about losing the 38k income of the route, they were freakin rich and everybody was their puppet so i couldnt expand my jute empire.So i decided to try a sassanid campaign,and now Im on 406/407 and i have 8 full armies with catapults, elephants, mercenaries and so on,only 15 cities,with an income of 15k per turn as i have 13 puppet states and military aliances with both roman empires, so they give me gold for joining wars against people i havent found yet.Also is so easy to conquer as them,as your shock cav fcks every light troop, the archers are strong,and you can easily buy crossbows,as cav too.So, they may be weak fighting,as their melee cav sucks and shock is average, but sassanid campaign is soooo easy. I cant wait to see what surprises are waiting for me,as there are many factions on the north at war, but who cares,Im sassanid and Im rich
+Pablito123 The Huns are only able to raze one quarter of the map because of unlimited stacks until Attila dies. Strength in numbers. If you play as them you start with three hordes.
+Mario Fransisko Thats so true, Im doing the campaign map as himyar in legendary, and i started a war against the sassanids when they were better than me,but i have won battles of 2k of my soldiers against 5k of sassanids. Their gripanvar cataphracts are so weak against the armoured camel warriors,and you can kill all their infantry with some baltha defenders.The only problem are the savaran crossbows.
@@danielfraiz74 Yeah, I trashed them pretty hard as Tanukhids after I set up shop in Scythia and bought off the Slavs and Huns. Ironically, it was by accident too. I only wanted the Southern iron and salt, but the dumb AI refused to accept a treaty until it was being trashed on all sides by myself, the ERE and the other DLC Sand factions. Now they're almost dead.
Desertfox A build with 12 infatry units? No skirmsihing? ZERO melee cav? GG Steppe lancers can be shot to death or simply killed by the better melee cav. You lost your cav, you lost the battle. Even if they get the charge right any decent melee cav will melt them. I have never lost to a player using the Huns, in fact I think I've never lost more than 50% of my men agaisnt someone using them. But there were only a few battles, 5-6, noone uses them... They can be good in team game, in that scenario the build you sugested would do well, but only if your ally had something like 10 good melee cav units. and 5-6 germanic archers.
MrPsilva95 It works. Huns suck at skirmish and they have no good melee cav, so you have to use the steppe lancer. There is no way to make a cost-effective build otherwise. I have beaten some very good players with that build. They think they can easily kill your lancers so they charge them and you support the fight with boshporion inf and GG WP NO RE
Desertfox So you have to bank on huge misstakes from your opponent to make that build work? No thanks. The steeppe lancer is just an okay mid tier shock cav, nothing expectacular, FIVE of them cant carry a build. I know thats probably the best build the Huns have, I agree with you, but thats still pretty bad. If you enemy is just a bit patiente he will unload his arrows at the cav.
The first fully armored imperial cavalry, the first knights, the first professional class of well armed horsemen working systematically as a warrior class, were the Sassanian cataphracts! How ironic
Roman cavalry was not expected to win battles. Nor were there skirmishers. Their cavalry was there just to distract enemy cavalry and scout. They would skirmish (literally, not in the game sense) and give enemy cavalry a run around drawing them away from the battle.
Phhhhh ahahhahaha you have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about, do you? This game takes place in approximately 400 ad, not 50 bc. How do you not realize this, the game is literally named Attila and you called them the western Roman Empire, not simply Rome. The Roman’s have already created their version cataphract cavalary and being a soldier in the comes cavalary was literally one of the most prestigious positions in the military. You are referencing the period of time prior to Antony and Crassus’ Persian failures. Rome would never have been successful against Persia If what you are saying was true
The Huns need better health on their cav and need to have better mobility and Parthian shot for any cav with bows. They're the Huns man! This should be expected for them, not the uar infantry as their champs.
its fun because im playing a lot of campaigns now on legendary, and i have to say that used by the AI, the sassanids and the huns are a really big headache. Sassanids always do the same, they manage to get your troops blocked with armenian spears and sogdian warriors while huge amounts of kurdish archers are firing over your infantry and if you try to go for them with your cav, theyll get stuck by lakhmid scouts, then camel raiders and cataphracts while theyre massacred by the archers,and if you lose your cav your infantry will suffer heavy casualties due to shock cav or savaran cav,specially the mercenary with partian shot. I find it really hard specially with the eastern roman empire, as my infantry is armoured legio and lanciarii seniores wich is really slow, and my cav is almost all mercenary mounted persian warriors and equites promoti, with only a few units of scholae. And then the huns are a real pain in the ass, because they cant to a thing in melee range, only the chosen uar warrior can bring some problems, but the problem are the hunic mounted archers and the devil archers.Basically your infantry cant kill them because they simply run ro the limits of the maps, and in the process your units die,and if you try to kill them with cav,they get murdered by arrows coming from 3 directions. Ive seen that the only way to win is to eliminate all the melee units and then form defensive formations with the infantry and wait till they run out of ammo or get too close. those factions are op in AI hands because they also use advanced units not only cheap ones. Its fun how the most useless factions for online are op in campaign
well did you tray make Huns in 1x calvary general + 19x Bow Calvary (hunnic mounted bows) in campaign? Set fire arrows, skirmish mode, fire at will I can easy win vs 2000 man normal army
I know this video is old BUT its not true that Sassanids dont have decent melee cavalry. Archer immortal cavalry actually have spears as their melee weapon (good against cavalry), good armor, shields, and nice defensive ability (cant remember what it is called). So i tested them and came up with that they can easily win against ANY other melee cavalry with axes or swords. And give a good fight to those with spears, considering that they have bows, speed, good rate of fire and parthian shot they a one of the best cav in game IMO. In campaign im actually came up with 5-6 of them in each stack.
@sum body why ? I think total war creator make sassanids unit weaker than its reality i m persian and i know sassanids and parthian cavarly easily fear and break enemies even roman legion i don t know why they make them like this these factions deserve best quality of cav
@@پارساصدیق-خ4س The Sassanids have great Shock Cavalry and Armenian slingers the problem is that it’s all they have that’s truly exceptional. Everything else is mediocre, even IRANIAN archers lose to Germanic Longbows, wtf?
When we talk about Huns or more general Turkic or steppe warfare, mass fighting does not work at all. Mobility and organisation are their charms. Its like you ask from a kung fu fighter to make wrestling. No. Huns strenght is their Horse archers. Shock cavalry and skilled infantry only finish the work after that. First, main actors a.k.a. horse archers finish off the enemy cavs. Without horses, enemy gets crippled. Then rest is done by the infantry & shock cav. Also horse archers charges from behind. If enemy tries to turtling, Huns use catapults. Also many times I made this method: ”Attack, use all of the arrows from horse archers and retreat” to weaken the enemy. So Huns are not weak at all.
@@marcinmostek1242 Melee cavalry was very strong in Attila. There were patches, though, so I am not aware of the competitive state of the game as of now.
The WRE has one of the best infantry roster in the game. And did you really say that the best way to win with the huns is recruiting much infantry?? Do you even know how deadly the mounted archers of the huns are? You can destroy a complete army without any losses if you're smart. The reason why they are so strong is that you can recruit their bow cavalry even in the early game compared to other factions.
gonna respectfully disagree on the huns cavalry. They have the 2nd best horse cavalry archer units in-game and great selection overall of infantry + cavalry
Total disagree about the Western Roman Faction. It all depends on which troops you have on hand for the right job. For example. To fight the hardest faction which would be the Huns(earlier in the game) you would need two types of troops. #1 Conuti Senoires Spearmen, #2 Large Onagers , which hurl incendiary rounds which can reach very far distances. Aimed correctly they are devastating for cavalry. Also troop formations also play a big role in this strategy as well. Basically have your Spearmen surround the Catapults and have your own cavalry units support the rear. and have the units in testudio formation. It's a winning formula that works everytime. I understand that the Western Roman empire is the hardest faction to play, but it's the most challenging and most fun in my opinion and I've learned alot. As long as you secure all of Italy, Spain, North Africa and half of Gual. Over time you can build wealth. Currently I have 1,000,000 gold in the Treasury and an income of 35,000 per turn. And that's with my taxes on low in order to keep the populace happy, feeding them is the problem. I'm going to use this wealth to rebuild my Empire and then make the empire whole again. Amen.
C'mon, just because the huns are known for their horses doesn't mean they fought on them! They simply used them as a means of transportation. Once the battle is over they'd mount on the horses and ride to the next target. It's like a truck, you don't fight on it ;)
okay guys first off The Huns are actually famous for their cavalry, that's the truth, but the game got it wrong by making it expensive. Their horse archers are very light but very fast and just surrounds the army and shooting them. Their usual tactics, and then attacking with infantry. And actually the sassanids has good archers, not from history, but from the game. Their Persian archers can kill half of my Eastern warriors(Very Heavy infantry) before dying off which is insanely crazy
Highly disagree in regards too the huns. Warriors of the Steppe relied on speed and mobility rather than stopping power. All of their abilities, research and stats reflects this. In a conventional melee fight, sure they'd lose, but you'd never get close enough to initiate one. Historically, the Europeans fighting the Huns/Mongols would get withered down with horse archer fire before being finished off with a final charge from their lancers. In most fights, done correctly the Huns barely lose any men at all. Now the drawback the huns have is attacking Cities/Fortifications where mobility cant be taken advantage of and requires brute force, and for reasons like this is why Attila in history never attacked constantinople. In regards to the absurdly good melee infantry. Idk what the fuark CA was on about there.
_Now the drawback the huns have is attacking Cities/Fortifications where mobility cant be taken advantage of and requires brute force_ This is not so clear. I mean, Attila razed numerous cities.
I know this is an old video but "I made Rome great again" by playing as the Western Roman Empire, I happened to beat the campaign as them way back then. Oh yeah and I brought back paganism.
If you dont now how to play this faction. how you can now their are the weakest? Every faction in attila have strong and weakest side man and these tree faction are for experienced player I think :-) But its your opinion and I respect it
In directly you are wrong because if you use the units WISELY then they are not weak, for example, use if you are using the crossbow cavalry for the Sassanids wisely ( like shooting arrows at good units ) then they are powerful, but if you use them in a stupid way ( like shooting melita when they are in lose formation ) then they are weak, so you can't really say they are bad factions
Bro, you just stated the most strongest factions in Total War Atilla. I would say western roman empire are weak at the start, but i have seen them get crazy strong afterwards.
I have tinkered with the wre's roster for months, and yes, they have some of the worst cav in the whole game. BUT, the noble javelins are actually great at killing cav, due to their spear and high damage ranged attack. Ive tested them against tagmata, and i was perplexed at how well the trade off was. They are expensive though, so use them extremely wisely. Always have them on the flanks, with a good spear wall and crossbows to actually kill the enemy army. I quite like the good roman spears (forgot their name). They are very flexible and i would say are probs the second best spear unit in the game (first being masqal spears imo). The only damaging sword unit wre has is the herculanii senores, which are really expensive so i would mainly comprise the melee line out of spears which are more cost efficient and generally better in melee. Bottom line is, dont get cav, get the noble foederati javelinmen on your flanks, and make a solid spear line to defend your missile units. Hopefully this is a helpful guide for folks wanting to play wre and not get creamed by factions with better cav.
The roman empire is mainly focused on defensive infantry: obviusly due to the campaign situations you will face with them Sassanids are focused on heavy cavalry and yes: the rest of the roaster is not so good but still able to face pretty well other factions Huns are the best faction in the game hands down, you can defeat an elite enemy army just with an army of all cavalry archers If you know how to use them
@@gabrielnguyen5580 yes, however most of alans infantry is just bad or with major problems, mostly low missile protection and not as defensive as some hunnic units
Can't agree with you with West Rome, I love them in online battles. Fantastic melee infantry. Most importantly, they are almost immune to missile fire. So when I use West Rome, 98% of enemy ammo will be wasted. 3 legio as meet shields, take up enemy charge, then hercules senorita goes in for the kill.
Are horse archers really that useless in multiplayer? The Huns were historically mainly a horse archer based military and playing single player campaign a horse archer army seems to perform quite well, what is causing a completely horse archer army to not be effective in multiplayer?
the ones with parthian shot either don't have enough ammo/damage or are too slow. if you want ammo and speed you gotta spend 800 for 1 unit, while ERE for the same amount of money can bring 1 tagmata. also horse archers take up slots, so you'll have something less in other categories. you wouldbe tempted to go with less infantry as the huns, shame that that's the only good thing about them. so you either go with less archers or with less cav, which is terrible anyway, no matter how many you bring.
Especially the Hunss are one of the Strongest faction. i only use Cavalerie and that against a superior enemy army with lost of spear-units. Only Cavalerie is a hell of micromanagement sometimes, but it's woth it. Just the Elephants in a "all Cavaleriy" Horde are just devastating-charge and sacrifice to me :D I play the battles on Insane and the Kampagne on very hard
Although they are better than WRE and the Sassanids, against a equaly skilled player who brings the germanic meta, you are going to have a hard time with the huns.
***** if someone is stupid enough to do 1vs1 cav engaments with the huns, then off course u will loose. The key is using ur cav just for the purpose of shielding ur Uars from enemy cav whenever ur cav gets engaed with a enemy cav u suppord immediately with uars, off course the opponent have to send his own support then. Feel free to test what happens in a mix of a steppe lancer / elite lancer with an uar against an goldlevel germanic cav and 90 percent of germanic inf in a mix. GG
Obelix theGreat Used it against very good players and they used it against me. If ur able to support cav engamenst with uars quick enough u win 90 % of the time if not u loose. Huns are not a safe bet in any case but theire are some powerfull builds out theire. And if u make one mistake u can get crushed. That apliies to both sides tho.
***** original post : With max 6 cav rules, Huns can be very powerfull and able to beat every other faction. Max 6 huns can be very strong , Max 8 can work 2 but more dificult. Again goal is to not get an 1vs1 cav engagement always support with uars. U can add me on steam if u like. steamcommunity.com/id/BxBaracus/
This review is only based on stats, so it's not too useful. Western Roman infantry formations make them tremendously effective on defensive positions and able to resist almost any frontal attack. The problem with WRE is immigration and continuous enemy influx, that makes your territories almost unbereable due to unrest. Huns are also hard to play, they kill as hell (terrible arrow clouds, and skirmish, easily decimate enemy cavalry and then rush infantry with arrows and devastatingly charge them when the morale is low), but AI huns have millions of free spawned armies while huns player struggle to have a decent amount of them.
The WRE is trash, but aside from the cavalry weakness (easily remedied by holding onto Britannia since that place and the province the franks start in contain a nordic merc marauders that beats all early and mid tier barbarian, African, and hun melee cavalry), you pretty much missed out on the top seven reasons why it sucks so bad. Or 8 if you count "Huns are hardcoded to come for you"
guys, sorry for my stupid question. I'm a bit of a noob -I just enjoy watching the battle videos-. Why is cav so important in attila? and why wasn't it important in rome2
This is a late comment but perhaps they are the weakest factions because historically, western rome fell, the huns were defeated, and the sassanids were eventually wiped out later on, leaving europe to the barbarian kingdoms and the byzantine empire
The Western Roman infantry and skirmishers kick ads dude, I don't know how you've been playing. I expanded as the WRE on hard, and then killed Attila and and destroyed ALL the Germans and Nomads.
No Garamants ? no ? Instead of them you put west romans that have the best crossbows ? Garamants are shit in every way.and sassanids,you mean the faction with best artillery,bomb throwers,elephants,best spears ? Ye,seems about right...
I have not played attila in 2015,so i dont know if some factions were balanced.English is not my mature language so ye,i might have some gaps,but i would appreciate if you could tell me what did i wrote wrong
I've played the Sassanid Empire in the Grand Campaign. I'm currently in my second Campaign as them and I've already conquered factions as far flung as the Saxons. I cannot agree therefore with the Sassanid Empire being weak at all. It has some of the most robust Units that aren't even included on the list of Infantry available on quick battle. The Royal Barracks unlocks the recruitment of Royal Sassanid Swordsmen which make up a quarter of my main fighting forces. Nay, you're wrong to underestimate the power of the Sassanid Empire under the control of a competent player.
Huns: the Ardiaei of TW Attila. The only differance is that the Ardiaei had one trash cav unit and the Huns have a crap tone of those. (not going to point out inf here)
so, the bogeyman of the era and the eastern empire that keeps on living are weak. good job CA, good job. (I do agree on the west roman empire though :P )
I am late but the Huns are not one of the weakest nations! If they were weak why did they made empires cry and destroyed them in real life? :) Also they have better Unit rosters and their cavalry is godlike!
Dude western Roman empire is meant for stationary fighting, No need for good cav when you can sit and eat the cav charges and archer fire while your javelins do the work. The Sassanids have good armoured lancers which melt non braced infantry for breakfast as well as crossbow cav that is a mobile buzz saw as well as having sufficiantly good infantry to hold the line. The huns are about speed and good micro, in multiplayer all factions are strong and all you can win with. You fail to see such and instead see factions with a weak spot as immediate garbage. In truth you fail to realise the Effectiveness each roster holds within it and Deicide not to realise their potential because you see anything unconventional as something which has No use, all three of these factions require you to use their strengths well. I have won with all these against Evenly Mached opponents playing the „best” factions by using unconventional or even cheesy tactics to win battles that you would be crushed in if you were to use conventional methods. You can not just say that the faction is bad because What because they do not have germanic horse, vandal raiders crush germanic horse easy
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vikings always was known for better cavalry than huns and sassanids!
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gleb zotov The first fully armored imperial cavalry, the first knights, the first professional class of well armed horsemen working systematically as a warrior class, were the Sassanian cataphracts! How ironic, the Viking cavalry was absolutely no match to Sassanian cavalry, especially up close.
They probably developed a better navy and perhaps their Varangian guard could hold their own against even the great Dalymite warriors from Mazandaran. However no way in hell could they match up to their cavalry. Roman emperors were captured by the Sassanians three times, the Shah stepped on one kneeled emporer in order to mount his horse! This all had alot to do with Sassanian knights who the Romans extremely feared and couldn't defeat.
+Jade Tiger The Romans probably feared the Persian horse archers more than their heavy cataphracts. Cataphracts were few in number, expensive, and all that armor was uncomfortable to use for long periods of time in such hot weather. At Carrhae, the Romans were primarily defeated by the Persian horse archers. The cataphracts were unable to break through the Roman infantry formations. Roman commanders even instructed their legionaries to use their pila as conventional thrusting spears against charging cavalry rather than to throw them.
+gleb zotov (glbz) Fun fact, Normans (medieval viking predecessors) gave birth to heavy cavalry warfare :P
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gleb zotov huns were sailing wariors they could not dismont horses from the ship that fast to not get wiped out
Because we all know the Huns were renowned for their world class heavy infantry.
Attila didn't even ride a horse, did you know that? I'm a historian.
your source ?
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+Helis Please say you just joke. You can't really believe it.
Uralic are northern European languages. The Altaic language idea has been discredited in modern times - Turkic, Mongolic, and Eastern Siberian languages are not as closely related as once throught. Japanese, Korean, etc are not related to either of these. And Turks from Turkey are not remotely similar to ancient Turks. Modern Turks in Turkey are similar to Europeans and are basically Caucasians (mixture of Greek, Persian, Armenian, Anatolian, etc) with some Eastern Asian heritage. The ancient Turks were more Eastern Asian and more mixed instead of mostly Caucasian.
ARN Huns in this game = Mongolian fight and music style, Japanese height, Southern Asian facial expression
People please, when he's talking about best/worst factions in the game, he's looking at multiplayer battles, not campaigns. Any faction can be a good faction in campaign depending on unit roster, unit accessibility(thats a huge one), starting position, economic potential, etc. In campaign the player usually has an advantage simply on the basis of it's a human mind vs something that other human minds have tried to make work like a human mind. But when it is human vs human and skill is relatively equal between the players, then yes it does start to boil down to unit power, and their stats
Nailed it
I absolutely wreck using the Sassanids. With a mixture of the best shock cav, archers defended by immortals and then some dailamite infantry, they’re certainly not a weak roster. You just play them differently
They apparently suck in multiplayer. But the video was 6 years ago so maybe they got updates
@@suomusinttiNo updates since February 2016.
The huns are most definitely not one if the weakest factions and let me explain. I started out playing this game as the huns on legendary the second I got the game and since then I've gotten my ass completely handed to me twice where I lost every one of my hordes and had to restart. My third play through I've finally figured it out and the huns are absolutely dangerous but not for the reasons you think. You rate the huns so low because your looking at factions ability to fight conventional battles well... the huns never fought conventionally and their unit composition resonates that. For starters most of the huns units especially their cav have average all round stats save for their melee attack which is absolutely through the roof on all of their units. Even their horse archers have upwards of 50 melee attack meaning they will hurt you in melee even if you do hurt them. Now. That doesn't seem like that great of an idea to have horse archers fight in melee right? Wrong! The huns best strategy would probably be to mass their best horse archer unit. Run around firing arrows and tiring the enemy out and then bull rushing with all of your horse archers. This accomplishes a number of things. You have missile superiority and a mobile advantage. So you win the skirmish exchange making them take more deaths due to missles than yourself. Then when you bull rush the enemy after they have been softened up by arrows the huns units even their horse archers have another brilliant ability called Scare (everyone). Since the hunnic horse archers have such incredible melee attack they cause enough casualties with their arrows and their initial bull rush to cause the enemy to waver and then the scare ability does the rest making them flee. Another thing about the huns. Their melee cav all has a huge bonus when fighting against cav which doesn't show up in the stat bar. I have never ever lost a cav on cav fight as the huns. The huns also have the fastest cavalry in the game with most of their cav over 90 speed.
hes talking about multyplayer and units not campaining
why would he do that who plays multiplayer in total war games?
Few people play MP, that's true, but the fact is that relative unit roster strength is almost completely irrelevant in SP: the key factor in difficulty is your starting strategic and diplomatic position, and your armies will always be good enough to do the job against the AI provided you can actually field them. This kind of analysis only really makes sense for MP.
Anyway, it's a bit pointless to compare TW Huns to the real thing, because TW does a terrible job representing them. You can't depict this period without a proper vassalization/confederation system (for the Huns and the Germanic tribes) and a foederati system (for the Romans). Much of the Hunnic army was made up of subdued Germanic tribes - alas, not in this game.
Completely agree. Very good analysis.
@@hrotha This is why I got the confederation and all diplomatic options (client and tributary states) mods.
hahaha the main factions of the game suck like wtf?
+AvWorgen yea... at least in Rome 2 guess who is the best? (or at least top tier)
+AvWorgen cuz they want you to buy the DLC factions :B
I prefer to use the Celts and destroy the norsemen because fuck vikings! :)))
WRE is weakest by design.
Weakest Roman Empire, Sissynids and Attila the Nun.
True - they didn't stand the test of time.
Huns are the best faction in the game just nearly nobody can use it. I razed and pillaged 75-80% of the map including Rome and Constantinople and I won battles against enemies 4-5 times bigger than mine. Infantry is not relevant with the Huns I only used horse archers and shock cavalry with the Huns and in siege battles I bought 4 heavy infantry and 1 onager, the others were always horse archers and shock cavalry. As I said Huns are the best IF you can use it. I ended with a cultural victory in Hard difficulty as the strongest army in the campaign. I stormed through Eastern and Western Roman Empire without any hardship then I gone to North Africa and finaly I destroyed the Sassanid Empire. The key with the Huns is the Horse archer tactic without any infantry.
He is talking about multiplayer matches.
Hungarian Mapping Finally,the comment I looking for,my favourite factions is huns,huns are very different but poweful faction,generally they use hit and run tactics,flank tactics etc. huns are very powerful if you can use it
Mukan Khan in online battles you will usually lose playing as the huns
he's talking about multiplayer you poop! not noob ai based single player!
I love how filthy germanic peasants with hunting bows can shoot down the supposedly peerless Sassanid Marksmen with ease, how the supposedly feared Hunnic Cavalry get eaten alive by every other cavalry unit in the game, and how the god-tier levy freemen cut through the heavy infantry of the Romans (who supposedly conquered the world somehow) like it's nothing.
you just seem to be looking at the stats and not the abillities...
no new videos Maximus??? where the hell are you all this years
sasanids are so rich cost effectiveness doesn't count and they have heaps of units like armored elephants an immortals that do fine.
wow, three of the biggest and most important factions in the game are the weakest.
CA Please!!!!!
WRE Crap cavalry is realistic given the remarks on them made by the primary sources
Why do they always make the Iranian factions shit??
I mean historically at least, the Sassanians were one of the super military powers of their day. Also they always get their culture, architecture, environments, skin you name it ... all wrong lol Why ??
+Daniel Bagheri Sarvestani hey are supposed to have Amazing archers, but in the game their shit and yes the cav is good, but against any shieldwall they lose horrendously
@@altair3118 I don't think Persian archers are bad per se, just archers in general are in a rough spot.
@098765 Craper not really... as far as i know during the 7 hundred years of the Persian Cetsphon was may be sacked once? Constantinople exchanged hands a couple of times too
@@db.sarvestani6554 they made sassanid weak intentioally...may they dont wanna confes about iranian super power 😉 yes we sorround the constantinople one time but dude we lost ctisphon one time too...i dont wanna say iran was weak but at least our power touch romans and consider that our history written by romans
@@experienceunique shut up
I don't need cost efective units when playing Sasanids becouse their campaing is so easy, im rich as fuck. Also, Huns burned half one quarter of map so i wouldn't call them weak.
thats true sassanid campaign is so easy, i started mi first campaign with the jutes and conquered 92 cities, while 38k of my incomes were from them, and i still was poor cause i didnt know about the huge corruption, but my frontiers joined theirs, and they were just waiting for me,with 12 full armies, and they didnt care about losing the 38k income of the route, they were freakin rich and everybody was their puppet so i couldnt expand my jute empire.So i decided to try a sassanid campaign,and now Im on 406/407 and i have 8 full armies with catapults, elephants, mercenaries and so on,only 15 cities,with an income of 15k per turn as i have 13 puppet states and military aliances with both roman empires, so they give me gold for joining wars against people i havent found yet.Also is so easy to conquer as them,as your shock cav fcks every light troop, the archers are strong,and you can easily buy crossbows,as cav too.So, they may be weak fighting,as their melee cav sucks and shock is average, but sassanid campaign is soooo easy. I cant wait to see what surprises are waiting for me,as there are many factions on the north at war, but who cares,Im sassanid and Im rich
+Pablito123 The Huns are only able to raze one quarter of the map because of unlimited stacks until Attila dies. Strength in numbers. If you play as them you start with three hordes.
himyar is better than sassanids in late game, dont u agree?
+Mario Fransisko Thats so true, Im doing the campaign map as himyar in legendary, and i started a war against the sassanids when they were better than me,but i have won battles of 2k of my soldiers against 5k of sassanids. Their gripanvar cataphracts are so weak against the armoured camel warriors,and you can kill all their infantry with some baltha defenders.The only problem are the savaran crossbows.
@@danielfraiz74 Yeah, I trashed them pretty hard as Tanukhids after I set up shop in Scythia and bought off the Slavs and Huns. Ironically, it was by accident too. I only wanted the Southern iron and salt, but the dumb AI refused to accept a treaty until it was being trashed on all sides by myself, the ERE and the other DLC Sand factions. Now they're almost dead.
I couldnt agree more, these faction really need some love from CA. Oddly enough they are three out of the four strongest faction in the campaing...
Huns are so-so 5 steppe lancers, 4 uars, 4 boashparion inf, 4 boshparion warriors, and they are decent at best.
Desertfox A build with 12 infatry units? No skirmsihing? ZERO melee cav? GG Steppe lancers can be shot to death or simply killed by the better melee cav. You lost your cav, you lost the battle. Even if they get the charge right any decent melee cav will melt them. I have never lost to a player using the Huns, in fact I think I've never lost more than 50% of my men agaisnt someone using them. But there were only a few battles, 5-6, noone uses them... They can be good in team game, in that scenario the build you sugested would do well, but only if your ally had something like 10 good melee cav units. and 5-6 germanic archers.
MrPsilva95
It works. Huns suck at skirmish and they have no good melee cav, so you have to use the steppe lancer. There is no way to make a cost-effective build otherwise. I have beaten some very good players with that build. They think they can easily kill your lancers so they charge them and you support the fight with boshporion inf and GG WP NO RE
Desertfox So you have to bank on huge misstakes from your opponent to make that build work? No thanks. The steeppe lancer is just an okay mid tier shock cav, nothing expectacular, FIVE of them cant carry a build. I know thats probably the best build the Huns have, I agree with you, but thats still pretty bad. If you enemy is just a bit patiente he will unload his arrows at the cav.
CA doesn't have time for fixing that, they busy milking ppl with more new culture pack -.-
The first fully armored imperial cavalry, the first knights, the first professional class of well armed horsemen working systematically as a warrior class, were the Sassanian cataphracts! How ironic
Roman cavalry was not expected to win battles. Nor were there skirmishers. Their cavalry was there just to distract enemy cavalry and scout. They would skirmish (literally, not in the game sense) and give enemy cavalry a run around drawing them away from the battle.
Phhhhh ahahhahaha you have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about, do you?
This game takes place in approximately 400 ad, not 50 bc.
How do you not realize this, the game is literally named Attila and you called them the western Roman Empire, not simply Rome.
The Roman’s have already created their version cataphract cavalary and being a soldier in the comes cavalary was literally one of the most prestigious positions in the military.
You are referencing the period of time prior to Antony and Crassus’ Persian failures.
Rome would never have been successful against Persia If what you are saying was true
you forgot to talk about the huns OP xeonite horse archers that take no damage and are extremely accurate
The Huns need better health on their cav and need to have better mobility and Parthian shot for any cav with bows. They're the Huns man! This should be expected for them, not the uar infantry as their champs.
its fun because im playing a lot of campaigns now on legendary, and i have to say that used by the AI, the sassanids and the huns are a really big headache. Sassanids always do the same, they manage to get your troops blocked with armenian spears and sogdian warriors while huge amounts of kurdish archers are firing over your infantry and if you try to go for them with your cav, theyll get stuck by lakhmid scouts, then camel raiders and cataphracts while theyre massacred by the archers,and if you lose your cav your infantry will suffer heavy casualties due to shock cav or savaran cav,specially the mercenary with partian shot. I find it really hard specially with the eastern roman empire, as my infantry is armoured legio and lanciarii seniores wich is really slow, and my cav is almost all mercenary mounted persian warriors and equites promoti, with only a few units of scholae. And then the huns are a real pain in the ass, because they cant to a thing in melee range, only the chosen uar warrior can bring some problems, but the problem are the hunic mounted archers and the devil archers.Basically your infantry cant kill them because they simply run ro the limits of the maps, and in the process your units die,and if you try to kill them with cav,they get murdered by arrows coming from 3 directions. Ive seen that the only way to win is to eliminate all the melee units and then form defensive formations with the infantry and wait till they run out of ammo or get too close. those factions are op in AI hands because they also use advanced units not only cheap ones. Its fun how the most useless factions for online are op in campaign
This guy: WRE is the worst faction in attila
Romans: *laughs in testudo*
*STAND READY, DEFENSIVE TESTUDO*
well did you tray make Huns in 1x calvary general + 19x Bow Calvary (hunnic mounted bows) in campaign?
Set fire arrows, skirmish mode, fire at will
I can easy win vs 2000 man normal army
2000 army is not that big, considering you are fielding 20 units yourself.
I know this video is old BUT its not true that Sassanids dont have decent melee cavalry. Archer immortal cavalry actually have spears as their melee weapon (good against cavalry), good armor, shields, and nice defensive ability (cant remember what it is called). So i tested them and came up with that they can easily win against ANY other melee cavalry with axes or swords. And give a good fight to those with spears, considering that they have bows, speed, good rate of fire and parthian shot they a one of the best cav in game IMO. In campaign im actually came up with 5-6 of them in each stack.
alex vov want to ask you, what do you think about mounted crossbow of sassanids ?
6 years later and I'm still losing my mind how strong Eastern roman pikes are
Disagree! Sassanid empire is one of the strongest faction in game!
@sum body why ? I think total war creator make sassanids unit weaker than its reality i m persian and i know sassanids and parthian cavarly easily fear and break enemies even roman legion i don t know why they make them like this these factions deserve best quality of cav
@@پارساصدیق-خ4س They are weaker in the Multiplayer and not the Campaign. In the Campaign the Sassanids are a powerhouse.
@@پارساصدیق-خ4س The Sassanids have great Shock Cavalry and Armenian slingers the problem is that it’s all they have that’s truly exceptional. Everything else is mediocre, even IRANIAN archers lose to Germanic Longbows, wtf?
BITCH, SASSANIDS ARE SO RICH THEY'LL JUST BUY MOM TO CUT OF UR FOOD SOURCE. no really, they're awesome
I think your point is about the multiplayer matches. For the campaign, Huns and Sassanids are not weak at all.
When we talk about Huns or more general Turkic or steppe warfare, mass fighting does not work at all. Mobility and organisation are their charms. Its like you ask from a kung fu fighter to make wrestling. No. Huns strenght is their Horse archers. Shock cavalry and skilled infantry only finish the work after that. First, main actors a.k.a. horse archers finish off the enemy cavs. Without horses, enemy gets crippled. Then rest is done by the infantry & shock cav. Also horse archers charges from behind. If enemy tries to turtling, Huns use catapults. Also many times I made this method: ”Attack, use all of the arrows from horse archers and retreat” to weaken the enemy. So Huns are not weak at all.
He is talking about multiplayer.
This Dude only Cares about melee cav
@@marcinmostek1242 Melee cavalry was very strong in Attila. There were patches, though, so I am not aware of the competitive state of the game as of now.
The WRE has one of the best infantry roster in the game. And did you really say that the best way to win with the huns is recruiting much infantry?? Do you even know how deadly the mounted archers of the huns are? You can destroy a complete army without any losses if you're smart. The reason why they are so strong is that you can recruit their bow cavalry even in the early game compared to other factions.
He is talking about multiplayer.
gonna respectfully disagree on the huns cavalry. They have the 2nd best horse cavalry archer units in-game and great selection overall of infantry + cavalry
+Mr. C. Its almost like this video was made 6 months ago, and there have been numerous balance patches since then :D
+milkandcookiesTW almost...
yeah the white huns have the best horse archers, but they aren't on this list are they
so many people are like they are not so weak, look what I did in the Campaign...... There is not just a Singleplayer in that game
But they are not bad in multiplayer either, i made a comment about it
Total disagree about the Western Roman Faction. It all depends on which troops you have on hand for the right job. For example. To fight the hardest faction which would be the Huns(earlier in the game) you would need two types of troops. #1 Conuti Senoires Spearmen, #2 Large Onagers , which hurl incendiary rounds which can reach very far distances. Aimed correctly they are devastating for cavalry. Also troop formations also play a big role in this strategy as well. Basically have your Spearmen surround the Catapults and have your own cavalry units support the rear. and have the units in testudio formation. It's a winning formula that works everytime. I understand that the Western Roman empire is the hardest faction to play, but it's the most challenging and most fun in my opinion and I've learned alot. As long as you secure all of Italy, Spain, North Africa and half of Gual. Over time you can build wealth. Currently I have 1,000,000 gold in the Treasury and an income of 35,000 per turn. And that's with my taxes on low in order to keep the populace happy, feeding them is the problem. I'm going to use this wealth to rebuild my Empire and then make the empire whole again.
Amen.
he's talking about multiplayer not noob singleplayer
C'mon, just because the huns are known for their horses doesn't mean they fought on them! They simply used them as a means of transportation. Once the battle is over they'd mount on the horses and ride to the next target.
It's like a truck, you don't fight on it ;)
how would the celts and the desert factions fit in these top and bottom 3 factions list?
Maximus could you give me a background on the hun origins, religion and such
WRE is great have you ever used the Revenna crossbow man the only faction I've won on legendary is WRE
Yep. Get through the first ten turns and you're golden.
He is talking about multiplayer.
okay guys first off The Huns are actually famous for their cavalry, that's the truth, but the game got it wrong by making it expensive. Their horse archers are very light but very fast and just surrounds the army and shooting them. Their usual tactics, and then attacking with infantry. And actually the sassanids has good archers, not from history, but from the game. Their Persian archers can kill half of my Eastern warriors(Very Heavy infantry) before dying off which is insanely crazy
I wouldn't say weakest but probably hardest to play as.
Highly disagree in regards too the huns. Warriors of the Steppe relied on speed and mobility rather than stopping power. All of their abilities, research and stats reflects this. In a conventional melee fight, sure they'd lose, but you'd never get close enough to initiate one. Historically, the Europeans fighting the Huns/Mongols would get withered down with horse archer fire before being finished off with a final charge from their lancers. In most fights, done correctly the Huns barely lose any men at all. Now the drawback the huns have is attacking Cities/Fortifications where mobility cant be taken advantage of and requires brute force, and for reasons like this is why Attila in history never attacked constantinople. In regards to the absurdly good melee infantry. Idk what the fuark CA was on about there.
_Now the drawback the huns have is attacking Cities/Fortifications where mobility cant be taken advantage of and requires brute force_
This is not so clear. I mean, Attila razed numerous cities.
Rani Anfibio he invented dismounted huns
I know this is an old video but "I made Rome great again" by playing as the Western Roman Empire, I happened to beat the campaign as them way back then. Oh yeah and I brought back paganism.
he havent uploaded any new vids :(
@@dengistkhan5364 Pity. I figured I'd post anyway. ha
I've been playing recently. Has there been a patch that changed these things?
If you dont now how to play this faction. how you can now their are the weakest? Every faction in attila have strong and weakest side man and these tree faction are for experienced player I think :-)
But its your opinion and I respect it
I thought about making a channel just to make this video.
In directly you are wrong because if you use the units WISELY then they are not weak, for example, use if you are using the crossbow cavalry for the Sassanids wisely ( like shooting arrows at good units ) then they are powerful, but if you use them in a stupid way ( like shooting melita when they are in lose formation ) then they are weak, so you can't really say they are bad factions
West Rome is a sleeping giant in the early game but an absolute beast in the late game
Playing on legendary as the western Roman Empire is very annoying tbh but i honestly agree that they get better late game
Really weird that the most popular and most advertised factions are also the worst.
Why doesn't attacking tetsudo work? (I'm new to Attila).
my campaign says otherwise....
Bro, you just stated the most strongest factions in Total War Atilla. I would say western roman empire are weak at the start, but i have seen them get crazy strong afterwards.
I agree the entire multiplayer needs help.
I have tinkered with the wre's roster for months, and yes, they have some of the worst cav in the whole game. BUT, the noble javelins are actually great at killing cav, due to their spear and high damage ranged attack. Ive tested them against tagmata, and i was perplexed at how well the trade off was. They are expensive though, so use them extremely wisely. Always have them on the flanks, with a good spear wall and crossbows to actually kill the enemy army. I quite like the good roman spears (forgot their name). They are very flexible and i would say are probs the second best spear unit in the game (first being masqal spears imo). The only damaging sword unit wre has is the herculanii senores, which are really expensive so i would mainly comprise the melee line out of spears which are more cost efficient and generally better in melee. Bottom line is, dont get cav, get the noble foederati javelinmen on your flanks, and make a solid spear line to defend your missile units. Hopefully this is a helpful guide for folks wanting to play wre and not get creamed by factions with better cav.
They are harder to play not garbage and shit, they just take more skill
The huns are in no way one of the worst factions, their infantry is unmatched if you take cav with you
The roman empire is mainly focused on defensive infantry: obviusly due to the campaign situations you will face with them
Sassanids are focused on heavy cavalry and yes: the rest of the roaster is not so good but still able to face pretty well other factions
Huns are the best faction in the game hands down, you can defeat an elite enemy army just with an army of all cavalry archers If you know how to use them
so can the alans which somehow do it better
@@gabrielnguyen5580 yes, however most of alans infantry is just bad or with major problems, mostly low missile protection and not as defensive as some hunnic units
Can't agree with you with West Rome, I love them in online battles. Fantastic melee infantry. Most importantly, they are almost immune to missile fire. So when I use West Rome, 98% of enemy ammo will be wasted. 3 legio as meet shields, take up enemy charge, then hercules senorita goes in for the kill.
@John Saf Everytime someone mispronounces their name, Roman Paganism gets another follower.
Are horse archers really that useless in multiplayer? The Huns were historically mainly a horse archer based military and playing single player campaign a horse archer army seems to perform quite well, what is causing a completely horse archer army to not be effective in multiplayer?
No Parthian shot, bad stats, expensive/cost-ineffective.
the ones with parthian shot either don't have enough ammo/damage or are too slow. if you want ammo and speed you gotta spend 800 for 1 unit, while ERE for the same amount of money can bring 1 tagmata. also horse archers take up slots, so you'll have something less in other categories. you wouldbe tempted to go with less infantry as the huns, shame that that's the only good thing about them. so you either go with less archers or with less cav, which is terrible anyway, no matter how many you bring.
Looks like from all the three factions, no one is opposing to the shityness of the Sassanids.
U wrong bro read againn...sassanid my cost much but they are great
Sounds like the top 3 factions before watching this video=)
Especially the Hunss are one of the Strongest faction.
i only use Cavalerie and that against a superior enemy army with lost of spear-units.
Only Cavalerie is a hell of micromanagement sometimes, but it's woth it.
Just the Elephants in a "all Cavaleriy" Horde are just devastating-charge and sacrifice to me :D
I play the battles on Insane and the Kampagne on very hard
It was about multiplayer
i use Sasanian Empire other way so it works better for me
With max 6 cav rules, Huns can be very powerfull and able to beat every other faction.
Although they are better than WRE and the Sassanids, against a equaly skilled player who brings the germanic meta, you are going to have a hard time with the huns.
***** if someone is stupid enough to do 1vs1 cav engaments with the huns, then off course u will loose. The key is using ur cav just for the purpose of shielding ur Uars from enemy cav whenever ur cav gets engaed with a enemy cav u suppord immediately with uars, off course the opponent have to send his own support then. Feel free to test what happens in a mix of a steppe lancer / elite lancer with an uar against an goldlevel germanic cav and 90 percent of germanic inf in a mix. GG
Obelix theGreat Used it against very good players and they used it against me. If ur able to support cav engamenst with uars quick enough u win 90 % of the time if not u loose. Huns are not a safe bet in any case but theire are some powerfull builds out theire. And if u make one mistake u can get crushed. That apliies to both sides tho.
BxBaracus
Did you use it in any tournament?
*****
original post : With max 6 cav rules, Huns can be very powerfull and able to beat every other faction.
Max 6 huns can be very strong , Max 8 can work 2 but more dificult. Again goal is to not get an 1vs1 cav engagement always support with uars. U can add me on steam if u like. steamcommunity.com/id/BxBaracus/
Man you are not familiar with sassanid battle tactics at all
This review is only based on stats, so it's not too useful. Western Roman infantry formations make them tremendously effective on defensive positions and able to resist almost any frontal attack.
The problem with WRE is immigration and continuous enemy influx, that makes your territories almost unbereable due to unrest.
Huns are also hard to play, they kill as hell (terrible arrow clouds, and skirmish, easily decimate enemy cavalry and then rush infantry with arrows and devastatingly charge them when the morale is low), but AI huns have millions of free spawned armies while huns player struggle to have a decent amount of them.
The WRE is trash, but aside from the cavalry weakness (easily remedied by holding onto Britannia since that place and the province the franks start in contain a nordic merc marauders that beats all early and mid tier barbarian, African, and hun melee cavalry), you pretty much missed out on the top seven reasons why it sucks so bad. Or 8 if you count "Huns are hardcoded to come for you"
I disagree with putting WRE as one of the weakest. They are easily one of the strongest. What the ERE doesn't have, the WRE has.
except axe infantry and pikes... and decent elite melee cav
theshadowling1 and access to archer and skirmish cav
If you play as Western Rome in Campaign and still have a will to live afterwards, you're doing it wrong.
Why are the largest factions the weakest?
Mobile testudo doesn't work?
guys, sorry for my stupid question. I'm a bit of a noob -I just enjoy watching the battle videos-. Why is cav so important in attila? and why wasn't it important in rome2
Because cav have much better stats and also have some new charge mechanics which let them run through Units and insta kill
Maximum Decimals of Meridia.
Maximum idioticus of moronica
Losing skirmish fight. Lol. Did you even play with WRE?
This is a late comment but perhaps they are the weakest factions because historically, western rome fell, the huns were defeated, and the sassanids were eventually wiped out later on, leaving europe to the barbarian kingdoms and the byzantine empire
Well, weak western roman empire makes sense historically wise. The empire was a wreck in the 400s so giving them the worst units makes sense.
İm a hun turk from Turkey and i know my history we are the best warriors at cavalry its ridiculous to be weak in this game
haha huns is one of the most weakest, but they can destroy you even before you recruit a medium cav/inf
The Western Roman infantry and skirmishers kick ads dude, I don't know how you've been playing. I expanded as the WRE on hard, and then killed Attila and and destroyed ALL the Germans and Nomads.
I miss the legions of Antiquity. :(
+Duesal Bladesinger Rome 2 is still around.
I personally like the Western Roman empire more than the east due to the greater challenge :)
No Garamants ? no ? Instead of them you put west romans that have the best crossbows ? Garamants are shit in every way.and sassanids,you mean the faction with best artillery,bomb throwers,elephants,best spears ? Ye,seems about right...
I have not played attila in 2015,so i dont know if some factions were balanced.English is not my mature language so ye,i might have some gaps,but i would appreciate if you could tell me what did i wrote wrong
Livso and the huns who have the bowmen buzzsaws called Steppe archers
When u can handle the huns it would be very easy with them
I've played the Sassanid Empire in the Grand Campaign. I'm currently in my second Campaign as them and I've already conquered factions as far flung as the Saxons. I cannot agree therefore with the Sassanid Empire being weak at all. It has some of the most robust Units that aren't even included on the list of Infantry available on quick battle. The Royal Barracks unlocks the recruitment of Royal Sassanid Swordsmen which make up a quarter of my main fighting forces. Nay, you're wrong to underestimate the power of the Sassanid Empire under the control of a competent player.
Incredibly wrong, i mean the video
Dude Fight me I will Use Huns for you.. Cavalry only. What is your name on Steam?
SASSANID? WEAK? KIDDING?!!!!
Huns: the Ardiaei of TW Attila.
The only differance is that the Ardiaei had one trash cav unit and the Huns have a crap tone of those.
(not going to point out inf here)
You sounds like a norwegian guy, are you norwegian?
so, the bogeyman of the era and the eastern empire that keeps on living are weak. good job CA, good job. (I do agree on the west roman empire though :P )
FIX THE HUNS DAMN IT
WRE elite palatina spam ftw
Dex4Sure burgundians: LAUGHS IN BURGUNDIAN AXE SPAM
I am late but the Huns are not one of the weakest nations! If they were weak why did they made empires cry and destroyed them in real life? :) Also they have better Unit rosters and their cavalry is godlike!
Dude western Roman empire is meant for stationary fighting, No need for good cav when you can sit and eat the cav charges and archer fire while your javelins do the work. The Sassanids have good armoured lancers which melt non braced infantry for breakfast as well as crossbow cav that is a mobile buzz saw as well as having sufficiantly good infantry to hold the line. The huns are about speed and good micro, in multiplayer all factions are strong and all you can win with. You fail to see such and instead see factions with a weak spot as immediate garbage. In truth you fail to realise the Effectiveness each roster holds within it and Deicide not to realise their potential because you see anything unconventional as something which has No use, all three of these factions require you to use their strengths well. I have won with all these against Evenly Mached opponents playing the „best” factions by using unconventional or even cheesy tactics to win battles that you would be crushed in if you were to use conventional methods. You can not just say that the faction is bad because What because they do not have germanic horse, vandal raiders crush germanic horse easy
Suebi champions are great unit also.
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He put nun instead of Hun
That is the joke (check the video description)
They made a game and it’s all based around the guns and Attila but their one of the weakest factions 😂😂😂😂
Yes,hunnic cavalry units are expensive,but I wouldnt call them weak.Who else matches with nokkors?
Wtf sasanid empire is one of the weakest?😂😂😂😂are you kidding?
I can't stand "Scola Palatina" it's too funny of a name