I think one thing that should change is how fast her stance transitions are. The team says they want her to be in stance all the time but all of the transitions into are very minus which does nothing but hurt the character
Kaizur being modest but I'm not: - Buff FF4 significantly - Make H.Lib.D3+4 guard break for 10 frames - New safe low LIB option that stays in stance - BT.2,2 JF floor breaks (seriously why doesn't it?) - Buff BT sidestep to actually sidestep well - LIB backdash actionable faster or cancel into LIB.1+2 - No scaling on flick (or at least less) - Her While Rising kit needs a total rework - High heat LIB parry tornado launches - Non heat high LIB parry has a small canned guaranteed follow-up that only does a bit of damage that you can input - Make 3,3 i13 - Punch parry parries faster - UF3,4 fix when she's considered airborne and grounded (it's wonky AF) - More dance animations (This one's just for me) - A non heat engaging crouch throw that has better Oki - UF2 CH launches from all angles consistently Half of these suggestions are memes but I honestly think that even with all of these she still wouldn't be top 5 haha
Hell, while we're at it, remove the heat engage from b3. Make it a 0 on block slow power crush instead. Make 3,3 her new powercrush. Or make b3 into a +2 on block +13c on hit mid and remove ff4 so that she can always access f4 at any range.
you know what ive noticed, with the way her while running move animation looks like, it looks perfect for her being able to enter lib when she lands. Like imagine if you do while running then hold forward, she can literally land in lib and it would fit perfectly because of how the animation looks like. So 1, they can change it so that when you finish the wr you can hold forward to land in lib, OR they can change it so that if you only press 3 and then hold forward it can cancel the 2nd hit into lib.
Nice, reasonable ideas from Kaizur! Here's something completely insane instead: what if Azucena had a resource like Bryan's snake eyes or Claudio's starburst? Call it caffeine, and when she has it she can spend it once on doing her super long range f3+4 stance entrance like in heat. "But Jake," I hear you say, "Azucena's heat f3+4 is really bad! It's a very reactable 25 frame dash that puts her into a stance she can't block from!" And yes, you are absolutely right! That is why we also buff that stance transition to be 10 frames faster. And not just that one, but also the one from 3,2~f. And hell, while she has her caffeine install power ready, all her other transitions into lib are now longer range and 10 frames faster! D4,1~f goes from -9 on hit to +1! Df1,4,1~f goes from -6 to +4! Suddenly her stance transitions are actually good, as long as you've earned your caffeine first. And how do you earn your caffeine? Make it part of some moves that could use a little spicing up. BT2~2 on hit, you get the animation and she gets the juice. D1+2 on hit, a super slow and linear low but now there's mix and another potential mix later. WR3,2 on hit OR block! Make this move only +3, but give her a reward just for approaching with it. Run up, get caffeinated, and if you can convince them to stand still (which is still not guaranteed with only +3) you can hit a string into lib stance and finally get some real mix. And in heat? Well she gets the install throughout heat, those transitions just cost 30% heat meter for the duration. She also ends heat with a stock of caffeine like Bryan and Claudio do. Also make 1,1 safe again. I'm a genius.
+5 into stance for wr3 would be perfect. What a perfect middle ground. Starting from how the move was first introduced, you make it simpler to step and punish hard, but in return we get into stance with frames to actually do something with it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that even just that would make matches against non-low tiers not as massive of an uphill battle, imo. I'm just a scrubby tekken king, but wow that's such a brilliant change that fits into how *I think* they want her playstyle to be. Great vid!
• All 3 suggestions are great and the two first align with my reasoning as well. If nothing else db3+4 should at least crush low attacks which it often does not. • Additionally I would like to see a ground blast/break throw. It's so boring to play on those stages and not being able to throw people into the ground like so many other characters can.
Only this mans would think of the backswing blow when it comes to moves that need buffs lmao I do agree with it though, considering it's launch punishable, the reward it gives is kinda pathetic. Kazuya's (albeit doesn't evade nearly as much) is a god damn safe heat engager. SAFE backswing blow. This game is COMPLETELY off the rails. Someone needs to stop these people.
I still don't understand why they messed with Azucena soo much. Claudio still has his crazy WR2. I had such a good time playing Azucena almost exclusively for the first 3 months of Tekken 8! She's still my most played character despite rarely playing her since the summer. FREE AZUCENA!
C`mon we have to admit that wr32 being plus 5 was really overpowered and I don't think we'll ever get this back because of how much rage everyone had dealing with it. I think they should make it plus 3 though so we can at least trade df1 with jabs. The 2,1 string and 1,1 should go back to where they were before the big patch. They should also improve the frames on some back turn moves and fix the consistency issues with some combos.
It wasn't the fact that it was plus on block that was the problem lol it was the fact that you couldn't step it, and the range was ridiculous. Keeping it as it is, but making it actually matter on block like every other running move is what I would like
@@Kaizur I think it would probably be better to make the move +4 compared to +5 OB, the move would be more in line with Dragunov's changes and at +4 the defender will still be able to move around it after blocking it like how you can do against Drag. At +5 OB a lot of characters had to just sit and block the df+1,4 that came after the WR.3,2 because they couldn't step out the way of it.
WR3,2 -> +4 so she can df1 check 2,1 -> - 3 and/or 3rd hit counter hit launch Give her a button to deal with sidestep left Let her do her command throw from backturn That’s all I want. It would do so much and she still wouldn’t be top 10 or anything.
I want to add : # D2,3 no more lib stance at last press forward. # There need to short frames from lib stands, Faster exit and entryto the lib stance. # if they're tag her like MMA fighters so where is the MMA good stuff?+ Outfit?!
Why is ff4 0 on block? Why is BT 3+4 -5 on block? Why cant I use her command BT side steps to side step anything. And the b1 series seems kind of useless for it to be a heat string. All high no mix super susceptible to duck and launch. I'd like to have some sort of heat option in BT. The stance doesn't seem fleshed out to me but I may be spoiled I used to play raven. And why doesn't BT2 catch break the floor?
The way I forgot this character even exists until this video popped up randomly 💀 Honest question? What's even the point of Azucena? To me, she offers absolutely nothing to a player.
Biggest change i want for Paul is for fricken demo man to be reliable. It's not just clean hits, it's clean hits on Tuesdays. Paul's running move was -10, and it's now -minus 9. I still love it, but I would love a plus frame running move like plus 2 :P.
Some day we will turn from Azucena Enjoyers to Azucena Winners
I think one thing that should change is how fast her stance transitions are. The team says they want her to be in stance all the time but all of the transitions into are very minus which does nothing but hurt the character
Kaizur being modest but I'm not:
- Buff FF4 significantly
- Make H.Lib.D3+4 guard break for 10 frames
- New safe low LIB option that stays in stance
- BT.2,2 JF floor breaks (seriously why doesn't it?)
- Buff BT sidestep to actually sidestep well
- LIB backdash actionable faster or cancel into LIB.1+2
- No scaling on flick (or at least less)
- Her While Rising kit needs a total rework
- High heat LIB parry tornado launches
- Non heat high LIB parry has a small canned guaranteed follow-up that only does a bit of damage that you can input
- Make 3,3 i13
- Punch parry parries faster
- UF3,4 fix when she's considered airborne and grounded (it's wonky AF)
- More dance animations (This one's just for me)
- A non heat engaging crouch throw that has better Oki
- UF2 CH launches from all angles consistently
Half of these suggestions are memes but I honestly think that even with all of these she still wouldn't be top 5 haha
Don't make 3,3 i13, make 3,2 safe but only NCC.
Hell, while we're at it, remove the heat engage from b3. Make it a 0 on block slow power crush instead. Make 3,3 her new powercrush. Or make b3 into a +2 on block +13c on hit mid and remove ff4 so that she can always access f4 at any range.
you know what ive noticed, with the way her while running move animation looks like, it looks perfect for her being able to enter lib when she lands. Like imagine if you do while running then hold forward, she can literally land in lib and it would fit perfectly because of how the animation looks like.
So 1, they can change it so that when you finish the wr you can hold forward to land in lib, OR they can change it so that if you only press 3 and then hold forward it can cancel the 2nd hit into lib.
Nice, reasonable ideas from Kaizur! Here's something completely insane instead: what if Azucena had a resource like Bryan's snake eyes or Claudio's starburst? Call it caffeine, and when she has it she can spend it once on doing her super long range f3+4 stance entrance like in heat.
"But Jake," I hear you say, "Azucena's heat f3+4 is really bad! It's a very reactable 25 frame dash that puts her into a stance she can't block from!" And yes, you are absolutely right! That is why we also buff that stance transition to be 10 frames faster. And not just that one, but also the one from 3,2~f. And hell, while she has her caffeine install power ready, all her other transitions into lib are now longer range and 10 frames faster! D4,1~f goes from -9 on hit to +1! Df1,4,1~f goes from -6 to +4! Suddenly her stance transitions are actually good, as long as you've earned your caffeine first.
And how do you earn your caffeine? Make it part of some moves that could use a little spicing up. BT2~2 on hit, you get the animation and she gets the juice. D1+2 on hit, a super slow and linear low but now there's mix and another potential mix later. WR3,2 on hit OR block! Make this move only +3, but give her a reward just for approaching with it. Run up, get caffeinated, and if you can convince them to stand still (which is still not guaranteed with only +3) you can hit a string into lib stance and finally get some real mix. And in heat? Well she gets the install throughout heat, those transitions just cost 30% heat meter for the duration. She also ends heat with a stock of caffeine like Bryan and Claudio do.
Also make 1,1 safe again. I'm a genius.
One day our queen will get her neutral back
Damn you tekken Twitter for getting our character gutted :(
back swing launch remind me of chloe so much i miss it
+5 into stance for wr3 would be perfect. What a perfect middle ground. Starting from how the move was first introduced, you make it simpler to step and punish hard, but in return we get into stance with frames to actually do something with it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that even just that would make matches against non-low tiers not as massive of an uphill battle, imo. I'm just a scrubby tekken king, but wow that's such a brilliant change that fits into how *I think* they want her playstyle to be. Great vid!
Yes! I'll be quite happy with just these 3 buffs
• All 3 suggestions are great and the two first align with my reasoning as well. If nothing else db3+4 should at least crush low attacks which it often does not.
• Additionally I would like to see a ground blast/break throw. It's so boring to play on those stages and not being able to throw people into the ground like so many other characters can.
Only this mans would think of the backswing blow when it comes to moves that need buffs lmao
I do agree with it though, considering it's launch punishable, the reward it gives is kinda pathetic. Kazuya's (albeit doesn't evade nearly as much) is a god damn safe heat engager. SAFE backswing blow. This game is COMPLETELY off the rails. Someone needs to stop these people.
Just picked up the game, happy to see some good Azucena guides!
I still don't understand why they messed with Azucena soo much. Claudio still has his crazy WR2. I had such a good time playing Azucena almost exclusively for the first 3 months of Tekken 8! She's still my most played character despite rarely playing her since the summer. FREE AZUCENA!
I wish harada would see this
I need an emergency stream for that new low... Please!
yoooooo. i agree to your opinion. She need too change a lot. Am played her after " Big Neuf ". IT PAINS TO ME!
I would change acuzena into lucky chloe 🙂
True and real
+5 is a lot, I think +3 or +4 would be good without being too good. 2,1 definitely needs to come back tho
I hope they notice this.
Because of your help K i hit Tekken King today !
I got tk with azu last night 🎉
yea, i really want backswing blow shenanigans again
I just want them to buff her so my only excuse for losing is that I'm bad and not my character is ass.
C`mon we have to admit that wr32 being plus 5 was really overpowered and I don't think we'll ever get this back because of how much rage everyone had dealing with it. I think they should make it plus 3 though so we can at least trade df1 with jabs. The 2,1 string and 1,1 should go back to where they were before the big patch. They should also improve the frames on some back turn moves and fix the consistency issues with some combos.
It wasn't the fact that it was plus on block that was the problem lol it was the fact that you couldn't step it, and the range was ridiculous. Keeping it as it is, but making it actually matter on block like every other running move is what I would like
@@Kaizur I think it would probably be better to make the move +4 compared to +5 OB, the move would be more in line with Dragunov's changes and at +4 the defender will still be able to move around it after blocking it like how you can do against Drag.
At +5 OB a lot of characters had to just sit and block the df+1,4 that came after the WR.3,2 because they couldn't step out the way of it.
Jailing df+1,4 would be great 😢
It already is?
@WeMissDimebag no its not
Her homing f4 is a good move but the rest of her moveset is pretty linear overall. I wish that move had a bit more range on that attack.
WR3,2 -> +4 so she can df1 check
2,1 -> - 3 and/or 3rd hit counter hit launch
Give her a button to deal with sidestep left
Let her do her command throw from backturn
That’s all I want. It would do so much and she still wouldn’t be top 10 or anything.
I want to add :
# D2,3 no more lib stance at last press forward.
# There need to short frames from lib stands, Faster exit and entryto the lib stance.
# if they're tag her like MMA fighters so where is the MMA good stuff?+ Outfit?!
Why is ff4 0 on block? Why is BT 3+4 -5 on block? Why cant I use her command BT side steps to side step anything. And the b1 series seems kind of useless for it to be a heat string. All high no mix super susceptible to duck and launch. I'd like to have some sort of heat option in BT. The stance doesn't seem fleshed out to me but I may be spoiled I used to play raven. And why doesn't BT2 catch break the floor?
When will they launch the new season?
Things I'd change add chloe into tekken 8
db4 needs some kind of reward on ch, it's such a pointless low. df141 should track at least one side on delay or something like that.
You asking for backswing to CH launch is asking for alottttttttttt of problems 😂😂😂
Make 212 mid high mid
I forgot all about this guy after the tournament. Algorithm is crazy today
The way I forgot this character even exists until this video popped up randomly 💀
Honest question? What's even the point of Azucena? To me, she offers absolutely nothing to a player.
Make azu great again😢
I would send her back to the tekken design vault and bring back josie
* *plays a character that auto parries lows and highs* * "this character needs more" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Ignorance truly is bliss isn't it
I know right how much more easy can u get with that character 😂
It's hilarious how people tell on themselves by saying stuff like this. How are red ranks treating you?
@@adrianfajardo7750 If she's so easy, get her to GoD. Go on, nothing's stopping you.
Biggest change i want for Paul is for fricken demo man to be reliable. It's not just clean hits, it's clean hits on Tuesdays. Paul's running move was -10, and it's now -minus 9. I still love it, but I would love a plus frame running move like plus 2 :P.