An important piece of footeage capturing the tragic events 80 years ago when entire populations all over central and eastern Europe were forced into ghettos as a first step toward their total annihilation enforced by a country led by a madman who was bent on World domination
The Krakow ghetto was possibly the only major Nazi ghetto where mass epidemics of diseases such as Typhus were avoided. This was down to the tireless work of many doctors and physicians who were in the ghetto. The only gentile allowed to remain in the Jewish Ghetto, was Tadeusz Pankiewicz, who was allowed to continue to run his pharmacy on the corner of the ghetto square, plac zgody. He supplied medicines, largely for free, and even gave shelter to people during roundups or 'actions' by the SS. He bore witness to amazing acts of barbarity through his pharmacy windows. He wrote a memoir called 'The Krakow Ghetto Pharmacy' that I can wholeheartedly recommend. In it, he describes seeing the notorious SS man Amon Goeth passing his windows, on a mission to kill. The pharmacy is a museum today. Worth a visit.
Germany does not have laws forbidding people to speak against WW2 - this is a frequently used denier liar lie. Germany has got laws stopping the defamation of the dead which is a completely different thing.
1. As I have already pointed out, this is 1940 - 41 closer to the beginning than the end of the war. The war ended in 1945 and started in 1939. The food supply to Germany was not cut off - what nonsense. The Nazis obviously could not trade with Allied countries but could take food from the huge area under occupation and some neutral countries too. 2. Listen to what it says in the original language. 3. Typhus was deliberately caused by cramming so many people into tiny spaces.
Sad but great video. That old man walking over the bridge with his walking stick. Did the Jews really have no idea what was going on? Did they think they would just return to their homes in a few weeks? Terrible.
Why not try studying what causes typhus. How come there were no typhus epidemics before the war? The Allies did not force people into ghettos, sometimes twenty people in one room and then starve them. The Nazis did that. All countries were suffering from lack of resources but they did not have typhus epidemics. That happened in the ghettos - which were deliberately put up by the Nazis. The worst starvation happened closer to the beginning of the war than the end as I already wrote.
Krakow is a beautiful place...We go every year ... The history is very distressing...We even visited Auschwitz ... We thought we knew what happened but it's worse...What the Nazi's did...You just can't process now human minds could think up such heinous acts ..... The Polish people are so welcoming ... If you've never visited you must go...
I would love to go to Krakow to experience the city ,watching this puts the fear of god into you what these poor people went through is unimaginable and no doubt all of these people in this movie where mercilessly hunted and murdered .😔
I can understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion but with so much evidence like this and the liberation of the camps I wonder what deniers make of it.
Deniers should do 2 simple things: 1. Read books about demography just before WW2. They will know that in Poland for instance there were around 3 millions Jewish people (10% of the population) 2. They have to visit Poland and realize that Jews there simply disappeared. If they have a little bit of IQ they should wonder what happened with all them? where are the Jews of Poland? 3 millions cannot disappear all of a sudden. There were certainly many Jews that survived by hiding and received help from locals and also by going to the eastern Russia and most of the survivals went to Israel after the war. There are also photos proven as authentic about the pogrom by bullets in Latvia and Ukraine, just search on internet.
The comment section is dominated by one Antisemitic holocaust denier. It casts a pall on this beautiful video. We should remember those who died. Especially, in the Passover season. May G-d’s children survive and prosper!
Alan Heath - I am a son of 2 Holocaust survivors. Is it known who filmed this tragic and heartbreaking video, where was it kept during the Holocaust, how did it find its way into a historical archive afterwards, and what is your connection to it?
Thanks so much. I'm really busy this next week, but I hope to get around to them in a litle while, as this history is obviously close to my heart even more so than it should be for any Jew, as my father lived around 30 kilometers from there.
While watching, say to yourself "Wow, I really don't appreciate all that God does for me every day. I have my own place to live, and no one is forcing me out. I don't have to place my belongings on a small cart and push them through the streets, searching for a place to live in a cramped, disease-ridden ghetto."
God has nothing to do with it, ..if he did he wouldn't allow over a million children under the age of 5 to die horrible deaths every single year just from malaria.
@@barrybarnes96 just because you dont believe in God doesn't mean everyone else should share the same viewpoint. Try having some respect for others belief systems. That is how all of this kind of atrocities occur because of certain people trying to impose their beliefs and ideologies onto another group of people with catastrophic annhilistic and tragic results!
Unfortunately not, it would have been put on sometime shortly after the war when this film was put together in the form that I found it. I did not put the soundtrack on it.
"the experiences of thousands speaks for itself" No, because everyone has an interest in telling the same story, either because they are afraid or because of revenge. "why would you think they would not stick to the plan to do so" Because the ideology doesn't really say 'wipe em out', but rather 'move them somewhere else'. Anyway, intentions are not the same as actions.
That is a totally stupid argument which clearly demonstrates how little you know. Try looking at how many people died of starvation in the Warsaw ghetto for example in 1941 - which was closer to the beginning of the war than the end. Both starvation and typhus were deliberate - the result of locking people up in ghettos and not providing food although there was no starvation. Stop watching denier liar films and try confronting the truth - if you dare.
Коммунистическая пропаганда! Нацистская Германия, с ее союзником Советского Союза, вторглись в Польшу в сентябре 1939 года.Красная Армия вторглась в Польшу 17 сентября 1939 года. Я не знаю, если вы найдете эту информацию в коммунистической пропаганде. Нет Rippentrop - Пакт Молотова - может быть, не Холокоста.
The purpose of research is to question, to challenge ways of seeing the world, to interrupt, to problematize, to deconstruct accepted ways of looking at the world. Questioning is more important than answering.
@trzcinarowice Yes, that is correct. Which rather blows out of the water the conspiracy theory from the New Testament that it was Jews who killed Jesus (who was also Jewish).
"You 'THINK' is like when somebody comes home to find a loved one dead" The real question is how and why he died. I don't deny that he's dead, but did he die of illness, or was he killed?.
This is soooooo wrong and bloody awful. It makes all my worries/anxieties seem pathetic. Lets hope none of us will ever see the like of this again ......... EVER!
Christopher the answer is this that people were so bowed down with all that they had been through over two to three years that they just did what the occupier wanted. Remember that the Nazis had guns and they did not and they feared that any signs of resistance would be met with extreme terror. That is how the Nazis were able to murder so many.
@vampiroangelico I write above that I think the New Testament is fiction. As for the Romans introducing democracy .... well, I am sure people in the Roman Empire went to the polls regularly. I seem to have forgotten how often the Roman Emperors held a general election - can you remind me?
A) I can go directly to the source. B)No court made him speak at a LECTURE. Germany DOES NOT HAVE LAWS QUESTIONING WW2. Specifically they have Hcaust denial laws which IS DIFFERENT THAN speaking about one's OWN EXPERIENCE at a camp or on the battlefield. Get the difference? He's not talking about 'versions of history' he IS speaking about HIS OWN experience. NOT MINE, NOT YOURS, not the GOVERNMENTS, GET IT? You seem to have difficulty w/ reading comprehension. READ MY POST CAREFULLY THEN RESPOND
Well... sure, when speaking to people like this it is not 'productive' to call them 'dumb ass'. Not that I REALLY expect to have a point accepted but we both know that a guy will just shut down even further & dig in so they can say to themselves ' I'm a victim,. They ( whoever 'they' is) are AGAINST me in my righteous cause'. You probably noticed, if you followed the whole conversation how this guy ignored anything that required him to ask himself an honest question & answer it. What does that
@alanheath It was not the Jews who executed Jesus, it was the Romans who were occupying that territory at the time, but Pontius Pilate, who believed in democracy, asked the people what they wanted to do to Jesus, and Kaifas, the head Jew, said HE wanted him dead, and so the whole Jewish community in the area followed him blindly. So, to be factually accurate, it was the Jews who killed Jesus, and the Romans were the ones who executed him, due to democratic popular vote.
Uh no, you have it wrong. Specifically he was talking many years after the fact as a free man living in what was West Germany at the time. He was addressing people at a university lecture when he originally spoke on this in 1960 in Hamburg. You are repeating what you have heard said by other people. Groening is not making a 'confession'. He was not 'on the hook ' for anything. You are wrong. Please take the time to have the facts before you speak because it makes you look... unsmart.
Different people have different interests. People are talking about their own experiences. Some have worse experiences than others . Some have 'milder' ones. People are not telling the same stories but they ARE talking about common themes of experience. If I want revenge I probably HAVE A REASON TO WANT IT, YEAH? The idea that people are telling a story out of fear has no basis. I certainly wouldn't want to tell a story THAT WAS GOING TO INCRIMINATE ME out of fear would I?
If you had listened in math class instead of listening to fairy tales, you would probably know that formal logic is a set of rules for making deductions that seem self evident.
"He was addressing people at a university lecture when he originally spoke on this in 1960 in Hamburg" What do you think would have happened to him if he had told another version of history than the official one?. Germany has laws forbidding Germans to question WW2. "You are repeating what you have heard said by other people" You too !
It is amazing how denier liars invent such stupid stories. Ask yourself why you need to do this? Is it because the end justifies the means or because you want to believe it? Or is it just mental illness on your part?
No time at all really. I got a post; spend 5- 10 responding on it and leave for the rest of my life. My IDENTITY IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE HOLOCAUST & WHETHER OR NOT IT OCCURED UNLIKE SOMEONE I KNOW.
Read the post before you reply. Groening was not being interrogated. If he was I would then be able to say 'you have a point'. You don't because he was NOT. The same IS TRUE for KLEHR. We can talk about it all we want but it changes nothing because the experiences of thousands speaks for itself. So does the nazis own records & the films at the end of the war. Nazi ideaology says 'wipe em out' why would you think they would not stick to the plan to do so. logically it does not follow.
1. The allies cut off the food supply to Germany near the end of the war, even the Germans were starving. 2. The movie I showed you was made in 1948. 3. Why would the Nazis deliberately expose themselves to typhus?. Don't you know that typhus is highly contagious?.
Now I KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ARE PLAYING STUPID JUST FOR FUN. Another sidestep to AVOID the argument. The scene I 'played ' for you is to illustrate your total inability to honestly face a given situation. "Honestly" BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD. Oh & by the way it is not 'you need a course in formal logic' ;you need a FORMAL course in logic. Formal logic does not exist. If your going to try to use my own words please use them correctly if you want to direct them at me.
I suggest the denier liars watch it a bit more carefully than they appear to do at present AND in the original language (missing the errors of translation). What gets me is that the denier liars seem to think that murdering 300,000 is OK.
DOES YOUR SELF ESTEEM TAKE A HIT SOMEHOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE COMMITTED GNARLY CRIMES? Do you understand anything about the words you are reading right now or are YOU confused boy?
( refusing to answer questions put to you), & I really don't like saying this AGAIN...stupid. I feel AGAIN that I'm wasting time posting to you because of what I have just said. At least be a challenge.
@vampiroangelico There are no references to democracy in the New Testament, nor in any other source on the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was a dictatorship. The Jewish population did not get a vote - even in this work of fiction. Jewish law accepted capital punishment in theory but not by crucifiction and in any case was almost impossible in practice. If Jesus existed (which I doubt) then it was 100% certain the Romans arrested, tried and killed him.
@alanheath All the religions teach us for the Good. Judaism gave the world morality which went to the Christianity and Islam as well. The problem is when people start fighting. if you provide me more materials about the holocaust I'd gladly read it.
Sure I do I have been presenting it all along. It is you who fails to accept the argumnets presented. It is YOU who sidesteps what he cannot deal w/ in his own mind & so builds logical circles in his own mind to deal w/ cannot be accepted w/o breaking down your reality map. 2) the HUNS kept records because they are organized & many of the perpetrators DID NOT BELIEVE that they were committing crimes. They had dogma to reenforce that doing what they were doing was legit.
You need a course in formal logic. You must be a sick person to think that people only care about personal gain. I wouldn't advise you to become a researcher. What is your gain by the way?.
because we both know that's not it. What does it matter to you emotionally? Did your granddad get hung? And you want to 'set the record straight? " Are you trying to make sense of the world & need to validate a core belief to feel valid yourself or...what dude? Tell me/us ..the world. Or are you crazy or ... hateful or what...?? I already said I like a good argument & when I see something that obviously fucked I'm sayin sumpin' .I used to be WP dude so I know what it's all about. It's BS.
"I have had 5 courses in philosophy & logic systems in school( university)". You probably didn't attend the courses. Formal logic is the study of logic using special symbols and clearly-defined rules of reasoning. They are very useful in linguistics, philosophy, artificial intelligence and mathematics. So it has a very wide range of applications.
say about the psychological state of him? Unsmart? Maybe but I think it is more about something he has a stake in that if he really has to look at it it will make his whole reality map unravel. So I'm sure you know that when one does that they cannot handle it & freak. Like proving that Mormonism was made up out of the blue to one of those guys in the white shirts with a a name tag.
Then why are there so many people who have been sent to prison just for questioning the holocaust?. Doing historical research or searching for the truth is not defaming the dead.
I have crushed your every statement by backing up my words w/ FACTS & logic based ON FACTS ( I quote my sources BTW). You are unable to do so because you are insane. I make VALID POINT AFTER POINT YOU JUST CANNOT DEAL
You should know that I don't hate you. every one has issues. You do piss me off though w/ your inability to/unwillingness to be honest with yourself when you deal w/me. Have a decent life. We are done.
My husband and I walked over that bridge,nothing prepares you from watching actual footage,very moving.
An important piece of footeage capturing the tragic events 80 years ago when entire populations all over central and eastern Europe were forced into ghettos as a first step toward their total annihilation enforced by a country led by a madman who was bent on World domination
The Krakow ghetto was possibly the only major Nazi ghetto where mass epidemics of diseases such as Typhus were avoided. This was down to the tireless work of many doctors and physicians who were in the ghetto. The only gentile allowed to remain in the Jewish Ghetto, was Tadeusz Pankiewicz, who was allowed to continue to run his pharmacy on the corner of the ghetto square, plac zgody. He supplied medicines, largely for free, and even gave shelter to people during roundups or 'actions' by the SS. He bore witness to amazing acts of barbarity through his pharmacy windows. He wrote a memoir called 'The Krakow Ghetto Pharmacy' that I can wholeheartedly recommend. In it, he describes seeing the notorious SS man Amon Goeth passing his windows, on a mission to kill. The pharmacy is a museum today. Worth a visit.
Germany does not have laws forbidding people to speak against WW2 - this is a frequently used denier liar lie. Germany has got laws stopping the defamation of the dead which is a completely different thing.
There are no words to describe seeing footage of the Jewish inhabitants of Warsaw and Krakow before the war, and then footage like this ....
God bless Polish people one of the best.🏴🏴🏴🏴
No denier liar has ever done any research.
1. As I have already pointed out, this is 1940 - 41 closer to the beginning than the end of the war. The war ended in 1945 and started in 1939. The food supply to Germany was not cut off - what nonsense. The Nazis obviously could not trade with Allied countries but could take food from the huge area under occupation and some neutral countries too.
2. Listen to what it says in the original language.
3. Typhus was deliberately caused by cramming so many people into tiny spaces.
Sad but great video. That old man walking over the bridge with his walking stick. Did the Jews really have no idea what was going on? Did they think they would just return to their homes in a few weeks? Terrible.
Why not try studying what causes typhus. How come there were no typhus epidemics before the war?
The Allies did not force people into ghettos, sometimes twenty people in one room and then starve them. The Nazis did that. All countries were suffering from lack of resources but they did not have typhus epidemics. That happened in the ghettos - which were deliberately put up by the Nazis.
The worst starvation happened closer to the beginning of the war than the end as I already wrote.
There is NO difference because nobody would dare to contradict the official version of the events.
"Unsmart" is a very polite and gentle way of putting it!
Krakow is a beautiful place...We go every year ... The history is very distressing...We even visited Auschwitz ... We thought we knew what happened but it's worse...What the Nazi's did...You just can't process now human minds could think up such heinous acts ..... The Polish people are so welcoming ... If you've never visited you must go...
I would love to go to Krakow to experience the city ,watching this puts the fear of god into you what these poor people went through is unimaginable and no doubt all of these people in this movie where mercilessly hunted and murdered .😔
E os países que eram potências, não fizeram nada, para impedir essa tragédia...
Que triste espectáculo.
All denier liars are like that! They just repeat parrot fashion the lies of other denier liars and blindly ignore facts.
I can understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion but with so much evidence like this and the liberation of the camps I wonder what deniers make of it.
Deniers should do 2 simple things: 1. Read books about demography just before WW2. They will know that in Poland for instance there were around 3 millions Jewish people (10% of the population) 2. They have to visit Poland and realize that Jews there simply disappeared. If they have a little bit of IQ they should wonder what happened with all them? where are the Jews of Poland? 3 millions cannot disappear all of a sudden. There were certainly many Jews that survived by hiding and received help from locals and also by going to the eastern Russia and most of the survivals went to Israel after the war. There are also photos proven as authentic about the pogrom by bullets in Latvia and Ukraine, just search on internet.
@Gookbuster1 Who is this 'they' you refer to? Did you make this up?
The comment section is dominated by one Antisemitic holocaust denier. It casts a pall on this beautiful video. We should remember those who died. Especially, in the Passover season. May G-d’s children survive and prosper!
I don't know who you mean there as the don't appear to be any comments by Holocaust deniers any longer. Or maybe you can see something that I can't.
Alan Heath - I am a son of 2 Holocaust survivors. Is it known who filmed this tragic and heartbreaking video, where was it kept during the Holocaust, how did it find its way into a historical archive afterwards, and what is your connection to it?
I found it in the archive. I have no idea how it ended up there.
Pardon me for bothering again, but which archive are you referring to?
Sorry, I thought I put that in the description but I had not. This was in the film archive in ul. Chełmska in Warsaw.
I have a lot more films on this subject which you can find on my channel including more original films.
Thanks so much. I'm really busy this next week, but I hope to get around to them in a litle while, as this history is obviously close to my heart even more so than it should be for any Jew, as my father lived around 30 kilometers from there.
I found it quite difficult to watch this.
While watching, say to yourself "Wow, I really don't appreciate all that God does for me every day. I have my own place to live, and no one is forcing me out. I don't have to place my belongings on a small cart and push them through the streets, searching for a place to live in a cramped, disease-ridden ghetto."
God has nothing to do with it, ..if he did he wouldn't allow over a million children under the age of 5 to die horrible deaths every single year just from malaria.
@@barrybarnes96 just because you dont believe in God doesn't mean everyone else should share the same viewpoint. Try having some respect for others belief systems. That is how all of this kind of atrocities occur because of certain people trying to impose their beliefs and ideologies onto another group of people with catastrophic annhilistic and tragic results!
Unfortunately not, it would have been put on sometime shortly after the war when this film was put together in the form that I found it. I did not put the soundtrack on it.
hey there do you know if there are copyrights on those images ? would like to use them for a personal project
Alan, do you by any chance know the name of the song playing?
Thanks Alan.
"the experiences of thousands speaks for itself"
No, because everyone has an interest in telling the same story, either because they are afraid or because of revenge.
"why would you think they would not stick to the plan to do so"
Because the ideology doesn't really say 'wipe em out', but rather 'move them somewhere else'. Anyway, intentions are not the same as actions.
Where were they going with their things?
Красной Армии, который начал войну с Гитлером в 1939 году с вторжения в Польшу, занимает половину Европы и держал его до 1990 года.
God bless them all
In theory yes, but not in practice. Doing historical research or searching for the truth is not defaming the dead.
That is a totally stupid argument which clearly demonstrates how little you know. Try looking at how many people died of starvation in the Warsaw ghetto for example in 1941 - which was closer to the beginning of the war than the end. Both starvation and typhus were deliberate - the result of locking people up in ghettos and not providing food although there was no starvation. Stop watching denier liar films and try confronting the truth - if you dare.
Smutne to. Znam te ulice, niedaleko mieszkałem
Jak mówią gdy część getta poszła do Płaszowa na ich miejsce wprowadzali się Polacy
Коммунистическая пропаганда! Нацистская Германия, с ее союзником Советского Союза, вторглись в Польшу в сентябре 1939 года.Красная Армия вторглась в Польшу 17 сентября 1939 года. Я не знаю, если вы найдете эту информацию в коммунистической пропаганде. Нет Rippentrop - Пакт Молотова - может быть, не Холокоста.
Your religion tells you to never forgive and to seek revenge. So don't be surprised if people want to know the truth.
A inveja, foi a causa das perseguições. O Povo Judeu, deu uma grande, fabulosa, admirável contribuição a evolução social do Ocidente...
The purpose of research is to question, to challenge ways of seeing the world, to interrupt, to problematize, to deconstruct accepted ways of looking at the world. Questioning is more important than answering.
@Alan Heath oh ok thank you. I thought you had put the music yourself.
Nossa.. que triste. As crianças também foram embora...
Sad.
God’s richest blessings on the Nation of Israel.
The immense blessing mixed up with a heavy curse
I invite you to ask yourself the same questions. Why should I believe you if you don't believe me?.
@alanheath Jews were not allowed to do execusions in Roman (Italian) empire.
@polaand966 The one who needs to learn history is you. You can make a start by seeing some of the films on this site.
@trzcinarowice Yes, that is correct. Which rather blows out of the water the conspiracy theory from the New Testament that it was Jews who killed Jesus (who was also Jewish).
"You 'THINK' is like when somebody comes home to find a loved one dead"
The real question is how and why he died. I don't deny that he's dead, but did he die of illness, or was he killed?.
This is soooooo wrong and bloody awful. It makes all my worries/anxieties seem pathetic. Lets hope none of us will ever see the like of this again ......... EVER!
Serce pęka.💔
Which questions ?
They passively, willingly went... why?
And what would you suggest they should have done?
Good question.
Christopher the answer is this that people were so bowed down with all that they had been through over two to three years that they just did what the occupier wanted. Remember that the Nazis had guns and they did not and they feared that any signs of resistance would be met with extreme terror. That is how the Nazis were able to murder so many.
@vampiroangelico I write above that I think the New Testament is fiction. As for the Romans introducing democracy .... well, I am sure people in the Roman Empire went to the polls regularly. I seem to have forgotten how often the Roman Emperors held a general election - can you remind me?
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A) I can go directly to the source. B)No court made him speak at a LECTURE. Germany DOES NOT HAVE LAWS QUESTIONING WW2. Specifically they have Hcaust denial laws which IS DIFFERENT THAN speaking about one's OWN EXPERIENCE at a camp or on the battlefield. Get the difference? He's not talking about 'versions of history' he IS speaking about HIS OWN experience. NOT MINE, NOT YOURS, not the GOVERNMENTS, GET IT? You seem to have difficulty w/ reading comprehension. READ MY POST CAREFULLY THEN RESPOND
Haunting
Beautiful days.
Well... sure, when speaking to people like this it is not 'productive' to call them 'dumb ass'. Not that I REALLY expect to have a point accepted but we both know that a guy will just shut down even further & dig in so they can say to themselves ' I'm a victim,. They ( whoever 'they' is) are AGAINST me in my righteous cause'. You probably noticed, if you followed the whole conversation how this guy ignored anything that required him to ask himself an honest question & answer it. What does that
@alanheath It was not the Jews who executed Jesus, it was the Romans who were occupying that territory at the time, but Pontius Pilate, who believed in democracy, asked the people what they wanted to do to Jesus, and Kaifas, the head Jew, said HE wanted him dead, and so the whole Jewish community in the area followed him blindly. So, to be factually accurate, it was the Jews who killed Jesus, and the Romans were the ones who executed him, due to democratic popular vote.
I doubt that you would find 99.99% of the population believe the fantasies of the denier liars.
In the Middle Ages, 99.99% of people believed that the earth was flat.
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Кто-то из них чувствовал, чем закончится их жизнь? - Освенцимом, газовой камерой.....
That was a common belief among the people, not only among the catholic church.
Uh no, you have it wrong. Specifically he was talking many years after the fact as a free man living in what was West Germany at the time. He was addressing people at a university lecture when he originally spoke on this in 1960 in Hamburg. You are repeating what you have heard said by other people. Groening is not making a 'confession'. He was not 'on the hook ' for anything. You are wrong. Please take the time to have the facts before you speak because it makes you look... unsmart.
Different people have different interests. People are talking about their own experiences. Some have worse experiences than others . Some have 'milder' ones. People are not telling the same stories but they ARE talking about common themes of experience. If I want revenge I probably HAVE A REASON TO WANT IT, YEAH? The idea that people are telling a story out of fear has no basis. I certainly wouldn't want to tell a story THAT WAS GOING TO INCRIMINATE ME out of fear would I?
Ridiculous. How many? When & what country? So many? In your twisted mind.
I agree. Your argument is very poor - and the standard argument of denier liars in spite of zero evidence of torture.
If you had listened in math class instead of listening to fairy tales, you would probably know that formal logic is a set of rules for making deductions that seem self evident.
"He was addressing people at a university lecture when he originally spoke on this in 1960 in Hamburg"
What do you think would have happened to him if he had told another version of history than the official one?. Germany has laws forbidding Germans to question WW2.
"You are repeating what you have heard said by other people"
You too !
It is amazing how denier liars invent such stupid stories. Ask yourself why you need to do this? Is it because the end justifies the means or because you want to believe it? Or is it just mental illness on your part?
Extrem,insuportabil de trist!!!!
Harrowing scenes I hope we don't see again ......hmmm
No time at all really. I got a post; spend 5- 10 responding on it and leave for the rest of my life. My IDENTITY IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE HOLOCAUST & WHETHER OR NOT IT OCCURED UNLIKE SOMEONE I KNOW.
Thats what your saying right? That 's not how it works in real life dude. And you know it.
Onore alle vittime
His reality map relies on it. look how much time he spends on this subject.
NO MISTER CRAZY PERSON IT IS NOT VERBOTTEN TO QUESTION IT. IT IS ILLEGAL TO DENY IT OR MORE ACCURATLY 'DISPARAGE THE VICTIMS'
Read the post before you reply. Groening was not being interrogated. If he was I would then be able to say 'you have a point'. You don't because he was NOT. The same IS TRUE for KLEHR. We can talk about it all we want but it changes nothing because the experiences of thousands speaks for itself. So does the nazis own records & the films at the end of the war. Nazi ideaology says 'wipe em out' why would you think they would not stick to the plan to do so. logically it does not follow.
@NativeNewYorkGuy Besides, if Jesus wasn't killed there wouldn't be Christianity. And who was supposed to kill him ? Norwegians ?
Also you have it wrong here too. You simply don't know what your talking about.
1. The allies cut off the food supply to Germany near the end of the war, even the Germans were starving.
2. The movie I showed you was made in 1948.
3. Why would the Nazis deliberately expose themselves to typhus?. Don't you know that typhus is highly contagious?.
O meu like é o número 398.
Now I KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ARE PLAYING STUPID JUST FOR FUN. Another sidestep to AVOID the argument. The scene I 'played ' for you is to illustrate your total inability to honestly face a given situation. "Honestly" BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD. Oh & by the way it is not 'you need a course in formal logic' ;you need a FORMAL course in logic. Formal logic does not exist. If your going to try to use my own words please use them correctly if you want to direct them at me.
I suggest the denier liars watch it a bit more carefully than they appear to do at present AND in the original language (missing the errors of translation).
What gets me is that the denier liars seem to think that murdering 300,000 is OK.
DOES YOUR SELF ESTEEM TAKE A HIT SOMEHOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE COMMITTED GNARLY CRIMES? Do you understand anything about the words you are reading right now or are YOU confused boy?
If you don't trust me, why should I trust you ?
I said no such thing but denier liars are that - liars.
( refusing to answer questions put to you), & I really don't like saying this AGAIN...stupid. I feel AGAIN that I'm wasting time posting to you because of what I have just said. At least be a challenge.
@vampiroangelico There are no references to democracy in the New Testament, nor in any other source on the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was a dictatorship. The Jewish population did not get a vote - even in this work of fiction. Jewish law accepted capital punishment in theory but not by crucifiction and in any case was almost impossible in practice.
If Jesus existed (which I doubt) then it was 100% certain the Romans arrested, tried and killed him.
@alanheath All the religions teach us for the Good. Judaism gave the world morality which went to the Christianity and Islam as well. The problem is when people start fighting. if you provide me more materials about the holocaust I'd gladly read it.
Sure I do I have been presenting it all along. It is you who fails to accept the argumnets presented. It is YOU who sidesteps what he cannot deal w/ in his own mind & so builds logical circles in his own mind to deal w/ cannot be accepted w/o breaking down your reality map. 2) the HUNS kept records because they are organized & many of the perpetrators DID NOT BELIEVE that they were committing crimes. They had dogma to reenforce that doing what they were doing was legit.
You need a course in formal logic. You must be a sick person to think that people only care about personal gain. I wouldn't advise you to become a researcher. What is your gain by the way?.
ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF YOU IGNORING AN ARGUMENT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IS THIS POST I JUST RESPONDED TO.
because we both know that's not it. What does it matter to you emotionally? Did your granddad get hung? And you want to 'set the record straight? " Are you trying to make sense of the world & need to validate a core belief to feel valid yourself or...what dude? Tell me/us ..the world. Or are you crazy or ... hateful or what...?? I already said I like a good argument & when I see something that obviously fucked I'm sayin sumpin' .I used to be WP dude so I know what it's all about. It's BS.
"I have had 5 courses in philosophy & logic systems in school( university)".
You probably didn't attend the courses. Formal logic is the study of logic using special symbols and clearly-defined rules of reasoning. They are very useful in linguistics, philosophy, artificial intelligence and mathematics. So it has a very wide range of applications.
say about the psychological state of him? Unsmart? Maybe but I think it is more about something he has a stake in that if he really has to look at it it will make his whole reality map unravel. So I'm sure you know that when one does that they cannot handle it & freak. Like proving that Mormonism was made up out of the blue to one of those guys in the white shirts with a a name tag.
Ialwaysamcocious that the majority of the people picturedwere urdered by theGermans shortly after the film was made
Then why are there so many people who have been sent to prison just for questioning the holocaust?. Doing historical research or searching for the truth is not defaming the dead.
I have crushed your every statement by backing up my words w/ FACTS & logic based ON FACTS ( I quote my sources BTW). You are unable to do so because you are insane. I make VALID POINT AFTER POINT YOU JUST CANNOT DEAL
You should know that I don't hate you. every one has issues. You do piss me off though w/ your inability to/unwillingness to be honest with yourself when you deal w/me. Have a decent life. We are done.
*Resistance*
What a poor argument !