Interesting discussion. To fact of the father's church attendance encouraging his children's continued church attendance, more so than the masculine example as the cause is the fact that the father is the head and higher spiritual authority of the family: "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." A mother and children without the husband and father are unprotected--spiritually and materially.
I don't understand. You lament the loss of snow days and summers off from school, which are times when children could be studying, and then in the next segment, you talk about that we are not made for comfort, but great things. You complain that the Church has dialed back the required fasts, and then advocate for more leisure time for kids! The internet has provided us the means to do great things and teach kids how to use it for great things as well. I am all for the digitalization of libraries. It was never the books themselves that were needed, but the information in them. In reality, we need fewer books, and more study of the sources of wisdom, which are all available online.
Do you really not see a distinction between the classical conception of leisure and doomscrolling on TikTok? And you see a life filled with both leisure and self-sacrifice as inherently contradictory? I think your premises are mistaken there, my friend. As to your point about digitalization and needing "fewer books"--you should read Marc Barnes at New Polity on the permanence of the page. And I would simply ask you if the internet has actually increased general literacy on the "sources of wisdom" now that they are available online? I would assert a definitive no in answer to that question.
@@zaccrippenIf we are made for great things, why wouldn't one of the greatest thing in the modern age be for us to learn to manage tech in a way that is virtuous and reasonable? That is the very challenge of our day. Teaching children to go to a physical library to look for books about growing peppers, when such information (if it is even necessary) is available to them online with a few clicks, is not a sign of virtue or doing hard things. The options are not TikTok doomscrolling or summer's off from school. A summer could be spent studying using online technology in a virtuous way. As for books, I try follow the advice of men like St. John Newman who taught “It is common in an age where books abound to think that the gratification of the love of reading is real study.”(On the Idea of a University, Part 2, Chapter 4, Section 1 On Grammar). Real study is very challenging. The books that need studied are not being written and published by modern authors. The sources of wisdom are ancient, and they are available online (print them if you want to read a book, we use Harvard Book Store to print some of our children's texts, or Lulu).
@@CatholicHaze Hi there. You're fundamentally misunderstanding my argument and creating straw men out of what I didn't say, so I won't respond further. God bless you!
@zaccrippen Oh, OK. Thanks. For anyone else reading, another problem that is mentioned is that it is lamented that one does not know how to grow his own food or build his own furniture that he sits in. But if a man spent his time actually doing these things, he would not have leisure time for study. Scripture teaches this: "The scribe’s wisdom increases wisdom; whoever is free from toil can become wise. How can one become learned who guides the plow?" Sirach 38:24 and following teaches the difference between the learned man and skilled laborers. One must be free from toil in order to advance in learning and wisdom. Such freedom comes through the labor of other men, or, today, through technology. We can't disparage the technology that makes such study possible, or wish to return to some non existing time where married men grew their own food and also had time for real study. The classical conception of leisure requires that most men are laboring, and few are studying.
Interesting discussion. To fact of the father's church attendance encouraging his children's continued church attendance, more so than the masculine example as the cause is the fact that the father is the head and higher spiritual authority of the family: "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." A mother and children without the husband and father are unprotected--spiritually and materially.
From a proud non-owner of a smart phone. Good discussion.
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Mom rules domestically, dad rules in foreign policy
I don't understand. You lament the loss of snow days and summers off from school, which are times when children could be studying, and then in the next segment, you talk about that we are not made for comfort, but great things.
You complain that the Church has dialed back the required fasts, and then advocate for more leisure time for kids! The internet has provided us the means to do great things and teach kids how to use it for great things as well.
I am all for the digitalization of libraries. It was never the books themselves that were needed, but the information in them. In reality, we need fewer books, and more study of the sources of wisdom, which are all available online.
Do you really not see a distinction between the classical conception of leisure and doomscrolling on TikTok? And you see a life filled with both leisure and self-sacrifice as inherently contradictory? I think your premises are mistaken there, my friend.
As to your point about digitalization and needing "fewer books"--you should read Marc Barnes at New Polity on the permanence of the page. And I would simply ask you if the internet has actually increased general literacy on the "sources of wisdom" now that they are available online? I would assert a definitive no in answer to that question.
@@zaccrippenIf we are made for great things, why wouldn't one of the greatest thing in the modern age be for us to learn to manage tech in a way that is virtuous and reasonable? That is the very challenge of our day. Teaching children to go to a physical library to look for books about growing peppers, when such information (if it is even necessary) is available to them online with a few clicks, is not a sign of virtue or doing hard things. The options are not TikTok doomscrolling or summer's off from school. A summer could be spent studying using online technology in a virtuous way.
As for books, I try follow the advice of men like St. John Newman who taught “It is common in an age where books abound to think that the gratification of the love of reading is real study.”(On the Idea of a University, Part 2, Chapter 4, Section 1 On Grammar). Real study is very challenging. The books that need studied are not being written and published by modern authors. The sources of wisdom are ancient, and they are available online (print them if you want to read a book, we use Harvard Book Store to print some of our children's texts, or Lulu).
@@CatholicHaze Hi there. You're fundamentally misunderstanding my argument and creating straw men out of what I didn't say, so I won't respond further. God bless you!
@zaccrippen Oh, OK. Thanks.
For anyone else reading, another problem that is mentioned is that it is lamented that one does not know how to grow his own food or build his own furniture that he sits in. But if a man spent his time actually doing these things, he would not have leisure time for study. Scripture teaches this: "The scribe’s wisdom increases wisdom; whoever is free from toil can become wise. How can one become learned who guides the plow?" Sirach 38:24 and following teaches the difference between the learned man and skilled laborers. One must be free from toil in order to advance in learning and wisdom. Such freedom comes through the labor of other men, or, today, through technology. We can't disparage the technology that makes such study possible, or wish to return to some non existing time where married men grew their own food and also had time for real study. The classical conception of leisure requires that most men are laboring, and few are studying.
@@zaccrippen Can you point me to the interview you did with the Air Force fellow who studied at Oxford and wrote on AI and understanding? Thanks.