I hope you guys watch "dumb type", which was stage performance group, and musics were composed by Ryoji Ikeda. They performed in 90's. Sadly, the main man of the company died, and so the company ended. They were one of the most great contemporary stage artistes.
@@AndrewLagowski thank you for pointing out. Thus, dump type still acting even after Furhash died. I was too drunk. Sorry for my comment and my crazy english
listening to this song on its own, without the context and buildup of the rest of the album, is like reading lord of the rings by skipping straight to the ring landing in the lava of mt doom. the bass, clean tones and almost fully realised structure is complete heaven compared to the formless shapes and suggestions of everything leading up to it. do yourself a favour and find a quiet dark place for an hour long musical reconstruction.
Ya totally... I'm into orchestral and atmospheric concepts but never really full embraced them creatively. I'd like to incorporate more of that structure into my own chaotic and impulsive style.
Nice response. I typically deal with melodic and technical music (progressive metal or classical or rock) that really deals with an overwhelming auditory experience. I'm the guy listening to every note of that guitar solo. That's what it's about for me but I try and broaden my horizons which is why you find me here. Anyway, it's not my cup of tea but I do find it musically interesting.
Typically, music is aimed to make people dance which is part of the reproductive response. Ryoji Ikeda's work is experiments with pure frequencies and mathamatics that trick your limbic system into doing lots of very strange things as your ears adjust as your brain eventually works out the patterns. Its very experimental and its not really intended to be listened to the same way most music is. Its not for gratification or feeling. Its meant to flip your switches and play games with you.
I realize you left this comment a while back but I sort of felt that I might be able to add something to the conversation. What I think works well for this sort of music is to think of the sculptural elements of it as replacing the single notes of other forms of music. There is still a great deal of musical expression here, but it's driven by the mutation of phrases rather than the mutation of notes. Hope that helps.
Its good that you can step back and be objective. For someone who's not especially knowledgable about guitar stuff, could you recommend a few foundations to get me started in my exploration of the genre? I started with electronic music about 10 years ago and haven't really looked back. It seems pretty daunting and I have no idea where to start.
It's slightly frustrating that this live recording even exists here, other than to provide the visuals...because when it comes to Ikeda's music, it's ALL about frequency. So much so, in fact, that if you're not hearing his work as damn-close to lossless as you can, you're not experiencing the half of it. The "extra frequencies" that MP3 and AAC cut out (sub-bass, treble above 22 kHZ) are what Ikeda's music tends to inhabit. The point is, if you're on RUclips watching a FAN-RECORDED performance, hoping to discover what it is that Ikeda's music is all about, you'd be better off looking/listening somewhere else. Find some .flac if you have to, get the best equipment you've got. Put on an Ikeda album, (low volume! or you could damage your ears/speakers) ...sit back, relax, and ENTER THE SPECTRUM.
Dmitry Lyamzin Not talking about bootleg-recordings but RUclips-Soundquality is mostly piss-poor, on 240p the cutoff is @ 11khz since the codec uses 64 kbps-Mp3. 720p and above should sound transparent for most ppl if the original Sound was good quality - still missing some of the Music, not in terms of frequencies but in transparency imho.
Dmitry Lyamzin ...I'm pretty late to reply. I admit, I was mistaken to say that one will "not experience the half of" Ryoji's music, unless they're hearing it losslessly. I also retract my statement of this upload being "frustrating", because my expectation is unrealistic, or at least difficult to meet, concerning just a fan: A capture of this performance that will recreate the event in a highly faithful manner. It *would* be achievable, however, in two ways: Since Ikeda's music sounds very different in a wide open space such as a concert, a *binaural* recording made by a dummy head would make one hear it like they're actually there. This, combined with a higher quality video recording, would fit the bill. Perhaps just the direct video that's being projected would do. Until then, I can do fine with a fan-upload. It's as good as it can get for now, without going to the actual show. Which is certain to be quite the experience in itself. The "harshness" one might feel from the extreme high-and-low ends of Ryoji's music would likely get toned down in a wide, open space.
Alex Kemmler I think there definitely is, but not in this live recording, of course. I mentioned in the post just before yours that I admit I mentioned what I was aiming at in the wrong way. The "why" that you bring up, which I'm guessing is like "why bother"...well, it's just a pickiness of mine. I smile when creative endeavors are faithfully * *preserved* * throughout their history. For example, my biggest peeves are the "Loudness War", noticeable MP3 artifacts, and other media issues like image upscaling and/or "D.N.R." (Dynamic Noise Removal). I'm no "audiophile" to any extent, though I do have almost my entire music collection archived in FLAC. *It could be said by some that these things don't matter.* But for my own reasons stated, I think they perfectly do. It could be dubbed as "placebo" or "unimportant"... ...but would anyone complain if, say, a Master Chef preferred to use a certain ladle, polished in a certain way, every time he made his soup?
:) Sometimes it's hard to add things into a style, but it's almost always worth it. One case where this is apparent is that I think you can see a lot of overlap with Ryoji Ikeda and later Radiohead, the same exploration of phase shift and pattern mutation is evident in the work. I can't cite any material right now that demonstrates that Thom and the boys were listening to Ikeda's work; but the music seems to have grown in that direction from the earlier albums.
It might be worth it to move the audio forward a bit so it lines up with the patterns on the screen, like, when the high-pitch thing makes it mostly thin soft lines. It would be cool to see it synchronized.
I would called it as Abstract Electronic because the message of the music that delivered to your brain is really abstract and sometime hard for the brain to process how the rhythm and melody works on it unless your brain is already get used to it.
people just need to be "impressed" they have no feeling for art so that's why everyone say wow men that was impressive! but these patterns are really poor and even if computer is on this work lays on poor effects. This is nothing but a show.
I agree about this not being visually not very impressive. With that said, in terms of sound it's a different story. Also, for visuals I would recommend checking out his Datamatics piece. Now that one is much more visually complex and interesting. Also, Micro-Macro is rather complex and nice as well, worth checking out.
![Ryoji Ikeda - dataplex [XY Oscilloscope Visualization] [HQ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dkOzkD7Dcvo/mqdefault.jpg)
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
should have been Tokyo Olympics 2020 opening ceremony
I had the pleasure of seeing an exhibition of his work once in Amsterdam. It was otherwordly. So freaking cool.
Hard to believe that this song was released in 2005, it sounds so modern.
Every time I get a severe migraine I always blast this in my ears and it feels better for a bit
I hope you guys watch "dumb type", which was stage performance group, and musics were composed by Ryoji Ikeda. They performed in 90's. Sadly, the main man of the company died, and so the company ended.
They were one of the most great contemporary stage artistes.
Toru Yamanaka was the main composer for Dumb Type, along with founder Teiji Furuhashi. Ikeda joined later.
@@AndrewLagowski thank you for pointing out.
Thus, dump type still acting even after Furhash died. I was too drunk. Sorry for my comment and my crazy english
@@今川漱石 No apology necessary 😊
@@AndrewLagowski thank you for your kindness.
listening to this song on its own, without the context and buildup of the rest of the album, is like reading lord of the rings by skipping straight to the ring landing in the lava of mt doom.
the bass, clean tones and almost fully realised structure is complete heaven compared to the formless shapes and suggestions of everything leading up to it.
do yourself a favour and find a quiet dark place for an hour long musical reconstruction.
but my ears hurt
@@goole7445it’s part of the experience
I discovered great music today
I want to see this in 4K
I want to own all of his works as render algorithms so resolutions aren't really a problem anymore.
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Brilliant artist
maravilhoso
incredible !
damn i wanna see him live now this is so cool xD
One of the most ambitious artists of our day. Ryoji Ikeda is a genius! Gotta love the part at 3:34
I really like this stuff.
I think he needs a new video cable. lol
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Ya totally... I'm into orchestral and atmospheric concepts but never really full embraced them creatively. I'd like to incorporate more of that structure into my own chaotic and impulsive style.
i would pay to see him
DANIEL MATZ LoL, everyone had to
ironic
I will see you live sometime!❤️🔥
This is awesome.
Nice response. I typically deal with melodic and technical music (progressive metal or classical or rock) that really deals with an overwhelming auditory experience. I'm the guy listening to every note of that guitar solo. That's what it's about for me but I try and broaden my horizons which is why you find me here. Anyway, it's not my cup of tea but I do find it musically interesting.
in the future, this is what robots will listen to on itunes
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Brilliant
Typically, music is aimed to make people dance which is part of the reproductive response.
Ryoji Ikeda's work is experiments with pure frequencies and mathamatics that trick your limbic system into doing lots of very strange things as your ears adjust as your brain eventually works out the patterns.
Its very experimental and its not really intended to be listened to the same way most music is. Its not for gratification or feeling. Its meant to flip your switches and play games with you.
count me in ...
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grande!
I realize you left this comment a while back but I sort of felt that I might be able to add something to the conversation. What I think works well for this sort of music is to think of the sculptural elements of it as replacing the single notes of other forms of music. There is still a great deal of musical expression here, but it's driven by the mutation of phrases rather than the mutation of notes. Hope that helps.
Its good that you can step back and be objective. For someone who's not especially knowledgable about guitar stuff, could you recommend a few foundations to get me started in my exploration of the genre? I started with electronic music about 10 years ago and haven't really looked back. It seems pretty daunting and I have no idea where to start.
It's slightly frustrating that this live recording even exists here, other than to provide the visuals...because when it comes to Ikeda's music, it's ALL about frequency.
So much so, in fact, that if you're not hearing his work as damn-close to lossless as you can, you're not experiencing the half of it. The "extra frequencies" that MP3 and AAC cut out (sub-bass, treble above 22 kHZ) are what Ikeda's music tends to inhabit.
The point is, if you're on RUclips watching a FAN-RECORDED performance, hoping to discover what it is that Ikeda's music is all about, you'd be better off looking/listening somewhere else. Find some .flac if you have to, get the best equipment you've got. Put on an Ikeda album, (low volume! or you could damage your ears/speakers)
...sit back, relax, and ENTER THE SPECTRUM.
Dmitry Lyamzin
Not talking about bootleg-recordings but RUclips-Soundquality is mostly piss-poor, on 240p the cutoff is @ 11khz since the codec uses 64 kbps-Mp3.
720p and above should sound transparent for most ppl if the original Sound was good quality - still missing some of the Music, not in terms of frequencies but in transparency imho.
Dmitry Lyamzin ...I'm pretty late to reply.
I admit, I was mistaken to say that one will "not experience the half of" Ryoji's music, unless they're hearing it losslessly.
I also retract my statement of this upload being "frustrating", because my expectation is unrealistic, or at least difficult to meet, concerning just a fan:
A capture of this performance that will recreate the event in a highly faithful manner.
It *would* be achievable, however, in two ways:
Since Ikeda's music sounds very different in a wide open space such as a concert, a *binaural* recording made by a dummy head would make one hear it like they're actually there.
This, combined with a higher quality video recording, would fit the bill. Perhaps just the direct video that's being projected would do.
Until then, I can do fine with a fan-upload. It's as good as it can get for now, without going to the actual show. Which is certain to be quite the experience in itself.
The "harshness" one might feel from the extreme high-and-low ends of Ryoji's music would likely get toned down in a wide, open space.
I don't think there is anything above 22khz in there. Or if there is, why?
Alex Kemmler
I think there definitely is, but not in this live recording, of course. I mentioned in the post just before yours that I admit I mentioned what I was aiming at in the wrong way.
The "why" that you bring up, which I'm guessing is like "why bother"...well, it's just a pickiness of mine.
I smile when creative endeavors are faithfully * *preserved* * throughout their history.
For example, my biggest peeves are the "Loudness War", noticeable MP3 artifacts, and other media issues like image upscaling and/or "D.N.R." (Dynamic Noise Removal).
I'm no "audiophile" to any extent, though I do have almost my entire music collection archived in FLAC.
*It could be said by some that these things don't matter.* But for my own reasons stated, I think they perfectly do. It could be dubbed as "placebo" or "unimportant"...
...but would anyone complain if, say, a Master Chef preferred to use a certain ladle, polished in a certain way, every time he made his soup?
CatalystChameleon
Most people can't hear frequencies above 20khz, and below 30hz so it doesn't matter.
WOW
Hey man! The TV's broken again!
Beautiful! And not as mainstream as Alva Noto ;-)
me wuz there
sensational.
I guess it's good I don't have epilepsy
ça c'est de la techno !! big up
:)
Sometimes it's hard to add things into a style, but it's almost always worth it.
One case where this is apparent is that I think you can see a lot of overlap with Ryoji Ikeda and later Radiohead, the same exploration of phase shift and pattern mutation is evident in the work. I can't cite any material right now that demonstrates that Thom and the boys were listening to Ikeda's work; but the music seems to have grown in that direction from the earlier albums.
Perhaps from their mutual influence from Aphex Twin?
It might be worth it to move the audio forward a bit so it lines up with the patterns on the screen, like, when the high-pitch thing makes it mostly thin soft lines. It would be cool to see it synchronized.
Why synchronize everything? I am sure Ikeda did it on purpose and I like it this way. It gives it a more dynamic and chaotic atmosphere.
I guess I'm one of those people, because I am jamming the fuck out to this.
what gear is he using here, anyone?
Why yes, I love to listen to a dial-up modem! It is still much better and original than all the processed crap that spews out in the clubs.
Yes
HF. I've gone blind! Thanks a lot! lol
Awesome video though.
Epilepsy warning. .3.
There is someone over u
OMG! My ears hurt as hell. It may be interesting or awesome, but how could anyone listen to it? O.o (using: Koss Porta Pro)
I think this would get old real quickly.
there is a whole genre of music based on these approaches, self defined as: microfunk (watch?v=tMM8bkjamfg).
I would called it as Abstract Electronic because the message of the music that delivered to your brain is really abstract and sometime hard for the brain to process how the rhythm and melody works on it unless your brain is already get used to it.
yeah he rules... love the submarine *pings*
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@bce5150 Maybe we have more tolerance than a 5 year old?
ドンカマ2000ってこの曲の影響受けてたりするのかな
I understand if you're on ecstasy and grinding with a girl... but how do you just sit here and listen this
@bce5150 it's awesome
it s like playing pog with god (my wife says)
@Lortagreb I've listened to music my whole life and electronic music for over 15 years of that.... I am tolerant. I just personally don't prefer this.
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people just need to be "impressed" they have no feeling for art so that's why everyone say wow men that was impressive! but these patterns are really poor and even if computer is on this work lays on poor effects. This is nothing but a show.
I agree about this not being visually not very impressive. With that said, in terms of sound it's a different story.
Also, for visuals I would recommend checking out his Datamatics piece. Now that one is much more visually complex and interesting. Also, Micro-Macro is rather complex and nice as well, worth checking out.
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