@@RenderingUser that feels so wrong. Your setup i mean. What kind of setup is that? Downloading executables each compile? Can't you just execute it in cloud? Or just compile it on your own machine instead?
@@aldi_nh I'm talking about gui applications those can't be tested through the cloud that's exactly my point those applications are still best compiled on your own machine so I'm just saying that coding on the cloud isn't going to be as great as the guy in the video thinks
It's actually great for some applications. I installed code-server on my personal server, and it's great being able to hop in a web browser on any device, and just write server code that's instantly there on the server.
I personally use Microsoft Word , it is probably the most customizable IDE , you are able to change colors and the font of every line of code !! No problem
Vim, syntax highlithing and searching with ag (or similar) is fast even with millions of lines of code (not that you should ever have such a large source file in the first place)
@@okie9025 Yeah that is what I am saying. Good and powerful tools have been around for 20 years, they just take minimal getting used to (like vim or emacs).
@@msx94Java’s one of those languages where its’s honestly better if you are using an ide like IntelliJ. If you really want the VIM experience with Java I recommend getting IntelliJ set up with Vim motions. It’s great this way because you’ll have all the power of IntelliJ but you’ll be able to learn those core home row motions without throwing yourself into the deep end of VIM/NVIM RC. Those VI adjacent editors are honestly at their best if you’re either doing SSH and don’t really have the choice of using a graphical editor, or using Linux. There’s nothing wrong with just having VIM motions set up with your current IDE. I also think NVIM is just really fun to learn especially if you want to be able to really customize and personalize your experience with your editor.
"Fleet... lightweight" My filled to the edges VSCode workspace with 20 sifferent extensions and compilers running takes up 700MB-1GB... Fleet takes up 2.3GB clean...
@@ioneocla6577 if you install Doom to emacs is ready to use out of the box. Neovim depends how many things you want to add, you can add packages with Lua and make neovim like a IDE or you can just add the essential in the config file. But the idea of neovim is to keep thinks minimal. So I don't think what you said is accurate at all ☝️😅
@@franzrr9538 tried doom emacs and as a noob, no it's not an OOBE. I tried modifing the main config file and miserably failed because of a syntax error. The shortcuts are very special, the lsp didn't work for some reason, and most the pakaging system is weird. As for neovim welp i'm giving it a try because the config language isn't as weird as elisp and isn't overfilled with useless features
@@ioneocla6577 Let me recommend you this ruclips.net/video/Vd5AACp6GG0/видео.html This channel is the best for learning things like neovim and emacs. The link that I share to you is a video that show you neovide a gui for neovim that make things more easy for new users, is like an alternative for doom emacs.
@@ezzedineoz5452 bluetooth keyboard and tablet/phone should be possible, i even ssh into my raspberry pi from my phone sometimes so coding shouldn't be a problem either
My pc is literally 14 years old (it has my same age lol) and thanks to my github student developer pack I use mainly Rider for C# and Clion for C/C++. They take up to five/ten minutes to load a full project but even if they aren't the fastest solution I manage to use them without problem because they are really well optimized
Buy some cheap ssd. Put system and IDEs on it. You'll get huge boost in loading times. Launching an ide or setting up the project are mostly io based operations. Minimal cpu power is needed. I've had the same issue on the windows server. C drive was mounted on HDD and was extremely bloated. Visual Studio was launching up to 10 mins. We switched to ssd, and now VS is ready to go within seconds.
I don't think Fleet is meant to be lightweight. I think it just wants to be a all in one solution. Even though its in beta, when I tried it was laggy af.
Hope to get an update soon with google project idx im that list. Most promesign feature being not needing an apple device anymore to develop for apple.
Can tou make a tutorial about it. I like jet brains ide but they are confusing to begin with. If u could bring a setup tutorial and describe the code interface
Fleet seemed so promising but trying it out it was sooooo slow. I mean it was (or is?) Beta so of course it's not perfect but compared to vsc it was nothing. Codespaces is basically cloud vsc so I wouldn't see it as competition 😅
I don't think the future of code is on the cloud. "Heavyweight" IDEs can be run on a potato just fine. Some people complain about the time it takes to launch a larger IDE like Visual Studio for example... if the literal 2 seconds it takes something like Visual Studio to launch will make or break your day you are not really patient enough for a career where you're going to rewrite the exact same method 199 times because the project manager said we needed to change frameworks or libraries again.
to be clear; if you are working with very large ML models you need a room full of 40U stacks and your own special electrical grid, not a powerful PC. If you can accomplish it in your lifetime with a threadripper or a xeon platinum then you can accomplish it in your lifetime with a i7-2700k from 2011. "The cloud" is not a good solution to this problem either because it'll cost you more per hour than the entire facility would cost the hosting company.
Не понятно, для чего существует Fleet, ведь в режиме редактора кода, кроме подсветки синтаксиса, в нём ничего нет, а в режиме IDE это та же самая IDE, как и десяток других IDE от JetBrains, но без поддержки плагинов.
I think partly yes and partly no, depending on what you're making. Certain applications can't afford the latency and others just don't need the extra power. If it's something computationally intensive but not full-on real time. Kind of like CGI artists working with previews locally but sending the scene off to rendering farms for the final marerial
nothing is gonna replace vscode unless a new editor brings some game changing technology that vscode doesn't or can't have. it's stable and most developers have gotten used to it and built their ecosystem around it, developers are too lazy to make a huge switch for some stupid small feature that we can get using an extension anyway
No it isn't, but it also is... The cloud is good for transfers especially using git and other cloud storage. But due to how unreliable internet can be for many people plus even reliable nets can become unstable, many people me include will want to work on the desktop (through stuff like vsc) and just use the cloud as a storage system for accessing anywhere.
For the love of all things please my fellow developers do not fall into this trap. The gaming market is now just waking up to realize they don’t own the games they bought. Remember what we said 8 to 9 years ago when the marketing campaign for the “cloud” started. “The cloud is just somebody else’s computer”
In all jetbrains IDE, still we don't get the collapsible tree view feature while comparing two folders, it's a shame this basic feature is missing from a paid software. For many years, many requests have been active in YouTrack, but not implemented in jetbrains products. A free program called Meld has this feature. Unbelievable. You people don't know how to implement this feature? Or you don't want us to use it.
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"is the future of code on the cloud?"
my Internet connection: *laughs in kb/s*
@CatUpCat oh
is see
but what about compiling large software with gui?
won't you have to download executables all the time?
@@RenderingUser 🤯 yes let's set up a powerful environment and then not use it. That's some big brain stuff
@@danielnielsen24 hmm
i didnt quite understand that
care to elaborate?
@@RenderingUser that feels so wrong. Your setup i mean. What kind of setup is that? Downloading executables each compile? Can't you just execute it in cloud? Or just compile it on your own machine instead?
@@aldi_nh I'm talking about gui applications
those can't be tested through the cloud
that's exactly my point
those applications are still best compiled on your own machine
so I'm just saying that coding on the cloud isn't going to be as great as the guy in the video thinks
Writes code
Server crashes
Can't work for hours
Cloud service is amazing!
“Is the future of code (editing) on the cloud?”
I sure hope not.
Why tho?
@@tudorradu5848 coding with no internet and usually providers will limit you unless you pay for a plan.
@@tudorradu5848 countries like mine with pretty shitty internet would really be affected by it.
It's actually great for some applications. I installed code-server on my personal server, and it's great being able to hop in a web browser on any device, and just write server code that's instantly there on the server.
I find it invaluable to have the option to. Jumping into new projects without messing up your computer with dev dependencies.
I personally use Microsoft Word , it is probably the most customizable IDE , you are able to change colors and the font of every line of code !!
No problem
Finally, a fellow MS Worder. We gotta stick together brotha!!
how do you test it?
@@void9886 testing is for the weak...
@@void9886 yes
@@void9886 copy paste! 👍
Me using neovim: signature look of superiority
Vim, syntax highlithing and searching with ag (or similar) is fast even with millions of lines of code (not that you should ever have such a large source file in the first place)
@@Chronologist89 a code editor is the last type of software that needs to optimization lol
@@okie9025 Yeah that is what I am saying. Good and powerful tools have been around for 20 years, they just take minimal getting used to (like vim or emacs).
Can you suggest me plugins to run neovim as a java IDE?
@@msx94Java’s one of those languages where its’s honestly better if you are using an ide like IntelliJ. If you really want the VIM experience with Java I recommend getting IntelliJ set up with Vim motions. It’s great this way because you’ll have all the power of IntelliJ but you’ll be able to learn those core home row motions without throwing yourself into the deep end of VIM/NVIM RC.
Those VI adjacent editors are honestly at their best if you’re either doing SSH and don’t really have the choice of using a graphical editor, or using Linux. There’s nothing wrong with just having VIM motions set up with your current IDE. I also think NVIM is just really fun to learn especially if you want to be able to really customize and personalize your experience with your editor.
“Is the future of code on the cloud?”
Git:
"Fleet... lightweight"
My filled to the edges VSCode workspace with 20 sifferent extensions and compilers running takes up 700MB-1GB...
Fleet takes up 2.3GB clean...
What I love about vscode is that it’s lightweight using less battery on my laptop unlike IDEs
I really hope that it's a joke.
Doom emacs and neovim all ready are the superior ones
Gotta love spending hours configuring it
@@ioneocla6577 days*
@@ioneocla6577 if you install Doom to emacs is ready to use out of the box. Neovim depends how many things you want to add, you can add packages with Lua and make neovim like a IDE or you can just add the essential in the config file. But the idea of neovim is to keep thinks minimal.
So I don't think what you said is accurate at all ☝️😅
@@franzrr9538 tried doom emacs and as a noob, no it's not an OOBE. I tried modifing the main config file and miserably failed because of a syntax error. The shortcuts are very special, the lsp didn't work for some reason, and most the pakaging system is weird. As for neovim welp i'm giving it a try because the config language isn't as weird as elisp and isn't overfilled with useless features
@@ioneocla6577 Let me recommend you this
ruclips.net/video/Vd5AACp6GG0/видео.html
This channel is the best for learning things like neovim and emacs. The link that I share to you is a video that show you neovide a gui for neovim that make things more easy for new users, is like an alternative for doom emacs.
Codespaces on Mobile still needs fine tuning 😂
But it's a brilliant concept
I am excited for that!
coding on mobile keyboard?oh no, oh no no
@@ezzedineoz5452 it wasn't the worst thing honestly 😂
Still kinda buggy rn tho
@@ezzedineoz5452 bluetooth keyboard and tablet/phone should be possible, i even ssh into my raspberry pi from my phone sometimes so coding shouldn't be a problem either
My pc is literally 14 years old (it has my same age lol) and thanks to my github student developer pack I use mainly Rider for C# and Clion for C/C++. They take up to five/ten minutes to load a full project but even if they aren't the fastest solution I manage to use them without problem because they are really well optimized
Buy some cheap ssd. Put system and IDEs on it. You'll get huge boost in loading times. Launching an ide or setting up the project are mostly io based operations. Minimal cpu power is needed. I've had the same issue on the windows server. C drive was mounted on HDD and was extremely bloated. Visual Studio was launching up to 10 mins. We switched to ssd, and now VS is ready to go within seconds.
A cloud editor could come in handy for sure but right now nothing is beats having a powerful workstation right on your desk.
I don't think Fleet is meant to be lightweight. I think it just wants to be a all in one solution.
Even though its in beta, when I tried it was laggy af.
I actually use .ppt as code editor. Animations are good also.
What code editor do you use!? 💭
I use Visual Studio Code
I use pycharm
I use pycharm made by jetbrains
VSCode
JetBrains - PHPStorm, WebStorm, PyCharm.
JetBrains wow did an amazing job...
Git will steal every line you code in real-time. Neat.
Yea i bet it reallly wants your shitty code dawg lol
Am using Fleet! Very nice editor
Honestly,I just use notepad++ over years, because it serves me anything i want.
Zed if it will come to windows and Linux>>>
Jetbrains' Fleet🔥
Hope to get an update soon with google project idx im that list. Most promesign feature being not needing an apple device anymore to develop for apple.
Can tou make a tutorial about it. I like jet brains ide but they are confusing to begin with. If u could bring a setup tutorial and describe the code interface
Jetbrains is known to make heavy awesome pocket-heavy ides
The future of vsc seems to be vsc
Yeah after 1 year I can say this video aged like mill
vscode or vscodium is still the most convenient solution for me
“for mac OS” well that’s never gonna take over a damn thing🤣
I want the first one on windows
I feel like you are the type of guy to say “glizzy”
Looking forward to try CodeEdit, tried fleet hated it.
i wish code edit comes to windows as well
I like jetbrains intellij and pycharm so this sounds.good
I gave Fleet a try. It was consuming more than double the memory consumed by IntelliJ.
Fleet seemed so promising but trying it out it was sooooo slow.
I mean it was (or is?) Beta so of course it's not perfect but compared to vsc it was nothing.
Codespaces is basically cloud vsc so I wouldn't see it as competition 😅
The crown's always been tmux, vim in the cloud. The crowns will never be taken in a long long time to come.
Neovim till the end
in my opinion the best are sublime text geany and lite-xl
Or emacs
Fleet has port forwarding… they win
Nothing beats my emacs config (for me)
Everyone loves the cloud until you leave some process and instances running and get hit with a giant bill
Actually I wouldn't mind decentralised ompiling...
I will choose Sublime
None will be able to touch vim
I use Neovim btw
Lapce is pretty great too (indeed! It's made in Rust)
Neovim: am I a joke to you?
Hey do you know how to set up pyright server ? I'm using nvim-cmp , but pyright isn't attaching to the buffer.
@@itsmimic007 i just straight up installed astrovim
its got a really handy interface for downloading lsp
try that
@@itsmimic007 oof, mine just worked fine from the start, weird
I don't think the future of code is on the cloud. "Heavyweight" IDEs can be run on a potato just fine. Some people complain about the time it takes to launch a larger IDE like Visual Studio for example... if the literal 2 seconds it takes something like Visual Studio to launch will make or break your day you are not really patient enough for a career where you're going to rewrite the exact same method 199 times because the project manager said we needed to change frameworks or libraries again.
I'm using VSCode web version
I would rather have my things on my own computer than someone else's. Thank you.
Use ed, the standard UNIX editor.
Might wanna add Google idx to this list
>cloud
No thanks, not touching it with a 3.05 meter pole
Replit 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Good chance code spaces is going to be a subscription service if it uses resources on another machine so I think I'll stick with my free IDE :D
which one is more mostly used in the industry for front end development?vscode or webstorm
Use VIM
Fleet isnt released yet, im waiting few years now. Why did u not mentioned that?
I shouldve!
Well rn many ppl who don't have a powerful machine and wanna train heavy ML models use google Collab on cloud.
to be clear; if you are working with very large ML models you need a room full of 40U stacks and your own special electrical grid, not a powerful PC. If you can accomplish it in your lifetime with a threadripper or a xeon platinum then you can accomplish it in your lifetime with a i7-2700k from 2011. "The cloud" is not a good solution to this problem either because it'll cost you more per hour than the entire facility would cost the hosting company.
For mac? Would it ever support other platforms? That’s the only way to get the crown.
What about gitpod?
I like devcontainer more than workspaces.
What about Lapce or Helix?
neovim is the future
The cloud is slower than my pc.
And emacs still will be the best
sir can u tell me what is role of binary code in web/andriod development??
Dude that's not fleet that's jetbrains gateway what you are talking about, this is not related to fleet but can be used with any jetbrains editor
I like atom, except than I learned it’s a text editor not a ide.
I like thonny on the pi I use that if I’m on pi
They discontinued Atom
@@DenisovichDev 😅 Oh shit eh
Не понятно, для чего существует Fleet, ведь в режиме редактора кода, кроме подсветки синтаксиса, в нём ничего нет, а в режиме IDE это та же самая IDE, как и десяток других IDE от JetBrains, но без поддержки плагинов.
you missed google IDX
I code python right through my browser from my phone and i have no issue till now or would they
Ah yes, now even code editing needs to be done in cloud. Soon you'll have to pay monthly subscription for editing lines of your code.
Will there be a good code editor or ide for ipad pro m1? :) tnx
Since they stopped developing atom.im looking towards zed. F*ck codespaces...how should you code on the Train, or outside?
What your recommendation?
I dont really have one :) I use VS Code but thats just preference
@@CodingWithLewis thank you, thats good for me
Vim
Emacs
@@QwertyQwerty-tp1pd heheh the first time I had to alt-f4 to close the editor because I was dumb. Now I just shutdown the pc....
Rip atom.
Bro
How do you find this kind of news?
I use VS code
I think partly yes and partly no, depending on what you're making. Certain applications can't afford the latency and others just don't need the extra power. If it's something computationally intensive but not full-on real time. Kind of like CGI artists working with previews locally but sending the scene off to rendering farms for the final marerial
vim is still the answer
You forget Google IDX🎉❤
nothing is gonna replace vscode unless a new editor brings some game changing technology that vscode doesn't or can't have. it's stable and most developers have gotten used to it and built their ecosystem around it, developers are too lazy to make a huge switch for some stupid small feature that we can get using an extension anyway
Bruh apple is actually making something Open Source 💀
The problem of Codespaces is that the cloud machines are only Linux machines.
When I see services moving to the cloud all i see are tons of monthly bills.
They will need cloud to run so they can't run offline anymore right?
I use gitpod
neovim for life!
No it isn't, but it also is... The cloud is good for transfers especially using git and other cloud storage. But due to how unreliable internet can be for many people plus even reliable nets can become unstable, many people me include will want to work on the desktop (through stuff like vsc) and just use the cloud as a storage system for accessing anywhere.
create your own IDE
For the love of all things please my fellow developers do not fall into this trap. The gaming market is now just waking up to realize they don’t own the games they bought. Remember what we said 8 to 9 years ago when the marketing campaign for the “cloud” started. “The cloud is just somebody else’s computer”
What's your point?
In all jetbrains IDE, still we don't get the collapsible tree view feature while comparing two folders, it's a shame this basic feature is missing from a paid software. For many years, many requests have been active in YouTrack, but not implemented in jetbrains products. A free program called Meld has this feature. Unbelievable. You people don't know how to implement this feature? Or you don't want us to use it.
Never used comparison of folders 😂
Apple is making an open-source application? That sounds like a first.
what about IDX?
on the cloud lies the way to steal your work without your consent
How much dose the github thing cost
Well my 4gb ram laptop can run notepad. I had a point. I forgot what it was.
Helix!
Anything to replace Xcode