One thing I think it is very important to point out is how fire has been a a big part of German culture in general, not just military culture. For instance, one of the most well known traditions for Germans all around the world is “Laternenlaufen” or runing with lanterns, in which kindergartners and other young folk march at night with lanterns while singing traditional songs.
German-speaking South Tyrol also has a tradition started by Andreas Hofer in the 19th century called Herz Jesu (heart of Jesus). Large cross-shaped piles of wood are set ablaze on mountains to show the region's affinity to Christ.
I find it interesting to note, that ibn fadlan, in his book/journal of traveling through northern Europe entitled "the land of darkness", mentions encountering the Kievan Rus, Slavic peoples with strong germanic/norse origins, and repeatedly labels them as "fire worshippers". An even earlier attest to the German's affinity for fire is given by Tacitus, who describes them as using it for a sort of divination of the future. Another awesome video, Johnny!
I recommend reading his accounts because he's honestly kinda relatable to a modern audience so his reactions make a lot of sense and makes you feel like you're really there since you'd react in a similar way. He came from the cosmopolitan Middle East and was used to Baghdad, which was one of the largest and richest cities in the world and certainly a very comfortable place to live in that period so he usually is just as uncomfortable and disgusted as a modern person would be by a lot of this stuff. For example he often comments on the lack of hygiene and you can really hear it in the writing that he's almost about to throw up, which is relatable and also kinda funny.
"Fire worshipper" was a generic Islamic term for pagan, originating from Zoroastrianism which incorporated a lot fire in worship. Not denying that fire played significant ritual roles in Slavic, Nordic, Baltic etc. paganism but I don't really know much about that.
In 1950's South Africa, the Torch Commando was a liberal politically organized protest movement opposed to the introduction of the apartheid system. Sailor Malan, flying ace in the RAF during WW2, was the president of the group who held torchlight marches at night.
Growing up in Colorado there would often be an evening torch light ski parade, single file skiers snaking down an easy slope holding torches. They happened during holidays or special occasions. It made for a pretty cool spectacle if the weather cooperated. I’m wondering if the concept was brought over by the many European ski instructors, patrolmen etc. that immigrated to the Rockies in the early to mid 20th century.
There are two aspects of fire that get routinely ignored, Johnny. One: Fire is a living thing. It needs oxygen and fuel, just like us. Under control, fire is a useful friend: OUT of control, it's a deadly killer. Secondly, fire purifies. Fire is used to refine metals. In the Movies, fire was used to "burn out the cell" of lepers after they were ejected (Ben Hur and Man in the Iron Mask); fire was used on plague-stricken towns and villages. No wonder race-conscious dictators and other goons like fire.
It's funny how modern day nazi and kkk members use tikki torches now lol . They are so pathetic and embarrassing why can't they just grow up and love one another. They all need to realize we as people are all just walking each other home and it should be done with kindness, understanding and love.
Fire is just cool. Just like black uniforms, arm band etc. Its that simple. They just did it because it was cool and looking cool is the best way to recruit more people or spread a message.
There was meaning to it all. A short overview: - Swastika reference to the sacred 7 (Ursa Major) which once formed the Trident of Atlantis prior to axial tilt. Aryans adopted the symbol and expanded it across Eurasia, Phoenicians adopted it and expanded it across Americas and Oceania. Germans are of Aryan descent. - Sonnenrad, referred to as the Black Sun being Saturn, the second sun. Saturn is central to Aryan Blood Theism. The oldest depiction goes back 3,000 years, found in the steppe where the Scythians once roamed. The Black refers to the primordial substance which makes up the foundation from which all existence is built up- Dark Matter - SS is Runic derived from the Bolts of the Black Sun, which refers to the Zodiac. Specifically, the Zodiac of Pisces which we are transitioning out of, and the Zodiac of Aquarius which we are transitioning into. The “Thousand Year Reich” being the Herald of the Change. Reich being Realm that is Midgard (Outer Earth) established on behalf of the Rigdens of Shambhala who hold Dominion over Agartha/Asgard (Inner Earth) with whom Hitler was communicating with via the Dalai Lama in Tibet and the Germans of ‘New Berlin’ which refers to the 6 Kingdoms of Saxony established *beneath* Argentina, Chile, and Brazil in the 1600’s and is why the Germans flocked to South America after the war.” - The black color refers to the primordial darkness and is esoteric reference of Dark to Light which in this case means From the Darkness of the Weimar Republic comes the Light of the Third Reich heralded by the German SS. - German SS was a combination of occult guilds/secret societies into a Jesuit structure and turned into a paramilitary group acting as the security agency for the party (NSDAP). Examples include the Nordic Thule Society who popularized the search for Atlantis, as well as the ancient Buddhist Order of the Green Dragon which had high profile members from Hitler to Tzar Nicholas, to Emperor Hirohito and more. - Many members of the SS including Hitler and Himmler were Buddhist. This goes back to the late 1800’s when a German translation of the Mahavamsa- chronical of Sri Lanka- was made, leading to a rise in popularity for Buddhism which ultimately made its way into the question relating to the German Ideal and then became the German Ideal. The Germans would later revitalize Buddhism in Sri Lanka to combat British Christian oppression, and Hitler patroned the creation of multiple temples in Austria-Germany which he attended daily for mediations. - Declassified KGB files show that many German SS officers in Buddhist Regalia were found alongside Buddhists monks having committed seppuku when Berlin was sacked. - Contrary to what the Hindu will say, Buddhism is in actuality a derivative of Mithraism. Mithraism is an ancient Aryan ideology which many of the mysteries detailed in masonry is derived from. The Mithraic influence is depicted in the Skull and Bones in the SS uniform. Other forms of Mithraism can be seen with the color Red, often linked to hats, from the Red turbans of the Marathas in India, to the Red Turban Rebellion in China, to the Red hats of MAGA in America. It is in 12/25 Christmas Day whom the birth of Mithras is celebrated, later rebranded [a] Jesus Christ by the Romans. - Fire is central to Aryan derived practices which continued via the Vedic Aryans in the Indus Valley which continues on via the Zoroastrian Fire Temples. The Germans connection to fire is derived from their Aryan ancestry. There’s tons more symbolism, but what I detailed is the core.
For a long time I thought that the 2 empires predating the Third Reich were: ancient Rome and Holy Roman Empire, but then I learned it's actually the Holy Roman Empire and the later, lesser known German Empire (from 1871 to 1918).
Torchlight parades are associated with the Vikings too. Up Helly Aa, which takes place in Lerwick, Shetland, on the last Tuesday in January every year. Up Helly Aa day involves a series of marches and visitations, culminating in a torch-lit procession and the burning of a Viking galley.
Great subject to cover, reminded me of the Shetland tradition "Up Helly Aa" Each festival involves a torchlit procession by squads of costumed participants (known as guizers) that culminates in the burning of an imitation Viking galley.
Gotta love traditions which are just based on having hated someone so much in the past that you kept it up until the modern day. Half of Danish traditions stem from some attempt to piss off the Germans, or sometimes the Swedish.
Thank you for this video. Indeed it is used by our military for the großer zapfenstreich. But also by our centuries old tradition of schützenfest (marksmen festival). A tradition that is present in the biggest of cities to the smallest of villages. The schützen (marksmen) hold a großer zapfenstreich with torches as well. I hope that at some point the marching with torches (and other german traditions like goose step/ exerzierschritt) will no longer be associated with the third reich and nazi ideology. Thank you for informing people 🙂
You should replace Preussens Gloria with some German techno, it's such a shame to have such a vital part of the European techno scene unrepresented. Perhaps you could go with a techno-remix of it.
I have a Russian capture K98 from 1934, before they stated putting the eagle clinching a swastika on the gun. It only had the Reichsadler on, and the Russians left it. On later date Russian capture guns, they pinged all the swastikas off and sometimes the eagle with it.. But I always found it interesting that the Russians knew the difference between the Reichsadler and the later nazi version..
Thank you for the history lesson, Johnny, you connected the dots quite beautifully. I just hope YT doesn't bury it simply for the repeated use of the other "N word." FWIW, I believe it needs to be done, we can't evade history by ignoring it. I believe it needs to be discussed. I'm old now, I've seen more and learned more, so I realize more easily how some types of pageantry can be manipulated. When I was young, though, I simply rolled with too many things in the moment. Harmless stuff, but it could easily have been turned and misused. When I was in my early 20s a mob assembled in my hometown to protest about a black family moving into the neighborhood. It seemed disorganized, simply a gathering loud people, some bearing almost comically illiterate signs, milling about in the area. As dusk approached a cadre of men worked their way through the crowd passing out tiki torches. They meant to unify the crowd, to make them feel special as well as feel a connection with the 1951 Cicero rioters. We got lucky. Older folks, WWII and Korean War veterans and some people who had been around for the big riot, saw what was happening and with the help of the police stepped in before the torches were lit. They basically shamed the protestors into dispersing. The police took the torches away. Protests are one thing; mobs can too quickly get out of hand. Apologies for being long winded. Your video just struck a chord for this Cicero boy.
These are the sort of very personal and relevant stories that ground history. I thank you for it. These sort of things do happen and can happen. Glad those veterans had some good perspective on the matter.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq My adjacent neighbor fought in WWII Europe and was a cop during the 1951 riots; he was mentioned by name (Lester Connerty) in _The Camille deRose Story,_ a vanity press book now available on Kindle about the 1951 riot. He rarely told "war stories" to us kids, but he shared lessons instead. He made us THINK instead of blindly accepting what we heard or were taught. He volunteered when he was old enough because he wanted to save the world. He passed along what he had learned to the kids who overran his block. He helped us all to look at the big picture. He let us all know that it's easier to follow the crowd than it is to think. I believe you neatly nailed it, Johnny.
A very thought provoking tale...we could have dome with him in Ulster, when things kicked off....again...reminds me of the fire triangle...makes me glad I,m a confirmed nerd..😊😊
Thank you JJ for another excellent video. I have always wondered why a Scottish gathering of the clans and in particular the parade of pipes and drums was called a tattoo.
You spoke about the olympic torch. Here's a neat little tidbit. The five rings were never a part of the olympics until it was carved into stone at an archaeological site by the nazis in Greece.
i think most people on some level have a fascination with fire because it's very powerful and in the dark the shifting light and shadow have almost a reality bending effect where what IS becomes flexible and the mind also becomes flexible. i think this is why all over the world you can find firelight storytelling traditions, it puts the mind in a malleable state where you can imagine easier.
I've been to torch parades in Sweden in remembrance of the Kristallnacht on the 9th of November, held by the local socialist and social-democratic parties (and possibly other parties), the former state church and various youth organisations. People organising to carry torches in a solemn procession happens occasionally after tragedies here.
I think in general in the modern day live fires of any kind are seen as a sign of remembrance or something solemn, I guess it's because we don't use them for practical purpose and the fact that they're not as bright as electric lights make them feel intimate and solemn. In Denmark it's common to light candles in your window on the night of the 4th of May to commemorate the liberation for example.
I’m glad the German’s still keep some of the traditions, it’s like a refusal to allow the Nazis to appropriate these German traditions that predate the Nazis
You're forgetting a nice scene! In "The Book Thief" from 2013, the Sturmabteilung and NSDAP torchbearers come to a square to set fire to some left-wing literature.
Would think the Germans would want to move away from steelhelms and grey colours. Just looks really odd to me seeing them dressed up as basically ww2 soldiers.
The former minister of defence, Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg (yes that's his full name), had chosen "smoke on the water" as his "Zapfenstreich"-Song. That was wierd.
If you think about it, most of the symbols, "traditions" etc. associated with the Nazis, were just ripped-off by them from older military cultures/ empires etc. The "Heil Hitler"-salute is literally the ancient Roman "Ave, Caesar/Imperator!" salute. The "Reichsadler" is the ancient Roman Imperial Eagle, which pretty much every major European empire and even the US appropiated. The Swastika is in fact an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol, which is still widely used in Asia. The "SS Totenkopf" skull, is ripped off from the Prussian elite cavalry. The Iron Cross, is another Prussian symbol / medal. The SS-rune symbol, is an ancient Germanic/ Nordic symbol for the sun. And so on....
> The "Heil Hitler"-salute is literally the ancient Roman "Ave, Caesar/Imperator!" salute. Not actually true, it's from a painting from the romantic period where some roman soldiers (depicted in the wrong armor) are saluting Caesar. In the painting they aren't even holding their arms at the 45 degree angle known from the Nazi salute, they're holding them pretty flat since they're actually just in the motion to lay down their swords. From there this salute mistakenly spread as the "Roman Salute" and became fairly popular because of the association until the Nazis sorta stole it from everyone else. From actual historical records the salute Romans actually used was the classic one you see in movies where they hold their hand up flat next to their head. > The "Reichsadler" is the ancient Roman Imperial Eagle, which pretty much every major European empire and even the US appropiated. The history is a bit more complicated, firstly to no one's surprise Eagles in heraldry predate the Romans, and we know they were also used in the Bronze Age. Secondly there's a very long chain from the Roman Eagle to the one that'd eventually be adopted by the German Empire, which finds it's origins in the Prussian flag without a direct link back to the Romans but was likely inspired. In general the legacy of the Romans just made eagles a very popular symbol in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa and of course much later the US. There is a fairly direct line from the Roman Eagle to the eagle used by the Holy Roman Empire but that would of course later evolved into the double headed Habsburg Eagle, which also takes inspiration from the Eastern Roman double headed eagle. > The Swastika is in fact an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol, which is still widely used in Asia. ¨ Not quite, that symbol, known as the Sun symbol or Sun Cross is stood up straight and not at the 45 degree angle the Swastika is at. The Swastika however was an old pagan symbol in Europe that saw something of a revival in the 19th and 20th century due to the renewed interest in the pagan pre-history of Europe. It became very popular so before the rise of the Nazis you'd find it all over the place, Carlsberg even used it for a while and you can still see it on the Carlsberg Glyptotek in Copenhagen. The Nazis of course adopted it because they loved associating themselves with an imagined mythological past and after they started gaining international renown the symbol slowly became less popular and was dropped by everyone else. > The Iron Cross, is another Prussian symbol / medal. The Iron Cross predates Prussia by centuries, and well it is literally just a black cross, of course it'd be popular in medieval Christian Europe, you find tons of crosses there for some reason. It is most commonly associated with the Teutonic Order, which through a very complicated chain of events ended up giving rise to the Prussian state but you can find it being used by tons of different people. Kinda similar to the Danish flag, which is also just a cross so you can also find many different people using it before it became associated with Denmark, though it likely originated in the heraldic shield of Hamburg. > The SS-rune symbol, is an ancient Germanic/ Nordic symbol for the sun. I don't know if you're talking about the SS lightning rune, which is a rune that symbolized lightning, or the Black Sun which they also used as a symbol. The Black Sun actually originates during the renaissance as the floor mosaic some guy had in his castle, about 400 years later this castle would become the HQ of the SS who mistakenly assumed it had some sort of ancient origin but there are no records of it predating this specific floor mosaic. This is very long but your main point is correct, the Nazis did generally just steal bits of pop culture that other people had come up with or popularized. Culturally they were pretty bankrupt and this is often reflected in the media they produced, which apart from being extremely racist is usually just kinda shit.
Maybe someone ,somewhere thought...I know let's do something by torchlight, my favourite was watching people shining torches under their chin and trying to sound scary...
one of the most cathartic things in a video game i've ever experienced is getting to break up a kkk cross burning multiple times in Red Dead Redemption 2. you can get real creative with how you break up the burning, including feeding the kkk members to alligators hahaha
Still barbaric, the idea of mass burnings of books. Yes, even when said books are the Fifty Shades trilogy, the Left Behind series, and Frank Miller's Holy Terror.
The contemporary “purity” and “culture” presentation is correct but you have to see a wild flame in general as the ancient view of Man’s divine sovereignty (over God). “We are gods”. See Tricolour Flame and related political parties and events. Also Sovereigntism and its proponents, obviously.
I remember in middle school, we were studying the triple K (get around youtube censor just in case). they interviewed a group, and said we do not burn the cross, we lit it. I don't remember the exact meaning that he said.
German's have such great presentation and style, i'm glad they were able to keep their historical traditions after The Third Reich had put a bad taste in peoples mouths
I’m really not hateful so I wouldn’t fit in at a hate group. Not sure talking about hate would be productive anyways. Still if that’s what’s necessary to get to play with torches, I may just have to try it out???
I rather call in a pizza from pizza hut in a nice hotel room watching the jokers outside marching up and down the street like there soldiers from the ss armored guard units and just stay away from in general
Your welcome for my call at anytime they invited us down to watch the show i am like i will call in a pizza hut order and just stay in there instead just watching them from the hotel room
This may be one of those greater coincidences in life. The fires and torches used by the Nazis are more closely tied to classical German military parades/tradition which absolutely predate the Nazi regime. But for those lovely (sarcasm) Uber right wing neo Nazis and KKK in North America today, their usage of the torches stem most likely from the fact that the original KKK (formed post US Civil War), probably used torches and lanterns as they harassed and murdered freed former slaves mostly in the middle of the night. Though, I wonder now, I feel like I’ve seen more Hollywood movies of Nazis using fire in such a way. Would it be possible that Neo Nazis and KKK today are informed by such movie depictions? Could be a stretch
I'm sure you're aware of this, but just be careful using "hate" terms Words like "hate group" and "hate speech" and "hate crime" were specifically engineered to be vauge enough into definition so that can be applied to nearly any opposition They are modern words that soley serve political agendas
Oh what horror that a term might have a political meaning! We need to quickly censor all words that have the slightest political implication to escape those dastardly agendas!
@@fiskersproductions any books by Jewish authors or concerned with Jewish subjects, pacifist literature (eg. such as all quite on the Western Front) all books by Marx, Engels, Lenin and other Socialists, and books on Sexuality and gender. On that last point the Weimar Republic was well known for being quite ahead of it's time on that topic, with the German institute for sexual research producing some of the first scientific books on Sexuality, particularly on homosexuality and transgenderism. all of this research was burned when the Nazis came to power and most of the researchers died in the concentration camps.
@@bobflemming100 so your addmitting that you support Nazism and exterminating people. I'm sure your grandfathers woud be so proud to know that their decentent loves book burning and wishes the allies lost the war....
it looks cool and you can use it to destroy stuff. whatever you think about these guys ideology, you cant deny that they really knew how to work the aesthetics
All Germans can line up to complain about my pronunciation here:
The urge is strong but no you did it great! ^^
ure doing great m8
Das hast du gut gemacht. Wie immer sehr informativ und unterhaltsam. Danke schön
I forgive you edit: you did fine actually
We are bickering about pronounciation with each other (because accents and such), so.....
No reason not to include you into this mess.
One thing I think it is very important to point out is how fire has been a a big part of German culture in general, not just military culture. For instance, one of the most well known traditions for Germans all around the world is “Laternenlaufen” or runing with lanterns, in which kindergartners and other young folk march at night with lanterns while singing traditional songs.
Yup, did that as well when I was in kindergarten. I can actually still recall some of the songs from back then.
Also the Wintersonnenwende around Christmas and the Maifeuer. Seems we are pagans after all.
German-speaking South Tyrol also has a tradition started by Andreas Hofer in the 19th century called Herz Jesu (heart of Jesus). Large cross-shaped piles of wood are set ablaze on mountains to show the region's affinity to Christ.
Can't have a riot without cotton candy
only reason why most people show up
I find it interesting to note, that ibn fadlan, in his book/journal of traveling through northern Europe entitled "the land of darkness", mentions encountering the Kievan Rus, Slavic peoples with strong germanic/norse origins, and repeatedly labels them as "fire worshippers". An even earlier attest to the German's affinity for fire is given by Tacitus, who describes them as using it for a sort of divination of the future.
Another awesome video, Johnny!
Thank you! And excellent additional info here 👍
At the time Slavic peoples would have the fireplace at the center of the house. That's why it is also called the hart.
Aryan race used torches for thousands of years
I recommend reading his accounts because he's honestly kinda relatable to a modern audience so his reactions make a lot of sense and makes you feel like you're really there since you'd react in a similar way. He came from the cosmopolitan Middle East and was used to Baghdad, which was one of the largest and richest cities in the world and certainly a very comfortable place to live in that period so he usually is just as uncomfortable and disgusted as a modern person would be by a lot of this stuff. For example he often comments on the lack of hygiene and you can really hear it in the writing that he's almost about to throw up, which is relatable and also kinda funny.
"Fire worshipper" was a generic Islamic term for pagan, originating from Zoroastrianism which incorporated a lot fire in worship. Not denying that fire played significant ritual roles in Slavic, Nordic, Baltic etc. paganism but I don't really know much about that.
Great video, I'm glad to see you branching out to cover broader historical topics. Keep up the good work.
In 1950's South Africa, the Torch Commando was a liberal politically organized protest movement opposed to the introduction of the apartheid system. Sailor Malan, flying ace in the RAF during WW2, was the president of the group who held torchlight marches at night.
Growing up in Colorado there would often be an evening torch light ski parade, single file skiers snaking down an easy slope holding torches. They happened during holidays or special occasions. It made for a pretty cool spectacle if the weather cooperated. I’m wondering if the concept was brought over by the many European ski instructors, patrolmen etc. that immigrated to the Rockies in the early to mid 20th century.
There are two aspects of fire that get routinely ignored, Johnny. One: Fire is a living thing. It needs oxygen and fuel, just like us. Under control, fire is a useful friend: OUT of control, it's a deadly killer.
Secondly, fire purifies. Fire is used to refine metals. In the Movies, fire was used to "burn out the cell" of lepers after they were ejected (Ben Hur and Man in the Iron Mask); fire was used on plague-stricken towns and villages. No wonder race-conscious dictators and other goons like fire.
Yes as the invaders of Ukraine have discovered...careful with that axe ,Eugene ( Pink Floyd)
It's funny how modern day nazi and kkk members use tikki torches now lol . They are so pathetic and embarrassing why can't they just grow up and love one another.
They all need to realize we as people are all just walking each other home and it should be done with kindness, understanding and love.
Fire is just cool. Just like black uniforms, arm band etc. Its that simple. They just did it because it was cool and looking cool is the best way to recruit more people or spread a message.
Yes, without fire pyromaniacs would just be maniacs
In the movie Marlow (2023) in the endis a fake book burning scene at the 1939 MGM Hollywood lot seen.
There was meaning to it all. A short overview:
- Swastika reference to the sacred 7 (Ursa Major) which once formed the Trident of Atlantis prior to axial tilt. Aryans adopted the symbol and expanded it across Eurasia, Phoenicians adopted it and expanded it across Americas and Oceania. Germans are of Aryan descent.
- Sonnenrad, referred to as the Black Sun being Saturn, the second sun. Saturn is central to Aryan Blood Theism. The oldest depiction goes back 3,000 years, found in the steppe where the Scythians once roamed. The Black refers to the primordial substance which makes up the foundation from which all existence is built up- Dark Matter
- SS is Runic derived from the Bolts of the Black Sun, which refers to the Zodiac. Specifically, the Zodiac of Pisces which we are transitioning out of, and the Zodiac of Aquarius which we are transitioning into. The “Thousand Year Reich” being the Herald of the Change. Reich being Realm that is Midgard (Outer Earth) established on behalf of the Rigdens of Shambhala who hold Dominion over Agartha/Asgard (Inner Earth) with whom Hitler was communicating with via the Dalai Lama in Tibet and the Germans of ‘New Berlin’ which refers to the 6 Kingdoms of Saxony established *beneath* Argentina, Chile, and Brazil in the 1600’s and is why the Germans flocked to South America after the war.”
- The black color refers to the primordial darkness and is esoteric reference of Dark to Light which in this case means From the Darkness of the Weimar Republic comes the Light of the Third Reich heralded by the German SS.
- German SS was a combination of occult guilds/secret societies into a Jesuit structure and turned into a paramilitary group acting as the security agency for the party (NSDAP). Examples include the Nordic Thule Society who popularized the search for Atlantis, as well as the ancient Buddhist Order of the Green Dragon which had high profile members from Hitler to Tzar Nicholas, to Emperor Hirohito and more.
- Many members of the SS including Hitler and Himmler were Buddhist. This goes back to the late 1800’s when a German translation of the Mahavamsa- chronical of Sri Lanka- was made, leading to a rise in popularity for Buddhism which ultimately made its way into the question relating to the German Ideal and then became the German Ideal. The Germans would later revitalize Buddhism in Sri Lanka to combat British Christian oppression, and Hitler patroned the creation of multiple temples in Austria-Germany which he attended daily for mediations.
- Declassified KGB files show that many German SS officers in Buddhist Regalia were found alongside Buddhists monks having committed seppuku when Berlin was sacked.
- Contrary to what the Hindu will say, Buddhism is in actuality a derivative of Mithraism. Mithraism is an ancient Aryan ideology which many of the mysteries detailed in masonry is derived from. The Mithraic influence is depicted in the Skull and Bones in the SS uniform. Other forms of Mithraism can be seen with the color Red, often linked to hats, from the Red turbans of the Marathas in India, to the Red Turban Rebellion in China, to the Red hats of MAGA in America. It is in 12/25 Christmas Day whom the birth of Mithras is celebrated, later rebranded [a] Jesus Christ by the Romans.
- Fire is central to Aryan derived practices which continued via the Vedic Aryans in the Indus Valley which continues on via the Zoroastrian Fire Temples. The Germans connection to fire is derived from their Aryan ancestry.
There’s tons more symbolism, but what I detailed is the core.
For a long time I thought that the 2 empires predating the Third Reich were: ancient Rome and Holy Roman Empire, but then I learned it's actually the Holy Roman Empire and the later, lesser known German Empire (from 1871 to 1918).
dire consequence of systemic history book doctrine
Tacitus had it right ,paraphrasing a Celtic Chieftain in Caledonia/ before Scotland ....the Romans create a desert and call it peace....😮...
yeah..ww1 and Kaiser (i.e. of an Empire) Wilhelm totally unknown to the rest of the world...
@@oddballsokI think you just proved how unkown it is for everyone who didn't know it was Wilhelm during WW1
Torchlight parades are associated with the Vikings too. Up Helly Aa, which takes place in Lerwick, Shetland, on the last Tuesday in January every year. Up Helly Aa day involves a series of marches and visitations, culminating in a torch-lit procession and the burning of a Viking galley.
Great subject to cover, reminded me of the Shetland tradition "Up Helly Aa" Each festival involves a torchlit procession by squads of costumed participants (known as guizers) that culminates in the burning of an imitation Viking galley.
Ahhhh, Viking Madi Gras....
Gotta love traditions which are just based on having hated someone so much in the past that you kept it up until the modern day. Half of Danish traditions stem from some attempt to piss off the Germans, or sometimes the Swedish.
Thank you for this video. Indeed it is used by our military for the großer zapfenstreich.
But also by our centuries old tradition of schützenfest (marksmen festival).
A tradition that is present in the biggest of cities to the smallest of villages.
The schützen (marksmen) hold a großer zapfenstreich with torches as well.
I hope that at some point the marching with torches (and other german traditions like goose step/ exerzierschritt) will no longer be associated with the third reich and nazi ideology.
Thank you for informing people 🙂
As a kid, on the last school day of the year, we'd do a torch march to the local church for Christmas Mass.
ANTIFA does the same thing......
Okay my 3 song picks for my german honorary torchlight parade are:
1. Preussens Gloria
2. Darude - sandstorm
3. Verdi - la traviata
You should replace Preussens Gloria with some German techno, it's such a shame to have such a vital part of the European techno scene unrepresented. Perhaps you could go with a techno-remix of it.
I have a Russian capture K98 from 1934, before they stated putting the eagle clinching a swastika on the gun. It only had the Reichsadler on, and the Russians left it.
On later date Russian capture guns, they pinged all the swastikas off and sometimes the eagle with it..
But I always found it interesting that the Russians knew the difference between the Reichsadler and the later nazi version..
Thank you for the history lesson, Johnny, you connected the dots quite beautifully. I just hope YT doesn't bury it simply for the repeated use of the other "N word." FWIW, I believe it needs to be done, we can't evade history by ignoring it.
I believe it needs to be discussed. I'm old now, I've seen more and learned more, so I realize more easily how some types of pageantry can be manipulated. When I was young, though, I simply rolled with too many things in the moment. Harmless stuff, but it could easily have been turned and misused.
When I was in my early 20s a mob assembled in my hometown to protest about a black family moving into the neighborhood. It seemed disorganized, simply a gathering loud people, some bearing almost comically illiterate signs, milling about in the area. As dusk approached a cadre of men worked their way through the crowd passing out tiki torches. They meant to unify the crowd, to make them feel special as well as feel a connection with the 1951 Cicero rioters.
We got lucky. Older folks, WWII and Korean War veterans and some people who had been around for the big riot, saw what was happening and with the help of the police stepped in before the torches were lit. They basically shamed the protestors into dispersing. The police took the torches away.
Protests are one thing; mobs can too quickly get out of hand.
Apologies for being long winded. Your video just struck a chord for this Cicero boy.
These are the sort of very personal and relevant stories that ground history. I thank you for it. These sort of things do happen and can happen. Glad those veterans had some good perspective on the matter.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq My adjacent neighbor fought in WWII Europe and was a cop during the 1951 riots; he was mentioned by name (Lester Connerty) in _The Camille deRose Story,_ a vanity press book now available on Kindle about the 1951 riot.
He rarely told "war stories" to us kids, but he shared lessons instead. He made us THINK instead of blindly accepting what we heard or were taught. He volunteered when he was old enough because he wanted to save the world. He passed along what he had learned to the kids who overran his block.
He helped us all to look at the big picture. He let us all know that it's easier to follow the crowd than it is to think.
I believe you neatly nailed it, Johnny.
A very thought provoking tale...we could have dome with him in Ulster, when things kicked off....again...reminds me of the fire triangle...makes me glad I,m a confirmed nerd..😊😊
Thank you JJ for another excellent video. I have always wondered why a Scottish gathering of the clans and in particular the parade of pipes and drums was called a tattoo.
The only torches I've ever used are oxy-acetylene, and they're a lot of fun.🔥🔥🔥
You spoke about the olympic torch. Here's a neat little tidbit. The five rings were never a part of the olympics until it was carved into stone at an archaeological site by the nazis in Greece.
cool if true
@@davidsquall351 It's not, the flag with five rings were used in 1914 during the Pan-Egyptian games. Though it's probably not of ancient greek origin.
i think most people on some level have a fascination with fire because it's very powerful and in the dark the shifting light and shadow have almost a reality bending effect where what IS becomes flexible and the mind also becomes flexible. i think this is why all over the world you can find firelight storytelling traditions, it puts the mind in a malleable state where you can imagine easier.
I initially thought that this wasn't a real ritual but rather a way to show who the villain was.
This might be the first time you used SpongeBob in footage during your videos.
I loved the scene in Indiana Jones. I could see how people would get caught up in it all it was quite a sight to behold.
I've been to torch parades in Sweden in remembrance of the Kristallnacht on the 9th of November, held by the local socialist and social-democratic parties (and possibly other parties), the former state church and various youth organisations. People organising to carry torches in a solemn procession happens occasionally after tragedies here.
I think in general in the modern day live fires of any kind are seen as a sign of remembrance or something solemn, I guess it's because we don't use them for practical purpose and the fact that they're not as bright as electric lights make them feel intimate and solemn. In Denmark it's common to light candles in your window on the night of the 4th of May to commemorate the liberation for example.
Nazis are so weird smh, just a big group of quiet kids.
Interesting! Thanks for explaining Johnny❤🇨🇦
I’m glad the German’s still keep some of the traditions, it’s like a refusal to allow the Nazis to appropriate these German traditions that predate the Nazis
Where is the footage at 2:30 from
You're forgetting a nice scene! In "The Book Thief" from 2013, the Sturmabteilung and NSDAP torchbearers come to a square to set fire to some left-wing literature.
Dang I totally forget that one!
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqshh....don't tell John Lennon ...mind you comparisons with diets is nothing new...😅😅😅
Typo...deitys....diets... ever believed in them....😅😅😅
Michael Sheard the actor who played Hitler in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade also played Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back
Great info! Thanks!
Would think the Germans would want to move away from steelhelms and grey colours. Just looks really odd to me seeing them dressed up as basically ww2 soldiers.
0:23 thx I watched this movie when the language on the cable tv was set to Russian and I wasn’t able to translate the name, and now I know exactly !
I would like to specify that the Reichsadler used by the Nazis and the modern Bundesadler look different from one another.
The one in the Bundestag is honestly kinda cute.
the olympic flame is also an ode to the theft of fire by Prometheus.
My sergeant major didn't do that at all. When lights out means lights out unless you want to hear the little girl laughing
The scene in Django aren't KKK they're just a mob, the movie is set in 1858 before the Civil war and before the KKK were formed
The former minister of defence, Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg (yes that's his full name), had chosen "smoke on the water" as his "Zapfenstreich"-Song. That was wierd.
I am without words...😅😅😅
“Turn of the taps” is this where the bugle call ‘Taps’ comes from?
In Australia we call a flashlight … a torch 🔦
thanks for telling me!
Google which books they burned
It was good Theatre that created imagery that inspired a feeling of awe in the participants and those watching.
If you think about it, most of the symbols, "traditions" etc. associated with the Nazis, were just ripped-off by them from older military cultures/ empires etc.
The "Heil Hitler"-salute is literally the ancient Roman "Ave, Caesar/Imperator!" salute.
The "Reichsadler" is the ancient Roman Imperial Eagle, which pretty much every major European empire and even the US appropiated.
The Swastika is in fact an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol, which is still widely used in Asia.
The "SS Totenkopf" skull, is ripped off from the Prussian elite cavalry.
The Iron Cross, is another Prussian symbol / medal.
The SS-rune symbol, is an ancient Germanic/ Nordic symbol for the sun.
And so on....
> The "Heil Hitler"-salute is literally the ancient Roman "Ave, Caesar/Imperator!" salute.
Not actually true, it's from a painting from the romantic period where some roman soldiers (depicted in the wrong armor) are saluting Caesar. In the painting they aren't even holding their arms at the 45 degree angle known from the Nazi salute, they're holding them pretty flat since they're actually just in the motion to lay down their swords. From there this salute mistakenly spread as the "Roman Salute" and became fairly popular because of the association until the Nazis sorta stole it from everyone else. From actual historical records the salute Romans actually used was the classic one you see in movies where they hold their hand up flat next to their head.
> The "Reichsadler" is the ancient Roman Imperial Eagle, which pretty much every major European empire and even the US appropiated.
The history is a bit more complicated, firstly to no one's surprise Eagles in heraldry predate the Romans, and we know they were also used in the Bronze Age. Secondly there's a very long chain from the Roman Eagle to the one that'd eventually be adopted by the German Empire, which finds it's origins in the Prussian flag without a direct link back to the Romans but was likely inspired. In general the legacy of the Romans just made eagles a very popular symbol in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa and of course much later the US. There is a fairly direct line from the Roman Eagle to the eagle used by the Holy Roman Empire but that would of course later evolved into the double headed Habsburg Eagle, which also takes inspiration from the Eastern Roman double headed eagle.
> The Swastika is in fact an ancient Hindu/Buddhist religious symbol, which is still widely used in Asia. ¨
Not quite, that symbol, known as the Sun symbol or Sun Cross is stood up straight and not at the 45 degree angle the Swastika is at. The Swastika however was an old pagan symbol in Europe that saw something of a revival in the 19th and 20th century due to the renewed interest in the pagan pre-history of Europe. It became very popular so before the rise of the Nazis you'd find it all over the place, Carlsberg even used it for a while and you can still see it on the Carlsberg Glyptotek in Copenhagen. The Nazis of course adopted it because they loved associating themselves with an imagined mythological past and after they started gaining international renown the symbol slowly became less popular and was dropped by everyone else.
> The Iron Cross, is another Prussian symbol / medal.
The Iron Cross predates Prussia by centuries, and well it is literally just a black cross, of course it'd be popular in medieval Christian Europe, you find tons of crosses there for some reason. It is most commonly associated with the Teutonic Order, which through a very complicated chain of events ended up giving rise to the Prussian state but you can find it being used by tons of different people. Kinda similar to the Danish flag, which is also just a cross so you can also find many different people using it before it became associated with Denmark, though it likely originated in the heraldic shield of Hamburg.
> The SS-rune symbol, is an ancient Germanic/ Nordic symbol for the sun.
I don't know if you're talking about the SS lightning rune, which is a rune that symbolized lightning, or the Black Sun which they also used as a symbol. The Black Sun actually originates during the renaissance as the floor mosaic some guy had in his castle, about 400 years later this castle would become the HQ of the SS who mistakenly assumed it had some sort of ancient origin but there are no records of it predating this specific floor mosaic.
This is very long but your main point is correct, the Nazis did generally just steal bits of pop culture that other people had come up with or popularized. Culturally they were pretty bankrupt and this is often reflected in the media they produced, which apart from being extremely racist is usually just kinda shit.
Maybe someone ,somewhere thought...I know let's do something by torchlight, my favourite was watching people shining torches under their chin and trying to sound scary...
Can you imagine people burning books today 😬
Remember seeing torchlight Parades by the Fire brigades in Victoria years ago
spongebob , lol nice message at the end ,i learned new things with this vid , thanks
Really interesting
one of the most cathartic things in a video game i've ever experienced is getting to break up a kkk cross burning multiple times in Red Dead Redemption 2. you can get real creative with how you break up the burning, including feeding the kkk members to alligators hahaha
Good one! Thank you...
Huge respect to the Germans who won't let the Nazis have a stranglehold on their country's history and iconography.
Still barbaric, the idea of mass burnings of books. Yes, even when said books are the Fifty Shades trilogy, the Left Behind series, and Frank Miller's Holy Terror.
i want to be german for some reason looks very cool
Could you go over the history of the bayonet.
well we germans like fire
what’s so hard to get about fire?
2:00 eine Träne geht auf Reise 🥲
I always wondered why the royal military tattoo got its name
Thank you 😊
Because fire is badass just like germans
Why? *Ceremonial Magic,* - which is something Authoritarian Regimes tend to be deep into, among others.
Great video. But you butchered zapfenstreich, painfully 😂
No doubt about that
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqcongratulations...halfway to being a scouser....😅😅😅
The contemporary “purity” and “culture” presentation is correct but you have to see a wild flame in general as the ancient view of Man’s divine sovereignty (over God). “We are gods”. See Tricolour Flame and related political parties and events. Also Sovereigntism and its proponents, obviously.
I smoke about 3 or 4 cigarettes a day now... only for tradition.
ive played Company of Heroes so guessing... its scorched earth tactics?
I remember in middle school, we were studying the triple K (get around youtube censor just in case). they interviewed a group, and said we do not burn the cross, we lit it. I don't remember the exact meaning that he said.
The triple K was founded by the Demoncratic Party. Weird actually. And by the way, many members and the founder were Freemasons.
Makes sense, ya light candles on fire instead of "burning candles" right ? (Not a native speaker but I think that's the expression).
Not sure it's the right niche but if anyone's interested in the Indo-European sacred fire I hotly recommend Schwerpunk'ts religious history videos
German's have such great presentation and style, i'm glad they were able to keep their historical traditions after The Third Reich had put a bad taste in peoples mouths
I’m really not hateful so I wouldn’t fit in at a hate group. Not sure talking about hate would be productive anyways. Still if that’s what’s necessary to get to play with torches, I may just have to try it out???
lol just go to a lantern festival maybe...
A light switch at Clabby Towers does the trick...then all is revealed....😅😅😅
@@eamonnclabby7067 ok you lost me? I’m on my 3rd strong IPA. I don’t have the energy to look up what your referencing?
Can’t have a riot without cotton candy!!
Haha. You refrained from mentioning Merkel's song requests. But an informative video as always...
The fire thing is cool and looks good in NAZI selfies
The thumbnail 🤣🤣
Interesting deep dive. Good to see how extreme ideologies corrupt things.
they're firebenders johnny duh 🙄
I rather call in a pizza from pizza hut in a nice hotel room watching the jokers outside marching up and down the street like there soldiers from the ss armored guard units and just stay away from in general
I second that.
Your welcome for my call at anytime they invited us down to watch the show i am like i will call in a pizza hut order and just stay in there instead just watching them from the hotel room
Without fire, pyromaniacs would just be maniacs
This may be one of those greater coincidences in life. The fires and torches used by the Nazis are more closely tied to classical German military parades/tradition which absolutely predate the Nazi regime. But for those lovely (sarcasm) Uber right wing neo Nazis and KKK in North America today, their usage of the torches stem most likely from the fact that the original KKK (formed post US Civil War), probably used torches and lanterns as they harassed and murdered freed former slaves mostly in the middle of the night.
Though, I wonder now, I feel like I’ve seen more Hollywood movies of Nazis using fire in such a way. Would it be possible that Neo Nazis and KKK today are informed by such movie depictions? Could be a stretch
Germany is cold that’s why they burn stuff
Imma just say it before watching the video. Because the nazis knew a thing or two about style
Live footage from Florida.
Flamme Empor
I take the cotton candy
I don't know, but you could ask Biden. One of his speeches looked just like this.
I'm sure you're aware of this, but just be careful using "hate" terms
Words like "hate group" and "hate speech" and "hate crime" were specifically engineered to be vauge enough into definition so that can be applied to nearly any opposition
They are modern words that soley serve political agendas
lol Sure thing, "John"
Oh what horror that a term might have a political meaning! We need to quickly censor all words that have the slightest political implication to escape those dastardly agendas!
They always tell you that they burned books. They never tell you which books were burned.
What books did they burn?
@@fiskersproductions any books by Jewish authors or concerned with Jewish subjects, pacifist literature (eg. such as all quite on the Western Front) all books by Marx, Engels, Lenin and other Socialists, and books on Sexuality and gender.
On that last point the Weimar Republic was well known for being quite ahead of it's time on that topic, with the German institute for sexual research producing some of the first scientific books on Sexuality, particularly on homosexuality and transgenderism. all of this research was burned when the Nazis came to power and most of the researchers died in the concentration camps.
Stuff similar to tran e propaganda they are pushing on children through their mothers media addiction.@@fiskersproductions
@@augustwolf_2256 it’s good that they torched the books on sexual degeneracy and transgenderism
@@bobflemming100 so your addmitting that you support Nazism and exterminating people. I'm sure your grandfathers woud be so proud to know that their decentent loves book burning and wishes the allies lost the war....
Their party is lit, that's why
😂!!!!
Based Germans
They’re arsonists
Hot boy
You had me worried for 4 minutes was afraid it was gonna be a Trump/DeSantis rally. Your pronunciation is excellent BTW. Zehr schoen!
Sick of you yanks going on about these actors.
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it looks cool and you can use it to destroy stuff. whatever you think about these guys ideology, you cant deny that they really knew how to work the aesthetics
Go to any republican book burning today and you'll see the same thing
Really, and where are these alleged book burnings? It’s funny you think the democrats are any better.
What are you talking about?
The Republicans have book burnings? Since when?
@@bobflemming100 The fascist tendencies in the American Republican Party, hope this helps.
@@hedgehog3180 the Republican Party wouldn’t have the moral courage to burn Frankfurt institute degeneracy.
Maybe the Germans should ditch the helmets
How are they doing to protect their heads then?
no
Helmet is an important part of that process.
Maybe you should ditch life
maybe they should ditch their borders als- ohhhhh
I suspect hate group is like the phrase critical thinking. Nobody actually knows what they mean by it. Killer phrases with no rational meaning.
Catalanist nazis also did this kind of parades.