How to Trade F&o if Lot Sizes Go Up | Vijay Bhambwani
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- With a recommendation committee of SEBI proposing a steep hike in market lots of F&o lot sizes, traders are likely to face new challenges. This video is carefully prepared to offer real world solutions to traders to continue business as usual.
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13:20 Challenge For Investors
16:26 Challenge For Traders
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Idea is to help Fiis and big players and keep retailers out of market.
Thanks for your feedback. Lets await the final verdict please. This is just a proposal only.
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This is too much if SEBI is going to implement..totally draconian and partial..this is not to save retailers..but to throw them out of the market entirely..highly devious.But the effects will go both ways for sure.
Thanks for your feedback. Its just a proposal right now. Lets wait for the final verdict please. Keeping fingers crossed.
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Lot size should come down so that people will buy in CASH and hedge through F&O. Include more number of stovks in F&O category so people who are taking heavy positions in CASH can hedge their portfolio
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Your quality of content is far beyond what I've seen in any of the other Indian Trader / Investor RUclipsrs so much that I had to Subscribe. Thanks for this!
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By far the best video from an Indian trader.. no nonsene..no drama.. just pure knowledge..Keep it going !
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My biggest concern is volume drying up. Volumes are already not enough on indices aside from banknifty and nifty
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Sir simple solution is stoploss for intraday and hedge position compulsory for carryforward trade in fno segment and it will protct retail traders if that is the intent of sebi.Atleast retailers be allowed to trade in index with mandatory 2 percent stoploss.
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Pura jhol hai...ab liquidity manage nhi ho rhi to ab krne chale retailers ko save krne k nam pe....kyuki retailers ab paisa bna rhe sikh k to inko dard ho rha
Exactly.
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I suspect many small F&O day traders may shift to cash market for day trading. While this will reduce volatility in the F&O market, since transaction cost in cash market will be higher, the profit expectation will go up, supports and resistances will become more strong and there will be fewer breakouts and breakdowns as compared to now. The "incremental" increase in day trading in cash market will be less than the "incremental" decrease in day trading in F&O market. Overall, there will be a sobering effect on the markets. People with more money power, like FII and DII, will rule the roost.
Thanks for your feedback. Please note the STT in cash spot segment is way higher than f&o. Your take home profits will fall even further.
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I somehow believe that these changes are being done by SEBI more to suit the big and institutional players rather than the retail traders. I doubt the story floated by SEBI saying that retailers are losing money and the changes are being done to protect retailers interests
Lets wait for the final verdict Ashwin. This is a proposal at this stage. Keeping fingers crossed
sir if this applies i want to know that 5L TO 20-30 L what does that actually mean..will cost increase ..or lot size increases
Thanks for your feedback. This means the lot size is proposed to be raised to ₹ 20-30 lacs from the present ₹ 5 lacs. Which means premium and margisn will go up between 4 - 6 times more.
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I bet SEBI will reverse these after sometime. Because it's the small fishes which the big fishes like institutes feed on.Once small fishes gone these big will starve and will beg SEBI to bring back the small fishes.!
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U are brilliant as
always. Eagerly look forward to your videos
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Thanks for this much needed video
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thanks for your guidance
very enlightening
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Thank you...very informative 👏
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How can everyone be in profit in markets..somebody has to gonna losse for somebody to earn..entire reasoning of sebi is foolish..capital markets should be free..this is not good for overall market health..rbi and sebi wants retails money in the banks so that they can give huge loans..past few years bank amounts seeing decline in savings account that is why all this fiasco
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Thanks for your very relevant content. After I started seeing your videos I have started making profits on my trades.
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I wonder if you have a video on screen reading. Or more importantly how does one read the screen by our eyes when it keeps changing so fast. It means I should use some software but that wld be costly and not possible for us. Am I missing somethng here?
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sir, very benignly explained..thanks
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Very useful and detailed video. Thank you so much🙏🙏
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Sir, i am totally new in the market a 24 year old individual student, with cap. Of 1L i want to learn trading basic concepts and not to earn hard and fast money, can you guide me with the roadmap to learn sufficient that i can be profitable in long term. Currently trading in BNF, Nifty with short strangle OTM prices based on the OpenInterest my daily targets are like 1% of the total capital, if somehow i can learn statical trading so that i can do directional trading on indicies
but i feel like i am lagging there's a lot i am missing that i must learn, indicator based trading/ courses is not for long term i feel like
Overall i May be wrong, by now, starting from april 2024, i made around 17K in last month, but lost in it a single day in midcap nifty and now i am back at breakeven
Thanks for your feedback. If the lot sizes ate raised the premia, span, ELM and peak margins will spike too. Then the capital of ₹ 1 will fall short. I suggest we wait for the final verdict of the SEBI committee before formulating our capital outlay plans.
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Very helpful video. I watch your channel regularly both Telegram and RUclips
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Thank you so much sir
Great content
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What is the impact on option buying?
4x current premium if lot size is changed to 100
Thanks for your feedback. If lot size goes up by 4-6x then premium for buyers goes up similarly too.
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Then how much money do Option Buyers must need atleast to trade say in Bank Nifty
Thanks for your feedback. If lot size is increased by 5x then options buyers premia will rise by 5x also.
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Awesome sir❤
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Sir you are terrific. Thanx
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It will be more problem for small traders as they will not be able to sell options, they have to do only buy options with limited money they have. Also less revenues for exchanges and brokerages.
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V well researched and great content❤
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Like option selling whether we have to margin amount for option buying???
Sqy about 80k per lot ?
Even its 10rs premium?
No Arun, no margin is payable by the option buyers. If the lot size is increased, your options premium payable will go up though.
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@@VijayBhambwani thank u sir
It's really usefull
Hi sir I have one more doubt ??
Whether they will shrink option strike contracts?
Eg if nifty at 24000 they will not allow to trade plus or minus 500 points;; say about 23500 to 24500?
Second think is wkly one expiry for one exchange
It means sensex o e expiry
Other than that finnifty ,midcap ,etc
One by one wkly??
Arun the number of strikes will reduce. The SEBI communication was fairly clear on this. That will be tough for out of the money traders. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
What about option buyers they also need 20-30 lac to buy one lot in FNO?
Thanks for your feedback! The lot size will be ₹ 30 lacks for value (mkt cap). margin will be approx 16% of that figure for options and futures.
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I would like to request SEBI to make the market movement easy to predict, so that retail may not loss in the market, always profit,
SEBI wll b happy, retailer wll b happy , govt wll b happy
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Sorry mate.... It will never happen.... 😂😂😂
Simply stop intraday option trading using mobile apps and only allow web trading platform, 99.99% problem solved
Web trading platform kya h bhai
People will still use mobile chrome to use web.. What about that??
Nice sujjestion.
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Delivery based traders will increase and can play the law of averages with their capital. Stcg will apply w.r.t taxation flat rates rather than business/speculative income which appears to be the prime motive of sebi .
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Option buyers ke liye koi problem to nahi hogi na..?????
Thanks for your feedback.Option buyers will have to trade bigger lots after the lot sizes are raised. Premium will rise commensurately.
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Sir, what will be the impact of option selling in index like banknifty or Nifty ? With 1.5 lakhs capital , i can take 1 lot of straddle sell(both call sell and put sell) in BankNifty....should i need 6 lakhs to take 1 lot of straddle sell now ? can you clarify ?
Thanks for your comment. If the lot sizes are raised then your capital requirement will go up in the exact proportion of the lot size increase. Await the verdict since right now no regulation has been changed yet.
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@@VijayBhambwani thanks for the reply sir… this is not good for us …
Hi. In trading stock options, what happens to the trade if the options expires between the range on expiry? Suppose I create a strangle between Rs.400 and 500 and the stock expires at 440 at the end of the month, then I need to buy to close my trade. I may be closing on the day before market closes. But unlike index, since I m doing in real stock,I need to buy back what I sold, how my profitability will be calculated? Since premium becomes zero, I am in profit there like index, but I will be squaring of my position at 440( buying at 440 for both legs) . Whether the logic is same as index?
Thanks for your feedback Venutbe 5791. Since options are also physically settled in the present form, I prefer to square the trade a day before the expiry. The SEBI is considering raising margins closer to expiry so there will be issues with holding on.
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Great video
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your are really helpful i have liked to your vedio.
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sebi if really interested to curb volumes, it can easily do it by keeping 1 expiry of indexes , the whole volume is because of expiries daily, even by keeping expiry just on thurday for all indexes the volume will come down significantly, no need to increase the lot size
With this rule, what about the traders who made losses earlier but now learned and recovering their losses. How people will recover their losses? This government and SEBI both are Clueless and devastating.
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Thanks for the video, got to know of incidence on vertical and horizontal spreads , overall lower liquidity it seems. Learning screen reading art is more helpful but what about swing traders the position sizing is going to be affected by margin requirement and lot size. The development has no silver lining. Will the premium increase for monthly options overall? Under the garb of deterring retail traders they have only managed to further hurt them as institutions and banks have liquidity backdoor that does not exist for retailers.
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Kya stocks derivatives mein bhi lot size increase hoga sir?
Thanks for your feedback. Jee haan stocks futures and options mein bhi lot sizes badhdhenge
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❤ thank you
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Very good video. Lot of info and value. My only suggestion is to reduce the size of the future videos to max 15 min. If there is much to share, do part 1 and part 2.
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Sir I watch your videos inspite of the fact that they are very advanced for me. I would really appreciate it if you could kindly start a basic investor series for someone who is beginning trading some videos featuring screen reading, understanding tick list would really be a big help.
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@@VijayBhambwani You are kind and generous
Thanks
Sir which broker do you use?
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short stradles and strangles will perform better in the new scenario, also naked positions will become rare,
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Wonderful content always
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What will happen to Index F&O ? Hope the lot size of 5 lac to 20 lac won't affect it, provided if the margin requirement are increased from the present levels
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Horizontal and vertical Spread increase will be plugged through liquidity injected through market makers, don't see this as impact.
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Sir the video is very informative thanks you so much, if you could do a video on reading the screen on live market that will help a lot of traders like me who are just budding. Thank you ...
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Retail investors will shift to trading in nifty and banknifty ETFs.
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what is your saying for retailers,who trade with minimum capital.
20lakhs
Thanks for your feedback. If this proposal is implemented then your capital outlay will rise between 4-6 times. Lets await the final verdict please.
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Hi sir,
I have 5 yrs of works experience as a finance manager in an FMCG company and currently working at Motilal Oswal for the last 3 months as an equity advisor. So, if I write NISM RA exam and get certified will I be eligible to apply for sebi registered RA? And what is the process? It would be a great help if you can guide me.
Thanks for your feedback Vikas. Yes you can apply for RA certification online on SEBI's education website. The exam is 100% online and offline if you choose to visit your nearest SEBI office. You need to buy a textbook which is easily available online on almost all e-commerce websites for ₹ 250. Go for it.
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How much time do sebi need to implent such type of rules
Thanks for your feedback Aniket. The last time lot sizes were changed upwards drastically was in July 2015 when lot sizes rose from ₹ 2 lacs to ₹ 5 lacs. That time 3 months notice period was given so that near, mid and far month series expired before new lot sizes were brought in.
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if f & o needs more capital -knowledge is always precious - it is simple and easy to use strangles based on expiry and major movements in index and stocks than taking naked call -( correct me if im wrong) but scalpers will be effected,then if not wishing to trade in indian market - trade in different markets
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Sir i started doing option selling with 2 lakhs ...what will happen to it????
Thanks for your feedback. If the lot size is raised, I'm afraid your capital may fall short.
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Any changes in Future and options will have drastic affect in revenue and volume of Stock exchange
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Sebi should impose rules on FnO Like Trading accounts which are 5yrs+ old only should be allowed for FnO. so all the newbies influenced by Reels trader on social media will be out.
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Sir, thanks for your effort for giving us this useful video.
Btw, I have a suggestion for you. You can try out your chances for English dubbing of Indian movies. Your voice will go well with many good characters and would sound good on screen.
Thanks for your feedback Srenathr2521. Hahaha for the dubbing suggestion. I have no experience for this at all. Im better off in financial markets 😄
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An excellent video, as always on one of the most important topics, many thanks ! I expected you to cover EFFECTS ON OPTIONS VOLATILITY (Options IV Premia) on large Lot Sizes !! Once; trading frequency, trading volume to go crashing down, while horizontal and vertical spreads increasing....predicting IV would be interesting to know !!
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This is good. There is too much overcrowding in the f&o market and because of this money made by individuals is getting lower and lower of at all.Anyways large institutions are already crowding rhe spce and mking it impossible for retailers to make consistent money
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☝Best way- restrict number of options trade per day to 5.👍👍👍
Scalpers take 10-15 trades per day. And option trading isfor scalping
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Sir can you please tell kab ye meeting hogi and kab tak final rules pata chal jayega
Currently this is under consideration and discussion. SEBI will announce the outcome in the media. Keeping fingers crossed.
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This is going to create Unemployment for Brokers, RUclips influencer, coaching classes, moonlighters, all online app, Individual traders, second income or side income earners, Robot traders called as algo or high frequency traders, Those who provide recommendation. Low tax collection for govt.
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What is rhe impact on buying futures. ? Lot.size increased 5 times?
Means if you are a beginner trading with one lot, now you must buy atleast 4-5 lots
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How does this new F&Q regime impact an option buyer with a capital of 15 lakhs.
1.Lot size increase which is fine.
2.Lesser expiries a month which is ok because there is better delta ,gamma and lesser theta on non expiry days.s
3.Lesser eventful days as there will be lesser expiries
We evolve as better traders as we get better understanding of rules .
But then what happens to BSE Options & Futures .BSE wanted to compete with NSE and they came up with Sensex and Bankex F&O.
Let us wait and see.
The real problem is not going to arise from bigger lot size, which ofcourse will increase risk of 1 lot traders. The actual problem is going to come from abolishing strike prices. Now we have 24450 CE, 24400 CE and 24350 CE, but as per new suggestion, we will have only 24450 CE and 24350 CE, this will require bigger market moves to get into break even if a trade as gone against you, increasing the probability of losses of option buyers even higher.
Now comming to increase in lot size, this will directly impact option sellers with 5 lakh capital, as now he will need 20 lakhs to sell same contract, so now he will be pushed towards option buying.
With more buyers and institutional sellers, a percent Setup is designed to loot retail money as Indian market will be sideways in coming years due to coalition govt in center.
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Thanks for your feedback.
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Shared thx
Thanks a lot
Our regulators are greedy of generating revenues for the government. Smaller quantities enable more no of transactions hence more charges..I believe these recommendations are just rumours as the government revenue will come down with these changes.
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Hi sir,
I have an one doubt. When they implement these all rules. Anyone please tell me
Thanks for your feedback. Currently its at a proposal stage. There is not preset date for implementation.
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@@VijayBhambwani Thanks for replying sir.
Is there any chances to implement this rules on upcoming budget? And is it real 30% taxes for F&O?
Sanjay my guess is they will move in quickly. The foreign high frequency traders (HFT) desks who want to come to India will need all the inverse ETFs, credit default swaps and long-short funds in place before they bring in money. The lot sizes will be tweaked before that happens.
Whether its done in the budget or not, I have no clue.
@@VijayBhambwani Ok, thank you sir
What is no looser? No Gainer as well.
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I am still confused regarding the existing 5 lakhs per lot in the news???
Thanks for your feedback. Currently value of all the shares / index units in 1 futures lot is ₹ 5 lacs. So if the price of a share is ₹ 500 then lot size is 1,000 shares. It is being proposed to raise it to ₹ 20-30 lacs. Lets wait for the final verdict please.
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Sir I have forwarded to 12 of my friends only 3 have listening daily rest all says you videos are lengthy if it's possible to reduce the time 10-12 min. . It is our suggestion only. We understood more information will have time .tq God bless you sir.
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Sir, i think it will only beneficial for promoters, family trust,dii and fii.for wealth creation.they will form syndicate and manipulate the market.and suck the retailer's money. In this year many promoters has sold their stock and invested it on wealth creation not in expanding their company which could have created more job and development.they created shell company and family trust overseas.
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LOT SIZE BADHANE KE BAJAYE .OPTION ME KAM KARNE WALO KE LIYE AK FIX AMOUNT KI POSITION RAKHNA JARURI KAR DENA CHAHIYE MIN.20000 25000.VAISE BHI OPTION POSITION KO HADGE KARNE KE LIYE STRAT HUA THA
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Can u please explain what is F&O lot of 5 lacs?
Thanks for your feedback Srinivasan. It means the value of the traded securities in 1 f&o lot will total ₹ 5 lacs. For example if the price of the stock is ₹ 500 then lot size will be ₹ 1,000 shares. That is the current lot size. SEBI committee proposal is to raise it to ₹ 20-30 lacs. Final verdict is awaited.
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Sir muze lagta hain trader ke liye pension ka intezam sarkar ka karna chahiye..
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If SEBI replaces retailers... no prob they will find out other platforms... There are many... Lakhs of Rupeed is been collected as TX... The only thing is going to happen they will lose the Tax...
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Exactly and therefore I am unable to understand whom they actually want to protect?
No need for so many complications just need to ban tv channels to give calls on derivatives
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Just great
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If that is qualitative measure then it’s welcome move…taxing on f&o is not effective. One side you are coming with daily expiry & other side you are worried about retailers & increase in market volume due to speculation is not at all justified….
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The who can play with 10k can arrange 50k also ...
Now Govt want more losers with huge capital
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TQ
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The intentions are good, i dont think the actions are good enough
From SEBI
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All the learned traders with small capital should shift to commodities trading / it is the only alternative as of now ;
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Over all it will lead to increase in premium. Better for Option Writers will less volatility.
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brokers and exchanges are also going to lose big time
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Sir give example on board with hypothetical priemium fr option buying n fr option selling
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Boycott Indian market and switch in forex🎉
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Sir, your videos inspire a lot to study more about the markets. Can you present how to profit from commodity trading in India ?
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Reddit wala scene kare kya?? Sab retailer ek ho jao maza ayega
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This ll suck liquidity from market as well as tax....Dabba trading ll increase.....
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Ye sab nahi hone wala mujhe lagta hain.. Retailer nahi raha to broking house...kamayega kaisa... Intraday se hi volume banta hain.. Swing .. Long term se..
Weekly expiry per index sahi hain.. Good suggestion
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Do show live trading and help everyone ..sebi say no one make profit in stock trading whats the use of making this video...
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Worst would be long options. Volumes will dry even further
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Its better to shift to crude oil
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Oil and gas are called "widow makers" in commodity markets for a reason. They should be traded carefully
When small traders would be out of the FNO market . Your viewership in RUclips also would drastically come down. Brokerage houses also would see many accounts withdrawals sebi would be happy with much much less volumes. Seasoned traders institutions and newly born crorepatis in sharemarket would have no change. I used to watch cnbc etc and followed you there many years back. Why would we share your videos then ? Lacs of people would lose interest in trading as there is no space for small fish section any more.
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4X increase is OK
Both for buying and Selling
Just every day expiries has to stop.
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