I put up an 8x10 a few weeks ago with a top shade. I anchored it to my patio with two anchors on each post. I also cut the height of the 4 posts to 7 feet....get more shade. Only wiggles if I push on a top corner. They should make a combination size, where you can use 6x6 on the corners and 4x4s on the top.
Slats? Do you mean holes in fabric? I suspect that would cause more problems but I don't know. Harsh Canadian summer ... last week was hail, then flooding rain, then a tornado that took out a neighborhood, but at least we don't have AZ heat.
@@williammorales8204 Ah. In that case, probably not. The wiggle for my system comes from the uprights (not so much the top). Maybe some extra weight on top might help slightly, but probably not worth the cost of lumber/effort.
Harsh Canadian summer is the exact same as winter in AZ 😆 Was in PHX all winter...it was warmer in January in PHX than its been here this spring 😆 counting the weeks to mid October so I can get warm in AZ
Thanks for the review. The one question I can't find an answer to: do the sails only come in limited standard sizes? Or will Toja Grid make them to suit custom dimensions?
Thanks for the video! I’m looking at getting the 10x12 with 4x4 posts but I get a lot of wind. I’ll be taking the sail off when I’m not there, is it easy to put on and off? Also, would I be better with 6x6 posts? I’m using brown treated.
I'd do 6x6 next time, just to help with wiggle issue. It is not super difficult to take off, but I'd get annoyed doing it after the first dozen times or so. The issue is with the clips. They do not stay tight. So you'll want to tie the ends (after clipping them). Which makes removal a total pain in the butt each time.
I just put up a 6x6 post one w 8’ x 12’ sail. It’s 2x the volume of Wood vs a 4x4 and is super sturdy…and heavy! I cut the vertical posts to 7 ‘ which makes it simpler to remove sail (which you should do if not in use) as easier to reach buckles. You can also add a few more bolts or screws at each bracket to get rid of any wiggle. Works great; solid as a rock.
@@TheGarage656 it’s now been a few weeks; a couple of points to consider. A reminder that a 6’x6’ 12x8 structure (and I put brackets on all 4 corners so it’s a cube I can -in theory- move about my deck) is really heavy; it’s a 4 person job to put together particularly if you have bottom 3 way brackets. The sail is OK, but it’s not super heavy material; next summer I will likely build a wood slat system or retractable awning system for shade. That’s the other benefit of 6x6 framing; you can custom build top shade, side lattices and any daybed or bench system you can imagine. It’s a strong and sturdy enough frame to add to easily.
Those would make a huge difference. No question. But they would block your view. If I was going to use them, I'd likely just not buy this kit and just go all wood (plus the fabric shade).
It's not it really a review on toja grid. It is really on the wood and if it rots. If you are going to span over 12 ft, which I think what was said. I would go with the 6 x 6 versus 4 x 4. Also, I would not use the screws that come with the kit. I would use the HeadLOK 3 1/2 " of 4 1/2" system screws which uses the spider bit. The screws supplied are a very soft metal and even of you pre-drill the holes, the head can still strip easily.
I did something very similar. After installing my 6x6 double pergola (12x16) with the supplied screws, I added 50 headlok 4 1/2 black timber screws which matched theblack brackets to provide added strength, and 4 inch large tapcon+ into concrete patio, 4 per base x 6 uprights, I have zero movement at all, rock solid... Also added 2 grey 8x8 coolaroo retractable blinds to one side, matched the top material perfect...
Mine doesn't wiggle at all... I put 4 inch large tapcon+ bolts into my concrete patio, 4 tapcons in each base bracket x 6 uprights and its rock solid...
Those cookie cutter houses in the background weren't there a year ago, that's the most obvious thing noticeable in this follow up. Christ, that's a lot of houses. Bummer.
these things cost more than a thousend bucks ha i made one 4 times 4 meter for a 100 bucks its the same material they put on fences at teniscourts cost 30 bucks for 20 square meter
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I've had mine for four years. Never secured it to my patio and I've not had any issues with it. It's not a kite.
I put up an 8x10 a few weeks ago with a top shade. I anchored it to my patio with two anchors on each post. I also cut the height of the 4 posts to 7 feet....get more shade. Only wiggles if I push on a top corner.
They should make a combination size, where you can use 6x6 on the corners and 4x4s on the top.
Thank you for reviewing the shade sail, I was looking to purchase one for my pergola.
Thanks for sharing! I just bought this system and your videos are very helpful. : )
Thanks for the review, considering buying this and this was very helpful. simple and straight to the point
I'm glad it helped. Thanks for the comment.
I seen horizontal brace's for back post to help keep it sturdy.
If you add the corner angled pieces it wont shake much at all. (I did this)
Very nice. Over here in AZ, wondering whats a harsh Canadian summer, lol Do you think it will wobble less if I put slats on top ?
Slats? Do you mean holes in fabric? I suspect that would cause more problems but I don't know. Harsh Canadian summer ... last week was hail, then flooding rain, then a tornado that took out a neighborhood, but at least we don't have AZ heat.
@@TheGarage656 I meant additional wood slats across the top.
@@williammorales8204 Ah. In that case, probably not. The wiggle for my system comes from the uprights (not so much the top). Maybe some extra weight on top might help slightly, but probably not worth the cost of lumber/effort.
Harsh Canadian summer is the exact same as winter in AZ 😆 Was in PHX all winter...it was warmer in January in PHX than its been here this spring 😆 counting the weeks to mid October so I can get warm in AZ
My Toja Grid feet have rusted pretty bad, in Orlando being outside, and not with the screws but the actual metal itself - I purchased in 2020
Thanks for the review. The one question I can't find an answer to: do the sails only come in limited standard sizes? Or will Toja Grid make them to suit custom dimensions?
I have not heard of them doing that. But I didn't check either. Would be interesting if they did.
They do custom dimensions according to their site. It will just take a little longer to get in due to custom order.
They do any size you want, we did 12x16, 6x6, 5 years old and looks brand new.
Did u leave up all year or did u take it down in bad weather
Thanks for the video! I’m looking at getting the 10x12 with 4x4 posts but I get a lot of wind. I’ll be taking the sail off when I’m not there, is it easy to put on and off? Also, would I be better with 6x6 posts? I’m using brown treated.
I'd do 6x6 next time, just to help with wiggle issue. It is not super difficult to take off, but I'd get annoyed doing it after the first dozen times or so. The issue is with the clips. They do not stay tight. So you'll want to tie the ends (after clipping them). Which makes removal a total pain in the butt each time.
I just put up a 6x6 post one w 8’ x 12’ sail. It’s 2x the volume of Wood vs a 4x4 and is super sturdy…and heavy!
I cut the vertical posts to 7 ‘ which makes it simpler to remove sail (which you should do if not in use) as easier to reach buckles. You can also add a few more bolts or screws at each bracket to get rid of any wiggle. Works great; solid as a rock.
@@markmettrick9034 sounds awesome
@@TheGarage656 it’s now been a few weeks; a couple of points to consider. A reminder that a 6’x6’ 12x8 structure (and I put brackets on all 4 corners so it’s a cube I can -in theory- move about my deck) is really heavy; it’s a 4 person job to put together particularly if you have bottom 3 way brackets. The sail is OK, but it’s not super heavy material; next summer I will likely build a wood slat system or retractable awning system for shade. That’s the other benefit of 6x6 framing; you can custom build top shade, side lattices and any daybed or bench system you can imagine. It’s a strong and sturdy enough frame to add to easily.
@@rickroll9086 All great points. Thanks for sharing. I'm sold on 6x6. Like idea of retractable fabric of some kind.
Would 45° 4x4 braces (triangulation) add the support needed to remove the wiggle?
Those would make a huge difference. No question. But they would block your view. If I was going to use them, I'd likely just not buy this kit and just go all wood (plus the fabric shade).
Think you should turn the music down so we can hear the content
Hint...Shut music off in background so we can hear you clearly. No patron wants to pay for music when we get it for free.
It's not it really a review on toja grid. It is really on the wood and if it rots. If you are going to span over 12 ft, which I think what was said. I would go with the 6 x 6 versus 4 x 4. Also, I would not use the screws that come with the kit. I would use the HeadLOK 3 1/2 " of 4 1/2" system screws which uses the spider bit. The screws supplied are a very soft metal and even of you pre-drill the holes, the head can still strip easily.
I did something very similar. After installing my 6x6 double pergola (12x16) with the supplied screws, I added 50 headlok 4 1/2 black timber screws which matched theblack brackets to provide added strength, and 4 inch large tapcon+ into concrete patio, 4 per base x 6 uprights, I have zero movement at all, rock solid... Also added 2 grey 8x8 coolaroo retractable blinds to one side, matched the top material perfect...
Wonder what happens if spray with never wet Rust-oleum?
If you try it let me know.
How does that hold up in the wind and rain?
So far so good. A few clips have broken over two years but not straps or fabric.
Any post you don't put 3 feet into the ground is going to wiggle. Looks good though!
Mine doesn't wiggle at all... I put 4 inch large tapcon+ bolts into my concrete patio, 4 tapcons in each base bracket x 6 uprights and its rock solid...
Nice video. Why not just buy your own brackets instead of purchasing toja’s?
I couldn't find any that would work. And welding my own would be very difficult (and expensive).
@@TheGarage656 hmmm noted, I’ll probably purchase toja’s. Thank you
Those cookie cutter houses in the background weren't there a year ago, that's the most obvious thing noticeable in this follow up. Christ, that's a lot of houses. Bummer.
I wish they stop calling a pergola. it is a car port cover or swap meet tent .
Please repost without the loud music. :)
The sun will break down anything over time.
these things cost more than a thousend bucks ha i made one 4 times 4 meter for a 100 bucks its the same material they put on fences at teniscourts cost 30 bucks for 20 square meter
That sounds brilliant. Where did you find that material. I may have to try the same.
There is only one "s" in "disappear" ... oops.
I say go for it.....film it hospital can't be far?
Music? Why.
One story trampoline lol
You are not the first person to suggest that (both boys want to jump on it from deck).
If your going to do a review lose the music, Bc we can hear you.
Just buy generic construction brackets, save yourself a tonne of cash