After installing the SR Master Fuse in my Rega Aethos amp, the elevated and increased sound staging became immediately noticeable. Now, I am getting SQ improvement more akin to an amp upgrade of at least a few thousand dollars more. With that in mind, the increased air in musical recordings along with stronger dynamics were literally unbelievable. I consider the SR Master Fuse to be one of the most valuable additions to my audio system.
I know someone (with standard plug and fuse etc) who used to polish the metal of the fuse and the connections inside the plug and then solder the fuse in, polish the external plugs (three pin), he was very proud of his shiny plugs. he also would put a direct spur in for his hifi. His system always sounded fantastic, all of the attention to detail and effort that he put into setting his system up could be heard.Especially the transients. I'm remember him saying "ever seen a plug this shiny." This was in the 80's early 90's, so I get this about the fuse.
Or doesn't blow when a short developes in the power transformer and a house fire results. Fuses are safety devices. How many of these audiophile fuses have traceable certifications by recognized and authorized testing labs? And furthermore cryo treating OEM fuses voids any existing certification. Any modification like that requires re-testing and certification. I just don't get why some think putting a non certified safety device in a listed product is OK?
Utter psychological manipulation by big companies who pay forum leaders who influence you tube presenters etc etc. Advertising comes up with some stunning verbiage just like women's cosmetics Perhaps the cables had "active lippisome complexes" All I could hear between £850 cables and £35 cables was a "difference ' . Not better not worse just different.
@@thor8334 I have no doubt they do. But extreme high end audio is ripe with snake oil. If these fuses are so superior, then why aren't they used in highly sensitive lab equipment like from Agilent and Tektronix? Why aren't they used in the receivers at NASA/JPL where they recieve extremely weak signals from space probes outside our solar system. If there was ever an application for reduced electrical noise, that's surely one of them. Ditto this for audiophile power cords as well. I work with this level of test gear. I have been on an IEEE tour of NASA/JPL and got to see inside their equipment racks. Just standard commodity power cords in use.
At £600 you got to the stage where you thought they might be cashing in? You're a bit late to the party on this one Phil. I thought they were cashing in when you paid more than a pound for a pack of three.
I agree, Philip...use your ears to decide. Naim CD555...that is a beautiful machine. Thank you👍 That said...the Kiseki Purple Heart I had from you, sounds pretty fine as well😉👍
Yes, your ears must decide. However, there are people who can easily afford such a thing, and those who simply aspire to have it. As such, those aspiring need to be very very careful and cautious. Would I try such a thing? No. But then, my budget is low.
Hi all As a retired electrical contractor I’m going to step out of my comfort zone , but this whole issue could be negated by not including fuse protection at all in the supply to a hifi system . If we assume that the fuse protection is say 13 amps , this could could be averted by a direct supply via a 6 /10 amp RCBO from the main distribution board . A Means of isolation could be provided via a main switch or rotary isolator . This in essence would resemble a cooker supply but on a lower amperage level , so basically eliminating the need for local fuse protection . The main advantage of such a system is it could be a radial supply direct from the main distribution board , a large cable size so increasing conductivity . And at this point I would suggest it should be kept away from other supply cables as is practical to achieve total RF isolation . And yes this is my present system , does it make a difference well I must confess I’m not sure . Could be my hearing is just not good enough to differentiate , but ha for me the process was child’s play .
I think a dedicated spur to your stuff is a better investment as it really reduces noise. Get rid of the microwave. If you disconnect everything in your home, your hifi sounds much better, try it, especially if all of your neighbours do the same and vacate their homes. And we move to the country, but not near farms with milking parlours or feed processing equipment.
Just heard the master fuse guy last night on a RUclips live interview and he recommended one Master fuse and all the others Pink fuses and also try each fuse in both directions to figure out what is the best direction. Crazy who would have thunk it ?
What magic ingredient do these fuses have?? If they are built to the correct standard, they will consist of two metal caps on a glass or ceramic tube joined by a piece of wire designed to fuse open at the designated current. Nothing more. If they are NOT constructed this way, they do not conform to code and would represent a potential insurance claim denial should your amplifier burn your house down. That would put the six hundred quid you paid for the fuse into sharp relief.
Well not all “hi fi purists “ dismiss room treatment and room eq. I have tried room eq with great results and I also tried some of those fancy fuses, which were better than the standard ones but a fuse for £600 ? I’m not sure! I would give it a try on a sale or return basis maybe……
I have a few days ago changed from a purple to a Master fuse on the first mains cable from the wall and the rest of the fuses are purple feeding Naim 500 series, and yes it is certainly an eye opener after a burn in of 24 hours, and seems to just keep getting better.
It wouldn't work, because it wouldn't cost anything. Audiophiles only "hear" differences when they spend a lot of money on a non-existent "problem". More $$$="tighter midrange" or similar nonsense.
a month ago i rewired my 105b monoblock amps power plugs the connections where corroded and bit loose etc the difference in quality was very noticeable much better in all frequencies ...
I’ve had a master fuse for ages. It brings the sound forward. Purples deepen and warm the midrange. Be aware the purples are a bit all over the place at first. The fuses are also directional, sound out of phase if incorrect. Hope this helps.
These comments are proof that I should go into the "audiophile fuse" business. Proof that marketing BS works. Proof that higher prices = stronger placebo effect. Utterly bonkers, but clearly there's a market for it! Let me guess....the results are "unmeasurable" but "clearly evident to an audiophile with a highly resolving system" ? 😂
With my engineers hat on the only cause I could think of would be the resistance of the fuse will cause a limit of current to the amplifier over the cable its self.If that is the case disconnect the fuse and holder wire direct to live pin and listen for any differences.High hi fi does many strange things
If you think it makes your system sound better and deepens the enjoyment of the music (which is the point of the hobby) all the better. For me personally it’s a non starter.
Here in the States, Synergystic allows like 100 days in home listening. If it’s not good for your system- you can send it back for a full refund through the retailer who sent it to you. I’m trying one in my H390, a T 250V 10A SR Master. Should be here Monday and after a couple weeks of burn in (24/7 playing my iTunes library on random), I will let you know what I think.
Just a question on the fuse in the h390. Going on the fuse is directional. Putting the fuse in the iec tray as your looking at it. Right to left or left to right? Thanks.
My Flymo was sounding rough. I installed one of these fuses and the frequency response improved dramatically. More depth, more bottom end control, improved balance, less vibration…
I can’t speak where the purple uses I can speak a solid, stainless steel fuse which I use in my Maggies was not cheap 150 bucks each, but definitely smooth out the high end. Without a doubt I do believe infuses it the applications called for I’m an audio file. I have yours just like you and none of us will agree all the time on anyone trick for their system. Keep spending your money man it’s just a hobby don’t take it serious, good luck guys
I upgraded to the Synergistic Purple fuse in my Cambridge Azur 851N and was overwhelmed at the improvement in all aspects!! (Canada has no fuse in the mains). Master Fuse is next step! What about changing the fuses in the units themselves?
Hmmm,well. A bone of contention amongst believers and non believers. Am I allowed to sit inbetween on this one?. While I feel that there can be elements such as damping properties and termination at each end,with a quality piece of wire inbetween,which would potentially lessen the resistance a little (tiny amount),i wouldn't go beyond clean contacts and possibly silver plated end caps. Fuses that provide that can be had for a far more reasonable cost and ensure fair signal transmission. The resistance to current is largely determined by the value of the fuse anyway,so we're talking small level here. I have played with "high end fuses" and won't lose any sleep over using what I believe to be a more sensible middle ground. By all means go a little beyond bog standard,but upgradeitis needn't apply for fuses. I know others will feel strongly polarised i.e. "they do nothing",or "they're incredible" or whatever. My own feelings are that they're akin to pumping up a car tyre which is a little low on pressure. Let real electronic engineering within the components do the talking .Some of these brands do some funny things like magic dots as acoustic treatment. None of which are qualified by verifiable measurements ,only belief. If someone tries a fuse or whatever and believes things are better,it's not for me to worry about even though I personally feel somewhat cynical about some of the unproven claims having been made.
@@pauldavies6037 Hi Paul. Interestingly,even though it was only a demo through RUclips one of the HiFi bloggers did a repeated A/B test between fuses with many of the listeners /commenters feeling they preferred the standard fuses. People will be loyal to their worldview to the extent of stubbornness sometimes,so trying to convince them otherwise is pretty much a fruitless task. As long as we're all enjoying our systems and music,that's the most important thing.
@@oliverbeard7912 I was in the trade for many years if you can hear the difference in YOUR system and are willing to pay the costs for any of these tweaks it is that persons desision
@@oliverbeard7912 You're missing the point. That's why you do the blind tests in the first place. You can only use science to prove or disprove objective variables. Is there a difference, yes or no? That's it. Anything beyond that is personal preference. Is the most expensive thing on a menu always the best tasting? Will you always prefer a 50k car over one for 30k? Is red a better color than blue? How much something costs isn't an objective variable. If an item goes on sale for half off, does it preform any differently? With products like fuses, some people will hear no difference, while others will say they make the system sound worse. It would be highly unusual for everyone to put these things in their systems and all get the same results. That would be a huge red flag. For me personally, I tend to stay away from power related products. Why? My experience has been mostly negative. More often than not, I hear a difference, but I don't like it. And that's the way it goes. One last thing. Blind testing audio equipment. Not all tests are the same. A test is only as good as the standards used by the person conducting the test. Test quality can range from silly/childish to scientific. I have yet to see any of the audio "skeptics" conduct a blind test with any integrity whatsoever. If the test results are what they want them to be, its a good test, regardless of how well it was done. Any test that yields results other than what they want to see will not be accepted, no matter how well done. Do you have to take my word for this? Absolutely not. Any time one of them brings up a test that "proves" something, ask to see it for yourself. You will not get it. The test either doesn't exist, or it was so poorly done, it would be embarrassing for them to reveal it. In over 3 decades of me asking to see a test, I have yet to see just one.
its not only the fuse that will affect the sound...its the connection between power cable and power supply in the amp...usualy they are connected with fast connectors from the power plug and they are often not good...if you solder them it will improve the mid range and overall tighten the sound...the same issue is in the speakers with terminals and on the drivers...everyrhing should be soldered😊
So your friend has an outlet that accepts or uses these AGC 250v fast or slo-blow fuses? I've never heard of that. What brand manufactures such an outlet? This has been one of your harder videos to follow, jumping from cables to fuses to easily worth the money. Then you admit you were up late. You seem to be hitting that coffee quite a bit. So you think that this is the best way for someone to upgrade their sound; six hundred pounds for a fuse without a decent explanation of how they're made. Just because it works does not mean it's worth it. I honestly heard a demo at a dealer years ago that I swore I heard a difference in a CD player when the dealer tore a piece of paper and put it under one of the player's feet. I couldn't wait for someone to charge a couple of hundred bucks for a sheet of magical paper, significantly better than bonded typewriter paper, you know, audiophile paper. Reminds me of all the products that came out after the original Tip Toes. Remember them? They have been manufactured out of every conceivable material since then. But are they better or just different sounding? How about if you found out it cost them two pounds to knock one of these fuses out, are you still interested? A lot of this is easy money for the manufacturers of this kind of products. Based on science, empirical data? Where is any of this data? I won't try one. What if it blows when I try it out, am I on the hook for six hundred pounds? I think of Peter Belt and his plastic clips, pennies worth of cream, 1/4" squares of wrapping paper going for exorbitant amounts after Peter did his voodoo process, whatever that was to justify the cost. Maybe you need another listen when you're not so tired.
How much better would be if you switched your fuse box? Here's your objective measurements are handy. Least could be electrical and/or psycho sensory. Thanks!
Hello Phil. Where should the fuse go in the system? In the mains conditioner, the cd transport, the dac or the amp? I'd love some input on this, because I know I cannot afford a Master fuse for all my components. Thanks
You're supposed to use only one Master fuse ( more will be too much in the system ) and Purple or Orange in the rest of the system. It is recomended that you put the Master Fuse at the Power Conditioner ( if you have one ) or source = CD Player/DAC . I supose if you had an analog/turntable system you would put it in the Phono Pre-Amp .
Although I would never pay £600 for a fuse, simply because it’s something that can blow at any point, fuses DO make a sonic difference. All the nay sayers are just ignorant people. Even a relatively inexpensive AMR gold fuse sounded very different to the standard Bussman fuse in my setup.
I my self have the sr purple in mains block time 2 and in both pre and pover amp plus a 13 amp in the mains cable witch powers the mains block could not believe having paid 1000 pound for the purple one had to try one so got a 13 amp master fuse 600 pound a lot of money my god unbelievable changing that one fuse better than the 5 purple ones best 600 pound I have ever spent doing a Ab with with both fuses no brainer ( don’t try it you will end up 600 pound down)
Trust me you R missing out 600 pound for this fuse is cheap for the up grade in your music that you get try one if you don’t like it give it back but if you do try one save your money as you won’t give it back 😎
As I keep saying, you need an open mind in this hobby/business if you done want to miss things. Plus, you have to use your own judgement as there’s no substitute for that. If something works, it works. Even if you don’t know why.
Yes, I too use Russ Andrew fuses. I recently upgraded to their Ultrafuses at £65 and they do represent an improvement over the Superfuses. I've also replaced all internal fuses, where possible, with Superfuses This makes for a very satisfying synergy and I don't feel the need to upgrade any further, I certainly wouldn't spend £600 on a single fuse no matter how wonderful it is purported to be. The Russ Andrews fuses are good value for money and represent a significant improvement over the cheapo fuses that are fitted into most power cables and hifi components. I don't care if the sceptics think this is all snake oil. They should try before commenting and, if having done so, find no improvement then comment but at least do it rationally and non abusively.
sorry russ andrews is not in the same camp with these unbelievable fuses I’ve tried them all this master fuse is a game changer if you don’t try one your missing out trust me
I have, at one stage, replaced my main hifi socket with a round 3 pin socket and then fitted a corresponding round 3 pin plug to the mains lead therebye eliminating a fuse completely. Made no noticeable difference to the sound so quickly dismantled it so as to be legal again. So you are saying that by having one of these super fuses in circuit makes a system sound better than having no fuse at all mmmm!
I recently put one of these in my DAC and it was the best $600 I ever spent on an audio component. I then added purple fuses everywhere else, even better!
First I thought the whole fuse thingy was bullsh1t , it is not until a friend installed one in my streaming preamplifier that I heard a real tangible difference in the sound. Im still scratching my head to understand why !
From a thin glass tube with 230volt that passing through a very thin bit of fuse wire causes a huge amount heat, vibration 50hz and resistance compared to a Synergistic fuse which has a thick ceramic body, a fuse wire of better qaulity which is then packed between the casing with a sand like substance which deals with heat transfer and vibtrations. Simple but smart. I never believed in fuse snake oil until i tried them. That's half the problem with sceptics, they think they know it all but have never tried. Learn by doing is my motto. I currently use Purple and will upgrade to a Master. Great video 🙂
"Standard" UK mains *plug* fuses are not made with a glass tube but have a thick ceramic body and a "sand like substance" around the fuse wire. Fuses with glass tubes are used within electronic devices and are not (to the best of my understanding) meant to be replaced with these Synergistic fuses.
One thing for sure is that it will make a difference to your bank balance and possibly your ability to remain married...... Hey hang on where can you get one. 😊
You are correct, if you fit it and to you it sounds better then thats OK. Some people prefer a system that, say, measures poorly on a distortion meter, it doesn't have to be about hearing exactly what the producer intended. This said. I think the Eng community are more upset that people are selling on deception, there is no quantum tunneling effect that you can preceive via air pressure waves. or any of the other bull, and then to add insult, it gets marketed with a 3-4 figure price tag, like it was worth something more than the £1 it cost.. I thinkn you need to question more on would your power supply design be so poor that the few thou of an ohm that the fuse change makes, _could_ ever make a difference. The problem for the HiFi market that it has in terms of electronic design, stagnated.
The concept of why fuses make a difference is so simple, yet so many don’t want to accept it. If you ever want to hear how fuses improve sound let’s chat..
Yep another cynic here waiting to be "enlightened " Already been through the cables . Could only hear a "difference" not an improvement between 35£ and 850£ cables. Awaiting your scientific technical response. Like so many here, waiting............. and waiting.
Oh Yeah.. I quite believe what your saying about this expensive fuse. I can tell you from my own experience they do make a difference especially in a high end set up. There was a guy at the Bristol Hifi show did an A/B demo on one several years back on a modest Primere set up and I was blown away, just by changing one main fuse. You don't have to spend loads though. Fuses from 'HiFi Tuning' work really well and they are not too expensive, worth upgrading to as well.👍👍
Maybe the fuse acts as a kind of bottleneck? I find it interesting that something which isn’t understandable using conventional science afaik can be a real phenomenon. But it makes sense that a hifi system optimising sound quality has never been studied in science research. So hifi can add to our understanding of science. This is a very important point which few people appreciate and contributes to so much misunderstanding in this subject.
The answer is simle people thinks oh dear what a massive difference but the reality is completely different unfortunately there is no difference at all its just your mind playing tricks on you to spend more money thats all stock fuses and midnight blue fuses are exactly the same just cosmetic however if you change your circuit breaker and the cables with audio circuit breakers and pure silver insulated cables with specific fuse and plug them through power conditioner than HEY BABY YES YES YES 💥
Well Phil if you say that you heard a difference then I believe you, and let each one decide if it does or not for themselves. If after listening you think it's money well spent then go for it. I put SR Red in my system, and tbh there was no night and day difference to my ears.
OK mister big shot. Show me just 1 well done double blind test conducted and documented by a reputable source done on any piece of high end audio equipment ever made. Just a single test. And while you're at it, give Amir my screen name and ask to see all of my posts he deletes whenever I make comments on his videos. He can remove posts on his videos, but he can still see them in his youtube account, so he can show them to you if he wants. The only reason someone deletes a post is because they don't want anyone to read it. If I was wrong, he would leave them up and use them for an example. I won't hold my breath. You can't produce a single test and Amir is the junk science king.
You're right, of course...it's all utter nonsense. For those of us who have the brains to KNOW that it's nonsense, it's insanely frustrating to hear "audiophiles" and their nonsense (especially for myself, a full-time audio/video engineering guy, with decades of experience), but these clueless "audiophiles" don't want to listen to logic or reason, they are in love with the mystical world of "audiophilia" . It really is like some kind of weird cult. What on EARTH could make people believe such daft stuff?! "HiFi Gurus"? It's just so weird. Seems to be a pretty common thread running through 99% of them, though...middle-age and money burning a hole in their pockets. They're pretty much always bald/thinning hair, grey, older, middle-class white guys. 🤣
This is the problem with high end hi fiers. If it costs ridiculous money it has to be better not that you can pick up on all these with the human ear. The best upgrade a cotton bud to clean your ears, cheaper too.
Silly advice. Put a cotton bud in your ear and risk impacting any ear wax, causing an ear infection and temporary loss, or worse, of your hearing. Then you won't be able to determine ANY changes.
You completely fabricated that statement. Show me a single instance from a respectable source that says such a thing. You simply can't do it, which means you have to be lying.
As a former teacher of electrical installation both industrial and domestic. I am also a licenced armature radio operator I can only say give us sciences or stop this rubberish, phycology teachers the more we pay for something the more we will justify its cost in our heads. In other words (The Emperors New Clothes).
@@rejean2744Well, I thought like you and was not even considering bothering let alone trying one. A friend brought a Synergistic Research Quantum fuse and I was blown away. It is better to try one fuse than to upgrade equipement!
@@Darokkk so simple yes. the fuse has a certain amount of resistance and blows at a certain point. so if you change a plain old cheap 2 amp fuse with a stupidly expensive 2 amp they will have identical resistance to enable them to blow at the same point. change the resistance and you alter the fuse blow point or amp rating. SIMPLE!!!!
Now I am confused, to upgrade my fuse or not to upgrade my fuse, actually I refuse to believe that a fuse could make any difference to the sound of my hifi, sorry Phil, normally much enjoy your channel by the way🤓
You don't know what our missing Keith. They honestly can make a huge difference. It sound too good to be true but trust me, I've tried them and they can make a difference like changing out your interconnects for a higher grade.
I agree no brainer improvement from purple to master trust me I’m gobsmacked with the master fuse your missing out 600 yes a lot of money but it will be the cheapest improvement you will ever make
Some people probably DO send them back. At $600 each, even if you get 95% of them returned, you're still making money for nothing! 😂 Most "audiophiles" would be too embarrassed to admit they can't actually hear a difference anyway. They'll somehow convince themselves that it *must" sound better, cos some guy on RUclips said so.
I believe that people hear differences after fitting expensive fuses, but how much is expectation I do not know. Opportunity missed here; Phil could have asked his mate to swap the fancy fuse in and out to see if he could tell which was which blind.
Yes, I heard him say that. It's the blind bit that is crucial though. It isn't just about hearing a difference, but also about which one is 'better'@@peterborelli3877
Oh dear....You've opened a can of worms here cheshireaudio!! All the naysayers chipping in giving you stick and others making fun and posting derogatory comments of your experiences. I think they are just sad individuals and probably the same crowd that says cables don't make a difference. They need to try out these tweeks for themselves before they start shooting off their gobs hiding behind a keyboard.
Personally, I think the "sad" ones are the gullible audiophiles. They will literally believe any old crap. It's utter nonsense. Is there even ONE video online proving that this rubbish makes a difference? A controlled, double-blind test is simple enough to perform...yet NOBODY has ever done one. That's why I think you're "sad". You probably believe in homeopathy, too.
Hmmm.... interesting stuff? But I'm curious....If I got one of these fuses and placed it in the mains plug of (1) a good multplug extension lead or (2) a power regulator .....would it actually influence and sonically improve all the compenents attached....Or do these fuses have to be put into each and every component?
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must have been one hell of a spliff that night to accompany the biscuits
Cannabis biscuits 😂
Trust me it is that good no brainer worth every penny
After installing the SR Master Fuse in my Rega Aethos amp, the elevated and increased sound staging became immediately noticeable. Now, I am getting SQ improvement more akin to an amp upgrade of at least a few thousand dollars more. With that in mind, the increased air in musical recordings along with stronger dynamics were literally unbelievable. I consider the SR Master Fuse to be one of the most valuable additions to my audio system.
If i was going to try one i would first remove my old one give it a really good clean then refit it and give another listen.
I know someone (with standard plug and fuse etc) who used to polish the metal of the fuse and the connections inside the plug and then solder the fuse in, polish the external plugs (three pin), he was very proud of his shiny plugs. he also would put a direct spur in for his hifi. His system always sounded fantastic, all of the attention to detail and effort that he put into setting his system up could be heard.Especially the transients. I'm remember him saying "ever seen a plug this shiny."
This was in the 80's early 90's,
so I get this about the fuse.
Gonna be a sad day if and when that 600 quid fuse ever blows!
Or doesn't blow when a short developes in the power transformer and a house fire results. Fuses are safety devices. How many of these audiophile fuses have traceable certifications by recognized and authorized testing labs? And furthermore cryo treating OEM fuses voids any existing certification. Any modification like that requires re-testing and certification. I just don't get why some think putting a non certified safety device in a listed product is OK?
@@andydelle4509 Couldn't agree more!
Utter psychological manipulation by big companies who pay forum leaders who influence you tube presenters etc etc.
Advertising comes up with some stunning verbiage just like women's cosmetics Perhaps the cables had "active lippisome complexes"
All I could hear between £850 cables and £35 cables was a "difference ' . Not better not worse just different.
@@andydelle4509some high end manufacturers use their fuses mate.
@@thor8334 I have no doubt they do. But extreme high end audio is ripe with snake oil. If these fuses are so superior, then why aren't they used in highly sensitive lab equipment like from Agilent and Tektronix? Why aren't they used in the receivers at NASA/JPL where they recieve extremely weak signals from space probes outside our solar system. If there was ever an application for reduced electrical noise, that's surely one of them. Ditto this for audiophile power cords as well. I work with this level of test gear. I have been on an IEEE tour of NASA/JPL and got to see inside their equipment racks. Just standard commodity power cords in use.
😂🤣😅 let the fuse wars begin!
I recon the biscuits were specially baked
At £600 you got to the stage where you thought they might be cashing in?
You're a bit late to the party on this one Phil. I thought they were cashing in when you paid more than a pound for a pack of three.
I agree, Philip...use your ears to decide. Naim CD555...that is a beautiful machine. Thank you👍 That said...the Kiseki Purple Heart I had from you, sounds pretty fine as well😉👍
Yes, your ears must decide. However, there are people who can easily afford such a thing, and those who simply aspire to have it. As such, those aspiring need to be very very careful and cautious. Would I try such a thing? No. But then, my budget is low.
Hi all As a retired electrical contractor I’m going to step out of my comfort zone , but this whole issue could be negated by not including fuse protection at all in the supply to a hifi system . If we assume that the fuse protection is say 13 amps , this could could be averted by a direct supply via a 6 /10 amp RCBO from the main distribution board . A Means of isolation could be provided via a main switch or rotary isolator . This in essence would resemble a cooker supply but on a lower amperage level , so basically eliminating the need for local fuse protection . The main advantage of such a system is it could be a radial supply direct from the main distribution board , a
large cable size so increasing conductivity . And at this point I would suggest it should be kept away from other supply cables as is practical to achieve total RF isolation . And yes this is my present system , does it make a difference well I must confess I’m not sure . Could be my hearing is just not good enough to differentiate , but ha for me the process was child’s play .
I think a dedicated spur to your stuff is a better investment as it really reduces noise. Get rid of the microwave. If you disconnect everything in your home, your hifi sounds much better, try it, especially if all of your neighbours do the same and vacate their homes. And we move to the country, but not near farms with milking parlours or feed processing equipment.
Don’t try a master fuse as you will be paying 600 pounds out trust me it’s that good
But my home only uses circuit breakers....now, how am I supposed to be an audiophile ...??? 😥
Pull the sticker off the fuse and put it on the breaker. Will achieve the same.
Just heard the master fuse guy last night on a RUclips live interview and he recommended one Master fuse and all the others Pink fuses and also try each fuse in both directions to figure out what is the best direction. Crazy who would have thunk it ?
What magic ingredient do these fuses have?? If they are built to the correct standard, they will consist of two metal caps on a glass or ceramic tube joined by a piece of wire designed to fuse open at the designated current. Nothing more. If they are NOT constructed this way, they do not conform to code and would represent a potential insurance claim denial should your amplifier burn your house down. That would put the six hundred quid you paid for the fuse into sharp relief.
Who is going to pay £600 the break on open
They won't make any difference. Funny how ok to spend £600 on a fuse but hifi purists won't do room treatment or room EQ
Well not all “hi fi purists “ dismiss room treatment and room eq. I have tried room eq with great results and I also tried some of those fancy fuses, which were better than the standard ones but a fuse for £600 ? I’m not sure! I would give it a try on a sale or return basis maybe……
Room treatment is a must, EQ absolutely not, it destorys the signal and causes all sorts of phase issues so the music sounds artificial
@@divertiti have you tried room perfect?
@@divertiti subwoofer EQ is a must
I have a few days ago changed from a purple to a Master fuse on the first mains cable from the wall and the rest of the fuses are purple feeding Naim 500 series, and yes it is certainly an eye opener after a burn in of 24 hours, and seems to just keep getting better.
how does this fuse compare with no fuse, i.e. shorting out the fuse with a copper or brass rod? It CANNOT be any better than that...
Yes, that's right.
It wouldn't work, because it wouldn't cost anything. Audiophiles only "hear" differences when they spend a lot of money on a non-existent "problem". More $$$="tighter midrange" or similar nonsense.
a month ago i rewired my 105b monoblock amps power plugs the connections where corroded and bit loose etc the difference in quality was very noticeable much better in all frequencies ...
I’ve had a master fuse for ages. It brings the sound forward. Purples deepen and warm the midrange.
Be aware the purples are a bit all over the place at first. The fuses are also directional, sound out of phase if incorrect. Hope this helps.
These comments are proof that I should go into the "audiophile fuse" business. Proof that marketing BS works. Proof that higher prices = stronger placebo effect. Utterly bonkers, but clearly there's a market for it! Let me guess....the results are "unmeasurable" but "clearly evident to an audiophile with a highly resolving system" ? 😂
No kidding NJM, a huge difference in the sound, night and day actually but, it can only be heard, not measured.
With my engineers hat on the only cause I could think of would be the resistance of the fuse will cause a limit of current to the amplifier over the cable its self.If that is the case disconnect the fuse and holder wire direct to live pin and listen for any differences.High hi fi does many strange things
Agreed. A fuse is essentially a low value resistor that would at worst choke transients a little bit.
yes will increase the AC input impedance some what as well@@stevesmyth4982
If you think it makes your system sound better and deepens the enjoyment of the music (which is the point of the hobby) all the better. For me personally it’s a non starter.
The emperor’s new suit of cloths?
Go on, try one!
Here in the States, Synergystic allows like 100 days in home listening. If it’s not good for your system- you can send it back for a full refund through the retailer who sent it to you. I’m trying one in my H390, a T 250V 10A SR Master. Should be here Monday and after a couple weeks of burn in (24/7 playing my iTunes library on random), I will let you know what I think.
Just a question on the fuse in the h390. Going on the fuse is directional. Putting the fuse in the iec tray as your looking at it. Right to left or left to right?
Thanks.
My Flymo was sounding rough. I installed one of these fuses and the frequency response improved dramatically. More depth, more bottom end control, improved balance, less vibration…
I can’t speak where the purple uses I can speak a solid, stainless steel fuse which I use in my Maggies was not cheap 150 bucks each, but definitely smooth out the high end. Without a doubt I do believe infuses it the applications called for I’m an audio file. I have yours just like you and none of us will agree all the time on anyone trick for their system. Keep spending your money man it’s just a hobby don’t take it serious, good luck guys
I upgraded to the Synergistic Purple fuse in my Cambridge Azur 851N and was overwhelmed at the improvement in all aspects!! (Canada has no fuse in the mains). Master Fuse is next step! What about changing the fuses in the units themselves?
Hmmm,well. A bone of contention amongst believers and non believers. Am I allowed to sit inbetween on this one?. While I feel that there can be elements such as damping properties and termination at each end,with a quality piece of wire inbetween,which would potentially lessen the resistance a little (tiny amount),i wouldn't go beyond clean contacts and possibly silver plated end caps. Fuses that provide that can be had for a far more reasonable cost and ensure fair signal transmission. The resistance to current is largely determined by the value of the fuse anyway,so we're talking small level here. I have played with "high end fuses" and won't lose any sleep over using what I believe to be a more sensible middle ground. By all means go a little beyond bog standard,but upgradeitis needn't apply for fuses. I know others will feel strongly polarised i.e. "they do nothing",or "they're incredible" or whatever. My own feelings are that they're akin to pumping up a car tyre which is a little low on pressure. Let real electronic engineering within the components do the talking .Some of these brands do some funny things like magic dots as acoustic treatment. None of which are qualified by verifiable measurements ,only belief. If someone tries a fuse or whatever and believes things are better,it's not for me to worry about even though I personally feel somewhat cynical about some of the unproven claims having been made.
Listening tests are required
@@pauldavies6037 Hi Paul. Interestingly,even though it was only a demo through RUclips one of the HiFi bloggers did a repeated A/B test between fuses with many of the listeners /commenters feeling they preferred the standard fuses. People will be loyal to their worldview to the extent of stubbornness sometimes,so trying to convince them otherwise is pretty much a fruitless task. As long as we're all enjoying our systems and music,that's the most important thing.
@@oliverbeard7912 I was in the trade for many years if you can hear the difference in YOUR system and are willing to pay the costs for any of these tweaks it is that persons desision
@@pauldavies6037 For sure. To each their own. I worked within the industry too. (retail)
@@oliverbeard7912 You're missing the point. That's why you do the blind tests in the first place. You can only use science to prove or disprove objective variables. Is there a difference, yes or no? That's it. Anything beyond that is personal preference. Is the most expensive thing on a menu always the best tasting? Will you always prefer a 50k car over one for 30k? Is red a better color than blue? How much something costs isn't an objective variable. If an item goes on sale for half off, does it preform any differently? With products like fuses, some people will hear no difference, while others will say they make the system sound worse. It would be highly unusual for everyone to put these things in their systems and all get the same results. That would be a huge red flag. For me personally, I tend to stay away from power related products. Why? My experience has been mostly negative. More often than not, I hear a difference, but I don't like it. And that's the way it goes.
One last thing. Blind testing audio equipment. Not all tests are the same. A test is only as good as the standards used by the person conducting the test. Test quality can range from silly/childish to scientific. I have yet to see any of the audio "skeptics" conduct a blind test with any integrity whatsoever. If the test results are what they want them to be, its a good test, regardless of how well it was done. Any test that yields results other than what they want to see will not be accepted, no matter how well done. Do you have to take my word for this? Absolutely not. Any time one of them brings up a test that "proves" something, ask to see it for yourself. You will not get it. The test either doesn't exist, or it was so poorly done, it would be embarrassing for them to reveal it. In over 3 decades of me asking to see a test, I have yet to see just one.
its not only the fuse that will affect the sound...its the connection between power cable and power supply in the amp...usualy they are connected with fast connectors from the power plug and they are often not good...if you solder them it will improve the mid range and overall tighten the sound...the same issue is in the speakers with terminals and on the drivers...everyrhing should be soldered😊
Just watched an interview with the owner of synergistic research and he stated that
they start to degrade after 2 years. So a buck a day
So your friend has an outlet that accepts or uses these AGC 250v fast or slo-blow fuses? I've never heard of that. What brand manufactures such an outlet? This has been one of your harder videos to follow, jumping from cables to fuses to easily worth the money. Then you admit you were up late. You seem to be hitting that coffee quite a bit. So you think that this is the best way for someone to upgrade their sound; six hundred pounds for a fuse without a decent explanation of how they're made. Just because it works does not mean it's worth it. I honestly heard a demo at a dealer years ago that I swore I heard a difference in a CD player when the dealer tore a piece of paper and put it under one of the player's feet. I couldn't wait for someone to charge a couple of hundred bucks for a sheet of magical paper, significantly better than bonded typewriter paper, you know, audiophile paper. Reminds me of all the products that came out after the original Tip Toes. Remember them? They have been manufactured out of every conceivable material since then. But are they better or just different sounding? How about if you found out it cost them two pounds to knock one of these fuses out, are you still interested? A lot of this is easy money for the manufacturers of this kind of products. Based on science, empirical data? Where is any of this data? I won't try one. What if it blows when I try it out, am I on the hook for six hundred pounds? I think of Peter Belt and his plastic clips, pennies worth of cream, 1/4" squares of wrapping paper going for exorbitant amounts after Peter did his voodoo process, whatever that was to justify the cost. Maybe you need another listen when you're not so tired.
How much better would be if you switched your fuse box? Here's your objective measurements are handy. Least could be electrical and/or psycho sensory. Thanks!
Hello Phil. Where should the fuse go in the system? In the mains conditioner, the cd transport, the dac or the amp? I'd love some input on this, because I know I cannot afford a Master fuse for all my components. Thanks
You're supposed to use only one Master fuse ( more will be too much in the system ) and Purple or Orange in the rest of the system. It is recomended that you put the Master Fuse at the Power Conditioner ( if you have one ) or source = CD Player/DAC . I supose if you had an analog/turntable system you would put it in the Phono Pre-Amp .
In the bin
Although I would never pay £600 for a fuse, simply because it’s something that can blow at any point, fuses DO make a sonic difference. All the nay sayers are just ignorant people. Even a relatively inexpensive AMR gold fuse sounded very different to the standard Bussman fuse in my setup.
I my self have the sr purple in mains block time 2 and in both pre and pover amp plus a 13 amp in the mains cable witch powers the mains block could not believe having paid 1000 pound for the purple one had to try one so got a 13 amp master fuse 600 pound a lot of money my god unbelievable changing that one fuse better than the 5 purple ones best 600 pound I have ever spent doing a Ab with with both fuses no brainer ( don’t try it you will end up 600 pound down)
It amazes me how gullible people can be.
Go on, try one 😀🎶
@@tomgray6093 😏
Trust me you R missing out 600 pound for this fuse is cheap for the up grade in your music that you get try one if you don’t like it give it back but if you do try one save your money as you won’t give it back 😎
Amen!
As I keep saying, you need an open mind in this hobby/business if you done want to miss things. Plus, you have to use your own judgement as there’s no substitute for that. If something works, it works. Even if you don’t know why.
Just not so open your brain falls out.
Actually I replaced mine with an AKM chip. Made life a lot easier, but now I’m married to my smartphone 😮
I use Russ Andrews Suoerfuses, they cost £30 each and they make quite different, they bring out detail and make the sound more forward.
Yes, I too use Russ Andrew fuses. I recently upgraded to their Ultrafuses at £65 and they do represent an improvement over the Superfuses. I've also replaced all internal fuses, where possible, with Superfuses This makes for a very satisfying synergy and I don't feel the need to upgrade any further, I certainly wouldn't spend £600 on a single fuse no matter how wonderful it is purported to be. The Russ Andrews fuses are good value for money and represent a significant improvement over the cheapo fuses that are fitted into most power cables and hifi components. I don't care if the sceptics think this is all snake oil. They should try before commenting and, if having done so, find no improvement then comment but at least do it rationally and non abusively.
sorry russ andrews is not in the same camp with these unbelievable fuses I’ve tried them all this master fuse is a game changer if you don’t try one your missing out trust me
What component will benefit from the master fuse the most? Will the dac or streamer?
I have, at one stage, replaced my main hifi socket with a round 3 pin socket and then fitted a corresponding round 3 pin plug to the mains lead therebye eliminating a fuse completely. Made no noticeable difference to the sound so quickly dismantled it so as to be legal again. So you are saying that by having one of these super fuses in circuit makes a system sound better than having no fuse at all mmmm!
I think you need another holiday 🤣🤣
I recently put one of these in my DAC and it was the best $600 I ever spent on an audio component.
I then added purple fuses everywhere else, even better!
U paid 600gbp
@@matthewtaylor7355 I paid $575 to be specific.
$ is American dollar
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@bonalba20 what is your question?
@@matthewtaylor7355 I paid £2500 for all my fuses.
First I thought the whole fuse thingy was bullsh1t , it is not until a friend installed one in my streaming preamplifier that I heard a real tangible difference in the sound. Im still scratching my head to understand why !
From a thin glass tube with 230volt that passing through a very thin bit of fuse wire causes a huge amount heat, vibration 50hz and resistance compared to a Synergistic fuse which has a thick ceramic body, a fuse wire of better qaulity which is then packed between the casing with a sand like substance which deals with heat transfer and vibtrations. Simple but smart. I never believed in fuse snake oil until i tried them. That's half the problem with sceptics, they think they know it all but have never tried. Learn by doing is my motto. I currently use Purple and will upgrade to a Master.
Great video 🙂
Just use a nail then.
@@marklydon435 not very clever
"Standard" UK mains *plug* fuses are not made with a glass tube but have a thick ceramic body and a "sand like substance" around the fuse wire. Fuses with glass tubes are used within electronic devices and are not (to the best of my understanding) meant to be replaced with these Synergistic fuses.
One thing for sure is that it will make a difference to your bank balance and possibly your ability to remain married...... Hey hang on where can you get one. 😊
You are correct, if you fit it and to you it sounds better then thats OK. Some people prefer a system that, say, measures poorly on a distortion meter, it doesn't have to be about hearing exactly what the producer intended. This said. I think the Eng community are more upset that people are selling on deception, there is no quantum tunneling effect that you can preceive via air pressure waves. or any of the other bull, and then to add insult, it gets marketed with a 3-4 figure price tag, like it was worth something more than the £1 it cost.. I thinkn you need to question more on would your power supply design be so poor that the few thou of an ohm that the fuse change makes, _could_ ever make a difference. The problem for the HiFi market that it has in terms of electronic design, stagnated.
What would be a decent budget option?
The Synergistic Research Orange fuse.
The concept of why fuses make a difference is so simple, yet so many don’t want to accept it. If you ever want to hear how fuses improve sound let’s chat..
And what exactly is that concept?
So tell us why please!
Tell us, and also prove it. I'm DYING to hear what you come up with!
Yep another cynic here waiting to be "enlightened "
Already been through the cables . Could only hear a "difference" not an improvement between 35£ and 850£ cables.
Awaiting your scientific technical response.
Like so many here, waiting............. and waiting.
Oh Yeah.. I quite believe what your saying about this expensive fuse. I can tell you from my own experience they do make a difference especially in a high end set up. There was a guy at the Bristol Hifi show did an A/B demo on one several years back on a modest Primere set up and I was blown away, just by changing one main fuse. You don't have to spend loads though. Fuses from 'HiFi Tuning' work really well and they are not too expensive, worth upgrading to as well.👍👍
Maybe the fuse acts as a kind of bottleneck? I find it interesting that something which isn’t understandable using conventional science afaik can be a real phenomenon. But it makes sense that a hifi system optimising sound quality has never been studied in science research. So hifi can add to our understanding of science. This is a very important point which few people appreciate and contributes to so much misunderstanding in this subject.
The answer is simle people thinks oh dear what a massive difference but the reality is completely different unfortunately there is no difference at all its just your mind playing tricks on you to spend more money thats all stock fuses and midnight blue fuses are exactly the same just cosmetic however if you change your circuit breaker and the cables with audio circuit breakers and pure silver insulated cables with specific fuse and plug them through power conditioner than HEY BABY YES YES YES 💥
Well Phil if you say that you heard a difference then I believe you, and let each one decide if it does or not for themselves. If after listening you think it's money well spent then go for it. I put SR Red in my system, and tbh there was no night and day difference to my ears.
Absolute utter nonsense. Do a double blind test. Then send one to Amir at ASR to test.
OK mister big shot. Show me just 1 well done double blind test conducted and documented by a reputable source done on any piece of high end audio equipment ever made. Just a single test. And while you're at it, give Amir my screen name and ask to see all of my posts he deletes whenever I make comments on his videos. He can remove posts on his videos, but he can still see them in his youtube account, so he can show them to you if he wants. The only reason someone deletes a post is because they don't want anyone to read it. If I was wrong, he would leave them up and use them for an example.
I won't hold my breath. You can't produce a single test and Amir is the junk science king.
And if you're always as rude as this, I can understand why Amir would delete your posts.
Go on, try one 🎶😀👍🏼
You're right, of course...it's all utter nonsense. For those of us who have the brains to KNOW that it's nonsense, it's insanely frustrating to hear "audiophiles" and their nonsense (especially for myself, a full-time audio/video engineering guy, with decades of experience), but these clueless "audiophiles" don't want to listen to logic or reason, they are in love with the mystical world of "audiophilia" . It really is like some kind of weird cult. What on EARTH could make people believe such daft stuff?! "HiFi Gurus"? It's just so weird. Seems to be a pretty common thread running through 99% of them, though...middle-age and money burning a hole in their pockets. They're pretty much always bald/thinning hair, grey, older, middle-class white guys. 🤣
This is the problem with high end hi fiers. If it costs ridiculous money it has to be better not that you can pick up on all these with the human ear. The best upgrade a cotton bud to clean your ears, cheaper too.
Silly advice. Put a cotton bud in your ear and risk impacting any ear wax, causing an ear infection and temporary loss, or worse, of your hearing. Then you won't be able to determine ANY changes.
You completely fabricated that statement. Show me a single instance from a respectable source that says such a thing. You simply can't do it, which means you have to be lying.
If you're referring to me, try the advice from the NHS or any reputable medical source.
Trust me this fuse is the cheapest mass up grade I’ve ever made unbelievable
As a former teacher of electrical installation both industrial and domestic. I am also a licenced armature radio operator I can only say give us sciences or stop this rubberish, phycology teachers the more we pay for something the more we will justify its cost in our heads. In other words (The Emperors New Clothes).
Try it fool
After installing the £600 SR Purple fuse, I have become more beautiful, richer and in every way more successful. Try it yourself!!
What do you suggest to wash it down with?
@@rejean2744Well, I thought like you and was not even considering bothering let alone trying one. A friend brought a Synergistic Research Quantum fuse and I was blown away. It is better to try one fuse than to upgrade equipement!
A free thick piece of copper sounds better
Not to an "audiophile". Only expensive things sound good to them! 😂
Placebo works ..
Works EVEN BETTER when the prices go higher! 😂
That's funny.
£600 fuse on the plug to a distribution extension with a 50p fuse on a 3 pint plug on his CD?😮
Audiophile mania/ delusion/ fantasy??
cant believe people actually buy this
well, cheap fuses are low quality and they are acting as resistor...better quality fuses dont...its simple
@@Darokkk so simple yes. the fuse has a certain amount of resistance and blows at a certain point.
so if you change a plain old cheap 2 amp fuse with a stupidly expensive 2 amp they will have identical resistance to enable them to blow at the same point. change the resistance and you alter the fuse blow point or amp rating. SIMPLE!!!!
Now I am confused, to upgrade my fuse or not to upgrade my fuse, actually I refuse to believe that a fuse could make any difference to the sound of my hifi, sorry Phil, normally much enjoy your channel by the way🤓
You don't know what our missing Keith. They honestly can make a huge difference. It sound too good to be true but trust me, I've tried them and they can make a difference like changing out your interconnects for a higher grade.
I agree no brainer improvement from purple to master trust me I’m gobsmacked with the master fuse your missing out 600 yes a lot of money but it will be the cheapest improvement you will ever make
Old age join the club sign up and enjoy
I'm just plain con-fused 😅
You certainly would be if you bought one.
It can't be a big mistake... or any mistake at all... if you can send it back and get your money refunded.
Some people probably DO send them back. At $600 each, even if you get 95% of them returned, you're still making money for nothing! 😂 Most "audiophiles" would be too embarrassed to admit they can't actually hear a difference anyway. They'll somehow convince themselves that it *must" sound better, cos some guy on RUclips said so.
wish you would put tea down
Anyone tried QSA fuse as well?
I believe that people hear differences after fitting expensive fuses, but how much is expectation I do not know. Opportunity missed here; Phil could have asked his mate to swap the fancy fuse in and out to see if he could tell which was which blind.
no brainer it’s that good trust me
At 7:24 he said that they went back and forth with the fuse.
He didn't say that they did a blond test, though.
Yes, I heard him say that. It's the blind bit that is crucial though. It isn't just about hearing a difference, but also about which one is 'better'@@peterborelli3877
There's NO WAY anyone could ever pass a double-blind test to tell two fuses apart. No way on Earth. It's ALL in the mind.
utter bilge
What is?
Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. Enzo Ferrari.
Which is why Ferrari race cars use aerodynamics
Oh dear....You've opened a can of worms here cheshireaudio!! All the naysayers chipping in giving you stick and others making fun and posting derogatory comments of your experiences. I think they are just sad individuals and probably the same crowd that says cables don't make a difference. They need to try out these tweeks for themselves before they start shooting off their gobs hiding behind a keyboard.
Personally, I think the "sad" ones are the gullible audiophiles. They will literally believe any old crap. It's utter nonsense. Is there even ONE video online proving that this rubbish makes a difference? A controlled, double-blind test is simple enough to perform...yet NOBODY has ever done one. That's why I think you're "sad". You probably believe in homeopathy, too.
Yes Phil fuses do make a difference but turn the fuse round and that makes a difference sometime small sometimes big!.
Don't he waffle on about nothing
Hmmm.... interesting stuff? But I'm curious....If I got one of these fuses and placed it in the mains plug of (1) a good multplug extension lead or (2) a power regulator .....would it actually influence and sonically improve all the compenents attached....Or do these fuses have to be put into each and every component?