Cliche1: The child hating his parent or parents(for most of the story) for being away or working hard, but the kid doesn't understand that its been to protect them the whole time. Cliche 2: The main character who is typically a loner, seems to always be romantically compatible with the first person he or she meets on their journey.
Cliche 2: Does Miki Falls count on this cliche? No spoilers, but I feel this one was in there somewhere near the end of the first book. Of course, it works in that case.
Cliche 2 is always find in manga/anime and JRPGs. Japan seems to love that but I also found it in Xuan-Yuan Sword EX Gate of Firmament. Once he lost his family and the village he becomes a loner and becomes increasingly attached to a girl from a different world with powers. That falls well under cliche 2.
I saw this one mentioned on Twitter a while ago. The useless/forced romance subplot which ignores that it is entirely possible for a man and a woman to just be friends.
"We're not so different, we have a lot in common, the same earth, the same air, the same sky. Maybe if we started looking at what's the same instead of always looking at what's different... Well, who knows?" - Meowth, from the pokemon anime
It's used in a different way than the typical "we're not so different you and I" speech. The villain is usually trying to convince the hero to join their side or to break them mentally but in that instance it was used to stop the fighting so everyone could live in peace. Fascinating. Thank you for bringing that up.
I’m sure this has already been mentioned but I feel like it happens SO often: A person trips or stumbles and gets into a compromising position with their love interest.
One of my least favorite clichés is this conversation: Friend 1: (conflicted) Hey, [Friend 2]... Friend 2: What? Friend 1: (three second pause, followed by shaking their head) Nevermind. It’s nothing. If I was Friend 2, the conversation would continue like this: Friend 2: (grabs Friend 1’s shoulders and shakes them violently) If it was nothing you wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place so spit it out already!!
I've got 3 for you 1 Firearms never run out of ammo or jam until they're about to be used on a main/named character. 2. Cars have unlimited gears, and you can always show a increase in speed with a gear change. 3 Vehicles can take all manners of abuse in movies and story's and such, yet when a main character spins a baddy car off the road, the either terminally crash or give up the chase entirely.
In the horror genre, when the main character is walking on a dark place some sort of noise can be heard in close proximity. After a moment of tension it is reveal that the source is a cat, or some rats, or anything to that extend. And when you relax, HERE COMES THE JUMPSCARE!
Oh one of the funniest cliches that I always love seeing is when a character goes "I am NOT doing this" or "I do NOT want to go there" and next thing you know the scene cuts to them doing that exact thing, or being in that exact place, and not being thrilled about it in the slightest.
Loki (To Thor): "We're not doing get help." 2 seconds later, Thor runs through the door holding Loki Thor: "Get help! My brother's dying"! That was my favorite.
The one I notice almost every time, is when a character falls in the water, sort of drowns, then gets pulled from the water by the main character who tries to revive him. But apparently doesn’t succeed, so (almost) starts crying. When suddenly the character coughs, spouts out a bulge of water and survives. Yeey, everyone happy!xD It also happens in some other “almost deaths”.
yoni verbugt yup like in San Andreas (2015, spoilers if you haven’t seen it) Where Blake is literally under water for minutes and even seen to take in a lot of water but when Ray rescues her, he tries to revive her for like 1-2 minutes but fails, takes a deep breath and tries again and suddenly succeedes like wow, suprise
I find it even worse, when the saviour almost gives up in frustration and starts hitting the drowned persons chest. And suddenly they wake up. Like, a hit doesn't build any pressure and doesn't pump any blood.
One cliche I've noticed in action/adventure movies is when the love interest (who is usually female) is initially illustrated as strong, powerful and independent, but at the end, despite all their earlier character development, they become utterly helpless to the antagonist, and only the hero (who is usually male) can save them.
Sakura Haruno from Naruto. She had the training and the chakra to heal countless people, and when Sasuke reappears, she falls off to a hopeless kunoichi who can't stop loving him. Even after he threatens the ninja village and her friends...
during a really tense moment when you’re expecting something to happen like a jump scare, a friend of the protagonist pops out instead and laughs. Taking away the tension, only for that friend to be killed or the real jump scare to manifest a moment later.
I think one of the most popular cliches which people might not even notice is the "Yelling/Saying the name of your special moves" cliche which is so common. But I think it's used as a way to remind readers/viewers the name of the ability and it also sounds cool sometimes.
@Mewshrew 12 Yeh but I usually find it cool. I can't really think of a show where it's just annoying. But it might really be the most used cliche. It's no only in anime but a lot of other stuff.
@@dindapriska True. But they literally don't have to say anything. All they have to do is their hand signs then use the ability. But it actually is cooler to hear them yell...RASENGAN!!!.....CHIDORI!!!
I've already said this in the previous video but I'll try to say it this time without waffling on xD The cliche where super close friends end up falling in love with each other, or one develops romantic feelings for the other and the other being oblivious to it, good friends can just stay as good friends ya know.
I'm sure this one was mentioned before..."the one character who everyone thinks will make it all the way till the end of the story is taken out...Ala Gandalf the wizard....yet returns to triumph over the evil".
In a dance movie, about a day before the 'big dance' the characters get in a fight and one of them splits up. Then within minutes or even during the dance that character shows up just in time.
Clichè nr.236: At some point in the story, usually near the climax, an important character to the protagonist is shown in a situation where they seem to be killed, only to show back up later, usually after the climax or to become a "Deus Ex Machina" in the final part of the climax. Often with only a few scratches.
When a character cuts their hair it either means a symbol of their new-found rebellion, or a plot change in the story. Either way something epic is to follow.
Ya know, it occurs to me, this is probably a cliche in film because the visual appearance of a character is so consciously constructed in the first place to ensure you know who they are and what kind of person they are at all times. So they use a makeover/outfit change to help convey that the character as a person has changed significantly, or is going through some kind of important growth phase.
It's actually a cultural thing, depending on the culture. In Japan for example it's normally used this way. It's a symbol of cutting off one's old ways. There is also the visual signal of the character looking different, but sometimes they actually don't the next episode. Because reasons. Now in Europe, on the other hand, hair is more of a symbol of power (huge generalization, I know), so cutting one's hair would be more of a sign of vulnerability or loss of power. It all kind of depends.
My favorite trope is basically a whole book plot. 16-year-old Mary Sue was never like the other girls. She loves cute boy A, but the ~evil corrupt government~ says she has to marry cute boy B! She begins breaking the laws to see cute boy A in secret, while seeing cute boy B while she’s in the public eye. She almost begins to fall in love with cute boy B and doubts her true intentions, but then she decides to *singlehandedly overthrow the government* so that she can be with cute boy A.
Cliche: There’s a one of a kind creature that is discovered in the first movie. In a sequel to that movie we discover that there are more creatures like it. (Examples: How to Train Your Dragon 3, Smurfs: The Lost Village)
One cleché that really bothers me is when in a story (usually at the beginning) a quirky screwup character who is seemingly good for nothing ends up being "the chosen one" and is sent on a mission to the dismay of his friends.
Blushies are cliché but they are necessary :D love your drawing, it amazes me how you can make a simple chibi drawing look so pretty and makes me want to buy one of your books.
14:27 That one, I got very irritated when that cliche happened in the finale of Gravity Falls. Though I believe it was because I was invested in the characters feelings, and felt the SEVERITY of the situation and threat of the villain!
Here’s a cliché I hate: the underdog/powerless/normal main character inherits/is given the strongest power in the universe. They instantly go from the bottom of the pecking order to the top. It’s like overcompensating for their weakness or misfortune (or just being a regular person). Example: My Hero Academia. As much as I love that show, I wish Deku had stayed quirkless and learned to be a hero in his own way. He already had the know-how (from studying other heroes) and most importantly, the heart. But of course, it wouldn’t be a cool shounen anime if he couldn’t do flashy super moves, so...let’s give this “loser” the most amazing quirk ever in the first five episodes. Sigh. At least he’s had to train and learn to use it properly, so he’s not the world’s greatest hero yet.
If you edited together a super-cut from movies and TV of every scene of a person jolting upright in bed gasping for air after a dream it would be 500 hours long.
“Coming right up our expose on conveniently place newscasts in tv shows, but first Peter look out for that skateboard” Peter: ahhhhhhh *falls on the floor*
When the characters say, "This isn't like one of those cartoon/movies/video game", even though they are fictional characters in a fictional story. It's kind of a weird self awareness that sometimes feels like it's trying too hard to separate itself from what came before it.
Regarding cliché 2 about characters immediately being able to master any new power thrust upon them; I really do hate that one because to me it is often just a cheap way to let the hero win without putting anything into the effort. It's one of the reasons I love My Hero Academia so much. The main protagonist gets this incredible new power but it's so strong that even after a massive body training program the power still breaks his bones we he goes to use it; he has to train to master it over time. Then when he starts to manifest new powers they also start to cause problems until he can master them
oh big agree, and a lot of the times their character dynamic makes no sense and is just "haha bad evil man has revelation woah he's good guy now hahah"
There's actual sense in DBZ series because Saiyans are naturally born evil and ruthless. The reason why Goku isn't evil is because he had a head injury as a child and Vegeta is considered an "abnormal" because he is a prince so he would actually have affection for his partner since as a prince he would need a wife to reproduce to keep the royal blood line going but for others he would remain ruthless and it's shows
@@AnimeGirlYaoiChan Your logic is false. Goku 's dad Bardock is just an ordinary brave saiyan. But he is married and shows affection for his wife. Also, it's not just for Saiyan, character like Piccolo, Buu and others also falls in this category. But it's not like I loathe this cliché like falling in lewd position. As long as it makes sense, go for it.
I think it's actually a stronger victory if the villain is not killed but recruted. But it's very hard to get right and very easy to make it cheap. Also, there can only be forgiveness, when there was something evil. You can't forgive a good guy, cause he hasn't done anything wrong. But again, there has to be the right background for it. Naruto inherently believes in the good in people and tries to be friends with everybody. (Maybe a lot of shonen protagonists are, i don't watch that much anime). So there is at least some reason to him forgiving some villains. But I get that this character trait in itself can get annoying, because forgiveness seams to be so utopical.
@@Radies-chan Naruto abuses it the most. Like every main villain other than Danzo, Kaguya and Zetsu was forgiven instantly. Like All of them. Power of Talk no Jutsu. Itachi, guy who Slaughtered whole Uchiha clan. Sasuke who desired to destroy Hidden leaf village the most. Pain who actually destroyed the Hidden Leaf village. Madara and Obito who created the whole mess, were instantly forgiven. Yes there was redemption, and I don't loathe it, but it got repetitive.
One cliché that actually bugs me is the "my friends are my power"-cliché. It is when a character, usually in anime, manga and Japanese game, suddenly gets more powerful or more motivated because his/her friends are cheering them on. It as also often accompanied with a line like "I won because I had help from my friends" or the like.
@@Kongaslam Then again, the only time I remember "Friendship" being used as an actual power up in Kingdom Hearts was not by Sora, but by Aqua at the end of BBS, and it was through actual magical trinkets (Wayfinders). They just talk about friendship an awful lot.
The Time Skip. The story has suddenly jumped ahead a few years. The protagonist has completed his or her training off-screen. The main characters are sporting new looks. A new enemy has risen in power. And any unpopular characters and convoluted plot points are conveniently dropped.
Thank you for these awesome videos! I'm always listening to your great advice when drawing! This is actually educational content that is motivating and fun !
Congratulations on all your books, Mark. We can tell you work really hard (maybe harder than you let us know). I really enjoy not just your drawing, but also tips on creating stories.
Another cliche: (Usually in TV and movies) the main character gets a hallucination of a famous public figure or historical figure and it gives them advice. Many times this hallucination is started by looking at a photo or statue of that public figure
i hate this one: "I have a plan, but you have to trust me" then proceeds to not tell the plan at all leaving everyone in the dark for no reason until the minute before the "plan" starts
Emerson Branham yeah, like it isn’t hard to run. I do see the other sight tho. You are focusing so hard to get away from villain/monster that you don’t always pay attention to your surrounding but running isn’t the most complex thing to do
Ironic Kid But before that he and Nappa killed a bunch of people on Earth when they first arrived, including Yamcha, also Vegeta slaughtered a bunch of Namekians, and Bulma was so terrified of him she had a dream about him coming to murder her on Namek. But when they got back to Earth - even after he bragged about killing Namekians and laughed himself silly over it while everyone stood there looking pissed knowing they couldn’t do anything to him because he was way stronger than them (one of my favorite scenes lol) everyone basically forgave him pretty quickly and Bulma immediately offered to let him stay at her house lol. So yeah not realistic at all and definitely fits the cliche. Vegeta was such a bastard 😂
@@BijinMCMXC Lol Vegeta also loved beating up Gohan who was 5-7 years old in Namek. It was not his actions but Goku's endorsement (because he was the last of his kind) which humanized Vegeta in his friend's eyes. But it took him many years until the end of the Buu Saga where Vegeta truly changed when he sacrficed himself and finally acknowledged Goku to save his son and wife. Vegeta was such a bastard, but he was a very complicated bastard who was very compelling. We as a viewer wanted him to change and that in my eyes is good enough.
1: The evil bad guy spawns every 1000 years and the heroes have to seal him back again. 2: Zombie apocalypse due to a virus or necromancy. 3. Teenagers at private military academies fight the forces of evil.
I have one: When characters want to explain themselves, usually from a disagreement, they start out by saying "Look..." and then start explaining their reasoning. I've never heard anyone say this in real life lol.
A movie starts with a kid asking his parents for some sort of privilege in a dramatic way, but since the camera is so close to his face we all know his just talking to a fish bowl. (You can also substitute in a salaryman asking for a pay raise)
When a character secretly (or not secretly) sends out a message asking for help earlier on before the final battle, and then later during the battle they are starting to lose, but when all hope seems lost, the backup arrives (usually with a witty one-liner) and they help turn the tide of the fight
One cliche that I personally find in just about everything is the character who exists purely for comedic relief. Some authors do it right by giving them proper depth and development, but all too often they seem to simply be there as a plot device rather than an actual believable person. Also, love these videos, Mark! Keep up the great work!
One cliche that just came to mind is the protagonist finally gathering the courage to tell someone something really important and in that very moment the person wants to say something as well so they go first and say something concerning the really important thing which makes the protagonist change their mind and come up with a lie to not disappoint the other person
The person who teaches a young mage or fighter to be good and honorable only to be revealed as the real bad guy. Often using the young warrior / mage to remove an old enemy before turning on the warrior / mage.
Siblings that mistreat each other all the time and treat this as something normal. Then something awful happens to one of them and the other one suddenly shows empathy. Then they go back to normal. Bonus points if they say 'Nobody torments my sibling but me!'
Regarding Aang becomming the "master" of a new element in a short time over others that have practiced it for years: I guess, to some degree, one could argue that Aang was an extremely good air bender and if one knows one element, some knowledge should be transferable when practicing to bend another element after figuring out the kinks, resulting in faster progress. Similar to artists and new mediums. However, I never actually took "master" of the element as being the very best in that element. I understood it more as having mastered it instead. A stage where Aang can say he is now fully able to bend the new element, but he still isnt the best. But perhaps Im wrong😅
My most hated cliche's is one of the main protagonist leaves and join the bad guys without giving a reason and hurt her/his friends, but later while he/she fighting the other protagonist explains that he/she do that to save the others, it's makes no sense at all. I saw tons of anime have this kind of cliche in variation. sorry for my bad english.
I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the most vile cliches: _An ancient evil awakens._ And that happens usually because some evildoer goes on a journey to try to awaken it, or some fool accidentally unleashes it.
Mark was the one who first taught me, through his videos, how do draw people when I was a teenager. Now I'm studying art in college and he's STILL adding blushies to everything. There's always some small thing to lend a sense of stability in the turbulence of life. And perhaps blushies are what we truly needed all along.
I'm working on writing a manga series, and I'm going to include every cliché in the book, but having the protagonist call the person or villain out for being so cliché before kicking their ass.
If you think about it, a huge new break will be on most all channels (we interrupt this local broadcasting to bring you a news break) it happens in real life all the time, so it's possible they turned the TV on and a news flash was in progress already
Every time, and I mean EVERY time, when someone is defusing a bomb, they will always have a decent amount of time left before it detonates, but then screw something up with it, causing the timer to speed up, or skip to the last minute or something. Then, with a ridiculous amount of luck, they successfully defuse the bomb with 0,01 seconds left. (Yes, I did see this on Gotham just yesterday)
Just after ''we are not so different, you and I'' comes the sempiternal: ''imagine, our forces together, we could conquer the world'' xD - It is nice you bring the point that clichés can still work, i recently watched a video of tips that totally discredited clichés, and if i was to believe all they say, 3/4 of manga and anime people like would never make it. I think the point is, no promt or cliché is bad per say, but they have to be exploited in an interesting and original way. When someone says something is overdone, i like to take it as a challenge to imagine a new way for making it work :)
If the writers want a girl character to be "strong and independent", they just make her bossy, mean, and an unreasonably amazing fighter who wins every battle. I've also noticed that in anime, a lot of girls are either pushy and aggressive, or ditsy and always gushing over some guy.
I don't know if this is mentioned yet but: When two characters are in a relationship or are getting close and they're on a bus or walking and one almost falls down or almost gets hit by a bike or something (usually the girl) , and the other person (usually the guy) wraps them into their arms or pulls them out of the way and they get really close and intimate for like a second
Disclaimer me Jacob commenting under Nita's account and not nita herself.the 2 main characters who have become good friends throughout the story or perhaps already knew each other and or .were friends prior to the beginning of the storydo something the other one doesn't like like messing up their plan to catch the badguy for example and they get into a argument and say we're not friends anymore and fine I don't need you anyway and go their separate ways for awhile or for a short period of time before reuniting and making up and becoming friends again.
Just did this one myself unintentionally. After meeting someone new, the main character requests something of them. The stranger refuses, unwilling to compromise or even consider the idea. And then bandits attack, someone is endangered, or something happens that only the main character can fix. And so the mc does so, and the stranger says something along the lines of "You're not so bad. Go ahead and do whatever you wanted before." That level of convenient timing is at the same level as plot armor in my eyes.
I really like these videos! Here are some clichés I've noticed: when the 'lost heir' doesn't realize who they are for nearly the whole story... and then becomes an amazing ruler without any experience... when the royal kids are sent off to live like peasants which invariably results in them straightening up instead of becoming bitter... when the main girl character beats up the main guy because she needs to prove that she can (I mean, if you're that good, you shouldn't be proving anything, it's against the law)… when the student says: 'I'll never be as good as you' and the master always answers: 'no, you're better'
Hey Mark, I'd like to hear your suggestions on returning to art... Say your arm has been in a cast for 9 months or you've been on tight deadlines the past semester of college.... How would you approach retaking the torch?
16:40 plot twist: They close the cabinet and there's nothing in the mirror, turn around and there's something there (that doesn't appear in mirrors) (I can imagine this happening in Supernatural). To make this a little harder to predict, don't make it a vampire.
I want to get your mastering manga if i ever go out again if i go to hobby lobby i might get it because i love your advice on menga and I love your drawings! Be careful stay safe!😍🤗🤗
Frozen maybe? I might have been oblivious while watching the movie but I really didnt see Hans being a villain till that part came up. Frozen could've did this cliche very well,but your comment reminded of this.
The main protagonist punches (assaults) a bulky antagonist to no avail showing off just how weak the protagonist is even though we know that s/he will defeat said bulky antagonist in the end somehow.
The cliché I noticed in horror type situations is someone with a group goes off on their own to investigate a mysterious shadow or sound only to meet their demise when they probably would have been safer staying with the group.
And most of the time they don't call the police even tho there's blood and signs of some kind of murder but the characters are like no we'll just investigate this.
I was thinking about that shy character that just have to overcome her or his shyness! Because apparently being shy is a "bad thing in comics and movies ... That is so annoying I think.
I really loved Game of Thrones, but as i reached the 4th book, fatigue set in and I started looking for these kinds of things, and they started to stick out. We're more likely to miss them when we generally enjoy an artist's works.
I've been binge watching your channel this past week; thank you for sharing so much of your knowledge and art, Mr. Crilley! ❤🙂 One of the cliché things that bothers me most is when the "hot guy" is a total creep/abusive/manipulating/whatnot, and no one thinks to get a restraining order on him or anything, they're just all cool with it because he's pretty or whatever. Can go the other way, too, if a girl is really nasty and her love interest just sucks it up for no good reasons instead of telling her and trying to work things out or something.
Thanks for choosing my comment! I agree, this cliché can be used well to maintain suspense. It was a staple of the TV show "House", a very successful medical drama. I remember the Cunninghams constantly being interrupted by the Fonz or Richie before kissing. That may be the earliest example I can remember (from youtube clips of course, I'm not THAT old).
Are they clichés, I don't know??? I was commenting about this topic to friends that want to be fiction novelist. My comment center in the idea that everything depends on the age and sophistication of your audience. Let me compare two quotes to make my point. G.K. Chesterton said, "fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." Stephen King said, "monsters are real, and ghost are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." This is my argument: Maybe for an adult the happily ever after story is a cliché but not to a child. Maybe for a young adult confronting a heartbreak is not a cliché but for a husband with teenage kids that is a cliché. G.K. Chesterton gives us a glimpse of a child view of the world. Stephen King a view to an adult's who still struggles with his inner ghost. In Ecclesiaste 1:9 (NIV) says "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. The question has to be asked not on the perspective of the author's wants and needs but on the perspective of the audience. Who is your audience? What are their struggles? What is your (author's) view on the problem? Even if the solution is well known your perspective (the author's) is unique. Therefore I say there is no such thing as a cliché if your experience is new to your audience.
So... on Tuesday I was convinced that it was Friday and was very upset that there wasn’t a new Crilley video out... I was very happy when I realized what day it was. 😁
4:50 One example of a story that a 'bad guy' flipping to the hero's side is Avatar: The Last Airbender. *spoilers* They build up his internal conflict for upwards of half the show, but even after he decisively chooses where he wants to be, initially Team Avatar don't accept him. It takes him going on little (very fun and sometimes genuinely emotional) side adventures that shows his good side, and even then characters like Katara don't move on 100% and are suspicious pretty much up until the end of the show.
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Cliche1: The child hating his parent or parents(for most of the story) for being away or working hard, but the kid doesn't understand that its been to protect them the whole time.
Cliche 2: The main character who is typically a loner, seems to always be romantically compatible with the first person he or she meets on their journey.
Ah I hate number 2! With a burning passion..
I find cliche 2 in animes most of the time
Cliche 2: Does Miki Falls count on this cliche? No spoilers, but I feel this one was in there somewhere near the end of the first book. Of course, it works in that case.
Cliche 2 is always find in manga/anime and JRPGs. Japan seems to love that but I also found it in Xuan-Yuan Sword EX Gate of Firmament. Once he lost his family and the village he becomes a loner and becomes increasingly attached to a girl from a different world with powers. That falls well under cliche 2.
Number 1 is real life lol
I saw this one mentioned on Twitter a while ago.
The useless/forced romance subplot which ignores that it is entirely possible for a man and a woman to just be friends.
Hollywood hates this comment with a burning passion.
CHIZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"We're not so different, we have a lot in common, the same earth, the same air, the same sky. Maybe if we started looking at what's the same instead of always looking at what's different... Well, who knows?"
- Meowth, from the pokemon anime
It's used in a different way than the typical "we're not so different you and I" speech. The villain is usually trying to convince the hero to join their side or to break them mentally but in that instance it was used to stop the fighting so everyone could live in peace. Fascinating. Thank you for bringing that up.
I think I know what episode you mean. It involved Ash’s Chimchar right?
@@mushroomdude123 It's from the first Pokémon Movie. I like that scene, it's kinda cute.
@@Dawnshade1 I agree
Meowth is my favorite Pokemon!
I’m sure this has already been mentioned but I feel like it happens SO often: A person trips or stumbles and gets into a compromising position with their love interest.
One of my least favorite clichés is this conversation:
Friend 1: (conflicted) Hey, [Friend 2]...
Friend 2: What?
Friend 1: (three second pause, followed by shaking their head) Nevermind. It’s nothing.
If I was Friend 2, the conversation would continue like this:
Friend 2: (grabs Friend 1’s shoulders and shakes them violently) If it was nothing you wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place so spit it out already!!
CLiche: tripping over something at the last minute possible in front of the love interest
Haha this happen to me
I've got 3 for you
1 Firearms never run out of ammo or jam until they're about to be used on a main/named character.
2. Cars have unlimited gears, and you can always show a increase in speed with a gear change.
3 Vehicles can take all manners of abuse in movies and story's and such, yet when a main character spins a baddy car off the road, the either terminally crash or give up the chase entirely.
In the horror genre, when the main character is walking on a dark place some sort of noise can be heard in close proximity. After a moment of tension it is reveal that the source is a cat, or some rats, or anything to that extend. And when you relax, HERE COMES THE JUMPSCARE!
Get the shields down.
Tension, relea-TENSION!
Oh one of the funniest cliches that I always love seeing is when a character goes "I am NOT doing this" or "I do NOT want to go there" and next thing you know the scene cuts to them doing that exact thing, or being in that exact place, and not being thrilled about it in the slightest.
Lycareki I agree. I love it 😂
"we are not doing get help"
I was fanboying so hard when I saw my comment! I really appreciate your response and view on it! Thanks for another great video, Crills McCrilldog!
I concur!
Character: “I wouldn’t EVER do that thing you want me to do!”
-cut to the character doing that thing -
I wouldn't post a comment...
@@ClulesslLobster I wouldn't respond to you
@@Octoboobs I wouldn't say a thing...
Loki (To Thor): "We're not doing get help."
2 seconds later, Thor runs through the door holding Loki
Thor: "Get help! My brother's dying"!
That was my favorite.
The one I notice almost every time, is when a character falls in the water, sort of drowns, then gets pulled from the water by the main character who tries to revive him. But apparently doesn’t succeed, so (almost) starts crying. When suddenly the character coughs, spouts out a bulge of water and survives. Yeey, everyone happy!xD It also happens in some other “almost deaths”.
yoni verbugt yup like in San Andreas (2015, spoilers if you haven’t seen it)
Where Blake is literally under water for minutes and even seen to take in a lot of water but when Ray rescues her, he tries to revive her for like 1-2 minutes but fails, takes a deep breath and tries again and suddenly succeedes like wow, suprise
Xander exactly!
That is the exact moment in my book 😂😂
I find it even worse, when the saviour almost gives up in frustration and starts hitting the drowned persons chest. And suddenly they wake up. Like, a hit doesn't build any pressure and doesn't pump any blood.
@@Radies-chan The Abyss is the funniest example of this.
Avatar: We are not so different, you and I.
Anime: I know.
One cliche I've noticed in action/adventure movies is when the love interest (who is usually female) is initially illustrated as strong, powerful and independent, but at the end, despite all their earlier character development, they become utterly helpless to the antagonist, and only the hero (who is usually male) can save them.
Kat H. Oooo that’s a good one
SAO in a nutshell.
Sakura Haruno from Naruto. She had the training and the chakra to heal countless people, and when Sasuke reappears, she falls off to a hopeless kunoichi who can't stop loving him. Even after he threatens the ninja village and her friends...
(In anime) When the main character gets this newfound strength cause they remembered they have friends
Fairy Tail
Yugioh
@@floatingpyro2050 They basically just asspull the card they need at the last moment.
Still didn't do my favorite one...
The sudden inexplicable noise that turns out to just happen to be a cat.
and after the characters are relieved that it's just a cat, the real monster pops out.
Always a cat.
yes but after years of having cats. its always the got dang cat
during a really tense moment when you’re expecting something to happen like a jump scare, a friend of the protagonist pops out instead and laughs. Taking away the tension, only for that friend to be killed or the real jump scare to manifest a moment later.
I think one of the most popular cliches which people might not even notice is the "Yelling/Saying the name of your special moves" cliche which is so common. But I think it's used as a way to remind readers/viewers the name of the ability and it also sounds cool sometimes.
That covers basically almost every ninjutsu/abilities in Naruto
@Mewshrew 12 Yeh but I usually find it cool. I can't really think of a show where it's just annoying. But it might really be the most used cliche. It's no only in anime but a lot of other stuff.
@@dindapriska True. But they literally don't have to say anything. All they have to do is their hand signs then use the ability. But it actually is cooler to hear them yell...RASENGAN!!!.....CHIDORI!!!
Can you imagine Rocky movies where they yell every move they do?
@@Carbon2861996 That would actually be pretty funny.
the blushies are never cliché !!
I've already said this in the previous video but I'll try to say it this time without waffling on xD
The cliche where super close friends end up falling in love with each other, or one develops romantic feelings for the other and the other being oblivious to it, good friends can just stay as good friends ya know.
Star vs. the Forces of Evil. Ugh..
That ruined FMA Brotherhood for me
Pacific rim :)
I'm sure this one was mentioned before..."the one character who everyone thinks will make it all the way till the end of the story is taken out...Ala Gandalf the wizard....yet returns to triumph over the evil".
The crossover episode where everyone is immediately buddies or after a short misunderstanding
In a dance movie, about a day before the 'big dance' the characters get in a fight and one of them splits up. Then within minutes or even during the dance that character shows up just in time.
Most of the step up movies tbh.
*flips table*
Clichè nr.236: At some point in the story, usually near the climax, an important character to the protagonist is shown in a situation where they seem to be killed, only to show back up later, usually after the climax or to become a "Deus Ex Machina" in the final part of the climax. Often with only a few scratches.
A cliché I've seen a lot is that NONE of the main/important characters die, or they do, but it get's retconned in the next book/episode/movie.
Christian Emerson So comic book movies?
@@youseineko Yes. And anime.
plot armor
Laughs in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
The promised neverland,huehuehue
When a character cuts their hair it either means a symbol of their new-found rebellion, or a plot change in the story. Either way something epic is to follow.
Yup. That goes for a makeover in general too. Sometimes its just a change in clothing and stuff
Ya know, it occurs to me, this is probably a cliche in film because the visual appearance of a character is so consciously constructed in the first place to ensure you know who they are and what kind of person they are at all times. So they use a makeover/outfit change to help convey that the character as a person has changed significantly, or is going through some kind of important growth phase.
That's like a real life cliche, not just fiction
It's actually a cultural thing, depending on the culture. In Japan for example it's normally used this way. It's a symbol of cutting off one's old ways.
There is also the visual signal of the character looking different, but sometimes they actually don't the next episode. Because reasons.
Now in Europe, on the other hand, hair is more of a symbol of power (huge generalization, I know), so cutting one's hair would be more of a sign of vulnerability or loss of power.
It all kind of depends.
I really enjoy how many different art stiles you are able to draw and teach your viewers. From ultra realistic to manga you are teaching it all ^^
Yay! This went up at just the right time! Was about to take a break, and now am gonna enjoy this video during my break!
Cliché: When the master of the story's hero is very unfriendly, mean and just is a horrible person while teaching said hero. Classic.
*cough* *cough* Whiplash
My favorite trope is basically a whole book plot. 16-year-old Mary Sue was never like the other girls. She loves cute boy A, but the ~evil corrupt government~ says she has to marry cute boy B! She begins breaking the laws to see cute boy A in secret, while seeing cute boy B while she’s in the public eye. She almost begins to fall in love with cute boy B and doubts her true intentions, but then she decides to *singlehandedly overthrow the government* so that she can be with cute boy A.
Cliche: There’s a one of a kind creature that is discovered in the first movie. In a sequel to that movie we discover that there are more creatures like it. (Examples: How to Train Your Dragon 3, Smurfs: The Lost Village)
One cleché that really bothers me is when in a story (usually at the beginning) a quirky screwup character who is seemingly good for nothing ends up being "the chosen one" and is sent on a mission to the dismay of his friends.
In one arch of the story, the hero and villain have a grudge but in a later arch they join forces to combat a greater foe.
Blushies are cliché but they are necessary :D love your drawing, it amazes me how you can make a simple chibi drawing look so pretty and makes me want to buy one of your books.
14:27 That one, I got very irritated when that cliche happened in the finale of Gravity Falls. Though I believe it was because I was invested in the characters feelings, and felt the SEVERITY of the situation and threat of the villain!
Here’s a cliché I hate: the underdog/powerless/normal main character inherits/is given the strongest power in the universe. They instantly go from the bottom of the pecking order to the top. It’s like overcompensating for their weakness or misfortune (or just being a regular person).
Example: My Hero Academia. As much as I love that show, I wish Deku had stayed quirkless and learned to be a hero in his own way. He already had the know-how (from studying other heroes) and most importantly, the heart. But of course, it wouldn’t be a cool shounen anime if he couldn’t do flashy super moves, so...let’s give this “loser” the most amazing quirk ever in the first five episodes. Sigh.
At least he’s had to train and learn to use it properly, so he’s not the world’s greatest hero yet.
If you edited together a super-cut from movies and TV of every scene of a person jolting upright in bed gasping for air after a dream it would be 500 hours long.
“Coming right up our expose on conveniently place newscasts in tv shows, but first Peter look out for that skateboard”
Peter: ahhhhhhh *falls on the floor*
When the characters say, "This isn't like one of those cartoon/movies/video game", even though they are fictional characters in a fictional story. It's kind of a weird self awareness that sometimes feels like it's trying too hard to separate itself from what came before it.
Regarding cliché 2 about characters immediately being able to master any new power thrust upon them; I really do hate that one because to me it is often just a cheap way to let the hero win without putting anything into the effort.
It's one of the reasons I love My Hero Academia so much. The main protagonist gets this incredible new power but it's so strong that even after a massive body training program the power still breaks his bones we he goes to use it; he has to train to master it over time. Then when he starts to manifest new powers they also start to cause problems until he can master them
XilverXoul I was thinking the same thing! I absolutely agree!
3rd one
Bad guy getting instantly forgiven is very much in Naruto and Dragon ball. And most Shonen crap.
oh big agree, and a lot of the times their character dynamic makes no sense and is just "haha bad evil man has revelation woah he's good guy now hahah"
There's actual sense in DBZ series because Saiyans are naturally born evil and ruthless. The reason why Goku isn't evil is because he had a head injury as a child and Vegeta is considered an "abnormal" because he is a prince so he would actually have affection for his partner since as a prince he would need a wife to reproduce to keep the royal blood line going but for others he would remain ruthless and it's shows
@@AnimeGirlYaoiChan Your logic is false.
Goku 's dad Bardock is just an ordinary brave saiyan. But he is married and shows affection for his wife.
Also, it's not just for Saiyan, character like Piccolo, Buu and others also falls in this category.
But it's not like I loathe this cliché like falling in lewd position.
As long as it makes sense, go for it.
I think it's actually a stronger victory if the villain is not killed but recruted. But it's very hard to get right and very easy to make it cheap.
Also, there can only be forgiveness, when there was something evil. You can't forgive a good guy, cause he hasn't done anything wrong. But again, there has to be the right background for it.
Naruto inherently believes in the good in people and tries to be friends with everybody. (Maybe a lot of shonen protagonists are, i don't watch that much anime).
So there is at least some reason to him forgiving some villains. But I get that this character trait in itself can get annoying, because forgiveness seams to be so utopical.
@@Radies-chan Naruto abuses it the most.
Like every main villain other than Danzo, Kaguya and Zetsu was forgiven instantly. Like All of them.
Power of Talk no Jutsu.
Itachi, guy who Slaughtered whole Uchiha clan.
Sasuke who desired to destroy Hidden leaf village the most.
Pain who actually destroyed the Hidden Leaf village.
Madara and Obito who created the whole mess, were instantly forgiven.
Yes there was redemption, and I don't loathe it, but it got repetitive.
One cliché that actually bugs me is the "my friends are my power"-cliché. It is when a character, usually in anime, manga and Japanese game, suddenly gets more powerful or more motivated because his/her friends are cheering them on. It as also often accompanied with a line like "I won because I had help from my friends" or the like.
Sora kingdom hearts. My FrIeNdS aRe My PoWeR. The power of friendship compels you. 🤮
@@Kongaslam Then again, the only time I remember "Friendship" being used as an actual power up in Kingdom Hearts was not by Sora, but by Aqua at the end of BBS, and it was through actual magical trinkets (Wayfinders).
They just talk about friendship an awful lot.
Fairy Tail in a nutshell.
There’s a term for this and it’s called the power of friendship and it’s a trope at this point.
The Time Skip.
The story has suddenly jumped ahead a few years. The protagonist has completed his or her training off-screen. The main characters are sporting new looks. A new enemy has risen in power. And any unpopular characters and convoluted plot points are conveniently dropped.
"You are you. You're good just the way you are!" -Socrates (probably)
Thank you for these awesome videos! I'm always listening to your great advice when drawing! This is actually educational content that is motivating and fun !
Congratulations on all your books, Mark. We can tell you work really hard (maybe harder than you let us know).
I really enjoy not just your drawing, but also tips on creating stories.
Another cliche:
(Usually in TV and movies) the main character gets a hallucination of a famous public figure or historical figure and it gives them advice. Many times this hallucination is started by looking at a photo or statue of that public figure
There were old educational short films that operated on this principle.
Also hallucinations of talking animals, men dressed as bars of soap, etc.
i hate this one:
"I have a plan, but you have to trust me" then proceeds to not tell the plan at all leaving everyone in the dark for no reason until the minute before the "plan" starts
Another cliche. In horror movies, people keep tripping when they run away from monsters or serial killers.
Emerson Branham yeah, like it isn’t hard to run. I do see the other sight tho. You are focusing so hard to get away from villain/monster that you don’t always pay attention to your surrounding but running isn’t the most complex thing to do
Remember when Vegeta blew up a few planets wiping out millions or even billions of innocent lives. Don't worry. He's a good guy now.
It didn't happen over night though. It took awhile for his character development which it should if you want to be more realistic
He was exactly who I thought of lol
Ironic Kid But before that he and Nappa killed a bunch of people on Earth when they first arrived, including Yamcha, also Vegeta slaughtered a bunch of Namekians, and Bulma was so terrified of him she had a dream about him coming to murder her on Namek. But when they got back to Earth - even after he bragged about killing Namekians and laughed himself silly over it while everyone stood there looking pissed knowing they couldn’t do anything to him because he was way stronger than them (one of my favorite scenes lol) everyone basically forgave him pretty quickly and Bulma immediately offered to let him stay at her house lol. So yeah not realistic at all and definitely fits the cliche. Vegeta was such a bastard 😂
@@BijinMCMXC Lol Vegeta also loved beating up Gohan who was 5-7 years old in Namek. It was not his actions but Goku's endorsement (because he was the last of his kind) which humanized Vegeta in his friend's eyes. But it took him many years until the end of the Buu Saga where Vegeta truly changed when he sacrficed himself and finally acknowledged Goku to save his son and wife. Vegeta was such a bastard, but he was a very complicated bastard who was very compelling. We as a viewer wanted him to change and that in my eyes is good enough.
"Do you wanna talk about it?"
"No, I'm fine..."
1: The evil bad guy spawns every 1000 years and the heroes have to seal him back again.
2: Zombie apocalypse due to a virus or necromancy.
3. Teenagers at private military academies fight the forces of evil.
I have one: When characters want to explain themselves, usually from a disagreement, they start out by saying "Look..." and then start explaining their reasoning. I've never heard anyone say this in real life lol.
I do that in real life...
A movie starts with a kid asking his parents for some sort of privilege in a dramatic way, but since the camera is so close to his face we all know his just talking to a fish bowl.
(You can also substitute in a salaryman asking for a pay raise)
When a character secretly (or not secretly) sends out a message asking for help earlier on before the final battle, and then later during the battle they are starting to lose, but when all hope seems lost, the backup arrives (usually with a witty one-liner) and they help turn the tide of the fight
One cliche that I personally find in just about everything is the character who exists purely for comedic relief. Some authors do it right by giving them proper depth and development, but all too often they seem to simply be there as a plot device rather than an actual believable person.
Also, love these videos, Mark! Keep up the great work!
One cliche that just came to mind is the protagonist finally gathering the courage to tell someone something really important and in that very moment the person wants to say something as well so they go first and say something concerning the really important thing which makes the protagonist change their mind and come up with a lie to not disappoint the other person
The person who teaches a young mage or fighter to be good and honorable only to be revealed as the real bad guy. Often using the young warrior / mage to remove an old enemy before turning on the warrior / mage.
Siblings that mistreat each other all the time and treat this as something normal. Then something awful happens to one of them and the other one suddenly shows empathy. Then they go back to normal. Bonus points if they say 'Nobody torments my sibling but me!'
8 remembers me on Star Lord in Infinity War
I know right?! 😂😂😂
You have such a friendly and sincere voice, I love you! Keep up the good work!
"We see this in Avatar."
Raises pitchfork
"...The James Cameron movie."
Lowers pitchfork
I was thinking the same thing😂
Regarding Aang becomming the "master" of a new element in a short time over others that have practiced it for years: I guess, to some degree, one could argue that Aang was an extremely good air bender and if one knows one element, some knowledge should be transferable when practicing to bend another element after figuring out the kinks, resulting in faster progress. Similar to artists and new mediums. However, I never actually took "master" of the element as being the very best in that element. I understood it more as having mastered it instead. A stage where Aang can say he is now fully able to bend the new element, but he still isnt the best. But perhaps Im wrong😅
My most hated cliche's is one of the main protagonist leaves and join the bad guys without giving a reason and hurt her/his friends, but later while he/she fighting the other protagonist explains that he/she do that to save the others, it's makes no sense at all. I saw tons of anime have this kind of cliche in variation. sorry for my bad english.
I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the most vile cliches: _An ancient evil awakens._ And that happens usually because some evildoer goes on a journey to try to awaken it, or some fool accidentally unleashes it.
Mark was the one who first taught me, through his videos, how do draw people when I was a teenager. Now I'm studying art in college and he's STILL adding blushies to everything.
There's always some small thing to lend a sense of stability in the turbulence of life. And perhaps blushies are what we truly needed all along.
I'm working on writing a manga series, and I'm going to include every cliché in the book, but having the protagonist call the person or villain out for being so cliché before kicking their ass.
Woooo I've never been this early! Love you mark! :D
If you think about it, a huge new break will be on most all channels (we interrupt this local broadcasting to bring you a news break) it happens in real life all the time, so it's possible they turned the TV on and a news flash was in progress already
Every time, and I mean EVERY time, when someone is defusing a bomb, they will always have a decent amount of time left before it detonates, but then screw something up with it, causing the timer to speed up, or skip to the last minute or something.
Then, with a ridiculous amount of luck, they successfully defuse the bomb with 0,01 seconds left.
(Yes, I did see this on Gotham just yesterday)
Just after ''we are not so different, you and I'' comes the sempiternal: ''imagine, our forces together, we could conquer the world'' xD - It is nice you bring the point that clichés can still work, i recently watched a video of tips that totally discredited clichés, and if i was to believe all they say, 3/4 of manga and anime people like would never make it. I think the point is, no promt or cliché is bad per say, but they have to be exploited in an interesting and original way. When someone says something is overdone, i like to take it as a challenge to imagine a new way for making it work :)
Great video as always mark!👌
If the writers want a girl character to be "strong and independent", they just make her bossy, mean, and an unreasonably amazing fighter who wins every battle. I've also noticed that in anime, a lot of girls are either pushy and aggressive, or ditsy and always gushing over some guy.
I don't know if this is mentioned yet but:
When two characters are in a relationship or are getting close and they're on a bus or walking and one almost falls down or almost gets hit by a bike or something (usually the girl) , and the other person (usually the guy) wraps them into their arms or pulls them out of the way and they get really close and intimate for like a second
Well, here's a cliche I see a lot : The main character seen as intelligent but lacks common sense because they're the "lone wolf".
Disclaimer me Jacob commenting under Nita's account and not nita herself.the 2 main characters who have become good friends throughout the story or perhaps already knew each other and or .were friends prior to the beginning of the storydo something the other one doesn't like like messing up their plan to catch the badguy for example and they get into a argument and say we're not friends anymore and fine I don't need you anyway and go their separate ways for awhile or for a short period of time before reuniting and making up and becoming friends again.
Just did this one myself unintentionally. After meeting someone new, the main character requests something of them. The stranger refuses, unwilling to compromise or even consider the idea. And then bandits attack, someone is endangered, or something happens that only the main character can fix. And so the mc does so, and the stranger says something along the lines of "You're not so bad. Go ahead and do whatever you wanted before." That level of convenient timing is at the same level as plot armor in my eyes.
I really like these videos! Here are some clichés I've noticed: when the 'lost heir' doesn't realize who they are for nearly the whole story... and then becomes an amazing ruler without any experience... when the royal kids are sent off to live like peasants which invariably results in them straightening up instead of becoming bitter... when the main girl character beats up the main guy because she needs to prove that she can (I mean, if you're that good, you shouldn't be proving anything, it's against the law)… when the student says: 'I'll never be as good as you' and the master always answers: 'no, you're better'
Hey Mark, I'd like to hear your suggestions on returning to art... Say your arm has been in a cast for 9 months or you've been on tight deadlines the past semester of college.... How would you approach retaking the torch?
One of the villains being a sibling or related to the hero or one of the side characters.
16:40 plot twist: They close the cabinet and there's nothing in the mirror, turn around and there's something there (that doesn't appear in mirrors) (I can imagine this happening in Supernatural). To make this a little harder to predict, don't make it a vampire.
This is really cool!! 🤓✌️
Hi! I'm a subscriber of yours and I love your art. Very creative
Hey markcrilley, when should I use a storytelling cliche in my stories.
Please do a part three!
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The main character's established love interest is revealed near the final climax to be the main villain all along
Frozen maybe?
I might have been oblivious while watching the movie but I really didnt see Hans being a villain till that part came up. Frozen could've did this cliche very well,but your comment reminded of this.
The main protagonist punches (assaults) a bulky antagonist to no avail showing off just how weak the protagonist is even though we know that s/he will defeat said bulky antagonist in the end somehow.
The cliché I noticed in horror type situations is someone with a group goes off on their own to investigate a mysterious shadow or sound only to meet their demise when they probably would have been safer staying with the group.
And most of the time they don't call the police even tho there's blood and signs of some kind of murder but the characters are like no we'll just investigate this.
@@finnie2711EXACTLY!!!
I was thinking about that shy character that just have to overcome her or his shyness! Because apparently being shy is a "bad thing in comics and movies ... That is so annoying I think.
Hey Mark can you do
When a secondary character or others says that the creature is impossible to defeat yet the main character defeats it with ease.
Could you please do a step by step of how to draw this picture?
I really loved Game of Thrones, but as i reached the 4th book, fatigue set in and I started looking for these kinds of things, and they started to stick out.
We're more likely to miss them when we generally enjoy an artist's works.
12:15: very good voice acting/ impression of an old sport👏👏
I've been binge watching your channel this past week; thank you for sharing so much of your knowledge and art, Mr. Crilley! ❤🙂
One of the cliché things that bothers me most is when the "hot guy" is a total creep/abusive/manipulating/whatnot, and no one thinks to get a restraining order on him or anything, they're just all cool with it because he's pretty or whatever. Can go the other way, too, if a girl is really nasty and her love interest just sucks it up for no good reasons instead of telling her and trying to work things out or something.
Thanks for choosing my comment! I agree, this cliché can be used well to maintain suspense. It was a staple of the TV show "House", a very successful medical drama.
I remember the Cunninghams constantly being interrupted by the Fonz or Richie before kissing. That may be the earliest example I can remember (from youtube clips of course, I'm not THAT old).
The main character sacrifices themselves to save the world or their friends/family
Are they clichés, I don't know??? I was commenting about this topic to friends that want to be fiction novelist. My comment center in the idea that everything depends on the age and sophistication of your audience. Let me compare two quotes to make my point. G.K. Chesterton said, "fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." Stephen King said, "monsters are real, and ghost are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." This is my argument: Maybe for an adult the happily ever after story is a cliché but not to a child. Maybe for a young adult confronting a heartbreak is not a cliché but for a husband with teenage kids that is a cliché. G.K. Chesterton gives us a glimpse of a child view of the world. Stephen King a view to an adult's who still struggles with his inner ghost. In Ecclesiaste 1:9 (NIV) says "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. The question has to be asked not on the perspective of the author's wants and needs but on the perspective of the audience. Who is your audience? What are their struggles? What is your (author's) view on the problem? Even if the solution is well known your perspective (the author's) is unique. Therefore I say there is no such thing as a cliché if your experience is new to your audience.
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So... on Tuesday I was convinced that it was Friday and was very upset that there wasn’t a new Crilley video out... I was very happy when I realized what day it was. 😁
4:50 One example of a story that a 'bad guy' flipping to the hero's side is Avatar: The Last Airbender. *spoilers* They build up his internal conflict for upwards of half the show, but even after he decisively chooses where he wants to be, initially Team Avatar don't accept him. It takes him going on little (very fun and sometimes genuinely emotional) side adventures that shows his good side, and even then characters like Katara don't move on 100% and are suspicious pretty much up until the end of the show.