In my experience, I found it best to drill pilot holes when using screws of that size to prevent the wood from splitting especially when you're that close to the end of the piece of wood.
+Mike Collins Absolutely, with some screws that is necessary. The screws I used are self drilling and countersinking, which means you don't normally have to drill a pilot hole. Thanks for the comment
Thanks, I rarely used wood glue, which shows how amateurish I am (or that my projects are really small) but now I can see the benefit of it when doing this kind of butt joint connection.
hello handyman you just saved me a lot of work I make photos and some clocks using resin . and some time I use frames so again Thanks for your share ...Loretta
Those are monster construction screws. They cost 40-some cents apiece American. I like them. Screws into endgrain are relatively weak. An alternative is pocket hole screws. These allow you to screw into the face grain of the adjoining piece, so that the threads hold better, and you can use smaller screws, and you can often hide them. (I figure you know this. Am just adding for the benefit of the audience.)
+Kyle Gibson I always cut the timber using a chop saw/mitre saw. That way you are virtually guaranteed to get a perfectly straight cut. Thanks for the comment
+windyourneckin1 I normally use self cutting and self countersinking screws (as in this video), but with MDF I would drill a pilot hole and countersink first. You can really speed things up using these- ruclips.net/video/DueB6PiLb74/видео.html You can get special screws for MDF such as MDF tite, but most good quality screws will work such as Reisser/Spax etc. Thanks for the comment
I noticed you didn’t mention nails. A couple of years ago I watched a video about screws vs nails. He said the nails are stronger than screws for shear strength. Ever since then when I do butt joints with 2x4s, I use to screws on either end and then a nail in the middle. If it’s something I’m really concerned about strength on, I also glue it with some wood glue. What do you think about the screws versus nails thing? Was he right?
Yes, nails are more flexible than screws due to the composition of the steels. Screws do not flex and will shear, whereas nails are flexible and will bend. Sometimes it is critical such as when installing joist hangers that nails (often twisted clout nails) are used for that very reason. Thanks for the comment
I'm trying to make a "sign in" box for my Christmas yard display so people can sign and we can see what people have to say. We just need to be able to have a place for a book for people to sign. Anyway, do you have any tips or tricks to make one?
Hi there and thanks for this simple but very informative video (as I have never done any of this type of stuff). Can I ask an odd question please? What is the difference between a screw that has a plain smooth collar (from the screw head to the start of the groves) and a screw that has grooves all the way up to the screw head. I asked a guy in screwfix this question and he had no idea. Thanks very much. {pj}
The screw with a smooth collar is labeled as a “wood screw.” The smooth collar is meant to pull the first piece of wood being screwed into tight against the the mated piece (the second piece of wood being screwed into). The screw with threads all the way up to the screw head is labeled as a “machine screw.” The threads on these screws are generally finer (closer together) and are made to hold sheet metal. You can use machine screws in wood, but not wood screws in metal, just be sure to clamp the workpieces together so that the machine screw doesn’t push the workpieces apart. Hope that clarifies things after 6 years! Lol
Ultimate Handyman that's very true but anyone wanting to watch this video won't have much experience and most probably won't have a clue. Most people never bother with more expensive stuff, countersinks practically don't exist where i live in Tenerife for example and i wouldn't go out an buy them just for the sake of it. I'm an avid DYIer and am subscribed to your vids (great stuff). It was thanks to another video that i learnt what a difference pilot holes can make. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks for the demonstration. I was't quite sure about the plans I had for securing a butt join, but you have shown that they will work. Now I can start the job knowing that I will be successful. I hadn't thought of it before, but watching a video can be as good as actually having the experience. It can be better, because you can start job knowing that you will be successful. Sadly, that sometimes doesn't happen in real life. I might add that I agree with the post beneath mine saying that it's wise to drill pilot holes before using screws of that size. Screws DO sometimes split boards..
how do I describe the type of "quick-setting wood glue with activator" that you used when searching for it at my hardware store? Is this a generic product or is there a specific product that I should request?
In the UK, there are a couple of products, but not sure what they call them in other countries. Over here we have Mitre-fast- fave.co/2y2OUVF Super glue with activator- fave.co/2UW2dAm Mitre-Apel fave.co/2Vi5KaX Mitre fast bond- fave.co/2UYX5LW Perhaps if you just print off one of those products and take it with you. Thanks for the comment 👍
There are a few here- How to make a garden gate- ruclips.net/video/92GH2MXM2o0/видео.html How to make a cheap garden gate- ruclips.net/video/DRmhbFHbfFk/видео.html Over head garage hangers- ruclips.net/video/s4xA07_-0Yc/видео.html Mitre joint- ruclips.net/video/1f6xRT8GfgI/видео.html Install a stud ceiling- ruclips.net/video/W_QmhB5aDGI/видео.html Thanks for the comment
what would be a stronger joint? im gona work on a project. im making a playseat for my ps4. im mounting a carseat from a 06 infiniti g35. i need a strong base that wont come apart or a butt joint en[ugh?
Gleyeu 😏 But what about butt joint molding, will you guys be making a how-to video for that in the near future? I want to replace the more traditional baseboard in my house with the more modern, square kind and I thought it would be easiest to use butt joints for the corners....
I’ve experimented with destruction tests on lots of joints.. For practical purposes the only joint I have found to be stronger than a butt joint glue+screw is a single rebate joint glue+screw. Possibly a double rebate. With finger joints, for example, the joint itself is unbreakable, but it snaps around the base of the fingers. Same with dovetail. These joints are mostly decorative, if you ask me.
Surface plate 😂 I think you mean that old piece of kitchen worktop that I have had in the garage for about 15 years- ruclips.net/video/gGu9pqAB4Zk/видео.html
Do you think the butt joint with screws would be enough to support the beams and the columns of a loft bed for an adult? (120 cm wide 200 cm long) thank you :)
At 34 seconds, you say: "you can use a biscuit to hold it together?" Which biscuit do you recommend? Digestive? Custard Cream? or Hob Nob? Please specify! Thanks in advance
Yes, it will be fine. If you are not using self drilling/self countersinking screws, it is a good idea to drill holes through the piece that you are screwing through. Thanks for the comment 👍
Trying to make a door frame over the top my cattio door,this was very helpful,thank you. Handy man daughter didnt think the cats would climb the screen door to escape ,but they are smart cats...but not smart enough to realize the cyotees raccoons and cougars will eat them if they escape!
+Andy Gillies The gloves are from ARCO (based in the UK), you can see them in action here- ruclips.net/video/1C3QzIZy8l4T/видео.htmlhanks for the comment ;-)
You mentioned a couple of times that this isn't very strong. Will you please give me an idea of the force it would take to break it if glued and screwed together? I'm working on a chicken coop and I'm trying to find a way to predator proof a window. I was thinking of building some kind of removable frame with wire mesh covering it so we can still open and close the window as needed. Do you think this would withstand a dog, raccoon, fox, or coyote trying to get in?
It's one of the weakest woodworking joints but still very strong if done correctly. If it is glued and screwed it will be strong, especially if it is used to make a square shape such as a window. I don't know much about foxes, Coyote's or Racoons I'm afraid!
Thank you now if I can find some screws that are long enough, trying to connect 4 1x2 pieces, then apply pet proof screen to it so we can have some air coming in via the regular screen that the cats love to jump into and rip. I don't like to put glue it's too strong for the cats just in case they want to eat it. thanks a bunch
To those who are questioning why he isn't drilling pilot holes: Looks like he's using pine, which is really soft and isn't prone to splitting. I never drill pilot holes when using butt-joints with pine 2x4's (which I typically will use for simple frames or framework.) Now...when I use Maple or Oak, you bet your a** I'm drilling pilot holes.
The most important thing is cutting the timber squarely. If the cut is not accurate, you will never get a perfect joint. A mitre saw is perfect for cutting a straight 90 degree cut. If you don't have a mitre saw, you can use a mitre box and hand saw- fave.co/3ym3iSh
hi there, i don't know nothing about woodworking. I'm trying to make something here but when I put a screw into a 2x4, it crack all the time..no matter where and how i put my screw in, the wood break... I trashed 2 2x4... I'm pissed.. is there special screw or shouldI get a better quality 2x4???
I would never make a joint like this, but if I did, I would drill the holes first. Since the screws are so close to the end of the board, there is a lot of stress there from the screws that will eventually split the board.
***** They are self drilling, but they don't remove the wood they displace. Instead, the wood gets compressed around the screws causing a great deal of stress on the end grain of the wood. When the boards go through humidity changes and the wood swells, these stresses reach a breaking point and the wood splits right at the ends. If you drill out the wood instead, there is much less stress when the screws are put in and you won't have this issue. Self drilling screws typically don't need a pilot hole, but when the screw is put in so close to the end of the board, they become essential for a lasting joint.
2:57 There is some torque in that drill mine wont do that. I did just kinda wonder, having got it to that stage if you wre going to to take a router and take an oblong out, then replace it/ glue a replacement "biscuit back in. I dont know any thing about it, could that be done?
When I make a butt joint while making a square frame the frame always warps and does not sit flat. What am I doing wrong? I pre drill my holes with a hand drill.
That's a mitre joint, you need to ensure your saw is cutting exactly 45 degrees or the joint will not be square. I often check such joints using a roofing square etc.
why use superglue? never heard of using superglue on wood before. I use wood glue and a corner clamp to hold the wood together until I screw the corners in.
***** Of course I am. You have no idea how many of these video's I have watched. Aren't you making videos for 'experts' such as me ? Should I be sorry for being somewhat sceptical or should I just believe everything anyone says on the internet? Disclaimer: When I see some good and bad info in a video, I comment (and try to get some sarcasm in there while I can). When I only see bad stuff, I just click away.
I think i knew better, after all im carpenter. :) I dont want to explain all the terms why you should drill untill you bolt a screw! It doesnt matter what quality screws are you using, massive wood have a lot of tantions inside of it, the srew you did screw makes wood to get lot more tention as it have and sooner or laiter it willl split in that place. Watch closeley on your video already some wood is riped out when your screwing a screw. ruclips.net/video/jxvOepMFtbA/видео.htmlm57s
Senseless---- you should always drill a pilot hole first unless you're just slapping wood together to use to support something else temporarily----- running a screw straight in you risk two things--- 1. splitting your wood--- annoying and, 2. Cracking the glue bond that you've already established.----
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In my experience, I found it best to drill pilot holes when using screws of that size to prevent the wood from splitting especially when you're that close to the end of the piece of wood.
+Mike Collins
Absolutely, with some screws that is necessary. The screws I used are self drilling and countersinking, which means you don't normally have to drill a pilot hole.
Thanks for the comment
+Mike Collins Yeah i was about to ask that but in case you make pilot holes how much smaller than the screws? I mean the diameter.
Drill bit 1/8th smaller than screw size seems to work the best for me.
Mike Collins
Upload your video and show us how's done?
It is the right way to screw them after all
Thank you. I had no idea what a butt joint was and I am planning to build a simple shelf.
Great info, thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much for this. Running out to pick up that glue today!!!
Thanks, I rarely used wood glue, which shows how amateurish I am (or that my projects are really small) but now I can see the benefit of it when doing this kind of butt joint connection.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Great video to follow but what is the drill attachment you use to hold the screwdriver bits? Looks like it absorbs the tension as the screw goes in.
Simple...and/but very helpfull !
Pretty well explained, thank you!
You are welcome.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Simple, clear instructions thanks 👍
You're very welcome!
Another fantastic video. Maybe do one about which method of butt jointing is strongest? Show us at which point each fails?
Thanks for the reply really helpful tips cheers
+windyourneckin1
You are welcome ;-)
Thanks for the comments
Just finished my first project using butt joints. I wish I knew about this super glue! Thanks for sharing.
It can be wood glue but glue plus screws/nails are a good combo. Depends on the project you're working on.
Really thorough video - thankyou for making these videos!
Brilliant video. Just about to make a mesh gate for a kennel. This is perfect. The mesh will strength to it ..
Cheers
Glad it helped 👍
Great video
Thank you
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
Good idea on how to hold the wood pieces together for a the screws.
I always have some trouble on that.
Thanks for the comment
Cheers for that... will get down to screwfix for some of that glue... gotta love all the 'no nonsense' stuff they do
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment ;-)
This helped me on my school assignment thanks :D
hello handyman you just saved me a lot of work I make photos and some clocks using resin . and some time I use frames so again Thanks for your share ...Loretta
simple yet very informative thankyou sir
Great job
Thanks for the comment
What video editor do you use?
Those are monster construction screws. They cost 40-some cents apiece American. I like them.
Screws into endgrain are relatively weak. An alternative is pocket hole screws. These allow you to screw into the face grain of the adjoining piece, so that the threads hold better, and you can use smaller screws, and you can often hide them. (I figure you know this. Am just adding for the benefit of the audience.)
Do you have some tips for squaring the edges sufficiently to make a butt joint 90°?
+Kyle Gibson
I always cut the timber using a chop saw/mitre saw. That way you are virtually guaranteed to get a perfectly straight cut.
Thanks for the comment
Hi any good tips for screwing joints in to 18mm mdf would you use countersink pilot holes first. planning to attempt a toy box thanks
+windyourneckin1
I normally use self cutting and self countersinking screws (as in this video), but with MDF I would drill a pilot hole and countersink first. You can really speed things up using these- ruclips.net/video/DueB6PiLb74/видео.html
You can get special screws for MDF such as MDF tite, but most good quality screws will work such as Reisser/Spax etc.
Thanks for the comment
Thanks a lot
Most welcome
Is it okay to screw side by side?
Good . Thanks
Thanks for the comment
I noticed you didn’t mention nails. A couple of years ago I watched a video about screws vs nails. He said the nails are stronger than screws for shear strength. Ever since then when I do butt joints with 2x4s, I use to screws on either end and then a nail in the middle. If it’s something I’m really concerned about strength on, I also glue it with some wood glue. What do you think about the screws versus nails thing? Was he right?
Yes, nails are more flexible than screws due to the composition of the steels. Screws do not flex and will shear, whereas nails are flexible and will bend. Sometimes it is critical such as when installing joist hangers that nails (often twisted clout nails) are used for that very reason.
Thanks for the comment
ALWAYS pre-drill a hole in the outer piece to prevent splitting.
The screws I use are self drilling and self countersinking, so no need for a pilot hole.
Thanks for the comment
Use the right screws & eliminate the pilot holes.
is this a butt joke
@@ultimatehandyman I'm sorry which screws what brand are you using
@@barbra429 I use Turbogold screws from Screwfix bit.ly/3hzvUj1
You can also get other self drilling screws, such as Reisser screws
I'm trying to make a "sign in" box for my Christmas yard display so people can sign and we can see what people have to say. We just need to be able to have a place for a book for people to sign. Anyway, do you have any tips or tricks to make one?
Handyman what have you found are the best drill screw attachments to use? Thanks
I think you mean screw driver bits?
Wera and Wiha make very good quality bits, I would imagine that Hilti are also good.
Thanks for the comment
Just to add you can always use 90° angle brackets if all out strengh is needed and doesnt need to look pretty
Absolutely 👍
Hi there and thanks for this simple but very informative video (as I have never done any of this type of stuff). Can I ask an odd question please? What is the difference between a screw that has a plain smooth collar (from the screw head to the start of the groves) and a screw that has grooves all the way up to the screw head. I asked a guy in screwfix this question and he had no idea. Thanks very much. {pj}
The screw with a smooth collar is labeled as a “wood screw.” The smooth collar is meant to pull the first piece of wood being screwed into tight against the the mated piece (the second piece of wood being screwed into). The screw with threads all the way up to the screw head is labeled as a “machine screw.” The threads on these screws are generally finer (closer together) and are made to hold sheet metal. You can use machine screws in wood, but not wood screws in metal, just be sure to clamp the workpieces together so that the machine screw doesn’t push the workpieces apart. Hope that clarifies things after 6 years! Lol
Its always good practice to drill pilot holes in prior
I use self drilling, self countersinking screws. They do not require a pilot hole
Thanks for the comment
Ultimate Handyman that's very true but anyone wanting to watch this video won't have much experience and most probably won't have a clue. Most people never bother with more expensive stuff, countersinks practically don't exist where i live in Tenerife for example and i wouldn't go out an buy them just for the sake of it. I'm an avid DYIer and am subscribed to your vids (great stuff). It was thanks to another video that i learnt what a difference pilot holes can make. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work 👍
Superglue?
Thanks for the demonstration. I was't quite sure about the plans I had for securing a butt join, but you have shown that they will work. Now I can start the job knowing that I will be successful. I hadn't thought of it before, but watching a video can be as good as actually having the experience. It can be better, because you can start job knowing that you will be successful. Sadly, that sometimes doesn't happen in real life. I might add that I agree with the post beneath mine saying that it's wise to drill pilot holes before using screws of that size. Screws DO sometimes split boards..
Thanks for the comment
how do I describe the type of "quick-setting wood glue with activator" that you used when searching for it at my hardware store? Is this a generic product or is there a specific product that I should request?
In the UK, there are a couple of products, but not sure what they call them in other countries. Over here we have Mitre-fast- fave.co/2y2OUVF
Super glue with activator- fave.co/2UW2dAm
Mitre-Apel fave.co/2Vi5KaX
Mitre fast bond- fave.co/2UYX5LW
Perhaps if you just print off one of those products and take it with you.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Is there any other videos of your wood work demonstration. Your career is simple & humble. I like this one.
There are a few here-
How to make a garden gate- ruclips.net/video/92GH2MXM2o0/видео.html
How to make a cheap garden gate- ruclips.net/video/DRmhbFHbfFk/видео.html
Over head garage hangers- ruclips.net/video/s4xA07_-0Yc/видео.html
Mitre joint- ruclips.net/video/1f6xRT8GfgI/видео.html
Install a stud ceiling- ruclips.net/video/W_QmhB5aDGI/видео.html
Thanks for the comment
what would be a stronger joint? im gona work on a project. im making a playseat for my ps4. im mounting a carseat from a 06 infiniti g35. i need a strong base that wont come apart
or a butt joint en[ugh?
A butt joint should be fine, especially if you glue it and screw it together.
Just a question , could you use this technique to make a small train carriage
You can use this for all sorts, but not sure about your specific job 🤔
Thanks for the comment 👍
For a book shelf made from 18mm plywood, is it strong enough using the butt joint? I'm a beginner who has limited skills. Any other ideas?
Butt joints should be fine for that.
There are many other joints but the Butt joint is the easiest.
Gleyeu 😏
But what about butt joint molding, will you guys be making a how-to video for that in the near future?
I want to replace the more traditional baseboard in my house with the more modern, square kind and I thought it would be easiest to use butt joints for the corners....
I'm sorry but have no plans to cover this in the near future as I'm far too busy.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
What screws i should use for 2×4
4 inch would work ;-)
I’ve experimented with destruction tests on lots of joints..
For practical purposes the only joint I have found to be stronger than a butt joint glue+screw is a single rebate joint glue+screw. Possibly a double rebate.
With finger joints, for example, the joint itself is unbreakable, but it snaps around the base of the fingers. Same with dovetail. These joints are mostly decorative, if you ask me.
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@@ultimatehandyman actually mitre joint glue/screw is probably stronger than single rebate glue/screw, now I’ve thought of it.
Can i add a right angle bracket to that joint, or is a simple butt joint like that is already strong enough for something like a desk or a table
Yes, you can reinforce the joint using angle brackets if you like.
Thanks for the comment
Using a pocket jig to make the butt joint would have been stronger and better
Not all of us have a 4 by 8 surface plate to do this job. What should we do!
u1crew
Houston
Surface plate 😂
I think you mean that old piece of kitchen worktop that I have had in the garage for about 15 years-
ruclips.net/video/gGu9pqAB4Zk/видео.html
Good stuff for novices like me.
I’m glad you found the video useful
Thanks for the comment 👍
Do you think the butt joint with screws would be enough to support the beams and the columns of a loft bed for an adult? (120 cm wide 200 cm long) thank you :)
It depends how many supports there are. As long as there are enough supports it should be fine.
Thanks for the comment 👍
At 34 seconds, you say: "you can use a biscuit to hold it together?" Which biscuit do you recommend? Digestive? Custard Cream? or Hob Nob? Please specify! Thanks in advance
Rich tea would probably work, but to be safe use Beech biscuits ;-)
ruclips.net/video/MGjd_vZ6KXo/видео.html
Can i use this for a simple bookshelf, like 4 feet high and 1 foot wide
Yes, it will be fine.
If you are not using self drilling/self countersinking screws, it is a good idea to drill holes through the piece that you are screwing through.
Thanks for the comment 👍
@@ultimatehandyman thanks for the reply
Trying to make a door frame over the top my cattio door,this was very helpful,thank you. Handy man daughter didnt think the cats would climb the screen door to escape ,but they are smart cats...but not smart enough to realize the cyotees raccoons and cougars will eat them if they escape!
Blimey, those cats definitely need to keep away from the wild animals!
Thanks for the comment 👍
genius.
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Did he say “biscuit”. Would have liked to see the biscuit make an appearance.
You can see one here- ruclips.net/video/MGjd_vZ6KXo/видео.html&t
Thanks for the comment 👍
I didn't see you use any method of making sure the joint was actually square on the initial glue. What's your method of doing that?
I normally just use a square.
Thanks for the comment
do you have to use screws or can you use regular nails?
Screws are best but nails will work.
Thanks for the comment
Elven gloves from rivendell? Thanks for info on screw length buddy
+Andy Gillies The gloves are from ARCO (based in the UK), you can see them in action here- ruclips.net/video/1C3QzIZy8l4T/видео.htmlhanks for the comment ;-)
You mentioned a couple of times that this isn't very strong. Will you please give me an idea of the force it would take to break it if glued and screwed together? I'm working on a chicken coop and I'm trying to find a way to predator proof a window. I was thinking of building some kind of removable frame with wire mesh covering it so we can still open and close the window as needed. Do you think this would withstand a dog, raccoon, fox, or coyote trying to get in?
It's one of the weakest woodworking joints but still very strong if done correctly.
If it is glued and screwed it will be strong, especially if it is used to make a square shape such as a window.
I don't know much about foxes, Coyote's or Racoons I'm afraid!
Ultimate Handyman thank you so much for that information! It is very helpful!
You are welcome.
Thanks for the comments
Thank you now if I can find some screws that are long enough, trying to connect 4 1x2 pieces, then apply pet proof screen to it so we can have some air coming in via the regular screen that the cats love to jump into and rip.
I don't like to put glue it's too strong for the cats just in case they want to eat it.
thanks a bunch
Diane Reid-Lapointe
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
To those who are questioning why he isn't drilling pilot holes:
Looks like he's using pine, which is really soft and isn't prone to splitting. I never drill pilot holes when using butt-joints with pine 2x4's (which I typically will use for simple frames or framework.) Now...when I use Maple or Oak, you bet your a** I'm drilling pilot holes.
That's correct, this is pine and I'm using self drilling/self countersinking screws.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Can I use those screws for a rack with 2x4 or kitchen drawers?
Not sure, it depends what you are screwing into.
I use self drilling and self countersinking screws from here- bit.ly/2rx6jCb
Ultimate Handyman: I'll be using pine wood for kitchen drawers.
Yes, they will be fine for that ;-)
Ha MrSmaiDS Said Massive Wood😂
I notice you didn't mention pocket hole joints. Screwing into the ends of boards makes a very unstable joint.
Pocket hole joints require special tools, this video is aimed at people that know absolutely nothing about woodworking joints.
Thanks for the comment
What joints are stronger?
A mitre joint is stronger, in fact most joints are stronger than a butt joint.
Thanks for the comment
What are easy ways to ensure the joint is a perfect 90 degree angle?
The most important thing is cutting the timber squarely. If the cut is not accurate, you will never get a perfect joint. A mitre saw is perfect for cutting a straight 90 degree cut.
If you don't have a mitre saw, you can use a mitre box and hand saw- fave.co/3ym3iSh
@@ultimatehandyman thanks so much!
hi there, i don't know nothing about woodworking. I'm trying to make something here but when I put a screw into a 2x4, it crack all the time..no matter where and how i put my screw in, the wood break... I trashed 2 2x4... I'm pissed..
is there special screw or shouldI get a better quality 2x4???
It could be the screws. I normally use Turbogold screws from screwfix.
You could try drilling pilot holes into the timber- that should help.
drill a pilot hole 1st
I would never make a joint like this, but if I did, I would drill the holes first. Since the screws are so close to the end of the board, there is a lot of stress there from the screws that will eventually split the board.
If you are using regular screws I would also pilot drill first, but these screws are self drilling and self countersinking.
Thanks for the comment
*****
They are self drilling, but they don't remove the wood they displace. Instead, the wood gets compressed around the screws causing a great deal of stress on the end grain of the wood. When the boards go through humidity changes and the wood swells, these stresses reach a breaking point and the wood splits right at the ends. If you drill out the wood instead, there is much less stress when the screws are put in and you won't have this issue.
Self drilling screws typically don't need a pilot hole, but when the screw is put in so close to the end of the board, they become essential for a lasting joint.
2:57
There is some torque in that drill mine wont do that.
I did just kinda wonder, having got it to that stage if you wre going to to take a router and take an oblong out, then replace it/ glue a replacement "biscuit back in.
I dont know any thing about it, could that be done?
Yes, you could reinforce the joint with a biscuit if you wanted to.
Thanks for the comment
If you use Home Depot wood drill pilot holes.
Thanks for the comment 👍
No pilot hole or countersink.?
No, I use self drilling/self countersinking screws.
If using cheaper screws it would be best to drill pilot holes/countersink.
Thanks for the comment
weak? depends on how it used, a window frame as lone as the vertical is between the horzantal.
Compared to other types of joint it is one of the weakest.
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Donde se compra ese pegamento
fave.co/2SnFRnC
Do a video. Go on... :)
I could watch screws being drilled all day long
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Uh, no... actually, you got sarced.
0:37 if u didn't have screws would there be anything else you could do
You could use nails, but they are not as strong as screws, generally speaking.
When I make a butt joint while making a square frame the frame always warps and does not sit flat. What am I doing wrong? I pre drill my holes with a hand drill.
Is your saw cutting at exactly 90 degrees?
If the cut is out the joint will not be square.
I cut my corners with a 45 degree angle on each piece...I am going to try the technique you show in this video. Thank You
That's a mitre joint, you need to ensure your saw is cutting exactly 45 degrees or the joint will not be square.
I often check such joints using a roofing square etc.
I have the saw set for 45 degrees and I cut through the 2 by 4 while it's on its side. I will take your advice and double check my saw.
Surprised you didn't pre-drill the holes. It would have split on me.
I use self-drilling and self-countersinking screws, so there is no need to pre-drill.
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I found exercise makes a butt joint stronger
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You would definitely need screws, cause gluing end-grain isn't very effective.
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King of the hill brought me here
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Что необычного?
why use superglue? never heard of using superglue on wood before. I use wood glue and a corner clamp to hold the wood together until I screw the corners in.
It's much quicker and means you don't have to clamp the wood. It's commonly used to glue mitre joints together
No pilot hole?
The screws are self drilling and self countersinking, so no pilot hole is required.
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Ultimate Handyman thanks for the reply
Like a pro! Superglue and screwing in long screws without clamping the pieces on the bench. But be sure to wear gloves!
Simon de rycke
And you are obviously so much of an expert that you need to watch a video on how to make a Butt joint PMSL
***** Of course I am. You have no idea how many of these video's I have watched. Aren't you making videos for 'experts' such as me ? Should I be sorry for being somewhat sceptical or should I just believe everything anyone says on the internet? Disclaimer: When I see some good and bad info in a video, I comment (and try to get some sarcasm in there while I can). When I only see bad stuff, I just click away.
Hahaha he said butt joint. What's next? A term like butt splice?
LOL
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Instead of screws you should have used dowels to at least make it look good.
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I think i knew better, after all im carpenter. :) I dont want to explain all the terms why you should drill untill you bolt a screw!
It doesnt matter what quality screws are you using, massive wood have a lot of tantions inside of it, the srew you did screw makes wood to get lot more tention as it have and sooner or laiter it willl split in that place.
Watch closeley on your video already some wood is riped out when your screwing a screw. ruclips.net/video/jxvOepMFtbA/видео.htmlm57s
Ну и что тут такого ?
he is driving two large screws in it and call it a very weak joint...
The butt joint is one of the weakest joints, there are much stronger joints.
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Senseless---- you should always drill a pilot hole first unless you're just slapping wood together to use to support something else temporarily----- running a screw straight in you risk two things--- 1. splitting your wood--- annoying and, 2. Cracking the glue bond that you've already established.----
The screws I use are self drilling and self countersinking ;-)
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Clearly not a carpenter. Predrill pilot holes. PVA wood glue, twin twist screws.
The screws are self drilling and self countersinking ;-)
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I want to like these guys but the steiny guy bugs me too much
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is that wood toxic? ...why the gloves?
No the wood is not Toxic.
Wearing gloves prevents injuries to your hands ;-)
***** Save your hands for your wife.
David Staniforth LOL
those screws look like they cost 4 dollars each lol just fire some nails in their boys
They are not that expensive to be honest.
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I like big butts and I cannot lie
Do I detect a Scottish accent?
No, I'm miles away 😂
joint ? hahhaha .
Ha ok,
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это они думают что что-то новое изобретают. Придурки. А гвоздем прибить так что бы не расколоть слабо ему наверно ?
no pre-drill, surprised you didn't split wood. not the most proffesional ive seen
The screws I use are self drilling and self countersinking, so there is no need to pre-drill or countersink the hole ;-)