Xbox Announcement: We All Not Gonna Make It | Castle Super Beast 257 Clip
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Back when pat was watching the Xbox podcast he gave the example of "you know, freaks will buy an entire console for ONE Game, like woolie going to buy an entire console to only play street fighter and nothing else" and i'm like "That's a little harsh and ridiculous example lol"
And here comes Woolie "oh yeah xbox the dmcv DEMO machine" DEMO NOT THE FUCKING GAME JUST THE DEMO like christ at least try to beat the allegations my man
I did own a PS5 for a short while just so I could play Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart. Very short game, but as an R&C fan, man that game was a blast. Allthough I did return the console afterwards to get a beefier PC, and that game is now also on PC.
Oh I don't know if you were listening to the podcast back then, but Woolie was proud of that and the SFV purchase. He had nothing to hide.
@@Kango234some people just dont get these guys
@@leithaziz2716i am fighting myself to get a ps5 just for FF7Rebirth
instead of just waiting for the PC release
Loyalty to consoles is dead, its just games
Woolie confirmed "psycho" ... will now _EXCLUSIVE_ your Pie by force
I still remember when the DMC 5 Demo was announced for Xbox, Woolie tweeted out a pic of him blowing off the dust of his Xbox.
This is all scalebounds fault
I genuinely believe that did irreparable damage to Platinum at least.
only because Kamiya was so stubborn in trying to develop and give birth to a stillborn product, not once, not twice, THREE FUCKING TIMES @@Kango234
God I wish Scalebound released
Kamiya was the key to everything
Core memory located
Pat left out the best fuck up by Xbox. They even talked about it in the official documentary a year or two ago. They turned down Rockstar and Grand Theft Auto 3.
i thought that shit was fake. please tell me you have a link?
Like that mattered after San Andreas..?
@@Draliseth are you mental? i agree that 4 isn't as good as other games but that sold so much more money than other first parties in Xbox. that's a fumble and a half.
@@swagtasticpanda
Yes. Yes I am "mental."
@Draliseth Your personal take on the games after San Andreas objectively doesnt matter dude. GTA 4 and 5 sold gangbusters whether you dislike them or not. And Microsoft losing out on that is indeed a huge loss.
Again nobody gives a shit about how you'd personally rate the games. Go find a forum where that's the topic
XBox-chan guest starring in Pat's reaction video evoked more positive emotion from me than anything else XBox related since the 360 era.
It’s such a silly image. I want it to stay there along with Steve and the skeleton
Man, that hurts because it's true.
It’s basically what Woolie said. “The biggest technological leap between consoles in the history of video games” will be because the next Xbox is actually a series of Microsoft prebuilt PCs with first or second party hardware and an Xbox app.
The key part is that they don't mention whether it's a leap forward or a leap from the top of a 30 story building
"Steam Machines 2: This time is gonna work out, trust me. "
Which allows them to avoid footing the bill for hardware because they’ll get ASUS, Acer, or Dell to build them with XBOX licensing. You know, the exact thing they do with Windows.
Xbox could just be a PC with easy to swap in and out big chunky fisher price looking cartridges for SSD, GPU, CPU, and RAM so you dont have to buy a whole new console for like 15 years
@@bearshark5941 that would be significantly more expensive than putting everything on one board, increasing by a factor of one for each individual component. Not to mention having to deal with third party distributors.
The real kicker to all of this, is that XBOX has ALWAYS had these problems, even before Matricks non-sense. They've NEVER been able to consistently get projects off the ground. Anyone remember those 3 Halo side projects that almost ALL got cancelled while Bungie was making ODST and Reach? The only time XBOX wasn't a total shitshow as a publisher was like the first two years of the 360
And even in those two years it's amazing how Sony fumbled so hard that Microsoft survived "Red Ring of Death" seriously you know the competition is hosed if you can fuck up that bad and not only still be in but be winning
Bungie isn't exactly the hallmark of reliability when it comes to developing fully fleshed out games and ideas and were willing to cut development on whatever they were doing when they didn't think it would pan out.
Every single one of their games that isn't Oni is rife with versions that they ended up completely scrapping. Halo 1 was an RTS that was supposed to release exclusively on Mac in the 90s, Halo 2 got completely deleted and remade in a year because they were obligated to release, Destiny 1 had most of its content scrapped like 3 different times leading to the issues with that game and its Grimoire Cards
@@cyberninjazero5659even then, Microsoft just barely held onto the win as the PS3 caught up after a price drop and several game releases.
coupled with the fact the japanese struggled so hard to adapt to the hd era that western products completely dominated in.... you guessed it xbox
@@Vanity0666Bungie are hacks. They just got lucky 4 times
this may sound weird, but seeing Woolie's room completely lit up in a normal fashion like this just looks wrong to me
morning podcast versus afternoon/nightcast
@@Vanity0666 ah, yeah, that would explain it
While watching the Xbox podcast. I repeatedly yelled “Yes Phil, the whole ‘we need to do away with exclusives. Play Anywhere’ is a nice sentiment, but not one based in reality!” You don’t lead the industry to making big changes when you’re last place. Also, Nintendo and Sony don’t have a good reason to stop exclusives, so they won’t, no matter how many speeches Phil gives. It’s because in reality, this whole Play Anywhere initiative is just a desperate attempt to cling on to their business and if they ever ended up back in the lead, they would totally backpedal on a lot of it and make things exclusive again.
I said this in my own comment but while Xbox is in last place Sony isn't doing much better in first having just announced end of life for PS5. The biggest problem I see is a lack of what I call "Gen" exclusives. As in games that are multiplatform but just aren't on the previous generation, Granblue Relink which came out this year is still on PS4, now Tekken 8 just came out and it's selling really good which might help push the tide then add to that GTA 6 next year and we're talking. I say this because Console exclusives help you decide which console to buy when you're already thinking about buying new consoles but "gen" exclusives make you think "my stuffs outdated it's time for a new console"
@@cyberninjazero5659don't forget the, "buy the PS5 so you can play games like bloodborne, now with better performance." shtick. Same for the switch 2 for their games like Zelda TOTK, whenever that releases. Sony doesn't seem that desperate as yet, because if that were the case, we would've seen bloodborne (I really like BB so apologies for using this example so much) or even the Demon Souls remake being announced for the PC by now.
@carl8790 In a way, Microsoft "owns" PC, being that almost everyone uses Windows on it. Sure, they might not get a cut from Valve, but console hardware is a side thing for them that they've already talked about dropping previously. Sony is in a far different position while it is also a diversified company with more things going for it than the console market, but it's never really sounded like it was considering throwing in the towel before unlike MS. Hell, they managed to turn around the PS3, so over time, I think it sold more than the 360 but by a small margin. Of course announcing EoL itself is very weird since this gen is pretty much just starting Tekken 8 sold big and two thirds of that was thanks to PS5, GTA 6 comes out next year. We've seen this video talk about FF7R2, Spider-Man 2 was also a massive financial success. The EoL thing is very weird since the console if anything should just now be getting into its stride
@@cyberninjazero5659 it seems like to me that this generation is just weird u know. With the whole pandemic effecting the development processes and whatnot. We're also in a somewhat 'recession' that we're slowly coming out of, and people aren't spending as they used to during the pandemic. Companies like Sony, we're expecting sales to remain the same like before and are now adjusting. I'm not surprised by the language they used, because it seems like the execs were really hoping that the sales momentum they experience during the pandemic would continue.
@@cyberninjazero5659sony said that the PS5 entered it'a later halfbof it's lifw cicle, the ps5 still has 4 years of life
@4:45 the question Pat's yelling about that Phil had written, was just so his answer could reassure the scrooge ass investors that _YES, we did indeed fire every single person that we could_ ...to make the SHORT term dividends *pop* a tiny bit more
You have no idea what your talking about.
@@ATMOSK1234Exactly, only _I_ do. Nobody else.
Steam certainly isn't perfect, but we have them to thank for the rise of indie games, i think. back during the xbox 360 era, Microsoft charged a ton of money for game submission AND for every patch submission. Steam doesn't charge for patch submission at all, so that makes game development viable for indie devs, especially indie devs trying to make ambitious early access games.
Microsoft (and Sony) had to change their policies as a result of Steam, because Steam proved that indie games from companies that can't afford to pay up-front certification fees can end up being wildly profitable.
I'd argue that's the reason Xbox seems to be focusing so much on digital and software rather than hardware. The issue is the lack of digital library at a time when people really cemented that, So if i had to guess that's why theyre focusing so much on game pass and multiplat. The goal being to get the games in people's libraries then buying into gamepass. That should in theory shore up their biggest problem, and then the hardware will come behind it. IMO their biggest hurdle short term is actually going to be how they treat indies right now, and how easy it is for them to get things published on gamepass i.e patches.
"It's almost as if our overruling principle is to always maximize shareholder value."
"Yeah, even for a cutthroat business it's weird for them to say that so bluntly."
What you guys may not know is that publicly traded American corporations are legally required to maximize shareholder value, and can be sued by shareholders for making seemingly normal decisions that drop the price of the stock in the short term. The reason that companies like Larian are able to disregard maximizing shareholder value is because they're privately traded.
I personally enjoy watching the snake of capitalism eat its own tail knowing not what it does but I can see how people might be upset about the xbox
@@Vanity0666 Capitalism has its issues but that's in comparison to...what, exactly? There's gonna be crap no matter what's used.
@@RippahRooJizah in comparison to democratic socialism
@@RippahRooJizahLike clockwork. Do you people live under the floorboards or something?
@@BIGBLUBLUR Who are people "like me"? Because I don't know if I am what you think I am.
Game Pass is such a ridiculous revenue generation tactic because it inherently created a system where it's core consumer base purchases a one month subscription at $10 whenever a brand new $60-70 game comes out, resulting in a two-tiered purchase platform where the vast majority of releases can be completed within the $10 one-month timeframe and never returned to, meaning that in the mind of the consumer most games are not worth their full purchase price.
The only measures that Xbox can realistically take to mitigate this are either making games that do not respect your time and have a shitload of padding to boost hours played, releasing games with an episode format so they can have a release schedule that requires several months of subscription fees to complete, or canning Game Pass completely which would immediately blow up in their face.
Also remember when a video game console launched at like $300 max and then over the course of its lifespan would drop in price until it eventually settled at like $99 + pack in games as a bonus, meanwhile these end of life consoles, as defined by the manufacturer, are still $500-600 and come with absolutely fucking nothing
Microsoft slowly realizing "Wait... We basically OWN the gaming industry already because 99% of people still NEED windows to even develop games. Why do we even need a console?"
tbf they realized that about 2 gens ago, but Phill Spencer said please
Valve rolling out the stable SteamOS and making huge pushes for proton compatibility should honestly have them sweating but most people are used to their shitty windows desktop environment
@@Vanity0666 That but also it seems like Valve backed down on the idea of making SteamOS desktop a real thing. So it's going to pretty much stay a Switch rival. I mean Linux people will still hunt down things like Bazzite OS but the chance of Windows having real competition with brand recognition just slipped away
That would make sense, but competing with Steam would require the Xbox people to work with the Windows people, and Microsoft is infamous for having different business divisions act like they're in a Battle Royale. It would also start another antitrust lawsuit.
That's never stopped them from sabotaging PC ports.
Microsoft has been literally competing with itself since day one through their weird exclusivity stuff between Xbox and PC. They stopped doing that a few years ago, but I think this is the logical conclusion of those strange decisions.
Not to mention all of those launch 360's they had to replace due to red ring. Imagine selling your consoles at a loss, putting out a console with a catastrophic defect, and having to replace most of them.
It's not strange but mostly the result of Xbox being the small fish in a big pond. The expectations around ROI of a Microsoft division are naturally going to be WAY higher than for Playstation out of Sony or Nintendo out of, well, themselves.
Xbox has been on the backfoot with their own parent company basically breathing down their necks and looking at axing them for 10 years and that's led to them making decisions for short-term profit just to stay alive.
By comparison, Playstation is one of the biggest revenue earners at Sony and, while not by much, it leads in profit within the conglomerate (just a bit ahead of financials services and music).
Nintendo would rather DIE before giving up gaming because it's 90% of the revenue and even more of their profit.
Xbox has to make decisions because Microsoft doesn't even really need the Xbox console or hardware to survive as a conglomerate or brand, unlike Sony and Nintendo which either largely or ENTIRELY depend on their consoles
Microsoft right now is doing what Sega did to themselves in the 90s where the main branch is actively fucking over the xbox division
@@skieth9999
More like xbox being a whale trapped in a koi pond.
You're also forgetting the other benefits that microsoft reaps by xbox keeping the brand name constantly in people's mouths. They have a nigh monopoly on computing, but tapping into constant publicity is pretty good.
@@skieth9999 Do you have ANY proof for what youre talking about, or just going off general vibes?
Hope this makes sense, but Xbox feels to me like the part of the game industry most people doesn’t really care about or pay attention to (at least based on sales figures and general work of mouth) but want to be mildly charitable to cause they don’t wanna feel like they’re being some console warrior weirdo
I know exactly what you mean. That said I do tend to lean on the side of "competition is great, so can they please make Xbox an actual competitor!"
@@Kango234considering microsofts oldest answer to competition is buying out the said competition instead of improving, I’m a little less charitable of them.
@@clan741 name this oldest example you speak of.
The last time we had a console touted as the "biggest technological leap forward" was the PS3, which was a near-total failure in accomplishing any of its major goals.
The issue is that even if it was technically true, making games that are technologically impressive nowadays usually requires 10x the time and resource of your average old gen game so devs will just release unfinished games instead.
For the ps3 the big problem was that it was a difficult learning curve for devs to make games on it.
I literally didn't know that black shoebox behind Pat was what the modern x-box looked like.
I don't have a PS5 either (I've been almost exclusively PC gaming since after the PS2), but at least I had stumbled across what the thing looked like at some point.
On today's episode of *"Pat yells at cloud":*
My series x has become a glorified "60fps backwards compatibility machine" the only advantage it has over the ps5 is the internet app stayed.
Always remember that Microsoft bought rare to get donkey Kong....
I am always astonished by the inability of massive corporations to ask their lawyers basic questions. You'd think that's the one thing they'd all know how to do
What idiotas
Honestly at this point I'm looking at on there future exclusive games like they might as well just be Time exclusives especially this Phil said “I don't think we should as an industry ever rule out a game going to any other platform,” he explained. “We're focused on these four games and learning from the experience.”
well they aren't doing another xbox so yeah
I still love Game Pass. I have been burnt too much on full price games based on just general hype and now I want every game to have a demo of any kind and if I can play the entire game for $15 bucks, fuck it
Game pass is a great Rental service. You don’t own the games, but if you want to check it out it’s right there.
It’s easy for content creators and journalists to critique Game Pass, but there’s no denying it’s a steal for the average person who isn’t paid money to play video games. Even the non-Ultimate buy-in price is like $12 a month which is pretty crazy considering how many single-player games are on there. Essentially it’s a streamlined game rental service.
@@johnconnorpliskin7184 Yeah a lot of takes on Gamepass I kinda disregard when they're coming from content creators. I mean their job is playing games and they're given free games regularly, of course they're not going to see much value in Gamepass
I'll keep getting it as long as the gold to gamepass ratio is 1:1, i got like 3 years of gamepass by buying xbox gold and its awesome😊
@johnconnorpliskin7184 I'm literally playing through persona 3 rn because of it. I heckin love gamepass. Its a good seal as a consumer
"You realize noone knows what they're doing" really is true.
i didn't wanna double comment but the running gag of woolie taking years to play hit games i have really earns it merit when the video starts with pat having xbox-chan in frame and calls to it and smacks it and woolie takes a few seconds to be like "oh hey its in frame"
Crazy Talk will manifest a full Microsoft corporatocracy at this rate
I kinda hope so, Pat eating his words is a favourite past time of mine frankly.
Another one?
The funny part is they don't even **need** it...they're one of Homeland Sec's biggest contractors now. Our central bank hegemony literally just prints them infinite wealth
@@iller3 If it doesn't look like the Yoko Taro Sega dystopia mobile game, it's not far enough
@@iller3"That's right, Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth!"
Phil Spencer saying "hey we all get to play together no matter what console we are on" and Helldivers being exclusive is like finding out Phil Spencer's wife's boyfriend is just living in their house 😅
it's wild going back and forth between people saying that gamepass has been wildly successful ACTUALLY and then people saying it's been a disaster. honestly no idea who to believe lol. do we even have access to those numbers?
It's been wildly successful during key financial quarters because they time releases to juice KPI numbers
@@Vanity0666so investor successful but not actually successful
@@clan741 thats the way of everything right now, because legally shareholders are entitled to literally infinite growth and if infinite growth is not accomplished they can perform a hostile takeover of the company
Put this in perspective: If Xbox was doomed to fail like so many have BEEN saying for LITERALLY decades, don't you think it would've died already and NOT be around STILL in 2024?
Same thing can be said about Game Pass, if it was truly awful and non-money printing, you think MS+Xbox wouldn't have ALREADY pulled the plug?... Stop listening to fools on the Internet who think they know how things are going while pushing their own extremely obvious bias too.
@@Guile_The_Exile i think, as usual, the truth is probably somewhere in between. i'm sure it's not a "disaster", but i can see it maybe underperforming against their expectations
why don't they simply remake the 360
My Favourite thing is that every year or so Xbox announces they bought a studio or series of studios, A Bunch of Indie Studios (Double Fine, Compulsion, Etc.), Bethesda and later ABK and then nothing comes out, if half of those 30 dev teams made and released something over the last couple of years, maybe Xbox would have had enough Exclusives stacked together to sell units but instead they have like three games (Hi-Fi, Starfield and Pentiment) and seem adament in giving them away because no one has bought a Xbox.
They have others but the issue is that Microsoft Upper management seems committed to ensuring that the games come out bad most of the time
Forza Horizon is pretty good. Flight Sim is pretty good
But the games that are system-sellers, like Halo or Starfield come out jank or shit and barely move the needle on console sales
@@skieth9999 They seem determined to undermine the prestige that Nintendo and Playstation Games seem to have, God of War doesn't have a shitty exploitive Season Pass
they also have Psychonauts 2 :o
also they should put Fable 2 and 3 out on steam, i'd buy them
so many halo games with golden ideas were probably pitched and rejected over the years just to prioritize halo infinite's microtransaction store and no campaign DLC at all.(10 years of service for what lol? just more microtransactions?)
One of the halo wars 2 dev's apparently pitched an idea for space combat for HW3, the unique halo spaceships that have so much lore in the games and EU that most of the fanbase almost never get's to see, that would've been perfect game to use the ships. (Hell i would've bought it just for space warfare alone even if it had traditional ground combat.) but nah...let's sell the armor coating color blue for 5-10 dollars in the store.
man being a modern halo fan is frustrating eh?
Tbf, those games would've still been made under 343. With their near unfunctional contract employee system.
Would you rather have Bad ODST sequels or none at all?
I just think of all the people angry at Nintendo for Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive when Platinum had gone to both Microsoft *and* Sony to pitch Bayonetta 2 and they *both* passed on it.
If you're just gonna leave money on the table, don't complain when the other folks take it for you!
Frustrating is an understatement, 343 gave me a perma ban on the forums for calling one of the armor coatings ugly.
Pat mentioning 343 wanting to make a Halo game with ODSTs that would've played like Helldivers 2 and Microsoft shutting it down dealt me physical damage. THEY HAVE SO FEW GOOD IDEAS AND YOU DON'T LET THEM USE THE ONES THEY HAVE?
if pat keeps mentioning helldivers woolie might play it
GAME FULL, DON'T COME
I can finally play Hi Fi Rush now
Legit playing Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth on an Xbox while I listen to this.
The better persona 3
xberx...
These days microsoft is mainly a cloud services provider. It kinda makes sense that they care more about digital then hardware.
Playstation has been very clear about why porting exclusives to PCs works. That happens about two years after the initial release and even brings in people from PC who want the next game early. Case in point the FF7 Remake selling insanely well, getting ported, everyone knows Rebirth will do the exact same thing, and people are still buying PS5s to get it years early. Same with God of War Ragnarok and Horizon 2. Plus people double dip and you get money from a new audience.
Xbox could just copy that strategy, I don't know what's going on in their management.
I think Sony is also deliberately vague about which games are coming to PC and when. It's been nearly four years since Ghost of Tsushima came out, but it hasn't hit PC yet and we don't know when/if it will.
I think this ambiguity makes it harder for people to say "I'll just wait XX months" and then okay it on PC.
It probably helps Sony's console sales when they release God of War 2018 on PC shortly before they ramp up the marketing campaign for God of War Ragnarok. I've seen a few streamers play GOW 2018 on PC and then buy a PS5 for Ragnarok.
I think most PC gamers are content to wait and play Sony games if and when they come to PC. But there is a greater than zero number of PC gamers that buy a PS5 because they don't want to wait.
I had no idea Microsoft blew off that many games that turned out to be absolute bangers!. Halo Helldivers? Spiderman? Resident Evil 4? Genshin? Fuckin wow. What a terribly run company. Insanity!
Man forget scalebound i want blinx crimson skies and PGR reboots
A crimson skies reboot would make me seriously consider getting my hands on one
i don't care about xbox, but i did watch that video, and phil didn't say that there wasn't growth during the pandemic years, he said there wasn't growth last year. you might remember that all the tech companies hired on a ton of people a couple of years ago, because that was the trend at the time. well now they unfortunately need to be let go, because the pandemic videogame boom is over
no, it's because Venture Capital firms have stopped throwing unlimited money at games studios and started throwing unlimited money at AI tech startups instead
It's very easy to say the industry did a no-growth when the capital goes from literally infinity to somewhere south of unlimited
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You click the right stick five times in 10 seconds and it asks you to turn off sticky keys
Having watched pat "watch" the podcast, he is not capable of having a real conversation about this
xbox has to be committed to hardware because of gamepass. They need their own physical box to sell gamepass subscriptions because they'd lose a huge chunk of their subscribers if they abandoned hardware. And they've said gamepass isn't coming to ps or nintendo so they can't expand that way. As long as gamepass is stuck on microsoft platforms they'll keep making hardware.
I bought a PS4 just to play Guilty Gear and then it came out on PC and I'd rather act like I disowned the console than buy Bloodborne on it.
To add to the Microsoft failures, they passed on having an xbox version of baulders gate 3 because they thought it would flop hard and they could buy larian after. Boy that didnt work out, huh?
Remember too that BG3, like any game that goes to Xbox this gen, has to be kneecaped so it will run on the much weaker Series S.
@@GFSA3 At this point, who gives a shit? The best games being made today dont even use the best graphics that exist.And the ones that do are shitty walking sims or linear narrative action games. OH JOY! While graphical fidelity will never peak because of hardware, it has plateaued because of the amount of money needed to make it happen. Its unsustainable and theres nothing in it for ANYONE (devs, investors, publishers) to bother with pushing the graphical envelope when what we have RIGHT NOW is solid enough.
@@lordxmugen I'm talking about just graphical fidelity. Do I enjoy the hyper detailed stuff? Yes. Do I also enjoy less detailed but more stylized graphics? Yes. It's an overall thing. I believe it was Larian themselves that said BG3 was taking a long time to hit Xbox because the Series S couldn't handle the multiplayer in any capacity. The Series S is just too far below the baseline in every category.
I appreciate Microsoft's commitment to non-exclusivity on the basis that I get to play a bunch of games I wouldn't be able to otherwise, but I'd be lying if I said it had me in a rush to purchase an XBox.
Sony HAS put a few games on Xbox (and Switch): the last few entries of MLB The Show. Mostly because the MLB saw the cash Sony was leaving on the table and threatened to pull the license. Example that proves the rule?
There is ZERO chance Hi Fi Rush plays well on the switch, right? I would imagine the port / input delay would make a rhythm based combat game really hard for the platform
Here's the thing: normies don't care. You know how Hogwarts Legacy sold gangbusters but nobody really talks about it or plays it? That's because a MASSIVE contingent of people who buy and play games aren't online. They don't care about resolutions, they don't count framerates. They buy the thing they recognize. So they don't care if a game on the Switch runs the worst, they just bought a Switch because they wanted to get a Nintendo game along with it and decided they'd get some other game while they're at it.
You know between all the Xbox weirdness and Sony saying PS5 is EoL. I think this gen just sucked all around. It might get saved by GTA 6 next year, but both consoles were mostly undermined by the PS4. I mean even Relink which came out this year is still on PS4. I say PS4 specifically because I don't think Microsoft porting everything to PC was that damaging since people who are willing to build a strong enough PC are far from considering a console and are out of the main demographics for them. I think the early scalping created a vicious cycle where devs refused to make new gen only games. But Tekken 8 just came out and it was a hit so maybe I'm full of shit
1. No one wanted to buy a $500+ console
2. There was no available supply to the people who did want them for years because scalpers bought the entire stock
Not to mention they are a global company and providing services to a global consumer base, while charging the price of a used car in numerous countries for a PS5 let alone any games
@@Vanity0666 Yeah I mentioned the scalpers when I talked about how they created the vicious cycle of "devs don't want to make games for it because people don't have it so people don't buy it because there are no games for it, so devs don't make games for it becau-"
I think a lot of developers would also rather be making games for the PS4 when that means their game will be available on two consoles instead of one. Everything playable on a PS4 is playable on a PS5, but not vice versa after all.
Kinda illustrates how pointless the new gen is as well since there's no 'exciting new tech' for devs to play with when making current gen games. The previous gen could still be going and the industry would have missed out on nothing. Except Spider-Man 2 might have had the same load times as the first game. Perish the thought.
@@Roronoa2zoro the problem with the ps4 is that it was (meaningfully) affordable, like the ps2 was, which means the global market is necessarily tied to that level of hardware for development to make the greatest potential sales revenue.
It launched at a reasonable price, had solid pack-in titles and bundles, and several SKUs which further dropped the price of the base model.
The PS3 had the benefit of being the least expensive blu-ray player available on the market when it launched at $600 and that allowed Sony to float the initial costs and the dogshit powerPC CELL architecture when it should have been their equivalent of the Sega Saturn.
The PS5 has nothing.
Man, really cool of Xbox to show off Persona 3 Reload. I bought it on steam
343i may have the idea for an ODST spin off like HellDivers, what could tell you if it would be half as fun at all. They have been messing halo for many years and don't make anybody happy. Nobody cared for infinite
It is also important to point out that both Sony and Nintendo, are both public companies that have to answer to shareholders, and the question is. So what is Xbox's excuse? In my opinion, if Xbox or their parent company, Microsoft, didn't have shareholders' goals to accomplished, that doesn't mean that they would have been more competitive.
PS has also said that they wanna focus on multiplat recently and generally pc ports are like the best way to have game preservation in the long term now so this whole console wars thing about selling boxes just seems like an afterthought now and I really dont have any reason to care about it
Also PS fucking port Gravity Rush you cowards
I hope they dont stop making hardware, i prefer their controllers. I dont care about the console just the controllers
hell yeah.
I feel like as pc players we should probably avoid framing console arguments from a pc player perspective, "why should anyone buy a console when they can have a pc" ignore the fact pcs are a pain in the ass and realistically cost 3 times the price
I cannot believe that Phil Spencer comment that good games don't matter. That is the entire fucking reason people buy consoles. When the 360 came out they had Mass Effect, Halo 3, Gears, and BioShock. Those games did not exist on PS3 and I was way too young to understand the concept of a "timed exclusive". Fast forward to Christmas 2009 and I'm opening up a PS3 with Infamous and Batman: Arkham Asylum packed in. Then I'm playing Uncharted, Killzone, Littlebigplanet, Heavy Rain, God of War 3, Last of Us, and others. Fast forward to Christmas 2013 and I'm opening up a PS4 with NO GAMES IM INTERESTED IN aside from Killzone: Shadow Fall and Battlefield 4 and playing Resogun on a loop for like a year straight all because of the promise of the next Uncharted game being imminent. Fast forward to 2020 and in the option of getting a PS5 or Xbox as an adult, I opt to purchase a PS5 for $500 and a year later I grab the Series S for Halo Infinite and so I can subscribe to Game Pass so the indies I like will just come and go on a shittily made UI so I'm not spending hundreds on games per month. The best thing Xbox has dome is basically offer things at a discount, which is fantastic for consumers but does jack shit for anybody else. Since Halo Infinite, I have no purchased a single game for over $40 on my Xbox. I don't expect to boot my Xbox up and spend $70. I have bought 28 games in the last year at full price on my PS5 and if Starfield, Lies of P, Forza Motorsport, Hellblade 2, and others were on PS5 and there was no Game Pass I absolutely would have purchased those games on PS5 for whatever the day one asking price was, no questions asked. Mind-blowing to me that is the strategy for them.
I just wish Xbox had more fucking faith in the IPs they already own instead of just piggybacking off of already popular IPs.
Like for fucks sake how do you see the N-Sane Trilogy selling and reviewing critically well and not think to MAKE A BANJO KAZOOIE REMAKE?!
Even if Banjo Kazooie isn't as popular, it would've at least given people an option to point at instead of going.
"PS4 has the N-Sane trilogy, but Xbox has......"
Why would they think "Banjo" from Crash Bandicoot? They'd think "more Crash games", not even consider a dead IP that only got a literal FLASH of relevancy a few years ago.
@@anthonychessar7179I'm saying that because, before the buyout, Banjo was the IP Microsoft could've put in the Budget to market as a competitor. Given a platformer equivalent for the people that bought an Xbox to not sulk too much over not having the N-Sane trilogy machine.
Again, even if it wasn't as popular, it would've been popular enough to market as an option for platformer lovers.
Even if Killer Instinct isn't as popular as MK or SF, Sony doesn't have an exclusive Fighter atm. a New KI with the budget of a modern fighting game could be a damn good reason for fighting game players to buy an Xbox. As opposed to Sony's mostly lack of fighting game exclusives. Given NetherRealms a tumble/competition to their Western Fighting gamedev throne.
You can't tell me a new KI game(that's good) with the budget of SF6 wouldn't do well in this market.
Investors can no longer tolerate the concept of risk in investments, where it used to be an understood and necessary aspect of investing, especially in the creative/entertainment industry.
aside from buying rareware's IP's and talented devs and then doing nothing with the IP's and making rare do sports games the thing that i hated about xbox that became industry stander was you the customer going out buying the console and a game getting a cool tv hooking up your etherne cable and getting all of that to work then them being like "now give us 50 more bucks and we will ALLOW you to play games online" made no sense to me so im glad i got my hot dogs at this camp fire
Rareware's audience was nintendo fans so moving to xbox was really fucking awkward, they turned their pokemon exploration game Kameo into a linear beat em up where you impale ogres as mascots which barely appealed to anyone. And they remade/rebooted a bunch of games with this new audience in mind while forgetting the appeal of those original games. Theres countless interviews that show that Xbox never took away creative freedom from anyone, Rare wanted to make games for the kinect, it wasnt forced onto them.
I made a video essay about Kameo a while ago so ai had to dig up like every interview about their shift to microsoft, its really interesting how people just refuse to accept that Rare willingly chose this path.
@@amysel at least we both agree asking for the privilege to play online is dumb
It’s important to remember that not only is money worth less and plummeting in value, due to geopolitical games of ‘Im not touching u’, but the US Federal Reserve turned off the rich people’s infinite money cheats. This means that companies will have to reconcile their recently-gained ambitions of total societal control, born from a period where money was free for rich people, with their actual necessary conditions and legal obligations to shareholders. As usual, nobody who has caused this will suffer any consequence from this, but bread loaves will soon cost $80.
you're a crazy person.
I find it weird how I've had people tell me that exclusives are not only bad and anti-consumer, but that exclusives *stop* competition, and I am curious as to how old some of these people are. Are they mad that they got a console in the past and didn't get games they wanted? Or are they too young and they say "exclusives don't matter" despite decades of gaming saying otherwise?
Also, as many issues Sony and Nintendo have, Microsoft just feels like the most dishonest one. Sony and Nintendo can, will, and have made questionable and poor business decisions (or ones perceived as bad. I mean, I have no use for a Sony Portal but it doesn't mean I don't see any purpose to it), but MS just has this more underhanded nature to them. I remember during the ABK buyout, on Xbox's side, they said that 10 years is enough time for Sony to make something that can compete with Call of Duty, when MS themselves couldn't do it themselves either.
19:25 to be fair, 343 has made like maybe 1 and a half good halo games in their entire existence. It’s me being very charitable, but papa Microsoft probably knew it was too much for their dumbest child to attempt.
Can you imagine the overmonetized pile of garbage that thing would be
@@cartersilva5298 I’d look forward to them attempting to make Titanfall of Dutyfield again, but this time with a different title and none of what makes the fourteen things they’re stealing from unique or interesting.
I would like to think that this somehow has something to do with Xbox at this point have the worst naming convention scheme of the consoles.
Valve continues their series of wins by NOT announcing that they will be releasing a podcast in 10 days.
What if Microsoft bundles a year of Gamepass for free when you purchase an Xbox? Would that help?
As someone who has a PS5, its literally my Demons Souls machine and a back up third party machine in case of a bad PC port. But I really don't use it that much and FF7 Remake was disappointing for me.
Does it really have the magic instant loading times it's supposed to?
Controller's great though, it ended up replacing my Series X/S gamepad on PC with Sony adding actual support for it in Steam and a firmware updater.
I don't know when it started, but back in 2018 - 2019 (roughly) Xbox controllers started desyncing randomly. Wireless or wired, doesn't matter. The DualSense post Sony/Steam drivers hasn't disconnected once, you just have to have a long USB-C cable to use all it's features.
@@neighandwhinnymchorse2100 yes, but it depends on the game of course. Warframe loads on the dot i can gaurantee. Most other games are pretty fast too.
More demanding games will always take a non instant amount of time unless your machine is cutting edge and fully comptatible
In regards to used games and the hole Xbox debacle back in the day upon reflection currently I have no physical media I don’t even remember what the game I went out and physically purchased was and I’m assuming that holds true with most people nowadays it’s just crazy how the market accepts thing when you don’t try and force things on people
What is just as funny is Sony came out the day before and pretty much confirmed that they have to go day and date to PC because their profit margins are almost nonexistent on their current hardware.
Mark my words, Nintendo is going to be the only one with exclusives in the next 10 years.
@@baronvonslambert Nintendo is still the king of the console space and Microsoft and Sony wish they could tug on their cape.
Sony and Microsoft pivoted their consoles to be more and more like PCs. And now they are both releasing their games on PC. Soon, Sony will be day and date like Microsoft. And, just like Microsoft, Sony will have to release their games on other consoles because, like Microsoft, console sales are not enough and they must infinitely expand.
Nintendo, decided to do their own thing and have pioneered portable console devices to the point that even Valve copied them to great success. I suspect the next Xbox and Playstation will be portable gaming consoles too.
Honestly, what Microsoft is doing right now is pretty smart. Shooting themselves in the foot short term, but they have been able to pivot themselves into having a strong foothold in the PC space (game wise). They are actually in a much stronger position financially than Sony, which is crazy considering Sony has sold more consoles, but console sales mean less and less with each generation as more and more people move to PC.
Eventually, I see Playstation and Xbox being the main platforms for their games, but everything of theirs will be everywhere. Effectively, like buying a pre-built tower. And they barely make money off console sales anyway. Game sales (specifically digital) and subscriptions are the main money makers for both now. Why do you think Sony doubled the price for their online service without offering anything new for it? Because they could and PS fans ate it up.
Nintendo's games are probably so much cheaper to make, and sell twice as much as they've build up a lot of franchise security over the decades, which I imagine helps them feel safe with exclusives.
@@ryangallagher8194 Very much so. You buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games. You buy and Xbox and Playstation for the 3rd party games and the first party titles are just a bonus.
@@ryangallagher8194 Nintendo has decades of built-up public presence and goodwill, know how to develop games with sensible budgets, have the benefit of a ton of senior talent at their studios to ensure proper training and leadership on major projects, and use software that, *because* its old, people know inside and out and have an easy time compiling.
And then they can pad out all of their major releases with a ton of smaller AA titles because it turns out the Switch is the last bastion for other third-party mid-budget games that wouldn't be given a second glance on other "next-gen" consoles.
Nintendo has made a ton of bad decisions, and whatever console they make next is going to live in the Switch's shadow. But they watch where they step, and you don't build up a foundation like they have by rushing towards short-term goals.
PHANTOM
DUST
Moneys on, the newest xbox is built into a tv
The thing I've learned from watching this company the past several years.
Don Mattrick: People *hate* used car salesmen.
Phil Spencer: People *love* used car salesmen.
Don was pushing for crap absolutely nobody wanted/needed and he is rightly infamous for it. Phil on the other hand tells people whatever they want to hear, regardless of the reality of the situation and that is why people love/hate him. Phil likes to say it would be cool if (insert franchise here, such as Mechassault which he said again recently) came back, when he has the power to actually make it happen when he just wants to pander to his weird diehard fanbase. Phil is nowhere near as bad as Don, but his two faced nature makes it hard for most people to take him seriously. Microsoft isn't going anywhere. They are likely however to keep tripping over their own hubris and money at almost every opportunity.
helldivers 2 port... save me...
helldivers 2 port
save me helldivers 2 port
11:40 my conspiracy theory was that they intentionally manufactured all of the blizzard drama happen to make the buying price drop.... but yeah they still paid a ton for it sooo probably not true
Manufactured? Pretty much impossible. But I’d almost bet money on them having pulled a few strings and gotten a few people in touch with journalists.
Game pass is the best part of Xbox cause I don’t gotta buy a Xbox
Yeah, i love gamepass but its exclusively on my pc.
@@invaderpez12 that’s what I love
I mean the backwards compatibility is pretty cool.
Could those that got laid off work group together and create their own studios?
No, because no one's investing in games in 2024. The general advice is "survive 2024, then hope GTA6 kicks off new investment interest next year".
Yeah, I've said it a lot. Modern console wars stuff still exists because most people do not want to spend $500 for a box that plays video games in the first place and then once they have spent it they absolutely do not want to have spent it on the wrong box! And there will be a wrong box, always! For the last two generations, it's clearly been the xbox!
It has very little to do with the digital library you've built up--realistically you will barely play those titles and the ones you will play will have fallen in price to be way below the cost of buying the wrong $500 box--and more to do with new, upcoming software. One of the boxes will be missing some or all of what you would like to play and that's a $500+ mistake to correct.
I also think "all the games end up on PC anyway" doesn't really hurt Sony at all. Even though I'm primarily a PC gamer, I have friends who are console only and I talk to them about games so, uh, I'm not waiting even 3 months to buy FF7 Rebirth. I instead reluctantly own a PS5 and will be buying and playing the game on release so I can talk about it. And then I'll probably buy it again on PC on a sale eventually before FF7 Rewhatever releases to play it with better graphics/performance. They've got me. Their plan is effective. Microsoft's plan of no games I am interested in is not effective in comparison.
0:11 100%
38:30 Woolie slowly building Communism brick by verbal brick, his eyes practically dead as he looks at the world's evil.
If it is "we are not doing exclusivity anymore", then I'm fucking down
Exclusivity drew the lines in the sand for the console wars. Now no Exclusivity will break the baggage from years of consumers doubling-down 😅
The problem is they are a necessary evil. Cuz without them, Xbox has more or less nothing to compete with against a PS. so no point in buying their boxy consoles.
Sony is the end result of putting your games on PC. Who's gonna buy your console if they can just get all your exclusives on PC? People are actually buying Switches to play Nintendo's games. There's value right off the bat.
@@Levitz9 except for people who are stubborn enough to just either go without or pirate the game. Haven't played a new Pokemon game since sun and moon because I'm not going to buy a console for one mediocre series
28:11 is the reason i've never bought either an Xbox or PS5 this gen cause i know the games are just gonna come to PC
Now that Hi-Fi Rush is coming to the PS5 like, tomorrow, I have 0 reason to personally/currently care about XBox.
Especially since all new Doom is also coming on all platforms making their platforms even more useless the only thing I'm waiting for now is whenever they bring hectic hexin hexen2 on PlayStation and I'll be happy but then again PlayStation's also fucking up with there bullshit monetization
Trade bloodborne and Zelda games for Halo franchise access and make gamer happy for the first time.
In seriousness though I like gamepass, the last game I bought was jedi survivor. It's great.. but if xbox has given up on exclusives then what's the point in getting one next gen.. but what will happen to my digital games? They are just stuck on that console so I can't trade in I'm guessing, Feels like Phil's really fucked over xbox owners
As an xbox player who bought the series x mainly because 9f the games I downloaded on older hardware that I don't wanna rebuy on playstation makes me angry to know that Microsoft snuffed spiderman.... are they allergic to awesome shit!! I'm here having to endure sub par halo and starfeild being boring (but at least for me the most stable Bethesda game I have experienced). It feels like Microsoft kind of forgot about their console because yeah they make pc software but funking come on do something with your funking console!!! I'm here seeing final fantasy 7 rebirth being the shit on ps5 and I'm here with Microsoft saying we spent 65 billion dollars on a company for literally no reason!!! There was no funking reason to buy Activision blizzard other then clout I guess?! And the fact that A/B were in meltdown prior and during the sale! I get buying Bethesda to avoid sony making starfeild an exclusive but what did Activision have in the pipeline that would have been worth it? Apparently nothing!!
I share Woolies' sentiments about PC gaming versus console gaming. Tweaking setting is annoying game to game and consoles just keep things simple and quick.
It seems the older a game is the bigger a pain it is to get it to run on modern PCs. Why spend hours tweaking game settings, pc settings or troubleshooting a game just to maybe get it to run better? I'd love to just load up Stalker and play. I got 15 minutes in before the game crashes. Extremely annoying. For every exception to this rule (like Max Payne 2 which runs beautifully on modern pcs no problem) there are dozens of examples of older games just requiring too much troubleshooting to get running. I can spend more time getting the original Alone In the Dark to run properly than it would actually take to play the game and thats really stupid. I like to play games. Not settings tweak and troubleshoot.
You have a point for sure, but in complete fairness, STALKER has been borderline nonfunctional on nearly every PC in existence since before it even launched in the first place. That game is simply hexed by a dark and mirthful god.
@@Crembaw Stalker made me doubtful whenever firing up a game older than 15 years. I'm still tilted about Stalker because they really seem like games I'd be into too. And I've never made it past the menu screen for Fallout 1 before it crashes to desktop. 90s games like Fallout or Unreal just seem to be cursed. I think the oldest game I've ever gotten working on my rig was Death Rally. Remedy (the dev for Death Rally and Max Payne 2) must be keeping an eye on their catalog's pc optimization.
I managed to get Sonic Generations running for three separate play sessions and then on the fourth the launcher just. stopped working. game wouldn't start. absolute nonsense LMAO
Pretty much why I don't play on PC, even though I have a decent rig. I wanna play a game, I don't want to spend hours finnagling a game's setting for ten minutes of playtime.
Pat was/is so damn cynical about it. Im genuinely surprised that Yovideogames podcast wasnt on this level when talking about it. I felt like i learned more
To be blunt, Simmons can be a real bad take machine
@@moddrew546and max is a wet noodle take machine
Pat is like a factory of awful takes for like the majority of things he talks about, though. I have no horse in this race, but I've been regularly floored by most of his awful opinions for years
i don't care about any other announcements right now, i just discovered that a sequel to Wild Zero is being made omg :o .
Damn, Woolie might be right that the next Xbox is just going to be a pre-built PC, but with the Xbox branding name lol. Xbox only cares about the 'ecosystem' which is gamepass. That is the platform now and they want it to be available everywhere, hell even on the Switch and PS5 if they were given permission. The console is just secondary at this point, which unfortunately for Xbox, is costing them a lot of money.
Also, there's a brewing problem for Xbox's gamepass and that is the games themselves. They're getting desperate by buying up all these games studios and now, buying up giants like Activision Blizzard.
Phil specter gets ask about the next generation of Xbox gets up on a desk with a guitar “ We’re not gonna make it! No we ain’t gonna make it! We’re not gonnna make it anymore!”
When did people start liking sea lf thieves? Not being funny or anything, I've literally never touched or watched anything on the game myself. But I could've sworn people didn't like it on release. Is this like a Destiny situation where people just play it anyways?
They updated the game to have actually good content since it had shit at launch
Xbox should have abandoned the bro shooter shit ages ago and done more hif fi rush, scalebound and sunset overdrive. But instead we got halo and stuff that fell off.
At the end of the day im happy i have gamepass becuase I can play shit for cheap but i do hope they put out some more decent stuff eventually.
Halo infinites doing fine now. But then again, it is also microsofts fault for its own problems.
Helldivers 2 proved the bro-shooters still worked and microsoft shut down a Halo version of that from 343.
Exbonks
btw fuq embracer group
And it’s only gotten worst
The next gen Xbox is going to be a tablet
Crazy idea: track ownners of a used game, like a blockchain.
You'll be able to track cartridges/CDs which has been used by popular people and skyrocket the price for them.
i highly doubt that's possible. well ok anything's possible, but no one's going to go through the trouble.
Ah yes that gamepass. I love being able to rent a game for a month and have to play a game like Dragon Quest 11 enough to beat in in said month before it’s removed. Gamepass is nothing more than a glorified demo service.
I mean, Xbox game studios are not that huge to pull people to buy a console for it.
If people didn't buy an xbox in a year for your "special game" they are not going to buy it ever.
I'm sorry you can't call the Xbox a "useless" box if you're coming into the convo where you started you library of games on A. A PS (a brand who just loves NOT preserving games from the past btw) B. PC or C. Both A and B.
They lost ever since sony put out the how to share games bit
Still can't believe Phil Spenshit didn't say the line
that's not even clever.
@@miguelnewmexico8641 who said it was lol