In theory, the linkages of an EUC could be designed with a progressive curve - that's the benefit of linkage designs (they can vary the ratio of suspension compression to wheel movement), turning a linear shock like a coil into a progressive one. Progressive springs are much more important for stanchion designs like the Leaperkim wheels because they are stuck with a single ratio of compression without the linkage. Of course, most EUC manufacturers appear to have basically no idea what they're doing or designing for when it comes to linkages, and honestly it's pretty similar for the 3rd party linkage designers as well... so a progressive air shock tends to be a benefit anyway :/. Most linkage ratios I see probably aren't progressive enough for a linear coil shock to feel good on both regular terrain and avoid bottom-outs on even fairly benign jumps, unless the wheel has gobs of travel like an S22 or extreme.
I’ve been thinking about a dual suspension for EUCs, where the motor/wheel is suspended from the chassis/battery, which has a suspended pedal system. This would allow maximum rebound responsiveness, isolate the rider from impacts needing progressive force, and float the rider with a linear air suspension. And yes, I cannot understand why these companies don’t sub-contract their mechanical designs. Pedal dipping is another example of something that took way too long to figure out, whereas an orbital dynamics engineer could have solved for the causality, and not just compensate for the symptoms as they arise. I’m still holding out for a Bose-styled linear-motor suspension… with jump assist modes.
I ride an extreme, and I weigh 150 pounds. Im running a 900 lb coil and I don't have an issue with bottoming out. I have a decent amount of preload cranked and I have sag but I can still take nice drops and jump onto flat without bottoming out.
Regarding pedals hitting you. Instead of silicone, I use a piece of rubber tube (i believe it’s from an old air pump, buy you can choose anything), i cut it along its length and use zipties to secure it on the outer border of pedals.
for armored shirt I recommend the knox gear. I have the hollister which I wear as a base layer on my motorcycle as well, is AAA rated. For only unicycle the urban pro is a bit lighter and is AA rated . For ankle protection/support motocross boots might be the answer, but I have yet to find a pair that have a suitable sole.
Nice that you have mentioned starching. I think that saved my ass much more times than the gear itself. As always, kudos bro, no bulshit, only good info 👊 btw. Lately I started to jump some on SS, which is my street wheel... For that kind of brick it sends quite well. Still keeping S22 though. ✌️
this video was really helpful thank you for all this information I'll be getting my first EUC this year in your experience what EUC models are durable enough to survive a serious crash? i can only ever afford one EUC I've been saving up for a few years so i really don't want it to break its going to be my main form of transportation but also for serious fun and adventure I live in Colorado we have a ton of offroad trails and the main roads can get pretty rough also the weather changes every 5 minutes i would really appreciate any recommendations or advice you might have?
Thanks ! Yes unfortunately the goggles will limit your fov a little bit, and I guess it will differ from a model to another. Best advice I could give you is to try different models before buying. But I’d say it’s a nice trade off anyway because it’s much more convenient to ride with goggles
@@chapeauxderoue343 Yea. The model I have now have a to narrow FOV for my liking. Perhaps a goggle review video for EUC riders is a good idea. (Poke, poke) 😁 On a other note why not use a helmet with a flip up visor?
Nice video!! I’ve found the 900lb coil stock shock pretty good for me, im 200lb tho lol, I have the sag but it can get a little bouncy if u ride too stiff or tired lol. Not perfect but good budget option
Hi.. thanks for the info... what air shocks do you recommend?. My weight is around 195lbs with all my gear.. btw. I have a Master v3. Thanks in advance
Hi, I cannot recommand a brand in particular, most famous mtb shock brands are good, the most important thing is to have the right size and tuning. Also if you can buy it second hand, you'll save a lot of money
@@Ronin_Ryder oh la mais c'était pas méchant et loin d'être agressif. Je suppose que le chapeau pouvait se defendre seul 🤣. Je te connais pas mais tu dois manquer un peu d'humour et de calme. Tout cela n'est pas bien grave petit alors roule tranquillement 😜 Sache que je me permet beaucoup de choses et il faudra que tu apprennes que la critique est souvent constructive et permet de progresser Hablo inglesh mucho gracias 😅
In theory, the linkages of an EUC could be designed with a progressive curve - that's the benefit of linkage designs (they can vary the ratio of suspension compression to wheel movement), turning a linear shock like a coil into a progressive one. Progressive springs are much more important for stanchion designs like the Leaperkim wheels because they are stuck with a single ratio of compression without the linkage.
Of course, most EUC manufacturers appear to have basically no idea what they're doing or designing for when it comes to linkages, and honestly it's pretty similar for the 3rd party linkage designers as well... so a progressive air shock tends to be a benefit anyway :/. Most linkage ratios I see probably aren't progressive enough for a linear coil shock to feel good on both regular terrain and avoid bottom-outs on even fairly benign jumps, unless the wheel has gobs of travel like an S22 or extreme.
I’ve been thinking about a dual suspension for EUCs, where the motor/wheel is suspended from the chassis/battery, which has a suspended pedal system. This would allow maximum rebound responsiveness, isolate the rider from impacts needing progressive force, and float the rider with a linear air suspension.
And yes, I cannot understand why these companies don’t sub-contract their mechanical designs. Pedal dipping is another example of something that took way too long to figure out, whereas an orbital dynamics engineer could have solved for the causality, and not just compensate for the symptoms as they arise.
I’m still holding out for a Bose-styled linear-motor suspension… with jump assist modes.
Love your input guys
I ride an extreme, and I weigh 150 pounds. Im running a 900 lb coil and I don't have an issue with bottoming out. I have a decent amount of preload cranked and I have sag but I can still take nice drops and jump onto flat without bottoming out.
Regarding pedals hitting you. Instead of silicone, I use a piece of rubber tube (i believe it’s from an old air pump, buy you can choose anything), i cut it along its length and use zipties to secure it on the outer border of pedals.
Wow, amazingly informative and fun video! No BS here just pure experience:)
Thanks mate, appreciated
You look like an hollywood actor 😊 thanks for video ❤
Thanks bro 😄
Awesome brother! The community needs this information
Thank you bro ! Appreciate the kind words ;)
for armored shirt I recommend the knox gear. I have the hollister which I wear as a base layer on my motorcycle as well, is AAA rated. For only unicycle the urban pro is a bit lighter and is AA rated .
For ankle protection/support motocross boots might be the answer, but I have yet to find a pair that have a suitable sole.
Nice that you have mentioned starching. I think that saved my ass much more times than the gear itself. As always, kudos bro, no bulshit, only good info 👊 btw. Lately I started to jump some on SS, which is my street wheel... For that kind of brick it sends quite well. Still keeping S22 though. ✌️
Glad you liked the video ! And hopefully the perfect wheel for downhill will arrive soon ;)
Great video. It was quite informative and rational.
Excellente vidéo comme d'hab. Pour information quelle est la longueur de l'amortisseur et sa course pour le S22 pro ?
Merci 🙏 240x76 si je ne m’abuse. Par contre cette dimension se fait de moins en moins, c’est embêtant
Just subscribed, great video ⚡️
Thanks, appreciated 👊
Can you list your setup for your protective pads on the wheel? I would like to recreate the same setup!
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this video was really helpful thank you for all this information I'll be getting my first EUC this year in your experience what EUC models are durable enough to survive a serious crash? i can only ever afford one EUC I've been saving up for a few years so i really don't want it to break its going to be my main form of transportation but also for serious fun and adventure I live in Colorado we have a ton of offroad trails and the main roads can get pretty rough also the weather changes every 5 minutes i would really appreciate any recommendations or advice you might have?
Most recent EUCs right now can survive crashes no problem so you should be fine with any of them.
what armor shirt is that?
do you find the impact armor enough? or is a jacket with TPU better? I am looking at the AAA rated knox shirt
This is the poc oseus vpd jacket. The pads inside are probably amongst the most protective you’ll ever find on the (mtb) market
Super nice content! On googles. I like them but I find the limited FOV to be a problem. Do you have any tips on that?
Thanks ! Yes unfortunately the goggles will limit your fov a little bit, and I guess it will differ from a model to another. Best advice I could give you is to try different models before buying. But I’d say it’s a nice trade off anyway because it’s much more convenient to ride with goggles
@@chapeauxderoue343 Yea. The model I have now have a to narrow FOV for my liking. Perhaps a goggle review video for EUC riders is a good idea. (Poke, poke) 😁 On a other note why not use a helmet with a flip up visor?
Nice video!! I’ve found the 900lb coil stock shock pretty good for me, im 200lb tho lol, I have the sag but it can get a little bouncy if u ride too stiff or tired lol. Not perfect but good budget option
We’ll check together if I manage to bottom it out haha
Gotta hit the gym before my lynx arrives.
🤣 u don't need to, pretty easy don't worry
Haha very good decision 😎
Yes, a bigger tire. I bought one of the 16" wheel last time and ride a lot of off road. No thanks for a 16-incher.
20" wheel waa the error here.
16's where its at 😎
I'm loving my s22 Pro . I watched the lynx videos and they're cool but I'm not tempted I'm loving the s22 pro and I think people sleep on it
Allons-y!
Oui!!
Hi.. thanks for the info... what air shocks do you recommend?. My weight is around 195lbs with all my gear.. btw. I have a Master v3. Thanks in advance
Hi, I cannot recommand a brand in particular, most famous mtb shock brands are good, the most important thing is to have the right size and tuning. Also if you can buy it second hand, you'll save a lot of money
I also am looking for options for the air shock, which one are you using in this video?
valar morghulis.
And suspenders 😂
They are the most important
Super mais ton accent ça fait mal à la tête 😂
Je suppose que tu dois avoir un accent US irreprochable pour te permettre une remarque desobligeante pareille...
@@Ronin_Ryder oh la mais c'était pas méchant et loin d'être agressif. Je suppose que le chapeau pouvait se defendre seul 🤣.
Je te connais pas mais tu dois manquer un peu d'humour et de calme.
Tout cela n'est pas bien grave petit alors roule tranquillement 😜
Sache que je me permet beaucoup de choses et il faudra que tu apprennes que la critique est souvent constructive et permet de progresser
Hablo inglesh mucho gracias 😅
@@pourlaverite1045C'etait juste une reflexion que je me faisais "OKLM" en lisant ton com... Au plaisir!
@@Ronin_Ryder il paraît que le français est râleur, il faut faire avec ! merci pour ton soutient sans faille à mon accent en tout cas ;)
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