Exactly i started the game as bruiser melee eva and it was fun for arena, smallscale event. But now my server is very populated, there is 4/5 alliances fighting during prime time wb, zerg is real. As bruiser melee eva it's unplayable bc you have no collision not enough hp no dr, i switched to support tank with 20k+ hp, 600+ collision, dr and it's way better. So don't think there is one or other better but it really depends on your server and what content you're focusing.
Both of you are correct. This is not the ideal build for ZvZ if you are playing PURE TANK role. If you have extra lucents to spare, you can build DR + collision resistance + high HP build. Exactly what @Soza mentioned. The only difference is I play as DPS tank, not a FULL DEF tank. DR build is for def tank, yes they can kill but damage-wise, they cant burst enemy EASILY. Just an FYI, I play as DPS - not a real tank nor doing tank stuff and so is Dylan. There's a huge gap between DPS tank and Def tank - damage-wise and defense-wise. You cant have both in TL. You have to select your class based on your desired gameplay. If you choose to be tank, play and build def tank. But if you wish to have high damage but tankier than other dps, play DPS tank.
I went as DPS tank but with endurance. To go with evasion on epic gear you have to sacrifice stat points. And with 1.3k evasion i would say that is useless. I can build 1.1 hit on tank. And with skill willbreaker is game over for evasion
Bro what do you think about Blood Sanctuary skill? Why people think the gs/sns players are the most tank ever so they can mitigate the party damage non-stop? In my opinion, is waste of resources to keep you alive and other things you can do just to not dying from damage from your teammates.
Hey chow are you still building up 60 perception or not? I have your exact build as of now, at 3200 now , only thing i lack is bloodlust belt, fg gloves and the power ring. Do we really need the FG helmet though? For the perception I guess. Having lots of fun with the build though, thanks 👍🏻 Wishing for tevent gs xD
My original plan was to reach 60 percep with kranix and magnaduke. Since im now using adentus and cherno, im switching to amber and band of universal power.
Going max melee evasion for SnS/GS is not the best idea for overall effectiveness, you sacrifice too much hp and damage, ranged and magic will melt you, you can't kill a tank fast enough and as you do your combo you're basically stationary for about 5 seconds, it's enough time for a magic/range user to unload on you his combo lowering your hp to about 30%, but overall it's an ok budget build
Range class cant kill me easily because I have range endurance. The only class that can kill me is the wand class. The rest, I can kill them with using 3 skills. You should watch my other build how I kill other classes. I cant kill a tank easily because he's using SNS. Im also using SNS and he cant kill me with just 1 or 2 combo. Sns is sns no matter what gear or trait it has. Watch my arena video and you will see I dont die easily.
I switched to the other duke weapon, the provoke passive is useless, even in donjeon i feel like. But i sometime take the provoke duke when in Zerg tho
@@ocicatfpssince you are a def tank, this build is not for you. I play as dps tank. Your current weapons are good for def tank. Your armors and accessories should be DR and HP build.
Clearly u would win in 1v1 since you're built for small scale while dylan is built for zvz, but to be fair dylan's build is trash XD, endurance without colli resist in zvz cant do shit
I agree that he needs collision resist but still, melee endurance can be ccd easily. Even players from KR and koreans themselves dont recommend Melee end in zvz especially on t2 and talandre gears.You can build Melee eva + range endurance + magic endurance+2k HIT chance on T2 and talandre gears.
@@venchowxiii We're talking about T1 though. Yes, T2 melee evasion is better because T2 gear has more extra stats, while T1 has less. In T1, melee evasion items have fewer general defensive stats like damage reduction or shield block chance. That's why going for endurance in T1 in GvG is better, especially in this bow meta where you soak a lot of flash waves.
eva vs endu in 1v1 arena is joke for me use build counter him so proud. how much u need colli resis vs sns per60 +mastery = colli chance 375 debuff dura better than resis i think
@@menbacher2275dylan and I are both dps tank. If I will play as full def tank in zvz then yes, i will build it with collision resist, high hp and damage reduction. Both sns class but different gameplay. Def tank versus dps tank - big difference.
@@Anorax-se6guif you are worried about bow classes, i can manage. I have range endurance. Gvg, small scale, arena, 1v1 im doing just fine. The only problem is ZvZ because im a dps tank. I dont have damage reduction and high hp. Although everyone melts in zvz except sns wand class.
Interesting! I’m starting building my snsGS too but going to purple now i put endurance r&m already in 3 gears, what if I’m changing to evasion hmm sure cost a lot now. Thats sad
they are correct. Just an FYI, I'm a DPS tank (more of a DPS than being a tank) . In my static party, our main tank is SNS wand, and I'm a DPS. I dont play tank role.
He needs at least 1500 to 1800 hit rate to match my 2k melee evasion. But gears are limited on t1 so he can only get as high as 1100. Although he can reach 1500 hit but he needs to sacrifice a lot of stats and traits. Not ideal. Melee eva is not broken. TL is like rock paper scissors. Your build can counter another build but another build could also counter yours. You cant have both. You need to select who is your target and which class will kill you.
@ exactly. I only have 900 hit chance and I miss most of hit if other melee is high. So annoying I think they really should limit the evasion. I never played any game like this you could miss all of hit even with high gear score
@@jacky-gc4tfyeah true. Gear score is fake 😂 it still depends on your build versus the other player's build. I have 1k hit on GS and I only target endurance build classes since I have high critical chance. I barely hit wand class, they have 2200 melee eva. Welcome to throne and liberty my friend. Even if you spent millions, you will still get killed. There's no GOD-like player here. Which is good as it makes the game balance between f2p and spender.
@@venchowxiii Ture and only thing I so regret is I spent lot of in this game to buy purple gear and I did not work this game work like this. All my money is wasted
thats not how it works buddy, korean veteran said that even if u have 9999999999999 evasion, you will still get hit, this is not the same as other game you played. korean said the computation is not like that, its different theres no 100% miss in this game. sure they will get miss but you will still die thats what they said
well you need to sacrifice something in order to hit that 1.1k hit so basically the question is are u willing to sacrifice a good stats just for the hit chance? thats why the game is good because just because u are a whale no one is going to kill you tell me an mmo that f2p can much a whale? tnl is so far i see a game that can kill a whale
@ajjames1960 yeah for sure this game is rock paper scissor u lose to some and u win to some, u cant go full hit and get much endurance. But yeah sns/gs with hit and melee eva build is good for small scale but larger scale not much.
kanon build is for large scale pvp, collision resist works only if you are in a guild that do guild wars and capture riftstone because the only way collision resist works is when u are capturing the flag of the enemy and you wont get knockdown which will result into capturing the flag which mean = ez win gvg but if you are player that only do 1v1 and arena collision resist it that good but it still useful but not that good unless just like i said its guild vs guild
@@ajjames1960we encountered that. We will use blue collision ring and some tricks to counter with 700 collision chance. It's still great but ur guild only needs one very tanky collision resistant
Evasion in mass war u die instant if some crit you .. cos at the end u will getting hit
Exactly i started the game as bruiser melee eva and it was fun for arena, smallscale event.
But now my server is very populated, there is 4/5 alliances fighting during prime time wb, zerg is real.
As bruiser melee eva it's unplayable bc you have no collision not enough hp no dr, i switched to support tank with 20k+ hp, 600+ collision, dr and it's way better.
So don't think there is one or other better but it really depends on your server and what content you're focusing.
Both of you are correct. This is not the ideal build for ZvZ if you are playing PURE TANK role.
If you have extra lucents to spare, you can build DR + collision resistance + high HP build. Exactly what @Soza mentioned.
The only difference is I play as DPS tank, not a FULL DEF tank. DR build is for def tank, yes they can kill but damage-wise, they cant burst enemy EASILY.
Just an FYI, I play as DPS - not a real tank nor doing tank stuff and so is Dylan.
There's a huge gap between DPS tank and Def tank - damage-wise and defense-wise. You cant have both in TL. You have to select your class based on your desired gameplay. If you choose to be tank, play and build def tank. But if you wish to have high damage but tankier than other dps, play DPS tank.
I went as DPS tank but with endurance. To go with evasion on epic gear you have to sacrifice stat points. And with 1.3k evasion i would say that is useless. I can build 1.1 hit on tank. And with skill willbreaker is game over for evasion
Bro what do you think about Blood Sanctuary skill? Why people think the gs/sns players are the most tank ever so they can mitigate the party damage non-stop? In my opinion, is waste of resources to keep you alive and other things you can do just to not dying from damage from your teammates.
Hey chow are you still building up 60 perception or not? I have your exact build as of now, at 3200 now , only thing i lack is bloodlust belt, fg gloves and the power ring. Do we really need the FG helmet though? For the perception I guess. Having lots of fun with the build though, thanks 👍🏻
Wishing for tevent gs xD
boss.. how to join your guild?
why do you use saphire ring over amber?
My original plan was to reach 60 percep with kranix and magnaduke. Since im now using adentus and cherno, im switching to amber and band of universal power.
Can you explain why adentus is good? At around 16k hp you won't be able to max out the passive yeah?
This is true. If I equip karnix sword I get at lwast 18k. But I need cherno's sleep skill amd critical chance. This build is anti endurance players.
Hi can you please do a video on sns/gs what skills and spezilation to use? for pvp etc !
Going max melee evasion for SnS/GS is not the best idea for overall effectiveness, you sacrifice too much hp and damage, ranged and magic will melt you, you can't kill a tank fast enough and as you do your combo you're basically stationary for about 5 seconds, it's enough time for a magic/range user to unload on you his combo lowering your hp to about 30%, but overall it's an ok budget build
Range class cant kill me easily because I have range endurance. The only class that can kill me is the wand class. The rest, I can kill them with using 3 skills. You should watch my other build how I kill other classes.
I cant kill a tank easily because he's using SNS. Im also using SNS and he cant kill me with just 1 or 2 combo. Sns is sns no matter what gear or trait it has.
Watch my arena video and you will see I dont die easily.
How much evasion and endurance you have?
Evasion = Small Scale / Endurance = Big Scale. Most fights are Big scale anyway, so Endurance is best.
what if your not playing against same class? cuz sns/gs has alot of cc right? so melee evasion is better
I fought different classes and the class I have low chance of winning are wand users. The rest, I can kill them.
hi bro, do you think in T2 scene melee eva still works?
not really because in t2 theres alot hit chance already, korean player are doing endurance in t2 lol
what happened to him at 3:28 and 4:07 ? he sleep ?
cherno sword effect
This build is similar, only the weapons are different. I'm still using Karnix and Duke Proveke. Is it still suitable???
thanks
Hello! Are you a DPS tank or Def tank?
@@venchowxiii deff tank , because I only use GS for farming,,
@@venchowxiii can you make me in Quest Log. def tank?
I switched to the other duke weapon, the provoke passive is useless, even in donjeon i feel like. But i sometime take the provoke duke when in Zerg tho
@@ocicatfpssince you are a def tank, this build is not for you. I play as dps tank. Your current weapons are good for def tank. Your armors and accessories should be DR and HP build.
all ur dmg is from him getting randomly slept
I use my chernobog's skill wisely. I wait for the right timing when I will use my skills. Everyone should too.
He's doing it right why you crying over it 😂
Making literall anti melee 1vs1 build and winning vs melee, gz I guess.
any next gear prog or just wait till t2?
I will keep this build till t2. I will now save every lucents I can save for t2 gears.
Clearly u would win in 1v1 since you're built for small scale while dylan is built for zvz, but to be fair dylan's build is trash XD, endurance without colli resist in zvz cant do shit
I agree that he needs collision resist but still, melee endurance can be ccd easily. Even players from KR and koreans themselves dont recommend Melee end in zvz especially on t2 and talandre gears.You can build Melee eva + range endurance + magic endurance+2k HIT chance on T2 and talandre gears.
@@venchowxiii We're talking about T1 though. Yes, T2 melee evasion is better because T2 gear has more extra stats, while T1 has less. In T1, melee evasion items have fewer general defensive stats like damage reduction or shield block chance. That's why going for endurance in T1 in GvG is better, especially in this bow meta where you soak a lot of flash waves.
eva vs endu in 1v1 arena is joke for me use build counter him so proud. how much u need colli resis vs sns per60 +mastery = colli chance 375 debuff dura better than resis i think
@@menbacher2275dylan and I are both dps tank. If I will play as full def tank in zvz then yes, i will build it with collision resist, high hp and damage reduction. Both sns class but different gameplay. Def tank versus dps tank - big difference.
@@Anorax-se6guif you are worried about bow classes, i can manage. I have range endurance. Gvg, small scale, arena, 1v1 im doing just fine. The only problem is ZvZ because im a dps tank. I dont have damage reduction and high hp. Although everyone melts in zvz except sns wand class.
Nice content bossing.
Interesting! I’m starting building my snsGS too but going to purple now i put endurance r&m already in 3 gears, what if I’m changing to evasion hmm sure cost a lot now. Thats sad
Really depends on your target content. If you want to gvg, endurance all the way. I'm sns/gs endurance build. I rarely die unless I went too deep.
Yes sir, pick one route, later you could build different sets, I built endurance for my staff-wand and ppl says evasion but it is costly to change 😢
they are correct. Just an FYI, I'm a DPS tank (more of a DPS than being a tank) . In my static party, our main tank is SNS wand, and I'm a DPS. I dont play tank role.
@@venchowxiiiDo you think a sns-gs has more or equal dps than a staff-bow? for pure PvE
@@sempiterno3243 PVE wise - i play as tank. You can use GS SNS as DPS but not enough in PVE.
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I think in this game if you have high melee evasion they can never hit you even they spent lot of money. Evasion is so broken for melee fight.
He needs at least 1500 to 1800 hit rate to match my 2k melee evasion. But gears are limited on t1 so he can only get as high as 1100. Although he can reach 1500 hit but he needs to sacrifice a lot of stats and traits. Not ideal. Melee eva is not broken. TL is like rock paper scissors. Your build can counter another build but another build could also counter yours. You cant have both. You need to select who is your target and which class will kill you.
@ exactly. I only have 900 hit chance and I miss most of hit if other melee is high. So annoying I think they really should limit the evasion. I never played any game like this you could miss all of hit even with high gear score
@@jacky-gc4tfyeah true. Gear score is fake 😂 it still depends on your build versus the other player's build. I have 1k hit on GS and I only target endurance build classes since I have high critical chance. I barely hit wand class, they have 2200 melee eva. Welcome to throne and liberty my friend. Even if you spent millions, you will still get killed. There's no GOD-like player here. Which is good as it makes the game balance between f2p and spender.
@@venchowxiii Ture and only thing I so regret is I spent lot of in this game to buy purple gear and I did not work this game work like this. All my money is wasted
thats not how it works buddy, korean veteran said that even if u have 9999999999999 evasion, you will still get hit, this is not the same as other game you played. korean said the computation is not like that, its different theres no 100% miss in this game. sure they will get miss but you will still die thats what they said
By collecting evasion you lose collision res and u useless snsgs for gvg and more mass pvp
Im not a def tank. Im a DPS tank class. I dont do tank roles. I play as DPS.
Good Shit bro keep it up 🔥
If only whale has around 1.1k hit
well you need to sacrifice something in order to hit that 1.1k hit so basically the question is are u willing to sacrifice a good stats just for the hit chance? thats why the game is good because just because u are a whale no one is going to kill you
tell me an mmo that f2p can much a whale? tnl is so far i see a game that can kill a whale
@ajjames1960 yeah for sure this game is rock paper scissor u lose to some and u win to some, u cant go full hit and get much endurance. But yeah sns/gs with hit and melee eva build is good for small scale but larger scale not much.
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U r using pot !
Both use pot
We both used pots, remedy, stone and foods. Nothing's wrong that. It's part of the game, use what you can use to survive and win.
Just build kanon ultra collision resist dive bomber build 😂😂 dyland build was trash
Its for def tank I believe. Dylan and I are both DPS tank. We play as DPS primarily. Not a tank thats why.
Hey kid, no trash talk. Theres no over powered build, theres always counter to every build.
kanon build is for large scale pvp, collision resist works only if you are in a guild that do guild wars and capture riftstone because the only way collision resist works is when u are capturing the flag of the enemy and you wont get knockdown which will result into capturing the flag which mean = ez win gvg but if you are player that only do 1v1 and arena collision resist it that good but it still useful but not that good unless just like i said its guild vs guild
@@ajjames1960we encountered that. We will use blue collision ring and some tricks to counter with 700 collision chance. It's still great but ur guild only needs one very tanky collision resistant