Having the trifecta of Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games happening at the same time is astonishing. We will never see a phenomenon like that again. Like what a time to be a teen in a YA fandom.
i think it'd be a good thing if there was never a series like Twilight that gets popular again. I was so disappointed back in high school when that of all the YA fiction in the world was the one to get popular, when there was so many better written books going ignored while girls were obsessing over the cardboard cutout characters, and toxic messages of twilight.
Being an absolute hunger games nerd and having listened to these books approximately 90 times each the amount of small details she gets wrong in her summary is breaking my brain. It's been entertaining and I enjoyed watching her.
NO LITERALLY LMFAOAOAOAOOOO i’ve read them each several times over both in my adolescence n adulthood pero i remember soooo much thg is truly my roman empire 😌 pero everytime she gets a lil thing wrong i cringe n laugh bc i’m such a nerd 😭
as much as i also mentally deleted 20 minutes of the runtime of BOSAS as well, this simply isnt true (this video is literally ten minutes shorter than that movie)
The reason The Games as a section starts prior to The Hunger Games themselves, and directly after Peeta's reveal, is because the games actually started when the tributes were selected and when they explain Peeta's move to Katniss is when she realizes she's already in the games.
When i was a young teen i couldn't really appreciate what Hunger Games was doing. The comparison between it and Twilight also really bring it down when it comes to the "love triangle". The Hunger Games was never meant to be a love triangle (imo). but going into it as a teen thats what i expected and was let down. Now , upon reread, i can really enjoy and appreciate The Hunger Games story as a whole
No hate to the creator, but here are a couple mistakes I caught in case you noticed and were doubting your memory or confused. 21:50 Daisies are also edible, but the book actually refers to dandelions, which are weeds and therefore more prevalent and earlier blooming. 24:41 Haymitch is the mentor to the tributes, which means he trains them mentally and strategically for the Games. He gives them advice and guidance. A sponsor would be someone who sends him money to use to send gifts to the tributes while they are in the arena. 52:26 While Katniss is indeed shorter and less muscular than the careers, it's not the only reason they can't follow her. She's spent her life climbing trees and is much better at choosing good branches, rather than *any* branches and is also much less clumsy about it due to practice. This allows her to climb into branches even she admits wouldn't typically make for safe climbing. 1:15:15 It's the boy from 1, not the boy from 10, but she catches this
36:33 I think she started part 2 of the Games there. Because that’s when the playing actually started. More specifically playing (and manipulating) the people in the Capitol. Even if Peeta was truthful in his confession of love for Katniss, that’s when he started playing the bigger game behind the Hunger Games. Getting people to root for both him and Katniss.
Actually, the climbing thing is very much true! Climbers prefer to be slender to be flexible, and the way we use our muscles isn't how careers would have trained theirs! I myself am also very skinny but have long limbs, which are good conditions
i love how Miss Suzanne is able use the Hunger Games series to hold a mirror to our own day and that it’s digestible for several age groups. really enjoyed your vid!
It’s so incredible how accurate the first movie is to the book! And I loved what you said about katniss’s idea of the games starting the day before with all the politics and getting sponsorships!!
right?? I’m pretty sure all the movies were super close which is really cool!! And thanks, she played a lot with the idea of them being games more so than sacrifice and I just find it fascinating
"Men don't think that hard" is really true. We either obsess over something or don't think about about it for longer than 5 seconds, there is no middle ground.
Omg How am I just realizing that the Capitol probably announced the "two victors" thing to distract from the upset that probably was happening after Rue's death.
1:10:30 also the mocking jay pin was never mentioned but that’s really important because that symbol becomes associated with katniss and later the rebellion. And it becomes important to the plot in the second book that while the mockingjay in the districts meant rebellion, in the capital it became a fashion trend. The reason the mockingjay is so important as a spit in the face to the capital is because they weren’t supposed to be possible and the jabberjay was already a symbol of failure because how they were used by the rebellion. All jabberjays were male so they couldn’t reproduce, after the project failed they were all released to slowly die off, however the all male species was able to mate with female mockingbirds. So a symbol of failure on the part of the capital became compounded when mockingjays were accidentally made and couldn’t be eradicated. 1:39:19 actually Cato had impenetrable body armor, katniss tried to shoot him but her arrow shattered. Cato then grabs peeta and katniss shoots Cato in the hand while peeta pushes back and Cato falls off. But again because of the body armor they couldn’t kill him until katniss shoots him in the head which wasn’t protected.
I think limited world building is somewhat part of the point. Katniss has a restricted world view, and thats part of the capitol's method. Divide and conquer. Separate them, make them *feel* disconnected from each other. Thats why the connection between Rue and Katniss, 11 and 12. She's also sixteen and learning. So I do agree that limited world building is a good choice. Also, the hunger games has been a symbolic part of multiple protests and rebellions. Thats INSANE impact and more than any other novel I've heard of, let alone YA novel.
in my personal opinion the end of YA as a genre/popular can be tied to the adultification of teenagers in general but also the trend thats been arising in general of not putting thought or care into the growth of children or the content they consume. i think there was a time period in the early 2000s where consumerism hadnt quite hit the broader book world and so care was still being put into the most consumed books, i think that period is also over. i think the 'fast fashion of books' that can be observed right now specifically in general romance/ romantasy is emblematic of that as well. i think generally the content that is being created right now and industries that produce content are focused so intensly on mediocrity- content that sells- that the idea that teenagers- or anybody - deserves good media, deserves things that are more than mediocre has gone mostly extinct. but i also think that this is a trend that will swing back around. we're already seeing a large number of people discussing the toxicity and consumerism that is controlling most content creation nowadays, so i expect public opinion to turn soon.
@25.00 I believe that Cinna would have heard from the rebel forces indicate that the upcoming tribute is the 'mockingjay/chosen one ' bring that outfit ...he is the lynchpin of revolution and circles Katniss to evaluate and when he pulled out the pre-made outfit and it indicates agreement.
this video is incredible, from the analysis to the production quality to the model arena on the table. i can't believe your channel is still so small! i've been rereading the hunger games and rewatching the films recently and they're making me go crazy so this video just perfectly scratched the analytical itch in my brain. i can't wait to watch the rest of your stuff!
Thank you so much!! I had so much fun making it!! I want to go this all out for all of my analysis but it takes so long, it’s hard to post consistently. I have some really fun ideas though that I’m working on now 🥰🥰 thanks for watching!!
There are few things I wish the movies had done that upset me to this day. The big one is peeta's leg. It was such a bug thing and it would've been SO easy to implement. But also, I really wish for Rue they would have done the flowers more book accurate. The book describes katniss weaving a blanket of sorts and i believe she puts them in her hair as well, so that the flowers go with her. I just thought that for such and important scene they were pretty skimpy on it in the movie.
I started this video last week and it took me until you talking about Gale and Katniss running away together for me to pause and reread the entire series and the newest book. I remember as a teenager, and especially now, really appreciating that this story wasn’t contingent on the love triangle. Any time Gale or Peeta laid on the guilt or inundated Katniss with expectations, I was so agitated. She’s going through so much, constantly, that it makes sense romance would be the last thing on her mind. One line that always really stuck out to me was in the third book when Gale and Peeta are taking a brief respite from war. They’ve lost some extremely important comrades, and they’re talking about who Katniss will choose when this is all over???? Gale says “she’ll pick whoever she can’t survive without.” And Katniss thinks to herself “I can survive just fine without either of them.” I do remember being strongly team Gale when I was a teenager, but now, I can hardly stand him. It could only ever be Peeta. Also??? This series was so traumatizing. I was in absolute shambles through Mockingjay and even though it ended on a nice little scene, the whole thing is so incredibly sad and broken. Anyway! I’m so excited to continue this series with you!
I read the Underland Chronicles books when I was like in 4th or 5th grade and you were spot on as to how they were made for slightly younger kids than Hunger Games was. I absolutely loved the Underland Chronicles when I read them and I can probably say it was the first book series that got me into reading as a kid and shaped my literature taste to this day. I remember being in shock when I found out Hunger Games was by the same author and was like no wonder I liked both series so much. I highly recommended reading the Underland Chronicles even if you think you’re too old now
I think Suzanne Collins starts "The Games" right after Peeta drops the "Love" bomb on the Capitol audience, because from that very moment on: Whether Katniss wanted to or not, she had already started playing the games. Prior to that, she wasn't thrilled on impressing the audience, didn't really care about showing off in training, she didn't even shoot the apple in the hog's mouth because she was showing off- She did that because they were disrespecting her time & they were wasting her effort when she was meant to be giving her all in that part of the training. The games for all the other tributes started on the very moment they were parading, they had started to try and rob each other of possible sponsors but not for Katniss, to her the games are to start when they're placed into the Arena. But when Peeta plays the crowd in his interview segment, Katniss has inadvertently started playing the game earlier than she had expected to. Edit: Nvm, she got it XD
Omg literally started crying listening to this at work when you talked about the loaf of bread from District 11 😭😂😂 I gotta read/watch hunger games again!
I listened to the audiobook recently and even KNOWING it was coming and remembering the detail I had to hold back tears at work. I was so sad for the rest of the day and had to stop listening
This is so cool, I just reread the trilogy for the first time since I was a kid over the past month. I really love hearing other people talk about it with the same level of enthusiasm as I have for the series. Very fun , would love to see more
I think the reason that the announcer is called Ceasar isn't because of literally stabbing someone in the back. It's a fitting name when you think of the two most famous emperors that had that name: Julius and Augustus. They were very focused on their own image and making themselves look good. So in that sense, it's fitting that the one doing interviews with these children is very focused on making the interviews look as good as possible. As entertaining as possible. And the fact that he is the announcer for all the parts of these games is fitting too. Once again for making these children look as good before they enter the arena. But also for managing their popularity in a way. Nobody is allowed to outshine or rebel against the ruler. Augustus was very clear about rebellion. The moment one of his generals seemed to outshine him, he sent him a dagger to kill himself with. Ceasar, in his interviews, tries to play nice and bubbly with the tributes. But the moment these tributes show any resentment or protest for the games, his walls go back up. Joanna telling the audience to f-bomb themselves is met with a disgusted look from Ceasar and a "well then, one women's opinion". As if to say "well, this one is a prick". He can charm you up with his charismatic behavior. But he can also figuratively backstab you by making you look bad if you don't play nice. I feel like that is why he is called Ceasar
coming from a guy that regularly climbs at indoor climbing gyms, being big and muscular literally means NOTHING when it comes to climbing. A nimble skinny little boy can easily climb higher than a big muscular person. I don’t think the books really mention her as a climber, so I’m not sure if she really had any experience or the technique that comes with climbing, but muscles ≠ climbing ability. Great and fun video! :)
I’ve reread the books many times and each time as I get older the horror of what’s going on strikes me more and more. At 13 I was very distracted by the romance. At 23 I’m obsessed with the metaphors
I wonder if the intention with peeta being in the creek and cold af was kind of like implied that it slowed the bleeding and infection and reduced his fever up to that point? Sorry I'm leaving like a bazillion comments😅
Middle school student here! At my school at least, there are actually a lot of books in my grade that everyone knows and most people have read such as Keeper of the Lost Cities, which was written in 2012 and still is popular. Even though the first one was written around this period of time, the popularity has increased significantly and is probably at its peak around this time.
I know you probably get way more views for your hunger games videos and they’re helping to grow your channel (that I’m sooo so glad I found and I truly do adore your hunger games related content) but I still just really desperately -want- *need* more Les mis content pretty pretty pretty please 🥺🙏
Never read the Hunger Games as a kid, my brother's always made fun of them for being in their minds girly romance novels. I didn't read them until i was an adult and I'm so glad I did
I found your channel through the Review Crew.I honestly find your analysis and breakdowns to be really entertaining. Plus the quality is really good! I’m excited to see more content from you >:)
I'm so happy to have stumbled across these videos! I read them in high school right before seeing the first movie (because my English teacher mentioned it when we were studied dystopian novels), and I've finally decided to reread them as an adult with a master's degree in English lit. I'm loving getting the chance to hear someone else's analytic thoughts about the books!
i think "the games" section starting immediately after peeta's confession could be a choice to draw the line in the metaphorical sense as to where the "games" really began for katniss and peeta. the star crossed lovers angle that they spin in order to win specifically begins here in peeta's interview. it could be that collins is referring to the beginning of the games (for peeta and later, katniss), which we know never really end for them once they leave the arena because of the façade they have to keep with that peeta originated within his interview.
1:11:27 During a standardized test where my entire eighth grade class of around 150 kids was stuffed into the school's gym, someone did that four note whistle, and almost every student kissed three of their fingers, put them up in the air, and whistled in response. It was crazy in the moment, and I still think about it every time THG comes up LOL the phenomenon of the books and movies were very far reaching, because I remember practically everyone around me just knowing what to do and acting accordingly. There's been plenty of media that have had that same effect, but there really was nothing like that time of the early 2010s YA media frenzy, and I feel like THG was specifically at the center of the majority's interests, especially with the movies becoming so widely popular. That's just my perspective and experience, though! Love the video xoxo
Thank you so much for summarizing the book! I can never get myself to sit down and read anything all the way through lololol Quick note, you say a few times that Katniss and Peeta are trauma-bonded, and a lot of people seem to get this term wrong. Trauma bonding is actually a psychological process where a *victim* creates an emotional bond with an *abuser* or similar person. Since that's not really something that was going on with those two, you might wanna try to find another way to word the point you're trying to get across :)
i mean, in terms of trauma bonding its not the victim attempting to create an emotional bond with an abuser, its the other way around and there's a very specific tactic involved. that being said, i really appreciate you mentioning this and calling it out because good lord do so many people misuse the term "trauma bonding" in this day and age
11:48 I read these books first when I was 13 and then again when I was 19. 13 year old me thought 16 is really grown, then 19 year old me was like these are actual babies
Your assessment of the Underland series was spot on. I’ve read and reread it many times. It tackles similarly important and challenging topics to the Hunger Games series, but the main character is younger and I would definitely say it targets more elementary school aged kids. Great reads though!
I've read these books being 25 years old. So I wasn't a target audience. But the theme of war and revolution was ringing very close to me. It was the time of revolution in Ukraine. And it was very interesting how all the information technologies from Hunger games played out right before your eyes in real life. And not in the good way at all.
You should really ready Gregor the Overlander. It's a great series even thought it isn't as political as hungergames. It's more epic fantasy with an unique worldbuilding. It shows the impact war has on people in an easily digestable way for young adults and teenagers but definitly not younger.
At 1:45:00 i was so sure u misread the 10 mins of kissing part so much that i went back to the book to double check and ur right???? Ive read this book so many times and never paid attention to that! WATCHING MINORS MAKE OUT ON NATIONAL TV FOR 10 MINS IS SO WEIRDDDDDDD
Never watched the last two movies, but I thought catching fire is probably the 5th best YA book turned into a movie! Can’t wait for the review on ice planet barbarian
Edit: oop, spoke too soon Saw someone else say it but "the games" section starts after peeta's confession because thats when Katniss starts to get into the psychology of playing and being played. You left out a pretty big part there, that is her assuming he's trying to undermine her and lose sponsors for her. To basically use her to bolster himself to her detriment. Obviously thats not true, but this point is where Katniss realizes she is and starts acting like a contestant. Its where the games start *for her*.
hey this is amazing and i'm so into the way you talk about media, i had a great time, but when your inserted clips came on and were about 20x louder than the rest of the volume all i'm saying is it scared the bejeezus out of me from across the room. apart from that, i am happy to be here and i subscribed!
When the narrative about the books focus too much on the love triangle, the author is actually pointing a mirror to the audience/reader. We distance ourselves from the people of the capitol thinking we would not watch these games as a entretaiment event, that its sick how they are forcing two children to have intimacy so they can be entretained by a love story. Isn't it a mirror reflecting back at us? Showing that we might be as oblivious to human suffering as the regular Citizen of the capitol is? Isn't Panam a reflection on how our current society lives in a world scale? How our conforts on 1st world countries are obtained by the suffering of 3rd world countries, for example? But we don't think twice about the trade off. We are not the cause of the problem, but could be part of the solution, but we are entretained, so we don't think about it too much. My point is, we are the Capitol.
Ok I kinda agree about the planed ending and how it gets bad when you go past it. Example Star Wars. I know some don’t like the prequel trilogy but it hands down better then the new Disney one. Why because they went back in time and didn’t mess with the original ending.
Not sure if it’s said but I believe the reason ‘the games’ starts there is cause the mental aspect of the games truly start there. Like the games started with the interviews because it’s all for sponsors. And that’s kinda when Katniss understands that’s the games have already started. At least that’s my interpretation
I also never remembered that it was meant to be in a post-apocalyptic US until I rejoined the fandom a year or two ago lmao, so you’re not alone As far as the part naming goes, it could be that that stuff is included in “The Games” because it’s when Peeta starts playing the Capitol’s game. He’s using the interview as a way to make him and Katniss interesting and get Capitol citizens to want to see more of them, so really, this is when the games actually start for them. Just my take though. (Editing later: looks like this isn’t a very unusual take lmao)
I really enjoyed your analysis of The Hunger Games. It’s been about half a year since the video was posted so I don’t know if you will read this, but if you do I just have one thing I would like to point out to you. The plural of the word “series” is the same as the singular. It is not “serieses’. I’m not telling you this with the intention of being a jerk, as it is a very small thing; but when I get things wrong I do like to be told, and I’m hoping you feel the same.
this is kinda out of left field but have you been diagnosed with or suspect you may have autism spectrum disorder? i'm just asking because i noticed the people around me (who are generally pretty neurotypical) don't really share that opinion (about telling people about small mistakes because you'd want them to tell you) but i also haven't socialized enough (common homeschool kid L) to know if i have a good data pool haha. basically, i wanna know if this is one of those things i should keep to myself or if normal people (presumably you, youtube commenter) also have that viewpoint
@@toby1004 Wow. You are spot on Toby. Yes, I am autistic. I can’t stand it when I get things wrong and no one tells me. Even if it’s only very small things that shouldn’t really matter. I’ve found that there are some neurotypical people who like to be told when they get things wrong, but a lot don’t. So it probably is best to keep those things to yourself if you can. For me, even though I know it would be better not to say anything, I can’t help it. I NEED to let people know when they are wrong. It’s something that I haven’t found a way to overcome.
I think the games section begins when it does because the love confession is when it really becomes "their games" the star crossed lovers will always be associated with the 74th hunger games even if Cato had won he would just be the one to end the star crossed lovers.
Loved this analysis, but your audio is way quieter than the sounds you add during editing. I had to turn the volume way up to hear you during the arena portion, but then things like the arms of the angels sound was way too loud. I haven't seen the rest of the series, so idk if you fixed this, but if not, it might be worth adjusting your volume peaks so everything is in a similar range
You had "no idea" this was supposed to take place in a post apocalyptic North America? Katniss mentions district 12 used to be "something called Appalachia". This is embarrassing for you
I think Divergent truly killed the genre off in the broader cultural conscience, at least for a while. I was just aging out of the YA demographic when it came out and I remember feeling so disappointed by the end of the first book. I never even read the rest of the series. If a better series had been the next big thing, I genuinely believe the YA boom would have continued.
It says a lot that so many of us were originally Gale stans but now with the series long over and with more life experience we have changed our minds. I don't know what it says exactly but I know it says a lot of it
Katniss thinking of Gale a lot doesn't bother me too much as I think she does need to explore and resolve her feelings for him. Her relationship with Peeta is something she has to grow into, and part of that is her truly considering what Gale would be like as a romantic partner before she can fully choose to be with Peeta.
I thought you analysis was insightful. However series is already plural so I think you are mispronouncing the word. I love the Hunger Games too but I could not get into Twilight until Cedric Diggerory played Edward Cullen. I disagree that the triangle was not there, I was Team Gal from the beginning while Peeta was nice and kind and literally saved her life with the bread, I’m just not a fan. Ultimately your discussion was immensely thoughtful.
Having the trifecta of Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games happening at the same time is astonishing. We will never see a phenomenon like that again. Like what a time to be a teen in a YA fandom.
Percy Jackson was pretty big too
@@uprisingsun9105flopped compared to the 3 mentioned tho
@@archivesunset4214 no, not really
Percey Jackson > Harry Potter@@archivesunset4214
i think it'd be a good thing if there was never a series like Twilight that gets popular again. I was so disappointed back in high school when that of all the YA fiction in the world was the one to get popular, when there was so many better written books going ignored while girls were obsessing over the cardboard cutout characters, and toxic messages of twilight.
“The boy from three does not want to stand up” me cackling because when he stands up in the movies he gets murked instantly
Being an absolute hunger games nerd and having listened to these books approximately 90 times each the amount of small details she gets wrong in her summary is breaking my brain. It's been entertaining and I enjoyed watching her.
Me too I’m loving her content but wish she gave it a reread before she made this 😂
I feel this in my soul! 😂
You need to read the book take notes and then watch the movie. I’ll come ackandlisten to you.😊
@@yvettelarson7285 I literally wrote a thesis on the psychological design of The hunger games... I have done all of that and more
NO LITERALLY LMFAOAOAOAOOOO i’ve read them each several times over both in my adolescence n adulthood pero i remember soooo much thg is truly my roman empire 😌 pero everytime she gets a lil thing wrong i cringe n laugh bc i’m such a nerd 😭
the fact that this video is longer than the ballad of songbirds and snakes movie is INSANE
as much as i also mentally deleted 20 minutes of the runtime of BOSAS as well, this simply isnt true (this video is literally ten minutes shorter than that movie)
The reason The Games as a section starts prior to The Hunger Games themselves, and directly after Peeta's reveal, is because the games actually started when the tributes were selected and when they explain Peeta's move to Katniss is when she realizes she's already in the games.
When i was a young teen i couldn't really appreciate what Hunger Games was doing. The comparison between it and Twilight also really bring it down when it comes to the "love triangle". The Hunger Games was never meant to be a love triangle (imo). but going into it as a teen thats what i expected and was let down.
Now , upon reread, i can really enjoy and appreciate The Hunger Games story as a whole
I agree!! As a kid it seems like it’s just about the relationship but there’s so much more to it!!
No hate to the creator, but here are a couple mistakes I caught in case you noticed and were doubting your memory or confused.
21:50 Daisies are also edible, but the book actually refers to dandelions, which are weeds and therefore more prevalent and earlier blooming.
24:41 Haymitch is the mentor to the tributes, which means he trains them mentally and strategically for the Games. He gives them advice and guidance. A sponsor would be someone who sends him money to use to send gifts to the tributes while they are in the arena.
52:26 While Katniss is indeed shorter and less muscular than the careers, it's not the only reason they can't follow her. She's spent her life climbing trees and is much better at choosing good branches, rather than *any* branches and is also much less clumsy about it due to practice. This allows her to climb into branches even she admits wouldn't typically make for safe climbing.
1:15:15 It's the boy from 1, not the boy from 10, but she catches this
the flower katniss saw wasnt a daisy it was a dandelion!
36:33 I think she started part 2 of the Games there. Because that’s when the playing actually started. More specifically playing (and manipulating) the people in the Capitol. Even if Peeta was truthful in his confession of love for Katniss, that’s when he started playing the bigger game behind the Hunger Games. Getting people to root for both him and Katniss.
yess i was going to say this
Actually, the climbing thing is very much true! Climbers prefer to be slender to be flexible, and the way we use our muscles isn't how careers would have trained theirs! I myself am also very skinny but have long limbs, which are good conditions
i love how Miss Suzanne is able use the Hunger Games series to hold a mirror to our own day and that it’s digestible for several age groups. really enjoyed your vid!
"They don't bone, btw, get your head outta the gutter" but also "it would be better if they all just kissed" lol
LOVE YOUR EYESHADOW COORDINATIONS 😍 can’t wait to watch this feature film known as your video essay
thank youuuuuu ❤️❤️ trying to channel the capitols style!!
It’s so incredible how accurate the first movie is to the book! And I loved what you said about katniss’s idea of the games starting the day before with all the politics and getting sponsorships!!
right?? I’m pretty sure all the movies were super close which is really cool!! And thanks, she played a lot with the idea of them being games more so than sacrifice and I just find it fascinating
"Men don't think that hard" is really true. We either obsess over something or don't think about about it for longer than 5 seconds, there is no middle ground.
Yeah true.
That may be you, not me or men In general
Omg How am I just realizing that the Capitol probably announced the "two victors" thing to distract from the upset that probably was happening after Rue's death.
1:10:30 also the mocking jay pin was never mentioned but that’s really important because that symbol becomes associated with katniss and later the rebellion. And it becomes important to the plot in the second book that while the mockingjay in the districts meant rebellion, in the capital it became a fashion trend. The reason the mockingjay is so important as a spit in the face to the capital is because they weren’t supposed to be possible and the jabberjay was already a symbol of failure because how they were used by the rebellion. All jabberjays were male so they couldn’t reproduce, after the project failed they were all released to slowly die off, however the all male species was able to mate with female mockingbirds. So a symbol of failure on the part of the capital became compounded when mockingjays were accidentally made and couldn’t be eradicated.
1:39:19 actually Cato had impenetrable body armor, katniss tried to shoot him but her arrow shattered. Cato then grabs peeta and katniss shoots Cato in the hand while peeta pushes back and Cato falls off. But again because of the body armor they couldn’t kill him until katniss shoots him in the head which wasn’t protected.
I think limited world building is somewhat part of the point. Katniss has a restricted world view, and thats part of the capitol's method. Divide and conquer. Separate them, make them *feel* disconnected from each other. Thats why the connection between Rue and Katniss, 11 and 12. She's also sixteen and learning. So I do agree that limited world building is a good choice.
Also, the hunger games has been a symbolic part of multiple protests and rebellions. Thats INSANE impact and more than any other novel I've heard of, let alone YA novel.
in my personal opinion the end of YA as a genre/popular can be tied to the adultification of teenagers in general but also the trend thats been arising in general of not putting thought or care into the growth of children or the content they consume. i think there was a time period in the early 2000s where consumerism hadnt quite hit the broader book world and so care was still being put into the most consumed books, i think that period is also over. i think the 'fast fashion of books' that can be observed right now specifically in general romance/ romantasy is emblematic of that as well. i think generally the content that is being created right now and industries that produce content are focused so intensly on mediocrity- content that sells- that the idea that teenagers- or anybody - deserves good media, deserves things that are more than mediocre has gone mostly extinct. but i also think that this is a trend that will swing back around. we're already seeing a large number of people discussing the toxicity and consumerism that is controlling most content creation nowadays, so i expect public opinion to turn soon.
@25.00 I believe that Cinna would have heard from the rebel forces indicate that the upcoming tribute is the 'mockingjay/chosen one ' bring that outfit ...he is the lynchpin of revolution and circles Katniss to evaluate and when he pulled out the pre-made outfit and it indicates agreement.
this video is incredible, from the analysis to the production quality to the model arena on the table. i can't believe your channel is still so small! i've been rereading the hunger games and rewatching the films recently and they're making me go crazy so this video just perfectly scratched the analytical itch in my brain. i can't wait to watch the rest of your stuff!
Thank you so much!! I had so much fun making it!! I want to go this all out for all of my analysis but it takes so long, it’s hard to post consistently. I have some really fun ideas though that I’m working on now 🥰🥰 thanks for watching!!
There are few things I wish the movies had done that upset me to this day. The big one is peeta's leg. It was such a bug thing and it would've been SO easy to implement. But also, I really wish for Rue they would have done the flowers more book accurate. The book describes katniss weaving a blanket of sorts and i believe she puts them in her hair as well, so that the flowers go with her. I just thought that for such and important scene they were pretty skimpy on it in the movie.
one hundred percent with you on the plot conversation. even when a plot is good, the plot is never the draw for me. it's always the characters
I started this video last week and it took me until you talking about Gale and Katniss running away together for me to pause and reread the entire series and the newest book.
I remember as a teenager, and especially now, really appreciating that this story wasn’t contingent on the love triangle. Any time Gale or Peeta laid on the guilt or inundated Katniss with expectations, I was so agitated. She’s going through so much, constantly, that it makes sense romance would be the last thing on her mind.
One line that always really stuck out to me was in the third book when Gale and Peeta are taking a brief respite from war. They’ve lost some extremely important comrades, and they’re talking about who Katniss will choose when this is all over???? Gale says “she’ll pick whoever she can’t survive without.” And Katniss thinks to herself “I can survive just fine without either of them.”
I do remember being strongly team Gale when I was a teenager, but now, I can hardly stand him. It could only ever be Peeta. Also??? This series was so traumatizing. I was in absolute shambles through Mockingjay and even though it ended on a nice little scene, the whole thing is so incredibly sad and broken. Anyway! I’m so excited to continue this series with you!
I read the Underland Chronicles books when I was like in 4th or 5th grade and you were spot on as to how they were made for slightly younger kids than Hunger Games was. I absolutely loved the Underland Chronicles when I read them and I can probably say it was the first book series that got me into reading as a kid and shaped my literature taste to this day. I remember being in shock when I found out Hunger Games was by the same author and was like no wonder I liked both series so much. I highly recommended reading the Underland Chronicles even if you think you’re too old now
I loved the Underland Chronicles too! I reread them all the time and I’m in my 20s. Definitely more people should read them :)
I think Suzanne Collins starts "The Games" right after Peeta drops the "Love" bomb on the Capitol audience, because from that very moment on: Whether Katniss wanted to or not, she had already started playing the games.
Prior to that, she wasn't thrilled on impressing the audience, didn't really care about showing off in training, she didn't even shoot the apple in the hog's mouth because she was showing off- She did that because they were disrespecting her time & they were wasting her effort when she was meant to be giving her all in that part of the training.
The games for all the other tributes started on the very moment they were parading, they had started to try and rob each other of possible sponsors but not for Katniss, to her the games are to start when they're placed into the Arena. But when Peeta plays the crowd in his interview segment, Katniss has inadvertently started playing the game earlier than she had expected to.
Edit: Nvm, she got it XD
Omg literally started crying listening to this at work when you talked about the loaf of bread from District 11 😭😂😂 I gotta read/watch hunger games again!
Oh good I’m not the only one 😂😂 you should!! It was so fun to revisit!
I listened to the audiobook recently and even KNOWING it was coming and remembering the detail I had to hold back tears at work. I was so sad for the rest of the day and had to stop listening
I know the entire plot of the hunger games inside out and I watched this whole video cause it was iconic
This is so cool, I just reread the trilogy for the first time since I was a kid over the past month. I really love hearing other people talk about it with the same level of enthusiasm as I have for the series. Very fun , would love to see more
I think the reason that the announcer is called Ceasar isn't because of literally stabbing someone in the back. It's a fitting name when you think of the two most famous emperors that had that name: Julius and Augustus.
They were very focused on their own image and making themselves look good. So in that sense, it's fitting that the one doing interviews with these children is very focused on making the interviews look as good as possible. As entertaining as possible.
And the fact that he is the announcer for all the parts of these games is fitting too. Once again for making these children look as good before they enter the arena. But also for managing their popularity in a way. Nobody is allowed to outshine or rebel against the ruler.
Augustus was very clear about rebellion. The moment one of his generals seemed to outshine him, he sent him a dagger to kill himself with.
Ceasar, in his interviews, tries to play nice and bubbly with the tributes. But the moment these tributes show any resentment or protest for the games, his walls go back up.
Joanna telling the audience to f-bomb themselves is met with a disgusted look from Ceasar and a "well then, one women's opinion". As if to say "well, this one is a prick".
He can charm you up with his charismatic behavior. But he can also figuratively backstab you by making you look bad if you don't play nice. I feel like that is why he is called Ceasar
coming from a guy that regularly climbs at indoor climbing gyms, being big and muscular literally means NOTHING when it comes to climbing. A nimble skinny little boy can easily climb higher than a big muscular person.
I don’t think the books really mention her as a climber, so I’m not sure if she really had any experience or the technique that comes with climbing, but muscles ≠ climbing ability.
Great and fun video! :)
I think it is mentioned that Katniss and Gale had to climb a few trees to wait out attacks from wild dog packs, but I might be wrong.
I’ve reread the books many times and each time as I get older the horror of what’s going on strikes me more and more. At 13 I was very distracted by the romance. At 23 I’m obsessed with the metaphors
I wonder if the intention with peeta being in the creek and cold af was kind of like implied that it slowed the bleeding and infection and reduced his fever up to that point?
Sorry I'm leaving like a bazillion comments😅
Cato is also 16 or 17 let’s not forget. Horrific actions yes but he is a child at the end of the day
Iirc he's 18 (since districts 1, 2, and 4 typically volunteer at 18 for better winning odds), but still a relevant point
A brainwashed child on top of that lol
Middle school student here! At my school at least, there are actually a lot of books in my grade that everyone knows and most people have read such as Keeper of the Lost Cities, which was written in 2012 and still is popular. Even though the first one was written around this period of time, the popularity has increased significantly and is probably at its peak around this time.
I know you probably get way more views for your hunger games videos and they’re helping to grow your channel (that I’m sooo so glad I found and I truly do adore your hunger games related content) but I still just really desperately -want- *need* more Les mis content pretty pretty pretty please 🥺🙏
Never read the Hunger Games as a kid, my brother's always made fun of them for being in their minds girly romance novels. I didn't read them until i was an adult and I'm so glad I did
Girl when you realised you were recording for nearly half an hour it was actually nearly full hour😭😭😭🤣🤣💕
I found your channel through the Review Crew.I honestly find your analysis and breakdowns to be really entertaining. Plus the quality is really good! I’m excited to see more content from you >:)
Thank you!! This is super motivating!! I appreciate you ❤️
Meredith: no one cares about the games, it’s all about gale vs Peeta
12 year old me: but why did the killing stop?
I'm so happy to have stumbled across these videos! I read them in high school right before seeing the first movie (because my English teacher mentioned it when we were studied dystopian novels), and I've finally decided to reread them as an adult with a master's degree in English lit. I'm loving getting the chance to hear someone else's analytic thoughts about the books!
i think "the games" section starting immediately after peeta's confession could be a choice to draw the line in the metaphorical sense as to where the "games" really began for katniss and peeta. the star crossed lovers angle that they spin in order to win specifically begins here in peeta's interview. it could be that collins is referring to the beginning of the games (for peeta and later, katniss), which we know never really end for them once they leave the arena because of the façade they have to keep with that peeta originated within his interview.
1:11:27 During a standardized test where my entire eighth grade class of around 150 kids was stuffed into the school's gym, someone did that four note whistle, and almost every student kissed three of their fingers, put them up in the air, and whistled in response. It was crazy in the moment, and I still think about it every time THG comes up LOL the phenomenon of the books and movies were very far reaching, because I remember practically everyone around me just knowing what to do and acting accordingly. There's been plenty of media that have had that same effect, but there really was nothing like that time of the early 2010s YA media frenzy, and I feel like THG was specifically at the center of the majority's interests, especially with the movies becoming so widely popular. That's just my perspective and experience, though! Love the video xoxo
Thank you so much for summarizing the book! I can never get myself to sit down and read anything all the way through lololol
Quick note, you say a few times that Katniss and Peeta are trauma-bonded, and a lot of people seem to get this term wrong. Trauma bonding is actually a psychological process where a *victim* creates an emotional bond with an *abuser* or similar person. Since that's not really something that was going on with those two, you might wanna try to find another way to word the point you're trying to get across :)
i mean, in terms of trauma bonding its not the victim attempting to create an emotional bond with an abuser, its the other way around and there's a very specific tactic involved. that being said, i really appreciate you mentioning this and calling it out because good lord do so many people misuse the term "trauma bonding" in this day and age
11:48 I read these books first when I was 13 and then again when I was 19. 13 year old me thought 16 is really grown, then 19 year old me was like these are actual babies
Maybe it’s split like that bc peta started playing the game when he announced his crush
when I read the first book freshman year of hs, I genuinely shipped her and gale 💀 but then as I read more, I was obsessed with her and peeta
Dandelions, not daisies, but both are edible.
I cant believe how underrated you are. This is phenomenal content!
Totally! I just discovered her videos and binged everything!! 😅
Your assessment of the Underland series was spot on. I’ve read and reread it many times. It tackles similarly important and challenging topics to the Hunger Games series, but the main character is younger and I would definitely say it targets more elementary school aged kids. Great reads though!
I've read these books being 25 years old.
So I wasn't a target audience.
But the theme of war and revolution was ringing very close to me. It was the time of revolution in Ukraine. And it was very interesting how all the information technologies from Hunger games played out right before your eyes in real life. And not in the good way at all.
You should really ready Gregor the Overlander. It's a great series even thought it isn't as political as hungergames. It's more epic fantasy with an unique worldbuilding. It shows the impact war has on people in an easily digestable way for young adults and teenagers but definitly not younger.
Loved this analysis!! Thank you for posting it 😊
Thank you for watching!!
At 1:45:00 i was so sure u misread the 10 mins of kissing part so much that i went back to the book to double check and ur right???? Ive read this book so many times and never paid attention to that! WATCHING MINORS MAKE OUT ON NATIONAL TV FOR 10 MINS IS SO WEIRDDDDDDD
1:45:14 for the whole video I hoped you'll do that 😂. You didn't disappoint. Also Haymitch is their mentor not sponsor.
this is really good quality and underrated!!!!
lovedddd this video! would absolutely adore if this was on spotify as a podcast to listen on the go ❤️
Never watched the last two movies, but I thought catching fire is probably the 5th best YA book turned into a movie! Can’t wait for the review on ice planet barbarian
Ooh a deep dive on that would be fun!! I’ll add it to my list 🥰
I read these book when I was 10……..I still remember everything (ps I was a peeta Stan thick and through)
Edit: oop, spoke too soon
Saw someone else say it but "the games" section starts after peeta's confession because thats when Katniss starts to get into the psychology of playing and being played. You left out a pretty big part there, that is her assuming he's trying to undermine her and lose sponsors for her. To basically use her to bolster himself to her detriment. Obviously thats not true, but this point is where Katniss realizes she is and starts acting like a contestant. Its where the games start *for her*.
hey this is amazing and i'm so into the way you talk about media, i had a great time, but when your inserted clips came on and were about 20x louder than the rest of the volume all i'm saying is it scared the bejeezus out of me from across the room. apart from that, i am happy to be here and i subscribed!
When the narrative about the books focus too much on the love triangle, the author is actually pointing a mirror to the audience/reader. We distance ourselves from the people of the capitol thinking we would not watch these games as a entretaiment event, that its sick how they are forcing two children to have intimacy so they can be entretained by a love story. Isn't it a mirror reflecting back at us? Showing that we might be as oblivious to human suffering as the regular Citizen of the capitol is? Isn't Panam a reflection on how our current society lives in a world scale? How our conforts on 1st world countries are obtained by the suffering of 3rd world countries, for example? But we don't think twice about the trade off. We are not the cause of the problem, but could be part of the solution, but we are entretained, so we don't think about it too much. My point is, we are the Capitol.
I’m sorry I can’t not comment on how gorgeous your hair is 🫶
Ok I kinda agree about the planed ending and how it gets bad when you go past it. Example Star Wars. I know some don’t like the prequel trilogy but it hands down better then the new Disney one. Why because they went back in time and didn’t mess with the original ending.
It’s called the games because that’s when the games start. Peeta starts his winning strategy and its inevitable now.
Not sure if it’s said but I believe the reason ‘the games’ starts there is cause the mental aspect of the games truly start there. Like the games started with the interviews because it’s all for sponsors. And that’s kinda when Katniss understands that’s the games have already started. At least that’s my interpretation
I also never remembered that it was meant to be in a post-apocalyptic US until I rejoined the fandom a year or two ago lmao, so you’re not alone
As far as the part naming goes, it could be that that stuff is included in “The Games” because it’s when Peeta starts playing the Capitol’s game. He’s using the interview as a way to make him and Katniss interesting and get Capitol citizens to want to see more of them, so really, this is when the games actually start for them. Just my take though. (Editing later: looks like this isn’t a very unusual take lmao)
I really enjoyed your analysis of The Hunger Games. It’s been about half a year since the video was posted so I don’t know if you will read this, but if you do I just have one thing I would like to point out to you. The plural of the word “series” is the same as the singular. It is not “serieses’. I’m not telling you this with the intention of being a jerk, as it is a very small thing; but when I get things wrong I do like to be told, and I’m hoping you feel the same.
this is kinda out of left field but have you been diagnosed with or suspect you may have autism spectrum disorder? i'm just asking because i noticed the people around me (who are generally pretty neurotypical) don't really share that opinion (about telling people about small mistakes because you'd want them to tell you) but i also haven't socialized enough (common homeschool kid L) to know if i have a good data pool haha. basically, i wanna know if this is one of those things i should keep to myself or if normal people (presumably you, youtube commenter) also have that viewpoint
@@toby1004 Wow. You are spot on Toby. Yes, I am autistic. I can’t stand it when I get things wrong and no one tells me. Even if it’s only very small things that shouldn’t really matter. I’ve found that there are some neurotypical people who like to be told when they get things wrong, but a lot don’t. So it probably is best to keep those things to yourself if you can. For me, even though I know it would be better not to say anything, I can’t help it. I NEED to let people know when they are wrong. It’s something that I haven’t found a way to overcome.
42:37 what I'm dreading when I finally move out.
I think the games section begins when it does because the love confession is when it really becomes "their games" the star crossed lovers will always be associated with the 74th hunger games even if Cato had won he would just be the one to end the star crossed lovers.
I can see the “dive in” hand motion at the beginning becoming a trend 🙏🏻
this video having less than 1k views is so disappointing! this was fantastic
The games ending when Katniss decides to go to Peeta…🥺🥺♥️ almost like she wasn’t playing the game anymore, she was just with him getting to know him
1:17:41 one of my favorite moments from the whole trilogy, I wish it hadn’t been cut from the film.
Meredith hopes Peeta experiences trauma in addition to the trauma he already experienced in The Hunger Games. Oh, be careful what you wish for.
great video. the plural of series is series.
Thanks!
The editing in this video is perfect 😂
I wish there were book series everyone loved and were a cultural phenomenon again :(
Loved this analysis, but your audio is way quieter than the sounds you add during editing. I had to turn the volume way up to hear you during the arena portion, but then things like the arms of the angels sound was way too loud. I haven't seen the rest of the series, so idk if you fixed this, but if not, it might be worth adjusting your volume peaks so everything is in a similar range
please tell us what you think about Divergent!
Do you have a Goodreads or something where you write book reviews? I love your thoughts!
You being confused have this video made me so stressful
I had no idea the NFL did that, is that big of an event in the United States?
You had "no idea" this was supposed to take place in a post apocalyptic North America? Katniss mentions district 12 used to be "something called Appalachia". This is embarrassing for you
You’re paying WAY too much in rent if your apartment didn’t come with Scotch tape. 😂
SAME CAT!!!! (pillow that is)
I think Divergent truly killed the genre off in the broader cultural conscience, at least for a while. I was just aging out of the YA demographic when it came out and I remember feeling so disappointed by the end of the first book. I never even read the rest of the series. If a better series had been the next big thing, I genuinely believe the YA boom would have continued.
It says a lot that so many of us were originally Gale stans but now with the series long over and with more life experience we have changed our minds. I don't know what it says exactly but I know it says a lot of it
Katniss thinking of Gale a lot doesn't bother me too much as I think she does need to explore and resolve her feelings for him. Her relationship with Peeta is something she has to grow into, and part of that is her truly considering what Gale would be like as a romantic partner before she can fully choose to be with Peeta.
"I want to see him (Peeta) work through some trauma" oh past you had no IDEA what you were in for
This video is interesting but am I going insane or is her pronunciation of series’s so weird
I thought you analysis was insightful. However series is already plural so I think you are mispronouncing the word. I love the Hunger Games too but I could not get into Twilight until Cedric Diggerory played Edward Cullen. I disagree that the triangle was not there, I was Team Gal from the beginning while Peeta was nice and kind and literally saved her life with the bread, I’m just not a fan. Ultimately your discussion was immensely thoughtful.
You look like Dakota Johnson but even more beautiful! Lol
"I hate to make this so gendered," ugh
Even tho they are all males and females Ok, I'm out.
Bye byeee 👋 we won’t miss u babes
Kato had body armor. Only his head and hands were exposed.