Hey man, if you see this you may be glad to hear the whole FF Franchise has sold another 10 million units across the past year. Thats all games mind, but I can assure you tons were copies of 7Rebirth and 16. The franchise is just fine, don't buy their scare tactics
I know Yoshi-P said he wanted to drop the Roman numerals of each mainline. But personally I’m kinda mixed on that thought. Sure, it may clear up confusion for new fans on asking what game to play first, but at the same time, I feel like the Roman numerals are just a core aspect of the Final Fantasy brand. Once we get to Final Fantasy XX (which is a LONG TIME away), then I can understand dropping the numbers
I understand what you mean, but it's not susteinable unless you keep your entire playerbase basically "forever". I've heard and read more times than i can remember that a very large number of younger gamers don't touch FF because they see the title say 16 for example and think they should play 15 games before that, and like many people on any type of media comsuption, they don't ask so they never know that each title is self-contained. Of course we know that, but we are not enough to make games on these scale profitable.
I disagree. He's too edgy and he dislikes conventional tropes too much. FF needs to go back to its roots, not put some empowered autist in charge of it so it can become even more different.
With a story written by Ishikawa, the battle system of FF7R and a unique setting like FFX, FF17 would have the potential to go down as one of the greatest of all time
I personally think the battle system for FF7R really needs a lot of wrinkles ironed out. I like the idea on paper, but in execution its rough around the edges.
Like I said before.... Final Fantasy needs to feel like a Final Fantasy. It has nothing to do with new generations. Crystals, world ending events, a cast of characters that are emotionally charged, job classes, steampunk with some sci-fi elements, airships, eidolons and last and most important......A happy ending with sad notes. FF7 and FF9 being the greatest examples of endings. FF7 was proof that you don't need all these elements to feel like Final Fantasy, but you at least need most of it and if you take something out, you need to put a equivalent to it back in.
Also don't forget about party members. The best parts of the FF games was having a bunch of friends to go on the adventure with. Not make it a solo game with some AI helping you (FF16).
If Ishikawa writes and Nomura directs that would be a dream come true. Yes I know Nomura is considering retirement but I'm sure the guy has at least one more game left in him
Man I would LOVE if 17 looked anything like that CGI tech video with the 2 women fighting in a cybernetic japanaese setting. A fantasy setting that looks like Japan or Asian inspired would be refreshing for the series. X had some elements of that kinda, that game had the best and most original/unique world to me
Having Natsuko Ishikawa as the next major FF writer would be great! I also agree on CS1 unqiue ability on world building. Personally I am not picky on who ends up in charge of the next game. I am just hoping they knock it out of the park and with it, and give us all a positive game experience that will stay with us for a long time.🙌🏽😁 My greatest wish would be to have every single CS designate the the best people to come together and work a common game someday as well.❤ Thanks for sharing you insights on the subject NSP!🙌🏽🤩💕
After playing Metaphor: ReFantazio and with the upcoming Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, I don't even care about Final Fantasy anymore. I just want Kingdom Hearts 4
I don't think anyone should be writing anything unless they have an idea they NEED to get out that keeps them awake at night, not just because they're a good name employed by the company. When that happens we'll all be blown away. Not everybody works well with somebody too, its not like maths. That's why Sakaguchi, George Lucas or James Cameron returning to their respective franchises would be a disaster, they're only human and have already said what they wanted to say.
Completely agree. The industrialization of franchises kills creativity because it's all about release out as much content as possible in as short a time as possible.
Great job brother, I’ve been a Final Fantasy fan since I first played Final Fantasy II (FF IV) on the SNES back when I was in elementary school. I hope FF 17 goes back more to its roots. Take care brother 🙏🏼
Honestly think hiring "fans" could be a hot mess. Mass Effect: Andromeda was mainly developed by fans of the ME trilogy, and we saw how that turned out. I think FFXVII should be led by a less established team within Square, but partially staffed by newer hirers. That way we get the best of both worlds. As for the game itself, gameplay HAS to build off of the VIIR system. Its the best mix of real-time and turnbased that's possible right now. XVI was a good game, but its combat was bad for the series. Personally, I'd love a setting that pulls inspiration from regions like the Middle East or Southeast Asia. Natsuko Ishikawa would be a great lead writer for XVII. However, also think dropping the numbering scheme is a bad idea.
Man, just imagine Yoko Taro doing something like FF6... But you play as Kefka in an alternative timeline, where he fails in the critical moment... and something even worse happens, and this time your goal is to destroy the world, again :)
I just want Nomura to direct a new and original mainline entry before he retires. I'm all for fresh blood like Ishikawa being involved too and Shadowbringers is one of my favorite FF stories but I would also love a swan song to the legacy that Nomura had a huge impact on even though a strong amount of FF fans refuse to admit it.
If Ishikawa did 17...that would be amazing. Her writing is so good. She understand characters and plot development. I'd just hope the game design could return to classic FF with world maps and all. Then take personal battle system as a base idea of how to do things.
I'd love to see Hamaguchi as director as well, this guy just gets it. In the scenario writing seat(s), my picks would obviously be none other than Hironobu Sakaguchi the lord himself and that crazy bastard Yoko Taro. Music ? Keiichi Okabe and Nobuo Uematsu for additional tracks. Could even bring Yoko Shimomura for some insane boss battle tracks. Combat could go either way, the FF7R route or full on turn-based combat. Square Enix should watch closely at what Clair Obscur and Metaphor are doing right now, bringing back the formula this time around and going back to what made Final Fantasy what it was in the first place could be a great idea.
Best case scenario for me is Creative Business Unit 1 for FF17. Would be really cool to see Hamaguchi direct something brand new where he's not limited by source material/fan expectations. Also might be time for Mitsuto Suzuki to finally get his chance to be the primary composer on a mainline title. Worst case scenario is they try to contract an external studio again, because that never works out well for anybody.
@@Penguinz13989 Of course, do you want your company to survive or not? Do you want to keep making things? What a curious question? Truth is as soon as you get put in the stock market your company dies as soon as it stops making less money than last quarter. We can live in a dreamworld with artistic integrity and shit like that but that only works if you're not publicly traded (for example Larian).
shadowbringer and endwalker had me hooked from beginning to end, it was a beautiful story. if she is working on a mainline final fantasy 17, im preordering immediately.
Well, the idea of Ishikawa working on FF17 is pretty solid because post Endwalker/Dawntrail's writing has had a huge Ishikawa shaped hole in it. Her absence is the only reason I can see for the state of FF14's narrative at this point.
Who knows if it will make big surprise for all of us: the comeback of Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu for XVII. (I hope lol) And it will make sense because XVII have “VII” on it. (The most popular FF)
A FF completely focused on exploration and airships would be incredible, Rebirth captured a lot of that, also Square start reading current fantasy novels and get a feel for what its grabbing people in the underground scenes of the modern world too.
this is where a creative unit or 2 that could serve AA level 3yrs dev game should be implemented. this channel has already provided much of the options that squareenix could implement. having the 3 and a half long discussion and the atlus topic in the forefront. but at the head of this, they really should place the "new sakaguchi" first before even planning out anything.
There's probably concepts forming for 17 but given how big of a project that the FF7R trilogy and Part 3 in particular is expected to be, it will probably be a long time before 17 really materializes.
I absolutely love Stellar Blade! It’s a truly amazing game overall I think. I’ve played through it twice just to get both endings. The soundtrack literally was stellar too.
I hope a different studio that includes some of Luminous Studios is working on the new FFXVII. The people that worked in Luminous were definitely capable of working on new FFs and meeting fan expectations. The big issue is leadership of any studio that would work on the new game.
Apart from wanting ff17 to be a good adventure I just want it to be easily accessible across consoles and pcs. My heart crushing moments from 16 it being gate kept for a good while and once it finally reached pc now a good amount of people still couldn't play because they put absurd graphic card demands even though the game can be optimized to work on lower end pc. I know square enix can do better at accessibility.
Before I begin my comment, just know that I have nothing agaisnt Naoki Yoshida, i think FF XIV is one of the most ambitious MMORPG video games of all time and its target demographic is not just MMO fans but people that enjoy the FF series as well. How ever, the largest problem with FF XVI is that it was developed by a guy that carries the whole MMO core philosophy of design in his creative work. Its great as an MMO for being the type of game that it is, but when working on something that is supposed to carry on the legacy of the FF brand main series, this is where it goes sour. FF XVI had an immensely satisfying start, but it unfortunately devolved into its MMO conventions which I think turned alot of longtime fans away, not to mention that it was a single player action game. I think for FF XVII, it would probably be better suited in the hands of creative division 1 because they do realistically understand more the DNA of what constitutes a offline jrpg for this beloved franchise. Or it can even a brand new team to breath life back into the series with a different perspective based on experience playing the many games of the past. Also, congratulations at achieving 100k subs NSP. I am happy to be a long time subscriber of yours.
@@geoffreychauvin1474 That's why is a Dream Team. Rebirth's Quest design is AMAZING and Yoshi-P as Producer did a great job. Do i need to explain why Shadowbringers writer? This team could bring an awesome FF XVII
I think for me... the must-have to grab an audience nowadays (that isn't Roblox or Fortnite adjacent lmao) is story and characters first and foremost. Looking to indie games specifically for guidance given they're well-loved amongst younger kids- You got your Celestes or your Undertales- your In Stars and Times and even goddamn Five Nights at Freddy's, I can see kids gravitating towards Final Fantasy if it has a REALLY damn good story. I'd also say maybe avoid heavy fan service- maybe aim for a 15+ age rating- along the lines of what Twilight Princess is. Just for the time being! Cause' kids will most likely still gravitate toward M rated games (M is 15+ in my country for context PFFT), like how when I was 12, I shouldn't have played Twilight Princess but got incredibly hooked on it despite the age rating. Thats what I think 16 missed the mark with- being MA (aimed at 17+ basically), it avoided a key audience that the series heavily needs to cater to right now in this time. That's also why FFXV probably did really well, it was 15+ and encouraged newer fans- younger fans to jump in. I mean I was that exact key demographic of 15-year-olds when I found the game LMAO Let the series grow up with new generations. When they're around adulthood, then it's your shot to give another MA or even R rated FF a go, maybe once in a while. I just think 16 being mature came at kinda a bad time for the series. BUT I bet kids will still play it in the future once they get to know the series more. But yes, my main source of inspo for a FF story would be indie games- given indie games and media are also surpassing mainstream media in DROVES. (Also I'm a guilty 2000's kid who grew up in the Undertale and FNAF era PFFT So that's... kinda my stance) And my other idea, would 100% be: DEVELOP YOUR CHARACTERS TO THE BEST U CAN! I know a few recent Final Fantasy games have had those... characters you just don't like, or those characters that even you thinking up a story for them would be better than what they got. Again turning to Undertale and deltarune- the way you can connect with the characters so much- even if they first appear to be standard archetypes, the more the story progresses, the more you LEARN about them. That's also why when I played FF6 for the first time like, 2 weeks ago lmao, it's rised to being my 2nd fave FF, just because the majority of your party are so diverse in personalities and stories. So overall- Story and Characters aswell as a 15+ age range that can garner new audiences and also bring back long-time fans. Figure out what the kids who DON'T play online games, like. Maybe also look to what worked with past games- look to what you can make a spin on. I'll be honest, I really don't mind what direction the next game goes, I mean- I don't like the gameplay style much of 16 but it's still my 4th fave FF PFFT It's bloody fantastic >:3! But these are just my views. I didn't grow up with the series- got into it late 2018 actually, but I feel just from the games I've played and what the sorta game scape now is, these are just my thoughts. Sorry for such a long text, if anyone read this, UHH HI LMAO And uh To cap this off: I'd like a really good ass villain with 17 aswell, adjacent to Kefka, Kuja, Ardyn or Sephiroth :>
I feel like the "these games don't meet expectations" worries are the easiest thing on the fucking planet to fix. 1. "Expectations" are vague. Just because some subhuman scum-sucking investors "expected" a game to sell 85 gorrilion copies, spawn 8 years of netflix tie-ins, and create a 20 year live-service platform which makes 4 billion a year on some stupid battlepass doesn't mean the game didn't recoup its own development costs. 2. Focus on releasing for as many platforms as you can swing, and since the new switch is going to be more powerful, launch there as well. FF16 probably would have surprised in sales if they weren't so determined on exclusivity. If Sony wants an exclusive title for their platform, let them actually pay for it instead of taking deals which only cause Square Enix pain.
I do think CSU3 is again doing 17 but without Yoshi-P involvement. Ishikawa and newer hires can splinter off at it and would fulfill everything he's said. The only other group, CSU1 is too tied up with KH4 and FF7 Part 3
I wish Rebirth had gotten the *monetary* success it deserved. It’s a masterpiece, but because its sales didn’t meet expectations, Square is looking at it like a failure. Square should be celebrating releasing a game of that caliber.
Do NOT drop the numbers. Dropping the number is bad idea. Everyone knows it is separate titles.. the zoomers will figure it out if they like the game design
See? As time goes on, more and more of what made a ff game, a ff game is being taken away. Pretty soon the words 'final' and 'fantasy' won't be in future titles😂😂
I think FF and games in general need to take a step back and focus on gameplay over visuals. Outside of FF kind of losing its identity trying new things, I also think SE having so much of an emphasis on a cinematic experience and trying to appeal to so many outside of gaming was the first step to it's decline. These games are literally just interactive visual novels at this point.
Look, I get it but since these things take so long to make, remember what was hot when this thing was on the drawing board? Back then Game of Thrones could do no wrong and it was considered the revival of the whole fantasy genre. Now several seasons of GoT later and a bad ending that left everyone with a sour taste in their mouth we look at it differently. But at the time on the whiteboard it must have looked like a genius move.
@@philippedaigneault366 that's the problem; Final Fantasy used to set trends not chase them. The fact that it wanted to emulate Game of Thrones is not a good thing
@@geoffreychauvin1474 Agreed, they used to be trend setters instead of trend chasers but as the price for making these things is so high now that they need to sell 5 million just to break even. That's why you hear "did not meet expectations" so much. "Expectations" have become way too high. My question is always where is all that money going? I just wish they did more smaller projects instead of always betting the house on "bigger" but more conservative projects.
Honestly I think SE's biggest mistake was the Playstation exclusive releases. When you limit the people who can play your game based on the console your sales are going to match. As for whats to come for FF17 I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. I would love to see the next game written by Ishikawa. I think that would be amazing.
I’d like to see them back away from realistic graphics and fully action based combat. The Final Fantasy VII remake games are a great template but I love the 2DHD turn-based games they’ve been making.
Currently we don't know "officially". There was a rumour from an infamous someone that posed as someone else that used to be a source for lots of things, that originally Xeen (Trials of Mana Remake, Romancing Saga 2 Remake) was working on it but then switched to in-house, with Creative Studio 1 taking the helm, apparently But given the infamy of that person's identity, it's probably best to take that rumor with always a grain of salt.
I don't care that much about the team. I hope though that Hiroyuki Ito is Director again. Like he was for FF9 OG. He is the mechanical FF guy who created and evolved ATB. And all I actually want is an impoved ATB combat for this game.
@@Evidancer I pretty much had the same thoughts as well. Upon also the return of Toshiyuki Itahana returning to the helm as one of the Character Designers (Since he was for OG FF9) to assist with updated Character Designs that translate well with upgraded modern graphics, among who else handles the visuals
I'm hoping Final Fantasy 17 has an aetherpunk setting with FFVII Remake Trilogy gameplay mixed with some aspects of Kingdom Hearts gameplay. I'm still expecting a male as the main lead of the party especially since the annoyance of the girl boss era still has not faded.
Put Creative Unit 3 in charge of story/setting/characters/etc from now on. FF16 had one of the best stories ever from a FF game despite its linear/limited gameplay.
It'll be a Must have when it has screen clearin abilities like Alterna in FF15, Judgement Cut End in DMC 5 or Zantetsuken lvl 5 in FFXVI. I love em specially if you can spam it when you've spent hours build crafting also, true RPG elements, unlike 16 that felt half assed just enough to call it an RPG
Expecting comments that FF17 will be literal UBER trash without a turnbased system, line up in an orderly fashion in the comments below fellas to insult me, after all you love waiting your turns.
I feel they can do a turnbased FF, but they should not do some crazy realistic graphics that will cost hundreds of millions to make. I don't think the turnbased system will appeal to enough people to pay for a AAA budget of hundreds of millions of dollars.
I think the crucial point is not about turn based system, but is all about the strategy. That’s why XV sucks (don’t know about XVI, haven’t played it). Persona and pokemon is good, but not so strategic like FF, each battle strategy is too similiar.
I stopped buying FF games when they lost their turn based. I did buy 15 but it just wasn't a final fantasy game to me. I haven't even bothered looking at 16 for the same reason. I'm sure the games are great, though without the turn based game play it isn't something ill buy.
After FF13, FF15, FF16 and FF7R I'm actually not very interested into new Final Fantasys at all unfortuneatly. All of their general gamedesigns in the FF HD AAA era are somewhere between sloggish, boring, generic, anoying and frustrating. Not even talking about combat. More about Pacing, general Gameplay-flow, exploration, skilltree-designs, variety of landscsapes, side-content, QoL-stuff, invisible walls having forced backward walking, forced slowed walking, QTEs in Cutscenes etc etc. They need to deeply improve it or otherwise I'll say the sales will keep decrease and multiplat won't fix it on the long run. My eyes are on FF9R, DQ12, Verum Rex and the new Sakaguchi game. And of course Clair Obscur. Having said that, of course I'm still here and want them to convince me. But at this point they really have to convince me. Won't buy anything in good trust or hope anymore.
I do not believe it's the fault of Square Enix or the series for the unmet sales expectations as Rebirth was the best one they've made yet. I just think the community is toxic and ungrateful.
I definitely think some new blood should handle 17 I agree with Yoshi-P, and with Nomura talking about retirement maybe it is time. Honestly, I would like a frontier story, a return to the found family formula, and while I think an Eastern inspired setting could be amazing, Type-1 was also supposed to be an Eastern inspired Orience, so maybe mainly Eastern elements but give it an "Old West Gold Rush" vibe to splice it with. Thinking like Meiji Restoration as the root era inspiration with a little bit of Spaghetti Western sprinkled in. Also another cheerful protag with depth, I think Zidane, Tidus, Vaan and Bartz are the best protags (my opinion). And I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the saturation of broody MCs that occasionally smile and crack 1 joke through the whole game. Gameplay not so important, I just don't want it to be saturated in side quests, (I'll make an exemption for hunt boards bc that was a ton of fun in XII), and really as long as the systems are fleshed out and robust then I'd be perfectly content. Irdc if it's action or turn-based, that's never been important to me. But hey, that's just my take.
@@morriganrenfield8240 And yet the fandom has been discussing Combat much more consistent and passionated than about the stories for over 20 years until this very moment.
@@morriganrenfield8240 "X isn't what made Y Y" is the stupidest meme of the last decade -_- everything is what made FF FF. using the same battle system for 9 or 10 games depending on how you count is a defining feature by any reasonable definition.
This is basically why Final Fantasy isn't doing well. People bring up a "name" and everyone starts to believe it's going to be amazing... and then everyone starts crying because the game isn't the same anymore. It's an annoying cycle that I see happening with FF and, to be honest, put this game in the hands of new people, but JAPANESE PEOPLE, not like Crystal Dynamics who, thank god, didn't make FFXV like Square wanted, because CD gave Square more damage than Square itself. And for god sake, i don't wanna se an FF like FFXIV with boring sidequests or "references" like they did with XVI. I was expecting XVI could be a REALLY new thing, and they bring the fucking plot of an "advanced civilization created the humans, blablabla", let it in XIV, there is cool, here not, XIV have emet selch, not the boring dumb Ultima villain.
I don't care about all the nitpicky details. I don't care if the next entry has a number in it. I don't even are if the graphics are cutting-edge or basic. I just want another Final Fantasy that recaptures what made the series so fun and thought-provoking. These last couple games in 16, 7 remake/rebirth, and Origin, have made me feel like the devs and directors are pandering to a group of masses that don't actually care about the fundamental concept behind FF as a series. I don't mind a little swearing, implied sensuality, violence, and drug usage in a good JRPG, especially if it's actually relevant to a certain point, but I was disappointed with how "hand-out" the 7 Remake felt, and the characters felt far more like manifestations of modern anime tropes rather than believable and relatable characters, and 16 basically was just a blood and gore and sex and swear festival, with FF tied in. I know these are all probably hot takes, I will not waste time reading scathing remarks or even compliments, I'm just stating my opinion. I've been a fan of the series since literally it's beginning. I've seen all the games, both mainline and spin offs, I've seen the movies, the anime, read the manga, I've been in love with this franchise and everything it stood for. But when 16 came out, it was the first time I seriously considered the possibility that I wasted money and time on an FF game. And that's even considering 15, the "unfinished FF". This realization hit me like a freight train. I've been a fan of this franchise since my childhood. Its stories have helped me navigate a lot of the murkier areas of my life where mentors and authority figures failed to help me. To realize that, now, all of a sudden, this series that I had come to love so dearly and rely upon for the highest quality entertainment (and sometimes enlightenment), has begun to disappoint me the same as all the other drivel in media out there, saddened and depressed me intensely. I don't want to say it, but I have to consider seriously that maybe the time when quality entertainment was within reach is gone, and I sincerely hope that in upcoming projects the devs prove me wrong, otherwise FF will be dead to me. I just hope whatever new team works on 17 and the series from here on out, knows and understands what the game came from, and what it's been through, and can grasp what it will take, not just to make a game that catches the interest of new generations, but sends members of the past generation down a nostalgia trip. If it veers too far off course, it's gonna be just a bunch of games with the Final Fantasy name slapped on them.
I think for the combat of Final Fantasy 17 they should go back to the base and try some new mechanics to make it more fun. And go away from the Game of Thrones ecstatic.
@@soulbrant10010 It's just that people have Game of Thrones fatigue, and a newer aesthetic with some complimentary inspirations from other fantasy franchises would be good for the next Final Fantasy game.
People desperately wanted a pure medieval FF again for years and they got it. Of course it didn't have a turn based system so apparently it was all in vain😂
@@johnmcternan4157 I'm just saying if for certain games like the next Final Fantasy game it should try going back to turn-based, but add some new features to make it more fun for old and new fans.
TBH FF13 was not a good entry into the series and I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to allow them to make another FF title. Granted, it's been a long time so I'm sure the team is different now. I know it might be a bit out there but if they did make another FF game I'd like them to collaborate with From Software.
If Clair Obscur is good and if Sandfall Interactive goes on with TB games, I might do it as well. Currently at least I have way more confidence in them than in Square. That's for sure.
Stop wasting your time here the real title of this video is " I dont have a clue who is working 17 and neither do you " There is no value in this video at all.
REBIRTH had too many minigames, rebirth had the posibility to have dungeons and secreat bosses and it did not, i hope they release DLC like this with remake to correct this or release third part fast
I have no faith at all in modern Square Enix. The last FF that could be deemed a masterpiece was X, the last good FF was XII, and everything else that came after varies from acceptable to trash. Say whatever you want but you cannot deny that VII Remake did not live up to the hype, and Rebirth was not enough to bring the series up to its rightful place as the most respected RPG franchise in the Video Game industry. XVI was one of the most boring games in terms of story I have ever played, and the gameplay... well, there's literally no reason to play XVI instead DMC or Ninja Gaiden. Also, PLEASE, stop with the "let's kill god" trope. I can't believe they went with this trash premise for XVI, it's like they don't know how to do anything but try to empower their atheistic idiocy.
I definitely think there should be new blood to make XVII. I also think the developers should prioritize the younger Gen Z and older Gen Alpha. Us millennials and the Gen Xers should not be the main target audience. Sad to say we are getting older. Some have family and other responsibilities. Personally I’m just along for the ride. I’m cool with whatever so long it’s fun. SE also should just focus on their own vision of the game. The fan base been hating every main title since I entered the series with IX. They are never going to please everyone so just make the best game they can and let the chip fall where they will. All this love for IX still cracks me up as a fan of the game considering I remember all the bashing it used to get in the early to mid 00s. Funny enough I’m neutral on a hypothetical remake. It’s my favorite FF game but I rather see a new game.
I'm glad you aren't in charge then. What makes you think ditching a built in audience is the way to go? Final fantasy fans are not young it's a series that has been around for nearly forty years now
@@geoffreychauvin1474 Damn shame for you because that's how the other gaming companies are thinking. It's all about growth. Like I said SE should prioritize the younger generation as their main target audience. I never said ditch the older audience. Us older gamers can decide to play their future games or not but we are not the future anymore. There is no need to get emotional. This is business. If you want to grow your audience you focus on the younger potential customers. The older generation have other responsibilities like a family and a job. Most aren't gaming as much. Some may have stop gaming altogether due to life responsibilities. Thus they aren't reliable as customers and the brand remain stagnant. The older gen Alpha and younger gen Z have a good 1-2 decades before it's their turn to be cycle for the next generation that comes after them. While they are still young it would be in SE's best interest as a business to figure out how to appeal to them.
I'm praying XVII will be an MMORPG, XIV is finished, it's time for the next MMO to come out. If not XVII, then XVIII Edit: imo, it should 100% be Ishikawa behind the next FF's creation. Her writing-style is 🧑🍳 *chefs kiss*
I never play FF7R despite FF being one of my favorite franchises, reason being was that the combat felt slow and unresponsive in the demo. Like I see a lot of sacrifice being made in the movement of the character(how they control) for the sake of realism. Like it's not snappy like Kingdon Hearts for example. And Alot of enemies have super armor that shoudn't have it. Like really just gonna big ass swing from Buster Sword and continue attack animation? SO imo the action gameplay wasn't that good as it should be. That's what turned me off and I'm many other too.
I was so sad with the "remakes" I got the first one couldn't play it through, didn't like it we wanted a remake.. won't buy the others. Don't care for the changes and such they should have called it FF7 reimagined. They changed the gameplay, the story, the materia and summons. Was so bad.
bring back FF1/FF3 magic tier system, open world exploration again via land, sea and sky using canoe, sea ship to airship. Find out where to go or deep lore of land from speaking to npcs of your own accord. FF7 Rebirth does some of this, go further for FF17 going back to its roots, still full 3D, high fantasy deep RPG. FF17 been in development for quite a while now.
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Hey man, if you see this you may be glad to hear the whole FF Franchise has sold another 10 million units across the past year. Thats all games mind, but I can assure you tons were copies of 7Rebirth and 16. The franchise is just fine, don't buy their scare tactics
I know Yoshi-P said he wanted to drop the Roman numerals of each mainline. But personally I’m kinda mixed on that thought. Sure, it may clear up confusion for new fans on asking what game to play first, but at the same time, I feel like the Roman numerals are just a core aspect of the Final Fantasy brand.
Once we get to Final Fantasy XX (which is a LONG TIME away), then I can understand dropping the numbers
Until we get to Final Fantasy 30 and someone types the Roman numeral in the search bar. 😂😂😂
I understand what you mean, but it's not susteinable unless you keep your entire playerbase basically "forever". I've heard and read more times than i can remember that a very large number of younger gamers don't touch FF because they see the title say 16 for example and think they should play 15 games before that, and like many people on any type of media comsuption, they don't ask so they never know that each title is self-contained. Of course we know that, but we are not enough to make games on these scale profitable.
They're going to have to, or they will need to skip Final Fantasy XXX for ethical and marketing reasons
Do you know how long fans have been waiting for Final Fantasy XXX?
it would be nice if they dropped it at 20, ending on even number. after that they could drop the numbers
No matter who makes it, half the fanbase will hate it
Inconsequential as long as it sells and reviews well
@@GoldenMushroom64I've only ever really disliked the most recent entry because it lost its Japanese identity.
Except XV, which is more than 50% I think. Including me. Never dislike FF games so much like XV lol.
Imma get the 🍿 popcorn
I just want an 8 remake. Yes, you read that correctly.
Man, I want ever FF to get a face-lift. But only that, updated models, animations and vfx. And new shiny cutscenes. That's it. No voice acting needed.
renake the worst ff game? hard pass
Me too ✨
Same!! Id sell my soul fir an 8 remake
I always thought 8 was the best, especially the soundtrack. I was an angsty teen when it came out, so I totally clicked with Squall at the time.
If Yoko Taro isn’t going to make another Nier or Drakengard game anytime soon I think he’d be a great candidate for directing FFXVII
I disagree. He's too edgy and he dislikes conventional tropes too much. FF needs to go back to its roots, not put some empowered autist in charge of it so it can become even more different.
With a story written by Ishikawa, the battle system of FF7R and a unique setting like FFX, FF17 would have the potential to go down as one of the greatest of all time
I personally think the battle system for FF7R really needs a lot of wrinkles ironed out. I like the idea on paper, but in execution its rough around the edges.
@@Auster9376completely agree. It’s pretty bland and easy and they need to add something to spice it up
Who would be the director though? That's most important.
Eww X setting.
Not the battle system for god's sake. Can this series please just be an rpg, not this not action shait
There is also the Final Fantasy Tactics remaster that was part of the Nvidia leak that also had the FF9 remake listed.
Wish we got something closer to Angi's Philosophy.
Like I said before.... Final Fantasy needs to feel like a Final Fantasy. It has nothing to do with new generations. Crystals, world ending events, a cast of characters that are emotionally charged, job classes, steampunk with some sci-fi elements, airships, eidolons and last and most important......A happy ending with sad notes. FF7 and FF9 being the greatest examples of endings. FF7 was proof that you don't need all these elements to feel like Final Fantasy, but you at least need most of it and if you take something out, you need to put a equivalent to it back in.
Agreed. V and VI managed to achieve this too to a certain degree, IX for certain nailed it.
16 and Rebirth have all of these things. A happy ending is not required.
Also don't forget about party members. The best parts of the FF games was having a bunch of friends to go on the adventure with. Not make it a solo game with some AI helping you (FF16).
Also party members, elemental weaknesses, potions, -ra & -ga spells, and a little bit of silly goofy-ness.
And explorable map and airships.
If Ishikawa writes and Nomura directs that would be a dream come true. Yes I know Nomura is considering retirement but I'm sure the guy has at least one more game left in him
Man I would LOVE if 17 looked anything like that CGI tech video with the 2 women fighting in a cybernetic japanaese setting. A fantasy setting that looks like Japan or Asian inspired would be refreshing for the series. X had some elements of that kinda, that game had the best and most original/unique world to me
Having Natsuko Ishikawa as the next major FF writer would be great! I also agree on CS1 unqiue ability on world building. Personally I am not picky on who ends up in charge of the next game. I am just hoping they knock it out of the park and with it, and give us all a positive game experience that will stay with us for a long time.🙌🏽😁
My greatest wish would be to have every single CS designate the the best people to come together and work a common game someday as well.❤ Thanks for sharing you insights on the subject NSP!🙌🏽🤩💕
After playing Metaphor: ReFantazio and with the upcoming Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, I don't even care about Final Fantasy anymore. I just want Kingdom Hearts 4
I don't think anyone should be writing anything unless they have an idea they NEED to get out that keeps them awake at night, not just because they're a good name employed by the company. When that happens we'll all be blown away.
Not everybody works well with somebody too, its not like maths.
That's why Sakaguchi, George Lucas or James Cameron returning to their respective franchises would be a disaster, they're only human and have already said what they wanted to say.
Completely agree. The industrialization of franchises kills creativity because it's all about release out as much content as possible in as short a time as possible.
Great job brother, I’ve been a Final Fantasy fan since I first played Final Fantasy II (FF IV) on the SNES back when I was in elementary school. I hope FF 17 goes back more to its roots. Take care brother 🙏🏼
Honestly think hiring "fans" could be a hot mess. Mass Effect: Andromeda was mainly developed by fans of the ME trilogy, and we saw how that turned out. I think FFXVII should be led by a less established team within Square, but partially staffed by newer hirers. That way we get the best of both worlds.
As for the game itself, gameplay HAS to build off of the VIIR system. Its the best mix of real-time and turnbased that's possible right now. XVI was a good game, but its combat was bad for the series. Personally, I'd love a setting that pulls inspiration from regions like the Middle East or Southeast Asia. Natsuko Ishikawa would be a great lead writer for XVII. However, also think dropping the numbering scheme is a bad idea.
Yoko Taro doing FFXVII would start a fire within my soul
Man, just imagine Yoko Taro doing something like FF6... But you play as Kefka in an alternative timeline, where he fails in the critical moment... and something even worse happens, and this time your goal is to destroy the world, again :)
I just want Nomura to direct a new and original mainline entry before he retires. I'm all for fresh blood like Ishikawa being involved too and Shadowbringers is one of my favorite FF stories but I would also love a swan song to the legacy that Nomura had a huge impact on even though a strong amount of FF fans refuse to admit it.
If Ishikawa did 17...that would be amazing. Her writing is so good. She understand characters and plot development. I'd just hope the game design could return to classic FF with world maps and all. Then take personal battle system as a base idea of how to do things.
I'd love to see Hamaguchi as director as well, this guy just gets it. In the scenario writing seat(s), my picks would obviously be none other than Hironobu Sakaguchi the lord himself and that crazy bastard Yoko Taro. Music ? Keiichi Okabe and Nobuo Uematsu for additional tracks. Could even bring Yoko Shimomura for some insane boss battle tracks.
Combat could go either way, the FF7R route or full on turn-based combat. Square Enix should watch closely at what Clair Obscur and Metaphor are doing right now, bringing back the formula this time around and going back to what made Final Fantasy what it was in the first place could be a great idea.
I miss the days when we would get a new awesome square enix game every year. thanks for the video ❤
Best case scenario for me is Creative Business Unit 1 for FF17. Would be really cool to see Hamaguchi direct something brand new where he's not limited by source material/fan expectations. Also might be time for Mitsuto Suzuki to finally get his chance to be the primary composer on a mainline title.
Worst case scenario is they try to contract an external studio again, because that never works out well for anybody.
Not that thumbnail..... I missed FFBE now....
I would fire CB3 if I were square enix
I wouldn't go that drastic but I would keep them sequestered to MMOs where they shine. Not to single player games
LOL, FF14 was the only game making a profit in the last few years. Firing them would be the equivalent of Squenix committing seppuku.
@@philippedaigneault366 LOL, so you think that if something makes money that means it’s good.
@@Penguinz13989 Of course, do you want your company to survive or not? Do you want to keep making things? What a curious question? Truth is as soon as you get put in the stock market your company dies as soon as it stops making less money than last quarter. We can live in a dreamworld with artistic integrity and shit like that but that only works if you're not publicly traded (for example Larian).
shadowbringer and endwalker had me hooked from beginning to end, it was a beautiful story. if she is working on a mainline final fantasy 17, im preordering immediately.
Well, the idea of Ishikawa working on FF17 is pretty solid because post Endwalker/Dawntrail's writing has had a huge Ishikawa shaped hole in it. Her absence is the only reason I can see for the state of FF14's narrative at this point.
Who knows if it will make big surprise for all of us: the comeback of Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu for XVII. (I hope lol) And it will make sense because XVII have “VII” on it. (The most popular FF)
A FF completely focused on exploration and airships would be incredible, Rebirth captured a lot of that, also Square start reading current fantasy novels and get a feel for what its grabbing people in the underground scenes of the modern world too.
this is where a creative unit or 2 that could serve AA level 3yrs dev game should be implemented.
this channel has already provided much of the options that squareenix could implement. having the 3 and a half long discussion and the atlus topic in the forefront.
but at the head of this, they really should place the "new sakaguchi" first before even planning out anything.
I'm still waiting for an 11-2; a sequel can be used to explore unexplored lands of Vana'diel, like the Mithra's homeland Gha Naboh.
There's probably concepts forming for 17 but given how big of a project that the FF7R trilogy and Part 3 in particular is expected to be, it will probably be a long time before 17 really materializes.
I absolutely love Stellar Blade! It’s a truly amazing game overall I think. I’ve played through it twice just to get both endings. The soundtrack literally was stellar too.
I hope a different studio that includes some of Luminous Studios is working on the new FFXVII. The people that worked in Luminous were definitely capable of working on new FFs and meeting fan expectations. The big issue is leadership of any studio that would work on the new game.
A final fantasy fan is 40+, the fresh faces will not be fans
Apart from wanting ff17 to be a good adventure I just want it to be easily accessible across consoles and pcs. My heart crushing moments from 16 it being gate kept for a good while and once it finally reached pc now a good amount of people still couldn't play because they put absurd graphic card demands even though the game can be optimized to work on lower end pc. I know square enix can do better at accessibility.
Before I begin my comment, just know that I have nothing agaisnt Naoki Yoshida, i think FF XIV is one of the most ambitious MMORPG video games of all time and its target demographic is not just MMO fans but people that enjoy the FF series as well. How ever, the largest problem with FF XVI is that it was developed by a guy that carries the whole MMO core philosophy of design in his creative work. Its great as an MMO for being the type of game that it is, but when working on something that is supposed to carry on the legacy of the FF brand main series, this is where it goes sour. FF XVI had an immensely satisfying start, but it unfortunately devolved into its MMO conventions which I think turned alot of longtime fans away, not to mention that it was a single player action game. I think for FF XVII, it would probably be better suited in the hands of creative division 1 because they do realistically understand more the DNA of what constitutes a offline jrpg for this beloved franchise. Or it can even a brand new team to breath life back into the series with a different perspective based on experience playing the many games of the past.
Also, congratulations at achieving 100k subs NSP. I am happy to be a long time subscriber of yours.
Holy Trinity for FF XVII:
Director: Naoki Hamaguchi (FF7 Rebirth)
Producer: Yoshi-P (FF 14 y 16)
Writer: Natsuko Ishikawa (FF 14 Shadowbringers)
Personally I don't want anyone from the MMOs anywhere near the next entry.
@@geoffreychauvin1474 That's why is a Dream Team. Rebirth's Quest design is AMAZING and Yoshi-P as Producer did a great job. Do i need to explain why Shadowbringers writer? This team could bring an awesome FF XVII
@@SomnusShinra shadowbringers is an MMO expansion, I'm not interested in MMO storytelling in a single player rpg. Not everyone is interested in ff14
I think for me... the must-have to grab an audience nowadays (that isn't Roblox or Fortnite adjacent lmao) is story and characters first and foremost.
Looking to indie games specifically for guidance given they're well-loved amongst younger kids- You got your Celestes or your Undertales- your In Stars and Times and even goddamn Five Nights at Freddy's, I can see kids gravitating towards Final Fantasy if it has a REALLY damn good story. I'd also say maybe avoid heavy fan service- maybe aim for a 15+ age rating- along the lines of what Twilight Princess is. Just for the time being!
Cause' kids will most likely still gravitate toward M rated games (M is 15+ in my country for context PFFT), like how when I was 12, I shouldn't have played Twilight Princess but got incredibly hooked on it despite the age rating.
Thats what I think 16 missed the mark with- being MA (aimed at 17+ basically), it avoided a key audience that the series heavily needs to cater to right now in this time.
That's also why FFXV probably did really well, it was 15+ and encouraged newer fans- younger fans to jump in.
I mean I was that exact key demographic of 15-year-olds when I found the game LMAO
Let the series grow up with new generations. When they're around adulthood, then it's your shot to give another MA or even R rated FF a go, maybe once in a while. I just think 16 being mature came at kinda a bad time for the series. BUT I bet kids will still play it in the future once they get to know the series more.
But yes, my main source of inspo for a FF story would be indie games- given indie games and media are also surpassing mainstream media in DROVES. (Also I'm a guilty 2000's kid who grew up in the Undertale and FNAF era PFFT So that's... kinda my stance)
And my other idea, would 100% be: DEVELOP YOUR CHARACTERS TO THE BEST U CAN! I know a few recent Final Fantasy games have had those... characters you just don't like, or those characters that even you thinking up a story for them would be better than what they got.
Again turning to Undertale and deltarune- the way you can connect with the characters so much- even if they first appear to be standard archetypes, the more the story progresses, the more you LEARN about them.
That's also why when I played FF6 for the first time like, 2 weeks ago lmao, it's rised to being my 2nd fave FF, just because the majority of your party are so diverse in personalities and stories.
So overall- Story and Characters aswell as a 15+ age range that can garner new audiences and also bring back long-time fans. Figure out what the kids who DON'T play online games, like.
Maybe also look to what worked with past games- look to what you can make a spin on. I'll be honest, I really don't mind what direction the next game goes, I mean- I don't like the gameplay style much of 16 but it's still my 4th fave FF PFFT It's bloody fantastic >:3!
But these are just my views. I didn't grow up with the series- got into it late 2018 actually, but I feel just from the games I've played and what the sorta game scape now is, these are just my thoughts.
Sorry for such a long text, if anyone read this, UHH HI LMAO
And uh
To cap this off: I'd like a really good ass villain with 17 aswell, adjacent to Kefka, Kuja, Ardyn or Sephiroth :>
4:58 did i just hear Re boo tle LOL
I would welcome a be new set of eyes for the new entry.
I feel like the "these games don't meet expectations" worries are the easiest thing on the fucking planet to fix.
1. "Expectations" are vague. Just because some subhuman scum-sucking investors "expected" a game to sell 85 gorrilion copies, spawn 8 years of netflix tie-ins, and create a 20 year live-service platform which makes 4 billion a year on some stupid battlepass doesn't mean the game didn't recoup its own development costs.
2. Focus on releasing for as many platforms as you can swing, and since the new switch is going to be more powerful, launch there as well. FF16 probably would have surprised in sales if they weren't so determined on exclusivity. If Sony wants an exclusive title for their platform, let them actually pay for it instead of taking deals which only cause Square Enix pain.
Bro, you're playing with fire teasing Taro like that in the intro. XD
I do think CSU3 is again doing 17 but without Yoshi-P involvement. Ishikawa and newer hires can splinter off at it and would fulfill everything he's said. The only other group, CSU1 is too tied up with KH4 and FF7 Part 3
Just turn FFBE into the next title game. The story was amazing
I wish Rebirth had gotten the *monetary* success it deserved. It’s a masterpiece, but because its sales didn’t meet expectations, Square is looking at it like a failure. Square should be celebrating releasing a game of that caliber.
Yoko Taro jumpscare
Do NOT drop the numbers. Dropping the number is bad idea. Everyone knows it is separate titles.. the zoomers will figure it out if they like the game design
See? As time goes on, more and more of what made a ff game, a ff game is being taken away. Pretty soon the words 'final' and 'fantasy' won't be in future titles😂😂
We need more skibidi toilet and fanum tax to attract the young gen z whippersnappers
I think FF and games in general need to take a step back and focus on gameplay over visuals. Outside of FF kind of losing its identity trying new things, I also think SE having so much of an emphasis on a cinematic experience and trying to appeal to so many outside of gaming was the first step to it's decline. These games are literally just interactive visual novels at this point.
Mr asano Will make it
As long as it's not Yoshi P again I am fine with it. His final fantasy was too westernized
Look, I get it but since these things take so long to make, remember what was hot when this thing was on the drawing board? Back then Game of Thrones could do no wrong and it was considered the revival of the whole fantasy genre. Now several seasons of GoT later and a bad ending that left everyone with a sour taste in their mouth we look at it differently. But at the time on the whiteboard it must have looked like a genius move.
@@philippedaigneault366 that's the problem; Final Fantasy used to set trends not chase them. The fact that it wanted to emulate Game of Thrones is not a good thing
@@geoffreychauvin1474 Agreed, they used to be trend setters instead of trend chasers but as the price for making these things is so high now that they need to sell 5 million just to break even. That's why you hear "did not meet expectations" so much. "Expectations" have become way too high. My question is always where is all that money going? I just wish they did more smaller projects instead of always betting the house on "bigger" but more conservative projects.
Where’s the thumbnail photo from?
I’d be shocked if we get another final fantasy cause final fantasy 16 and final fantasy VII rebirth didn’t do to well.
Yoshi P said it
yoshi p is the single worst thing to happen to the final fantasy single player franchise
lol
6:22-6:48 Yo? What is this game, looks sick asf
It's a tech demo from a few years back. Too bad it never went past that (yet).
@@philippedaigneault366 Interesting, was a tech demo for a FF project? If so which one, as to me it looks very 13 inspired.
I don't mean them any disrespect, but I hope that no one from that Creative Studio 3 is involved in FF17.
Honestly I think SE's biggest mistake was the Playstation exclusive releases. When you limit the people who can play your game based on the console your sales are going to match. As for whats to come for FF17 I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. I would love to see the next game written by Ishikawa. I think that would be amazing.
They were console exclusive for almost their entirety
I’d like to see them back away from realistic graphics and fully action based combat. The Final Fantasy VII remake games are a great template but I love the 2DHD turn-based games they’ve been making.
Monolithsoft should do the next final fantasy
Nintendo own monolith soft though, why would they help square enix when they could just make their own rpg?
not with that garbage combat system, no thx
ff17 should be based on elena. i really hope they do something with her
Elena like the character from 7? That's never going to happen. It wouldn't be a numbered sequel it would be a seven spin-off
@geoffreychauvin1474 nah from ffbe. Should've said starlight elena. Elena in 7 is a side character at best. No need for her own title lol.
@@JiggsHD so you want a character from a gacha mobile game to be the main character of a mainline title? That's ridiculous
@geoffreychauvin1474 how so? She's a character with a background and already designed.
Dont put my girl on the thumbnail when the game is going down😢
Charlotte is truly best girl!
What game IS that? Pink haired girl with an eyepatch and the weird masked person. That one in the video.
It isn't. It was from a tech demo square Enix made
Is a risky move, if 17 is developed by a completely new/younger team it could end being great or the worrst (Forspoken levels of bad) FF ever..
Was forspoken a Japanese project from SE? It sure didn't seem like it even though it used the luminous engine.
Yep, the series needs new blood
Which team is working on FFIXR?
Currently we don't know "officially". There was a rumour from an infamous someone that posed as someone else that used to be a source for lots of things, that originally Xeen (Trials of Mana Remake, Romancing Saga 2 Remake) was working on it but then switched to in-house, with Creative Studio 1 taking the helm, apparently
But given the infamy of that person's identity, it's probably best to take that rumor with always a grain of salt.
I don't care that much about the team. I hope though that Hiroyuki Ito is Director again. Like he was for FF9 OG. He is the mechanical FF guy who created and evolved ATB. And all I actually want is an impoved ATB combat for this game.
@@Evidancer I pretty much had the same thoughts as well. Upon also the return of Toshiyuki Itahana returning to the helm as one of the Character Designers (Since he was for OG FF9) to assist with updated Character Designs that translate well with upgraded modern graphics, among who else handles the visuals
I'm hoping Final Fantasy 17 has an aetherpunk setting with FFVII Remake Trilogy gameplay mixed with some aspects of Kingdom Hearts gameplay. I'm still expecting a male as the main lead of the party especially since the annoyance of the girl boss era still has not faded.
FF should end at 30 cuz XXX ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ff16 was alright. Tho ff7 rebirth was big disappointment
Put Creative Unit 3 in charge of story/setting/characters/etc from now on. FF16 had one of the best stories ever from a FF game despite its linear/limited gameplay.
What game did you play? Sixteen is awful as far as originality goes
Wrong lol@@geoffreychauvin1474
It'll be a Must have when it has screen clearin abilities like Alterna in FF15, Judgement Cut End in DMC 5 or Zantetsuken lvl 5 in FFXVI.
I love em specially if you can spam it when you've spent hours build crafting
also, true RPG elements, unlike 16 that felt half assed just enough to call it an RPG
Yoshi-P(WOW fan) should go work in blizzard, and leave FF alone
this guy is biggest disasters for FF brand
Expecting comments that FF17 will be literal UBER trash without a turnbased system, line up in an orderly fashion in the comments below fellas to insult me, after all you love waiting your turns.
I feel they can do a turnbased FF, but they should not do some crazy realistic graphics that will cost hundreds of millions to make. I don't think the turnbased system will appeal to enough people to pay for a AAA budget of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Metaphor shows that turn based still works well and can be lightning fast
Metaphor, Persona, Pokémon…..
I could go on, but you already know your opinions sucks.
I think the crucial point is not about turn based system, but is all about the strategy. That’s why XV sucks (don’t know about XVI, haven’t played it). Persona and pokemon is good, but not so strategic like FF, each battle strategy is too similiar.
I stopped buying FF games when they lost their turn based. I did buy 15 but it just wasn't a final fantasy game to me. I haven't even bothered looking at 16 for the same reason.
I'm sure the games are great, though without the turn based game play it isn't something ill buy.
After FF13, FF15, FF16 and FF7R I'm actually not very interested into new Final Fantasys at all unfortuneatly. All of their general gamedesigns in the FF HD AAA era are somewhere between sloggish, boring, generic, anoying and frustrating. Not even talking about combat. More about Pacing, general Gameplay-flow, exploration, skilltree-designs, variety of landscsapes, side-content, QoL-stuff, invisible walls having forced backward walking, forced slowed walking, QTEs in Cutscenes etc etc. They need to deeply improve it or otherwise I'll say the sales will keep decrease and multiplat won't fix it on the long run. My eyes are on FF9R, DQ12, Verum Rex and the new Sakaguchi game. And of course Clair Obscur. Having said that, of course I'm still here and want them to convince me. But at this point they really have to convince me. Won't buy anything in good trust or hope anymore.
Pls not Yoshi P
we need airships, that's a must
I do not believe it's the fault of Square Enix or the series for the unmet sales expectations as Rebirth was the best one they've made yet. I just think the community is toxic and ungrateful.
I definitely think some new blood should handle 17 I agree with Yoshi-P, and with Nomura talking about retirement maybe it is time. Honestly, I would like a frontier story, a return to the found family formula, and while I think an Eastern inspired setting could be amazing, Type-1 was also supposed to be an Eastern inspired Orience, so maybe mainly Eastern elements but give it an "Old West Gold Rush" vibe to splice it with. Thinking like Meiji Restoration as the root era inspiration with a little bit of Spaghetti Western sprinkled in. Also another cheerful protag with depth, I think Zidane, Tidus, Vaan and Bartz are the best protags (my opinion). And I think it would bring a breath of fresh air to the saturation of broody MCs that occasionally smile and crack 1 joke through the whole game. Gameplay not so important, I just don't want it to be saturated in side quests, (I'll make an exemption for hunt boards bc that was a ton of fun in XII), and really as long as the systems are fleshed out and robust then I'd be perfectly content. Irdc if it's action or turn-based, that's never been important to me.
But hey, that's just my take.
This sounds great honestly
I only care that it's turn-based and moderately linear. With a good story, of course. Return Final Fantasy to FINAL FANTASY.
Those things aren't what make it ff. Better characters and writing plus experimental storytelling is what did.
@@morriganrenfield8240 And yet the fandom has been discussing Combat much more consistent and passionated than about the stories for over 20 years until this very moment.
@@morriganrenfield8240 "X isn't what made Y Y" is the stupidest meme of the last decade -_-
everything is what made FF FF. using the same battle system for 9 or 10 games depending on how you count is a defining feature by any reasonable definition.
No thanks. FF is still FF and should remain action or mixed like Rebirth.
@@morriganrenfield8240experimental storytelling has never been a thing that makes final fantasy
This is basically why Final Fantasy isn't doing well. People bring up a "name" and everyone starts to believe it's going to be amazing... and then everyone starts crying because the game isn't the same anymore. It's an annoying cycle that I see happening with FF and, to be honest, put this game in the hands of new people, but JAPANESE PEOPLE, not like Crystal Dynamics who, thank god, didn't make FFXV like Square wanted, because CD gave Square more damage than Square itself.
And for god sake, i don't wanna se an FF like FFXIV with boring sidequests or "references" like they did with XVI. I was expecting XVI could be a REALLY new thing, and they bring the fucking plot of an "advanced civilization created the humans, blablabla", let it in XIV, there is cool, here not, XIV have emet selch, not the boring dumb Ultima villain.
To be fair though: I would love to see Final Fantasy Project W becoming real, which was made by Eidos Montreal but got cancelled.
I don't care about all the nitpicky details. I don't care if the next entry has a number in it. I don't even are if the graphics are cutting-edge or basic. I just want another Final Fantasy that recaptures what made the series so fun and thought-provoking. These last couple games in 16, 7 remake/rebirth, and Origin, have made me feel like the devs and directors are pandering to a group of masses that don't actually care about the fundamental concept behind FF as a series. I don't mind a little swearing, implied sensuality, violence, and drug usage in a good JRPG, especially if it's actually relevant to a certain point, but I was disappointed with how "hand-out" the 7 Remake felt, and the characters felt far more like manifestations of modern anime tropes rather than believable and relatable characters, and 16 basically was just a blood and gore and sex and swear festival, with FF tied in. I know these are all probably hot takes, I will not waste time reading scathing remarks or even compliments, I'm just stating my opinion. I've been a fan of the series since literally it's beginning. I've seen all the games, both mainline and spin offs, I've seen the movies, the anime, read the manga, I've been in love with this franchise and everything it stood for. But when 16 came out, it was the first time I seriously considered the possibility that I wasted money and time on an FF game. And that's even considering 15, the "unfinished FF". This realization hit me like a freight train. I've been a fan of this franchise since my childhood. Its stories have helped me navigate a lot of the murkier areas of my life where mentors and authority figures failed to help me. To realize that, now, all of a sudden, this series that I had come to love so dearly and rely upon for the highest quality entertainment (and sometimes enlightenment), has begun to disappoint me the same as all the other drivel in media out there, saddened and depressed me intensely. I don't want to say it, but I have to consider seriously that maybe the time when quality entertainment was within reach is gone, and I sincerely hope that in upcoming projects the devs prove me wrong, otherwise FF will be dead to me.
I just hope whatever new team works on 17 and the series from here on out, knows and understands what the game came from, and what it's been through, and can grasp what it will take, not just to make a game that catches the interest of new generations, but sends members of the past generation down a nostalgia trip. If it veers too far off course, it's gonna be just a bunch of games with the Final Fantasy name slapped on them.
I think for the combat of Final Fantasy 17 they should go back to the base and try some new mechanics to make it more fun. And go away from the Game of Thrones ecstatic.
Clair Obscur battle system.
"go away from the Game of Thrones ecstatic" we only had one game like that lol
@@soulbrant10010 It's just that people have Game of Thrones fatigue, and a newer aesthetic with some complimentary inspirations from other fantasy franchises would be good for the next Final Fantasy game.
People desperately wanted a pure medieval FF again for years and they got it. Of course it didn't have a turn based system so apparently it was all in vain😂
@@johnmcternan4157 I'm just saying if for certain games like the next Final Fantasy game it should try going back to turn-based, but add some new features to make it more fun for old and new fans.
I don't want Nomura and his nonsensical babbling. And I want a setting like Agni's philosophy! Or the oposite like a more fairy tail like ff9
TBH FF13 was not a good entry into the series and I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to allow them to make another FF title. Granted, it's been a long time so I'm sure the team is different now. I know it might be a bit out there but if they did make another FF game I'd like them to collaborate with From Software.
Nah, I'm moving to Atlus. Persona, SMT, Metaphor Refantazio has turn-based battle system. FF without atb/turn-based is not good anymore. Bye² FF
If Clair Obscur is good and if Sandfall Interactive goes on with TB games, I might do it as well. Currently at least I have way more confidence in them than in Square. That's for sure.
Stop wasting your time here the real title of this video is " I dont have a clue who is working 17 and neither do you "
There is no value in this video at all.
Not Yoshi P.
REBIRTH had too many minigames, rebirth had the posibility to have dungeons and secreat bosses and it did not, i hope they release DLC like this with remake to correct this or release third part fast
If it's turn based it will be the biggest disappointment
Ok zoomer go back and play hack n slash FF15 and FF16.
@@jacoryarnett7347 FF15 is sandbox trash. FF16 is a masterpiece 😘
I have no faith at all in modern Square Enix. The last FF that could be deemed a masterpiece was X, the last good FF was XII, and everything else that came after varies from acceptable to trash.
Say whatever you want but you cannot deny that VII Remake did not live up to the hype, and Rebirth was not enough to bring the series up to its rightful place as the most respected RPG franchise in the Video Game industry. XVI was one of the most boring games in terms of story I have ever played, and the gameplay... well, there's literally no reason to play XVI instead DMC or Ninja Gaiden.
Also, PLEASE, stop with the "let's kill god" trope. I can't believe they went with this trash premise for XVI, it's like they don't know how to do anything but try to empower their atheistic idiocy.
I definitely think there should be new blood to make XVII. I also think the developers should prioritize the younger Gen Z and older Gen Alpha. Us millennials and the Gen Xers should not be the main target audience. Sad to say we are getting older. Some have family and other responsibilities. Personally I’m just along for the ride. I’m cool with whatever so long it’s fun. SE also should just focus on their own vision of the game. The fan base been hating every main title since I entered the series with IX. They are never going to please everyone so just make the best game they can and let the chip fall where they will.
All this love for IX still cracks me up as a fan of the game considering I remember all the bashing it used to get in the early to mid 00s. Funny enough I’m neutral on a hypothetical remake. It’s my favorite FF game but I rather see a new game.
I'm glad you aren't in charge then. What makes you think ditching a built in audience is the way to go? Final fantasy fans are not young it's a series that has been around for nearly forty years now
@@geoffreychauvin1474 Damn shame for you because that's how the other gaming companies are thinking. It's all about growth. Like I said SE should prioritize the younger generation as their main target audience. I never said ditch the older audience. Us older gamers can decide to play their future games or not but we are not the future anymore. There is no need to get emotional. This is business.
If you want to grow your audience you focus on the younger potential customers. The older generation have other responsibilities like a family and a job. Most aren't gaming as much. Some may have stop gaming altogether due to life responsibilities. Thus they aren't reliable as customers and the brand remain stagnant.
The older gen Alpha and younger gen Z have a good 1-2 decades before it's their turn to be cycle for the next generation that comes after them. While they are still young it would be in SE's best interest as a business to figure out how to appeal to them.
Outsource it, SE is washed.
I'm praying XVII will be an MMORPG, XIV is finished, it's time for the next MMO to come out. If not XVII, then XVIII
Edit: imo, it should 100% be Ishikawa behind the next FF's creation. Her writing-style is 🧑🍳 *chefs kiss*
Either that or an 11-2.
@@generaltechnomage306 something truer to XI mashed up with the QoL of XIV would be amazing
I never play FF7R despite FF being one of my favorite franchises, reason being was that the combat felt slow and unresponsive in the demo. Like I see a lot of sacrifice being made in the movement of the character(how they control) for the sake of realism. Like it's not snappy like Kingdon Hearts for example. And Alot of enemies have super armor that shoudn't have it. Like really just gonna big ass swing from Buster Sword and continue attack animation? SO imo the action gameplay wasn't that good as it should be. That's what turned me off and I'm many other too.
I was so sad with the "remakes" I got the first one couldn't play it through, didn't like it we wanted a remake.. won't buy the others. Don't care for the changes and such they should have called it FF7 reimagined. They changed the gameplay, the story, the materia and summons. Was so bad.
Oh please stop the dramatics, it's literally 95% the same except not as boring with turn based
Wouldn't even be surprised if XVII was made by CBU2
What do they do usually? Is that the octopath/bravely default team? If so, then yes please.
bring back FF1/FF3 magic tier system, open world exploration again via land, sea and sky using canoe, sea ship to airship. Find out where to go or deep lore of land from speaking to npcs of your own accord.
FF7 Rebirth does some of this, go further for FF17 going back to its roots, still full 3D, high fantasy deep RPG.
FF17 been in development for quite a while now.
Dopo questo video, abbiamo deciso che le risate erano il modo migliore per iniziare la serata. Ora abbiamo una tradizione😘