Challenging Removal, Years of Sediment from Pond
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As a retired civil engineer who did a lot of pond designs, what you need is to have what is called a sediment forebay that is installed at the inflow point of the pond. It’s essentially a small pond within the pond but it creates a spot at the upper end of the pond where the velocities can slow and the sediment will drop out without flowing out into the main part of the pond. It can make clean out and maintenance much easier.
You can get some ideas from the state DNR and you may also be able to get some guidance from the local Soil Conservation District. One of their functions is to advise farmers and other landowners on ponds and reducing erosion and sedimentation. Give them a shout and see what they can do for you.
Your suggestion of a sediment forebay is similar to one the state DNR recommended to my dad. He had a pond in farm country with lots run off from farm fields. His design was more like a series of small dammed up settling ponds before the water reach the 3 acre main pond.
yes but do you really want to involve the state into this??
Mike...You don't need to build swamp mats to work off. You could just use a bunch of logs to put in a corrugated roadway to keep the excavator afloat. Pick your worst firewood poles and cut them into 8-10 foot lengths and lay them where you want to work from. You could just leapfrog yourself in and out to anywhere you want to go... it's not fast to get where you want to go but it works.
Hello! 😊 Cleaning out a pond is always a challenge especially with a mini-excavator. It would be good to rent a larger machine for a week to get the job done. Nasty work for sure but the sediment is full of nutrients that could be useful if you have some area to stack it and let it dry out. Ponds are good for the wildlife.
Morning David, beat me by 2 seconds.... love it! Enjoy your day my friend....
Good morning David 👋👋😸
Good morning friends.
I was thinking spread it on the clearing for the re tilling and seeding
@@judycowee1034 Yes, loaded up in old Bluford and carry it over there.
Thanks Mike. Enjoy watching pond building and maintenance operations and the KX057 moving debris. This is one of the few times where you wish you had a long reach excavator!! I think your plan will come together especially if it stays a bit dry. Time to get Bluford fired up to move some dirt.
You cleaned the pond area pretty well a few years back with that rented KXO-80. Mother nature filled it back up pretty fast.
G'day Mike & the Morgans Family. I worked in hard rock mining, sand mining & logging in swampy conditions. Know a swamp dozer can do a lot. I understand you are trying to do the job yourself with the equipment you have. No rental fees, insurance, permits etc. Probably the most efficient method you could do is build yourself a road out of bog mats. Utilizing the timber you have. Bench it out. Dig the silt out of the pond. Dump the excavator bucket into a dump truck on the bog mats. Haul & dump the silt someplace where it wont wash back into the pond. Once it dries out. It will make great garden soil or top dressing soil. Full of minerals & nutrients.
That pond is great for your local environment. Sediment is terrible for waterways because there is way too much of it now days. Water leaching into the groundwater from your pond is great for the water table. You maintaining that pond like you do is super awesome.
There is so much fun, decision challenges, and satisfaction a project like this provides. Been there, done that! Exhausted at the end of the day, but soon, can't wait to start the next day as you plot your forthcoming maneuvers. I can dig it!
My thought would be to possibly build a series of swales or small basins uphill from the pond. These might slow the speed of the water and drop sediment before it gets to the pond. That might require future maintenance also, but that might be simpler than dredging the pond.
Yes, a small sediment basin cleaned annually or so might keep the pond much longer, and be much easier to reach across. Also wouldn’t need to avoid the clay liner, so the digging would be faster.
Mike - You're a BLASTER. BLAST IT OUT. Project finished.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Good Morning Morgan Family 🌞- Have a Wonderful and Blessed Day 🤠
Hi Mike. Great pond digging. We had a pond in Upstate N.Y/ White Creek, N.Y's house & 18 acres bow tie shaped property. It was 200 hundred feet from our barn. The sediments always plugged up the springs every 5 yrs. Dry summers it's bare. Wet summer about half full. Every fall it's extremely full. We NEVER had it dug out. ( We couldn't afford it.)Hi Levi! Jackery is a nice charging system. Mark Galicic & Ed Horvath/ Bus Motors Sawmill has another competitive make. They ❤ it. Thanks Mike. Say Hi to Melissa, Melissa's dad/ grandfather, Hunter, Tyler, & Hannah. 🥰🙂🙂👍❤️💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🏞
Good morning Mike. Nice to catchup with you and Melissa on your videos. I been busy with my volunteer involvement with the Central Valley Honor Flight (CVHF) #29 coming up on September 16th. This past weekend we did a event where got the 69 Veterans and their Guardians acquainted if they don’t know each other, and those who are acquainted registered, and told them of the upcoming 3 day trip to Washington DC. We gave the Veteran a Red T-Shirt red jacket, red baseball cap, and a red duffel bag for the trip with our CVHF logo, we have a Luncheon. This is my 12th time I have done this since I went as a Vietnam Era Veteran on flight #16 in 2018. Each flight requires three events: A Get2Gether Luncheon,(like I just described above) the day of the Flight, and the Welcoming Home Celebration when they return from DC three days later.
One more bit of advice. Try ditching down one side similar to the way you mentioned. If you leave a low spot down one side. The water tends to train to the low side and dry up on the ground above. That’s how I dry up swampy ground. Cut a Ditch. Allow a few weeks to start drying and then go back to finish where I couldn’t even think about getting before.
Melissa still needs her swimming pool.❤
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Got me 20 railroad ties. 15 36" pieces of 3/4" all thread with washers and nuts, and made me 5 mud mats. Used them with my KX040-4 to drive out onto my "pond" that is all sediment as well. Work really well, but your sawmill can make some legitimate mud mats.
The pond looks like a mirror, the water is so still. Beautiful.
Mike at my age of 75, when I tackle a project around the property. I think to myself.. "well this will be the last time I will do this". I wonder how many more times you will dredge the pond out! At least those left to tackle this in the long time future will have a video to watch and learn from! Have a great week. nice to have a Tuesday video. ya"lll behave now ya hear LOL
It is spelled, "y'all" . Look at the water tank in Florence, KY.
@@davidmorse8432 I guess google is a yankee ... hate word changes )))
@@sidqcampbell6892 Just messing with ya. I moved to the south and had to learn some things. I think in PA the vernacular is, "yinz".
Funny, I just had steel put on my roof and thought " Well I'll never have to worry about reroofing again"
Never a dull moment Mike. The homestead keeps everyone busy. That area down in the valley's before the pond gets a huge accumulation of water and of course that sediment. It looks like the work will improve the drainage and flow. Just keep at it :) Have a great day
Dig it with your skid steer. Start on the hard bottom and dig under the mud on the hard pan. I used to dig silt ponds in a sand and gravel operation with loaders all the time. It's the same idea as the old pond diggers dug ponds out of peat bogs with dozens. They rarely were dry.
@@trulysurprised-bk7cy I thought the same thing. Go in on the upstream side and follow the hard bottom, carry the sediment up to one of the side banks for drying.
Mike you might try putting some shallow water bars in or, breakers as we call them in logging, on your trails. It’s a great way to slow the water down so it can’t build up speed and erode your soil as fast or in your case put sediment in the pond.
You are a smart guy so you probably already thought of that. 🙂 God bless 👍🏻
Good advice here. 👍
I keep track of everything (medical, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, equipment maintenance, saws, tools……) with Word Documents on my iPad. I write down when I bought things, when I change replaceable items, the various part numbers for each item and even when an item breaks and what caused the item to break. This makes servicing everything so much easier because I usually have all the info I need to order the parts at hand. Plus if something ever happens to me, my wife will have access to all of this information.
To much trouble for this really old fart that did not grow up with the computer age.
I'm like you. I use excel for tracking almost everything. But then I've always said, "I don't remember anything I can look up."
Good morning Morgans and friends. Going to be another hot one today. Looking forward to cooler Temps again. Mike it be nice if you could add rip raft to separate sediment/water, maybe make the sediment area larger? If you could borrow a few large tractor tires or similar to get out farther?
Have a great day.
Morning from Flat Top! Always look forward to seeing the Morgan's. Hi, Hunter!
Every time is ask myself "what is the worst that can happen", the universe shows me!
Just got back from a little camp trip up in the mountains so I'm catching up on your videos this evening. Looks like you've got plenty of feedback on the pond, so I'll comment on the 3D printer. I hemmed and hawed about getting one for years, wondering if I'd ever use it enough to justify the purchase. OMG, I can't believe how I ever lived without one. I don't think I shut it off for the first 90 days. 🤣 It's fun to learn and invent things on Fusion 360 as well. I think every tool I own now has its own custom built wall hanging mount or box. It's good to be retired.👍
Good morning y'all !!! Have a great day, and hello from British Columbia.
RENTA A LONGREACH TO HANDLE THIS MUD IN SHORTER TIME
When we lived in Southern Illinois, several city lakes, they had settling ponds and would be able to clean out the settlement every couple years. They would give the waste to farmers in the area to spread on their fields. It was a very successful and is still working, in one case, it has been twenty years and still going well.
Yeah! Glad you listen to us viewers. We love watching you and how well you work with your equipment. You handle your machine as if it an extension of your arm and hand. Love watching you channel. Keep up the great work.
Great strategy for a systematic approach. Always enjoy watching your projects 👍👍👍.
Mike you need a long stick excavator to clean out the sediment.
Morning Mike, hope you have a great Tuesday...
Pete 🇨🇦
Good morning Pete 😸
@@badcat4707Morning BadCat, loving this weather, although lots of grass to cut.... enjoy your Tuesday....
Hi Pete, Still hot and dry here. Might get some rain later this week. Have a great day! 👍
Good morning
Mike, I see a lot of organic material that someone would love for a garden!
That sure looks like a mega project you are dealing with. I can only hope you can accomplish your task and bless you with the outcome.
If you only had a drag-line Mike??? 😳🤭🤣
I was really excited to see the 3D printer. I have been interested in those for a long time. I would like to learn more about how all of that works and what to look for when buying one. I will be very interested to see any upcoming videos where you show us how to use it and what kind of things you make with it. Thanks Mike.
Concerning your ceramic coating of the Yukon, that is not a set it and forget deal.
Avoid car washes that use brushes and use a ceramic topper starting in about 3-4 months.
Turtle Wax makes a good one.
Mike, hunter makes my day with his smile and his actions....😊😊😊😊
Hello Mike , I wrote a comment yesterday about being very interested in the bundle you featured, well update , this morning after conferring with my son , I pulled the trigger on the deal ! We are looking forward to the new equipment.
GOOOOOOOOD MORNING & YIPPIE !!! A TUESDAY MORNING VIDEO!!! WHOO HOO!!….lol 😂…Mike, glad to see yinz have made time to rescue the pond…. Lots of work with everything you have going on….thanks for always sharing… stay safe
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Catch y’all on the next one
Have a day
HELLOOOO Hunter 😊
Hi Jack!
@@davidmorse8432 HOWDY DAVE!!!! How’s life treating you?
@@Shippusher Life is good, thanks for asking. I am thankful for every day. How about yourself?
Hiya Jack! In Flagstaff today. Working our way east around the south rim today.
@@johnsadler8637 just left there three weeks ago
Stay safe & cool 😎
Sure is hot 🥵 out there this time of year
Two words: CORDUROY ROAD. As a Civil War buff, you may remember how the Union Army crossed swamps by building corduroy roads so they could drag their wooden wheeled artillery by horses. If you could find some trash logs that you are going to burn anyway, you could lay them down perpendicular to the tracks and walk out on that soft stuff. I think milling swamp mats is the ultimate solution as you say, but logs would be quicker.
You beat me to it!
Log “mats” work well, even wit the tops still attached.
Another nice thing about having that pond in one video you watered your grass with that water from the pond👍
Good Morganing! Have a day!
Morning Mike, greetings to Missy and the family . How's Hunter doing ? Tell him Chicago says howdy
Mike, it probably was built in the 50s. There were government subsidies for ponds during that time so a lot of people took advantage of the program. My grandpa had one dug on his homestead in CT during that time. We had a blast swimming and fishing in it growing up.
Mike, it would be great if you could make the pond bigger, it takes time to make it bigger. 😊😊😊
All the more room to capture the silt.
Oh oh. Mike's working on the pond. Heavy rains coming.
Mike, you do such cool stuff on your channel. But, I think the excavator stuff is my favorite. It’s like having your own sandbox! Have a great week!
Good morning
Mike, that looks like a fun but challenging project getting rid of all the sediment. Man that excavator is one nice machine, so smooth. Have a day. Jay from Pa.
Pla works really well for newbies on the printer. But it doesn't do well in the sun or heat that you would get in a car in the sun. Some other plastics absorb moisture, and you will need a drier box to print better. Thingyverse has aa lotof free files you can use to print. But their are a lot of useless files. It's fun to play with. I've printed vacuum fitting for my dust collector and shopvac.
Proverbial work in progress Mike!!
1 bite at a time!!
Hi Mike,
I think you should build some mats as time allows for future dredging. Probably five 6X6's about 8 to 10 ft long and anchored together with 3 foot X 1" all thread with nuts and washers as required. Three mats should be enough to allow reaching to the far side. You could park them at the lower yard until needed. You and the family stay safe.
Need a clamshell from Diesel creek
You said that there are always comments about the pond. Could I ask when your going to dig out and build your wife a swimming pool? That seems to have been left on the back burner for how long. Nice excavator, Ideal for digging swimming pools🤣🤣....
Mike your swamp, wet land living, biggest fan in AK! Simple Mike... plywood is all you need... could toss 2x6 under it. But you don't need to.... water can come up over your tracks... First dig a ditch to keep the h2o on the far side... Work your way away from your liquid.... The pond is worth some time and great views I'd bet... My face is more for radio or I'd volunteer to help.... 😅😅😅
Very nice , looking good already !!!!!! 😊🙏👍❤
Bench & one side at a time. Golf course ponds 50 yrs ago we'd go upstream from pond & insert mini sediment control pools. Might be too much work depending on upstream banks' contours. Best of luck. TFS
That was a good start on the pond clean out. If its possible lower the water level in the pond that will help dry out the slit. Also get some logs or cross ties to spread out the machines weight. Keep baling it back to the stock pile.
Nice work on the pond so far Mike
Mike, John Conwell has the fix. Down south, we have terrible erosion to our ponds. We call them sediment ponds built at base of shallow end. Be sure you can manage it with your excavator. Put the bottom of culvert pipe at level you want pond to be. Behind dam on shallow end, dig it 6,8,or 10 foot deep. This catches sediment and clean water goes into pond. Works for us good.
That sediment is full of nutrients. If you could somehow spread that out up at the clearing, boy would stuff grow like crazy.
Thanks for sharing the 'Therapy'...I'm 77 and I will take any therapy. any way, I can get it. Good stuff.
Hey Mike Morgan. I know you and D.Arms are acquaintances & are tackling similar projects? Love watching both?
Hey Mike, enjoy your show ...as for the pond clean out wait for cold weather it won't be so muddy
Mike if you pump the pond down that will let what water in your sediment to drain out and dry out!, but how ever you do it you need to dig a silt trap where it infiltrates your pond so you can dip it out when needed. You need a path on both sides or take it down to hard pan so you can crawl out there and reach everything or drain the pond and completely re do it!. I'm sure you will figure it out.
Mike you have the nicest Toys !
Could try beg, borrow, steal or rent a Ventrac with 8 tires & trencher and slice drain trenches. Caution! You'll want one, especially now that you're a fan of out-front implements. TFS
What a job that pond is to keep up with.
You are definitely a very smooth machine operator ! Would have been nice if you could have had your dump trailer or a dump truck to load into n haul that dirt off where you need some !! Great video !!! 👏👏
Need a long stick Excavator rental for a couple days!!
Keep Smiling On!!
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Good morning Mike. IAs always, I enjoyed our visit. There for a minute I thought I was watching Chris on Digit18 cleaning up a customers pond. Good Job Buddy. Greeting from the Old Jarhead in WNC
Kentucky author Jesse Stuart wrote about some of the conservation methods of his father who farmed on hills. He'd save the tops of trees he milled. Then he'd put them in any ruts starting from runoff, with the leaves and limbs pointed uphill to baffle water. If you install some silt areas along your trail in easy to reach spots, you can clean out sediment before it clogs your stream bed. Good luck!
Hi Mike, just an idea. What if you built a road across the now sediment laden area. Create literally a upper sediment pond that you could muck out while sitting on the new road. Have a spillway and an overflow pipe like lower pond. Road could allow easier access to upper and lower ponds and future access for maintenance and recreation purposes.
New upper pond could be mucked out more often and reachable. Hey just an idea. Good luck with your project.
Mike you need to build yourself some swamp Mats made out of wood like the swamp loggers use. You have plenty of ruff lumber just make sure to leave the clay in the ground don't dig it out, but I know you already know that👍
Cool video. It was really fun watching you change the shape of that area. :)
You're doing a fine job on the pond dredging. It may be well enough within a few videos to leave it for another few years.
That sediment would be good to spread on the food plot. It should be full of organic matter
If it were me, the first thing I would have done was to put together a siphon system to drain most of the water from the pond. That would allow the sediment to also drain and dry up. I’m thinking a 4 inch plastic pipe with a U trap on both ends. The outflow side I would have a screw cap to hold the water once you get it filled so that after it is in place, unscrew the cap and let the water flow. Just my thinking. I love working with ponds.
A few thoughts about the pond, and first the Japanese Stilt Grass. Behind my house, and I live in a residential neighborhood I had some ivy growing from the rear property line up into an edge of the lawn. I had brick lined it many years ago so it wasn't invasive into the lawn. I wanted more lawn, so I weed whacked it down, and decided the fall was the time for me to make the major change. Well over the summer, nature took its course and it looks beautiful. The bushes became a backdrop to ivy and other natural growing things creating a beautiful landscape. What does this have to do with your Japanese stiltgrass? Namely this. You have the solution at your fingertips. Let the Stiltgrass grow. The deer don't eat it. It still thrives even during a drought so you don't have to water it. It looks great when you mow it, and it's free.
Now onto the pond. I know that LetsDig18 uses those large planks and even rescued a trapped excavator in sloppy pond silt using them. Do you know someone who has built them already that you could rent or borrow. I think you have it solved already figuring on digging down but I understand you don't want to go down below the clay because you need that clay base to support the water. Those large planks seem to be the answer. I forget the terminology of what he called the large planks, and I am sure in your experience you know exactly what they are called. Anyhow, I just love this channel. It is my go-to first thing in the morning, and so I thought I would drop a few thoughts.
Hello Mike, out here in west Texas we sometimes build a small silt pond up stream from the big pond that catches all the silt and lets clean water over its spillway into the main pond.
Wooden mats would be very helpful to dredge out the sediment. The mats would support the excavator out there. You could mill up a bunch of 6x6's with 4 of them bolted together to one mat. You'd need 4 or 5 mats so you can move them and still remain on several of the mats.
Just an idea. Install a rock dam(s) upstream of the pond inlet. Storm water would be slowed down and sediment would be deposited above the rick dsm(s). Your periodic silt removal would be at the rock dam(s) instead of in the pond.
Mike, if there were a road next to the creek feeding the pond (above the flood height). Then there would be a solid area where you can sit within the excavator and maintain the pond/stream!
As a Professional Gold Rush TV Show viewer - to dewater their cuts, they dig a ditch around the outside at a lower elevation. The water then runs into those ditches and dries out the land. I would dig a ditch along one side, let it sit a few days, and then the sediment area should dry out a lot. I don't think the side really matters...but I am an armchair excavator operator who watches RUclips, so take it with a big grain of salt.
Mike, You've got all kinds of logs Yet some 12 to 14 even 16 inch And cut them so they stick out from the wheelbase at least 4 feet out each side so say you're with the 6 feet Add 4 feet to each side would be 14 feet. Drag them down to where you're working you've got a phone on there and stick them in the soft areand you can get at least depending upon how soft it is you can get out at least another 4 feet Farther than you can reach Out into the pond . You might have to change to a smaller bucket All backos that will handle a 36 inch bucket a 36 inch bucket does not hold more than a 30 inch you're 30 inch is your maximum Capacity of that type of backhole You might have to go to a 2 if it gets too soft
Keep those logs close-at-hand They might come invaluable if you get I won't say stuck with the machine too deep in the mud to get Get out it out
You could use some of your fallen trees, laid as a platform, to support your excavator in the pond area. Best wishes.
i agree with john - lot of people around here in southern indiana have sediment ponds in front of their main ponds - keeps them clean and smaller catchment easier to clean out
You need to get up to the beginning of the pond and put in a good bench for your machine. Next dig out an upper pond, then build a dam. A “wood dam” might interest you. This upper pond will collect all the sediment and you will have an established bench to work from to pull out collected sediment. The lower dam can then be reshaped when time permits.
Look into Sediment Dams upstream of the pond to see slow down the Sediment getting into the pond.
Not completely sure what you're doing, but it does look like big fun. Good vid.
Easy Digging! Looks like you need a forebay to trap the sediment before it gets into the pond. Makes it easier to clean it out periodically.
Mike it looks like you’ve got it all figured out and taking care of it. A bigger excavator with a long reach would be great, but you’ll get it. I’m confident of that. Great video 👍❤️
Mike, a lot of things take time but before you know you’re going to get it done ✅👍😮😊❤
It would be nice to haul all that silt up to the clearing, I bet that would grow a nice food plot. Does blueford still run? That’s a good job for him. Take care
Morning I thought u were already retired.......you will never retire..maybe that's a good thing.😊
It is a good thing. Retirement is the kiss of death.
Hey Mike !
Love your channel.
Suggestion, instead of building mats. Why not use your firewood poles at the clearing? Old fashioned corduroy road.
A settling pond might help in the future. Let all the sediment settle before the pond.
After you clean it out, position logs cross wise along that gully. It'll slow down the water, and drop the sediment before it reaches your pond.
Agree, cleaning out a pond is always a chore. Try to understand the localized water level is directly influenced by the water level in the rest of the pond. Pump the water level as low as possible without killing all your fish so the water held by the soil where you are working has a place to drain