Honestly though, being very humble in my response because I don’t know. When is the point that you say to much working out hurts your knees, or wearing knee braces weakens them and not let them build to the full potential? I know this is apples to oranges, but the analogy I have is line men on football teams. Big boys, hard on the knees. LSU used to require them to wear knee braces all the time on their lineman. I don’t know if they still do or not. But some teams do and others don’t. I think it’s to the point now where it’s up to player. But, same thing, your working out trying to strengthen something so it won’t happen, then you create an issue by over training it… tear, blown out whatever… But, if you wear knee braces the entire time, working out, playing, riding, are you helping it or using it as a crutch? Not trying to be difficult, seriously asking. Should they be worn at all times during workout and riding? Or just when your riding? Or just when you workout? Or, should you go easier or your workouts on those parts of your body? Swim for cardio rather run and cycle? Then wear a brace when you ride? I know it seems that I’m over thinking it, but the way these guys train is insane with riding and working out. The impact and stress will always be there we know, but what is the better way to achieve better results and have your body perform at peak?
Unless the brace is completely welded to leg, the chances of injury will always be there. The brace or pad are only sitting on the surface of your body, your joints are still moving, your can put whatever fancy material you want on your leg , the force generated by a motocross engine will tear it apart anyways. Injuries will always be apart of any sport.
Knee braces help prevent hyper extension of the knee and they don’t stop the knee from twisting which is what causes ligament tears most of the time. To help prevent this you have to train your knees according to protocols such as the kneesovertoes guy. However the forces of moto are so great that the knee is gonna blow out regardless if the mistake is severe enough. I don’t use knee braces because the cost/comfort.
I never wore knee braces until I had both my knees completely reconstructed non dirt bike related injuries but I honestly feel that the braces have saved my knees more time’s than i can count but I wear cti knee braces dirt biking and only pads doing anything else
I've had CTI-2s in the past and also used Asterisk, I have never had a knee injury and that's good because I've always been on the fatter side. Fat guys with blown out knees aren't cut out for this world lol. What I have had issues with is ankles/legs, I've broken my tibia and my ankle before on the left side, it has 4 screws in it as I type this. But I got effectively T-boned by a dude who botched a block pass in a bowl corner one time, I was super pissed at him about that lol. Only time I've ever gotten hurt in moto is getting caught up in other people's mess.
I’ve followed this subject for a while now. People like Ryno and others in the sport are great but nobody ever brings in actual experts in the medical field to discuss the topic. It’s like the I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night type of discussion. I have the POD knee braces and TP199 knee pads.
Tried braces. Put my knee in a bind, couldn't feel the bike. Didn't like it. I use a Guts Winged Seat(Godsend) and knee pads. Vet rider. Thanks for taking on JH. Love that guy!
I’ve used the EVS SX01 for 10+ years now. It’s a nice hybrid between both of these guys views. They’re a nice mixture of the tp199 knee sleeve with a thin support brace down the side woven in the soft padding material. My doctor actually told me not to get knee braces until I have knee problems. I feel like the extra thickness from the leg support actually gives me more control over the bike but how thin the material is all around gives me a more 1 to 1 contact feel with the bike.
I was just researching braces/guards. Those look awful similar to some 661 brace/guard hybrids I wore back in 2007-2008. metal support railing on the sides, hard cap protecting knee, but soft on the femur and shin so it does support and slow impact but wont snap your shit off either
@@liquidcode1704 so crazy story is I used to be 661 rider back in the day myself before they went under. We were gonna get their version of them but when 661 went under we switch to EVS and the SX01
100% agree with the pads being a better feeling/connection with the bike, braces felt vague and had to squeeze tight enough. I had used braces, and still had a knee injury requiring surgery. So ditched the braces for EVS TP199, these are much better, I actually get less tired/arm pump riding now as my legs do more work.
I just picked up a pair of Slayco EVS knee pads which are a updated version of TP199's. I love them and they feel better than my TP199's, however I do question what is a better option to get either knee braces or knee guards.
Interesting subject! I was a motorcycle and car road racer. In the 70's and 80's, the bike sanctioning bodies rarely had neck injuries, but the athletes were (mostly) strengthening what ailed them. For me...even a sprint race hurt my long-ish neck, so I did many exercises. (Nearly never even hit my helmet on the ground) In my endurance racing days, I could outlast near anyone. The ACL dilemma, is a tough one. Bigger quads do not help. Better diet/supplements that assists ligament development/recovery is the best answer. The braces? Cannot see how that helps much.
I was discussing this with a friend and agree. Most weekend warriors don't train their knees or train their body in general and eat a diet of pizza and beer. I think the diet part is overlooked, most people wouldn't think.
Had ligament surgery on both my knees from dirt bike accidents before I was 22 have worn knee braces ever since, I'm now 47 and have not had knee injuries since, to me besides my helmet they are the next most important part of my riding gear!
I just had a knee injury recently and bought knee braces then did one moto took them off and haven’t worn them since. For some reason the braces really took away a lot of hip mobility for me as well as just being super hot in the summer. I have mobius braces
I've always worn knee pads with 2 knee reconstructions (right) and 4 orthoscopic surgeries (left). I started wearing braces a couple years ago and I won't go back to knee pads.
I'm new to offroad riding. Don't intend to race motocross, supercross or enduro. I just like riding trails and maybe some fast rally type sections. Do I need a brace or knee guards are enough?
Hi love the content, find it really helpful. Any advice on which body armour to wear? Full top or just vest etc. how are you finding the new knee pads?
I do a blue collar job and My pod knee braces where the difference between me having to stop riding. I could barely walk come Monday morning after a weekend of riding. But started wearing knee braces it was like I didn’t even ride that weekend. I think it person to person. I feel way more locked into the bike too now.
@@GYPSYTALESis there anywhere we can get these in the u.k.? Have you tried the EVS Hex Pro’s, trying to find an alternative if I can’t get the Slayco’s…. Thanks!
I can only speak from my own personal experience. Ive only ever worn knee guards racing and recreational riding offoad. Iv'e had to experience the hard way how a Raptor peg feels buried in your shin and hitting trees with my knee cap. The brace can help with a prevoius knee injury keeping everything stay tight, but will limit movement and take the load off the the nearby muscle at ths point the focus becomes maintaing stability and strength the knee is forever compromised at this point. Now endurance training and strength training has helped me avoid many crashes from happening in the first place prevention is a great tool as well. NOW accidents DO happen and its a risk we all take riding how far one wants to take it is up to that individual to decide whats best for them.
I had Asterisk braces.. I sold them because I could not feel the bike, just the hinge was touching like they talked about. I hated it. I have Mobius now and they feel just like my Leatt knee pads, which I loved. I don't think I ride any different. Yes, you can injure your knees with or without knee braces but you can't tell when they saved you either.
I think like you guys said, it is very psychological. I wore knee braces and a neck brace, both because of the fact that everybody I know says it is the best thing to do to be safe. I rode then once without a neck brace and I never put it on again, and I also feel like when the bike kicks you, the neck brace pulls you kinda in the direction the bike kicked you, without one I kinda feel you can balance it out more. Same with knee braces, the only thing is that I haven´t ridden without them, but I think I´ll try.
I was 12 years old the first time I smashed my knee into a tree. That was in 1975-6. I wish I was wearing something. Knew braces didn’t exist back then neither did surgery to fix torn tendons and ligaments. As a soccer player I used to run 20 miles during a game. As a cross country runner champion in high school my knees were amazing. I never had knee problems until I stopped running 3-10 miles a day. Riding Moto and enduro now at 57 I won’t get on my bike without having some kind of knee protection. I rode mountain bikes and downhill like I did 20 years ago. Can’t wear knee braces riding a bicycle. The mountain bike has always been my canary in the coal mine. If I can’t ride my mountain bike I have no business being on my motorcycle. The reality is this. If I get hurt riding in my back yard on the enduro track and can’t ride my bicycle I’m done. I use the two sports together. Without the mountain biking I could not ride motocross or enduro. When I was a kid riding BMX all those years of playing soccer made me that rider I was. I have knee braces but they are medical ones. They are used for recovery. I wear knee guards these days for protection against trees, rocks and foot pegs. Knee injuries are the worst. If you can’t walk you can’t work. If you can’t work you can’t pay bills.
Very debatable, however there are facts you can use to conclude an opinion for yourself 1. A brace limits mobility which can help not tear your ligaments 2. Limited mobility can infact interfere with natural motion which can cause the fall in the first place, thats why some pros arent wearing them, which is a good point 3. Stretching your knees daily helps prevent tears as you increase natural mobility 4. Braces prevent impact injurys (bike falls on your knee" example To me, doing enduro races i will always choose a knee brace On motocross i still like my knee braces but i can see why some dont
Getting over an ACL MCL LCL tear, both meniscus torn, and tibial plateau crack while wearing the TP199 EVS pads. Never had an injury like that before, so I’m not sure what would have happened if I had knee braces on. I’m looking into knee braces though. Knee braces are easier to blame because so many people in moto wear them. There is no right answer.
If you stick your leg out, making contact with the ground, that’s going to PULL or TWIST your joints, tendons and ligaments. Add to that the pulling force of a 4 stroke race engine. With that in mind, if you think a pad or a brace are going to completely prevent the damage, then you are wrong. Our body is to soft to support the physics involved in hard crash.
Reminds me of the Neck brace issues where let's say 25% of the riders wore neck braces (in reality it's lower) yet accounted for 45-48% of neck-related injuries and still accounted for 25% of neck-related deaths. I wonder what the stats are for knee braces in regard to knee injuries? If only 10% wear knee braces and they account for 30% of knee injuries then you would know to stay away from knee braces.
coming from a guy that has blown his acl over 20 times in my life .knee braces might help and might not. but if you have acl damage knee braces will help keep you stable. i used to wrap my knee tight in ace before i rode abd i would fell my knee blow out and right before its all the way out the ace badge would spring it back into place. and i would not tear anything in my knee .so they work some if you already have weak joints or had your knee blow out before get knee brace if not dont think it matters
Riding Enduro in hot countries Braces are great for about a hour then you sweat buckets and your legs get smaller and the braces become loose so the protection becomes less affective, knee guards might be just as good.
Ryno's advise is very controversial but I've taken it to heart having nothing to stiffen up my body and I don't crash even after being off the bike for 10+ years. I always used to crash. Now to be far I have a brand new bike with nice suspension vs a clapped out 125 while weighing 150 lbs but I digress
I tore my left ACL playing soccer (no brace) and tore my right ACL recently literally stepping off my dirt bike wearing Asterisk knee braces ($800). I wear them mostly to protect my bone from hitting the rocks or bike falling on my knees cause i know nothing will safe your ACL unfortunately.
Your halfway right. Wearing knee pads vs knee braces is like fucking without a condom but you forgot the part where the girl has 3 STDs. (ACL, MCL, Meniscus)
@@bloomerb4162 you can go to a country where health care is pennies on the dollar get an acl replacement and 6 months of daily rehab, hgh and a personal chef for 40k dollars lmao I've certainly got the money to do the same thing lmao
Anyone publicly denouncing safety gear of any kind is due for some serious karma coming their way IMO. Just look at Ryan Hughes banging on about neck braces …and then he broke his neck! This is a dangerous sport and people should feel free to wear or not wear whatever the hell they want
I just broke my femur 3 months ago wearing the EVS sx2. would I not broke my femur if I didn't have them on?? Or Maybe i would of blown my kneecap out instead??🤔 just saying🤷
@@sthefanv7298 I agree for sure. My question is the title of the video references pads, but the whole video they are talking about braces. In my opinion braces and knee pads are 2 different things.
From growing up riding and racing DH mtn bikes, I learned to ride motos without squeezing the frame with my legs, and let the bike float underneath me. When I've tried to practice squeezing is the only time I experience knee pain. Enough so that I decided its not beneficial to me. Not saying squeezing the bike isn't beneficial at that level, but quite possible that squeezing and side loading your knee along with simultaneous downward pressure is a major contributor to knee problems?
They just have to keep working on better design rather than throw caution to the wind. The people that have money to throw at this shit need to keep going to work, raise families, and wipe assholes.
Knee brace is prevention. Been riding for 20 years before I did my knee and it was a freak accident not even an incident at the track. I could have hurt my knee the same way walking. No reason to wear a brace until you’ve done your acl. That’s when you go to a brace. Otherwise your giving away mobility and strength by relying on a brace to support your leg rather than training your knees to be strong. Definitely you lose grip on the bike with knee braces comparatively. There’s tons of cons to a brace and only a few pros. Wait til you need one. Wear good knee pads with an internal knee support system and get after it. Knee injuries happen in our sport. Regardless of a brace. It’s not the same as a helmet.
Sports research has shown knee braces DO NOT protect against ACL injuries, and only marginally protect against MCL injuries. Though the majority of this research was conducted in other fields, such as football, the mechanics of an ACL tear are the same. Additionally, from a biomechanics perspective, if you are not tall enough such that your knee braces rest ABOVE the seat, then your stance will be widened and you will absolutely be giving up leverage on the motorcycle.
4yrs ago I overshot massive jump and broke bones just below knee and ripped aswell as torn every ligament in knee. Had 3 surgeries and still can't feel or straighten leg. I'm now wearing Mobius kneebraces otherwise wouldn't be able to ride. It doesn't really matter what you wear as if knee is going to break, sport is that dangerous you will. I have been A KO about 5× and now have epilepsy because of it. Avagud1
I’m alive today because I had knee braces on I tore my mcl the surgeon told me I missed tearing my main artery in my leg I guess it wasn’t my time to go
alot more likely to die from a femur break due to the femural artery being right there and the sharp bone can puncture it. having said that, i broke my femur from a crash without wearing braces. all in all i think i would prefer to snap an acl
Broke my femur due to my knee brace, never wore them again only wear guards now, I also have the Slayco guards and they are phenomenal compared to other competitors they have an internal soft brace that gives good support. The hard braces just have to many breaking points, to each there own tho.
Knee Brace Delete.. Got to hand it to ya,, every once in a while you get one in Jase. Fucking without a condom! Grand Slam Donezo. Perfect explanation! Classic brah🤙
I'm completely neutral on this, if braces are your choice then cool, go for it. Everyones body is different. I've been riding and racing for 35 years, never worn braces and never had a knee ligament injury, also I've been a skateboarder for the same amout of time. If you want to wear braces for prevention then do so, if you're confident in the strength of your joints and don't feel you need them then don't wear them. Personal choice. What i don't like is people telling me i need "this product" To protect me and if i don't buy into it like everyone else, I'm the idiot? I will decide what my body needs based on common sense and knowing my own limitations.
From my standpoint, it seems that knee injuries has increased since these ''full leg'' knee braces came onto the market. Atleast some sorts of knee injuries. ''Back in the day'', people destroyed their knees, but slowly over a long time. Sure people injured them aswell, im not stupid. But not as much on PRO level as we see today. On the other side, just to be my own ''devils advocate'' here. Their backs got destroyed more. So the comment from Johnny about ''them standing up more'' might have something to do with it ofc. Occams razor would certainly suggest that.
I think it a leg mass and size thig then but more like a boddy builder doing moto but the knee brace definitely don't limit my movements due to it not on my bone but on flexible muscle boddy and i can get more leverage on the bike due to the knee brace being a large contact area so maby it more if you have a low amount of muscle mass they less protective but for me i still end up with bruise on the knee frome gripping and thats with a larger surface area to contact so there not much way this happening this knee pads but again just more muscle more room for bones to move in different ways to brace so now it more of a mechanical advantage should bring it up but the small size rider of the 2t days are out so may start being a better topic soon size not just product Like suspension setup
Great. Let's not wear a helmet next because someone else broke his collarbone. Besides, a helmet isn't a guarantee you will live....dude you have a large enough audience. Respect the gravity of your opinion please. Share your opinion, don't force it on others
Fantastic Conversion !!!!!!!!! But I do agree with Johnny, it's nice to have more to grip, but riders do piss and moan about bike widths. So Knee pads with extra padding on the inside of the Knee ??
I’ve tore my ACL wearing knee braces and knee pads. Nothing is going to stop the twisting of the leg.
Impacts aren't the problem with knee injuries our sport, generally speaking, its ligiments tearing. A brace helps prevent this. A pad doesn't.
Exactly my point. It’s a protective pad not a joint protection brace. Even the expensive ones.
@@Familytube90but but but Johnny hopper and ryno told me that all the doctors and kinesiologists don't know anything about how ligaments work
Honestly though, being very humble in my response because I don’t know. When is the point that you say to much working out hurts your knees, or wearing knee braces weakens them and not let them build to the full potential?
I know this is apples to oranges, but the analogy I have is line men on football teams. Big boys, hard on the knees. LSU used to require them to wear knee braces all the time on their lineman. I don’t know if they still do or not. But some teams do and others don’t. I think it’s to the point now where it’s up to player.
But, same thing, your working out trying to strengthen something so it won’t happen, then you create an issue by over training it… tear, blown out whatever…
But, if you wear knee braces the entire time, working out, playing, riding, are you helping it or using it as a crutch?
Not trying to be difficult, seriously asking. Should they be worn at all times during workout and riding? Or just when your riding? Or just when you workout?
Or, should you go easier or your workouts on those parts of your body? Swim for cardio rather run and cycle? Then wear a brace when you ride?
I know it seems that I’m over thinking it, but the way these guys train is insane with riding and working out. The impact and stress will always be there we know, but what is the better way to achieve better results and have your body perform at peak?
Unless the brace is completely welded to leg, the chances of injury will always be there. The brace or pad are only sitting on the surface of your body, your joints are still moving, your can put whatever fancy material you want on your leg , the force generated by a motocross engine will tear it apart anyways. Injuries will always be apart of any sport.
@@richardferrell4362 makes sense lol
Huge fan of both of y'all, stoked you guys sat down again.
Knee braces help prevent hyper extension of the knee and they don’t stop the knee from twisting which is what causes ligament tears most of the time. To help prevent this you have to train your knees according to protocols such as the kneesovertoes guy. However the forces of moto are so great that the knee is gonna blow out regardless if the mistake is severe enough. I don’t use knee braces because the cost/comfort.
The kneesovertoes guy puts out great content
I never wore knee braces until I had both my knees completely reconstructed non dirt bike related injuries but I honestly feel that the braces have saved my knees more time’s than i can count but I wear cti knee braces dirt biking and only pads doing anything else
I've had CTI-2s in the past and also used Asterisk, I have never had a knee injury and that's good because I've always been on the fatter side. Fat guys with blown out knees aren't cut out for this world lol. What I have had issues with is ankles/legs, I've broken my tibia and my ankle before on the left side, it has 4 screws in it as I type this. But I got effectively T-boned by a dude who botched a block pass in a bowl corner one time, I was super pissed at him about that lol. Only time I've ever gotten hurt in moto is getting caught up in other people's mess.
I’ve followed this subject for a while now. People like Ryno and others in the sport are great but nobody ever brings in actual experts in the medical field to discuss the topic. It’s like the I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night type of discussion. I have the POD knee braces and TP199 knee pads.
Tried braces. Put my knee in a bind, couldn't feel the bike. Didn't like it. I use a Guts Winged Seat(Godsend) and knee pads. Vet rider. Thanks for taking on JH. Love that guy!
I’ve used the EVS SX01 for 10+ years now. It’s a nice hybrid between both of these guys views. They’re a nice mixture of the tp199 knee sleeve with a thin support brace down the side woven in the soft padding material. My doctor actually told me not to get knee braces until I have knee problems. I feel like the extra thickness from the leg support actually gives me more control over the bike but how thin the material is all around gives me a more 1 to 1 contact feel with the bike.
Use them also!
I was just researching braces/guards. Those look awful similar to some 661 brace/guard hybrids I wore back in 2007-2008. metal support railing on the sides, hard cap protecting knee, but soft on the femur and shin so it does support and slow impact but wont snap your shit off either
@@liquidcode1704 so crazy story is I used to be 661 rider back in the day myself before they went under. We were gonna get their version of them but when 661 went under we switch to EVS and the SX01
Oh damn, gotta catch the full pod with the two of you
100% agree with the pads being a better feeling/connection with the bike, braces felt vague and had to squeeze tight enough. I had used braces, and still had a knee injury requiring surgery. So ditched the braces for EVS TP199, these are much better, I actually get less tired/arm pump riding now as my legs do more work.
I just picked up a pair of Slayco EVS knee pads which are a updated version of TP199's. I love them and they feel better than my TP199's, however I do question what is a better option to get either knee braces or knee guards.
Interesting subject! I was a motorcycle and car road racer. In the 70's and 80's, the bike sanctioning bodies rarely had neck injuries, but the athletes were (mostly) strengthening what ailed them. For me...even a sprint race hurt my long-ish neck, so I did many exercises. (Nearly never even hit my helmet on the ground) In my endurance racing days, I could outlast near anyone. The ACL dilemma, is a tough one. Bigger quads do not help. Better diet/supplements that assists ligament development/recovery is the best answer. The braces? Cannot see how that helps much.
I was discussing this with a friend and agree. Most weekend warriors don't train their knees or train their body in general and eat a diet of pizza and beer. I think the diet part is overlooked, most people wouldn't think.
Had ligament surgery on both my knees from dirt bike accidents before I was 22 have worn knee braces ever since, I'm now 47 and have not had knee injuries since, to me besides my helmet they are the next most important part of my riding gear!
I just had a knee injury recently and bought knee braces then did one moto took them off and haven’t worn them since. For some reason the braces really took away a lot of hip mobility for me as well as just being super hot in the summer. I have mobius braces
I've always worn knee pads with 2 knee reconstructions (right) and 4 orthoscopic surgeries (left). I started wearing braces a couple years ago and I won't go back to knee pads.
I always enjoy your conversations especially this one with Johnny.
I'm new to offroad riding. Don't intend to race motocross, supercross or enduro. I just like riding trails and maybe some fast rally type sections. Do I need a brace or knee guards are enough?
Hi love the content, find it really helpful. Any advice on which body armour to wear? Full top or just vest etc. how are you finding the new knee pads?
The EVS tp199 is basically just a compression knee brace with minimal knee pad, gripping the bike is so comfortable in those
I couldn't tell you how many time my knees were saved by my Mobius X8 knee braces! I've tried just knee pads and did not like them.
Love Johnny
I feel I just waited my time watching this bit.
finally hopper is on this podcast
It’s his second time on
I do a blue collar job and My pod knee braces where the difference between me having to stop riding. I could barely walk come Monday morning after a weekend of riding. But started wearing knee braces it was like I didn’t even ride that weekend. I think it person to person. I feel way more locked into the bike too now.
What were those knew pads that you recommend?
*Lets f in go!*
Love my new Slayco knee pads
Same bro!
@@GYPSYTALESis there anywhere we can get these in the u.k.? Have you tried the EVS Hex Pro’s, trying to find an alternative if I can’t get the Slayco’s…. Thanks!
I can only speak from my own personal experience. Ive only ever worn knee guards racing and recreational riding offoad. Iv'e had to experience the hard way how a Raptor peg feels buried in your shin and hitting trees with my knee cap. The brace can help with a prevoius knee injury keeping everything stay tight, but will limit movement and take the load off the the nearby muscle at ths point the focus becomes maintaing stability and strength the knee is forever compromised at this point. Now endurance training and strength training has helped me avoid many crashes from happening in the first place prevention is a great tool as well. NOW accidents DO happen and its a risk we all take riding how far one wants to take it is up to that individual to decide whats best for them.
I had Asterisk braces.. I sold them because I could not feel the bike, just the hinge was touching like they talked about. I hated it. I have Mobius now and they feel just like my Leatt knee pads, which I loved. I don't think I ride any different. Yes, you can injure your knees with or without knee braces but you can't tell when they saved you either.
I think like you guys said, it is very psychological. I wore knee braces and a neck brace, both because of the fact that everybody I know says it is the best thing to do to be safe. I rode then once without a neck brace and I never put it on again, and I also feel like when the bike kicks you, the neck brace pulls you kinda in the direction the bike kicked you, without one I kinda feel you can balance it out more. Same with knee braces, the only thing is that I haven´t ridden without them, but I think I´ll try.
I was 12 years old the first time I smashed my knee into a tree. That was in 1975-6. I wish I was wearing something. Knew braces didn’t exist back then neither did surgery to fix torn tendons and ligaments.
As a soccer player I used to run 20 miles during a game. As a cross country runner champion in high school my knees were amazing. I never had knee problems until I stopped running 3-10 miles a day.
Riding Moto and enduro now at 57 I won’t get on my bike without having some kind of knee protection. I rode mountain bikes and downhill like I did 20 years ago. Can’t wear knee braces riding a bicycle. The mountain bike has always been my canary in the coal mine. If I can’t ride my mountain bike I have no business being on my motorcycle.
The reality is this. If I get hurt riding in my back yard on the enduro track and can’t ride my bicycle I’m done. I use the two sports together. Without the mountain biking I could not ride motocross or enduro.
When I was a kid riding BMX all those years of playing soccer made me that rider I was.
I have knee braces but they are medical ones. They are used for recovery.
I wear knee guards these days for protection against trees, rocks and foot pegs. Knee injuries are the worst. If you can’t walk you can’t work. If you can’t work you can’t pay bills.
Very debatable, however there are facts you can use to conclude an opinion for yourself
1. A brace limits mobility which can help not tear your ligaments
2. Limited mobility can infact interfere with natural motion which can cause the fall in the first place, thats why some pros arent wearing them, which is a good point
3. Stretching your knees daily helps prevent tears as you increase natural mobility
4. Braces prevent impact injurys (bike falls on your knee" example
To me, doing enduro races i will always choose a knee brace
On motocross i still like my knee braces but i can see why some dont
Getting over an ACL MCL LCL tear, both meniscus torn, and tibial plateau crack while wearing the TP199 EVS pads. Never had an injury like that before, so I’m not sure what would have happened if I had knee braces on. I’m looking into knee braces though. Knee braces are easier to blame because so many people in moto wear them. There is no right answer.
I have a few knee injuries but I can’t get into peace’s or pads I don’t have the same connection with the bike as I do with no pads or braces
If you stick your leg out, making contact with the ground, that’s going to PULL or TWIST your joints, tendons and ligaments. Add to that the pulling force of a 4 stroke race engine. With that in mind, if you think a pad or a brace are going to completely prevent the damage, then you are wrong. Our body is to soft to support the physics involved in hard crash.
Reminds me of the Neck brace issues where let's say 25% of the riders wore neck braces (in reality it's lower) yet accounted for 45-48% of neck-related injuries and still accounted for 25% of neck-related deaths. I wonder what the stats are for knee braces in regard to knee injuries? If only 10% wear knee braces and they account for 30% of knee injuries then you would know to stay away from knee braces.
coming from a guy that has blown his acl over 20 times in my life .knee braces might help and might not. but if you have acl damage knee braces will help keep you stable. i used to wrap my knee tight in ace before i rode abd i would fell my knee blow out and right before its all the way out the ace badge would spring it back into place. and i would not tear anything in my knee .so they work some if you already have weak joints or had your knee blow out before get knee brace if not dont think it matters
Riding Enduro in hot countries Braces are great for about a hour then you sweat buckets and your legs get smaller and the braces become loose so the protection becomes less affective, knee guards might be just as good.
Ryno's advise is very controversial but I've taken it to heart having nothing to stiffen up my body and I don't crash even after being off the bike for 10+ years. I always used to crash. Now to be far I have a brand new bike with nice suspension vs a clapped out 125 while weighing 150 lbs but I digress
Well I was poor and couldn’t afford actual braces. I’ve been running the og tp199 knee pads since the day Travis ran the nofear shorts with them.
I tore my left ACL playing soccer (no brace) and tore my right ACL recently literally stepping off my dirt bike wearing Asterisk knee braces ($800). I wear them mostly to protect my bone from hitting the rocks or bike falling on my knees cause i know nothing will safe your ACL unfortunately.
I run a 30 dollar pair of knee pads that are gel inside. It works if you grip the bike with your knees and sick of bruised knees
Stephen Gall was pushing CTi back in the 1980's
This needs hard data... for neck braces there is a similar debate but there is now data that shows they work.
Your halfway right. Wearing knee pads vs knee braces is like fucking without a condom but you forgot the part where the girl has 3 STDs. (ACL, MCL, Meniscus)
Idk about the 1 year for acl now, the jets running back killed it this weekend like 9 months out of an acl reconstruction
You don't have the money to get the treatment he did.
@@bloomerb4162 you can go to a country where health care is pennies on the dollar get an acl replacement and 6 months of daily rehab, hgh and a personal chef for 40k dollars lmao I've certainly got the money to do the same thing lmao
Anyone publicly denouncing safety gear of any kind is due for some serious karma coming their way IMO. Just look at Ryan Hughes banging on about neck braces …and then he broke his neck! This is a dangerous sport and people should feel free to wear or not wear whatever the hell they want
I just broke my femur 3 months ago wearing the EVS sx2. would I not broke my femur if I didn't have them on?? Or Maybe i would of blown my kneecap out instead??🤔 just saying🤷
Braces or Pads?
Whatever you fell like, if the crash is hard enough, the damage will be done regardless.
@@sthefanv7298 I agree for sure. My question is the title of the video references pads, but the whole video they are talking about braces. In my opinion braces and knee pads are 2 different things.
Johnny!?!?! 🥳
From growing up riding and racing DH mtn bikes, I learned to ride motos without squeezing the frame with my legs, and let the bike float underneath me. When I've tried to practice squeezing is the only time I experience knee pain. Enough so that I decided its not beneficial to me. Not saying squeezing the bike isn't beneficial at that level, but quite possible that squeezing and side loading your knee along with simultaneous downward pressure is a major contributor to knee problems?
knee pads are what they are called which is a pad for your knee. They are not knee stabilizers
They just have to keep working on better design rather than throw caution to the wind. The people that have money to throw at this shit need to keep going to work, raise families, and wipe assholes.
Isn’t this like the neck brace debate? I feel like wearing my knee pads have saved me more than knee braces. But I ride 98% xc.
We should get the poker guy and ask for his expert opinion.
Knee brace is prevention. Been riding for 20 years before I did my knee and it was a freak accident not even an incident at the track. I could have hurt my knee the same way walking. No reason to wear a brace until you’ve done your acl. That’s when you go to a brace. Otherwise your giving away mobility and strength by relying on a brace to support your leg rather than training your knees to be strong. Definitely you lose grip on the bike with knee braces comparatively. There’s tons of cons to a brace and only a few pros. Wait til you need one. Wear good knee pads with an internal knee support system and get after it. Knee injuries happen in our sport. Regardless of a brace. It’s not the same as a helmet.
Sports research has shown knee braces DO NOT protect against ACL injuries, and only marginally protect against MCL injuries. Though the majority of this research was conducted in other fields, such as football, the mechanics of an ACL tear are the same. Additionally, from a biomechanics perspective, if you are not tall enough such that your knee braces rest ABOVE the seat, then your stance will be widened and you will absolutely be giving up leverage on the motorcycle.
I don’t like knee braces I’ve seen a lot of broken legs just above or below the brace
Prove it......
4yrs ago I overshot massive jump and broke bones just below knee and ripped aswell as torn every ligament in knee. Had 3 surgeries and still can't feel or straighten leg. I'm now wearing Mobius kneebraces otherwise wouldn't be able to ride.
It doesn't really matter what you wear as if knee is going to break, sport is that dangerous you will. I have been A KO about 5× and now have epilepsy because of it. Avagud1
I’m alive today because I had knee braces on I tore my mcl the surgeon told me I missed tearing my main artery in my leg I guess it wasn’t my time to go
Why would you ever rife without knee guards?
alot more likely to die from a femur break due to the femural artery being right there and the sharp bone can puncture it. having said that, i broke my femur from a crash without wearing braces. all in all i think i would prefer to snap an acl
I rathar have my FEMUR CRACKED,
THEN MY KNEE CRASHED.
knee brases is the best
The knee is much harder to fix
199 pads.
Only bracing up after an injury.
Knock on wood... hopefully no injury happens.
Broke my femur due to my knee brace, never wore them again only wear guards now, I also have the Slayco guards and they are phenomenal compared to other competitors they have an internal soft brace that gives good support. The hard braces just have to many breaking points, to each there own tho.
Knee Brace Delete.. Got to hand it to ya,, every once in a while you get one in Jase. Fucking without a condom! Grand Slam Donezo. Perfect explanation! Classic brah🤙
Raced for 15 years. Always wore knee braces and never had one knee injury. Bent some braces tho
Also braces it’s easier to break ur tib fib with one
@@dougacebal8501 yeah the amount of femur breaks I’ve heard of while guys have the brace on.
I'm completely neutral on this, if braces are your choice then cool, go for it. Everyones body is different.
I've been riding and racing for 35 years, never worn braces and never had a knee ligament injury, also I've been a skateboarder for the same amout of time.
If you want to wear braces for prevention then do so, if you're confident in the strength of your joints and don't feel you need them then don't wear them.
Personal choice.
What i don't like is people telling me i need "this product"
To protect me and if i don't buy into it like everyone else, I'm the idiot?
I will decide what my body needs based on common sense and knowing my own limitations.
From my standpoint, it seems that knee injuries has increased since these ''full leg'' knee braces came onto the market. Atleast some sorts of knee injuries.
''Back in the day'', people destroyed their knees, but slowly over a long time. Sure people injured them aswell, im not stupid. But not as much on PRO level as we see today.
On the other side, just to be my own ''devils advocate'' here. Their backs got destroyed more. So the comment from Johnny about ''them standing up more'' might have something to do with it ofc. Occams razor would certainly suggest that.
I think it a leg mass and size thig then but more like a boddy builder doing moto but the knee brace definitely don't limit my movements due to it not on my bone but on flexible muscle boddy and i can get more leverage on the bike due to the knee brace being a large contact area so maby it more if you have a low amount of muscle mass they less protective but for me i still end up with bruise on the knee frome gripping and thats with a larger surface area to contact so there not much way this happening this knee pads but again just more muscle more room for bones to move in different ways to brace so now it more of a mechanical advantage should bring it up but the small size rider of the 2t days are out so may start being a better topic soon size not just product
Like suspension setup
Braces or not, all that impact has to go somewhere, just like a neck brace!!
You are crazy if you believe knee pads are better than braces. Also for someone to say that it would have been better to tear my ACL is delusional
San Francisco sandals😂
Knee pads in mountain biking are a big deal, yet NOBODY uses knee braces in mountain biking …..still see those stupid neck braces on occasion though
Knee pads: yes knee braces l: no
Knee pads all day, not braces.
Great. Let's not wear a helmet next because someone else broke his collarbone. Besides, a helmet isn't a guarantee you will live....dude you have a large enough audience. Respect the gravity of your opinion please. Share your opinion, don't force it on others
Fantastic Conversion !!!!!!!!! But I do agree with Johnny, it's nice to have more to grip, but riders do piss and moan about bike widths. So Knee pads with extra padding on the inside of the Knee ??