I was in a 1974 gunfight against three armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special & had to reload under fire. For those who believe the .38 is anemic all I can say is the Colt, as well as that .38 round, served me pretty well in that dark parking lot all those years ago. My EDC is retirement is a J Frame .38 and just yesterday I put all five rounds center chest in a Q Target @ 25 yards w/a 442 S&W. My personal opinion is .357 belongs in a K or L Frame. It’s just too much recoil for this old man in something smaller.
357 is my baby . The more you practice the better you're going to get . I carry a K Frame and she used to be heavy until I got used to it. Now it's part of my body. If it's not there I fill naked.
@@darrellleach6077 I have a 65-3 in a 4" barrel would like to know what holster you use for CCW? I am looking for something that carries higher on the belt to conceal muzzle better. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
@@shawncampbell3191 I had the exact opposite problem. I had to get a custom holster made for my 686 plus 2.5 inch because every holster I tried would shove the grip dam near up my armpit. Had to get one that rode lower inside the waistband.
I think I am familiar with your story. Do you think if you’d had a better load than the 158 RNL it would have made much of a difference? How about a NY reload along with a speedloader or two. What load and set up is your edc ? Thanks.
Buying a 357 snub nose and using 38 special or special + rounds gives you the extra weight to make the 38 a little easier to handle and still gives you the option of using 357 rounds.
The .357 will be of much greater weight than a .38. If that doesn't bother you it's fine. I have both .38 handguns and .357 handguns. I would not buy a .357 to shoot .38 rounds. For one thing they don't shoot anywhere near the same so re sighting each time you change the loads is necessary. I don't carry a wheel gun as a self protection from humans but carry a wheel gun for protection from critters and expect to shoot more than point blank range.
@russellkeeling4387 the greater weight is the whole point. Helps absorb more recoil for those who wish to shoot the 38 special or +p but are recoil sensitive. Of course the 357 mag and 38 don't shoot the same. But, having the 357 mag revolver gives you options. As far as resighting, windage won't change and a skilled person can alter target placement. No one is going to continually swap out the front sight. Perhaps adjustable rear target sights.
I own & carry a Taurus 605 .357 magnum. I too carry the Federal HST 125 grain SJHP chambered in .357 magnum. I did replace the small Taurus grips with bigger better Hogue Grips for much better recoil & much better overall control. Fantastic revolver
@@thomaspalmer7900 My friend, may it be you have experienced .38 Special through that 605. My new purchase 856 is sittin at Sportsmans waitin for pick-up; in the mean time after much and considerable research, decided to solely use +p, range and defense_ Remington UMC Ammunition 38 Special +P 125 Grain JHP for range, the Remington Golden Saber Defence for carry. Also, the hefty 968 fps 329 mzl Norma Range & Training 158 Grain FMJ (non +p) for to practice expertise with aim recovery. I question, with such a long time, huge diet of +p through that 856... if I should best exchange for the Taurus 605 .357, but i've been obsessing losing that sixth round. What thinks ye, if you'cn say. ~ Thanks
@@onewayup5 my personal opinion I would keep the 685. That one round capacity to me could be a life or death determination. A lot of folks do not prefer to shoot the .357 magnum due to recoil. Lots of great reviews on the .38+P ammunition for PD! I have .38 .38+P .357 magnum loads
My journey on the 357magnum has taught me always go for the bigger gun with the most weight as it will absorb recoil especially when using powerful 357 ammo, I started out with a LCR then a SP101, then a 2.5inch 686 plus , now I'm at what gives me the most control over stout magnum loads , and thats the 4inch GP100 which I do carry in a iwb holster
great video, lots of real factual info. I know it's about the gun but over penetration should be mentioned as a concern. I have an sp101 3" that is ported. My woodland gun incase of black bear. Seems to fit the situation well.
This video is full of good information. Many people should see this before they go out and buy a 357 mag or 44 mag snubnose for concealed carry. I hear many people at the range. Say just go out and buy a large caliber pistol you'll stop anything. You won't stop anything if you can't control the pistol and hit the target..
In the old west, it wasn't the fastest draw or the best shot that was most likely to survive a gun fight. It was the man that could keep calm and not lose his head while the bullets were flying.
@@DeeInvisible1 I myself do not use it for a pocket pistol because it has the firing pin on the hammer but if someone is brave enough the yes it could be.
357 BAD NEWS Years ago as a juror on a Grand Jury we dealt with a man charged with a serious felony assault. The shooter was cleared on a justifiable self defense shooting. He got into trouble after his 357 bullet went through the bad guy striking a woman that was in no way connected with the incident. Unfortunately the prosecutor cut off my questioning after I asked the arresting officer what kind of gun was it. The officer rapidly responded “357”. The prosecutor then gave me a lecture telling me this is a Grand Jury not CSI. The prosecutor told the officer several times “do not answer that” after the other jurors, myself included when we tried to get details of the shooting. I wanted to know and was unable to get a straight answer if the incident happened so fast. Did the shooter have enough time to consider what was behind the bad guy. I couldn’t even get a straight answer if the bad guy was holding a weapon. Despite mine and one other juror’s no vote, the indictment went forward. Later that day after arriving home. I removed the 38+P from my concealed carry revolver. Replacing the +Ps with standard 158gr lead round nose bullets. A few days later changing to standard velocity lead semi wad cutter HPs. I regret not following up to see if the self defense shooter was prosecuted. Hopefully if it went to trial he was not incarcerated. I might add the woman that was struck had minor emergency room surgery, kept overnight and released the following morning. I pleaded with the other jurors to use our subpoena power to call in witnesses or the shooter. It fell on deaf ears as all the female jurors and one male didn’t want to bother. Best summed up as one juror in the private session asked me “why does somebody need a powerful magnum he had to know how deadly it was”. She also remarked something about the shooter could have shot him in the arm or leg to just wound him. She is/ was a grade school cafeteria manager likely a hard core Lib.
Just about every caliber will pass through a human torso. Why? The average thickness of a human torso is 13". On average a 9mm, 38spl., .357, .40 S&W, .45acp will pass through even using hollow points. Why? The range. The average distance of an officer or civilian involved shooting is 10 yards. That close will get you over penetration.
*What State was this? Where I live (T E X A S) the victim cannot be prosecuted if an uninvolved third person is injured because of justified self defense. The attacker is criminally responsible, not a victim who defends her/himself.*
@@joeskeptical4762 Yes he can. You are responsible for every bullet you shoot. I just talked to a deputy friend he told me that if your bullet strikes a third uninvolved person you can be charged up to involuntary manslaughter
@@texassportsman5880 *This comment falls right in line with the “blame the victim” mentality. The lefty rot has invaded your thinking. Police can charge a ham sandwich with jaywalking if they want to BUT the DA cannot prosecute (i.e. take to trial) a victim forced to open fire in self defense. What happens if a person is pushed off a balcony, lands on an uninvolved third person who dies, but the victim survives? Charge the victim with involuntary manslaughter? To bring charges for involuntary manslaughter requires other improper, reckless, dangerous or imprudent behavior by the victim which results in the unintended death of an innocent person. Repairing or replacing roof damage but throwing debris off onto an unprotected sidewalk might be an example. Exercising Constitutional Rights (Texas Constitution Art 1 Clause 23) is not improper behavior in any way. Defending oneself with lethal force when attacked by same cannot result in criminal liability of the victim.*
@@keithgraham9547 The DA will file charges on the guy that accidentally shot a third uninvolved person. Even if he's acquitted he can be sued by the victim or their family for wrongful death or serious bodily injury. Suppose he is convicted he can be sued anyway. That's why there's a huge responsibility that goes with firearm ownership and use. We are and always will be responsible for each bullet that's fired from our guns. We must always know what's behind the intended target. Those that don't care and want to do a magazine dump when someone tries to commit a crime against us will make all of us look bad especially to those who are on the fence about the 2A.
I carried the model 60 until I shot and fell in love with the model 640. The ergonomics of the 640 allows me to glean additional support from my dominant thumb. As the experienced operator of snub nose revolvers I must concur; that copious amounts of practice is essential in becoming a proficient snub nose pistolero.
Wow, this was the best video I've seen on this subject. Rodney explained everything thoroughly and in easy-to-understand language. It would be a privilege to take lessons from someone with his level of expertise. I've been shooting firearms since I was six and even I learned a couple things. Excellent video.
My Ruger SP101 357 revolver does have significant recoil, especially when firing full power loads. Replacing the stock grips with a Hogue Monogrip has made a world of difference. in addition to allowing a more complete grip (flesh on the gun) and a non-slip grip surface (more gun in the hand), the fact that the grip fills in the immediate area behind the trigger guard (recoil can brutalized the middle finger) makes a substantial difference in perceived recoil and muzzle control.
That was an informative presentation, thanks. I carried a SW 38 most of my 27 year US Army Career. When on base/off base I carried the 38 EDC and in Combat 1911/Beretta 9mm, HK MP5, a shot gun of various lengths and my 38 as a backup. Please to be kind to others and stay safe.
I have owned a S&W model 13 in .357 with a 4 inch barrel for nearly 50 years. I find the fixed sites accurate to 50+ yards. I learned how to reload my own ammo and found that a 115 grain hollow point in front of Blue Dot powder provided high velocity and manageable recoil. Though sometimes a challenge to conceal it has served me well.
This was an excellent tutorial! One of my EDC pistols is a Chiappa Rhino 4" 357. 6 rounds, and reload with a speed loader. It's very comfortable to shoot 357, combat-effective hits out to 15 yards standing. It's the mate for my Henry Big Boy 357 X gun.
I bought my Ruger SP101 3" back in 2011 & the blast caught me by surprise. I will admit it took a lot of practice with it. I've since put some Hogue rubber grips & a lighter spring kit now it handles everything like a champ.
Thanks for watching the channel and I am with you.......the wallop is a surprise especially if you haven't shot it in awhile. Always a good way to wake up though. Thanks again and we appreciate your comments.
I got a 4 inch model and did the same upgrades along with a full internal polish of trigger and hammer mechanism. It is so smooth and light on the trigger. If your interested there is a RUclips tutorial for it. Stay safe.
Rodney, it is so refreshing to see someone on RUclips who has thought about what they wish to say before they make a video. Your presentations are excellent. I've just subscribed to your chnnel. After teaching for a living for four decades in addition to being a law enforcement officer, I can say there is nothing wrong with a good revolver for the average citizen who is not into guns. Like another commenter here, a .38 snub stood me in good stead in a dark alley in 1979, and even with some ammunition that wasn't ideal, I put down two men with a Chief's Special. I'm glad it was just two, and I immediately thereafter bought a Detective Special. I was required to use a .38 revolver, and I wanted that extra shot. I relegated my five shot revolvers after that to backup gun status. As for distances encountered in citizen defense gun uses, Tom Givens has some good information for you on that as well. You are right that it's farther than many think. Simple averages misrepresent the range of possibilities.. As yo say though, the .357 Magnum is designed to live in a larger gun and in fact was originally intended for big game hunting by its inventor. It is more than a handful in a small revolver. That combination might be just fine for a cop to pull off his ankle from the ground after he has lost his primary weapon, to use at point blank range, but not as one's primary gun. Almost everyone I've seen on the range with one has very shortly reverted to .38 Special ammunition, which isn't a bad idea, but given what the little Magnums sell for it seems wasteful. I think I'd rather have a six shot steel gun like the Detective Special (I guess that would be a Cobra now) if I didn't want an autoloader and needed a simple snub nosed gun for ciizen self defense. If it proves to be reliable, a Taurus 856 has promise in the budget range. Another way in which the .38 is superior in a small revolver occurs if you have to reload. Very few small Magnums have an ejector rod long enough to completely clear an empty Magnum case, and you end up starting your stressed reload with the old "Slap and Pluck." This slows things down considerably Another problem that may have just been solved is in the area of ammunition. The vast majority of .357 Magnum ammo we see today is full power, because that is what "Magnum shooters" seem to want to buy. Seldom do they realize how hard this stuff is to use under realistic time pressure in situations where you simply cannot miss, such as urban carry. What is needed is a round that offers a clear advantage over .38 Special +P, but still can be controlled. I had some luck with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel .357 Magnum, but finding it in stock anywhere is almost impossible. But there is a load that is quite good in a .357 snub, and effectively turns our little blaster into a good 9mm +P level of performance. It is the Remington Golden Saber 125 grain .357 Magnum. This load gives about 1220 fps from a four inch gun, and I get 1100 from a snubbie. The only problem is that in its last days, Remington discontinued the load after marketing a bonded bullet version to law enforcement that failed to sell well. Now that Vista has acquired Remington ammunition, they have brought it back in 20 round boxes packaged for private citizens. They have confirmed for me that this load is the same as the old non-bonded round. Back in the 90's the early boxes were marked "Medium Velocity" but this seemed to hurt sales so Remington removed that designation.A medium velocity .357 load is exactly what we need for the small Magnum revolvers. Some have criticized this load in the past because it can suffer jacket/core separation, but they fail to realize that this only occurs at the end of the bullet's travel and is meaningless for citizen self defense. In retirement I sometimes carry a revolver as my walk around gun, usually in the form of an old S&W Model 19 2 1/2 inch revolver with this load in it. I've also shot it in a Ruger SP101 and a Model 640. It is quite controllable in all of them. It seems to give similar performance to a 9mm 124 grain +P load, and we know there is nothing wrong with that. This might be a solution for those who insist on carrying Magnum ammo in a little gun.
.357 comes into it's own at 3" barrel mark w hot 125 grain, I put a lot of ballistics data in my Is a 7-shot 3" .357 magnum a viable CCW vid! Under 2 1/2" a 9mm Revo probably just if not more effective more expansion faster split times.
I've been shooting my Roger sp101 3" barrel with both 357 mag and 38 special and enjoy shooting both. The weight of this revolver makes the 357 mag shooting pleasent.. I carry this as my concealed and have so for 2 years. I also keep my speed loaders handy and with practice, reloading is fast. Spend time on the range.
I had a Dan Wesson 8" barrel stainless back in the 1980's. 158 gr rounds still packed a wallop. It was mainly a fun range gun. It did shoot 38 specials very very accurately.
As a novice to revolvers I went with Ruger GP 100 with 5 inch barrel as it looked just amazing. Soon after I realized no way in hell I can conceal this beast in summer time comfortably or at all most days. But as a choice for most daily edc I go with revolver since I bought another one with 2 inch barrel. No slide to mess with or safety. 357 round is just best option as I see it compared to others so is 38 special and fact they can shoot both rounds adds to functionality and versatility. 357 fired out of a lever rifle is also great as you can use same round for both firearms and even hunt with it.
5 inch gp 100 is a rare size beautiful gun. It's a home defense or range gun. If you polish it with your free time it will get really beautiful and never sell it. Ask me how I know 😉
I’ve been shooting revolvers, especially the .357 for 40 years and everything you’ve mentioned in this video is absolutely fact! I do carry a .357 and its a S&W 66-2 snub in appendix.
I love front pocket carry with S&W m&p340 and 360pd. Switching grips to a wraparound Pachmayr helps with recoil, and are still slim enough for the pocket. And 125 gr 38+p helps balance power and recoil…light , reliable and quick make the kick in the palm worth it.
I front pocket my 360 PD as well and prefer it over the 340, because it allows me to anchor my thumb on the hammer for control and safety when drawing it. It's a handful with 38 plus p's and is unbearable with .357's. Furthermore, I've heard of some folks having reliability issues with the scandium/alloy J frames with regards to the cylinder binding up.
Use the SP101 2 1/4" barrel for a carry revolver. It's used on small game when using 38spl and with 357mag it's pretty easy to use. It's not an issue to make 50yd shots and I find this revolver easy to use. The small game hunting really helped getting proficient.
I carry a S&W 649 sometimes and I like the fact that even though it is primarily a double action revolver, It has a bobbed hammer that can be cocked for single action if so desired. It is not a light weight gun but it shoots so good.
I own and carry that S&W scandium revolver and it is no joke! 90% of the time I load it with .38 +p. One of my favorite things to do while at the local fire range is to invite all the tough guys to "come shoot my little gun"! Its a humbling experience.
I bought my Scandium 340 when they first came out quite a few years ago and I agree with you-Painful. Much more so than an N frame 44 Magnum. I’ve kept it loaded exclusively with 38 +P’s for years (which are still quite attention getting given it’s weight, Lol). I have no problem with an all steel 357 Magnum J frame and my model 640-1 is one of my favorite firearms.
Had a 642 in 38 Special, now an M&P 340. I love the light weight for carry. As everything is always a compromise, one must decide what is needed for one’s situation, dress, and abilities. Love these videos!
A revolver is a great EDC gun. You must practice and a crimson trace laser will help in rapid acquisition of the target. If you practice enough you’ll learn the problem of the locked cylinder and how to quickly get your weapon back in action. Reloading is an important skill to master in poor lighting. Learning to reload while moving/running is also useful.
I used to conceal carry with a SW Model 19 with a 2.5" barrel. This was the standard duty gun I was issued when I was on MSG duty back in the late 80s. I purchased the same gun a few years ago and was reminded how svelte the gun still is compared to a lot of the compact 9mm out there. Plan on using it again for conceal carry during the winter months as soon as I find a good holster that I like.
My EDC is the 640 Smith with the large grips and no rear sight just a trench up to the front sight nothing to snag coming out of my pocket. When training with this gun I use the 38's when I carry it it's loaded with the fast burn hollow point 357 rounds.
Many years ago, the first handgun I purchased was a .38/357 magnum Colt Lawman with a 2-inch barrel. It was a great concealed carry gun but I was never able to shoot with it accurately. I eventually replaced it with a 5-inch barrel 38 special revolver and a 6-inch barrel 357 magnum revolver. My accuracy improved with the longer barrel revolvers.
You are so right. I did however muscle memory myself to hold my rossi 461 2" snubby very, very tight and got way better with it. 2.5" groups at 12yrds.😏
I worked in the Justice System briefly and an Army sniper friend of mine got me into range shooting. We'd go to the range, burn some powder then have a few pops at the blues bar down the street. He used a Baretta 9mm and I competed with my '74 model 66. I'd outshoot him every week and it was really hard for him to take. He'd switch weapons periodically and it made no difference. No matter what he brought to the range my model 66 was King. He ended up switching to a wheel gun.
Nothing beats the stopping power of a S&W 640 or a Taurus 605...I have both for conceal and carry... especially for those wild bear encounters..if you know you know
I purchased a Taurus 605 a few weeks ago. I absolutely love the revolver!!!! I did replace the Taurus grips on my revolver with bigger Hogue grips. Much better recoil & control!! I carry Remington HTP .357 magnum 125 grain SJHP for my EDC.
Taurus 605 is a great gun but even loaded with buffalo bore 180 grain 357. Hardcast.. i would still prefer more gun if i had no choice but to face a bear. If it's all you had it may save you but i'd get a 10mm semi auto or a 4-6" full size 6-7 shot revolver. Take care
Thank you for such a great video I use a Rock Island snub-nose revolver .38 easy on the hands, no painful shockwave after spending a day at the range. That's one of the reason I choose .38 over .357 when dealing with a smaller lighter revolver.... Great information I am looking in a full size 357 Magnum revolver with a 4 to 6 in barrel, which I will use both .38 and 357 ammo.
Thanks for your excellent review. I bought the secual order S/W N-Frame snubbies 327 titanium built and 627 stainless stell built. They were a pleasure to shoot at the range and they didnt pound my hands at all surprisingly. I had 6 in barrel S/W revolver and man it was hard on the hands. If you need a 357 for short distances and thses snubbies are heavy 327 a little lighter and they can handle the 357 rds. Thx for your review😊
I usually watch similar videos and am left thinking, ..they must not have very much experience. This video is 100% truth! Thank you for making an informative video that is true and to the point and knowing 100% what you are talking about!!
The information in this video is valid and well told. Personally I don't believe a 2" barrel is long enough to take advantage of the 357 magnum cartiridge. The two inch revolver is a viable dependable concealed carry weapon. If this is your choice buy in 357 Magnum and make sure it is a steel frame, remember the weight is better comment. Then use 38 Plus P ammo. And practice often with a compentent coach or instructor. And if you want to give yourself a little more edge, buy one of these guns with a 3 inch barrel. The lenght is not that great of difference for carry purposes. But extremely useful in shooting. Whatever you choose practice. Rodney's presentation in this video caused me to subscribe to his channel. I've of the era of the gentleman commenting below. And also a retired police officer. A five shot J frame S&W was my backup gun of choice. My duty weapon was a 1911 in 45 ACP. Keep up the good work Rodney.
I have a S&W 640 Pro. I put Underwood 38 Special +P in mine. So that's pretty potent. I also swapped out for a larger grip. Just long enough for my pinky to fit. It's only slightly longer than the stock boot grip. I live in California where our hand gun roster list really limits our choices. EDIT: I also did a trigger job in it. Lowered the spright weights and stoned certain contact points on the hammer and other parts.
380 and 9 are better concealed carry rounds for sure. The .357 is a round that when used only one needed. All .357 handguns can use 38. It is quite perfect for self defense. 9MM is fine as is 380. Have a .357 and a 9 mm and cover a few bases. Every gun owner should have a wheel gun, a plastic and a shotgun. AR-15 and a Deer rifle.
I live in Ohio which is a constitutional carry state. I can open carry or conceal if I want with no permit needed. I do carry my .357. It's a GP100 with a 6 inch barrel. I have a galco VHS 4.0 shoulder unit for it. It is a heavy gun and I feel the weight of it but if I ever have a bear or coyote pack run up on me while I'm in the woods or on my property I know I'll be able to deal with it.
There is so much information out there when it comes to revolvers and semi autos. But at the end of the day you have to use what you feel comfortable with. And I pray that if you ever have to use your weapon of choice, that it does save your life. Take care and GOD bless.
Got away from the .357 several yrs ago because of the abusive kick, bag and flash. Went to the .45. But ive come full circle since. I have an S&W M360 thats my edc/backup. Im familiar with it and its character/nature and know what to expect. Sizeand weight is my explanation.
I have a scandium 44 magnum. I also love shooting a 4" 500 magnum. The best snub imo is the Kimber k6S. Good trigger, good recoil control, heavy, smooth, sexy. Better than its competition
Both wife and myself don't really have the strength or the wrist strength for every day carry of the .357 magnum after watching this video thanks, We currently have 9mm semi autos and realized size matters. The m&p shield + seems to be a lot less accurate compared to the 4" IWI Massada 9mm. She perfers something smaller but I am worried about will it have enough to do the job going to a smaller caliber with easier recoil. Can you make a recommendation something smaller with less recoil ? we both love semi's but love revolvers as well. Was considering giving up on the smaller gun get a longer barrel heavier gun just not sure which way to go. Have not ruled out a .22 lr or mag in a revolver. Could really use some advice. Thanks for your time in advance.
My Ruger, SP 101 357 with a 3 inch barrel was my carry a gun in 1992…… I have bought many guns since then, but my wife and I still enjoy shooting 38 Caliber out of it. Good to know I could use 357 as an option…… The older I get the more important comfort becomes. My carry gun now is either a Smith & Wesson snubnose or a 380 pocket pistol.
Good information and well said ! I’ve carried and used the .357 mag for 57 years ! I like gun weight with that ctg ! My choice for the past 22 years is the model S&W 586 ! Sure it fall in the weight of 42 ounces , I really don’t mine that weight ! Bullet weights and construction are a matter of choice !
I’ve been carrying Springfield XD40’s but recently bought a Ruger SP101 .357 3” to replace my Taurus 605 .357 2”. I think I’ll be carrying my Ruger SP101 most of the time. I’m not really a semi guy🤷🏻♂️
Great video! I have 3 inch matte stainless Taurus 605 357. It is my EDC and is good to go at shorter range (30-40 feet). It does take concentration to shoot, but delivers over 400 lb-ft of force to the target with 158 grain 357 rounds. It was very snappy until I swapped to Pachmayr grips and now it shoots well without breaking my hand/wrist. The first round is generally spot on, but recoil does affect getting it back on target quickly. Concentration on sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control are key.
In cooler weather, when I am wearing a jacket or coat, I carry a .357 with a 4 in. barrel in a shoulder holster. My choice is an old Ruger Security Six. I've had it since the early 80's. It's a little shorter and lighter than the newer GP100. In warmer months, I carry the Ruger LCRx in the .38 Special +P
My wife has a hard time racking my semi autos. Everyone from 380 to 45. A snub nose is the only option for her. A hammerless 357 is what I plan to get her. She can shoot 38+p and be fine. But it will have the option of 357 ammo. As far as accuracy, the snub will get someone off of you, or get them to release you. And there's no stovepipe to clear, just keep pulling the trigger until he lets go.
My wife had the same problem racking the slide. I got her a Ruger LCP lite rack 22lr. Worst mistake I ever made. Between failure to feeds and lite strikes it is not reliable. Now I have to purchase a aftermarket spring kit for a brand new gun.
I carry a s&w model 19-5 357 snub all day, everyday. Nothing is more comfortable than a revolver for iwb carry than a revolver and old school steel and wood is damn sexy.
I've seen a 38 failed to make it all the way through a thick leather jacket before. Unless you're an old granny I recommend 357 Magnum hollow points. My gun of choice would be the Ruger SP 100 hammerless 3 in. That thing is built like a tank. Now granted I'm a big guy but I felt very little recoil with full load 357. It pretty much reminded me of one of those light carry guns using 38 Special. And the Ruger SP 100 especially hammerless is an excellent concealed carry. I used to carry it in my right pocket of my jeans.
Agree 100%. However edc 357m is one of my choices. If you haven’t fired 357m in a confined space (house, etc). You should def do it before you edc. I highly recommend range time after sundown so you know what to expect in the dark. I can tell you this from experience. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of 357m in the dark or confined space. it is a very unpleasant experience. Especially while your trying to clear a malfunction.
Most of my life a 357 was my only handgun. Currently I have a King Cobra but "only" put 38 wadcutters in it. I shoot it better with the lighter loads. 357 blows my sights a good distance off my aim point and I have to make considerable effort to get it back on target. I have a Python that is much heavier and it has no problem running full power 357 defense ammo. I have 22 to 44 magnum to choose from and find 357 to be the most powerful handgun that can still be carried concealed. I do edc.
you're not a revo guy... got it..... agree that small frame revos may not be the best fit for a novice... but, in the hands of an experienced shooter.. they have a long history of being very effective, concealable, and versatile .....I never feel "undergunned" when carrying one.
Thank You for the honesty and informative video, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge. I love the revolvers also, and I do agree with you that there are better options today for EDC.
Informative & accurate explanation on 357 caliber round in small frame gun. Best I’ve seen on RUclips. Higher powered ammo is harder to control in smaller guns! Heavier frames are always easier to handle hotter rounds.
Yeah I wish I took the store owners comment about how hard 357 kicks more seriously but hey I can also shoot 38 special in my secondary carry I'll keep this in mind whenever I run out of 357
Read several comments and how people feel the 357 it’s too much gun when you pull the trigger. Well, you know you can use 38 special ammo in that same gun and it enjoyable at that point, and works great for practicing and getting used to the gun and then if you’re gonna use it for Kerry, then put the 357 in there!
I agree with a lot of what he says. I bought a j frame 640 just for the factory dovetaild night sights. Just like he says, .357 magnums are downright painful in this gun. You get a crazy amount of blast and recoil for very little ballistic performance over a .38 Special +P in this short barrel gun. The .38+p is comparible to a 9mm and adequate for personal defense. Don't try to stack the bouble action revolver trigger. The secret to shooting a double action revolver is to start with a death grip on the gun. Squeeze the trigger straight through till it fires without the sights coming off target. Once you master the double action revolver, you can shoot anything.
My eaa snubby windicator in .357 is a tank very heavy it handles 180 grain jhp just fine. Previously I was using a Taurus 605 now that was a snappy hand wrecker.
I have the 60-14 in 357 and at the range, I practice double tap point shooting with full loads and it is awesome. mind you, I am 75 yrs old and have been shooting since I was 18yrs old when I joined the Army in 1966/1969. I also exercise daily to keep up with good arm strength, any sport requires good physical condition. so aside from training with a weapon! you need good physical strength to handle it. So! the less strength the smaller your caliber should be for total control. heavier calibers require really good strength and arm control. the term limp wristing = weak hand strength.
S&W 649 w/125 grn hornady xtp handloads to est 1300fps. Recoil very managable. I did experience all your cons, but practice has overcome them to make my self defense accuracy @ 10-20 yards very acceptable. Very imformative video. Will be re-visiting your channel.
Good video and agree with all your points. I would add that the flash and blast also have to be considered. What is not an issue on a brightly lit range becomes blinding in low-light conditions and the sound pressure levels indoors are noticeably greater than with more moderate cartridges. My experience with shooting a Magnum handgun outdoors without hearing protection was not habit-forming and I absolutely would not want to touch one off indoors.
I carry Smith & Wesson m&p model 340 I know what you mean by unpleasant to shoot but I switched out the grip to a hogue tamer grip and it really calmed it down and made such a difference still a handful at the range but definitely can get back on target a lot easier I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world and great video by the way keep them coming 👍
I started my LEO career with a 38 special. The 9mm is great. Large capacity and lighter on recoil compared with full powered 357. With that said, I shoot the 38/357 quite well. That is because my snubbed 357’s are all magna-ported. Makes the 357 shoot like a 38+P. I carry 2 eight Tuff cartridge strips for reloading.
I have both. Gave the 3inch SP101 to my son, recently. I train alot with my 2 1/4 SP101. Use 125g JHP. train only with 357 mag loads. I find the recoil very managable and the grip quite effective . I have speedloaders. I totally agree that it is not for everybody, and that it takes effort to do it well. If clothing allows larger gun, then I do so. But I like that the small SP101 is concealable with about any clothing.
I have a S&W Model 640-1 Pro Series. (.357 stainless steel with 2" barrel) It is heavy (about 22oz) which helps with recoil management, but it certainly is no fun to shoot .357 heavy grain bullets. Even with lighter 125gr rounds, it stops being fun after about 2 cylinders. As you pointed out, it is limited to 5 shots and takes some time and skill to reload at a fast enough rate to help if you actually needed more than 5 rounds. With all that said, I love mine, and carry it frequently, but I also always carry an LCP in my pocket with 2 spare magazines. (The .357 is the primary, with the LCP being the backup when/if the wheel gun runs empty. - I carry the LCP setup, even if I am carrying a full-size auto on my hip) For the wheel gun, I carry 125gr HP .357 rounds in it. I am not super proficient with it, but I can readily maintain 3" groups at 7 yards at speed. I would not feel super confident making a 40-50 foot (or farther) head shot with it, but a body shot would be doable for me. I primarily carry it when I will be in a car for extended periods. I wear it horizontal at the 12 o'clock position and it is super comfortable that way and conceals completely with my shirt untucked. (I have tried small auto's this way, but have on a couple of occasions activated the mag release while sitting when my shirt or pants bunched and pressed against it. (and no - the mag release should not be covered by the kydex holster in autos!) My wife is about 4'10" at about 105 pounds with super tiny and super weak hand strength. The only thing she is comfortable shooting is a .22 and she carries a S&W model 317 (super light-weight 8-shot revolver with just under 2" barrel) She actually shoots it well, and can keep 6 of the 8 rounds in a 3" circle with a couple stretching out to about 6" if she hurries the shots. - Yes, I know a .22LR is not ideal, but I am 100% sure it would be better than her not being armed at all. (She can manipulate the easy-rack .380 autos I have, but she does not like them and has not been able to master the failure drills with any of them, and as a result, she only feels good with her little .22) - I am just glad she has recently adopted being responsible for her own safety and that she got her CCL. Only this year I have convinced her that she had to modify her wardrobe to accommodate her gun, rather than continue to dress for fashion and be forced to leave her gun behind. (She knows I HATE it when she carries in her purse, so she has been carrying on her strong side hip OWB) She is still not carrying 100% of the time, but she is up to about 70%. Just thought I would add my thoughts/experiences with the wheel-gun snubbies. Great video.
I was in a 1974 gunfight against three armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special & had to reload under fire. For those who believe the .38 is anemic all I can say is the Colt, as well as that .38 round, served me pretty well in that dark parking lot all those years ago. My EDC is retirement is a J Frame .38 and just yesterday I put all five rounds center chest in a Q Target @ 25 yards w/a 442 S&W. My personal opinion is .357 belongs in a K or L Frame. It’s just too much recoil for this old man in something smaller.
357 is my baby . The more you practice the better you're going to get . I carry a K Frame and she used to be heavy until I got used to it. Now it's part of my body. If it's not there I fill naked.
@@darrellleach6077 I have a 65-3 in a 4" barrel would like to know what holster you use for CCW? I am looking for something that carries higher on the belt to conceal muzzle better. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
@@shawncampbell3191 I had the exact opposite problem. I had to get a custom holster made for my 686 plus 2.5 inch because every holster I tried would shove the grip dam near up my armpit. Had to get one that rode lower inside the waistband.
I think I am familiar with your story. Do you think if you’d had a better load than the 158 RNL it would have made much of a difference? How about a NY reload along with a speedloader or two. What load and set up is your edc ? Thanks.
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Buying a 357 snub nose and using 38 special or special + rounds gives you the extra weight to make the 38 a little easier to handle and still gives you the option of using 357 rounds.
My thought too . The recoil and follow up would improve.
ABSOLUTELY!!! Thank You Sir!
That’s what I do
The .357 will be of much greater weight than a .38. If that doesn't bother you it's fine. I have both .38 handguns and .357 handguns. I would not buy a .357 to shoot .38 rounds. For one thing they don't shoot anywhere near the same so re sighting each time you change the loads is necessary. I don't carry a wheel gun as a self protection from humans but carry a wheel gun for protection from critters and expect to shoot more than point blank range.
@russellkeeling4387 the greater weight is the whole point. Helps absorb more recoil for those who wish to shoot the 38 special or +p but are recoil sensitive. Of course the 357 mag and 38 don't shoot the same. But, having the 357 mag revolver gives you options. As far as resighting, windage won't change and a skilled person can alter target placement. No one is going to continually swap out the front sight. Perhaps adjustable rear target sights.
Bracing the end of the barrel against the attacker's spleen makes the recoil less obnoxious, as well as less deafening.
If you are that close and he is in any way a professional you would likely lose. Anything less than 10’ is too close.
@@drizler Try THIRTY feet.
@@drizler try being carjacked!
great idea✓✓
Practice with light 38 loads then carry 357 rounds because you wont even care about recoil when its time to "get busy"....
I CCW a Ruger SP 101 5 shot 3 inch 357 mag, loaded with 125 JHP 357 mag rounds. I started with a 357 4 decades ago. It’s always been effective.
Many will opt for the .357 mag. however they will load .38 sp. or .38+p. Lots of options.
My Taurus 605 stainless chambered with 357 magnum works for me. Reliable, concealable, and comfortable. Best $350 for a gun I've spent.
I own & carry a Taurus 605 .357 magnum. I too carry the Federal HST 125 grain SJHP chambered in .357 magnum. I did replace the small Taurus grips with bigger better Hogue Grips for much better recoil & much better overall control. Fantastic revolver
I agree. Great little revolver. A real workhorse.
I carry the 605 as well love it
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My friend, may it be you have experienced .38 Special through that 605. My new purchase 856 is sittin at Sportsmans waitin for pick-up; in the mean time after much and considerable research, decided to solely use +p, range and defense_
Remington UMC Ammunition 38 Special +P 125 Grain JHP for range, the Remington Golden Saber Defence for carry. Also, the hefty 968 fps 329 mzl
Norma Range & Training 158 Grain FMJ (non +p) for to practice expertise with aim recovery.
I question, with such a long time, huge diet of +p through that 856... if I should best exchange for the Taurus 605 .357, but i've been obsessing losing that sixth round.
What thinks ye, if you'cn say.
~ Thanks
@@onewayup5 my personal opinion I would keep the 685. That one round capacity to me could be a life or death determination. A lot of folks do not prefer to shoot the .357 magnum due to recoil. Lots of great reviews on the .38+P ammunition for PD! I have .38 .38+P .357 magnum loads
My journey on the 357magnum has taught me always go for the bigger gun with the most weight as it will absorb recoil especially when using powerful 357 ammo, I started out with a LCR then a SP101, then a 2.5inch 686 plus , now I'm at what gives me the most control over stout magnum loads , and thats the 4inch GP100 which I do carry in a iwb holster
What kind of holster you use
@@tonyrebel63 I had to get a custom made kydex holster , that's the only downside , not a huge holster selection
686 plus 4" with Hornady Critical Defense is so smooth. Such a confident, accurate and Lethal defense recipe.
I'm with GP100 as well. Nice smooth trigger, when shooting under stress, you don't notice the weight.
great video, lots of real factual info. I know it's about the gun but over penetration should be mentioned as a concern. I have an sp101 3" that is ported. My woodland gun incase of black bear. Seems to fit the situation well.
This video is full of good information. Many people should see this before they go out and buy a 357 mag or 44 mag snubnose for concealed carry. I hear many people at the range. Say just go out and buy a large caliber pistol you'll stop anything. You won't stop anything if you can't control the pistol and hit the target..
Lots of men let their little head make dumb decisions
In the old west, it wasn't the fastest draw or the best shot that was most likely to survive a gun fight. It was the man that could keep calm and not lose his head while the bullets were flying.
Wasn't that a line from the movie Unforgiven?
I've got a 6 shot rossi 357 magnum with a 2½ inch barrel. I use 125 grain rounds and it is fairly comfortable to shoot.
I’ve got the 4” version.
So it’s a pocket pistol and how much you paid for it??
@@DeeInvisible1 I myself do not use it for a pocket pistol because it has the firing pin on the hammer but if someone is brave enough the yes it could be.
A .357 is a flame thrower and is very difficult to handle and effectively use. It”s not intended for concealed carry.
357 BAD NEWS
Years ago as a juror on a Grand Jury we dealt with a man charged with a serious felony assault. The shooter was cleared on a justifiable self defense shooting. He got into trouble after his 357 bullet went through the bad guy striking a woman that was in no way connected with the incident. Unfortunately the prosecutor cut off my questioning after I asked the arresting officer what kind of gun was it. The officer rapidly responded “357”. The prosecutor then gave me a lecture telling me this is a Grand Jury not CSI. The prosecutor told the officer several times “do not answer that” after the other jurors, myself included when we tried to get details of the shooting. I wanted to know and was unable to get a straight answer if the incident happened so fast. Did the shooter have enough time to consider what was behind the bad guy. I couldn’t even get a straight answer if the bad guy was holding a weapon. Despite mine and one other juror’s no vote, the indictment went forward. Later that day after arriving home. I removed the 38+P from my concealed carry revolver. Replacing the +Ps with standard 158gr lead round nose bullets. A few days later changing to standard velocity lead semi wad cutter HPs. I regret not following up to see if the self defense shooter was prosecuted. Hopefully if it went to trial he was not incarcerated. I might add the woman that was struck had minor emergency room surgery, kept overnight and released the following morning. I pleaded with the other jurors to use our subpoena power to call in witnesses or the shooter. It fell on deaf ears as all the female jurors and one male didn’t want to bother. Best summed up as one juror in the private session asked me “why does somebody need a powerful magnum he had to know how deadly it was”. She also remarked something about the shooter could have shot him in the arm or leg to just wound him. She is/ was a grade school cafeteria manager likely a hard core Lib.
Just about every caliber will pass through a human torso. Why? The average thickness of a human torso is 13".
On average a 9mm, 38spl., .357, .40 S&W, .45acp will pass through even using hollow points.
Why? The range. The average distance of an officer or civilian involved shooting is 10 yards. That close will get you over penetration.
*What State was this? Where I live (T E X A S) the victim cannot be prosecuted if an uninvolved third person is injured because of justified self defense. The attacker is criminally responsible, not a victim who defends her/himself.*
@@joeskeptical4762 Yes he can. You are responsible for every bullet you shoot. I just talked to a deputy friend he told me that if your bullet strikes a third uninvolved person you can be charged up to involuntary manslaughter
@@texassportsman5880 *This comment falls right in line with the “blame the victim” mentality. The lefty rot has invaded your thinking. Police can charge a ham sandwich with jaywalking if they want to BUT the DA cannot prosecute (i.e. take to trial) a victim forced to open fire in self defense. What happens if a person is pushed off a balcony, lands on an uninvolved third person who dies, but the victim survives? Charge the victim with involuntary manslaughter? To bring charges for involuntary manslaughter requires other improper, reckless, dangerous or imprudent behavior by the victim which results in the unintended death of an innocent person. Repairing or replacing roof damage but throwing debris off onto an unprotected sidewalk might be an example. Exercising Constitutional Rights (Texas Constitution Art 1 Clause 23) is not improper behavior in any way. Defending oneself with lethal force when attacked by same cannot result in criminal liability of the victim.*
@@keithgraham9547 The DA will file charges on the guy that accidentally shot a third uninvolved person.
Even if he's acquitted he can be sued by the victim or their family for wrongful death or serious bodily injury.
Suppose he is convicted he can be sued anyway.
That's why there's a huge responsibility that goes with firearm ownership and use. We are and always will be responsible for each bullet that's fired from our guns.
We must always know what's behind the intended target.
Those that don't care and want to do a magazine dump when someone tries to commit a crime against us will make all of us look bad especially to those who are on the fence about the 2A.
I carried the model 60 until I shot and fell in love with the model 640. The ergonomics of the 640 allows me to glean additional support from my dominant thumb.
As the experienced operator of snub nose revolvers I must concur; that copious amounts of practice is essential in becoming a proficient snub nose pistolero.
Love my 640 for 30 years and I carry several extra speed loaders
Wow, this was the best video I've seen on this subject. Rodney explained everything thoroughly and in easy-to-understand language. It would be a privilege to take lessons from someone with his level of expertise. I've been shooting firearms since I was six and even I learned a couple things. Excellent video.
I carry a Ruger SP101 in .357 and I carry it with .38+P. It’s a nice trade off.
My Ruger SP101 357 revolver does have significant recoil, especially when firing full power loads. Replacing the stock grips with a Hogue Monogrip has made a world of difference. in addition to allowing a more complete grip (flesh on the gun) and a non-slip grip surface (more gun in the hand), the fact that the grip fills in the immediate area behind the trigger guard (recoil can brutalized the middle finger) makes a substantial difference in perceived recoil and muzzle control.
Agree. 26 ounces is just about right. I edc the same gun. Have the hogue. Also changed out to 10 lb spring with a wolf kit.
That was an informative presentation, thanks. I carried a SW 38 most of my 27 year US Army Career. When on base/off base I carried the 38 EDC and in Combat 1911/Beretta 9mm, HK MP5, a shot gun of various lengths and my 38 as a backup. Please to be kind to others and stay safe.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, Sir.
I have owned a S&W model 13 in .357 with a 4 inch barrel for nearly 50 years. I find the fixed sites accurate to 50+ yards. I learned how to reload my own ammo and found that a 115 grain hollow point in front of Blue Dot powder provided high velocity and manageable recoil. Though sometimes a challenge to conceal it has served me well.
50yrds?? That's truly impressive!
This was an excellent tutorial! One of my EDC pistols is a Chiappa Rhino 4" 357. 6 rounds, and reload with a speed loader. It's very comfortable to shoot 357, combat-effective hits out to 15 yards standing. It's the mate for my Henry Big Boy 357 X gun.
Great video. Very informative and reality based. After nearly 40 years of carry on & off duty your points are very well taken. Thanks for sharing
I bought my Ruger SP101 3" back in 2011 & the blast caught me by surprise. I will admit it took a lot of practice with it. I've since put some Hogue rubber grips & a lighter spring kit now it handles everything like a champ.
Thanks for watching the channel and I am with you.......the wallop is a surprise especially if you haven't shot it in awhile. Always a good way to wake up though. Thanks again and we appreciate your comments.
The BLAST is why I sold mine.
I got a 4 inch model and did the same upgrades along with a full internal polish of trigger and hammer mechanism. It is so smooth and light on the trigger. If your interested there is a RUclips tutorial for it. Stay safe.
That’s the one!
Yeah got the same one. Use the Hogue grips. When I want practice loads I use 38 Special
Rodney, it is so refreshing to see someone on RUclips who has thought about what they wish to say before they make a video. Your presentations are excellent. I've just subscribed to your chnnel.
After teaching for a living for four decades in addition to being a law enforcement officer, I can say there is nothing wrong with a good revolver for the average citizen who is not into guns. Like another commenter here, a .38 snub stood me in good stead in a dark alley in 1979, and even with some ammunition that wasn't ideal, I put down two men with a Chief's Special. I'm glad it was just two, and I immediately thereafter bought a Detective Special. I was required to use a .38 revolver, and I wanted that extra shot. I relegated my five shot revolvers after that to backup gun status. As for distances encountered in citizen defense gun uses, Tom Givens has some good information for you on that as well. You are right that it's farther than many think. Simple averages misrepresent the range of possibilities..
As yo say though, the .357 Magnum is designed to live in a larger gun and in fact was originally intended for big game hunting by its inventor. It is more than a handful in a small revolver. That combination might be just fine for a cop to pull off his ankle from the ground after he has lost his primary weapon, to use at point blank range, but not as one's primary gun. Almost everyone I've seen on the range with one has very shortly reverted to .38 Special ammunition, which isn't a bad idea, but given what the little Magnums sell for it seems wasteful. I think I'd rather have a six shot steel gun like the Detective Special (I guess that would be a Cobra now) if I didn't want an autoloader and needed a simple snub nosed gun for ciizen self defense. If it proves to be reliable, a Taurus 856 has promise in the budget range. Another way in which the .38 is superior in a small revolver occurs if you have to reload. Very few small Magnums have an ejector rod long enough to completely clear an empty Magnum case, and you end up starting your stressed reload with the old "Slap and Pluck." This slows things down considerably
Another problem that may have just been solved is in the area of ammunition. The vast majority of .357 Magnum ammo we see today is full power, because that is what "Magnum shooters" seem to want to buy. Seldom do they realize how hard this stuff is to use under realistic time pressure in situations where you simply cannot miss, such as urban carry. What is needed is a round that offers a clear advantage over .38 Special +P, but still can be controlled. I had some luck with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel .357 Magnum, but finding it in stock anywhere is almost impossible.
But there is a load that is quite good in a .357 snub, and effectively turns our little blaster into a good 9mm +P level of performance. It is the Remington Golden Saber 125 grain .357 Magnum. This load gives about 1220 fps from a four inch gun, and I get 1100 from a snubbie. The only problem is that in its last days, Remington discontinued the load after marketing a bonded bullet version to law enforcement that failed to sell well. Now that Vista has acquired Remington ammunition, they have brought it back in 20 round boxes packaged for private citizens. They have confirmed for me that this load is the same as the old non-bonded round. Back in the 90's the early boxes were marked "Medium Velocity" but this seemed to hurt sales so Remington removed that designation.A medium velocity .357 load is exactly what we need for the small Magnum revolvers.
Some have criticized this load in the past because it can suffer jacket/core separation, but they fail to realize that this only occurs at the end of the bullet's travel and is meaningless for citizen self defense. In retirement I sometimes carry a revolver as my walk around gun, usually in the form of an old S&W Model 19 2 1/2 inch revolver with this load in it. I've also shot it in a Ruger SP101 and a Model 640. It is quite controllable in all of them. It seems to give similar performance to a 9mm 124 grain +P load, and we know there is nothing wrong with that. This might be a solution for those who insist on carrying Magnum ammo in a little gun.
Solid comment as always.
Any thoughts regarding Rossi’s RP63?
.357 comes into it's own at 3" barrel mark w hot 125 grain, I put a lot of ballistics data in my Is a 7-shot 3" .357 magnum a viable CCW vid! Under 2 1/2" a 9mm Revo probably just if not more effective more expansion faster split times.
I have a Ruger SP101 3" & I totally agree. It was my CCW carry for a long time.
I've been shooting my Roger sp101 3" barrel with both 357 mag and 38 special and enjoy shooting both. The weight of this revolver makes the 357 mag shooting pleasent.. I carry this as my concealed and have so for 2 years. I also keep my speed loaders handy and with practice, reloading is fast. Spend time on the range.
I had a Dan Wesson 8" barrel stainless back in the 1980's. 158 gr rounds still packed a wallop. It was mainly a fun range gun. It did shoot 38 specials very very accurately.
@@keithgraham9547 Yup. Those wheelguns are accurate indeed.
As a novice to revolvers I went with Ruger GP 100 with 5 inch barrel as it looked just amazing.
Soon after I realized no way in hell I can conceal this beast in summer time comfortably or at all most days.
But as a choice for most daily edc I go with revolver since I bought another one with 2 inch barrel.
No slide to mess with or safety.
357 round is just best option as I see it compared to others so is 38 special and fact they can shoot both rounds adds to functionality and versatility.
357 fired out of a lever rifle is also great as you can use same round for both firearms and even hunt with it.
5 inch gp 100 is a rare size beautiful gun. It's a home defense or range gun. If you polish it with your free time it will get really beautiful and never sell it. Ask me how I know 😉
Open carry, solves revolver size issues and comfort of daily carry.
I’ve been shooting revolvers, especially the .357 for 40 years and everything you’ve mentioned in this video is absolutely fact!
I do carry a .357 and its a S&W 66-2 snub in appendix.
An excellent choice indeed - 😎
I love front pocket carry with S&W m&p340 and 360pd. Switching grips to a wraparound Pachmayr helps with recoil, and are still slim enough for the pocket. And 125 gr 38+p helps balance power and recoil…light , reliable and quick make the kick in the palm worth it.
I front pocket my 360 PD as well and prefer it over the 340, because it allows me to anchor my thumb on the hammer for control and safety when drawing it. It's a handful with 38 plus p's and is unbearable with .357's. Furthermore, I've heard of some folks having reliability issues with the scandium/alloy J frames with regards to the cylinder binding up.
Man you said it all. It is my carry, for all the same reasons. I love my 3" python. I say, if something is too heavy, man up and lift some weights.
Use the SP101 2 1/4" barrel for a carry revolver. It's used on small game when using 38spl and with 357mag it's pretty easy to use. It's not an issue to make 50yd shots and I find this revolver easy to use. The small game hunting really helped getting proficient.
I carry a S&W 649 sometimes and I like the fact that even though it is primarily a double action revolver, It has a bobbed hammer that can be cocked for single action if so desired. It is not a light weight gun but it shoots so good.
I own and carry that S&W scandium revolver and it is no joke! 90% of the time I load it with .38 +p. One of my favorite things to do while at the local fire range is to invite all the tough guys to "come shoot my little gun"! Its a humbling experience.
I love the 357, I like a man stopper. Practice practice practice.
Same here S&W 340s practice practice.
I bought my Scandium 340 when they first came out quite a few years ago and I agree with you-Painful. Much more so than an N frame 44 Magnum. I’ve kept it loaded exclusively with 38 +P’s for years (which are still quite attention getting given it’s weight, Lol).
I have no problem with an all steel 357 Magnum J frame and my model 640-1 is one of my favorite firearms.
I have a scandium snub nose 44. I'm a recoil junkie, but I consider it a 44spl +p defense pistol.
Had a 642 in 38 Special, now an M&P 340. I love the light weight for carry. As everything is always a compromise, one must decide what is needed for one’s situation, dress, and abilities. Love these videos!
So light you don't know it's there. The Crimson Trace grips are an excellent upgrade.
Great video! This was very educational. Thank you!
I love my Ruger SP101, I modified my springs to make it even better, huge difference.
A revolver is a great EDC gun. You must practice and a crimson trace laser will help in rapid acquisition of the target. If you practice enough you’ll learn the problem of the locked cylinder and how to quickly get your weapon back in action. Reloading is an important skill to master in poor lighting.
Learning to reload while moving/running is also useful.
I used to conceal carry with a SW Model 19 with a 2.5" barrel. This was the standard duty gun I was issued when I was on MSG duty back in the late 80s. I purchased the same gun a few years ago and was reminded how svelte the gun still is compared to a lot of the compact 9mm out there. Plan on using it again for conceal carry during the winter months as soon as I find a good holster that I like.
K6 Kimber is my main choice
FBI’s research show’s 70% of all attacks take place within 12 feet. 357 accuracy differs not much that close.
My EDC is the 640 Smith with the large grips and no rear sight just a trench up to the front sight nothing to snag coming out of my pocket. When training with this gun I use the 38's when I carry it it's loaded with the fast burn hollow point 357 rounds.
Many years ago, the first handgun I purchased was a .38/357 magnum Colt Lawman with a 2-inch barrel. It was a great concealed carry gun but I was never able to shoot with it accurately. I eventually replaced it with a 5-inch barrel 38 special revolver and a 6-inch barrel 357 magnum revolver. My accuracy improved with the longer barrel revolvers.
You are so right. I did however muscle memory myself to hold my rossi 461 2" snubby very, very tight and got way better with it. 2.5" groups at 12yrds.😏
I worked in the Justice System briefly and an Army sniper friend of mine got me into range shooting. We'd go to the range, burn some powder then have a few pops at the blues bar down the street. He used a Baretta 9mm and I competed with my '74 model 66. I'd outshoot him every week and it was really hard for him to take. He'd switch weapons periodically and it made no difference. No matter what he brought to the range my model 66 was King. He ended up switching to a wheel gun.
Just carry it with .38 Special. That has been the gun and caliber for decades. Put .357 Mag. when in the woods.
Outstanding explanation. Thank you 🙏
Nothing beats the stopping power of a S&W 640 or a Taurus 605...I have both for conceal and carry... especially for those wild bear encounters..if you know you know
Nothing? Really, nothing?
I purchased a Taurus 605 a few weeks ago. I absolutely love the revolver!!!! I did replace the Taurus grips on my revolver with bigger Hogue grips. Much better recoil & control!! I carry Remington HTP .357 magnum 125 grain SJHP for my EDC.
Taurus 605 is a great gun but even loaded with buffalo bore 180 grain 357. Hardcast.. i would still prefer more gun if i had no choice but to face a bear. If it's all you had it may save you but i'd get a 10mm semi auto or a 4-6" full size 6-7 shot revolver. Take care
@@youngboyharless9769 yes agree on the bigger gun bear thing!!! Bears can be very vicious animals
Thank you for such a great video I use a Rock Island snub-nose revolver .38 easy on the hands, no painful shockwave after spending a day at the range. That's one of the reason I choose .38 over .357 when dealing with a smaller lighter revolver.... Great information I am looking in a full size 357 Magnum revolver with a 4 to 6 in barrel, which I will use both .38 and 357 ammo.
Thanks for your excellent review. I bought the secual order S/W N-Frame snubbies 327 titanium built and 627 stainless stell built. They were a pleasure to shoot at the range and they didnt pound my hands at all surprisingly. I had 6 in barrel S/W revolver and man it was hard on the hands. If you need a 357 for short distances and thses snubbies are heavy 327 a little lighter and they can handle the 357 rds. Thx for your review😊
I usually watch similar videos and am left thinking, ..they must not have very much experience. This video is 100% truth! Thank you for making an informative video that is true and to the point and knowing 100% what you are talking about!!
Great video. You covered things people don’t think of.
The information in this video is valid and well told. Personally I don't believe a 2" barrel is long enough to take advantage of the 357 magnum cartiridge. The two inch revolver is a viable dependable concealed carry weapon. If this is your choice buy in 357 Magnum and make sure it is a steel frame, remember the weight is better comment. Then use 38 Plus P ammo. And practice often with a compentent coach or instructor. And if you want to give yourself a little more edge, buy one of these guns with a 3 inch barrel. The lenght is not that great of difference for carry purposes. But extremely useful in shooting. Whatever you choose practice. Rodney's presentation in this video caused me to subscribe to his channel. I've of the era of the gentleman commenting below. And also a retired police officer. A five shot J frame S&W was my backup gun of choice. My duty weapon was a 1911 in 45 ACP. Keep up the good work Rodney.
I have a S&W 640 Pro. I put Underwood 38 Special +P in mine. So that's pretty potent. I also swapped out for a larger grip. Just long enough for my pinky to fit. It's only slightly longer than the stock boot grip.
I live in California where our hand gun roster list really limits our choices.
EDIT: I also did a trigger job in it. Lowered the spright weights and stoned certain contact points on the hammer and other parts.
The 640 Pro is an outstanding choice. I wouldn't consider it limiting.
I carry a model 60 .357 every day and it handles my 125 grain 357 rounds quite well! I love shooting it!
I carry a Taurus 605, 357 and it use PMC 158 grain. Its a beauty to shoot. Just got to make sure you keep practicing.
I have the same Gun . I have got used to the 357 round. Love that gun !
@@carlperry5932 Besides being a loud sounding round, it sure does punches holes when they are needed. I just pray that I never have to shoot some one.
I carry a Taurus 605 loaded with Remington HTP 125 grain SJHP chambered in .357 magnum!! No issues at all!!
380 and 9 are better concealed carry rounds for sure. The .357 is a round that when used only one needed. All .357 handguns can use 38. It is quite perfect for self defense. 9MM is fine as is 380. Have a .357 and a 9 mm and cover a few bases. Every gun owner should have a wheel gun, a plastic and a shotgun. AR-15 and a Deer rifle.
A very thorough, informative and balanced assessment. Thank you very much.
I live in Ohio which is a constitutional carry state. I can open carry or conceal if I want with no permit needed. I do carry my .357. It's a GP100 with a 6 inch barrel. I have a galco VHS 4.0 shoulder unit for it. It is a heavy gun and I feel the weight of it but if I ever have a bear or coyote pack run up on me while I'm in the woods or on my property I know I'll be able to deal with it.
There is so much information out there when it comes to revolvers and semi autos.
But at the end of the day you have to use what you feel comfortable with.
And I pray that if you ever have to use your weapon of choice, that it does save your life.
Take care and GOD bless.
Got away from the .357 several yrs ago because of the abusive kick, bag and flash. Went to the .45.
But ive come full circle since. I have an S&W M360 thats my edc/backup. Im familiar with it and its character/nature and know what to expect.
Sizeand weight is my explanation.
I love my .357 magnum Taurus 605 snubby
I have a scandium 44 magnum. I also love shooting a 4" 500 magnum.
The best snub imo is the Kimber k6S. Good trigger, good recoil control, heavy, smooth, sexy. Better than its competition
Very informative video! Thanks for your helpful insight. Knowledge is king!
Both wife and myself don't really have the strength or the wrist strength for every day carry of the .357 magnum after watching this video thanks, We currently have 9mm semi autos and realized size matters. The m&p shield + seems to be a lot less accurate compared to the 4" IWI Massada 9mm. She perfers something smaller but I am worried about will it have enough to do the job going to a smaller caliber with easier recoil. Can you make a recommendation something smaller with less recoil ? we both love semi's but love revolvers as well. Was considering giving up on the smaller gun get a longer barrel heavier gun just not sure which way to go. Have not ruled out a .22 lr or mag in a revolver. Could really use some advice. Thanks for your time in advance.
My Ruger, SP 101 357 with a 3 inch barrel was my carry a gun in 1992…… I have bought many guns since then, but my wife and I still enjoy shooting 38 Caliber out of it. Good to know I could use 357 as an option…… The older I get the more important comfort becomes. My carry gun now is either a Smith & Wesson snubnose or a 380 pocket pistol.
Good information and well said !
I’ve carried and used the .357 mag for 57 years !
I like gun weight with that ctg !
My choice for the past 22 years is the model S&W 586 ! Sure it fall in the weight of 42 ounces , I really don’t mine that weight !
Bullet weights and construction are a matter of choice !
I used to do this. Then I learned better 😅Thank you. I enjoy your videos. Your language and presentation are very good 👍
Yep, I have a S&W 360PD. It’s a sweet little gun and I love it, but shooting a 12 OZ gun loaded with 357M is brutal!
I carry a big honkin’ Ruger Redhawk 2.6” snub with 8 round cylinder . I like it IWB and I never feel under gunned
Love listening to your videos, very nice presentation.
What would be the ideal caliber for concealed carry? I’m a bit confused with many options. 38 special?, 327 fed magnum? Or 22 magnum? Thank you!
I’ve been carrying Springfield XD40’s but recently bought a Ruger SP101 .357 3” to replace my Taurus 605 .357 2”. I think I’ll be carrying my Ruger SP101 most of the time. I’m not really a semi guy🤷🏻♂️
Great video! I have 3 inch matte stainless Taurus 605 357. It is my EDC and is good to go at shorter range (30-40 feet). It does take concentration to shoot, but delivers over 400 lb-ft of force to the target with 158 grain 357 rounds. It was very snappy until I swapped to Pachmayr grips and now it shoots well without breaking my hand/wrist. The first round is generally spot on, but recoil does affect getting it back on target quickly. Concentration on sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control are key.
In cooler weather, when I am wearing a jacket or coat, I carry a .357 with a 4 in. barrel in a shoulder holster. My choice is an old Ruger Security Six. I've had it since the early 80's. It's a little shorter and lighter than the newer GP100. In warmer months, I carry the Ruger LCRx in the .38 Special +P
I often carry a .357 Magnum S&W Nightguard 8 shot snubnose loaded with hollow points 38+P. With the right holster and gun it easy to carry.
Meant to say that with the right holster and gun belt it is pretty easy to carry.
My wife has a hard time racking my semi autos. Everyone from 380 to 45. A snub nose is the only option for her. A hammerless 357 is what I plan to get her. She can shoot 38+p and be fine. But it will have the option of 357 ammo. As far as accuracy, the snub will get someone off of you, or get them to release you. And there's no stovepipe to clear, just keep pulling the trigger until he lets go.
My wife had the same problem racking the slide. I got her a Ruger LCP lite rack 22lr. Worst mistake I ever made. Between failure to feeds and lite strikes it is not reliable. Now I have to purchase a aftermarket spring kit for a brand new gun.
I really don't mind my taurus 605.
I carry a sw 686 plus three inch barrel everyday of
My life and it is very accurate
I carry a s&w model 19-5 357 snub all day, everyday. Nothing is more comfortable than a revolver for iwb carry than a revolver and old school steel and wood is damn sexy.
I've seen a 38 failed to make it all the way through a thick leather jacket before. Unless you're an old granny I recommend 357 Magnum hollow points. My gun of choice would be the Ruger SP 100 hammerless 3 in. That thing is built like a tank. Now granted I'm a big guy but I felt very little recoil with full load 357. It pretty much reminded me of one of those light carry guns using 38 Special. And the Ruger SP 100 especially hammerless is an excellent concealed carry. I used to carry it in my right pocket of my jeans.
Agree 100%. However edc 357m is one of my choices. If you haven’t fired 357m in a confined space (house, etc). You should def do it before you edc. I highly recommend range time after sundown so you know what to expect in the dark.
I can tell you this from experience. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of 357m in the dark or confined space. it is a very unpleasant experience.
Especially while your trying to clear a malfunction.
Most of my life a 357 was my only handgun. Currently I have a King Cobra but "only" put 38 wadcutters in it. I shoot it better with the lighter loads. 357 blows my sights a good distance off my aim point and I have to make considerable effort to get it back on target. I have a Python that is much heavier and it has no problem running full power 357 defense ammo. I have 22 to 44 magnum to choose from and find 357 to be the most powerful handgun that can still be carried concealed. I do edc.
Been carrying a j frame smith with a new york reload for years.
Always I ended carrying 357 revolvers. Even I've got many other guns.
Always coming back to 357.
you're not a revo guy... got it..... agree that small frame revos may not be the best fit for a novice... but, in the hands of an experienced shooter.. they have a long history of being very effective, concealable, and versatile .....I never feel "undergunned" when carrying one.
Thank You for the honesty and informative video, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge.
I love the revolvers also, and I do agree with you that there are better options today for EDC.
Informative & accurate explanation on 357 caliber round in small frame gun. Best I’ve seen on RUclips. Higher powered ammo is harder to control in smaller guns! Heavier frames are always easier to handle hotter rounds.
Yeah I wish I took the store owners comment about how hard 357 kicks more seriously but hey I can also shoot 38 special in my secondary carry I'll keep this in mind whenever I run out of 357
If someone where to choose a 357, what would be your recommendation on barrel length?
I would go no less than a 3 inch barrel....but my preference is the 4 inch
Read several comments and how people feel the 357 it’s too much gun when you pull the trigger. Well, you know you can use 38 special ammo in that same gun and it enjoyable at that point, and works great for practicing and getting used to the gun and then if you’re gonna use it for Kerry, then put the 357 in there!
I agree with a lot of what he says.
I bought a j frame 640 just for the factory dovetaild night sights. Just like he says, .357 magnums are downright painful in this gun. You get a crazy amount of blast and recoil for very little ballistic performance over a .38 Special +P in this short barrel gun. The .38+p is comparible to a 9mm and adequate for personal defense.
Don't try to stack the bouble action revolver trigger. The secret to shooting a double action revolver is to start with a death grip on the gun. Squeeze the trigger straight through till it fires without the sights coming off target. Once you master the double action revolver, you can shoot anything.
My eaa snubby windicator in .357 is a tank very heavy it handles 180 grain jhp just fine. Previously I was using a Taurus 605 now that was a snappy hand wrecker.
I have the 60-14 in 357 and at the range, I practice double tap point shooting with full loads and it is awesome. mind you, I am 75 yrs old and have been shooting since I was 18yrs old when I joined the Army in 1966/1969. I also exercise daily to keep up with good arm strength, any sport requires good physical condition. so aside from training with a weapon! you need good physical strength to handle it. So! the less strength the smaller your caliber should be for total control. heavier calibers require really good strength and arm control. the term limp wristing = weak hand strength.
S&W 649 w/125 grn hornady xtp handloads to est 1300fps. Recoil very managable. I did experience all your cons, but practice has overcome them to make my self defense accuracy @ 10-20 yards very acceptable. Very imformative video. Will be re-visiting your channel.
Looking at S&W 327 pc 8 round 357 snub nose , 23oz
Good video and agree with all your points. I would add that the flash and blast also have to be considered. What is not an issue on a brightly lit range becomes blinding in low-light conditions and the sound pressure levels indoors are noticeably greater than with more moderate cartridges. My experience with shooting a Magnum handgun outdoors without hearing protection was not habit-forming and I absolutely would not want to touch one off indoors.
I carry my Chiappa Rhino 200ds with the up-most confidence that I'm well armed. With a couple of speed strips, It would be bad news for the bad guy.
I carry Smith & Wesson m&p model 340 I know what you mean by unpleasant to shoot but I switched out the grip to a hogue tamer grip and it really calmed it down and made such a difference still a handful at the range but definitely can get back on target a lot easier I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world and great video by the way keep them coming 👍
I love my Model 19 3” yes some times my wrist gets very sore at the range 357 has been a good load for me great Presentation
I started my LEO career with a 38 special. The 9mm is great. Large capacity and lighter on recoil compared with full powered 357. With that said, I shoot the 38/357 quite well. That is because my snubbed 357’s are all magna-ported. Makes the 357 shoot like a 38+P. I carry 2 eight Tuff cartridge strips for reloading.
I’m looking at getting a Ruger sp101, just can’t decide if I want in snub nose or 3in Barrel 🤔
Go with 2.5" barrel with 125 gr. Hollow points.
I have both. Gave the 3inch SP101 to my son, recently. I train alot with my 2 1/4 SP101. Use 125g JHP. train only with 357 mag loads. I find the recoil very managable and the grip quite effective . I have speedloaders. I totally agree that it is not for everybody, and that it takes effort to do it well. If clothing allows larger gun, then I do so. But I like that the small SP101 is concealable with about any clothing.
Many great points here. Excellent presentation.
Just started my 2023 of by picking up my new K6S Kimber 2 inch barrel
I have a S&W Model 640-1 Pro Series. (.357 stainless steel with 2" barrel)
It is heavy (about 22oz) which helps with recoil management, but it certainly is no fun to shoot .357 heavy grain bullets. Even with lighter 125gr rounds, it stops being fun after about 2 cylinders. As you pointed out, it is limited to 5 shots and takes some time and skill to reload at a fast enough rate to help if you actually needed more than 5 rounds.
With all that said, I love mine, and carry it frequently, but I also always carry an LCP in my pocket with 2 spare magazines. (The .357 is the primary, with the LCP being the backup when/if the wheel gun runs empty. - I carry the LCP setup, even if I am carrying a full-size auto on my hip)
For the wheel gun, I carry 125gr HP .357 rounds in it. I am not super proficient with it, but I can readily maintain 3" groups at 7 yards at speed. I would not feel super confident making a 40-50 foot (or farther) head shot with it, but a body shot would be doable for me.
I primarily carry it when I will be in a car for extended periods. I wear it horizontal at the 12 o'clock position and it is super comfortable that way and conceals completely with my shirt untucked. (I have tried small auto's this way, but have on a couple of occasions activated the mag release while sitting when my shirt or pants bunched and pressed against it. (and no - the mag release should not be covered by the kydex holster in autos!)
My wife is about 4'10" at about 105 pounds with super tiny and super weak hand strength. The only thing she is comfortable shooting is a .22 and she carries a S&W model 317 (super light-weight 8-shot revolver with just under 2" barrel)
She actually shoots it well, and can keep 6 of the 8 rounds in a 3" circle with a couple stretching out to about 6" if she hurries the shots. - Yes, I know a .22LR is not ideal, but I am 100% sure it would be better than her not being armed at all. (She can manipulate the easy-rack .380 autos I have, but she does not like them and has not been able to master the failure drills with any of them, and as a result, she only feels good with her little .22) - I am just glad she has recently adopted being responsible for her own safety and that she got her CCL. Only this year I have convinced her that she had to modify her wardrobe to accommodate her gun, rather than continue to dress for fashion and be forced to leave her gun behind. (She knows I HATE it when she carries in her purse, so she has been carrying on her strong side hip OWB) She is still not carrying 100% of the time, but she is up to about 70%.
Just thought I would add my thoughts/experiences with the wheel-gun snubbies.
Great video.