AARP v. Raytheon
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- A 67-year-old Virginia man sued Raytheon on Tuesday for age discrimination, claiming that the aerospace giant illegally favors recent college graduates over older workers in its hiring process.
The AARP Foundation, the charitable wing of the national advocacy group for older adults, filed the case in U.S. District Court on behalf of Mark Goldstein. The suit alleges that Goldstein applied to many positions at Raytheon since 2019, but was never offered an interview - “based on his age.” The AARP Foundation is seeking to make the lawsuit a class action on behalf of other possible plaintiffs.
They're hiring recent graduates? Are you sure they don't require 10+ years of experience?
yea I was hired by raytheon this is not discrimination im more skilled than the older workers haha 😂
It’s probably better to hire younger people too because they are better equipped to program and design weapons
@KD0MOO that's not surprising. We may have microplastics in our balls, but grandpa has microplastics in his balls AND lead brain 😂
@@KD0MOOyou also have less of a moral compass ❤
@@tails7799 well what do you expect from someone working for a defense contractor?
I mean, technically you can graduate college at any age.
Maybe the Raytheon lawyers can use this
Exactly the older generation cannot keep up with the changing technology. They don't want to go back to school. They actually can't afford it either and that's with well-paying jobs
@kimberlydudman2296 nobody can afford it dude, do you think the younger generation actually has more money?
Yeah but it's a numbers game. Howmany older people are graduating versus younger?
@@kimberlydudman2296 It's the older generation that developed the changes in technology that the recent grads learned about in college.
“New graduate” “looking for 4-7 years of industry experience”
That’s a ploy to scare people away from applying. Cause obviously they understand a college graduates don’t have that level of experience. Then those who aren’t afraid to apply without that level experience they pick their best option.
But I did have that now I have 13+ experience and finishing my master's soon. I'm still trying to get a high level job. But high school grads get the job for some reason and then can't do the job and quit.....
@@KYLLZONEEme fckn too. Except I recently got the masters.
Yeah, I feel like they should be simultaneously sued by a 23 year old who who also has been applying for 3 years and never got a job offer based on age and years of experience.
Let's get real - the companies want unpaid internships at the bottom for 10 years and then to kick you out once you hit 45.
Raytheon is pretty good at hiring actual new grads
Yet if a place wants 10 years experience in a job that realistically doesn’t need it it’s not age based discrimination, got it
It's only legally age discrimination if it's excluding people forty and above. No law protects young people against age discrimination.
@@sirdeadlock
Not in Canada whoo! You can only discriminate against minors when hiring and that makes sense as there are A LOT of labour protections for minors. In fact, in Canada, there has been companies that have been fined for the requiring x amount of experience under age discrimination laws.
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@@sirdeadlock Fact is it makes sense too...Old people can't work as much, a lot of times as well.....This is a cutting edge US defense contractor.....They don't need old folks who just need a check to build up their retirement...They need sharp people. This stuff and affirmative action are a joke. The people that can best work the job should get it....companies shouldn't be checking their employee list like "oh no, we don't have enough geriatrics to fill our roster, go hire some useless nursing home patients that badly do their job and bring everything down" or "oh jeez, we don't have enough of this race or that race, I guess we'll outsource from people 30 miles away just so we can fit into the diversity laws"
@@gamingwhilebroken2355real anti discrimination laws aaannnddd maple syrup?
On the other hand, if they posted "must be 40+ years old" that would be entirely legal, since there's no age discrimination law protecting young people.
Edit: Before jumping in to say I'm wrong, look up § 1625.2 and then look for the definition of age discrimination according to your local laws. Age discrimination law applies to people of all ages, meaning nobody (even older people) are allowed to discriminate when dealing with people age 40+; it doesn't mean people of all ages are protected.
But it's still "Those damn lazy kids fault" For not "wanting" to work
Huh, that's kinda interesting, learn something new everyday!
No there actually is. The same laws that protect young ppl protect old ppl. Age discrimination applies regardless of age
@@DimT670 I'm looking at § 1625.2 Discrimination prohibited by the Act. What are you looking at?
@@sirdeadlockhe's not looking at anything he's just talking
I'm just going to point out the Irony in the American Association of RETIRED Persons, suing on the behalf of someone who is apparently still WORKING.
I guess they are discriminating and only focusing on old people.
You don't have to be retired to be a member. Also, they're a well-known lobbying group of a lot of issues that affect older Americans, not just retirees.
@@EvyTallWoman , what a stupid remark. Do you also think the American Cancer Society is discriminating against people who have Alzheimers?
@@movingforwardLDTH they would be discriminating sick people. This is different than discriminating against sick people.
@@EvyTallWomanoh ok so it’s all good if they only hire white employees then since they’re not discriminating against other people but instead just discriminating between groups of people. I hope you can see why your logic/composition is massively flawed.
There is currently a shortage of younger workers in military procurement. These hiring policies are designed to address the issue.
exactly
But the lawsuit doesn't involve any procurement positions, and Raytheon is production far more than procurement. And you can't break the law regardless.
@@dimitrikemitskyIt doesn't break any laws this will get thrown out. Collage graduate doesn't mean young. Also why would a defence contractor want a 60 year old with barely any experience who hasn't been trained on new technology to work for them? This entire thing is ridiculous
@@derekhenschel3191, "Why would a defense contractor want a 60 year old ..." Yeah, agree has *nothing* to do with it /sarcasm.
But way to assume he's not qualified!
"Since 2019, Goldstein has applied to numerous recent graduate positions at Raytheon. For each position, Goldstein met all the qualifications except being a recent college graduate and having more than the relevant work experience sought. For all of these positions, Goldstein was never invited to interview."
They probably want young people so they can pay them less, btw.
@@zachb.6179 doubt it older people are payed less over all specifically because they Believe in the myth of getting paid more the longer you work for a company. Also I highly doubt he was as qualified as they claim unless he was recently back to school. The industry has advanced and someone with experience from 10 years ago isn't qualified anymore without more training and schooling to bring them back up to speed
As a contractor for a defense company. I can say without any problem that hiring older personal is a problem and I mean 60+ years because they never leave until they drop dead.. And it just hold off jobs for younger generations from getting experience in those said jobs. I've had many run in over the years with guys that are 70+ and still not even thinking of retiring.. It's a weird world
Same experience. And if management implies that they need to train someone to eventually replace them (since they'll leave eventually one way or another), they get indignant and refuse to be a part of it.
Why are you a contractor for a defence company?
@@Ma_Zhongying because money?
@@orphen193 Were there no other jobs available?
@@Ma_Zhongying not in Korea lol as an American that is besides English teacher but that pays pennies..
Can we instead sue the entry level jobs which need 10 years of experience? That is the real age discrimination which leads to high youth unemployment (the most unemployed age bracket)
Then work your way up like the people with ten years of experience did.
@@JV-mw7gv what part of entry level do you not understand?
@sonicmeerkat all of it
Also the guy been saying 'research' but not even showing the name
@@fulcrum2951 just glad they're not the type to go "erm where's your evidence" while providing none of their own lol
Legit get vexed by that anti argument.
@@sonicmeerkat
In Canada we actually do have anti-discrimination age laws and unlike in the USA it doesn’t only pertain to people over the age of 40. So in Canada you can’t say, “no students,” or as in your example using out of proportion experience requirements to deny younger applicants.
Now it still happens, but companies have to be a lot more careful and not do it too frequently
Its chronically known that most working in the defense industry are older and aging. These companies desperately need younger and newly educated workers to get going into the future. Im not saying its right, but its a well known issue in the industry
Of course it’s fucking right
It's a problem is several industries. Trade skills, and construction workers have the same problem for decades.
@@Shauntheduke.they are saying morally right. Which I would say it is not. Because these companies should not exist. Their premise is horrific.
The day humans become perfect angels, we can stop all military industries. But meanwhile in the real world, these companies are definitely need.
Especially when gov is inefficient as hell at money management
@@ellieahearn4055morally right do not really matter on the simple fact that we live in the real world where people are bad and have different moral codes. I,m not saying what they do is good but I am saying that we need some of them
honestly, a company that specialises in military weapons should hire younger people because they’re the ones that have to live in the world after it’s all blown up
And us old people want to make sure there is a world for you to live in…. Also, experience
That company shouldn't exist in the first place. Privatizing the military is completely incomprehensible
Preach
@@gertrudelisehahn2996idk about that bud, check congress for starters
@@gertrudelisehahn2996 If you want to make sure that there is a world for other people to live in, don't vote for the right (In the US, the republicans). Also, don't invest in fossil fuels.
It's not discrimination based on age, due to the ever changing requirements in the military field, they favor recent graduates of more modern educations, so if 3 60 year olds applied having just graduated from current relevant college courses, they'd likely be hired on the dot.
Guess what. There are 55 and over communities. If they’re worried about discrimination end housing discrimination.
Surely it’s a good thing to favour graduates for certain positions? Older people have already had the opportunity to get experience in the workplace
They're not overly concerned with social benefits, though. That's not why they do it.
Take notes from the british motorcycle industry. They failed to catch up to the newest generation of motorcycles, starting in the 1970's, cuz they didn't feel the need to teach young workers and kept the ones that'd been with them since the 1960's. Fast forward to today, no "english" manufactured motorcycle i.e. Triumph, Royal Enfield, Norton, are made in Great Britain.
Employers need new recruits, fresh ideas pay well.
10% of US cnc machinest are between 20-30
The adverage age is 47
10-20 years and half of the entire US manufacturing sector will be retired. There are no replacements
@@mmboiler10 Student exchange program! There are great trade schools here in Canada, especially Québec. I started my machinist course 5 months ago and it's the most fun I've had since middle school. I have the utmost respect to the teachers lending their skills to the newest generation.
It's insane the old idiots are mad companies aren't calling and blaming us but when we say companies just ghost you we hear "work harder.
Ohh no won't someone think of the old people who wanna make death machines....
They will be less competent so yeah I will think of the old people who wanna make death machines. Starve the defense industry of talent
Old people are making burgers At McDonald’s, working at oil and gas companies, and as government lobbyists already
Advancements in their field bring you advancements in flight technology. Gotta love the trickle down economy. No but seriously, all these technological marvels you've seen, are born for war.
Radar, GPS, Internet, Jet engines, Satellites, Prosthetics, Computers, etc.
Add the word "Modern" and actually put work into making a list instead of just listing things off the top of your head and you'll have a very long list, with nearly every single invention. Because at some point in history, every single invention has been innovated primarily for war, many very greatly.
I wish AARP would focus more on how people's retirements have been completely destroyed by inflation and helping out those people, but I'm not the head of AARP, I don't really care what they do with their lives.
Can I just point out the irony of the American Association of Retired People advocating for people trying to get a.........JOB
It’s just a name lol. They started off fighting for the rights of retirees and then expanded for older citizens in general.
Old people : NO, ME DONT WANNA SHARE! GIVE THAT TOO
Wait young college graduates are actually being hired without 20+ years experience for part time?
It’s really normal in a lot of fields. Aerospace engineering takes people in their senior year even. You just have to choose a field that isn’t bad.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 yeah, I’m just using the joke since a decent number of places don’t. It’s good to hear that so many fields do though. I’m not too certain about history, but I suppose it depends on where I go
@@ad_astra5 what do you mean by history?
@@aaronmontgomery2055 history degree
@aaronmontgomery2055 , as in the field of history.
Excuse me.... seniors are absolutely the worst people you'd ever want to be in charge of complicated multi-million technology.
That's the discrimination. What you don't want are people who are unfamiliar with technology or accident prone, which is fair. But you imagine that of all old people, and old people are not a monolith, so that is unfair. You can't use age as the aggregate, you have to hire for the individual and their individual merits, not the average merit of someone in their category.
Mate, google Adrian Newey. Dunno about IT, but in physics-related sphere a lot of real beasts are old. You need experienced staff for complicated projects.
@@nessesaryschoolthing Point me to 15 seniors then
@@matador6650 Raytheon is military hardware lol
Brefore more people lose their minds...
Let me remind you all again: military
M I L I T A R Y
Complicated multi-million technology that will need to compete with new generation technology, current generation technology and past technologies.
It's not going to be the group of aging accountants who develops the future's next plane, tank, what-have-you's
Everyone fighting over who should be working at the orphan crushing machine lmao
Because God forbid a company try and make a long term investment instead of a 5 year rental
Well if you had any experience, you would know that older people do not like to switch jobs every five years.
Companies don't think much beyond the next quarter when the shareholders are upset they haven't made all the money yet. If they thought long-term, they wouldn't be giving millions to the executives while laying off the people who actually do the work.
Nobody stays long term, though. Honestly getting 5 years out of a single employee is way ahead of the game.
And AARP will lose hard because there is no formal age requirement.
That's not how age discrimination works
Ya, that’s not how that works. They just have to prove with a preponderance of evidence that the company is engaging in discriminatory practices. The bar for civil courts is lower than for criminal so they just have to prove that it is more likely that it is happening than that it isn’t happening. So you have to be like 60% sure and not 99%.
Edit: also the EEOC is supporting the claim and they win about 96% of their cases.
If they do a jury trial, with a mix of young folks, I'm hard pressed to believe they won't use their own experience trying to get hired in the job market as evidence that this old man is being treated like everyone else 😂
Defense industry has a lot of old, expensive workers that work slow and are just burning out the clock until retirement. They're definitely discriminating.
Now THIS is accurate. I worked for Bendix Aerospace for a short period of time. Holy crap, the freeloaders showing no shame, taking a paycheck, while reading the paper all day long. This was in the early 1990s. Probably still true.
They're not discriminating. Newly graduated means anyone who graduated these older people need to go back to school to learn the new technology and are refusing to do so. They can't afford the college education either and they are ready. Make good money.
@@natersoz2good.
Lol we have young people that just burn the clock and work slow. What is your argument.
An organization dedicated to retired people arguing that their members need to be hired is peak America. 😂 “work until you die!”
They aren't dedicated to retired people. Do a 5 second google search.
😂
Leave it to an old guy to sue for getting ghosted 😂 honestly I've been ghosted so many times by employers I could be a whole season of ghost adventures
When I went to college for aerospace engineering, I found out the entire program was actually an extended job training for Boeing. 80% of the graduates for the school I went to worked at Boeing, and reps from Boeing gave a presentation to the entire freshman class on day 1, immediately after the dean of the school
Why is the AARP taking this case? Aren’t they an association of people who are no longer working?
No, at least not anymore. Technically it doesn't stand for anything anymore ("retired" isn't in the name). "Our mission is simply to enhance the quality of life for all as we age. We champion positive social change and deliver value through advocacy, information and service and we do it on the national and at the state level. "
They are one of the most wealthy and powerful lobbyists in the US with nothing better to do. I get that a lot of old people don’t advocate for themselves, bit it feels like they forget how insane some people are getting post-retirement. Lobbying is kinda screwed rn, and gets more ridiculous each year, especially considering how many people don’t have any lobbyists working for them and their interests
The Right to Retire is coupled with the Right to NOT Retire. If you can't keep working at 64, it's not a choice.
The government/system actually punishes you with lower social security and pensions if you retire before like, 70.
They have no case. Raytheon’s lawyers will eat this for breakfast
The EEOC investigation found that Raytheon was engaging in age discrimination. The court will take that under consideration. Plus, even if Raytheon wins in court the EEOC is likely to pursue action separately. Raytheon was warned by the EEOC to knock it off three or four years ago so this time they are likely to face sanctions.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 sad. If they said “must be 40 years or older” on their applications they would have told the young people to shut up.
@@znation1491
Yes, in the USA, for whatever inconceivable reason, age related protections only start at 40 years. I don’t get why that is the case, most other developed nations age related anti-discrimination laws protect against any age related discrimination (besides minors and that’s because we don’t really want minors working for the most part). So in Canada for example, you cannot discriminate against younger applicants by having disproportionately high years of experience requirements (though companies still do it, but they have to be a lot more careful and subtle about it). But even though I 100% agree with you that discrimination against younger applicants is a real and vast problem that doesn’t mean that discrimination against older applicants should be tolerated. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Plus, weakening protections for older applicants would end up hurting the chances of getting age discrimination protections for younger people.
Edit: also the EEOC is backing the suit and the EEOC wins about 96% of its court cases. So Raytheon is definitely fighting an uphill battle.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 it's because the US thinks it needs young people to join the military. They will make live as unlivable as possible until they can mandate military service for everyone.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 sanctions? Lmfao. Like what a $1 million dollar Fine? Would you suggest they deduct if From the next 100 million dollar congressional bill with ONLY their name on it or would a seperate charge make it easier
A recent college graduate is not imply age it implies how recently you graduated
Ya, that is not how anti-discrimination laws work. If you set up requirements that don’t specifically exclude a group directly, but do so indirectly it’s still a form of discrimination.
As an example let’s say a business in Town City says we are only hiring people from X and Y zip codes. When someone looks at the demographics for Town City it turns out X and Y zip codes are 98% white. That is still racial discrimination even though they are not specifically saying whites only.
How much you want to bet the old man isn't remotely qualified for any of the positions he applied to?
The boomer mindset of just being able to get a job on a good handshake isn’t working????
OR so overqualified that it would be considered a downgrade to give him the job...
This works both ways honestly. It took me three years and several thousand applications before I landed my first job
In a world where the aging population is slowly becoming a problem, we need young people to become specialists and experts. Good job Raytheon.
Is that really the worse thing that old man has to say about Raytheon? Why does he want so badly to directly contribute to making the world a worse place?
He refuses to go back to school to get the education. It doesn't have an age limit. It just wants you to be newly graduated with the knowledge of the new technology. He doesn't want to get an education because he can't afford to pay for it. So he's suing instead?
@@kimberlydudman2296To be fair, new tech for fields doesn't necessarily require an entire degree. Taking a course, class or workshop or two would be enough.
4 yrs with annoying prerequisites and non related courses doesn't justify it if you've been in the field for while.
Raytheon makes most of its money from civilian aerospace contracts. They are also one of the leading companies when it comes to green energy storage.
@@BrotherAlphawhere they make most of their money is irrelevant in the face of a single weapon of war manufactured.
@@ellieahearn4055 There are a lot of Ukrainians who are thankful there are weapons of war being manufactured for them so they can defend themselves.
By the way, if you truly feel this way, I have some bad news about a lot of companies.
How dare they hire people with new ideas and not just a bunch of old farts.
Any consideration for the experienced people with new ideas? Who have a proven track record of new ideas??
old people can barely use gmail, do we really trust them to design modern weapons?
The plaintiff was applying to jobs listed as "Recent Graduate" positions. The plaintiff graduated college decades ago.
So when a young person can't get a job their "lazy" but when an old person can't get a job it's discrimination??
I’m a child of two parents who cannot afford to retire yet. If anything happened to their current positions, their age immediately makes them umarketable to hiring companies. It stresses me out I can’t imagine how much that stresses them out. So many of our parents can’t afford to retire; which is its own problem that needs addressing. But if they’re looking for work, they should not be discriminated against.
Ok but do you really want 80 year olds working on military technology? We’re not talking about a normal company here
Okay but for this kind of work. Yes they should. As someone who works... close... to this field (being vague on purpose) I'm 23 with perfect vision and have to use microscopes, the old guys just straight up don't see things, some get confused and we've had million dollar machines break due to a confused input. I do understand that you worry about your parents. But truly this isnt a field they are qualified for. Say whatever you want about discrimination THEY CANNOT DO THE JOB ACCURATLY. You can't make employers hire employees who are gonna break machines and cost the company more then they ever payed any workers
I'd argue what you actually want is proper safety nets to catch your parents and a solid retirement system.
Unfortunately if your parents are old. They voted against all that cause taxes. They didn't wanna pay then so they'll have to pay now
@@elikenny1075if they’re qualified and capable? Hell yes.
Yes, lets hire people for jobs where we need the employee's expertise for a couple decades.
Literally important steps to making certain weapons were lost and had to be reverse engineered at immense cost because of compartmentalization and aging out of employees.
"Your Job Listing Favors Younger Workers" *GOOD*
So let me get this straight, this guy's been trying to get a job at Raytheon for 5 years and still hasn't taken the hint that they don't want him so he's trying to sue them? The real question is why does he want a job specifically at this company? What job has been has he been working for the past 5 years while trying to get a job at Raytheon? If I don't get a call back for an interview I just apply to a different company, I don't keep applying for different jobs at the same company over and over.
Most jobs don't wanna hire recent college graduates. Old people are whining
I love how the logic of AARP is since it says recent college graduate it automatically must be that you're a young person for that to be the case but they forget that you can graduate college at any age
I feel like a weapon manufacturer has more pressing ethical concerns than “won’t hire old people”.
A reminder that you're never too old to sell your soul
Excellent use of the Hercules audio at the beginning there.
I went to school in an area where Raytheon was one of the biggest hirers of new college graduates.
I cannot confirm that this is true, but I can confirm that they do hire a shit ton of people right out of college, especially in the engineering and finance sectors of their company.
My grandfather worked part-time as a computer engineer when he hit 60. this way, the company didn't have to worry about him just retiring one day, because he was less likely to since he worked less, and they could also hire younger workers who needed to work part time because of school. those younger workers usually became full time aftetr graduating. in other words: more places should have part time routes for older (and younger) applicants.
Im playing the worlds smallest violin for someone who just wants to burn the clock until retirement
I think Raytheon has done far worse than discriminate based on age
“Raytheon: When you absolutely have to hit that toddler with a missile filled with knives.”
*Aggressively applying to Raytheon right now*
Wrong, 13.7 billion years of work experience required
Get the boomers out of the workforce, literally suffocating it by holding on to positions for years, becoming the least productive members within.
Ohhh nooo, the young people may stand a chance? Can’t have that
The research is suggesting older people don’t stand a chance. Go back to sleep.
@@JV-mw7gv what research? cite your sources dingus
Age discrimination in court never saw that happen before
Who would've guessed, a modern military equipment company doesn't want someone who's gonna retire in 3 years...
i just graduated from aeronautical engineering and have been denied an interview for every rtx posting i've applied to
Raytheon literally just offered my friend a job without having to apply. He's in his 40s. Whoever is investigating them needs to go back to bed.
These old people retired and still complaining about us young people.
Holy shit they know the sky is blue
The one job that’s actually hiring people without job experience is getting sued. 😭
I worked Northrop(another big defense contractor). "Recent college graduate" = "we want to work you on the weekends without pay and have you pretend like you weren't working"
This goes to show youve never had a job. This job wouldnt pay hourly it would pay with a salary. Therefore they wouldnt need you to pretend you didnt work on the weekend, though they just wouldnt have you work on the weekends.
Ummm... I was a contractor and I have NEVER seen a Raytheon employee under the age of 50 and they are universally the biggest assholes you'll ever have to work next too... No idea why, at least that was my experience.
The huge defense company I worked for laid off tons of older (i.e. more experienced) workers in order to replace them with younger (inexperienced) people to save salary money, and did it despite laws against age discrimination. They simply aimed the layoffs at upper grade levels, rather than higher ages, because the only way to get into those upper levels is to put in decades of work so the only people there are older workers. The courts apparently have no problems with this even though it's obviously age-targeted layoffs.
Lord have mercy that a company hires someone that is going to be alive longer. Especially when most college grads get screwed by companies always asking for 10+ years of experience. Raytheon is in the right.
And yet there are businesses also openly saying they don’t want to hire Gen Z, and who list job post with so many years of experience required for positions that it effectively excludes Gen Z. Though this has been going on for so long that millennials also faced this kind of discrimination.
Despite now being in my 40’s, I find it refreshing having a business wanting to recruit employees right out of college. It gives me hope for my kids finding jobs when they get older and not facing the same struggles.
This is ridiculous...
If a company wants to build a long lasting team of course they aren't going to hire someone thats going to retire in 5 years.
And if a company needs experience they are probably going to hire someone older.
How do you think Someone forcing themselves onto a team is going to work out for anyone.
With all do respect, this research is not talking about soon to be retirees. This is referring to the 40 or so crowd - those with much experience but they demand slightly higher pay (or maybe they’ll even accept entry level pay) but also have to work for 25 more years. I have a lengthy resume, 12 years management experience, high performance in college, recently graduated with another masters degree yet I can’t get an interview. Not one out of over a thousand applications. I even spent $2400 on a resume class.
@@JV-mw7gv what friggin research are you referring to? I just want a source for your claims
the effects of unpunished corporate greed:
Why does a Lobbyist…. For Retired people…. Care about Job access…. For people who don’t work anymore? Also, most weapons are computers now, most retirees think we still use Agent Orange, they are literally hiring the best people for the job.
Well who would you prefer, the people who know all the latest innovations,
Or the people who only know the outdated methods.
Older generations should be wiser than to apply for a 'defense' contractir
As a recent college graduate who applied to Raytheon I can confirm that they’re not discriminating in favor of recent graduates
I wonder why they'd prefer a worker who will not leave the company for retirement.
She didn’t say that he had 20+ years of experience and was extremely overqualified for a starter role. People don’t understand being extremely overqualified is just as bad as being under qualified. They have no case and he’s going to lose.
Seems like a legit age discrimination violation.
Old people don't need anti-discrimination laws. If they're that old, they should be able to get their jobs via merit of their experience.
Frankly, with how the boomers have treated the country... I am starting to think that maybe we should be discriminating against them.
my father worked at Raytheon and was forced to take early retirement back in the 200Xs when he hit 55, so this tracks
I don’t think them not hiring old people is the worst thing Raytheon is responsible for…
But giving people their first job after graduation is a good thing though? Obviously not for _all_ positions, but a grad role for those without industry experience yet that focuses on mentoring and upskilling recent college and university graduates is extremely useful and, yes, useful for that very particular demographic.
I myself was in a grad role when I started at my last company, and every year my team took on 1-2 new grads (in addition to more senior roles) because a) fresh faces, fresh ideas, and b) this is how we give back and make sure there's a ladder for new folks to climb to where we are now!
How does the AARP have standing? They literally represent retired people.
Can we sue the housing crisis for age discrimination
Those older people are so discriminated against. Its so sad they have to go into their fully paid off homes and $10 masters degrees from Havard and wipe their tears with their money not going to student loans.
Old people are refusing to retire, I'm glad places are starting to not care
As one can tell yeah of course we’re favoring Raytheon, if the company doesn’t want you then you go find a new one, it’s what younger workers deal with all the time.
Let’s just ignore the laws that are made for old people because we only have old people as politicians
You can legally discriminate against a young person starting out but not against an old person who had had their whole lives to acquire wealth and connections?
I think that it actually makes sense that a defense contractor is hiring new people, as they may bring more imaginative and creative ideas to the table for new products, while older people may be more down to earth and not suggest those ideas due to it not being realistic in their eyes.
In my opinion there’s some merit to the idea that age discrimination isn’t always a bad thing.
I have a feeling it has more to do with the fact that recent college grads have lower salary expectations than established professionals. Basically if a job listing says “recent college grad” it can be translated as meaning “we have this position to fill and the budget we have been given to do it is a joke so we need someone that we can pay peanuts, grind into the dirt, and will be grateful for the privilege”
If Raytheon is like most companies, they weed out older workers with their pay scale. New grad positions are paid too little for someone who already has an established career to want to take based on a decrease in salary. Someone making $80k wont bother with a job paying $45k to start.
There is no rule against retired people going to college.
Old people wouldn't need to be working if they got paid a livable social security
These people want to work they dont need the social secueity, they have retirement. You have no point in the slightest.
The ads that refer to “Recent Graduate Positions” indicate that applicants should either have graduated from college or graduate school very recently or have no more than 12 or 24 months of related work experience. While the positions may be lower level, they are not necessarily low paying, with salary ranges that can run north of $100,000.
The suit currently has just one named plaintiff - Mark H. Goldstein - but is brought on behalf of “all others similarly situated.” More named individuals may join the suit later, said Peter Romer-Friedman, one of the lead lawyers on the case.
Goldstein, 67, has roughly four decades of experience in “project management, cybersecurity, technology, risk management, security engineering, sales, marketing, engineering, business, and consulting,” according to the complaint. In addition, it said, Goldstein has experience as a contractor for the US Department of Homeland Security, has held a federal government security clearance and has two key information security and privacy certifications.
Imagine wanting to work for Raytheon (still older people deserve respect and rights)
I stand with the military-industrial complex!
Can the older generation just retire so we can clean up their mess?
Actually the Arms Industry is usually the first place new engineering grads go because they don't discriminate against young engineers