I forgot to look! I just looked though on the schematics, and there is a jack to adjust that as a setting. When the ball lands in the top saucer the top eject relay comes on, and the score motor turns around advancing the bonus unit 1 space through that relay. If you have the jumper installed to make it set to 'liberal', it adds a second switch on the motor, so as the score motor is turning, it scores 1 bonus as usual, but that extra switch then closes and gives you a second bonus advance. Thanks for watching Fred!
These old EM pinball machines are like steampunk analog computers, thanks for showing us around them. What I really appreciate is your southern laid back attitude, and explanations, wished my dad would have been like that growing up. All he ever did was yell at me for holding the flashlight wrong lol.
My dad acted more like I do, we were originally from Charleston West Virginia. He was always in a good mood and enjoying life! Thanks for watching Curtis, see you on the next one!
I'm always amazed with the engineering genius of these older EM pinball machines. I'm even more amazed how quickly you are able to pinpoint the trouble with these older machines.
Once you mess with them awhile you start seeing how they did it... Eventually it makes sense and you can see what the obvious solution must be. It must have been pretty fun for these folks to design these...
The best Friday night viewing on the TV for me. Well done Ron for shorting it. I love all the schematics explanations and I’m beginning to get it, i think? I can also relate to barely being able to see over the top of the playfield, but watching others flip the ball, fascinating. Asking my dad what those machines were called, I remember him saying “they’re called Pin Tables” and I’ve been hooked ever since.
What a handsome machine. The touch-ups, the troubleshooting, the work on the motor board, the score reels was all fantastic as usual. Thanks Ronnie for sharing your awesome skills and knowledge. …when it comes to pinball, … you’re the man!
Oh Yeah! This was my favorite game around '76 at Yellowstone Bus Company (deli), Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA. Amazing thing, I remember all the scoring and chimes even. Thanks for refreshing all those memories, may all your scores be double bonus!
Yeah you can see how if you got a good designer, and an engineer together at Williams that liked working with each other, you could really figure out some amazing stuff.
Thank you so much for these videos Ron. I am reliving my youth through you. First time playing a pinball machine was in a bar....and I stood on a beer crate and could barely reach the flipper buttons. HOOKED FOR LIFE! Everytime I see a machine I want to get it...but as I've said, around here people think everything is worth 10 times what it is... Oh...and SWMBO would have a conniption if every pinball machine and video game from my youth showed up.
Yeah the prices have gotten nuts in the last couple years, it's one of the reasons I prefer the EM's, I feel like if I can sneak some fun out of those all the suckers chasing the DMD games got fooled :) Thanks for watching Wreck Diver!
Today on "As the Cam Turns" Ron faces a maladjusted smash switch and achieves a cease fire with a machine gun flipper. Matt helps Ron with an important scientific poll in a discussion of solder pronunciation and people who still live in their mother's basements. Todays episode is brought to you by Japanese mystery stones, German chip tools and Super Lube Synthetic grease for all you electrical conductivity needs.
How to pronounce solder: In the USA, we say it like "sodder", but in the UK, and I believe Australia, they say "sol-der". Reminds me of some wisdom by Steve Martin: "Chapeau means hat. Ouef means egg. It’s like those French have a different word for everything…" OK, let's hear how they pronounce "solder" in Canada, New Zealand, and other English speaking countries. Does anyone in the USA pronounce the "l" in solder? Celebrating differences in this big, crazy ball of water and rock we all live on!
Now that I think of it, I believe Big Clive gets a lot of flack from the US on how he pronounces "sol der". Come on, people! Arguing about that is like arguing about the weather when it's snowing in one place and another is in a drought. I haven't been watching this channel very long, but I'm already starting to say "Come on, people!" a lot.
Sweet game, nice job with the trouble shooting. Ron, don't sweat the pronunciation of Solder(sodder) those people that complain usually say bat-tree instead of battery! Keep up the great vids!
Good mornings... you could use a clipboard to hold your notepad to the right side of center, making a place to put your left hand down to hold everything in place while writing.. btw I'm right handed, but always find a solution for something eventually.. Awesome informative videoes :o)
Ron is pronouncing 'solder' correctly. I reckon it's a brit that's taking issue with the pronunciation. In NA we say: sä-dər and our friends across the pond would say: säl-də or sōl-də. All 3 ways are correct for their respective regions. C'mon people. 😉 Nice deductive work as usual Ron! That there is a fine machine.
just got my Grand Prix a few weeks ago. I noticed this week that my L bonus unit has the exact same issues as the one you are troubleshooting. Haven't had a chance to look but I'm guessing it's similar to the mechanical/wear/timing issue you are were having.Good stuff on the schematic help too !! Did you say that the red arrows switch on balls 2 and 4 ?
I'm very old school man so I can't tell you which one is the best, I am kind of more interested in simpler ones... so I used to use Windows Movie Maker (the OLD one) but unfortunately it got to the point where it hadn't been updated in 10 years so the codecs were pretty bad and couldn't be updated. The new codecs were so much better that the file size is about a FOURTH of the old codecs, so I had to move to a new program. After trying a few, I settled on Shotcut, which I really like. It's open source and free and frequently updated. Not as powerful as the Adobe stuff but I don't want to support Adobe if I can help it anyway :)
I am sure you have done it but could you show how you desolder and then solder a new light socket on a pinball pop bumper including how to put on the plastic sleeve. I know it must be easy to do - but I always seem to need a 3rd hand. Thanks for your videos.
JOES CLASSIC, What is the correct name for that SMASH switch? I'm confused what is turning on the "Index ball relay" or what is the purpose of the index ball relay?
The Willams "bat" logo is very similar to the Motorola "bat" logo except upside down. I was totally thinking Motorola was manufacturing parts for Williams. 😏
That Ferrari looked really cool sitting on the Grand Prix. That was a really cool image, would make a great thumbnail. In the UK and Australia I find most will say Solder with the L being noticeable, though it is never a strong emphasis. I find most in the US, particularly the more southern states, say it without the L being really heard. I figure it is just accents. Anyone trying to say you say it wrong is basically saying everyone in that area of the world is saying it wrong.... Every country has it's own accents and that makes words sound a certain way. Blah. Sorry I am ranting as well. I'll shutup now :)
Accents are one of the best things about people :) Think how cool it is, people talk like that because their Mother talked like that and the people around them when they were children talked like that. Thanks for watching Brendan!
Solder is pronounced "sodder". Like grass sod. To pronounce sodder as "soulder" is probably the result of folks who rarely interact in person and pronunciate based on the text they see. After years of incorrectly assuming it's pronounced soulder is resulting in a generation with their own accent. I've worked with professional engineers for 50+ years and nobody ever pronounces solder as "soulder". Please say it properly people :p
If they're complaining about your handwriting. They should see mine. Can't spell penmanship sucks and punctuation is pretty much non-existent. Almost like if I'm writing in hieroglyphs and symbols. But I can read it pretty fine. Just not everyone else.
I just don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about it, if I hear somebody pronouncing the L I don't think "Oh he's wrong, let me tell him how wrong he is" lol
Indeed. Odd thing I remember...HP lovecraft spelt colour colour as in colour out of space...I guess NewEngland probably calls it sol-der...*ducks to avoid swatting*
I can't seem to find a Grand Prix for sale anywhere. However I could buy an Aztec and a Grand Prix playfield. I'm thinking of putting the Grand Prix playfield in the Aztec. Some major Frankenstein work required... Did anybody try such a hack?
@@LyonsArcade I'm against ruining things that work. Was thinking of some kind of interface board between the playfield and the rest of the machine. You would just disconnect the Jones plugs. Or maybe create an electronic mech board ...
@@LyonsArcade Hey Joe (Ron), I was being a smart ass, commenting on what you said someone would comment on without watching the whole video, then I commented on Matt saying "sautter" instead of "solder" near the end of the video... :), love the videos!
Your accent doesn't sound like N Carolina or S Carolina. It sounds like there is some Western states, like Nevada, New Mexico, that area. It is a mix of two regions, but I can't tell what regions
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Great work Ron (as always).
Where you able to use the schematics to confirm that the top saucer is supposed to advance the bonus twice?
I forgot to look! I just looked though on the schematics, and there is a jack to adjust that as a setting. When the ball lands in the top saucer the top eject relay comes on, and the score motor turns around advancing the bonus unit 1 space through that relay.
If you have the jumper installed to make it set to 'liberal', it adds a second switch on the motor, so as the score motor is turning, it scores 1 bonus as usual, but that extra switch then closes and gives you a second bonus advance.
Thanks for watching Fred!
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Have a great weekend.
These old EM pinball machines are like steampunk analog computers, thanks for showing us around them. What I really appreciate is your southern laid back attitude, and explanations, wished my dad would have been like that growing up. All he ever did was yell at me for holding the flashlight wrong lol.
My dad acted more like I do, we were originally from Charleston West Virginia. He was always in a good mood and enjoying life! Thanks for watching Curtis, see you on the next one!
Really great series, I enjoyed it a lot. Thanks, I know it's a lot of hard work to produce a video for this. Have a great day. -David
Thank you Plastic Imagination Workshop, we appreciate you watching as always! See you on the next one, David!
I'm always amazed with the engineering genius of these older EM pinball machines. I'm even more amazed how quickly you are able to pinpoint the trouble with these older machines.
Once you mess with them awhile you start seeing how they did it... Eventually it makes sense and you can see what the obvious solution must be. It must have been pretty fun for these folks to design these...
The best Friday night viewing on the TV for me. Well done Ron for shorting it. I love all the schematics explanations and I’m beginning to get it, i think? I can also relate to barely being able to see over the top of the playfield, but watching others flip the ball, fascinating. Asking my dad what those machines were called, I remember him saying “they’re called Pin Tables” and I’ve been hooked ever since.
What a handsome machine. The touch-ups, the troubleshooting, the work on the motor board, the score reels was all fantastic as usual. Thanks Ronnie for sharing your awesome skills and knowledge. …when it comes to pinball, … you’re the man!
Thank you for watching Mark, i'm glad you enjoyed it!
Oh Yeah! This was my favorite game around '76 at Yellowstone Bus Company (deli), Cardiff-by-the-Sea, CA. Amazing thing, I remember all the scoring and chimes even. Thanks for refreshing all those memories, may all your scores be double bonus!
That Ferrari would make a great topper for a Grand Prix game. Great video Ron.
Definitely! Thanks for watching Kent!
Whoever designed the logic in this must have had a boatload of fun.
Yeah you can see how if you got a good designer, and an engineer together at Williams that liked working with each other, you could really figure out some amazing stuff.
Great video Ron your work is awesome. Great work. Thanks for sharing have a great weekend
Thank you so much for these videos Ron. I am reliving my youth through you. First time playing a pinball machine was in a bar....and I stood on a beer crate and could barely reach the flipper buttons. HOOKED FOR LIFE! Everytime I see a machine I want to get it...but as I've said, around here people think everything is worth 10 times what it is...
Oh...and SWMBO would have a conniption if every pinball machine and video game from my youth showed up.
Yeah the prices have gotten nuts in the last couple years, it's one of the reasons I prefer the EM's, I feel like if I can sneak some fun out of those all the suckers chasing the DMD games got fooled :) Thanks for watching Wreck Diver!
Heh, I think I had to stand on a crate to play this one too!
Nice work !....cheers.
Today on "As the Cam Turns" Ron faces a maladjusted smash switch and achieves a cease fire with a machine gun flipper. Matt helps Ron with an important scientific poll in a discussion of solder pronunciation and people who still live in their mother's basements. Todays episode is brought to you by Japanese mystery stones, German chip tools and Super Lube Synthetic grease for all you electrical conductivity needs.
You forgot to mention me ranting about the negative comments :) Thanks for watching Scott!
Thank you for another great video, Ron
♪♫ Onward Pinball Solder ♪♫
How to pronounce solder: In the USA, we say it like "sodder", but in the UK, and I believe Australia, they say "sol-der". Reminds me of some wisdom by Steve Martin: "Chapeau means hat. Ouef means egg. It’s like those French have a different word for everything…" OK, let's hear how they pronounce "solder" in Canada, New Zealand, and other English speaking countries. Does anyone in the USA pronounce the "l" in solder? Celebrating differences in this big, crazy ball of water and rock we all live on!
Now that I think of it, I believe Big Clive gets a lot of flack from the US on how he pronounces "sol der". Come on, people! Arguing about that is like arguing about the weather when it's snowing in one place and another is in a drought. I haven't been watching this channel very long, but I'm already starting to say "Come on, people!" a lot.
Grand Prix would be one I would own.
If I could afford it.
It's a great game!
Some great troubleshooting there Ron, I love the way you explain the schematics as well as hands-on repair. Nice job !
I feel bad now, I can read your handwriting and think its better than mine. LOL.
hahaha I never thought I might be insulting those of you with really bad handwriting, LOL
I can't remember if this game has an "over-the-top" feature (or some other indicator) if you get to 1 million? Great video!
It doesn't have one on this particular title, it was more of a Bally thing.... I'm not sure if any of the Williams games had it!
Even though it's spelled solder, y'all are saying it right! This machine looks and runs great now, good work!
Sweet game, nice job with the trouble shooting. Ron, don't sweat the pronunciation of Solder(sodder) those people that complain usually say bat-tree instead of battery!
Keep up the great vids!
I'm going to have to remember the BatTree thing, I forgot about that... i'll have to mention it in a later video, lol Thanks for watching MacDaddy
Love watching old arcade games getting a second chance !!?
Good mornings... you could use a clipboard to hold your notepad to the right side of center, making a place to put your left hand down to hold everything in place while writing.. btw I'm right handed, but always find a solution for something eventually.. Awesome informative videoes :o)
If I did that, I'd have to try to have good handwriting :)
@@LyonsArcade I stopped trying cursive a long time ago.. too illegible, I only print now.. lol
Remind me to ask to see to see the “sold-er” on the flipper coils when I come and visit! :) Come on people, it’s “sodder”
Ron is pronouncing 'solder' correctly. I reckon it's a brit that's taking issue with the pronunciation.
In NA we say: sä-dər and our friends across the pond would say: säl-də or sōl-də.
All 3 ways are correct for their respective regions. C'mon people. 😉
Nice deductive work as usual Ron! That there is a fine machine.
Tell 'em Steven! We appreciate you watching brother as always, thank you
You letter replace those slipper flarings.
They're bagging on the minefield?
Was that close?
I understood exactly what you said :)
Love it!
just got my Grand Prix a few weeks ago. I noticed this week that my L bonus unit has the exact same issues as the one you are troubleshooting. Haven't had a chance to look but I'm guessing it's similar to the mechanical/wear/timing issue you are were having.Good stuff on the schematic help too !! Did you say that the red arrows switch on balls 2 and 4 ?
What video editor do you use?
I'm very old school man so I can't tell you which one is the best, I am kind of more interested in simpler ones... so I used to use Windows Movie Maker (the OLD one) but unfortunately it got to the point where it hadn't been updated in 10 years so the codecs were pretty bad and couldn't be updated. The new codecs were so much better that the file size is about a FOURTH of the old codecs, so I had to move to a new program. After trying a few, I settled on Shotcut, which I really like. It's open source and free and frequently updated. Not as powerful as the Adobe stuff but I don't want to support Adobe if I can help it anyway :)
I am sure you have done it but could you show how you desolder and then solder a new light socket on a pinball pop bumper including how to put on the plastic sleeve. I know it must be easy to do - but I always seem to need a 3rd hand. Thanks for your videos.
I know it's late, but 4th right spinner bulb was lighting up slow, like it had a short somewhere.
JOES CLASSIC, What is the correct name for that SMASH switch? I'm confused what is turning on the "Index ball relay" or what is the purpose of the index ball relay?
The Willams "bat" logo is very similar to the Motorola "bat" logo except upside down. I was totally thinking Motorola was manufacturing parts for Williams. 😏
What is the loud hum when you start the game ? It sounds like a coil is stuck on.
So many moving parts. Seems like they would need a whole lot of maintenance
To be honest yeah pinball machines in general need a lot of maintenance compared to video games. Thanks for watching Richie!
I can read it, but then I'm also lefthanded...
My Brotha
@@LyonsArcade Southpaws Forever! :)
As far as I can as long as I can understand what you’re saying you’re good to go
Sodder is American, soLder is British/Canadian.
Woohoo! Saw it posted w/in 15 seconds! Thanks Ron! How are those two new Chevy engines!
Vroom Vroom!!!
That Ferrari looked really cool sitting on the Grand Prix. That was a really cool image, would make a great thumbnail.
In the UK and Australia I find most will say Solder with the L being noticeable, though it is never a strong emphasis. I find most in the US, particularly the more southern states, say it without the L being really heard. I figure it is just accents. Anyone trying to say you say it wrong is basically saying everyone in that area of the world is saying it wrong.... Every country has it's own accents and that makes words sound a certain way. Blah. Sorry I am ranting as well. I'll shutup now :)
Accents are one of the best things about people :) Think how cool it is, people talk like that because their Mother talked like that and the people around them when they were children talked like that. Thanks for watching Brendan!
The switch provides Active Feedback to the CPU to tell it the ball is not in play yet, but it is waiting for player to start
So, it's only present on the electronic machines?
Solder is pronounced "sodder". Like grass sod. To pronounce sodder as "soulder" is probably the result of folks who rarely interact in person and pronunciate based on the text they see. After years of incorrectly assuming it's pronounced soulder is resulting in a generation with their own accent. I've worked with professional engineers for 50+ years and nobody ever pronounces solder as "soulder". Please say it properly people :p
I don't really have a problem with how they say it but they sure have a problem with how we say it, HA Thanks for watching GettnBetter!
If they're complaining about your handwriting.
They should see mine. Can't spell penmanship sucks and punctuation is pretty much non-existent.
Almost like if I'm writing in hieroglyphs and symbols.
But I can read it pretty fine. Just not everyone else.
If I want other people to read it I can try really hard to make it legible :)
People from the the USA speak English as well as Spanish if from Mexico and French if from Quebec or the french area of Baton Rouge.
You are correct it is "sauder" NOT "soulder" the l is silent in any language.
I just don't understand why people get so bent out of shape about it, if I hear somebody pronouncing the L I don't think "Oh he's wrong, let me tell him how wrong he is" lol
@@LyonsArcade LOL, I know I think we just like to pick on each other!
20,000 and 25,000 it looked like they missed when counting down
Solder or solder. Seems fine....at least you spell it right. Now if we can agree on colour......
Or Theater Theatre :)
Indeed.
Odd thing I remember...HP lovecraft spelt colour colour as in colour out of space...I guess NewEngland probably calls it sol-der...*ducks to avoid swatting*
I could swear I played a Playboy pinball machine in the late 70s or early 80s. Have you ever seen that machine, and which company made it ?
Sounds like a Bally Playboy machine from 1978.
I've seen them but never had one in here. I've thought about whether or not I'd put it out on the showroom floor and decided yes I would
@@LyonsArcade If it has the "replacement" graphics you might need an Adult Only section... 😎
@@LyonsArcade I would bet they are rare, and expensive.
Im not saing solder, im saing Loddetin 🤣
I can't seem to find a Grand Prix for sale anywhere. However I could buy an Aztec and a Grand Prix playfield. I'm thinking of putting the Grand Prix playfield in the Aztec. Some major Frankenstein work required... Did anybody try such a hack?
Sounds like a good way to ruin an Aztec
@@LyonsArcade I'm against ruining things that work. Was thinking of some kind of interface board between the playfield and the rest of the machine. You would just disconnect the Jones plugs. Or maybe create an electronic mech board ...
Yodelayheehoo
Hello Lil Everette!
bushings are bad on those flippers, might have to re-sautter them.
I put new ones on, the originals were the same size, I think the flipper bats were swapped at some point...
@@LyonsArcade Hey Joe (Ron), I was being a smart ass, commenting on what you said someone would comment on without watching the whole video, then I commented on Matt saying "sautter" instead of "solder" near the end of the video... :), love the videos!
Solder
Google it! The L is silent. Which is the correct pronunciation for American English. Limeys sound the L !
Thank you Pethoviejo!
You are right but has anyone tried machining the flippers out of brass then coating them with 4 or 5 layers of rubber cement.
COOL BEANS
Saw-der/Soul-der I don't care, I love the videos regardless!
Your accent doesn't sound like N Carolina or S Carolina. It sounds like there is some Western states, like Nevada, New Mexico, that area. It is a mix of two regions, but I can't tell what regions
The struggle us lefties is real!
Yes it Is ... Most sparkies , Are Left Handed i found ...
i say solder the same way instead of s-old-er like some
There is a lot wrong with this game. It took a lot to repair all the problems.
Flipper solenoid😂😂😂🥴🥴🥴
Canadians pronounce the “l” in solder, it drives me nuts. It’s only people trying to be superior.🤷♂️
Not all of us, I skip the "l" and hate the u in many words like mould. But to me the last letter of the alphabet will always be Zed.