The Making of "The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years"
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- Director Penelope Spheeris, Poison's Rikki Rockett, Riki Rachtman, London's Nadir D'Priest and moderator DJ Will at an Academy screening of "The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years" on April 4, 2014 at LACMA's Bing Theater.
What ! No ODIN interview !? I guess when you are bigger than Led Zeppelin and The Doors, you don't have time for these types of panels :)
Todd Peterson hahahaha, i always cringe at those guys, they were so smug
@@bostonvh Especially their self-obsessed frontman.
LMFAO...ODIN ODIN ODIN
I lived on Sunset and Highland from 86-89. Only someone who was there would understand that this was the reenactment of The cult of Dionysus :)
The singer finally killed himself lol
Megadeth was my favorite part of the movie. Mustaine in the singing both with headphones, hat with the beak pulled up and smoking a cigarette ( at least I think it was a cigarette), was awesome! Damn I feel old now 😭
It really does look like a spliff from how it's burning though
You see it clearly at one point. It's filtered. Definite just a cigarette.
Hats off to DJ Will for being a damn good moderator. Hats off to Rikki Rachtman for loving Bleach...he had the same attitude I had when I first heard Bleach. I saw the connection to both punk and metal and LOVED playing them on my metal show on KLSU. And Rikki Rocket is a great interview. Love this dude, I don't care what anyone says.
Your pretty much the only one that feels that way .....the Dude is a Giant Tool
The "Metal Years" panel and screening was fantastic. Here are some excerpts from the lively discussion. Riki Rachtman postulates how the law (not Nirvana) killed the rock scene on the Sunset Strip; and Penelope Spheeris explains why she didn't include Guns N' Roses in the film and why she doesn't like Grunge.
Oscars any way to see this whole panel, including the other films?
Why not release the entire panel discussion for The Metal Years? Would love to see it.
Nirvana and that whole thing was much better than this shit.
First movie with germs and black flag was better
Mumble rap is today’s hair metal
I would love them to do a where are they now documentary about this movie
Me too, although it would probably be even more depressing than Grunge supposedly was.
they found the zebra kid from heavy metal parking lot lol he was not pleased as an adult to be seen watching his zebra antics and getting a souvenir t shirt for trotting that skeleton out the closet
@@russellzauner zebra kid?
80's hard rock / metal was best time. I dont care at all for bands these days
but still listen to 80's music till today
I do too
90s too
why people hating on Rikki Rachtman, he don't pretend to be anything, he was just a person from the scene / club owner, Mtv VJ. He was just doing his thing. why the hate????
Cause he’s a Poser Biiiiiiaaaatch!
Sooo great to see this after having such a monstrously huge impact on my developing teenager/musician years! Now I'm making films too. Thanks PS and guys...
I'm with Penelope, she was ahead of her time :) as Johnny Rotten said : "Anger is an ENERGY!" Anger turned outward = fun . Anger turned inward = self loathing = not fun :( Seeing Decline III when it came out was a total mind f#@% for me.... I'm friends with a lot of those people in the Gutter Punk scene... 2 of them are dead. I dated Eyeball in the 80"s, Joe Fuck O Bass player of Naked Aggression/ Strychnine, stayed at my house in the early 90s, The Circle Jerks and Black Flag stayed at my house in the 80s, I partied with Flea at my friends house in the 80s , I met Spider (the tattoo face guy) at the Punks Picnic in early 2000s ... and all of this took place at "the Cultural Center of the Cosmos" Minneapolis MN :) And then there was DUDES :) peace from the frozen tundra
i have always maintaned that Nirvana gets too much credit when people say they killed metal. songs like "cherry pie" "unskinny bop" "everything about you", bands like Trixter and Nelson. are the things that killed it. people were already losing interest in it because of these things, the worst cliches of glam metal being manifested. bands like chili peppers and Janes addiction were already having success, and easing people into alternative rock. when Nirvana were launched onto the public by MTV they didnt break down some door and steal all the fans, they walked into an already mostly empty room where people were just standing around looking for something different.
also there is an interview clip i have seen many time with Riki Rachtman "whom i have never liked" where he talks about how much he disliked Nirvana, andtalk about how much he couldnt stand them when they were guests on headbangers ball. now hes doing the whole hipster thing of "oh yeah i was totally into them before anyone knew who they were"
What's also interesting is bands like Ratt or Poison talk about how alternative or grunge "killed" metal. Both bands, just to use as examples, enjoyed a lot of success that many people could only dream of. Nothing lasts forever and if anyone would be to blame it's the fans, not other bands. Many people are fickle and follow trends easily, so were they honestly expecting the ride to last forever? That's what I find most puzzling...music changes and so does the general interest of the public. If it didn't, then teenagers would still be following disco or any other popular genre from days gone by.
Nobody killed anybody. The Industry sees potential in a format, milk it dry, then move on to the next thing before the previous thing gets too stale from overexposure. You got to keep the novelty fresh.
Alice in Chains are the beginning of the grunge scene not Nirvana
Ugly kid Joe was not hair metal they kicked ass. Every thing about you was one of many gray songs
What killed the scene was the bands had become a parody of themselves then this other thing that was not a parody came around and people were drawn to it, for about two minutes. Grunge made the world shift, but they only lasted a very short time before becoming a parody of themselves as well.
Great music comes from a honest place and when they turn it into a corporate sponsored event, your days are numbered.
Nearly all of it is rolled out on schedule by concerns far above our view of the world. Phased societal adaptation basically but some of it is honest, or honestly influenced.
The Guy Nadir from LONDON rocks !!!
He’s awesome 😂
Let's be real: most of us came here to see if Odin was on the dais.
Grunge didn't kill hair metal, flyers didn't either. Hair metal killed itself by becoming increasingly shallow. I loved the metal scene even though I was more of a punk/alternative person, and honestly, how many songs about cars and girls do you need? Lol! My friends and I were quite active in the metal and punk scenes here in my state back then, even though both scenes were small. My boyfriend now was also in the scenes, we've been friends for over 30 years, and he jokes that in the punk scene here there were maybe 8 people, lol! There were way more people in the metal scene, but after a while the metal scene and music just got so boring, it was actually a relief when the grunge sound came along.
Grunge didn't kill the metal scene, ballads did.
it collapsed under the weight of it's own shitty mediocrity
I think the hair metal bands became too commercial and ridiculous you know pretty boy stuff. Music began to suck,..
and Aquanet.
It ran it's course. Probably overran. Even through the 90s I still liked any and all hair bands but recently checking them out some were just plain bad we didn't need the half of them
Muddy Ravine Nahh; grunge did.
Native Tongue is an AMAZING album. Cool interview.
Still my favorite Poison album.
When I heard Nirvana for the first time I heard a soulfulness that was missing in metal. This turned a lot of people on including me and I am a flag-waving Sunset Strip hair metal fan eternally.
fuck nirvana
fuck grunge
You sound ridiculous.
Mitzi73 nirvana and soulfulness cannot be in the same sentence, sorry
She's full of shit. It's trendy now to pretend to know Nirvana was going to change music. Nonsense.
Very honest replies from Penelope. When asked if she felt a little weird in that scene she admitted it. Most people would say "Oh no it actually felt quite natural."
I don't think "grunge" killed metal. Hair metal videos were replaced with alt rock videos. It's just a marketing thing. Labels had to sign new bands to make more money. I think the hair metal ballads were just as bad as the alt rock stuff. You'd wait 3 hours to see one band you liked on the HBB. The first thing I ever searched on the Internet was black metal. That's what made me want to get online.
I agree, I think grunge was the final nail in the coffin, the whole glam scene just collapsed under its own weight.
I wish i could’ve grown up on Sunset in the 80’s!
Mustane was the perfect closer but poison were hysterical to listen to. They just had fun.
They should do the making of the decline of western civlization part 3 I know some of them passed away but they should find why me and the others that are still alive and do an interview on them see what they've been doing after documenting them in 97 or 98 that would be sick!
Part 3 came out in the late 90's. It's about gutter punks. You can find it free on youtube. Much different than part one or two, but really interesting.
Everyone seems to forget that “scenes” rose up continually through the 80’s into the 90’s - from the rise of American hardcore punk to thrash. What happened to what we once called “poser rock/metal,” “hair bands,” ‘glam metal,” etc....is that their music became redundant and churned out like a production line led by that putrid MTV - in leaguer with corrupt record labels and managers and agents who milked it for all it was worth. The same happened in the 60’s until the coming of The Stooges and the MC5 and the whole emptying of the garages across the United States and beyond. Radio also played a huge role - and DJ’s allied themselves with their various camps (bands, genres, personalities..). Some bands need to evolve because their members want more than just cocaine and an MTV camera up their nose 24/7. While others are more than satisfied with selling out and keeping things simple. Metallic went the other way as the 90’s wore on - basically abandoning their “speed metal-ness.” The band Fugazi emerged out of the ashes of Minor Threat And were beyond content with making amazing music for a fan base that cared about what they heard and the satisfaction of feeling as though they learned something and gave something back at the same time ( their music was a social/artistic interaction ). “Grunge” was a media label - just as “punk” was before their generation. The growth and emergence of new technology and the coming of the connection and material/consumer bond with everyone owning a computer - later smart devices, the money stakes getting higher, and the need for the “industry” to continue working at controlling what we all hear (producer-generated/genetically engineered hits) took a big toll at first, then, with the new generations, began what we have today (basically an artistic disaster). In 1989, with a friend from New Jersey and a friend of mine in Mass -- as we were high on hardcore, thrash, noise, and a new musical genre my NJ friend introduced to me called “grindcore” - we went down in my family’s basement, jerry-rigged a boom-box with with y-splitter and ran in a cheap plastic Radio Shack mic and used a set of cheap Walkman headphones to mic a guitar and drums, we basically recorded two dozen grindcore/noisecore/crusty songs in two days. We were young kids who just loved playing and listening music and back then there no iPads, smart phones - but plenty of smart asses!…Anyhoo…As kids (average age between the 3 of us was barely 17) you had to be beyond creative to do anything of that sort. Those days were HILARIOUS!!! And they may never happen that way ever again. Because now they need to happen another way. But this idea that one or two or three or four - or even a dozen - bands in a given genre put all the bands to rest is just absurd. It is the “industry” that is responsible for itself. Just as I am culpable for my own bad mistakes in life. Personally, I find Penelope’s remarks to be cop-outs and a projection from someone who got old and never evolved and grew into anything new. The 80’s were what they were. And back then, as that was my generation, it was the 60’s and a little bit of 70’s that were the nostalgia generations for us - my God my high school dances were dominated by freaking Led Zeppelin - save for the gap of the break-dancing wave and later waves of hip-hop coming at the end of the 80’s into the 90’s - from Tribe Called Quest to N.W.A.. The industry and market manipulators have utterly ruined soooo much in their hunger to be the puppeteers they became.
smart shit dude. it is about the scene more than anything. i was in a band in 1990's we wanted to play thrash and speed metal but in order for any club to book us we had to switch to death metal. ppl dont even mention any of the hardcore bands that helped evove metal like DRI or COC
I totally hear you on that Grisham man. Up here in Mass the scenes were small and VERY aggressive - especially the violence between scene members. When hardcore took off in NY and DC the straight edge scene led the pack here. And if you wanted to play thrash, speed, or black metal (death metal was still the “entangled terrible” so to say back then; it was still evolving). Luckily, we had Providence, RI nearby and that was where we could go to see Nuclear Assault, DRI, COC, as well as Sick of It All, and soooo many others. Sadly most of the old-Time clubs are now gone. It was amazing how back in the day a band would play somewhere and within a month or two young bands would sprout up in their wake. I saw this with late punk, hardcore, speed/thrash, and some death metal - interestingly I never recall anyone starting a band to be like Poison or Warrant…🤣🤣🤣…I always liked Ratt because they had a heavier crunchy sound and Pearcy’s vocals were really snotty and screechy. Now we just have to reach out and make more attempts to connect with others directly and through the Now ever-lasting presence of computers and the internet and technology. I now just try to put the same spirit of the bands I loved back when I was a noisy drum pounder into forms newer to me and incorporating more symphonic-inspired arrangements. And I splash it up for all to hear at my Soundcloud page: soundcloud.com/reza-tokaloo/a-slight-echo-of-dominance-11. But man those old days were such crazy and fun times!!!…🤘🤘🤘🤘😎😎😎😎😎
lol im right near u in hartford CT
You lucky duck! You were closer to NY/NJ than me!!…🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘🤘🤘
yea i didnt go their that much though. if i wanted to go to a show i would go to toads place in new haven idk about you guys but long hair and metal went out of style around here a few years before grunge came out. and i still really dont know what they exactly mean by "killed" i started high school in like 88 and their was only a handful of us. everyone else was going around dressing and talking like vanilla ice. that just made me like it even more. im sure you know how bad these new england preppies were
Odin set the metal world on fire!, The band sold millions of records & performed sold out shows across the globe. The one and only ODIN! ODIN! ODIN! ODIN! ODIN !
Greatest band of their generation.
When people in the future talk about rock n roll, they're going to say, "Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Odin".
rikki rockett is one of the smartest guys in the business and everything he's saying about why the glam scene died and why grunge got watered down is smacked on. i maybe more of a nirvana/pearl jam fan than a glam fan but i would take a lifetime of glam over today's bullshit.
thevoid99 apparently has he built a pretty decent customized drums company
Very true. People forget that for every Nirvana there was a Candlebox. It took like 5 minutes for the money machine to kick in and commercialize the shit out of Grunge. As soon as something makes money it is on borrowed time.
Nobody killed the metal scene. Culture evolves. New trends are formed. People always want something new.
I had it on video back in the day.
Nothing killed metal, it's like every other kind of music, it ran it's course till something new came out. No music last more than a decade, then it goes in a different direction.. Always has always will. It seems now adays, people keep trying to reinvent the wheel. But you can't. You can't bring back dinosaurs, an you can't bring back the 80,s..You can only look back an see what was. Just my opinion, pretty much everything after 91 sucks to me. 2nd an 3rd rate copy's of what was.
I still watch TDoWC Part 2 once every week or two. Reminds me what NOT to do in a band heh
This is great. I don't know why but I always liked Rikky Rachtman
Didn't answer the one question everybody wants to know: We can throw out our 10th generation VHS dubs of 'Metal Years on what date because the DVD/Blu-Ray is coming out? What (or who) is holding the friggin' thing up?!?!? At this point, I expect to see the Jerry Lewis Concentration Camp Clown movie he's got locked up in his vault before I get a real legit DVD copy of The Metal Years..I mean COME ON ALREADY!!!!
The most honest 80s style Hard Rock and Metal was released in the late 70s up to about '85. Bands like Metallica and Guns n Roses flourished in the late 80s but for the most part once MTV grabbed this music, it was all downhill. Same with Grunge, the best Grunge was from the late 80s to say '94. After that, all the kids got fed were rip offs of the good bands. By the late 90s there was hardly any good Grunge or Metal. I grew up a Metal guy but still I was a young kid in the early 90s when Grunge was big. People can shit on Grunge or Metal all they want but at least they both stood for a Rock Generation. Much better than what's happened in the past 20 years in music.
You are 100% right.
What you said about MTV grabbing grunge was one big reason why grunge-lite bands like Creed and Nickelback got big and successful
Agreed, but i’m inclined to also give the many great influential punk/ post punk bands from the 80’s like X, Gun Club, Replacements, Suicidal Tendencies, Pixies, Husker Du, Wipers, and countless others their credit where it is due as well.
Amen, OP.
Shark Island was Gazzari's house band and should have had some part in the film... more than London...
Slash said Penelope asked him and he almost got interviewed but someone in or around Guns thought it was a bad idea
Listen Ricky knock it off. Poison is from Mechanicsburg! We know all about it here! They played at Goodfellas in Pottsville and the inn at pinegrove. I guess I'd try to sound bigger and more important too but c'mon to be saying your playing in Baltimore and all , be proud to all be from here . Decline 2 is a amazing doc. If you haven't seen it go see it . Especially if you like 80s metal . Screw Nirvana anyway!
Did the film maker stay away from Ace Frehley as he would've credibly contradicted their agenda?
Some people say this movie actually killed the metal scene
I'd say it was coz most of the music fuckin sucked
rap killed metal
some sucked some was good
except there was a huge gap between metal dying and rap getting big so......no.
getting big maybe..but it started to gain momentum in the late 80's ..i remember lots of people listening to it ..so yes
Warlord/Bill Tsamis/Deliver Us/1983/North Hollywood, Los Angeles
Early Grunge, Alternative, whatever you wanna call it, was a return to REAL rock and the antithesis to all the late 80s over-produced, vapid, soulless bubblegum metal. Bands like Slaughter tried so hard to imitate the awesomeness of Led Zeppelin and failed miserably, but Soundgarden, Nirvana, and G N' R (yes, NOT a hair band) understood the rawness of that sound and truly delivered music on that level.
Never and still don't dig Poison but Rikki Rockett seems like a pretty sharp dude
He is. Even in the film he comes across with some bits of wisdom like talking about how brief careers are, they would not die if they did not have a hit song, etc. He has created very successful careers for himself outside of Poison and is also a great father to his kids.
+Galen Tong he's pretty much the nicer and smarter member of that fuckin group
Penelope should have visited the Cincinnati scene in The Eighties, The Jockey Club and Bogart's supported a thriving music scene.
Release it on DVD!
I miss Hammerjacks.
baw da moore
Yy Gg Still a shithole!!😂 But I wouldn't want it any other way. Love my town.
Grunge *did* kill the Metal scene, but it wasn't immediate. The very first time I ever flew to L.A. was in the Summer Of '92, where on rock radio they were playing Ozzy Osbourne's fist-pumping "Mr. Tinkertrain" and Vince Neill's butt-shaking "You're Invited (But Your Friend Can't Come)" - from the Pauly Shore flick *ENCINO MAN* (remember that??) - right alongside Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit." That whole period was rockin', man. 🤘🙂 It was beautiful.
I wish Chris Holmes could’ve been on here. He was the star of the movie. And he would be sober. But I think he felt like Penelope Spheeris dogged him
So much ball busting on Odin! 😂 Cut them some slack…in a life and career that’s based on rejection and uncertainty (for everyone at some point) you need a huge amount of self-belief and moxy to stick to it and not give up…or give in. As for the responses to “What happens if you DONT make it?’’ It’s the same kind of thing-you HAVE to believe, until reality comes along and shows you otherwise. The deck is so loaded against you, that it has to start with you believing in yourself. And aside from that, audiences can sense uncertainty and doubt. Rock music, especially live, is about conviction and attitude. It’s funny that we praise our successful rockers for having cocky attitude, yet shit on ‘up and comers’ for having the same. And yeah, personally I didn’t care for Odin’s music…but they get marks for perseverance and self-belief. As a working musician who aspired to fame, I would have given you the same answer myself.
Yeah people knock hair metal, but that was the best doco out of the trilogy.
“Foray” not “foreway” and “rise above the CROP” not “cream”. AUTOCORRECTED.
"In my darkest hour" is one of the best songs.
the metal years i feel was the lamest, it exposed how hair bands and ballads and LOOKS overcame the music, oh and created MTV great job
That's because it's not your generation
NATIVE TONGUE an underestimate album. What a great fucking record. Theater of the Soul \,,/
Damn, Rachtman looks like my insurance agent. He's always wide eyed, and worn out looking, like me not increasing my policy is gonna send his family to the street.
Growing old fkin sucks.
Great documentary, pretty sad that those artists never made it big :/
I’m surprised that Penelope says she hates grunge music, the movie Black sheep that she directed felt very grunge inspired, and plus Mudhoney being in it was fuckin awesome!
RIKKI ROCKETT!!!!!! What a sweetheart. 100% xx
Rocketts hair doo looks like he stoled it from somebody’s middle age aunt from the Jersey suburbs
This was very enjoyable
so when can we see ANY release of this damn film!????
Rockett n Rachtman Rikkin n Rollin
LACMA Panel "The Metal Years" 35mm Original film.
What's up man🤘🤘
I sure miss the height of the metal years
What ever happened to Metal Dork?
Awesome!
xoxo The Clarences
you know the average music cycle lasts only about 10 years anyhow look at the change over the years of how many bands came and went before then or still hung on things are going to change what was Nirvana or not and Nirvana sucks in my opinion but either way that's just the way it is it was a good 10 12 years of metal on the Hollywood scene things had to change it's still there it's just not what it once was
but there is seriously NO rock scene in mainstream right now. the last rock era was nu-metal or emo i forgot what died out first. right now its NOTHING......as far as a popular style.
Actually, most musical trends die out after about 5 years. Hair metal was really popular from about 1986-1990. Grunge was really popular from about 1991-1996.
the rock scene was overblown by 1990, you had second and third generation Crue, Poison ect wannabe bands getting signed when the market was already massively over saturated. The real turning point came with Pretty Boy Floyd, probably the stupidist band ever assembled. A cartoon Motley crue mess of empty nothingness. There was a new generation of rock fans who were getting their kicks from the underground bands like soundgarden and mother love bone. All the undergound scene needed was an anthem and like a killer asteroid Smells like teen spirit rocketted out of nowhere to lay waste to the poseurs. The effect was like slow motion genocide. The hair metal scene gradually disintergrated as grunge rose up out of the underground to rule supreme. In the end only a handful of 80s rock bands survived, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and aerosmith to name just a few. The rest either split up, lost their deals or saw their sales crumble to nothing.
*I still have my metal years VHS somewhere round..!*
Still hands down one of my most favorite comedies....jesus i laughed so hard watching this steaming pile of fecal matter film!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha
Nadir D'Priest's hair looks like a wig prop from the broadway show "Hairspray"..
On a side note, how can someone like Rikki Rockett hold a blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, be a vegan, and still have what looks to be a beer gut ? Lol !
Rhythmista I have a hard time believing a man in mid 50s has hair that black and that thick. Probably a wig. I guess there is only room for one man to wear a bandana and cowboy ALL THE TIME. And we all know who that is
Dont be a Hatter Tool! I have my hair post your Face Chump!
Touch it! I dare You!
he borrowed it from Gene Simmons...
Rocket beat cancer...more badass than any Seattle B's.
Grunge had a shorter shelf life.
Mark Slaughter said it best that by 1994 Metal got hardly any airtime & Slaughter was still out there touring to trickle down crowds. Every genre of music has it heyday but grunge was forced onto the scene because of the initial success of Nirvana. Because of key deaths there is very few Grunge bands that can tour like the 1980s metal bands can to this day.
Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Melvins, Mud Honey,
I mean grunge is still a part of todays music in a way. I'm 21 and most people my age love grunge
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 Alice in Chains was 100% metal. Only marketed as grunge.
I love how these couch surfers sit and critique something that they were never a part of. Either watch it or move on to pimple popping videos. I lived out there during that time, and it had some weirdness to it, but was all around a terrific experience. I’ll always have those memories, while most negative people on here will have remembrance of waiting for the next PS game to come out. Pathetic.
glam and 80s metal is just misunderstood imo, nevermind the hipsterbeards. crapping on 80s metal and faking interest in Nirvana is a rite of passage for these posers
look I get how as an group interview this is supposed to have a reuniony nostalgic feel to it....but its hard to hear these guys reflecting fondly on their "wild free youth" when the most prevalent theme in is the rampant sexism and misogyny of the sunset strip scene. On top of that, movie is essentially about how vapid and poisonous the scene was. Just kids obsessed with getting rich and famous and having all the women in the world. NOT ALL THE MUSICIANS in the movie, but even Steven Tyler sounds like a misogynistic prick...I wish the interview pressed these musicians more to comment on the nature of the scene and so forth...
ow shut up
Fuck off!
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Penelope is right, grunge is/was depressing. Couldn't stand it then, can't stand it now.
+markko17 Grunge is a made up word that attempts to categorize a slew of bands with totally different identities. Not one of those bands sounded the same during the first wave of alternative bands from the 80's and early 90's. You certainly can't say that about all the butt rock bands of the 80's. They all followed the same cookie cutter approach to making music and it shows. The only good thing I can say about the hair metal era is that it produced some great guitar players who unfortunately played terrible uninspired music. A band like Soundgarden had more talent than any 80's group who doused themselves in makeup and hairspray. Soundgarden experimented with odd meters, strange tunings, epic arrangements, and shifting tempos and poly rhythms all of which echo the brilliance and diversity of some of the greats like Zeppelin. No hair band dared stretch their legs like that, they all simply wrote the same songs over and over. The only thing depressing about Grunge is that the media hyped it to the point of producing copycats and saturated it through all forms of advertising and entertainment. The media killed grunge, the hair bands killed themselves by never growing and producing the same records time and time again.
i used to use a product called Grunge Off in the late 70's and early 80's...it was a clear liquid to clean residue off my bong...ha! ..true story!
How old are you? IF your around 25?? You still don't have an opinion.., yet.
Penelope may not like grunge, but Decline Part II has been credited for helping spark the explosion due to people's disgust for the film's portrayal of excess, much to her dismay.
I like both styles of music. Sometimes I feel like listening to party music. Sometimes I feel like listening to something a bit darker. I'd hate to write off an entire genre of music and experiences.
Chris Holmes est parti chez nous en France pour goûter le bon vin français, plus classe que les 40 bouteilles de Smirnoff.
First words out of Rachtman's mouth he's talking about his alleged punk cred.
Glam metal is anger expressed? Its just about partying, getting girls....
It's funny how the vast majority of people born before 1970 hates grunge
Grunge was most popular with people born in the late 70's, after all they were very impressionable when grunge got to be popular in the early 90's.
@@ryanjacobson2508 yeah I'd say the main audience was born between 1974 and 1979
Most of the artists were born before 1970.
Poison is not METAL, Lizzie Borden is METAL. Rikki Rachtman is a Nut Sack poser. He killed the Ball. The Metal years is a good flick, mostly fiction, still a good movie.
"The Escobar Years" 22:22
And now....
Rock-n-roll is dead...rip
NO TUFF!!!!!
Shout out to Hammerjacks!
its funny how ronnie jame dio one of the inventors of metal says poison and MTV killed metal and i couldnt agree more. rock has always been about weird styles but these guys went waaay overboard and pretty much opend the door for grunge.
I want to know what happened to the two girls who were into group sex?
Omg so the gman stopped us from flyering...
Riki Rachtman has aged quite nice. 😘
And the London singer was an A hole to work with in the industry.Nikki Sixx was fired from London, cause he didn't get on with him. And he went on to better things with Motley Crue!!
+Johnny Marlin Nadir wasn't the singer when Nikki Sixx was in London. That was Nigel Benjamin. Lizzie Grey talks about it in The Rise And Rise of Motley Crue.
Nadir wasn't in London when Nikki left the band, and Nikki did *leave* the band. He wasn't fired.
NIKKI SIXX left You Tool!
Thank you :)
Nadir D'Priest You are correct mate 👍🍻
The Cathouse ?!? The SCREAM CLUB dominated the scene!!!
"Moderator DJ Will"? So he's not a musician but someone that plays with a laptop on stage?
To say that a working class townie burn out - turned punk fan from Aberdeen, Washington had the sole power of the universe to “destroy” an entire genre of popular music is just laughable. I was never a huge fan of Nirvana, but I have always respected them for the riffs and music - And Grohls nasty drumming! The same goes for the Stooges. They are “blamed” for the end of 60’s peace and love movement(??). There were garage bands like The Fummin Humins already doing crazy stuff before them. But at this point, consumerism has ruined any possible scene now as young kids claiming to be metal because they heard it video games are driven by their parents to play a faux-metal in Downtown NY in order to make it on social media. Merit in anything is long gone in this culture……or……is it..??!…Hopefully it is never too late for the human race…🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘😎😎😎😎😎
Rainbow and the cat house
Hilarious that someone as wild as Dave Mustaine came out looking smart and cool
I guess the one Milli vanilli guy ended up being an interviewer.
No, that guy just looks like one of the Milli Vanilli people. In fact, the only living Milli Vanilli member speaks in a French accent, not an American accent.
dave mathews band - racist much?
@Alysin Chainz the david mathews band person makes a weak ass generalization about the interviewer, a legit rock industry veteran, strictly based on his physical appearance due to his ancestry. does that answer your question?
Alysin Chainz racist
Rikki was right. If they outlawed flyers. How could they advertise?
Riki naming some late 70s british synth stuff is irrelevant. Anyone cool would have been watching the screamers, germs, skulls, weirdos or simpletones play instead.
Riki will always be a dork, but I dug him on the ball just because sometimes it was unintentional comedy, but also he would do subtle digs on some really shitty bands too which made up for his dorkiness, it was fun.
"i didnt like the grunge scene because it was anger turned inward"
too bad shes too weak to face her demons yo instead of societies demons
She's still here tho, and most of the 80s guys are still here. Grunge lost lots of guys
@@tomaxxamot4906 true most 80s people did coke and lived while the 90s turned to H and od’d. My point was about the message, not the mortality rate. Punk was about society failing them, grunge was about you failing yourself, sorta
there was no good rock in the mainstream since the 70's period theres good music everywheere just not in the mainstream
Part 1 is great but 2 was basically all doctored footage with redacted and cringey celebrities like Steven Tyler and those morons from Kiss & Poison. Part 3 is fine I guess.
whos got real hair and who doesn't on stage?
Rikki you are awesome to me you Will NEVER be a hasbeen
Yup. He was actually “never was”.
5:40 No you weren't.
lol somehow I knew that it would be Riki Rachtman saying some bullshit..
*****
yea he cut his hair and started wearing flannel like the day after Nevermind came out lol
yeah, becuase people can't change and start liking new things.. thats totally outrageous!!!!
i know he was glammed up, but look at TSOL, they changed to glam in the eighties, why is Riki changing to that (and then going another direction) unbelievable? Is there any evidence of this? I don't think he's a douche, he's just a dork, lol. I don't take him seriously, but it was entertaining to watch him on the ball, especially when there were like these 3rd wave second rate glam metal bands he would roll his eyes at and you could see he didn't give a fuck. It was funny as shit
+virtue96 You're missing the point. The criticism is not about him simply changing or liking new things; the criticism is that he changes based on what's cool and acceptable at any given time. In other words, he's a poser.