Let's not forget: Messi missed 22 games for club and country due to injury in 2013. Even then, he had 45 goals that calendar year. Even then he had more assists than CR7 that calendar year and had he not missed those games would've, statistically, equaled CR7 in goals and surpassed even more in goal contributions.
messi also won la liga with recored 100 points, spanish supercup, la liga best player, la liga best forward, european golden boot, UEFA best 2nd place, 46 goals in la liga most by any player and 60 goals in whole eurpean season most by any player but ronaldo won the balondor with no trophies or MVP of any tournament
@@Limesdesise no its true and ronaldo got injured in 2014 and he won 2 ballondors for that year because in 2013 ribbery was the best player and messi was 2nd and ribbery won the ballondor but for some reason they postponded the ceremony and got revoted again and at the time it was 2014 ronaldo aka the best prime of ronaldo and he won it so ribbery and messi was robbed of the 2013 dor
yapperboy. there is no "Messi class". Infact, prime messi had a better team than prime ronaldo's team. i respect messi he is arguably one of the best player ever, but still u gotta have "ball knowledge".
@@pokespace5656 he trynna say Messi is one of kind and no player really touched his level yet. Messi was 25 when they started to call him the greatest ever. The Messi and Ronaldo debate is only forced by Media, Lionel had the better of him every time they faced h2h, more goals, assists and mom. Plus u can’t compare them, different playstyle, Ronaldo is a goal scorer, Physical machine while Messi is a playmaker, he creates, dribbles, scores, assists. Ronaldo profited a lot from the team built around him, if he has playmakers behind him he can shine, he fitted the system while Messi was the system. Ronaldo is not a chance creator, he’s a goal scoring phenom, Messi is an anomaly, a glitch in the Matrix.
Its just a media debate not a debate between players because Messi is undisputed, you cannot compare him with anybody else, he was in a different galaxy
the thing is simple...I'll try to explain. Premise I've been a super fan of Leo since 2005. People who criticize Cristiano are either in bad faith...or really have little to do with football...Having been for 12 years...on par or at least a step below...Leo...means being super super super phenomena. As far as I'm concerned CR7...he's easily among the top 5/6 of all time...the rest is hot air! Greetings from Italy.
@@SidRay1760 Messi is the greatest player to ever touch a football. BY FAR. Nobody comes close to him. Pele is 2nd, Maradona 3rd, and R9 4th. Notice all 4 have been to at least 2 WCup finals. All have won at least one. All have won at least one WCup Golden ball MVP. Only one of them has (2). That's why he's the GOAT. 🇦🇷🐐🏆🏆🏆🇦🇷
@@christosnikitakis6675 zidane won world cup too .. doesn't make him better than Cristiano Ronaldo. Worldcup doesn't define how good a player is. If you go by such stats...toni kroos is better than messi.
@@SidRay1760 OF COURSE ZIDANE IS BETTER THAN RONALDO!!! Are you kidding me dude?? As an older ex footballer, I've seen them all except Pele. The consensus has this order: 1) Messi. 2) Pele. 3) Maradona, 4) R9. 5) Zidane. All 5 have been to at least 2 WCup finals. All 5 have won at least one. All 5 have won WCup Golden ball MVP's. One of them has 2. That's why he's the GOAT. 🇦🇷🐐🏆🏆🏆🇦🇷
Messi achieved what he did without ever being obsessed abt records and caring abt his statistics. He was always unselfish on the pitch and he still dominates, imagine what would happen if messi was obsessed with his stats like Ronaldo 💀
At a certain point for Madrid ronaldo couldn’t do what Messi could from a complete footballing perspective. Messi has always had the edge in passing, dribbling, dropping deeper and powering the team creatively. If Messi stayed as the most forward player for 10 years he would’ve won another few golden boots. If he dropped deeper earlier like he did from 2018 onwards his assist numbers, dribbling numbers and key passes numbers would be absurd. Both fantastic but Messi does stuff no other player can do
I see a lot of people being messi fans after his world cup victory and disrespecting ronaldo. I have been a football fan since 2010's and those who have seen these both don't usually speak about the Debate because they know that these both completed each other in a way or so. It was a poetic fairytale to watch them play back then.
There is simply no comparison. Messi is in a different league. This debate is media forced, even CR7 knows deep in his heart he is nowhere close to Messi.
I think they were both perfect players in their fields. Ronaldo was the most complete attacker football has ever seen. He had it all. Dribbling, speed, shooting, headers, strength etc. in combination are just not repeatable. Messi on the other hand was a perfect playmaker. His dribbling, vision, passing and finishing were out of this world making him impossible to play against. The difference between the two was defenders knew exactly what Ronaldo was going to do and they couldn’t stop him, while with Messi they had no clue what he was going to do, so they couldn’t stop him. In my opinion Messi’s prime years ie 2011, 2012, 2015 couldn’t be matched by Ronaldo, but neither could Messi match Ronaldo’s consistency even in his older years (Ronaldo scored 50+ goals at 38). That’s why I think at the end of the day comparing their whole careers is unreasonable and the debate will continue until this is accepted.
@@stranger07107 I did. Think I watched more than 50% of every Barca and Real Madrid games during exactly those years. My statement above is based on not only stats but my observation and others endless analysis
@@stranger07107deluded. Messi in his best seasons and years destroyed ronaldo at goal contribution. Dribbling stats. Playmaking stats. Messi 14/15 has 93 G/A and 350 dribbles won in all comps. 266 at ucl + league only. Ronaldo prime dribbling is 139 in league + ucl at united. But at united he has normal numbers at G/A. At Real Madrid he has still less G/A and much more less dribbles and playmaking stats. Go to messivsronaldo app and see Messi 2011 2012 2015 is miles better than every ronaldo version.
@@stranger07107If Ballon d'ors were given according to most gls per year, Messi would have 9 and CR with 4. It's not about gls. Yet Messi still beat him in total assists, European Golden boots, and total gl contributions. It's not even close, if you figure in that CR has played 140 more matches than Messi. This BS debate was over years ago. Not after 2022.
I've never heard anyone compare Ronaldo to Maradona and Pele, the two supposed best players of all time. Yet you always hear the debate between Messi, Maradona and Pele... With the World Cup and those performances to win the World Cup... It's now not even a debate.
@@Nearthyare you going crazy or something? What madness are you saying that crap bro no freaking way that is true no way. You needs to get your brain checked out
@@Nearthyin what way tho messi could play as much up front as ronaldo and have better numbers but ronaldo could not drop as deep as Messi and have the same numbers Messi did because he isn’t as good as a creator or at crating his own chances
Messi is a better player in general but not in all aspects, Ronaldo is untouchable when it comes to speed, headers, knuckleballs, trivellas, power shots, bicycle kicks, This guy can literally score any possible imaginable way. Something that Messi lacks
You showed your negative ball knowledge Cristiano is one of the worst bicycle kick scorers He tried is so many times and failed so so many times. He just has very few goals scored and one of that turned out to be beautiful. He isn't a good bicycle kick scorer He is definitely one of the best in headers, if not the best Do you even know that how rare does he score knuckle balls?? Have some knowledge about what you say@@tomkennedy9902
@@tomkennedy9902 No! Messi is better at trivella and speed with ball at the feet. Bicycle kick idk why we should compare when their total goals are 3-1?? Headers sure but Messi is the one doing the crossing. Knuckleball also true but why does it matter if players like Messi, Beckham and Dinho can simply bend the ball over the wall.
Ronaldo is better than Messi you just hating pele and maradona are no where near Ronaldo Ronaldo is the true goat people just hating on Ronaldo just because he had a bad World Cup which is bullshit
Also add he had a bullshit euros.Penaldo the goat when it comes to ghosting😂😂0 KO wcup goals in over close to two decades,0 MVP player of the tournament n golden boot in 11 international tournaments with Portugal(in 6 euros n 5 wcups).We call that GHOSTING😁😁😁
Messi is such a good playmaker that if he never scored a single goal in his career, he'd still go down as one of the best players ever... But he also scored 800+ goals. For me it's Messi and it's not close. I'm 38 so I've seen both their careers front to back and it always reminded me of the Van Nistlerooy/Henry debate where for me again it wasn't close. Henry and Ruud scored a similar amount of goals every year and for Ruud fans that was enough to make them equals. Even though Henry would be right up there in assists in the Prem every year if not flat out lead the league in assists and then you have to look at the caliber of goals of both men. Henry can score from literally anywhere. He can and did create a lot of his own goals from nothing and scored some of the greatest goals of all time whereas Ruud would be a guy who would often receive the ball in the box and smash it in. Now you can literally swap Ruud Van Nistlerooy's name for Ronaldo and Henry's name for Messi in what i just wrote and it's the same.
112 GA , multiple trebles , making Ferguson sh*t on his seat and dragging your country to 7 international finals and you are being compared to a WC flop. Messi is truly the most underrated GOAT of any sport
He dragged Argentina to the Copa final in 2015 scoring 0 npg? Dragged them in 2016 despite having no match winners? Dragged them in 2014 despite having no contribution in the WC KO rounds?
@@Miuranger1 What is NPG....?? Don't forget Messi is a playmaker when he Doesn’t score... This is the sole reason He is regarded best player even if when he Doesn’t have the goal scoring stats....
Ronaldo had more good years in terms of performance however when Messi had good years he would win more than Ronaldo and was just unstoppable, Ronaldo is more consistent while Messi is more spontaneous.
I Love Them Both but for Me Messi takes it because he’s achieved more in his career. Messi in 2012 and Noodle hair Ronaldo were😮💨🌟, For Me, Lionel Messi Is The Greatest Of All Time🐐.
@@amaanariz even France got 3 penalty and my guy is correct do you know anything about Ronaldo dribble? and assist obviously no because he is one of the most selfish player you can see.
@@senpaiyt1948 he was an absolute dribbling machine in his real madrid and man United days, and he was pretty smooth (not prime) at Juventus as well. And as for assists, he has about 250 assists, so there is your argument nullnand void
@@christosnikitakis6675 yeah it isn't, one has 60 goals and 15 assists for his club and country at the age of 39, and the other isn't able to play a tournament these days without spraining his ankle, or doing some other damage even at the age of 36
@@stranger07107 60 goals and 15 assists you say, AND HE STILL DIDN'T WIN ANYTHING WITH THE CLUB OR NATIONAL TEAM! 😂 60 goals you say, AND HE STILL COULDN'T SCORE IN THE COMPETITION THAT MATTERS THE MOST. 😂 15 assists you say, AND HE STILL COULDN'T HELP ANY OF HIS TEAMMATES IN THE GAMES THAT MATTER THE MOST. 😂 But instead we all saw him crying like a b*tch against THE MIGHTY Slovenia because he missed a crucial penalty. 😂😂😂 And the other one, with a broken ankle, won with his national team, and his club is #1 in the league. Imagine if he wasn't injured. 😂
WHY IS THIS BS STILL A DEBATE?? Messi has destroyed Ronaldo in every aspect. More open gls. More assists. More motms. More WCup Golden ball MVP'S. More individual trophies. More tesm championships. More Trebles. More Continental Championships, and messi has played 130 less matches. 🇦🇷🐐🏆 THIS WAS NEVER A DEBATE.
@@christosnikitakis6675Of course, it was never a debate. Cristiano was a nice compact player, but he had a restricted generational skillset. Not a T10 dribbler or passer. Not a T10 free kick taker. I'd only give him all-time heading & goalscoring prowess, reliant on the powerful midfield he had at Man Utd & Real Madrid. Messi is the greatest ball dribbler the game has seen, one of the greatest ball passers (easily T5 final ball assister), an all-time playmaker, freekick taker, and goalscorer. He's got far more generational skillsets. 🐐⚽️ #Messi
@@johnpacino007 Cr7 definitely comes out on top, I always love how messi fans ignore that messi never even played at the best league but then brings his stats against EPL teams, ignoring he did that with prime barca. Also, this channel is a Messi fanboy channel, so I'd care less about the comment section of Messi fanboy crybabies.
Imagine Messi won his World Cup on the bench the way Ronaldo won his Euro .(injured or not the Ronaldo fans would’ve tried to use that as an excuse to water it down)
Its time to look out for Josiah Smith. He is only 7 now but he will definitely be one of the greats to play the game. Oh almost forget he is from Jamaica!
Don't kid yourself. Ronaldo true prime was 2007 to 2014 until the injury. Then, from 2015 -18, he was controlling his physical decline really well. Banging goals made up for them years
Why, why, why, why are you ppl comparing these players. They completely different. Ronaldo is a goalscorer, a no.9, a striker. Messi is a attacking midfielder, he just happens to score a lot of goals because he's a freak of nature.
@@spainyamal yes he's that but the point is he has more weapons and can play in multiple positions. Having Messi is like having 2 or 3 additional players in your team because that's how productive he is
Ronaldo has never even been compared to Pele or Maradona only Messi .Ronaldinho was compared to them even R9 in his prime was compared to Maradona and Pele.Debate over Also in UCL finals Ronaldo never scored the decesive goal in all 5 at united he won it in Penalties at Madrid he always scored when the results were clear it was Bale and Ramos who saved Madrid he scored Penalties and Ronaldo stans say he is clutch hell no he isn't.Messi scored in 09 final 2011 final and helped the team in 2015 win Ronaldo fans need to stop this debate is like Drake vs Kendrick at this point.
The thing is, ronaldo only could compare with Messi in his prime, messi won the world cup 2 years ago, and the Golden ball, the thing is, ronaldo only can compare with Messi meanwhile he played for Madrid
When it comes to being a footballer through and through you have a better chance of comparing Ronaldo to a player like Haaland who are just gol merchants Messi is in a universe of his own he can play in the midfield or out wide or as a 9 or a false 9 that is what a complete player is
Ronaldo was in his prime from 2008 to 2020(Cristiano Ronaldo did more for Portugal. Portugal had no trophies before Cristiano and had no history before Ronaldo. Argentina had history and had players who could carry him and in Barcelona when he started with the help of Ronaldinho, Xavi, Puyol, Iniesta and more. Ronaldo had to do himself when he was in sporting he carried them and had no help no one to teach him to good players in the club to help him. Now to the Nations before Ronaldo no trophies and all and than Ronaldo came 2004 made it to the Euro final, 2006 made it to the semi final of the World Cup, 2008 quarter final of euro, 2012 semi final of euro after teammate missing pen, 2016 Winners of the euro and Ronaldo leadership helped so much after Ronaldo told the player who missed in the 2012 euro semi final to take the penalty, 2019 Nations League, 2022 quarter final after the coach benched Ronaldo because he was playing bad because one of his family members died, 2024 quarter final of Euro. After Ronaldo 2 trophy’s Portugal had no trophies before and don’t get me started on the Messi ballon dors and World Cup and I can make a whole essay why the World Cup and some of Messi ballon dors were rigged.)
Ronaldo anyday His speed, his dribbling considering his height, long range bangers, headers, passing till 2013 ( very underrated ). Messi was a beast no doubt but he played around a well set system something Ronaldo didn’t get till 2014 by the time his injury took away all his skills. Not to forget Ronaldo’s overall impact with his aura and mentality. The GOAT.
@@syukrihantu tendinosis search it up. Ronaldo used to dribble till 2014 we all know, he would not suddenly just stop dribbling unless there’s something holding him back. Neymar never had tendinosis.
@TheOwnerOfRealMadri exactly, he relied on his speed to dribble since he doesnt have a short height like messi. Tall players dont dribble that well for long but ronaldo did till 2014 (29 yrs old). So the only answer is that damn injury. His injury took away his confidence and ability, he became to cautious while dribbling if he wanted to continue at the top level for long. He decided to focus more on finishing than creation.
Not like Ronaldo hasn't had the likes of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Marcelo, Rooney, Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic I could go on and on and on 😂
Who is saying Ronald is a better at shooting than Messi is wrong messi won the golden boots 6 times Ronaldo won 4 the only reason he has more goals than messi is because he was playing before messi
@@Dajacb-b7o explain what you mean by "better" because Messi has the best touch and good playmaking but Ronaldo has better shooting and 1 on 1 dribbling so in what aspect
@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620 I meant when the time both played in spain 2009-2018 ( when messi was at barca and Ronaldo in Madrid) , messi was better than Cristiano, stats ( 2009-2018) prove it. Also messi has better 1 on 1 dribbling
Imagine being called Penaldo as a nickname the thing Ronaldo is best at is Messi’s biggest weakness he’s terrible at penalties he much rather dribble through your whole defense 😂
@@ahmadaliyu7206 I did NOT just read this. Messi literally had a million times worse team than real Madrids. AND HE STILL DOMINATED LALIGA. you CANNOT compare these 2. they are both the best players but statistically and from my observations (well I had only watched some like hundred matches so im not THAT good at observation) Messi is better. I will say Ronaldo is more fun to watch cause long shot with power go brrr.
@@superhamburgerman LOL prime Barca is called the greatest team in history, and yet you say that he didn’t have a great team?? What a joke. Ronaldo was one of the reasons Madrid were able to compete with Barca at that time. Everyone knows that during that period Barca was the best team in the world. Madrid were still building their team, with the galacticos 2.0.
@@vfamily4396 based off what though? The stats aren’t as good. Both scored great goals, I’d argue Messi’s better as well. Along with his passion / link up play etc which Ronaldo doesn’t have
@madams989 2008 Ronaldo was definitely the better one, his goals was definitely better top, he could dribble and shoot rockets, he could do everything, he was a playmaker at times too, got 2nd behind xavi, he did everything. That's just prime, in career wise, cr7 is definitely the goat alongside Pele due to both playing at the hardest league of their times.
Bro this was so messi biased its crazy a lot of things were left out like you didnt even mention the fact Cristiano scored 60 for 4 consecutive seasons and so much more and you also didnt sound too happy when talking about ronaldos achievements or i guess its me but you didnt sound too happy about it good vid tho
This analysis is incomplete without talking about Messi playing with what was essentially the Spanish national team when it was the greatest national team of all time. He played with Xavi and Iniesta. Ronaldo played with some great talent at Manchester and Real Madrid, but he didn't play with Xavi. Comparing their national team success is also problematic, because Messi played for Argentina alongside Di Maria, while Ronaldo played for a strong but not outstanding Portugal squad. And many of Messi's goals were scored against weak teams. Ronaldo played better against better competition.
@@matthewalexander1943 Messi didn't have 2 Ballon d'or winners passing to him, like Benz and Modric. All those superstars and CR STILL with ZERO TREBLES. While Messi won 2. Messi vs CR in head to head clashes: Messi Destroys him 16-11 and 9 ties. Sorry kid. 💀🐫💩
@@christosnikitakis6675 Messi was playing with the Spanish national team, which was the greatest of all time. Modric is awesome., but he is not Xavi. You talk about head to head,, as if it were one on one. You talk about Real Madrid superstars, as if Barcelona did not have any. When Messi went to Argentina, he lost until recently, which has more to do with the people around him. When Ronaldo went to Portugal,. he won.
@@matthewalexander1943u mean barcelona was the spanish national team? for argentina the his teamates played for him. u can not tell me the players that world cup were called world class before that. beside messi, de paul, di maria, and lautaro. ronaldo had no one for his primes of but as of recently he’s had the best portugal squad. ronaldo, bruno fernandez, bernardo silva, pepe, dias, raphael leao, joao cancelo. those players are regarded better than argentina players in the wc 2022
Let's not forget: Messi missed 22 games for club and country due to injury in 2013. Even then, he had 45 goals that calendar year. Even then he had more assists than CR7 that calendar year and had he not missed those games would've, statistically, equaled CR7 in goals and surpassed even more in goal contributions.
messi also won la liga with recored 100 points, spanish supercup, la liga best player, la liga best forward, european golden boot, UEFA best 2nd place, 46 goals in la liga most by any player and 60 goals in whole eurpean season most by any player but ronaldo won the balondor with no trophies or MVP of any tournament
I didn't know that ngl. Crazy .
@@bigtex1238 ya messi never had a bad season even when he's injured
@@MachoManEditznot true and ronaldo got a life changing injury ruing his career
@@Limesdesise no its true and ronaldo got injured in 2014 and he won 2 ballondors for that year because in 2013 ribbery was the best player and messi was 2nd and ribbery won the ballondor but for some reason they postponded the ceremony and got revoted again and at the time it was 2014 ronaldo aka the best prime of ronaldo and he won it so ribbery and messi was robbed of the 2013 dor
This is not a debate, there's world class (Ronaldo) and there's Messi class, its a class above all others..
yapperboy. there is no "Messi class". Infact, prime messi had a better team than prime ronaldo's team. i respect messi he is arguably one of the best player ever, but still u gotta have "ball knowledge".
@@pokespace5656 he trynna say Messi is one of kind and no player really touched his level yet. Messi was 25 when they started to call him the greatest ever. The Messi and Ronaldo debate is only forced by Media, Lionel had the better of him every time they faced h2h, more goals, assists and mom. Plus u can’t compare them, different playstyle, Ronaldo is a goal scorer, Physical machine while Messi is a playmaker, he creates, dribbles, scores, assists. Ronaldo profited a lot from the team built around him, if he has playmakers behind him he can shine, he fitted the system while Messi was the system. Ronaldo is not a chance creator, he’s a goal scoring phenom, Messi is an anomaly, a glitch in the Matrix.
@@pokespace5656 messi is by far the best Player ever i dont even know why we still need to argue about it lol
@pokespace5656 bro messu not has better team at that time real madrid has world class player
@@hardbassjunkie8667not true pele best player ever ronaldo second and messi third argue with me u wont win since ronaldo better
Its just a media debate not a debate between players because Messi is undisputed, you cannot compare him with anybody else, he was in a different galaxy
facts
Pov: you watched football after World Cup
@@alexcorrales7322 Nah your just a salty glazer stay mad
the thing is simple...I'll try to explain. Premise I've been a super fan of Leo since 2005. People who criticize Cristiano are either in bad faith...or really have little to do with football...Having been for 12 years...on par or at least a step below...Leo...means being super super super phenomena. As far as I'm concerned CR7...he's easily among the top 5/6 of all time...the rest is hot air! Greetings from Italy.
Messi is unprecedented ,incomparable , a blend of a statistical anomaly and a magical player
@@riditsrivastava497 use these words in an examination...it'll help you more than appreciating messi lol. We all know he's a genius
@@SidRay1760 Messi is the greatest player to ever touch a football. BY FAR. Nobody comes close to him. Pele is 2nd, Maradona 3rd, and R9 4th. Notice all 4 have been to at least 2 WCup finals. All have won at least one. All have won at least one WCup Golden ball MVP. Only one of them has (2). That's why he's the GOAT. 🇦🇷🐐🏆🏆🏆🇦🇷
@@christosnikitakis6675 zidane won world cup too .. doesn't make him better than Cristiano Ronaldo. Worldcup doesn't define how good a player is. If you go by such stats...toni kroos is better than messi.
You're just a biased messi fan. And it's ok.
@@SidRay1760 OF COURSE ZIDANE IS BETTER THAN RONALDO!!! Are you kidding me dude?? As an older ex footballer, I've seen them all except Pele. The consensus has this order: 1) Messi. 2) Pele. 3) Maradona, 4) R9. 5) Zidane. All 5 have been to at least 2 WCup finals. All 5 have won at least one. All 5 have won WCup Golden ball MVP's. One of them has 2. That's why he's the GOAT. 🇦🇷🐐🏆🏆🏆🇦🇷
Messi achieved what he did without ever being obsessed abt records and caring abt his statistics. He was always unselfish on the pitch and he still dominates, imagine what would happen if messi was obsessed with his stats like Ronaldo 💀
Exactly imagined if he boasted about it all he wouldve got into all ronaldo fans head😂😂 and they wouldnt do shit
Is that why he statpadded 9 goals in 5 games after the title was decided to Steal the GB from ronaldo?😂😂
@@Miuranger1 Messi has DESTROYED RONALDO IN CAREER GL CONTRIBUTIONS. Messi has played 130 LESS MATCHES. It's not even close. 💀
Did Ronaldo tell you himself he’s obsessed with his stats?
Messi is an introvert and a very private person. But to say he wasn't obsessed with attaining greatness is just gullible.
Messi
At a certain point for Madrid ronaldo couldn’t do what Messi could from a complete footballing perspective. Messi has always had the edge in passing, dribbling, dropping deeper and powering the team creatively. If Messi stayed as the most forward player for 10 years he would’ve won another few golden boots. If he dropped deeper earlier like he did from 2018 onwards his assist numbers, dribbling numbers and key passes numbers would be absurd. Both fantastic but Messi does stuff no other player can do
I see a lot of people being messi fans after his world cup victory and disrespecting ronaldo. I have been a football fan since 2010's and those who have seen these both don't usually speak about the Debate because they know that these both completed each other in a way or so. It was a poetic fairytale to watch them play back then.
Messi offered more tools for his team than Cristiano.
There is simply no comparison. Messi is in a different league. This debate is media forced, even CR7 knows deep in his heart he is nowhere close to Messi.
I think they were both perfect players in their fields. Ronaldo was the most complete attacker football has ever seen. He had it all. Dribbling, speed, shooting, headers, strength etc. in combination are just not repeatable. Messi on the other hand was a perfect playmaker. His dribbling, vision, passing and finishing were out of this world making him impossible to play against. The difference between the two was defenders knew exactly what Ronaldo was going to do and they couldn’t stop him, while with Messi they had no clue what he was going to do, so they couldn’t stop him. In my opinion Messi’s prime years ie 2011, 2012, 2015 couldn’t be matched by Ronaldo, but neither could Messi match Ronaldo’s consistency even in his older years (Ronaldo scored 50+ goals at 38). That’s why I think at the end of the day comparing their whole careers is unreasonable and the debate will continue until this is accepted.
Peak Messi was better and it's not even a debate. Better stats, better on the eye-test and better performances
Ronaldo has never reached the level of Messi 2011, 2012 and 2015.
Watch him in 2008, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015
@@stranger07107 I did. Think I watched more than 50% of every Barca and Real Madrid games during exactly those years. My statement above is based on not only stats but my observation and others endless analysis
@@stranger07107deluded. Messi in his best seasons and years destroyed ronaldo at goal contribution. Dribbling stats. Playmaking stats. Messi 14/15 has 93 G/A and 350 dribbles won in all comps. 266 at ucl + league only. Ronaldo prime dribbling is 139 in league + ucl at united. But at united he has normal numbers at G/A. At Real Madrid he has still less G/A and much more less dribbles and playmaking stats. Go to messivsronaldo app and see Messi 2011 2012 2015 is miles better than every ronaldo version.
You forgot 2022! Also, Oct 30 2023, when Messi won his 8th, and CR wasn't even nominated for Ballon d'or. 🤣
@@stranger07107If Ballon d'ors were given according to most gls per year, Messi would have 9 and CR with 4. It's not about gls. Yet Messi still beat him in total assists, European Golden boots, and total gl contributions. It's not even close, if you figure in that CR has played 140 more matches than Messi. This BS debate was over years ago. Not after 2022.
it's Messi if you actually know something about the game
Huh if u had watched football since 2016 other than 2022,u'd know that Ronaldo is the GOAT
@@5411-rh4xb If you watched football since 2009 you now Messi the Goat.
@@5411-rh4xb yes yes and the earth is also flat
@@5411-rh4xbwhy other than 2022 bcz messi won wc
@@5411-rh4xb why 2016? That was already after Ronaldos peak prime
I believe it is quite clear who's prime it is , Messi
I've never heard anyone compare Ronaldo to Maradona and Pele, the two supposed best players of all time. Yet you always hear the debate between Messi, Maradona and Pele... With the World Cup and those performances to win the World Cup... It's now not even a debate.
Ronaldo sees Messi as his greatest competitor whereas Messi sees Ronaldo as a regular fellow footballer.
Not really they both see each other as a competitor
Yeah no you Just pulled this out of your ass did Messi tell you that must be fun hanging out with hil
The debate can rage on if you like but the fact is Messi is the goat
And he always will be
nah bro if you take prime messi and prime ronaldo they would have an equal skill level
And how can u say that@@Nearthy
@@Nearthyare you going crazy or something? What madness are you saying that crap bro no freaking way that is true no way. You needs to get your brain checked out
@@Nearthyin what way tho messi could play as much up front as ronaldo and have better numbers but ronaldo could not drop as deep as Messi and have the same numbers Messi did because he isn’t as good as a creator or at crating his own chances
Both are special in their own way
Messi was far more better than Ronaldo in all aspects of the game.
Messi is a better player in general but not in all aspects, Ronaldo is untouchable when it comes to speed, headers, knuckleballs, trivellas, power shots, bicycle kicks, This guy can literally score any possible imaginable way. Something that Messi lacks
You showed your negative ball knowledge
Cristiano is one of the worst bicycle kick scorers
He tried is so many times and failed so so many times. He just has very few goals scored and one of that turned out to be beautiful.
He isn't a good bicycle kick scorer
He is definitely one of the best in headers, if not the best
Do you even know that how rare does he score knuckle balls?? Have some knowledge about what you say@@tomkennedy9902
@@tomkennedy9902and messi dribbling balance and ball control is out of this world.something that roanldo lacks.
@@tomkennedy9902messi better in most aspects of the game,Ronaldo is only great in all aspects of goal scoring no overall aspects
@@tomkennedy9902
No! Messi is better at trivella and speed with ball at the feet. Bicycle kick idk why we should compare when their total goals are 3-1??
Headers sure but Messi is the one doing the crossing.
Knuckleball also true but why does it matter if players like Messi, Beckham and Dinho can simply bend the ball over the wall.
Maradona and Pele were always Messi's competition, Ronaldo's biggest achievement is being compared to Messi
Ronaldo is better than Messi you just hating pele and maradona are no where near Ronaldo Ronaldo is the true goat people just hating on Ronaldo just because he had a bad World Cup which is bullshit
How is he better than messi ? Height ?@@chip9866
@@chip9866 Messi is way better
@@chip9866he is just a goalscorer he ain't close to messi ,Maradona,pele or r9(r9 is debatable tho)
Also add he had a bullshit euros.Penaldo the goat when it comes to ghosting😂😂0 KO wcup goals in over close to two decades,0 MVP player of the tournament n golden boot in 11 international tournaments with Portugal(in 6 euros n 5 wcups).We call that GHOSTING😁😁😁
Messi is such a good playmaker that if he never scored a single goal in his career, he'd still go down as one of the best players ever... But he also scored 800+ goals. For me it's Messi and it's not close. I'm 38 so I've seen both their careers front to back and it always reminded me of the Van Nistlerooy/Henry debate where for me again it wasn't close. Henry and Ruud scored a similar amount of goals every year and for Ruud fans that was enough to make them equals. Even though Henry would be right up there in assists in the Prem every year if not flat out lead the league in assists and then you have to look at the caliber of goals of both men. Henry can score from literally anywhere. He can and did create a lot of his own goals from nothing and scored some of the greatest goals of all time whereas Ruud would be a guy who would often receive the ball in the box and smash it in. Now you can literally swap Ruud Van Nistlerooy's name for Ronaldo and Henry's name for Messi in what i just wrote and it's the same.
112 GA , multiple trebles , making Ferguson sh*t on his seat and dragging your country to 7 international finals and you are being compared to a WC flop.
Messi is truly the most underrated GOAT of any sport
He dragged Argentina to the Copa final in 2015 scoring 0 npg? Dragged them in 2016 despite having no match winners? Dragged them in 2014 despite having no contribution in the WC KO rounds?
how you can say he is the most UNDERRATED goat? like for almost everybody he is the greatest football player
@@Miuranger1penaldo has 0 WC knockout goals 💀
How many World Cup Ronaldo have oh sorry he has never been to a final 😂@@Miuranger1
@@Miuranger1 What is NPG....??
Don't forget Messi is a playmaker when he Doesn’t score...
This is the sole reason He is regarded best player even if when he Doesn’t have the goal scoring stats....
Prime Messi Untouchable
Is not so much about the goals, but Messi could easily destroy a whole defense with his skill, but CR7 can’t do that.
@@josephmalayours1990 yeah like 2014 atletico 2016 atletico 2017 juve and 2018 Roma😂
before he could, his knee injury stopped him from dribbles
U Jus start watch ronaldo
Ronaldo had more good years in terms of performance however when Messi had good years he would win more than Ronaldo and was just unstoppable, Ronaldo is more consistent while Messi is more spontaneous.
I Love Them Both but for Me Messi takes it because he’s achieved more in his career. Messi in 2012 and Noodle hair Ronaldo were😮💨🌟, For Me, Lionel Messi Is The Greatest Of All Time🐐.
There's no season in the history of football better than 2008
the most overrated season in football i’m ever seen anyone with a brain knows that
Messi’s 2015 season is the greatest season in the history of football
Suarez had a better season in 13/14 than ronaldo what are you talking about 😂😂😂
Not top 10 seasons ever.
Messi= goalscoring, assist, vision, dribbling, pass,
Ronaldo= goalscoring, penalty. Tapins
That’s just plain wrong wym penalty and tapins, have you even seen him play?
Remove pens and Argentina wasn’t winning the World Cup
@@amaanariz even France got 3 penalty and my guy is correct do you know anything about Ronaldo dribble? and assist obviously no because he is one of the most selfish player you can see.
@@senpaiyt1948 he was an absolute dribbling machine in his real madrid and man United days, and he was pretty smooth (not prime) at Juventus as well. And as for assists, he has about 250 assists, so there is your argument nullnand void
@@senpaiyt1948most assists in ucl history you clown
This guy gets it, thank you Messi ❤😊
Debate ended after Messi's 2022 world cup win. As for on field brilliance. Only Pelé & Maradona can enter the frame, Messi vibes in.
By that logic Sergio Ramos is the greatest defender of all time
the debate was over when Messi scored 91 goals and 22 assists in 2011-2012
@@stranger07107Listen kid. This debate was over waaay before Qatar. Now, it's not even a discussion. 🐫💀
@@christosnikitakis6675 yeah it isn't, one has 60 goals and 15 assists for his club and country at the age of 39, and the other isn't able to play a tournament these days without spraining his ankle, or doing some other damage even at the age of 36
@@stranger07107 60 goals and 15 assists you say, AND HE STILL DIDN'T WIN ANYTHING WITH THE CLUB OR NATIONAL TEAM! 😂
60 goals you say, AND HE STILL COULDN'T SCORE IN THE COMPETITION THAT MATTERS THE MOST. 😂
15 assists you say, AND HE STILL COULDN'T HELP ANY OF HIS TEAMMATES IN THE GAMES THAT MATTER THE MOST. 😂
But instead we all saw him crying like a b*tch against THE MIGHTY Slovenia because he missed a crucial penalty. 😂😂😂
And the other one, with a broken ankle, won with his national team, and his club is #1 in the league. Imagine if he wasn't injured. 😂
I don’t think this debate will ever end
It alr did. Actually it was never a debate
Ronaldo will forever remain the goat for his versatility both on and off the pitch.! You can go rage on it
Remember Ronaldo's dream is Messi's Reality 🗿
Messi 😍
WHY IS THIS BS STILL A DEBATE?? Messi has destroyed Ronaldo in every aspect. More open gls. More assists. More motms. More WCup Golden ball MVP'S. More individual trophies. More tesm championships. More Trebles. More Continental Championships, and messi has played 130 less matches. 🇦🇷🐐🏆 THIS WAS NEVER A DEBATE.
@@christosnikitakis6675Of course, it was never a debate. Cristiano was a nice compact player, but he had a restricted generational skillset. Not a T10 dribbler or passer. Not a T10 free kick taker. I'd only give him all-time heading & goalscoring prowess, reliant on the powerful midfield he had at Man Utd & Real Madrid. Messi is the greatest ball dribbler the game has seen, one of the greatest ball passers (easily T5 final ball assister), an all-time playmaker, freekick taker, and goalscorer. He's got far more generational skillsets. 🐐⚽️ #Messi
Exactly
@@johnpacino007 Cr7 definitely comes out on top, I always love how messi fans ignore that messi never even played at the best league but then brings his stats against EPL teams, ignoring he did that with prime barca.
Also, this channel is a Messi fanboy channel, so I'd care less about the comment section of Messi fanboy crybabies.
@@vfamily4396Messi was better when both were in Spain but ok
@@vfamily4396Messi was better when both were in Spain but ok
Imagine Messi won his World Cup on the bench the way Ronaldo won his Euro .(injured or not the Ronaldo fans would’ve tried to use that as an excuse to water it down)
Messi is better at positional play. Cristiano is better at counterattacking. Both are amazing goalscorers.
You are forgeting that Ronaldo had a prime year in Man United.By that time he set
the record for the most goals in the season alone
Broooo u just reignited a war in the comments 😂
They both very good, but C7 almost goal from assit team and Messi is done by himself as you watch almost games
Ronaldo and messi are both legends but messi is just better
Its time to look out for Josiah Smith. He is only 7 now but he will definitely be one of the greats to play the game. Oh almost forget he is from Jamaica!
Messy is the better player and he's the greatest ever to have play the game
Prime Messi
Theres messi. .and theres everyone else
Suiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii all messi fans go and cry Ronaldo doesn't need a world cup he has the world under his feet
U mean globe that kids play with ?
Messi is better you don't want eyeglass to see and less you are blind
Stop comparing they are both the best in the world
It's not fair comparing a one club player to someone who adapted everywhere he goes
it is fair stop making excuses
@@captainfalconmain6576It is fair if that alone should be enough to win the goat debate
MESSI IS THE BEST
Messi had slightly a better Peak, but Ronaldo had more great and consistent Primes
If Messi was a little bit selfish, he would have clocked over 1000 goals by now.
how is it fault he got injured twice 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ronaldo was still in his prime at juventus
Don't kid yourself. Ronaldo true prime was 2007 to 2014 until the injury. Then, from 2015 -18, he was controlling his physical decline really well. Banging goals made up for them years
Why, why, why, why are you ppl comparing these players. They completely different. Ronaldo is a goalscorer, a no.9, a striker. Messi is a attacking midfielder, he just happens to score a lot of goals because he's a freak of nature.
he is a right winger
No he is not. Ronaldo in his prime was a winger, a traditional goalscorering, flashy dribbling winger, with the pace and shooting ability of a GOD.
@@spainyamal yes he's that but the point is he has more weapons and can play in multiple positions. Having Messi is like having 2 or 3 additional players in your team because that's how productive he is
@@SolomonChristians Nah, that's more like cr7 tbh.
Greatfull for delivering excellent exciting worldclass football - not mached ever
NOTHING IS THERE IN THE LEVEL OF PRIME MESSI
Ronaldo has never even been compared to Pele or Maradona only Messi .Ronaldinho was compared to them even R9 in his prime was compared to Maradona and Pele.Debate over Also in UCL finals Ronaldo never scored the decesive goal in all 5 at united he won it in Penalties at Madrid he always scored when the results were clear it was Bale and Ramos who saved Madrid he scored Penalties and Ronaldo stans say he is clutch hell no he isn't.Messi scored in 09 final 2011 final and helped the team in 2015 win Ronaldo fans need to stop this debate is like Drake vs Kendrick at this point.
😂
ronaldo is clear of all of them
@@davidsousa2619 dream more
Ronaldo 2008 is prime of all
The meatriding for messi in this comment section is insane😂 Messi fans are unbearable
why because can’t you handle the truth ? because their was never a debate?
@@captainfalconmain6576meatrider
@@captainfalconmain6576 shut up you have no right to say that especially if their careers are older than you are🤣 new gen fans are hilarious
@@captainfalconmain6576 kid your idol is a one club wonder. Pipe down😂
I'm just here to say Messi is better. Now you know.
The thing is, ronaldo only could compare with Messi in his prime, messi won the world cup 2 years ago, and the Golden ball, the thing is, ronaldo only can compare with Messi meanwhile he played for Madrid
Nah, cr7 career is literally better than messi considering cr7 did it in better competition
@@vfamily4396 CR7 never appear in wc 😂
Seriously? Messy is younger than ronaldo and ronaldo is already old thats why his skills are no more. At least use logic@@sin_florentino_hace_frio
Most of u guys jus start watching Ronaldo
its prime messi in a video messi vs ronaldo it said messi was better at his prime better than ronaldo
When it comes to being a footballer through and through you have a better chance of comparing Ronaldo to a player like Haaland who are just gol merchants Messi is in a universe of his own he can play in the midfield or out wide or as a 9 or a false 9 that is what a complete player is
prime messi clearly
Ronaldo was in his prime from 2008 to 2020(Cristiano Ronaldo did more for Portugal. Portugal had no trophies before Cristiano and had no history before Ronaldo. Argentina had history and had players who could carry him and in Barcelona when he started with the help of Ronaldinho, Xavi, Puyol, Iniesta and more. Ronaldo had to do himself when he was in sporting he carried them and had no help no one to teach him to good players in the club to help him. Now to the Nations before Ronaldo no trophies and all and than Ronaldo came 2004 made it to the Euro final, 2006 made it to the semi final of the World Cup, 2008 quarter final of euro, 2012 semi final of euro after teammate missing pen, 2016 Winners of the euro and Ronaldo leadership helped so much after Ronaldo told the player who missed in the 2012 euro semi final to take the penalty, 2019 Nations League, 2022 quarter final after the coach benched Ronaldo because he was playing bad because one of his family members died, 2024 quarter final of Euro. After Ronaldo 2 trophy’s Portugal had no trophies before and don’t get me started on the Messi ballon dors and World Cup and I can make a whole essay why the World Cup and some of Messi ballon dors were rigged.)
Delusional. Doesn’t matter history 100 years ago. Messi is better at country. And deserved 10-12 ballon d ors.
@@leonardoi9722illusional
Prime Ronaldo ez wins
zero ball knowledge
Ronaldo
Messi 🐐
Messi better by far
Messi, campeon del mundo 2022👋
Ronaldo anyday
His speed, his dribbling considering his height, long range bangers, headers, passing till 2013 ( very underrated ).
Messi was a beast no doubt but he played around a well set system something Ronaldo didn’t get till 2014 by the time his injury took away all his skills.
Not to forget Ronaldo’s overall impact with his aura and mentality. The GOAT.
I want the crack you smoke
"injury took away his skill"
Neymar got it 100x worse yet his ability remains. That narrative is so dumb ISTG
@@syukrihantu tendinosis search it up. Ronaldo used to dribble till 2014 we all know, he would not suddenly just stop dribbling unless there’s something holding him back. Neymar never had tendinosis.
@TheOwnerOfRealMadri neymar is a way better player than messi
@TheOwnerOfRealMadri exactly, he relied on his speed to dribble since he doesnt have a short height like messi. Tall players dont dribble that well for long but ronaldo did till 2014 (29 yrs old). So the only answer is that damn injury. His injury took away his confidence and ability, he became to cautious while dribbling if he wanted to continue at the top level for long. He decided to focus more on finishing than creation.
Cristiano Ronaldo ❤
believe it is quite clear who's prime it is , Messi
im ur 1000th sub
It's a pity that no one is talking about Messi being surrounded by better players than Ronaldo throughout his career
The same teammates that yall say are not better than kroos,modric,marcelo,bemzema,bale??????????
Not like Ronaldo hasn't had the likes of Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Benzema, Bale, Ramos, Marcelo, Rooney, Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic I could go on and on and on 😂
Ronaldo is the best.I like your skills.❤🇵🇹CR7
Who is saying Ronald is a better at shooting than Messi is wrong messi won the golden boots 6 times Ronaldo won 4 the only reason he has more goals than messi is because he was playing before messi
Messi was in Barca longer than Ronaldo was in real Madrid though..
@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620messi was better when they both played in spain
@@Dajacb-b7o explain what you mean by "better" because Messi has the best touch and good playmaking but Ronaldo has better shooting and 1 on 1 dribbling so in what aspect
@@rashawnthegamingmaster8620 I meant when the time both played in spain 2009-2018 ( when messi was at barca and Ronaldo in Madrid) , messi was better than Cristiano, stats ( 2009-2018) prove it.
Also messi has better 1 on 1 dribbling
I thought the conversation is done ?
that’s because it is penaldo fans are not actul football fans
Imagine being called Penaldo as a nickname the thing Ronaldo is best at is Messi’s biggest weakness he’s terrible at penalties he much rather dribble through your whole defense 😂
Ronaldo has excel in so many league
Messi clear😊
Messi❤
Prime Ronaldo is equal with prime Messi.
Messi is the greatest to ever play
It’s Messi
Both are best in their own ways 🐐🐐
Why is this still a debate?
who knows it’s an insult to Messi
@@zeeo3147lol Messi is lucky to have played in Barca. Madrid are lucky that Ronaldo played for them.
@@ahmadaliyu7206 I did NOT just read this. Messi literally had a million times worse team than real Madrids. AND HE STILL DOMINATED LALIGA. you CANNOT compare these 2. they are both the best players but statistically and from my observations (well I had only watched some like hundred matches so im not THAT good at observation) Messi is better. I will say Ronaldo is more fun to watch cause long shot with power go brrr.
@@superhamburgerman LOL prime Barca is called the greatest team in history, and yet you say that he didn’t have a great team??
What a joke.
Ronaldo was one of the reasons Madrid were able to compete with Barca at that time. Everyone knows that during that period Barca was the best team in the world. Madrid were still building their team, with the galacticos 2.0.
@@ahmadaliyu7206Messi has always been the better player for anyone with eyes
the one that owns 8 ballon dors and wc title.
the 8 scammed dors
really? this insult still lives? 😂@TheOwnerOfRealMad
If we’re really talking prime then it’s got to be Messi with that 91 goal season.
Nah, it's gotta be 2008 cr7
@@vfamily4396 based off what though? The stats aren’t as good. Both scored great goals, I’d argue Messi’s better as well. Along with his passion / link up play etc which Ronaldo doesn’t have
@madams989 2008 Ronaldo was definitely the better one, his goals was definitely better top, he could dribble and shoot rockets, he could do everything, he was a playmaker at times too, got 2nd behind xavi, he did everything. That's just prime, in career wise, cr7 is definitely the goat alongside Pele due to both playing at the hardest league of their times.
in thier young versions ronaldo wins in prime messi wins and right now messi wins 2-1 messi wins messi is better
Ok then how did Messi rob Hallandale and lewandoski
Messi🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐no debate
CR7 is the goat
messi always
Bro this was so messi biased its crazy a lot of things were left out like you didnt even mention the fact Cristiano scored 60 for 4 consecutive seasons and so much more and you also didnt sound too happy when talking about ronaldos achievements or i guess its me but you didnt sound too happy about it good vid tho
Is messi of course his prime was not ere
This analysis is incomplete without talking about Messi playing with what was essentially the Spanish national team when it was the greatest national team of all time. He played with Xavi and Iniesta. Ronaldo played with some great talent at Manchester and Real Madrid, but he didn't play with Xavi. Comparing their national team success is also problematic, because Messi played for Argentina alongside Di Maria, while Ronaldo played for a strong but not outstanding Portugal squad. And many of Messi's goals were scored against weak teams. Ronaldo played better against better competition.
@@matthewalexander1943 Messi didn't have 2 Ballon d'or winners passing to him, like Benz and Modric. All those superstars and CR STILL with ZERO TREBLES. While Messi won 2. Messi vs CR in head to head clashes: Messi Destroys him 16-11 and 9 ties. Sorry kid. 💀🐫💩
@@christosnikitakis6675 Messi was playing with the Spanish national team, which was the greatest of all time. Modric is awesome., but he is not Xavi. You talk about head to head,, as if it were one on one. You talk about Real Madrid superstars, as if Barcelona did not have any. When Messi went to Argentina, he lost until recently, which has more to do with the people around him. When Ronaldo went to Portugal,. he won.
@@matthewalexander1943u mean barcelona was the spanish national team? for argentina the his teamates played for him. u can not tell me the players that world cup were called world class before that. beside messi, de paul, di maria, and lautaro. ronaldo had no one for his primes of but as of recently he’s had the best portugal squad. ronaldo, bruno fernandez, bernardo silva, pepe, dias, raphael leao, joao cancelo. those players are regarded better than argentina players in the wc 2022
@@zeny3692 I can barely understand this. Please rewrite.
@@matthewalexander1943 read the first part of your reply and the argentina part