No, Barbie Didn't Get "Snubbed" At The Oscars. Here's Why.
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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0:00 these tweets k*lled me i'm dead now
0:53 Barbie Dreams
3:26 Not An Oscar Darling?
4:41 I promise I'm not gatekeeping
6:04 Hillary Enters The Chat
7:44 Discourse Distractions
9:30 The Final Take Away
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Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig's individual omissions from the recently announced Oscars 2024 nominations won't be forgotten anytime soon, according to an expert.
"It's definitely not a good look that the Academy members left out Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie for directing and starring in a movie that's largely about how impressive women are often marginalized," says Dave Karger, Turner Classic Movies host and author of 50 Oscar Nights.
Karger is referring to Barbie, the box-office smash that became the highest-grossing film of 2023 following its July release. The comedy nabbed eight Academy Award nominations this year, including Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor for Ryan Gosling and Best Supporting Actress for America Ferrera.
But surprisingly, star and co-producer Robbie, 33, was not recognized in the Best Actress category, and Gerwig, 40, was left out among the Best Director nominees. 
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Slight correction since a lot of news outlets are getting it wrong: Lily Gladstone is the first Native American actress to be nominated, but she’s not the first indigenous. Yalitza Aparicio is an indigenous Mexican woman and was nominated for her performance in Roma!
whoops, thank you! pinning for visibility :)
Yeah I did see a tweet making that correction pointing out the underlying colorism (or "brown erasure" as they said in the tweet) of it (as Lily is also of partial European descent and lighter skinned then Yalitza)
There's also Keisha Castle-Hughes, who was nominated for Whale Rider back in 2002.
Lily Gladstone is the 4th Indigenous person to be nominated for Best Actress. Yalitza Aparicio is the third, following Keisha Castle-Hughes and Merle Oberon.
Yall really hate Naitives huh?
The fact that a movie getting 8 nominations was treated like a snub is ridiculous. Like, oh, youre two favorite white women did get nomonations but not in the categories you wanted? Lets focus entirely on that and ignore everything good that happened????
Also completely ignoring the fact that the movie is a pet project by Mattel who are 100% going to try to start making a cinematic universe out of their products. Like no, this isn't a feminist masterpiece, this is a commercial project to increase the popularity of Mattel's toys and it ended up making a billion freaking dollars by tangling itself with the feminism narrative and people bought into it without a second thought.
Past Lives didn’t get shit
@@M1ntt806THANK YOU. I've been going crazy with everyone acting like Barbie was this groundbreaking feminist classic when it was just a Mattel ad masquerading as a prestigious award contender
Let’s not forget that Greta and Margot were technically still nominated for other roles.
Margot Robbie was a producer for the movie and it was nominated for best picture. She was nominated AS A PRODUCER.
Greta Gerwig wrote the screenplay that was nominated for best adapted screenplay. She was AS A WRITER.
So in the end, the whole Barbie team wins when it comes to nominations
@@M1ntt806That rings especially loud when we’re literally getting Bob The Builder and Thomas The Tank Engine movies because of Barbie.
The Spider-verse score is my oscar snub this year. I refuse to shut up about one of the best original scores getting shut out cause the academy doesn't care about animation while Dial of Destiny got nominated
Surprise surprise, Dissney need to squat its ass somewhere
SAME
this!!!! the only reason dial of destiny is nominated is because john williams did a score
oh man the spiderverse score (and soundtrack!) gave me full body chills all three times I saw it in theaters
Truly one of the best scores I've ever heard
What makes me angry is that 99% of the people posting this stuff didn’t even see the other films that are actually nominated. So they just think Greta and Margot were snubbed because they made a Barbie movie, instead of like actually realizing how many AMAZING films were made this year (especially by women).
(Also many people were very uncritical of this movie after buying into the hype, if you try to break it down with a little more objectivity, its a pretty muddled movie with several competing underdeveloped threads. For example the mother/daughter tensions never actually get resolved on-screen, they are just suddenly fine at the end and they plaster over that with the musical motherhood montage to tug at the heartstrings.)
Right, like some people basically only saw Barbie last year (which is fine) but that doesn’t mean it deserves an Oscar
oh believe me they would not care theyd still be this "upset" if they had seen em bc at the end of the day a woman (particuarly two "progressive" women) didn't get something they wanted
@@jazzy4830no fr it was so rushed! When the movie was over I was like what was the point? And I love a good feminist undertone but like what did the movie actually say 😂
@@jazzy4830 Thank you for mentioning the mother/daughter relationship, it bothered me as well how underdeveloped that was and I rarely see someone talking about it. As well as the daughter being established as pretty anti-Barbie but then being on board with going to Barbieland and helping to bring back the status quo (which she should dislike based on her introduction) with little to no resistance. Overall I really liked the movie, but it has flaws and it annoys me how in this Oscar discussion it is treated like _the_ feminist cinematic achievement of the decade.
Amazing how so many people (particularly white feminists) are crying about Margot and Greta, meanwhile Lily Gladstone became the first Native American woman to be nominated and nobody has said boo to congratulate her 😒😒
Plus Barbie also received criticism from Indigenous folks for having that smallpox joke as well as having a Barbie Mount Rushmore (Greta Gerwig probably thought that joke would earn her cred but it obviously backfired because of lack of consultation)
I am incredibly excited for lilly to win. No one is saying margot has to win. But to specifically nominate gosling and the I am ken song and then intionally NOT nominate margot. Like cmon. Giving to America ferrera is just a diversity ploy. She was barely in the movie at all and its weakest point. If they had just nominated barbie for adapted screenplay etc and NOT nominated gosling then no one would care. But they did this intentionally.
I'm not sure why you're pitting the women against eachother. Lilly gladstones nomination doesn't erase the blatant disrespect of only nominating gosling. Its about what that decision represents. They did this on purpose and yall wanna make it about racism when it isn't lmoa.
Killers of the flower moon was obviously a superior movie. But no one forced them to nominate gosling and his song and internally NOT nominate margot. To give the movie so much attention while pushing the main two women who made the movie happen to the side in favor of the male comedic relief. And they did it just to fuck w us.
@@devonmunn5728no real native people give a fuck when people make smallpox jokes. So do they. Honestly it isn't joked about or referenced enough because no one gives a fuck about natives. They have wayyyyyyy bigger fish to fry than this shit
@@devonmunn5728also the mt Rushmore thing is a satirical joke. She doesn't actually think we should make it all women. It's a comedy ..........
@@whatever3145saying giving it to america ferrera is a diversity ploy is the most white feminist argument in this whole discourse
Ive said this before and I'll say it again, as a horror fan, people freaking out about Oscar noms is stupid because we've been saying for years that award shows dont even acknowledge most movies that deserve recognition.
Edit: Seeing a lot of Hereditary fans here and that's awesome. I haven't actually seen that but I've seen a lot of movies considered "low art" that are more what I was thinking of. Still, I welcome the Toni Collette stans.
Plus, barely anyone watches award shows now. Like they mean nothing.
As a fan of all film I fully agree. I haven't ever watched the Oscars, but will on occasion watch something nominated/something that won, just out of curiosity. At the end of the day though, it's just a stuffy corporate event.
Haven't watched Barbie, but I see the irony of Gosling winning. The outrage is extremely disproportionate given all the actually horrendous shit happening in the world currently. Everything is relative I know, but come on. These folks need real problems.
Nope. (the movie, I'm not disagreeing with you. that movie is exceptional.)
@K.C-2049 lmao took me a second to realize what you meant! Thanks for the clarification.
@@otterzrkuhl haha I was like "should I be a smarty pants and leave this ambiguous? better not." 🙃
Did people really think Barbie was a major category contender Oscar winning type film??? Like...category wise? Did it really come across like that? 😭
Most people don't watch 'artsy' movies, so overestimate how good the ones they see are
Literally like... i wasn't upset about it being "snubbed" in some categories, I was surprised that it even got the nominations it did get lol
The only nominations I was sure about were Best Production Design and Best Song, the rest were definitely a surprise.
This is Black Panther all over again. It’s a fine film but it shouldn’t have been nominated for all those awards
It's sad that America can't even be excited about her own Oscar Nomination, since she had to comfort Margot for not being nominated herself.
Greta? Yes
Margo? She'll live
EXACTLY
@@falconeshieldno. Neither of them deserved a nomination… this movie was a steam pile of garbage.
I read that Margot made $50 million from Barbie esp as she was a producer (could be wrong but still a lot of money). I think Greta is due to direct a series based on The Chronicles of Narnia for Netflix next. So they will both be fine and have opportunities for decades to come.
@@87charchar yes, can’t wait for her to ruin Narnia like she did with Barbie
I’m actually ecstatic for Ryan because this means more actors AND actresses will get recognition for COMEDY ROLES. The Oscars always take the bait and for them to pick this performance is definitely surprising yet exciting
yesssss, he deserved the recognition because he has range. he might not win but I’m sure he’ll get his oscar at some point
Same for Mark Ruffalo in Poor Things who is also hilarious
It is worth mentioning that Margot and Greta are nominated for Best Picture and Adapted Screenplay, respectively, which are at least semi-representative of their efforts. They are Hollywood fixtures now, they will be fine.
I think the “controversy” highlights one of my problems with the film itself: as fun as it is, by the end it still felt to me like the very selective, corporate version of feminism/conformity it claims to poke at. And the main Barbie is the only one that is allowed to begin to come into her own. I was really hoping that the other Barbies and Kens would literally transcend their labels and they don’t.
It was mentioned. In this video.
@@ericaw1312 I know, I just commented before I saw the video
I love this reading. Like I can't believe President Barbie and all the other Kens, and main Ken, got left behind. But I guess it was Typical Barbie's journey...anyway it was a fun film. But I didn't think it was even Oscar-worthy, except for production design and choreography.
it isn't a snub. I'm a woman, I watched the movie in the cinema, and it's a good comedy but too preachy and boring at the end, not an Oscar-worthy movie at all! And Robbie doesn't do anything spectacular in this movie, acting-wise, all other actresses nominated in the lead actress category were simply better! Barbie was ok but overall bland character, and it's like these whiners forget that Margot is competing with other leading women, not men. In Barbie movie, the only one who stands out as a brilliant satire performance is Gosling, that's why he is nominated. And Barbie still got plenty of other nominations.
I didn’t like Barbie, I didn’t find most of it funny or insightful (but I’m also a male, so what do I know), but I think I appreciate what they were trying to do even if it didn’t work at all for me. Gosling is incredible, his song I’m Just Ken is super catchy and funny, and the production design is really good. IMO, those are the only categories it should have been nominated for.
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exactlyyyy
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The preachy and boring is a wild take.
However I agree they weren’t snubbed, sad they didn’t get nominated but the movie had so many nominations and America got one and then all the other actresses, female directors, etc. that got nominated and won (!!) should be more celebrated than it should be cried over this!
Greta lee was a much bigger snub than margot robbie for best actress imo
And Natalie Portman too. They were levels above MR.
@@vbittencourt Yes. Greta, Natalie, … and Fantasia in The Color Purple were all better than Margot.
I don't think Greta Lee was very good in Past Lives. Unpopular opinion, I know. I found her very bland and stilted.
Natalie Portman should've been in over Annette Bening.
Greta Lee deserved a Best Actress spot. She was also snubbed hard as hell.
White Feminists dont seem to care about asian woman.
She had little Chemistry with either of the male leads
Absolutely, not everyone can be nominated.
How was she snubbed if she wasn’t expected to get nominated on the first place?
@@poett8875yes she was. she was up for golden globes and critics choice alongside Margot
Have we seen any evidence so far that Greta and Margot are even all that upset? Everyone seems to be projecting this intense disappointment onto them and picking sides but as far as I can tell neither has said anything publicly yet and we don't know whether or not they were expecting nominations in those categories.
No but Ryan Gosling posted a somewhat disappointed reaction for it. Idk if it's truly because he was upset or if he was doing it out of courtesy though.
It's pretty standard practice to mention your collaborators in your post-nomination statement. You could call it performative humility, not to say it isn't genuinely felt, but if you are nominated or win you are expected to deflect and thank everyone who helped you achieve it. His statement did say it was disappointing not to see them "along with" the other nominees, which is more tactful than some of the people who've taken it out of context have been. They know it's a numbers game and that five director nominees is a brutally slight cut-off.
Looking ahead to next year, I wonder if they'll split the directing category up somehow to allow a greater diversity of films, similar to how they split screenwriting into original/adapted and put documentaries and animation into their own category. Directors of comedies, horrors, musicals, sci-fi and action films tend to be under-rewarded compared to the "prestige drama" category, and it feels as if directors are the last major category to have the diversity of the craft informed in a diversity of categories@@Tenshikichi1
@@Tenshikichi1 It seems at least consistent with his public face surrounding the movie, he has been white knighting pretty hard, genuine or not.
@@Tenshikichi1it’s also part of the whole Ken bit. Gosling acts like Margot’s servant in all the interviews in keeping with his character, so it’s appropriate that he’d be “outraged” Margot wasn’t nominated
Barbie was fun and comedic and lite feminist, casual movie goers and people not apart of that world are SUPER out of the loop on what gets awards. Has no one on Twitter heard the term “Oscar bait” like.. when someone makes a really dramatic bio pic? Yeah … I’m not mad about Barbie not getting the award Twitter thinks it deserves.
Exactly. Oscars always go to boring pretentious dramas, and not the movies normal people actually like.
I literally saw a tumblr post saying "Ryan getting nominated but not Margot or Greta is an example of the patriarchy at work" and then **in small font below a reaction image** "also grats to America on her nom!!" and it makes me want to scream into a pillow. I also hate that the internet has decided all of a sudden that "I'm Just Ken" isn't a great song anymore just because it's been co-nominated with "What Was I Made For?".
I mean regarding the songs, it is def crazy how I’m just Ken won over what was I made for. Like one is this deep and heartfelt song and the other is part mirroring of what women live through and part parody of nice guys sooo 😂😂😂 i mean I love the song but the amount of ppl not understanding it - wild 😂
I must admit the fact Nolan hadn't been nominated until now blowed my mind 😂 I had no idea.
And legendary directors like Hitchcock, Kubrick never won an Oscar. Snubs happen all the time in Oscars' history. Nothing new.
Slight correction here: Nolan was nominated for Best Director for his movie Dunkirk. He just never won one before.
Same here. I don’t even like many of his films but that’s crazy.
@@sarahtanis1235yeah Kubrick not having an Oscar somewhat discredits the entire institution.
To be fair Kubrick films were hugely unpopular amongst the masses when they were released, only to receive their dues years later after gaining a cult following from critical re-evaluations. Hitchcock is also somewhat similar. Their best shots at the Oscar was never for their most celebrated works and the years where they had their best chances ended up being some of the most stacked years in cinema (1975- Barry Lyndon competing with One's Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, 1940- Rebecca competing with Philadelphia Story and Grapes of Wrath).
charles melton's performance in May December blew me away. it's a shame he wasn't nominated.
Really sad Charles didn't get nominated. Also think Andrew Scott in All Of Us Strangers wass devastatingly good that he deserved the best actor nom.
@@Missjunebugfreak Absolutely. This discourse is ridiculous, when you think about the fact that the actors of All of Us Strangers, Past Lives and May December where really snubbed.
Also, when you think about great actress performances this year, so many come to mind before even thinking about Margot: Daisy Ridley in Sometimes I think about Dying, Sydney Sweeney in Reality, Mia McKenna-Bruce in How to Have Sex.
He’s the real snub in my eyes, he was amazing in May December
this!! one of my biggest upsets personally
Fully agree with all your points. It blows my mind that people are making such a stink over this to the point of saying wildly offensive shit like that dig at the real actual Indigenous genocide depicted in KOTFM, not to mention glossing over Lily Gladstone's historic Best Actress nomination on top of America Ferrera's. This whole ordeal has made me lose ten years of my life I fear.
That Los Angeles Times article was incredibly offensive. I wonder if that author knows that 'Flower Moon' is based on an actual genocide. My jaw dropped when I read that.
The KOTFM part was so unbelievably gross but I’m not 100% surprised. It’s white feminism at work but displayed in one of the most awful ways possible
Zac Efron was incredible in Iron Claw and I’m so sad they decided to release it so late and most of the academy didn’t see it before they voted!
I saw one article that seemed to be upset that Gerwig wasn’t nominated for Best Director, yet Justine Triet was for Anatomy Of A Fall. Basically, the article almost made it sound like the Academy was somehow forced to choose either Gerwig or Triet and chose the latter. Yea, not what happened. As someone who’s seen both AOAF and BARBIE recently, I argue Triet’s directing was better than Gerwig’s, but it wasn’t a case that there was like a Sophie’s Choice of one or the other. Triet (along with the other nominees) likely just got more votes. Plus, AOAF was a Palme D’Or winner at Cannes, and that may have helped its awards-season recognition.
Well, they've gotta be both good! Right? I mean, neither one can truly be better than the other, now could they? They can't get 'em all now, you know! I like both directors styles, man!
AOAF is great! I’m super happy for Justine Triet.
@@tmarie69 That's good! And so am I, she's a great director and her stuff is fantastic, and I'm sure this movie is also fantastic, too! Justine Triet is amazing! Just phenomenal as hell, man!
Also someone like Sandra Huller not only getting a nomination but actually having a leg in the race for a performance in a foreign production is much more significant than a Margot Robbie nom. Triet and Glazer arent really known Oscar names like Gerwig, so Huller essentially had to be the star-player in both this year Grand Prix and Palme Dor to even get the same attention as Robbie
@@somewherelongago Yep, okay! Whatever, bro!
I have to wonder if Margot and Greta are aware (and/or agree?) that these reactions are overblown but they can’t really say anything about it because they would be seen as kind of snubbing their own film/fans. Like, imagine so many people raising a stink for you and you’re like, “Uh actually it’s fine…” Margot has already expressed concern over her own overexposure. I really wouldn’t be surprised if she couldn’t care less about the Best Actress nom.
She probably doesn’t. She seemed way more proud of her work as a producer on the movie. As she should since she put together the biggest film of the year. She’s a billion dollar-Oscar nominated producer, I’m sure she’s fine.
@@sawsawsuka (Gross generalisation upcoming) Because the people complaining about Barbie haven't seen any of the other films nominated, the film tried to be accessible and had reach and a wider audience who aren't actually film buffs who nonetheless suddenly have opinions about the Oscars.
that's sweet but no to them these reactions r completely justified
@@pastorcodymitchell1456 Oh, have you heard from them?
Lily Gladstone, Celine Song, Justine Triet, Da'Vine Joy Randolph, etc! We should be celebrating all of these women who were nominated and who have done amazing work, and not just complain about Barbie 'not getting enough nominations'
Devils advocate yes, Oscars are hard to win. However, Greta has only made three movies, and each one of these movies have been nominated for at least one academy award.
this!! do people not know how crazy that is?
I know she didn't direct it, but Frances Ha is such a good movie. And she's so good in it. The way she was able to make that character likable is the mark of a very skilled actress.
My personal villain this season is something Schaffrillas identified- that Dial of Destiny got nommed for Best Score. Its nowhere near as bad as, say, Rise of Skywalker's nom in 2019, but like Dial of Destiny is in big chunks a Greatest Hits melody with a relatively small amount of new songs. Def should have gone to someone else
The Academy could've nominated Daniel Pemberton's work on Across the Spider-Verse or Joe Hisaishi's score for The Boy and the Heron, but they're animated movies so they apparently don't count, despite both films having some of the best film music of 2023
@@christianwise637and of the limited times that animated films got nominated for best score, most of them are disney/pixar 😮💨
Mega L take.
Granted, some of those nominations are justified, but yeah it sucks. @@rainbowbarfeverywhere
As one comment on Twitter so accurately summed it up, "it's like the whole world is conspiring to make me hate a movie that i saw and ENJOYED". I really liked this film, and it was definitely one of my favourites from last year; I get that Greta and Margot were the essential lifeblood to make this film the success that it was; and I can certainly empathise with people who were disappointed that they didn't get nominations for their directing or acting. But after a certain point the backlash just comes across as embarrassing. The film still came away with a total of 8 nominations, including best picture, making it the fourth most nominated film of the year, and yet that's somehow not good enough?
And I think a lot of the pundits framing the snubs as being an insult against feminism and a display of the patriarchy in effect are kind of missing the forest for the trees. For one thing, big popular blockbusters like Barbie rarely get nominated for big awards like this, and even when they are it's no guarantee they'll win. Case in point: the original Star Wars, one of the most popular and influential films of all time, got nominated for best picture, best directing, best original screenplay and best supporting actor, and won none of them. Or look at the MCU, the biggest film franchise currently ongoing, which in its 16 years of existence has achieved one best picture nomination and one acting nomination. Big popular films are very frequently subject to major snubs, if anything it's more surprising for one of these films to get nominated for any awards, let alone this many, so a few big snubs like this really aren't anything out of the ordinary.
Also, framing the whole discourse around Margot and Greta getting snubbed honestly does a disservice to the various women who have been nominated this year; Justine Triet is nominated for best directing, and is one of the three women who directed a best picture nominee; over half the women nominated for acting are first-time Oscar nominees, one of whom was actually nominated for Barbie (and for added bonus, quite a few of them are non-white); 4 of the 10 scripts nominated for screenwriting are written or co-written by women; Billie Eilish could potentially be winning her second Oscar for original song; there's loads of people working on the technical awards whose brilliance may be being acknowledged. And that doesn't even cover the various other women who were snubbed for best directing and best actress, quite a few of whom (Ava DuVernay, Celine Song, Greta Lee, Teyana Taylor, Fantasia Barrino) are people of colour, making the hoohah about 2 white women getting snubbed feel even more ridiculous.
And at any rate, it's not like there won't be further opportunities for the two of them to get nominations in these fields. Margot Robbie is still one of the biggest movie stars on the planet, the odds that she won't be nominated for a future role and eventually win one are honestly very slim. Similarly, Greta Gerwig is a beloved and popular director who's only just turned 40 and already has a nomination for best directing, she'll have plenty more opportunities to get nominated and eventually win (I mean Christopher Nolan, this year's likely winner, didn't get a directing nomination until he was 47). All of this is just a long-winded way of saying that it's really not that deep; yes it's disappointing that Greta and Margot didn't get the nominations in those specific categories, but it's really not worth making that big of a fuss about it (I mean if this is how people are responding to the film losing out on a few nominations, they are going to be freaking insufferable the day of the actual ceremony)
honestly when I saw how much Barbie actually got noms for I thought ppl would be psyched that a comedy was getting this kind of recognition for once
I was too! Comedies are almost always ignored by the Academy! And Barbie did PHENOMENALLY! Especially considering that it's up against some really, really amazing movies that are in far more "Oscar bait" type categories.
Willem DaFoe was snubbed for his really great performance in Poor Things and I will never shut up about THAT. Someone please give that man an Oscar.
It's baffling to me how Willem Dafoe doesn't have a "How has he never won?" discussion around him the way pre-2015 Leo DiCaprio had. I have never seen a bad performance of him, even if the movie is lackluster he _always_ delivers.
Thank you for this because I thought I was going crazy. Margot Robbie has been nominated for best actress before and will be again. Greta Gerwig has been nominated for best director before and will be again. They are not the underdogs the internet thinks they are.
Exactly, the academy adores them
I think one thing to highlight, speaking as a woman of color, I am bothered by the energy of complaints being "This is a slight against All Women" when in reality, it specifically is about the specific sect of women (femme-presenting, white, with seasoned careers). It's that assumption of White Feminism that a white woman's situation represents all women.
speaking as a white woman, I fully 100% absolutely agree with you. and white feminism is the exact type of feminism the Barbie movie espouses, so it's not at all surprising. the problem is that rather than dig into discourse and educate themselves, a lot of folks will think feminism ends at saying "patriarchy bad" and wearing pink :(
Just lay off of nominees who give credit to their directors and fellow cast members who are not nominated. They should all be doing it.
Yes!!!
I wrote this the moment the media started crying about this: This is nonsense. The only people who are 'outraged' over this are childish, fake social justice internet warriors, obsessed with labels, butthurt Barbie cast and crew, plus a few other celebs. No one else with a brain takes this seriously. I'm a woman, I had a Barbie doll, like most little girls, and I watched the movie in the cinema, and it was a fun, good movie, but not exceptional at all. It was a good, fun comedy with satire elements, yes, but too preachy at the end and it wasn't great in any measure. It was ok. The other movies nominated are miles better and more sublime. And we actually had real Oscars snubs in the history of the cinema, and plenty of iconic filmmakers and artists who deserved Oscars 1000000000000 times more than Margot Robbie and Greta, didn't get it either. The one obvious example out of many is Alfred Hitchcock - now, this is an Oscar snub, Barbie isn't! The Academy finally got it right this year.
Thank you for this video. The conversation around the "snub" is insane. And very very disrespectfull for those women nominated (and there was a lot of women nominated in several cathegories).
I remember when I watched the movie back in July the first thought I had was that Barbie deserves 3 nominations: best set design, best costume design and best supporting actor for Ryan gosling. He was by far the best actor of the film and his performance really stood with me, just because you play the titular role doesn't mean you have to be nominated, and just because you wrote and directed the highest grossing movie of 2023 doesn't mean you have to be nominated either. And most importantly, just because it's a movie made by women for women doesn't mean all women should be nominated we're talking about the performances the message here doesn't matter. America and Margot's performances and Greta's writing and directing were just fine not Oscar worthy. Even the whole movie was just alright nothing deep nothing smart very surface level just a good fun film. The worst part is that people kept saying that Ryan stole Margot's place but they're not even in the same category she's against women and yes all those women were better than her. In conclusion I think Barbie had more nominations than it deserved not less and I think people crying on TikTok only watched Barbie and Oppenheimer. Which is fine but don't give your opinion on who deserves a nomination and who doesn't when you haven't watched the other nominated movies.
I had the same thought as you as I watched it. I’m shocked it got so many nominations.
And I could have written the rest of your comment. 💯 agree.
To be honest the biggest Oscar snub for me was Teenage mutant ninja turtles mutant mayhem because not only did the movie know when to be funny and when to be serious at times, but the animation was great, the script was also great and the entire storyline was great as well because it looked like it came straight out of the comics and was such a beautiful love letter to the entire franchise.
This is basically what support you can muster from "stans" and the kind of culture that comes with backing something ONLY because it's popular in the mainstream. That it hasn't devolved to takes solely about how much money the other movies haven't made is surprising and largely because it's been taken up by certain people who see themselves as feminists only when it's women THEY like are winning.
Honestly I was surprised that Greta and margot didn’t get the expected nominations but there’s still a lot to celebrate for female actresses this year. America Ferrera and Lily Gladstone both got nominations and yet there’s very little discussion surrounding how great that is. Again it doesn’t matter at the end of the day whether a highly successful movie like Barbie gets an Oscar or not, but it is frustrating to see people like Hilary Clinton posting about this as if they care about feminism and hashtagging themselves as a barbie for attention.
i was so gutted that margot and greta didn't get nominated but i can absolutely recognise that this was a STACKED year for film. i haven't watched many of the nominated films except from barbie but i follow the 'film world' fairly closely so the nominations weren't too surprising to me. i think a lot of the outrage does come from people who don't know how this works or barbie was the only film they saw last year. which is fine obviously, but thinking that barbie is being snubbed in so many categories is just incorrect. the film can still mean a lot to you (it means a lot to me too!) but it doesn't have to win all the awards
you should watch more international films, i promise you'll stop feeling like barbie was snubbed for anything.
@@sincerelyzee521 fair suggestion, that is a blind spot for me unfortunately. anatomy of a fall and past lives are on my high priority list of films to watch!
Lots of movies that mean a lot to me weren't even nominated in their respective years. It happens. Barbie getting 8 nominations as a big budget comedy is a huge success already if someone knows anything about the Academy's voting history.
The Oscar’s nominate awful stuff all the time, so I don’t care one way or another.
Yes, like Barbie getting 8 nominations instead of 0 like it deserved.
Is Barbie an entertaining movie? Yes. Is it an Oscar-worthy movie? No.
It should absolutely be a top contenders for set design that’s for sure
Meanwhile Margot literally is going to take home the award for producing the whole damn thing. She’s gonna take home an award - at *minimum* 1. Media literacy is literally dead.
Greta Gerwig (who is set to direct Narnia Chronicles films for Netflix after being the woman with most films into the Best Picture) category and Margot Robbie (who got another nomination as a producer for Barbie and is currently filming another movie) both campaigned for Barbie during the strike and faced zero repercussion. Robbie has been leading films for years now, just last year she was in three movies. Yeah, I think they will be fine.
My biggest Oscar snub of all time? Taron Egerton in Rocketman. Five years later and I’m still mad about that shit
REAL SHIT.
THANK YOU. It was a phenomenal performance.
TBH My big Oscar snub even though I new the chances were small was Greta Lee missing out for Past Lives and Charles Melton missing out for May December
Barbie was also one of my favorite films I saw this year. It actually had a really profound impact on me. It really altered my personal philosophy on personhood and self-actualization in a pretty significant way. However, I can also recognize that it's like an 8.5/10 and maybe doesn't need to get nominated for every award.
I find it super interesting that we overlook celebrating Lily Gladstone and America Ferrera's noms (two POC women) to freak the fuck out about Maggot Robbie's "snub" (no offense to her, she's a great actress, but is also a conventionally beautiful, skinny white woman who IS GOING TO BE FINE GUYS). Margot has her whole career ahead of her, and I have a feeling she would not suggest that Barbie was her best performance ever anyway.
I feel like the people bitching about this haven't even seen any of the other movies nominated to comment on it.
Babylon and Barbie came out the same year in the UK, so Barbie wasn't even the best performance I saw from her in 2023 🤷♀️
All the Tweets that were shown at the beginning are basically screaming "I watch 5 movies a year and don't know how Academy voting works"
insane to know that greta gerwig also broke a record that not even scorsese or nolan managed to break which is that she's the first filmmaker EVER to get their first 3 films/solo directorial efforts (lady bird, little women and now barbie) nominated for best picture and yet, they're acting as if her missing out on director is the worst thing the oscars have ever done. i loved the movie and margot's performance, but i need ppl to chill!! anyway the real barbie snub was dua lipa not getting a nom for dance the night! (yes, i'm fully aware you can only submit 2 songs from the same movie but still shdgjfkhjgk)
Huh? Martin Scorsese has been nominated for best director 10 times. Apple TV even posted about it on their instagram. What are you on about? Loud & wrong.
@@packedentertainment2866 i meant that her first 3 films released got nommed for best picture lmao but alright!
@@smarterperson16 so what? She’s overrated. This awful Barbie movie proves that. You’re comparing her to one of the greatest directors of all time. That’s just crazy
@@packedentertainment2866 never once said that. just pointing out that record as a means to show how ridiculous this whole discourse is, but since you're so committed to misinterpreting what i say, have a nice rest of your year, i guess.
@@smarterperson16 that’s not what it seemed like you were doing. It seemed like you were trying to belittle Scorsese & Nolan for this awful movie
Excellent video , one minor correction Nolan had one oscar nomination for best director before this for Dunkirk, he has never won an Oscar before.
the jamie lee curtis winning over stephanie hsu still makes me so upset OMG
A24 movies like Iron Claw don't get nominated because A24 doesn't have enough money to compete in the campaigning for a Oscar nomination. Now sometimes a producer of one of these indie movies is a millionaire or even a billionaire they might put up the money for the campaign.
Honestly, I'd like it better if Greta and Margot got the award for Best Picture and Adapted Screenplay for producting Barbie. 🤷♂ Who needs a Director award anyway, it'd be the best way for BOTH of them to get their flowers both for their work in front of and behind the camera.
May December was the real Oscar snub. It deserved a best picture nomination, a best director nomination and a best leading actrrss nomination at least.
Absolutely. It also deserved a best supporting actor and best supporting actress nomination. Charles should’ve been nominated for best supporting instead of Sterling K Brown. And Julianne should’ve been nominated for best supporting instead of America Ferrera.
Greta Lee and Fantasia Barrino are two women of color that have performances that rival Robbie’s(i think they were better performances), and no one is talking about them getting snubbed. And Lily Gladstone, the first native women getting nominated by the Academy, isnt getting her rightful congrats from the public. And Justine Triet, got nominated for Anatomy of a Fall for best director, which is so freaking well deserved. This just shows that people just don’t watch that many movies outside what is popular in the zeitgeist. Popularity and commerciality also don’t necessarily equal artistic excellence, which is what the academy supposedly recognizes. And Gerwig and Robbie are nominees this year, what is everyone crying out??!!
exactly, this! and they are crying because they are like robotic idiots with no brains, who only see labels and boxes that 'have to be' checked according to their narrow worldview. this is the problem with modern art in general, not just cinema.
People can get super weird about awards
Totally agree! I'm someone who did not care for 'Barbie' at all. I can appreciate it as a pop culture moment, but to me, it was just not that amazing of a film. Funnily enough, my main gripe with it was the flat, underdeveloped and devoid of nuance script which GOT nominated, so please make it make sense. Just because something means a lot to you doesn't make it a technical, critical masterpiece (not that the Oscars are even a good measure of that).
Yes, that script was severely lacking. I’m a big fan of Greta and Margot but I thought Ryan saved that movie.
I just saw "Antonmy of a Fall" and "maybe if Barbie pushed Ken out of the dream house" is hilarious.
America Ferrera played the character that resonated the most with me in the Barbie-movie, so I was personally really pleased about her nomination. And if it is a career nomination, then it's actually quite impressive to get that the year she turns 40, that's an earlier career nomination than most I would think. All of what you says here in this video makes a lot of sense, great video.
Anyways, stan America Ferrera. I pledge allegiance
I too would've nominated Charles Melton over Ryan Gosling for best supporting actor and that's the real snub. Margot Robbie was good but I don't know who she'd replace for the five other nominees? I definitely don't think she could replace Sandra Huller, Lily Gladstone or Emma Stone.
Charles Melton did get snubbed. But I would trade Sterling K Brown for Charles. Sterling is a terrific actor but Ryan was better as Ken. There are very few actors who can do what Ryan did in Barbie. He played such a shallow character but in the most human way. And his comedic delivery was stellar. It’s about time the Academy recognize amazing comedic performances.
A rare nuance take. Great job
I think my biggest Oscar snub this year, I would have to agree, is Zac Efron. He did a phenomenal job and Iron Claw was definitely one of my favorite movies I had seen this year. Biggest Oscar snub of all time though (for me) would have to be Toni Colette in Hereditary, one of my favorite roles of all time. I hope to see the year where horror gets the recognition it deserves in the Acadmey.
I have yet to see The Iron Claw, but complete agreement on Toni Colette. Easily the biggest bullshit the Academy pulled in my lifetime, closely followed by Jake Gyllenhaal not getting nominated for Nightcrawler.
Yes this has been such a headache this week. I am a huge film nerd and have been following the Oscars for a very long time. The Oscars rarely reflect film quality and it is often about which studio can fund the best campaign. I also never thought that Barbie was an Oscar contender in acting EXCEPT for Ryan Gosling. When I left the theatre, I thought he was the MVP of the film and I knew he would get nominated. But that is my opinion!
I think this discourse this week highlights a lot of what we have seen in recent culture with reactionary opinions. People making overblown statements with nothing to back up their arguments (ie not having seen other films in the 2023/2024 awards season or not knowing the mechanics of how the Academy votes/its film preferences) has been very common in recent years. I am so sick of this discourse this week so I will end by saying that we need to support our independent theatres and enjoy cinema!
The real snub was the Color Purple getting paid dust.
i apprieciate you pointing out that they just made the statement for optics
Thank you for this video! You articulate very well the mega headache I have had all week!
This all started cause so many people think most money = best movie
As a woman who really like the film, I think people who said Margot Robbie/Greta Gerwid needs to be nominated NEEDS to watch more films. This definitely was a powerful story, but both of them already did much better projects. This is basically the white feminism crap I can't take.
I'm after Lily Gladstone for the win, not just because she's a woman of minority, but her performance actually holds the film together. We can enjoy something the most while also acknowledging its not the the "best".
Ps. I'm more piss at Hollywood ignoring most of May December cast because it hit too close on their crimes when that film have some of the best performances.
Chef's kiss as always, thank you for your smart and succinct commentary!
The biggest acting Oscar snubs in my opinion were Zac Efron for The Iron Claw, Fantasia Barrino for The Color Purple, Greta Lee for Past Lives, Taraji P. Henson for The Color Purple, Teo Yoo for Past Lives and Charles Melton for May December
I agree. And I’m glad you mentioned Fantasia and Teo Yoo because no one is mentioning them.
The Iron Claw award potentials got screwed over for its poor release plan. The late release strategy simply doesn't work anm with the race already been shaped by December, and I love A24 but their Oscar campaign for Efron is poor as hell. Its a miracle The Zone of Interest even makes the cut considering they had solely been banking on its festival hype and it still hasn't received a theatrical release yet. They did campaign for Past Lives hard but Netflix had the bigger dollar bill in the race so Maestro and Nyad ended up getting the better campaign
@@somewherelongago A24 could only choose two movies to campaign for. They chose Past Lives and Zone of Interest. If they added more movies, they were afraid it would split the vote. So they made a choice to pick those two movies over Iron Claw.
This video popped up in my recommendations and I loved it. Subbed.
Very detailed yet easy to understand points with an interesting and fun presentation, keep up the good content!
Couldn’t agree with you more. Great takes. 👍🏻
This was so informative & interesting. Thanks for your work, Kayla!
I disagree with the statement that Ryan gosling stole the show. It was still great outside of what he did. His performance didn't resonate with me as much as the rest, even though it was funny. I think people are obsessed with his performance because they weren't expecting it. We were expecting Margot Robbie to be great. As she always is. Plus, Margot started her career with mostly male fans and now has switched to female fans, which makes alot of ppl angry.
Thank you for pointing out that what a lot of people don't understand is that a lack of nominations doesn't automatically mean something is bad. I do competitive cosplay performances as both a competitor and judge, and one of the things you learn very quickly is that awards are decided by who else shows up. You can put out objectively good work, it an can be the best thing you've ever done, and still lose to someone who did better. That does not make your work bad or unworthy of other awards elsewhere.
oh my god THANK YOU for this
Fabulous analysis!❤😂🎉
i mean thank god we’re not in hillary clinton’s 8th year of presidency. we need a GOOD first female president that we can be proud of.
i don't think robbie was necessarily snubbed, i would say they should've nominated gerwig as a director but also let's not go crazy to the point where miss hillary feels like she can insert herself (as kayla perfectly put it) into the conversation to gain some points or whatever. that tweet is so fake of her... NO ONE ASKED.
also the mention of lily gladstone made me feel guilty about STILL not watching that movie, i was literally going to today but can't carve out 3.5 hours of my life to do it. thanks for the reminder i guess? 😭
Also, let us take a moment to acknowledge the pain that is 'All of Us Strangers' getting cruelly shut out completely (not even noms for Adapted Screenplay or Best Actor for Andrew Scott). I know Searchlight had given 'Poor Things' priority but still, they managed to juggle two films in 2017.
Totally agree. I loved a lot of these films, but All of Us Strangers was my favorite film of the year. It's stayed with me more than any other film I've seen. At least it's gotten recognition with the BAFTA nominations.
Ok sorry cause ive also left 2 other comments, but also i havent even heard people talk about Lily Gladstone being someone who uses she/they pronouns getting so many awards
Getting sick of the semantic argument about “snub.” It’s an opinion. There’s no reason to tell a person that they’re wrong, it’s just their opinion.
TMNT Mutant Mayhem was also snubbed over EleMidtal
You are so real with your take on Charles Melton, he should have gotten the nomination instead of Ryan Gosling, Charles delivered an amazing performance in May December. I was so mad.
Charles Melton definitely got snubbed. But I would trade Sterling K Brown for Charles. Sterling is a terrific actor but Ryan was better as Ken. There are very few actors who can do what Ryan did in Barbie. He played such a shallow character but in the most human way. And his comedic delivery was stellar. It’s about time the Academy recognize amazing comedic performances.
Great video! This is all that was needed to be said. Plus, anyone here remember I, TONYA? Good film and amazing acting by Margot.
Great video, I agreed with everything you said, especially about most of the ire coming from people who’ve not seen most of the other films in contention because the year is so stacked someone was ultimately going to be disappointed
god those taylor swift lyrics are so deranged…not surprised they were used for this “controversy” lol
i love your nuanced takes, thanks for bringing sanity to the internet
I can't remember the last time I personally felt moved or inspired by any Oscar Nomination or Win...
i initially was slightly disappointed by greta and margot being omitted until i remembered greta lee and celine song were also omitted for past lives, which is an incredible film. also, having just watched the holdovers, i am rooting for that movie to sweep because it might’ve been my favourite of the past year.
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
wow I literally agree with everything you said. what're the odds
I totally agree with you!
"The Man" at the end. Chef's kiss!
Maybe for production design and costuming but that movie is not oscar worthy Im sorry yall
Very interesting to hear this perspective on it. I was very confused
thank you SO MUCH, i felt alone in this thought process and im just glad someone actually is thinking saying the same things, the movie was great but its the OSCARS ryan’s performance was by far the BEST to even be nominated in the ACADEMY AWARDS is insane like you said it bestie u said it
I agree with this take. It's just hard to state it because people get so angry
Omg thank you for making sense.
Good points, nicely objective
* sigh * all I wanted to do was sing I'm Just Ken and complain about the Oscars. But yeah, people had to get weird.
1. Margot Robbie's "snub" doesn't matter because Lily Gladstone is going to win. I feel bad for the other nominees in best actress lol
2. I watched a few actors' roundtables recently with some of the best actress nominees, and it sounds like their work is SUPER interesting. I usually kind of skip film buzz but I feel like this year I'll actually go out of my way to check out the films (been wanting to see Past Lives since I first saw the trailer last year). there's so many women doing such amazing work and turning in such amazing performances, writing screenplays and directing incredible films, and we're hung up on BARBIE? this is exactly the kind of corporatization and whitewashing of feminism I had feared the Barbie movie was gonna make worse. it's a perfectly good movie, but I wish that online feminists weren't painting it as this like be all end all of feminist media :(
3. I'm still not over Jamie Lee Curtis taking Angela Bassett's Oscar for Wakanda Forever.
Best actress will be a very close race between Lily and Emma. It's not decided yet
@@nalday2534You’re right. But Emma already has an Oscar. So it’s most likely that Lily will win.
@BbGun-lw5vi not necessarily, many actors win on a second nomination shortly after their first
@@MadameCorgi Of course it happens. But Emma and Lily are so neck and neck that having a second actor might give Lily the edge.
I'm honestly still bitter about Emma Stone winning over Isabelle Huppert in 2016, if anything age and popularity play a much significant role at the Oscar, so I'm glad that they have at least make more effort at recognizing older actress who aren't usually in the award conversations these recent years