@@toxicbunny4596 Less to do with the engine causing graphical issues and more to do with slowdown or performance issues in a 5v5 game. Any limitation on the previous engine could really fuck over gameplay.
Really well put together video for an overview and thoughts Elpern. Good to see you doing well for yourself since your days in ZEVA. Keep up the good work mate!
When talking about Multiplayer: "...you have replay, reconnection, matchmaking, leaderboards, all available within the client menues". CoH3 release PTSD? :) Made me smile.
I'm not going to comment on the quality of a game I've not played, and I get they had to draw the line somewhere, but I do think it's shitty they didn't add the British as a faction at launch - and especially when there's an Operation Overlord campaign, given that most of the troops fielded during it were not American.
It's the same game engine. Most of the "jank" has always been there in Gem editor. Tbf i think MoW 2 will be a more arcadey and simple version, while GoH is more realistic
@@scorpionarius5590MoW 2 is from OG developers, they made proper 64bit, multicore support and engine upgrades long term so it doesnt brick itself like GoH
@@North_Dumpling GoH is 64 bit, which is why MoW2 gets upgraded to the same. I know about the developers, i've been around GEM engine, since Soldiers: Heroes of WW2
funny that people are comparing MOW2 to GOH during launch and the negativity. Remember that when GOH was released It received the same amount of negativity when being compared to MOWAS2. Have patience and hope
I disagree that it had the same negative reactions. As far I can recall, MoW II was Arena beforehand, and the community told them things changed about a year before. And yet it looks like those things are still present even after they had all that time. Meanwhile, GoH is ever growing with its modding scene and is working on its new DLC.
Thats just a lie. Reason mow2 got review bombed was cuz of few streamers who got angry that they didnt get what THEY wanted and there viewers just started review bombing the games. If you read the negative reviews, most of them are the same texts that was sayd on stream with most wasnt even true
i've started playing with like 8-9 months before,men of war assault squad 2 and it's awsome!i will also play the part 1 and cold war then this one,it's awsome!i like them cuz you can make units from capturing points and with those points,you can make tanks,soliders and many more,even it's not with buildings it's still awsome!
There's lot's of mods on the steam workshop that have the original missions modded into Assault Squad 2. Everything from Faces of War, Men of War, Red Tide, and Assault Squad 1. I'd recommend using the mods as Assault Squad 2 is best made of all the games. Don't bother with Cold war, it's just a mess. It's better to play Call to Arms if you want a modern feeling MoW game.
Just by the first 2 minutes you can tell this does not stand up to CoH's quality. You'll never end up with Verdun moon crater landscape as craters simply don't exists in MoW apparently, vfx are all pretty bad, the game overall looks stiff as heck just like GoH, this really feels like a 2005 game. On top of that they're not comparable that's for sure, it's Action RTS versus Tactical RTS.
Since this channel *mainly* does Company of Heroes, and they're both WW2 RTS games - I assumed I'd jump ahead of the discussion that I am certain would follow in the comments and give my take on it. I agree - the games are wildly different and aim at different niches
Or fuck off and stop making silly demands.... Company of heroes is ABSOLUTELY something to compare to. its the same genre and COH is the largest player in the WW2 RTS genre. Doesn't matter if it has tons of gameplay differences, thats kinda the whole point of why Men of war stands out. Cry somewhere else.
@@elpern It only I thing I can see this being compare to is the Blitzkrieg Mod for COH. When it come to the vanilla version of COH they play completely different to Men of War 2
Also you definitely should play Terminator Defiance if you haven't, this is a true great campaign driven RTS! ^^ Much better than MoW imo, a better balance between RTS & RPG-esque gameplay as mow does it
No offline mode no buy. Not interested in PvP, Co-op, leaderboards, any live service crap. Just wanted to play campaigns and solo skirmish with bots, and since the devs revealed this it's on my bin instead of buy list.
"We can confirm that Men of War II will require you to be always online only at launch - an offline mode is in development. The game was developed as always online to allow us to maintain live leaderboards, properly synchronize rewards players receive (including for actions in single-player and co-op content) and prevent cheating at the same time; thanks to this, it is near to impossible to cheat in Men of War II multiplayer. But we have heard your concerns and are working on a solution that will allow you to play the single-player part of Men of War II, as well as mods, without requiring an always-online internet connection; and this will be implemented after release." Devs words.
@@Blust4r_SL Thanks for the post. I think an easy solution would just to make Multiplayer a separate downloadable DLC for those who want multiplayer. I've never played multiplayer on any Men of War game!
This whole franchise is standing on the shoulders of men of war assault squad 2 and gates of hell, arena was a massive flop, and from the looks of this it will be no different lmfao. They just slapped new UI maybe some mechanics from arena, maybe some improvements to path finding and thats it for improvements.
Umm not quite sure about this game, would love to try it of course, however it doesnt seem much different from the times when it was called Men of War Arena, which was a piece of plastic garbage in my eyes. As someone said - i would like to stay sceptically optimistic.
Dont listen to troll, men of war arena and mow2 are two different games, only think they have from arena is multiplayer matchmaking system that works grate
@@crowrider199 A month and a half has already passed. Nothing big will happen, according to the developers themselves; the online number is already around 700-800 people and continues to fall. The chance was missed, they brewed a game called MoW 2 Arena for a long time, trying to pass it off as something else.
Glad they spent extra time and resources so the 5 RUclipsrs that play multiplayer can have their leaderboards and micro transactions. Unbelievably out of touch🤦🏻♂️
What an unhinged comment, I like the game regardless if you only play SP or MP ~ but the truth is that MoW2 has a lot of actual effort put into making MP viable for this type of game, which we havnt seen before. Dedicated servers alone makes it 10x more attractive for MP than Gates of Hell. But thats me assuming you have a problem with multiplayer, just because its not your niche you shit on it? As for MTX: I literally cover the fact that they'll refuse to do MTX in the video
@@elpern After sleeping on it my comment was definitely unhinged. Mad at the game industry as a whole and taking it out on games that don’t deserve it. Multiplayer in MoW games eventually boils down nobody but the sweatiest of the sweatiest still playing. But I understand and can appreciate them still putting effort into it anyway to make it more attractive. There’s still plenty of content for single player stuff as well. I was wrong. But I’ll just admit it as opposed to deleting the comment. Thanks dude.
Sneaky little developers, they relabeled their failed project, Men of War Arena to Men of War 2, put some half assed SP content in and thats it. How do i know? Looks and feel of the game, the "XP to unlock" stuff and always internet connection required.
What's realistic about having 1 king tiger and effectively no support. Oh wait, 3 small squads of infantry? Maybe you do 1 infantry, 1 panzer, a pzk? It's stupid and flawed. Nothing realistic about the game. Also... Always online? LOL
remember, this is not a triple A game, lethal company also seems to have 2010 graphics, but look how popular it is, the important thing is the amount of content the game offer
@@Blust4r_SL All of that content seems to be a pain in the ass to balance for such a small team. And who buys RTS to play only campaigns. It's not SCBW or WCIII times. It seems very niche RTS that also wants to be survival/3rd person game. Nevertheless, big ups for launching it, but I dont believe its gonna stick to the market and be a choice for an average player. I'm all up for competition in gaming market, however looking into the player count of previous MOW games and how this one looks in 2024 its going to be a long shot to be successful.
Most RTS players actually prefer playing single player/coop. All recent competitive only RTS died not long after launch. Now look at SCII, a game that's barely updated but has solo and coop features. The game is still alive and new players are still getting into it. Those players play the campaign get used to the game and then dip into PvP. Forgoing that part is the mistake most of the industry made in the last decade and a half.
Forgot to mention this, but MoW2 will be listed for $45 on steam
I'm getting flashbacks to the first round of this stupid Men of War vs Company of Heroes fight from like 2008. They are two very different games.
Same. MoW is very different to coh
Yeah the MoW to Gates of Hell comparison is much better
The game has the same engine as every mow, but if the game is good, idc about the graphics tbh
@@timthndr2996 they have the same engine and developed with digitalmindsoft but there are no comparison goh still too good for this shit
@@toxicbunny4596 Less to do with the engine causing graphical issues and more to do with slowdown or performance issues in a 5v5 game. Any limitation on the previous engine could really fuck over gameplay.
Really well put together video for an overview and thoughts Elpern. Good to see you doing well for yourself since your days in ZEVA. Keep up the good work mate!
the real coh-killer is relic
When talking about Multiplayer: "...you have replay, reconnection, matchmaking, leaderboards, all available within the client menues". CoH3 release PTSD? :) Made me smile.
Very good and informative video! Thanks!
i am so ready to check out that dynamic campaign map
I'm not going to comment on the quality of a game I've not played, and I get they had to draw the line somewhere, but I do think it's shitty they didn't add the British as a faction at launch - and especially when there's an Operation Overlord campaign, given that most of the troops fielded during it were not American.
Yeah, hope they gona launch new nations, brits is a must
I really hope this game won't be as janky as Gates of Hell. Apart from that this will be a guaranteed purchase for me.
it's going to be so much more simple and basic... I think too much
It's the same game engine. Most of the "jank" has always been there in Gem editor.
Tbf i think MoW 2 will be a more arcadey and simple version, while GoH is more realistic
@@scorpionarius5590MoW 2 is from OG developers, they made proper 64bit, multicore support and engine upgrades long term so it doesnt brick itself like GoH
@@North_Dumpling GoH is 64 bit, which is why MoW2 gets upgraded to the same.
I know about the developers, i've been around GEM engine, since Soldiers: Heroes of WW2
@@scorpionarius5590 Yeah well riddle me why GoH becomes to unoptimized with every update since release? Multiplayer in 2024 is a chore
Im rather excited with the multiplayer on how stable it iz
gates of hell osfront seems to still be the better game, the only advantage mow2 has over ostfront are the game modes in single and multiplayer
Mow2 multiplayer is awsome, goh realy lacks multiplayer tho
Awesome video! :D
funny that people are comparing MOW2 to GOH during launch and the negativity. Remember that when GOH was released It received the same amount of negativity when being compared to MOWAS2. Have patience and hope
I disagree that it had the same negative reactions.
As far I can recall, MoW II was Arena beforehand, and the community told them things changed about a year before.
And yet it looks like those things are still present even after they had all that time. Meanwhile, GoH is ever growing with its modding scene and is working on its new DLC.
Thats just a lie.
Reason mow2 got review bombed was cuz of few streamers who got angry that they didnt get what THEY wanted and there viewers just started review bombing the games.
If you read the negative reviews, most of them are the same texts that was sayd on stream with most wasnt even true
Eyyy, man of war arena is finally back but this time its good xDDD
I Like this game. It's better than gates of hell, for me at least.
Has Maus?
i've started playing with like 8-9 months before,men of war assault squad 2 and it's awsome!i will also play the part 1 and cold war then this one,it's awsome!i like them cuz you can make units from capturing points and with those points,you can make tanks,soliders and many more,even it's not with buildings it's still awsome!
There's lot's of mods on the steam workshop that have the original missions modded into Assault Squad 2. Everything from Faces of War, Men of War, Red Tide, and Assault Squad 1. I'd recommend using the mods as Assault Squad 2 is best made of all the games. Don't bother with Cold war, it's just a mess. It's better to play Call to Arms if you want a modern feeling MoW game.
GoH looks sooo much better omg
Just by the first 2 minutes you can tell this does not stand up to CoH's quality. You'll never end up with Verdun moon crater landscape as craters simply don't exists in MoW apparently, vfx are all pretty bad, the game overall looks stiff as heck just like GoH, this really feels like a 2005 game.
On top of that they're not comparable that's for sure, it's Action RTS versus Tactical RTS.
Yep. None of the MoW games can ever hope to compete in terms of visuals. Even gameplay is meh IMO, totally unbalanced
Hopefully, They make Jadgtiger one shot any tanks from any range
this or COD 3?
Nice video, Elpern!
Stop comparing this game to Company of heroes.Its like comparing Starcraft vs Gates of hell.
You can compare Men of war 2 vs Gates of hell.
Since this channel *mainly* does Company of Heroes, and they're both WW2 RTS games - I assumed I'd jump ahead of the discussion that I am certain would follow in the comments and give my take on it. I agree - the games are wildly different and aim at different niches
Or fuck off and stop making silly demands....
Company of heroes is ABSOLUTELY something to compare to. its the same genre and COH is the largest player in the WW2 RTS genre. Doesn't matter if it has tons of gameplay differences, thats kinda the whole point of why Men of war stands out. Cry somewhere else.
Well since how Relic screwed up COH3, it is fair comparison.
@@elpern It only I thing I can see this being compare to is the Blitzkrieg Mod for COH. When it come to the vanilla version of COH they play completely different to Men of War 2
I mean company of hero's is a flagship title , though how relic handled COH-3.... 😂
Wish it was on xbox X
Nice video :)
Looks like this going be my new COH3,because i stoped playing that shity game long time ago. MoW2 for fun, Gates of hell - for realism
Even CoH 3 is better than this dogshit lol
Most people has hard time understending this
But why online Mow 2 TO SMALL?
I simply don't see a reason to get this if I already have Gates of Hell: Ostfront.
Same. Though I’d like to see Gates of Hell improve their dynamic campaign in a similar fashion
I got bouth, mow2 is more fun cuz of multiplayer, goh is good if you have other people to play coop
Wondering if done better job than coh3
Looks like tarkov meets coh. Bummer about the Brits.
Also you definitely should play Terminator Defiance if you haven't, this is a true great campaign driven RTS! ^^
Much better than MoW imo, a better balance between RTS & RPG-esque gameplay as mow does it
No offline mode no buy. Not interested in PvP, Co-op, leaderboards, any live service crap. Just wanted to play campaigns and solo skirmish with bots, and since the devs revealed this it's on my bin instead of buy list.
"We can confirm that Men of War II will require you to be always online only at launch - an offline mode is in development. The game was developed as always online to allow us to maintain live leaderboards, properly synchronize rewards players receive (including for actions in single-player and co-op content) and prevent cheating at the same time; thanks to this, it is near to impossible to cheat in Men of War II multiplayer. But we have heard your concerns and are working on a solution that will allow you to play the single-player part of Men of War II, as well as mods, without requiring an always-online internet connection; and this will be implemented after release."
Devs words.
@@Blust4r_SL Thanks for that.I also dont like online mode all the time.I preffer single player vs A.I ;]
@@Blust4r_SL oh cool, will grab it if/when that is implemented cause the game does look fun!
@@Blust4r_SL Thanks for the post. I think an easy solution would just to make Multiplayer a separate downloadable DLC for those who want multiplayer. I've never played multiplayer on any Men of War game!
Well, i doubt russia will win, in history, every time "nazis" start the war, they lose it
Gates of Hell is next gen compared to this port from 2012.
Yes GOH is really good .
No it dosnt lol
I never play this serie it hard to play ?
Funny ?
Yeah its "funny"
13:30
This whole franchise is standing on the shoulders of men of war assault squad 2 and gates of hell, arena was a massive flop, and from the looks of this it will be no different lmfao. They just slapped new UI maybe some mechanics from arena, maybe some improvements to path finding and thats it for improvements.
gates of hell is a seperate franchise
Well, 9 days later and looks like your wrong, the game is awsome and multiplayer works grate
Do you know how much is it going to cost ?
$45 on steam
Umm not quite sure about this game, would love to try it of course, however it doesnt seem much different from the times when it was called Men of War Arena, which was a piece of plastic garbage in my eyes. As someone said - i would like to stay sceptically optimistic.
Dont listen to troll, men of war arena and mow2 are two different games, only think they have from arena is multiplayer matchmaking system that works grate
İf you sow elpern play mow2 it means coh 3 was killed
well, Mow 2 failed now
@@Ermac902 why
@@crowrider199 Why what? Its fact. The developers did not attract people even at the release
@@Ermac902 its too early to say this
@@crowrider199 A month and a half has already passed. Nothing big will happen, according to the developers themselves; the online number is already around 700-800 people and continues to fall. The chance was missed, they brewed a game called MoW 2 Arena for a long time, trying to pass it off as something else.
if ya play the originals the answer is no, its a janky bare bones game.
Glad they spent extra time and resources so the 5 RUclipsrs that play multiplayer can have their leaderboards and micro transactions. Unbelievably out of touch🤦🏻♂️
What an unhinged comment, I like the game regardless if you only play SP or MP ~ but the truth is that MoW2 has a lot of actual effort put into making MP viable for this type of game, which we havnt seen before. Dedicated servers alone makes it 10x more attractive for MP than Gates of Hell. But thats me assuming you have a problem with multiplayer, just because its not your niche you shit on it? As for MTX: I literally cover the fact that they'll refuse to do MTX in the video
@@elpern After sleeping on it my comment was definitely unhinged. Mad at the game industry as a whole and taking it out on games that don’t deserve it. Multiplayer in MoW games eventually boils down nobody but the sweatiest of the sweatiest still playing. But I understand and can appreciate them still putting effort into it anyway to make it more attractive. There’s still plenty of content for single player stuff as well. I was wrong. But I’ll just admit it as opposed to deleting the comment. Thanks dude.
Sneaky little developers, they relabeled their failed project, Men of War Arena to Men of War 2, put some half assed SP content in and thats it.
How do i know?
Looks and feel of the game, the "XP to unlock" stuff and always internet connection required.
Its a single player offline game with a separate online mp mode
@@thencrranger5628 Nope it isn't. Educate yourself about Men of War 2 please.
@@R4ZORLIGHTstill is planned to have an offline mode
Still, the game is succes and is awsome, most of us wanted full multiplayer mow since the early days, we could only dream of something like this
It looks like a straight copy of coh it seems a little buggy tho
Can't really be a copy of coh when the first installments of the mow series of games predate coh by several years
What's realistic about having 1 king tiger and effectively no support. Oh wait, 3 small squads of infantry? Maybe you do 1 infantry, 1 panzer, a pzk? It's stupid and flawed. Nothing realistic about the game. Also... Always online? LOL
Thats for the 5v5 mode, the idea is teamplay. Also, 'realism' I flush down the toilet
Just get Gates of Hell instead
Why ? Its not as fun as mow2
update its trash do NOT buy
Update its awsome, highly recomend it
company of heros copy same shitt
looks horrible and looks like a 2004 game lmao. Coh 3 is totally different and will still be the better game than this shit
Mow2 is one of the best mow series, one of the best rts this year
Looks like something straight from 2010, as a game for 2024 it really looks rough.
remember, this is not a triple A game, lethal company also seems to have 2010 graphics, but look how popular it is, the important thing is the amount of content the game offer
@@Blust4r_SL Unreal Engine 5 is literally free
@@Blust4r_SL All of that content seems to be a pain in the ass to balance for such a small team. And who buys RTS to play only campaigns. It's not SCBW or WCIII times.
It seems very niche RTS that also wants to be survival/3rd person game. Nevertheless, big ups for launching it, but I dont believe its gonna stick to the market and be a choice for an average player.
I'm all up for competition in gaming market, however looking into the player count of previous MOW games and how this one looks in 2024 its going to be a long shot to be successful.
Most RTS players actually prefer playing single player/coop. All recent competitive only RTS died not long after launch. Now look at SCII, a game that's barely updated but has solo and coop features. The game is still alive and new players are still getting into it. Those players play the campaign get used to the game and then dip into PvP. Forgoing that part is the mistake most of the industry made in the last decade and a half.
Eh, I just hope that the game is at least fully moddable like MW:AS2 and CTA:GOH