Excellent video, I appreciate all the testing you do for us. I know it won't be top dmg, but if you're running a pet build, would it be better to run both quis and grim and then add mercy, or source? Or something else. like eog
I ask cause I mainly run world bosses weekly as a solo player (unless random people join) for source marks, and just stay alive while robot sidekick and quislet do the damage. I run quis, mercy and source. And was wondering if I should replace mercy with grim or eog to do more dmg. Thanks again for what you do
For those asking to run Strategist Card over Grim/Quislet etc that is more of a subjective answer and depends on the content you are running and the other type of dps in the group. If the NPC's you are fighting aren't staying alive long enough to get the full ticks out of a Strategist Card proc then it's not really doing you much good. Even if I pug a DPS run of say a newer raid things are dying pretty quick even with 5 pug dps in a regular run, strategist I would only be getting 1-2 ticks if I ran it. Elite content you could have it last longer and get the full ticks. This is also not mentioning the fact that you would have to have a rotation where it would have a chance to proc multiple times due to crits. Precision dps have no issue with this with Brawling and Dual Wield but not all might rotations will be capable of maximizing strategist by default.
So I run strat, trans and solar for ST and I use neo venom mostly on st so should I replace one of them with quislet so I get the damage from using the super charge
Needed this since I just dps with might with everyone lol, question thou I’m fire would I still rock both cards and solar since I have heat or do I take strat out for qui?
depends on whether the things you kill last long enough to get a full strat card proc tick off. If you are only getting 1 or 2 strat card procs before they are dead not much point then
@ObsidianChillDCUO Try brawling + martial arts WM clip into Spontaneous combustion, you pretty much get an instant strat proc on the entire pack/target if ST - and it HURTS with trans card + batman who laughs ally (you get around 50% crit chance baseline with frigor card proced). you normally get 2-3 procs depending on the target. It's a lot, specially vs big packs and bosses. You can always jump cancel Heat Vision's animation time before the AoE explosion to save time (Always jump at the 4th tick, because HV only hits 4 times and the AoE always goes out right after the casting duration (So if you jump right after the last tick the AoE will go out even if you're not in the casting animation anymore - and you won't miss HV full damage, because it only hits 4 times = 4 ticks).
@@furkeys114 it certainly does, I just meant if you go into a reg raid with 4 other dps doing the same thing the adds are going to melt before strat even gets a tick off with all the EoG procs that will come after 6s
if you are a pet based dps quislet will help alot because you can got the godwave procs on the refractor beam attacks it does which will be much higher than grims standard dmg, and with source shard not being 200 you wouldn't get the extra pet so you may want to consider quislet and your trinket pet rather than grim+quislet only
@@ObsidianChill Obsidian what 3 artifacts would you run for a pet build, I’m asking because i’ve had a lot of negative things about the M.E.R.C.Y artifact being bugged, i hope you can test it soon.
@@ajprop9627 yes pet build is those 3 arts queslet, grim and source shared. That's a full pet build. If you are running a sc build you can run EOG scrap or whatever youd like. But as a pure pet build your trying to get the most damage out of your pets.
Depends on your rotation I would say, if you got a lot of channelling which might affect the punctuality of quizlet's mega blast, which can affect the damage a bit. But overall I think quizlet, which I personally use, is better. Using quizlet offer me a few more blizzard to spam
Quislet procs mega blast during superpowers too, not just when you hit them.. So as long as you have a steady stream of powers it will always proc mega blast every 5 seconds. I have tested it. So in combat with quislet out, it procs off superpowers used (not superpowers hitting) and also procs in the middle of superpowers.
Daze is a common pi for other powers to set up but constructs won't proc mega blast but I still feel with the whips/LW/dervish you would still be hitting a regular power every 5 seconds
@@ObsidianChill what would you recommend for substitution of strat for HL? Coz feels like it's quite situational these days and unless you are using brawling>shuriken storm, there is often some damage loss
Great article as always! => Question : Does Water's Dehydrate trigger Quislet Refractor Beam as SC ? :) Edit: I expect NO, but still... need to know :)
Hey man, it doesn't right? I have no clue why after hours of testing I am getting better numbers with grim than with quislet for multi taget with water. And obv you dont use quislet for ST, unless he was actually triggered by dehydrate which I am fairly certain it doesn't so it becomes a waste of space
Damage-wise, What do you think about grim, quislet, and solar amplifier as my 3 artifacts? (Might dps) is that totally fine or is it just way better if i switch solar amplifier to source shard. I just play for fun but id love to hear your opinion on which is better.
if you aren't using heat vision in your rotation then solar isn't doing much for you, just stats. You could certainly run source shard but that will completely change your playstyle so you may not find that "fun" enough, with having to learn and use the godwave proc at the right times etc
So, on precision, I prefer Quizlet because I can go melee range and hit enemies with Whirling Dervish, which procs Mega Blast. If melee range is not practical, then Grim would be preferred. However, if a power set possesses a singular power that does a lot of damage and can be clipped appropriately, such as with Mini Nuke on Munitions or any power clipped with Suppressor Turret on Gadgets, Quizlet is extremely viable over Grim.
Actually, you don't need to be melee for mega blast to proc... It doesn't proc from superpower damage, it procs from just using a superpower... So in the case of people using any power to clip with prec (I.e. Whirling dirvish with brawling - 3sec cooldown), they would proc mega blast pretty much as often as a might dps. If you don't believe me, go to sparring target and summon quislet to attack, then stand back and just do a whirling dirvish from a distance, it will instantly proc meg blast.
@@TheRoreaga @obsidianChillDCUO is that technically the same thing with gadgets prec single target? With how much your clipping tpull-supturret. & dervish?
@@maikiomi I would think so. As long as you're doing some sort of power clip at least every 5s with any prec, then you should be getting the mega blast proc from quislet each time (and 1% supercharge regen every 5s, if the quislet is at 200).
Yeah it's nonsense that it wouldn't work for any prec. It will proc from any superpower in combat, even if that's a superpower that is used as a clip and doesn't hit the target.
So my fireball barrage load out with grim scrap and trans, I think I’m gonna swap out grim with quinslet! I’ll be popping a super charge every 30 seconds for almost the entire raids lol, which I almost do already without quinslet! Nice
@@pastoryoda2789 lmao that's not my point. The problem isn't the fact that we have to take months to level an artifact (assuming that one doesn't pay at all), coz this is an mmorpg, that's what games like these do. The problem is that now they add new element to the game only by shifting the meta with new artifacts and expect people to invest and follow. Allies is basically just a weaker version of artifacts, new episodes are somewhat similar, or got some reskined open world. I get it they gotta earn money, but I just feel like now they are just doing everything according to a formula and not worth the effort anymore :)
0:00 Start
4:35 Baseline Comparison
11:09 Grim DMG Comparison
12:05 Quislet DMG Comparison
15:44 Pure ST Comparison
16:40 Conclusion Summary
Excellent video, I appreciate all the testing you do for us.
I know it won't be top dmg, but if you're running a pet build, would it be better to run both quis and grim and then add mercy, or source? Or something else. like eog
I ask cause I mainly run world bosses weekly as a solo player (unless random people join) for source marks, and just stay alive while robot sidekick and quislet do the damage. I run quis, mercy and source. And was wondering if I should replace mercy with grim or eog to do more dmg. Thanks again for what you do
@@stress4284 ideally for pet damage you'd want source-mercy and quislet. If you don't have mercy grim can work as well
@@ObsidianChill Thank you, I appreciate it
For those asking to run Strategist Card over Grim/Quislet etc that is more of a subjective answer and depends on the content you are running and the other type of dps in the group. If the NPC's you are fighting aren't staying alive long enough to get the full ticks out of a Strategist Card proc then it's not really doing you much good. Even if I pug a DPS run of say a newer raid things are dying pretty quick even with 5 pug dps in a regular run, strategist I would only be getting 1-2 ticks if I ran it. Elite content you could have it last longer and get the full ticks. This is also not mentioning the fact that you would have to have a rotation where it would have a chance to proc multiple times due to crits. Precision dps have no issue with this with Brawling and Dual Wield but not all might rotations will be capable of maximizing strategist by default.
I don't care if Quislet can one-shot a final boss, so long as it makes that insufferable "Boopy-Doop!" noise, Grim is the obvious choice.
:D I am lucky enough to play with game sound low
Amen brother!!
100%
@@ObsidianChill cant hear investigations that way. Quislet and investigations are both sound effects unfortunately.
@@zerosaber257 heh, it annoyed me too, then I just... stopped caring about the boop noise.
i know im kinda late in here but what if grim + robot sidekick (since power reg from pets buff from grim) vs quislet with/wo PI?
So I run strat, trans and solar for ST and I use neo venom mostly on st so should I replace one of them with quislet so I get the damage from using the super charge
How much damage does. Refractle beam do
Cant wait for 5 Quislets screaming in my ear while playing.
I can't remember the last time I played with game sound :P
Lol😂
Did you test with robot sidekick since grim reduce power cost? Just curious if that would make a difference in dmg overtime
For battle heal should I go fang clarion and grim or quiz?
On my munitions toon might dps chain gun in both AoE and ST loadouts should I put grim in to quislet? Grim is at 125
My grimonium verum pet doesnt spawn when i fight
Same
Does Quislet work with Neo Venom boost supercharge? Or it has to be those attacking supercharges only?
Quislet vs solar amplifier?
Needed this since I just dps with might with everyone lol, question thou I’m fire would I still rock both cards and solar since I have heat or do I take strat out for qui?
depends on whether the things you kill last long enough to get a full strat card proc tick off. If you are only getting 1 or 2 strat card procs before they are dead not much point then
@ObsidianChillDCUO Try brawling + martial arts WM clip into Spontaneous combustion, you pretty much get an instant strat proc on the entire pack/target if ST - and it HURTS with trans card + batman who laughs ally (you get around 50% crit chance baseline with frigor card proced). you normally get 2-3 procs depending on the target. It's a lot, specially vs big packs and bosses.
You can always jump cancel Heat Vision's animation time before the AoE explosion to save time (Always jump at the 4th tick, because HV only hits 4 times and the AoE always goes out right after the casting duration (So if you jump right after the last tick the AoE will go out even if you're not in the casting animation anymore - and you won't miss HV full damage, because it only hits 4 times = 4 ticks).
@@furkeys114 it certainly does, I just meant if you go into a reg raid with 4 other dps doing the same thing the adds are going to melt before strat even gets a tick off with all the EoG procs that will come after 6s
Im rage prec n i run trans, strat, eog. Would quislet or grim be better than eog?
I’m Elec prec. Does EoG, Quis and transformation card work well together
for precision you would want strategist more than quis
I use both with Source Shard. Munitions might paired with this and I'm usually top damage 98-99% of the time. 😁
I can can out dps u with sorcery
I'm using both with might munitions too. But instead of source shard i'm running transformation card cause u lose lots of crits without it.
@Jakkojin cuz you not read?? “i use both with source shard”
Howdy @ObsidianChillDCUO Great vid! Keep up the good work you do for the community.
thanks for the kind words
What's the recommended Water DPS artifacts?
Did you test out the Quislet with singularity in your loadout? If so how did it turn out in numbers against the grim?
Quislet already beat grim with pi in this test
I’m might sorcery and I run source shard at 160,strat 200 and grim 160 is it worth taking off strat and adding quislet for increased damage
if you are a pet based dps quislet will help alot because you can got the godwave procs on the refractor beam attacks it does which will be much higher than grims standard dmg, and with source shard not being 200 you wouldn't get the extra pet so you may want to consider quislet and your trinket pet rather than grim+quislet only
@@ObsidianChill I see,thank you.
So what’s better for gadgets prec?
Can both pets be active at the same time?
For grim/quislet should I put sp in prec? I read somewhere that pets count as prec dmg and not might
Pets only count as prec damage to the compu hud artifact. Pet damage is only impacted by cr
@@ObsidianChill Obsidian what 3 artifacts would you run for a pet build, I’m asking because i’ve had a lot of negative things about the M.E.R.C.Y artifact being bugged, i hope you can test it soon.
Wait could you use both of them at the same time?
you can yes
@@ObsidianChill omg nice
Ay okay dude that's what I'm talking about. I was waiting for this. Thanks man hope all is well
Great vids! For prec DPS, is strategist card better than grim in overall damage?
for prec yes you always want strategist
@@ObsidianChill thank you!
What is prec?
@@makaveli6562 Precision, IE weapon-based damage.
even as prec dps i prefer quislet becouse of sc recovery .
This was exactly what I was waiting for thank u!
Would you recommend for an atomic might setup. I currently use quizlet with trans and strat for my aoe might setup
Also will mega blast proc is the tap combos of atomic, not the first hit but tap melee or tap range which continues the combo?
What would grim, quis and trans look like?
What about earth running both…because with pets and aqua man innate ability . I.e. run grim, god, and quiz? Also didn’t they nerf eye
A pet build youd still use the pet artifacts because it's a pet build.
@@Shadow497 so is that a yes to running both? With source shard? Take out gemini? Thanks
@@ajprop9627 yes pet build is those 3 arts queslet, grim and source shared. That's a full pet build. If you are running a sc build you can run EOG scrap or whatever youd like. But as a pure pet build your trying to get the most damage out of your pets.
Would strat, trans and quizlet be the ideal artifacts for a fire dps with neo venom boost in its rotation?
Strat and trans are ideal most of the time, and then it’s up to you if you want to run grim or quis otherwise
Thanks for the video! This is super helpful and much appreciated.
So for ice might would quislet be better than strat? I run trans and strat but quislet seems pretty damn good
Depends on your rotation I would say, if you got a lot of channelling which might affect the punctuality of quizlet's mega blast, which can affect the damage a bit. But overall I think quizlet, which I personally use, is better. Using quizlet offer me a few more blizzard to spam
Quislet procs mega blast during superpowers too, not just when you hit them.. So as long as you have a steady stream of powers it will always proc mega blast every 5 seconds. I have tested it. So in combat with quislet out, it procs off superpowers used (not superpowers hitting) and also procs in the middle of superpowers.
@@TheRoreaga gotcha. Thanks but quick question tho ya said superpowers used. Does it count shields as well?
@@milkyblub5580 Not sure. I think it counts, but would have to test to know for certain.
So for Hardlight Grim or Quisslet? Cause grim adds our PI in our AOE loadout.
Daze is a common pi for other powers to set up but constructs won't proc mega blast but I still feel with the whips/LW/dervish you would still be hitting a regular power every 5 seconds
@@ObsidianChill what would you recommend for substitution of strat for HL? Coz feels like it's quite situational these days and unless you are using brawling>shuriken storm, there is often some damage loss
@@e_hs quislet is a good choice as well
Does the damage penalty from the strategist card apply to pet damage?
no, pet damage is only based on your CR unless its something like Aquaman ally or Source Shard artifact that buffs separately
Great article as always!
=> Question : Does Water's Dehydrate trigger Quislet Refractor Beam as SC ? :)
Edit: I expect NO, but still... need to know :)
Hey man, it doesn't right? I have no clue why after hours of testing I am getting better numbers with grim than with quislet for multi taget with water. And obv you dont use quislet for ST, unless he was actually triggered by dehydrate which I am fairly certain it doesn't so it becomes a waste of space
What Arti combo would be better for Elec/Rage melee dps: Scrap vs Quinslet vs EoG with Trans+Strat or 2xSC arts with Trans?
Strat is a waste for both those powers on melee, EoG is mandatory
@@ObsidianChill sup what 3 arts would you use for rage melee and for rage st
@Jakkojin ok thanks
So is Grim good for might build?
grim isn't good for any build
Damage-wise, What do you think about grim, quislet, and solar amplifier as my 3 artifacts? (Might dps) is that totally fine or is it just way better if i switch solar amplifier to source shard. I just play for fun but id love to hear your opinion on which is better.
if you aren't using heat vision in your rotation then solar isn't doing much for you, just stats. You could certainly run source shard but that will completely change your playstyle so you may not find that "fun" enough, with having to learn and use the godwave proc at the right times etc
@@ObsidianChill Thank you! i love heat vision so im definitely keeping it in my loadout. Love the style used in this video btw.
Can u use both at the same time
you can yes
What’s the best weapon for damage & all
brawling for aoe and dual wield for single target
@@ObsidianChill This is one of those things I'm curious about.... what is the actual difference and how much difference is there?
Thanks
Why not use both
i'll stay with grim since i have it at 200 and i'm precision
Very appreciated as always.
Quick question, does the strat card procs count towards EoG dmg or no?
the strat card procs do not count towards EoG
So, on precision, I prefer Quizlet because I can go melee range and hit enemies with Whirling Dervish, which procs Mega Blast. If melee range is not practical, then Grim would be preferred. However, if a power set possesses a singular power that does a lot of damage and can be clipped appropriately, such as with Mini Nuke on Munitions or any power clipped with Suppressor Turret on Gadgets, Quizlet is extremely viable over Grim.
Actually, you don't need to be melee for mega blast to proc... It doesn't proc from superpower damage, it procs from just using a superpower... So in the case of people using any power to clip with prec (I.e. Whirling dirvish with brawling - 3sec cooldown), they would proc mega blast pretty much as often as a might dps. If you don't believe me, go to sparring target and summon quislet to attack, then stand back and just do a whirling dirvish from a distance, it will instantly proc meg blast.
@@TheRoreaga true with how fast brawling is it can be completely viable.
@@TheRoreaga @obsidianChillDCUO is that technically the same thing with gadgets prec single target? With how much your clipping tpull-supturret. & dervish?
@@maikiomi I would think so. As long as you're doing some sort of power clip at least every 5s with any prec, then you should be getting the mega blast proc from quislet each time (and 1% supercharge regen every 5s, if the quislet is at 200).
IS the pippers flute broken? I cant get mine to work at all
flute is working for me, what supercharge are you trying to proc it on?
It doesn't proc 100% of the time until 200. Thats how Charon explained it on the forums
@@oman4229 so its a guarnteed proc at 200? Do you have link to forum post by any chance?
@@ObsidianChill Fires Fireball barrage is what I was using it and its at 180 but it never hits for me at all
Can you use both or is unnecessary to do so?
If u have a pet build than yes
Interesting because I use quislet as gadgets prec and do the same dmg with my grim. Sometimes even more.
Yeah gadgets prec is the only prec power that can receive full benefit of quislet.
Yeah it's nonsense that it wouldn't work for any prec. It will proc from any superpower in combat, even if that's a superpower that is used as a clip and doesn't hit the target.
yo @@answering248 you like Answering questions?
@@pastoryoda2789 Yes.
@@answering248 i knew it
I thought PIs didn't stack. You had yo set up your own even if you have others using the same
That was in the past, now pi just applies to npcs for 12 seconds. So gadgets troll can set up for gadgets dps etc.
@@ObsidianChill oh okay that's helpful thanks
So my fireball barrage load out with grim scrap and trans, I think I’m gonna swap out grim with quinslet! I’ll be popping a super charge every 30 seconds for almost the entire raids lol, which I almost do already without quinslet! Nice
Qizlet vs strat
By the time we will see a dc universe for mobile?
Never
here 4 support.
Use the eye arts then spam endless with pet damge is great
@Jakkojin eye of gemini
FACE REVEAL AT 25K SUBS
Quizlet is better? Time and effort put into Grim…..wasted??? Wtf? This game man. Really?
Man, that's what they do. Change the meta from time to time so people keep spending money. Now with ally system this will be even more serious.
@@e_hs yeah this game is just a money grab they should reward us with an artifact swap for free every 3 months
@@pastoryoda2789 lmao that's not my point. The problem isn't the fact that we have to take months to level an artifact (assuming that one doesn't pay at all), coz this is an mmorpg, that's what games like these do.
The problem is that now they add new element to the game only by shifting the meta with new artifacts and expect people to invest and follow. Allies is basically just a weaker version of artifacts, new episodes are somewhat similar, or got some reskined open world.
I get it they gotta earn money, but I just feel like now they are just doing everything according to a formula and not worth the effort anymore :)
@@e_hs yeah, I’m just glad allies are 100% during breakthrough