Another few points: If you run out of the Jadefire stomp buff for fist weave healing, and you don't have a reset for it - cast and cancel essence fint to refresh the buff, this interaction goes away next expansion Monks CC kit is actually amazing, use Planter, and a good player profile to help with understanding what and when to kick, Quazii does amazing plater profiles. When stepping off your Jadefire stomp the buff persists for a while like 8 seconds(?) be sure to track it, get a weakaura helps. Learning what mobs hit hard before they hit is quite important as MW, optimally if you know your tank will take a very heavy amount of damage over time, you would cast, (Renewing mist - soothing mist - enveloping mist - vivify spam) that's 4 globals before you start healing, or chiji (Jadefire stomp - "oh shit i forgot to stack blackout kicks realisation" - tiger palm - chiji - blackout kick) even without the forgetting to stack blackout kick means 3 globals, you can be a reactionary healer, but it's not the best at it. You can precast sheiluns gift, that can be very helpful at places like algethar academy on vexamus for example
LB I can't tell you how much I appreciate you for this. Every patch/update/xpac that comes out I actively seek out your guidance for changes....I had NO idea about chi burst to reset jade fire! Thank you again!!!
I know I'm late to the game because Ive just come back from quitting as a Blood DK back in WotLK. But... Holy shit, man. This was super helpful. I've been struggling to find a rhythm with Mistweaver. Thank you so much for this.
Trinkets: slot 1 Fyrakks slot 2 has a few options, Neltharion's call to dominance, Broodkeepers, Iceblood Deathsnare, or one of the many stat sticks like OCE or Rashok's depending on what you want!
Thank you so much. This is the best guide I watched for a casual player like me. This will help me to get back to wow and my monk. I was kind of lost and overwhelmed with all the skills!
I really appreciate that! Yeah I know monk is so overwhelming, so my main goal is to try and simplify it as much as possible and leave out a lot of the spells that have little to no use!
Mastery only scales healing from your mastery procs, while vers and crit scale vivify, vivify cleave, enveloping breath… every source even including mastery. You’ll just heal more by putting stats elsewhere!
I would need to shake off my WW rust a bit before I felt confident enough to make a WW guide, but, don't tell anyone... That may or may not happen this season in a series ;)
It's never a BAD idea to have good enveloping mist uptime on the tank, however the calculation for Ancient teachings is just 1.5x the damage done. for example i just tested on training dummies to make sure and I had an enveloping mist on a dummy, ancient teachings buff, then kicked another dummy for 67006 damage. Ancient teachings healed the dummy with enveloping mist on it for 100,509, which is 1.5x the damage the rsk did!
Really struggling at the moment during high group damage, such as add phase on last boss of nokhud. Knowing when to stop fistweaving and start casting also. Any tips? ( obviously Shei Luns etc on cool-down) cheers
for that fight i generally dont use my chiji/sheilun that much and try to top up ppl solely from fistweaving at phase 1, popping big stuff for adds transition as p2 is where the real pain from (pool from aoes/vacuum spear etc) and yes if all my big cds are down and fistweaving is not enough output i just cleave vivifying with soothing
Just know that the most healing that you can do is during your chiji window, so I always line my chiji's up with giant damage phases like this! Try to cleave on 2 adds and spread enveloping mists fast! Then use your instant vivify to captitalize on the many hots that come with the Chiji rotation!
I usually try to help out there by paralyzing one add that’s far to the outside. Then I try to ROP the add next to the para’d to bring it into the group. This part is a lot easier if everyone just helps to group them up. Then you can cleave heal easier and use Gift to fill in. Also rolling through defensives you can focus on the others more.
Hey mate, been on your discord but can't find your healbot ui, do you mind posting it on your discord ? I will add that i really like this video and give a chance to your talent tree, i've got one that i really like with more passive cd but well testing is progressing ! Have a nice day !
I don't have the spell on my bars, instead I have a simple macro In it's place that removes the delay between spinning crane kicks. /cast !spinning crane kick
I mean ancient teachings isn't the only talent I talk about here lol. But as for every interaction you run in this build, this video includes everything you need to know!
Thank you so much! As for Essence Font, we don't press it. You would get more healing out of just pressing vivify since you should always have at least 2 renewing mists to also cleave of of!
hi. @LBNinja7 : Is it worth playing fistweaver playstyle in raids? Even if its not as good as the current raid talents are...it would be fine for me if its only ok instead of beeing great 🙂
You 100% can!! Yes it theoretically can't hit the same numbers as the other build, but how often do you do the theoretical max hps of your build lol! A fistweaving build can perform pretty well in heroic raids, bit remember to still cast vivify since you'll have a lot of renewing mists out!
As someone who hasn't played since ShadowLands, is "fistweaving vs mistweaving" no longer a thing? Is everyone just a fistweaver now? What about in Raid situations? All vids I see seem to focus on fistweaving, to the point where I'm confused.. as it was a niche build back when I played. 😅
It's more that it's just a playstyle that's suited to m+. They've made it to where spinning crane kick heals too, so now your healing scales with how big the pull is so in a game mode where you pull more than 1 enemy a lot, it performs well!
been searching for a vid for how to spend ur bullions on mist, on wowhead they don't talk about the fryrakk trinket at all for healers....icyviens does. It seems very strong in M+. I guess I'll just go with seedling first since I'm raiding and I think its just another big cd in m+ for harder stuff? Obviously it would be weapon first if you don't have a high ilvl one already but what about damage trinkets for mist in dungeons. Wowhead shows suncaller but doesn't talk about it at all in the bis list.
It all depends on what gear you already have and what your goals are. If you don't have a weapon, that will give you the best stat boost atm. Or if you want a trinket there are some solid options. If you don't have a seedling from last season and want the best raid option, then its the one. If you have a seed from last season, get broodkeepers or neltharion's call to dominance. And finally if you have a weapon already and ONLY care about m+, fyrakks is a great one to pick up! PERSONALLY, I went with Fyrakks as my first bullion as my guild isnt raiding this tier so I only care about pushing m+, and I also already have a seedling from last season and a Heroic weapon!
No I don't. Essence font is really good healing while you level, but eventually it gets out healed by casting a single vivify since that hits so hard and also heals every renewing mist target!
Hi, which healer would you recommend for someone who enjoys a reactive gameplay. I used to main resto shaman back in shadowlands season 1, and it was the most fun I've had in wow. Now with druid I feel like I'm not the one doing the healing, if you know what I mean.
hey mate, really good and informative guides, helped me out alot, much appreciated! i checked your twitch, dont stress about answering chat questions during dungeons, most of us are there to watch how you play :)
You can, but you really want to play AS IF this isn't an option, trying to always have your jadefire stomp available, however, essence font is always there as a backup!
LOL i know right! I think the base mastery you can get is pretty high like around 50%, but this was also toward the beginning of the season when i was still gearing my character!
It all depends on what gear you already have and what your goals are. If you don't have a weapon, that will give you the best stat boost atm. Or if you want a trinket there are some solid options. If you don't have a seedling from last season and want the best raid option, then its the one. If you have a seed from last season, get broodkeepers or neltharion's call to dominance. And finally if you have a weapon already and ONLY care about m+, fyrakks is a great one to pick up!
New Mistweaver playstyle is sad, I can "heal" a whole dungeon just pressing my 3.5 damage abilities. Chi-Ji is boring, much unlike Yu'lon with green beams and mists flying everywhere. Oh, you want group healing? Just press Sheilun's Gift. I love the fact that Mistweaver is powerful, but I miss the caster side. I wish they gave MW some ranged alternative play for DPS. Crackling Jade Lightning and Zen Pulse just doesn't cut it.
@@Buruleque Me too, I've mained Mistweaver since MoP, but today's Mistweaver if vastly different to how it has always been. I only do M+ now, but since Shadowlands I've been playing all the healing specs in M+ up to around level 18/20s. I'm enjoying MW less every time they add to their damage to healing conversion, as for me it really dumbs down the spec. Even Holy Priest/RSham requires more concentration now. 😂
The only window that you get meaningful value from it is during chiji, and putting stats into mastery doesn't make your chiji windows that much stronger as opposed to putting it in vers or crit which also empower chiji as well as outside of chiji
Another few points:
If you run out of the Jadefire stomp buff for fist weave healing, and you don't have a reset for it - cast and cancel essence fint to refresh the buff, this interaction goes away next expansion
Monks CC kit is actually amazing, use Planter, and a good player profile to help with understanding what and when to kick, Quazii does amazing plater profiles.
When stepping off your Jadefire stomp the buff persists for a while like 8 seconds(?) be sure to track it, get a weakaura helps.
Learning what mobs hit hard before they hit is quite important as MW, optimally if you know your tank will take a very heavy amount of damage over time, you would cast, (Renewing mist - soothing mist - enveloping mist - vivify spam) that's 4 globals before you start healing, or chiji (Jadefire stomp - "oh shit i forgot to stack blackout kicks realisation" - tiger palm - chiji - blackout kick) even without the forgetting to stack blackout kick means 3 globals, you can be a reactionary healer, but it's not the best at it.
You can precast sheiluns gift, that can be very helpful at places like algethar academy on vexamus for example
Another point: If you mess up your jadefire placement, or tank pulls the mobs off it, you can use CHI WAVE for stomp resets.
Great guide but you forgot to add your most important ability, zen flight, to your bars for when you fat finger mount button midair
Ahhh yes! I have failed you! I shall scrap the guide and go again!
Glad I am not the only one who does that LOL
I do that on purpose to feel a rush..
LB I can't tell you how much I appreciate you for this. Every patch/update/xpac that comes out I actively seek out your guidance for changes....I had NO idea about chi burst to reset jade fire! Thank you again!!!
This was a 10/10 guide! Very well laid out and simply explained, thank you
I know I'm late to the game because Ive just come back from quitting as a Blood DK back in WotLK.
But... Holy shit, man. This was super helpful. I've been struggling to find a rhythm with Mistweaver. Thank you so much for this.
Welcome back! I'm glad you found the channel, and just in time for the war within! I have so many guides coming your way!
Thank you immensely for this. Im back for S4 like so many other and I really needed this.
You're very welcome!
Thx for video, i was hoping if you went through bis trinkets and gearing etc..
Trinkets:
slot 1 Fyrakks
slot 2 has a few options, Neltharion's call to dominance, Broodkeepers, Iceblood Deathsnare, or one of the many stat sticks like OCE or Rashok's depending on what you want!
Thanks! Was looking for a mw gearing guide/tips @@LBNinja7
Also, which bullion spend do you recommmend? Fyrakks?
Thank you so much. This is the best guide I watched for a casual player like me. This will help me to get back to wow and my monk. I was kind of lost and overwhelmed with all the skills!
I really appreciate that! Yeah I know monk is so overwhelming, so my main goal is to try and simplify it as much as possible and leave out a lot of the spells that have little to no use!
You are slowly making me a semi decent monk healer...lol. Old dogs suck at learning new tricks.
LOL I appreciate that!
Absolutely superb video 👌👌
well presented, thank you for the guide, learned a lot
I appreciate that! I am happy with how it came out and will strive to make my next one even better!
i only have one question. why do you want as little mastery as possible when every other guide says master is so important. thank you! great guide!
Mastery only scales healing from your mastery procs, while vers and crit scale vivify, vivify cleave, enveloping breath… every source even including mastery. You’ll just heal more by putting stats elsewhere!
I really like your mw guides. Ever consider making WW guides as well?
I would need to shake off my WW rust a bit before I felt confident enough to make a WW guide, but, don't tell anyone... That may or may not happen this season in a series ;)
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Nice Guide, for me monk heal is one of the most complex specs, idk if i will master it^^
"With enough practice, a monk can master anything" - IDK probably Chen?
@@LBNinja7 hahaha Yeah i will try, and my Pandaren Monk is namend Cheng😁🤪👍🏼
Solid guide as always
Does enveloping mist work for Aincient teachings? Like maintain EM on tank st all times to maximize tank healings through AT.
It's never a BAD idea to have good enveloping mist uptime on the tank, however the calculation for Ancient teachings is just 1.5x the damage done.
for example i just tested on training dummies to make sure and I had an enveloping mist on a dummy, ancient teachings buff, then kicked another dummy for 67006 damage. Ancient teachings healed the dummy with enveloping mist on it for 100,509, which is 1.5x the damage the rsk did!
@@LBNinja7 so the healing buff from enveloping mist doesnt stack with heals from aincient teachings?
@@Fabric_Hater correct!
Really struggling at the moment during high group damage, such as add phase on last boss of nokhud. Knowing when to stop fistweaving and start casting also. Any tips? ( obviously Shei Luns etc on cool-down) cheers
for that fight i generally dont use my chiji/sheilun that much and try to top up ppl solely from fistweaving at phase 1, popping big stuff for adds transition as p2 is where the real pain from (pool from aoes/vacuum spear etc) and yes if all my big cds are down and fistweaving is not enough output i just cleave vivifying with soothing
@@locket9160 Legend
Just know that the most healing that you can do is during your chiji window, so I always line my chiji's up with giant damage phases like this! Try to cleave on 2 adds and spread enveloping mists fast! Then use your instant vivify to captitalize on the many hots that come with the Chiji rotation!
I usually try to help out there by paralyzing one add that’s far to the outside. Then I try to ROP the add next to the para’d to bring it into the group. This part is a lot easier if everyone just helps to group them up. Then you can cleave heal easier and use Gift to fill in. Also rolling through defensives you can focus on the others more.
You can leave trade services chat to stop the spam.
Hey great guide, do you have any advice on what to craft/spend bullion on?
Hey mate, been on your discord but can't find your healbot ui, do you mind posting it on your discord ?
I will add that i really like this video and give a chance to your talent tree, i've got one that i really like with more passive cd but well testing is progressing !
Have a nice day !
I don't use healbot! I think that is a player health bar addon, so I use grid2 in its place!
@@LBNinja7 ok awesome unlucky me then ! You should definitely try It. It can be really helpful during hard times ahah 😂
When you use spinning crane kick, you can use it together at the same time, I can't, why is that?
I don't have the spell on my bars, instead I have a simple macro In it's place that removes the delay between spinning crane kicks.
/cast !spinning crane kick
@@LBNinja7 brother, you helped a lot, thank you very much
What are the best in slots items for MW? Especially trinkets
What healing trinkets do you recommend?
How do you raid heal big bursts as a monk like the ones form raz?
I'm still on peer into peace for raid! I do yulon ramps for big bursts!
@@LBNinja7 Alright, thanks. Great guide.
Muchas gracias por las guias
So this is just for Ancient Teachings? Not exactly "everything you need to know"
I mean ancient teachings isn't the only talent I talk about here lol. But as for every interaction you run in this build, this video includes everything you need to know!
What is the weakaura you use for your cooldowns?
FOR MY ui:
Join my discord below! There is a channel in my discord called #my-ui that has it all available to you!
@@LBNinja7 oki ty!
Nice Guide, thanks a Lot for explanation.
One Questionen is open from my side, when do i use Essence Font?
Thank you so much! As for Essence Font, we don't press it. You would get more healing out of just pressing vivify since you should always have at least 2 renewing mists to also cleave of of!
hi. @LBNinja7 : Is it worth playing fistweaver playstyle in raids? Even if its not as good as the current raid talents are...it would be fine for me if its only ok instead of beeing great 🙂
You 100% can!! Yes it theoretically can't hit the same numbers as the other build, but how often do you do the theoretical max hps of your build lol! A fistweaving build can perform pretty well in heroic raids, bit remember to still cast vivify since you'll have a lot of renewing mists out!
As someone who hasn't played since ShadowLands, is "fistweaving vs mistweaving" no longer a thing? Is everyone just a fistweaver now? What about in Raid situations? All vids I see seem to focus on fistweaving, to the point where I'm confused.. as it was a niche build back when I played. 😅
It's more that it's just a playstyle that's suited to m+. They've made it to where spinning crane kick heals too, so now your healing scales with how big the pull is so in a game mode where you pull more than 1 enemy a lot, it performs well!
this hurt my small frost dk brain
been searching for a vid for how to spend ur bullions on mist, on wowhead they don't talk about the fryrakk trinket at all for healers....icyviens does. It seems very strong in M+. I guess I'll just go with seedling first since I'm raiding and I think its just another big cd in m+ for harder stuff? Obviously it would be weapon first if you don't have a high ilvl one already but what about damage trinkets for mist in dungeons. Wowhead shows suncaller but doesn't talk about it at all in the bis list.
It all depends on what gear you already have and what your goals are. If you don't have a weapon, that will give you the best stat boost atm.
Or if you want a trinket there are some solid options. If you don't have a seedling from last season and want the best raid option, then its the one. If you have a seed from last season, get broodkeepers or neltharion's call to dominance.
And finally if you have a weapon already and ONLY care about m+, fyrakks is a great one to pick up!
PERSONALLY, I went with Fyrakks as my first bullion as my guild isnt raiding this tier so I only care about pushing m+, and I also already have a seedling from last season and a Heroic weapon!
@@LBNinja7 Thanks for this LB, I was looking for info on how to spend bullions too.
@@LBNinja7 thank you that helps me out a ton
Did you talk about essence font here? Im new to it and essence font has axtually been rlly easy to use and heal with
No I don't. Essence font is really good healing while you level, but eventually it gets out healed by casting a single vivify since that hits so hard and also heals every renewing mist target!
@@LBNinja7 oh thank you
@LBNinja7 wait you're telling me vivify heals every target with enveloping mists?!?!
Hi, which healer would you recommend for someone who enjoys a reactive gameplay. I used to main resto shaman back in shadowlands season 1, and it was the most fun I've had in wow. Now with druid I feel like I'm not the one doing the healing, if you know what I mean.
Holy priest :)
Yeah HPriest has a spot heal that is instant and VERY chunky, but Shaman still plays a lot like it used to!
hey mate, really good and informative guides, helped me out alot, much appreciated! i checked your twitch, dont stress about answering chat questions during dungeons, most of us are there to watch how you play :)
Lol I really do read chat at the worst moments 😅 thank you so much!!
If ur jadestomp is on cd u can use essence font to trigger ancient teaching
You can, but you really want to play AS IF this isn't an option, trying to always have your jadefire stomp available, however, essence font is always there as a backup!
@@LBNinja7 true but its good when the tank forces you to move from your stomps and essence not mana efficient at all so its only a last resort
lol "low mastery as u can get" but u have 64% mastery xD
LOL i know right! I think the base mastery you can get is pretty high like around 50%, but this was also toward the beginning of the season when i was still gearing my character!
I have only ONE question now: WHAT should I buy at vendor today? Fyrakk trinket?
ty
Do you change your trinkets when in raid or mythic+? I'm trying to work if it's best to get 4 bis trinkets, or you can interchange them
I do! One thing that's popular is having 3 trinkets. Seedling for raid, something like fyrakks for m+, and something like nelths for both
@@LBNinja7 absolute life saver! Need to get fyrakks for m+ got everything else. Thank you 😊
Thanks for a great guide. Hope you will do similar for Raid healing
And I thought r Druid was complicated! 😄
LBN what should I buy with my bullions today before raid?
It all depends on what gear you already have and what your goals are. If you don't have a weapon, that will give you the best stat boost atm.
Or if you want a trinket there are some solid options. If you don't have a seedling from last season and want the best raid option, then its the one. If you have a seed from last season, get broodkeepers or neltharion's call to dominance.
And finally if you have a weapon already and ONLY care about m+, fyrakks is a great one to pick up!
New Mistweaver playstyle is sad, I can "heal" a whole dungeon just pressing my 3.5 damage abilities. Chi-Ji is boring, much unlike Yu'lon with green beams and mists flying everywhere. Oh, you want group healing? Just press Sheilun's Gift. I love the fact that Mistweaver is powerful, but I miss the caster side. I wish they gave MW some ranged alternative play for DPS. Crackling Jade Lightning and Zen Pulse just doesn't cut it.
I believe the spec you're looking for is called Disc 😜
@@Gleamings Hell no, not even close 😂😂
You can always play a Priest if you want ranged dps healing, we play MW because we love to kick and punch things.
@@Buruleque Me too, I've mained Mistweaver since MoP, but today's Mistweaver if vastly different to how it has always been. I only do M+ now, but since Shadowlands I've been playing all the healing specs in M+ up to around level 18/20s. I'm enjoying MW less every time they add to their damage to healing conversion, as for me it really dumbs down the spec. Even Holy Priest/RSham requires more concentration now. 😂
You’re crazy this is such a cool healing style
Mastery is a pretty important stat in m+…
The only window that you get meaningful value from it is during chiji, and putting stats into mastery doesn't make your chiji windows that much stronger as opposed to putting it in vers or crit which also empower chiji as well as outside of chiji