I bought about a year ago a 1795 Springfield because of your channel. I love this musket. I did refinish the stock and all the hardware including the barrel. It now looks like a museum piece.
I know several reenactors that have these muskets and they fire them often at the different events. I have a brown Bess that I absolutely love as well so they they great. About to order a Brunswick from IMA for my collection that would fit nicely with the others 😁
This by far the best endorsement for the Indian Made Muskets, and I own one and will more than likely purchase another. I am waiting on Military Heritage to restock their inventory. And yes, I want a 1766 Charleville. So, I'm a little jealous. Good Video.
I bought a Pedersoli Queen Ann pistol a few years ago. The breech plug was too long extending up into the barrel so far it actually covered half of the touch hole. It was an easy fix, just drilled a slight channel into the face of the breech plug thought the touch hole. So paying " top dollar" for one of those Italian production guns is not a guarantee of quality. I purchased the 1733French pistol from Military Heritage after watching the video on the gun by this channel. Fit , finish ,and wood are excellent. Spoke to Robert at Military Heritage and he's a great guy! Awesome customer service!
What kind of irks me is that somebody like Pedersoli make very high quality muskets however they couldn't seem to put a screw on barrel on their Queen Anne's pistol LOL
I had a Pedersoli Brown Bess, and the pan covered 2/3 of the touch hole. I had to do quite a bit of file work to make it functional. Also, the stock was sapwood, very soft walnut.
Too bad about your fusil. I did the same thing with my M1 carbine. I was out hunting coyotes and ran up against a Mojave green rattlesnake. He actually bit my pants but didn’t get me. I fired twice and missed then beat him to a pulp until my poor carbine was in multiple pieces.
Well at least you killed your rattlesnake mine set there and watched me club at him with the fusil. Then Caleb fired 6 rounds at him with a 51 Navy and missed all of them. Then I slowly backed away and he slowly slithered away and then I noticed that my fusil stock was broken in half I didn't even kill rattler.
Thanks Ethan. Well done review. I own a Bess Military heritage. Mine came with a Muzzle socket bayonet. I bought it used. Oh and I also have a Blunderbus, you are 100% right about heavy (I estimate 25lbs) trigger. I own 2 other flinters (3 till tomorrow; ask Garrett :) You are right about the finish on them. and yes the Ramrods are crap. I am saving up in the hopes a real older one shows up here on the auction market.... Happy Holidays to all the Woods.
Thanks for sharing the first hand, behind the gun experience you've had with these. It's amazing how many people swear how bad they are having never even firing one. I was just hammered by a fella on my vid stating "You should hang it on the wall and not shoot it". Well, I took the Chiefs Trade Gun out yesterday and put another 25 rounds through it w/o incident..... I really like your Charleville. Looks really nice. Mine is OK but the bands don't fit like I'd like them to. Love watching you guys have fun with them though and prove all the "nay sayers" incorrect. Keep up the great work.
I think I got lucky on my Fusil de Chasse, the wood seems solid all the way down. Finish of metal and inletting looks good to me.......will shoot it till the finish is ugly then do a make over. I bought it on your review of the Military heritage guns. So i knew what I was getting into. I have never been able to afford the "good guns" but I have learned to buy in budget and upgrade/improve to my needs on all different kinds of guns. Appreciate 11BangBang for your honest reviews and efforts spend on the videos. I watch as much of them as I can.
I am glad people hate India made muskets. It keeps demand and price low. I have two of them and I love them and I plan to buy more. While the experts are busy pontificating, I will be out shooting. BTY, I love your content! Keep up the good work.
I thought your presentation was great. Not too long at all. I found this video because I am researching the different makers for these long guns. ( I really enjoy antique and vintage firearms, and want a Charleville I can feel comfortable actually shooting ) - Oh, and I too am a former Grunt. You have earned my subscription. Cheers.
Thanks! Great Review. I bought an India Made 1842 Springfield (Palmetto) from Veteran Arms. Works great, except for the shooter (LOL). Looking to get a Brown Bess from Military Heritage!
just a thought, you could make a really cool canoe gun out of that French fusi. shorten the barrel to 26"s some brass tacks rawhide around the wrist a little antiquing. and it will be a pleasure to shoot. 60 grains 2 ff and .600 rb 10 thou. patch.
I also bought a LLP from MH and my only knitpicks are easy fixes, that shellac is balls, the high polish grit on the barrel and lock and lockplate, and thats all. After proofing her with 200grs of ff2 and Ive ran nothing but 80grs out of her since. No issues other then normal flintlock mundane issues like missfires, high fires, flints quitting on me etc. Id say their worth it. Their perfect for beginners and enthusiast's who want to learn the art of making a flintlock run like a clock, and yes they demand WAYYYY more attention than a modern firearm does.
Thanks I’m learning a lot, being new to muzzleloading I am really enjoying your videos, none of the snooty crap either that I’ve seen from other videos, like you I’m not rich, and I have nothing against the Indian made guns. I was watching a video yesterday with some guy saying that if you don’t have an American made expensive lock it isn’t worth spit!, of course I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it.😂 New subscriber here.
To me, my only gripe is "parts consistency". I discovered in the past that most the internal lock parts fit differently in some. Also i prefer walnut or maple stocks. The teak and beech wood stocks do look beautiful, but they are prone to fracture quicker and are more brittle than the standard norms. Otherwise As to the barrels....When it comes to anything ,like a 1853 Enfield or 1861 Springfield... I want a barrel with rifling. I realize that smoothbore barrels are easier to clean and all, but I'm a details nut and would like rifled barrels in anything post rev war era.
Man, you should really give your fusil de chasse a second chance. It didn't even get a fair shake I have one and I think it's pretty sweet. I'd never want to change, or get rid of mine. I'd love to take a bunch of game with it, big and small. Had to bring it out to enjoy its presence while watching haha. Good vid.
@@Real11BangBang Nice! Looking forward to it, and ya, my rod broke within the first 15 minutes lol For a short time I owned an original gendarmerie flintlock pistol from around 1810. It was a decent calibre as far as I can remember. And tiny!
Oooo i would have to say i like garrets trade rifle and your charleville a lot. If you wear threw the case hardening. Throw it in and small metal container put some ground up charcoal you would use for black powder down then put it in the middle and completely cover the hammer slash frison then seal it up so no oxygen can get in . Then throw it in a fire pit. Next day pull it out heat it red hit then dunk in a oil should put alot of case hardening back in it the longer it stays in the fire the more case hardening it'll have
Thanks for the great video. Do you remember what stain you used when you re-finished your Charleville?? I’m looking to refinish my Military Heritage Charleville as well. Yours turned out great.
I have the veterans English trade gun reenacted with it for a year, believing all the hype that it was a little bit better than a pipe on then ran across the fella that hunts bears with his. He showed me his musket information that the pound Square inch generated on a really tight bucket ball load are the same with solid load And I had a load for turkeys where I wanted really hard the shot so I shot three times and then shot four times straight ball
Great review...I recently picked up two muskets, good deal for the money. I have wondered if spare parts are available from Military Heritage. On the other hand they are a pretty accurate reproduction so parts from any place would probably work with a little hand fitting
Re-en actor / living historian for over 20 years ,love my military heritage firearms . I have been gun smithing twice as long . I proof these with double charges and double ball, no problems .
Long winded or not, i stayed for the whole video and enjoyed it. Subbed. I recently stumbled into or onto a blunderbuss at a pawn shop and took her home for 100 bucks. Started cleaning, disassembling and looking it over. Im thinking its shootable
I have five of the India guns Officer .62 cal , 1816 Springfield .69 cal, Blunderbus, Match lock with the trigger, .62 cal British Naval pistol, and they all work great and enjoyable to shoot.
though the process 1) varnish stripper, 2) stain, 3) boiled linseed oil, then 4) Johnson Paste Wax described at 27:30 & 36:48 can be done for less than $100.00.
It's funny,if these guns are pipe bombs,they sure are flying off the shelves.Loyalist Arms are four to six months behind.At the least.Not short on guns,short on help.Love the videos,keep'em coming.
You and your team are a great bunch pay no attention to the nay sayers the world is full of people that know everything. You guys obviously have a clue. I like how you test everything. I learned a lot from watching your videos.
Great video ! I think I’ve seen all your videos at least twice now. Is there a video on the double barrel shot gun? I would really like to see it in action.
Excellent video really enjoyed it. I have a question though. I have come into possession of an original Barnet made Bess lock ( Nepal release 1803 dated) and am wondering if might be worth picking up one of these to give it a home. Seems like an easier path than trying to build an entire land pattern from parts catalog.
You know what I have an original Brown bess lock on an original Short land pattern albeit it is converted to percussion tomorrow morning I will take it off and compare it to a military heritage lock plate and see if they are the same measurements.
@@Real11BangBang thank you, I am thinking a late model short India might make a good "trade gun" type trapper thing ...for carting around in the bush...used with shot for small game and heavy balls once in a while for the big stuff
Thank you really for your videos as I'm new to flintlock. I really learn alot. On your Cherliville. Did you do something to remove the chrome on everything? If so how did you do it? Can you make a video discussing process..or did you do a video already
@11BangBang thank you what grit? Ate you going straight motion or circular? What did d you treat with or was that the beeswax you talked about. Thank you so very much
No rattlesnakes where I live but plenty of copperheads. Hate those little f***ers cause they don’t flee, they freeze. Real easy to step on one in low light.
Ooops sent before i finished, its marked st Etienne and there are all kinds of numbers and characters mostly under the woodline on the bottom. I think its an 1822. Still got a lot of research to do. The only thing it needs to be shootable is the nipple is nadly damaged and rusted to the breech. Not sure how to fix it but i believe i have caught the BP bug and i like it.
Hey Ethan, Got a good way to antique or de-shine a high polished steel on a musket? I want to chase a turkey and squirrels. I just want to make it alittle less shiny.
If you want to keep it a military look, you can just use some 220 grit sandpaper along the barrel until it takes on a duller look but if you want to make it look more like a civilian or a surplus gun You can brown it using Laurel mountain forge Browning solution
Ethan, I've been scratching my head trying to decide the way I want to do my flash hole and breechplug on my 77'. I already drilled a 1/16" where needed, and it fires but not very quick ignition. I pulled the plug last night and found that the threads run past the hole, so sparks have to go through both the barrel wall AND the breechplug wall to get fire. It's one of the plugs where the threads start a little over 3/16" from the base and then continue past the hole. Was yours like this?, and how is yours set up, because you get good ignition every time, so I'd like to do the same thing. Size of drill, etc...and what to do about the breechplug configuration....
G'Day, I have an Indian Brown Bess that looks and shoots well. Much cheaper than the Italian made muskets. I've fired this musket with round ball, shot and blanks. Very reliable. I have a couple of smooth bore Indian Enfield muskets-- a short cavalry carbine and a 3 band/"rifle". I've fired these with blanks as well as with small shot and round ball. Have you had any experience with these muskets? Always enjoy your videos. Cheers, Steve
The "problems" you speak of aren't really uncommon. When the lock-downs started a few years ago my shooting interests expanded into an ever growing interest in all things black powder guns. I started with Uberti & Pietta revolvers. The first being an 1851 Colt Navy. It was pretty good out of the box. Big fun! So I added to the collection an 1848 Pocket, 1860 Army, 1860 Sheriff, '61 Navy, '62 Police, a Remington New Army and a Remington Revolving Carbine. The '51 Navy was okay out of the box but the rest of the Colt repro's were poor to literally non-functional. They all took substantial smithing but are now very nice. The hand slot was the biggest issue for all of them, and basic timing. The wedge of the 1848 would just fall out, hand fitted a new one. The arbor on the 1862 stuck out so far that the hammer couldn't reach a cap. Fixed all that then added SlixShot nipples...a must-do in in my opinion. The Remingtons were pretty good, mostly. I wanted to try a flinter so I ordered a Traditions .50 cal as an entry piece. I was very disappointed! The gap between the frizzen and the flash hole was every bit of 3/16th inch and offset by a full hole. It took a substantial rebuild to inlet and align the lock, stock & barrel. The rear sight was flopping loose too. The stock geometry, like the Remington Carbine, was awful. Fixed that too. So on and so on. That would have been $500 worth of very unhappy save that I have a thing for such projects. Point being, "better brands" vs. India pipe bombs!? No, not really. They will all take some work. For me, I have the skill, tools & inclination to tinker with them for fun. This isn't a new phenomenon, my early '90's vintage Ruger Old Army was good out of the box. A wee dressing made it great. Meanwhile, my '70's vintage ASM .31 Remington Pocket was woefully out of time. What am I getting at?...expect some issues. Much of the fun is getting them dialed in. 1911's, AR's, AK's, flinters & muskets, all different, all big fun! So, for most of you out there, figure your getting a kit with any brand. Take your time. Educate yourself. Gather the tools. You can do this. So now I'm chomping at the bit for a 1766 or 1795 and matching pistol...and a coach gun...and a .43 Spanish..and a....... Well, anyway, best wishes Y'all from a fellow Kansas guy.
at 29:53, the discussion about the hammer(aka frizzen) brings up a point, are there replacement frizzens available or would have to resort to homemade hardening?
Hey Ethan with your long land pattern have done any work on the lock. My main spring was making a small channel on the tumbler. I filed it out and tried to harden the tumbler , but i couldnt get to harden. I was just wondering if you've had this issue, thank you god bless.
To the long land pattern is one that I have not done any work on the lock too. It's actually been really good right out of the box but I would suggest getting some true spark from track of the wolf. Maybe polishing out that groove getting an oxyacetylene torch and heating that tumbler up to to a medium cherry red and add some carbon to it with the true spark let it cook into the tumbler for about 10 minutes and then quench in hot water
Their match lock guns are awesome. You might want to check out our Thanksgiving guns of the pilgrims video in which we shoot a military heritage match lock a lot
Merry Christmas, Gents'! These guns definitely aren't Glocks (thank heavens for that!), so a little extra TLC does go a long way for shooting or collecting joy. I still love Ol' Char too, but once you get done w/that St. E, she will probably turn quite a few heads at the next dance.
😂 I was whinning about my jaw and/or old teeth aches to Wife one evening til I thunk about it. 🤔 Oh yeah, I did shoot the ol’ Char a bunch. I have to really lean into the buttstock to get my aim on. I got realky frustrated after I ran out of Swiss. I just couldn’t seem to get pan flash thru to main after switching to Goex. Maybe from in-between bore swabs. I decided I needed a liner but man I really sorta screwed the pooch from never doing it before. 3 touchhole liner sizes later.. we’ll see.
Do you have an opinion on the 1816 Springfield? Think that's going to be my next purchase. I'm sure that you have answered this question before, but what is the standard military powder load for the .69 caliber US muskets?
@Real11BangBang Finally got my 1766 Charleville last week. Got the cruddy paint off the wood and I'm refinishing it. What's is the best way to refinish the bright steel so it looks like historically correct iron?
Did you do anything special to aid ignition. Touchhole liner? I was doing just fine til I ran out of Swiss. Not sure if swabbing the bore lighty when paper cartridges would get too tight, messed up my flawless ifnition or what. After seeing how breechplug is confiqured, I’m a tad concerned about the liner install.
we have installed touch hole liners on a couple with no trouble. most of them are just straight drilled though. most of the shooting we do is with our home made powder. it is not graphite coated like commercial powders so it ignites at a lower temp which leads to almost perfect ignition every time providing the touch hole is clear
Ok cool. I think mt trouble started when switching powders and swabbing fowling, which forced it back into the ‘funny’ breechplug. More testing soon as I thaw.
I'm considering getting one of these, but not sure which one. I'm a tall fella at 6'1" and have a 14 1/2 trigger pull length. Once I tried an Indian made copy of the first American made infantry musket and I couldn't get my face down onto the cheek of the stock the way the stock was configured. I want one I can make my main shooter for fun and hunting. Any suggestions?
The thing to know about the musket is you have two sites even if you only have one on the gun. Your eyeball is sight number two You have to train yourself to put your eye in the same position every time your shoulder the musket. Most of the times you got to hold your face a little high on the stock. Start out at 10 yards and move out until you're confident out to 100
Again the snobbery in the gun world is amazing and it is just like the Hi Point pistol are just no good and most who say that have never even held one. My .58 caliber double barrel flintlock is not from Military Heritage but from another importer but if you get it out it will get all the attention!
Have you ever had one of these where there was a small gap between the frizzen and the pan while it was closed? Is there anything you'd recommend doing in that case?
if it is very bad dont drill the touch hole and send it back. if touch hole is already drilled just get a good file and fit it. but i would try shooting it first so long as you are not loosing powder then it should be fine
Reenactors, other reenactors, is the reason I quit reenacting with groups . They are one of the most illicit embarrassing J. A. people you will ever meet. I do by myself, private type discussion with schools and historical societies. If there is to be some other(s) formal reenacting group there or to be included , I will not participate. It's either their way and no other way ever existed. Yes I've seen the groups just shame a person for something or the other. To which I've defended the person(s) being shamed by a shamer(s) to present their info on the spot. Yes rational discussions but not right in front of the public grand standing know it all abusive pounding... no.
I feel the temptation to enlarge my black powder collection is growing. Gonna need a bigger gun safe soon I guess. Lol And BTW Merry Christmas from Quebec to you all!
In My line of work there is a high standard of excellence that is expected and demanded. In General Engineering We also have inspectors and if things are not up to standards and We don’t make it right for the customer We can Be fined for delays in completion or have Our license Revoked by the State Contractors license Board. Maybe the reason why the Indian’s in day’s of old were given better guns from the get go was because if a guy tried to screw them over He would wind up scalped , skinned alive and watching His skin draped over a frame leaving on a terrified horse. If I buy a old used fixer upper car that needs work , that is understood . Imagine buying a new car and leaving the lot without brakes and a stuck throttle . This new muzzleloader stuff is good subject matter for a You Might Be A Redneck act . Like , If You Buy a brand new gun made by imbeciles You Might Be A Redneck. Or the gun might be made in China and marketed under a U.S. label. In Fact I do have Chinese Moisen and SKS with more moving parts that I picked up for $50.00 and $75.00 respectively and shot well right out of the box no issues. Can We Imagine a Chinese Manufacturer Grinning and with a voice like Richard Loo in Purple Hearts saying “ what do You think now of Your illustrious American and Italian Gun makers after We have made better Guns than they and taken away their clientele?”
Just curious do you run just powder only or do you have a real charge. IE powder and ball or shot? Thanks Couldn't agree more about the attitude of the blackpowder "community". As a rule, what a bunch ofKnow it all, nit picking, bas(there parents were not married)... I've been hunting and shooting traditional M.L. for 40+ years. After less than two years being involved with the "community" I was out. Been thinking about a smooth bore flinter for hunting, thus do you use shot question again thanks.
The big thing people might miss is that the pedersolis need work too, at about $1000 more.
Can we get a video of you going over the refinishing of these indian muskets..?
Your muskets and pistols are beautiful.
Massasagua rattlesnakes are the Bill Brazelton of the Wood's clan.
Yes they are first Garrett got bit by one then Noah got bit by one but I haven't yet...
knock on wood
Great video, enjoyed seeing your collection, Merry Christmas. Keep safe and your eyes on the horizon.
Thank you! Will do!
I bought about a year ago a 1795 Springfield because of your channel. I love this musket. I did refinish the stock and all the hardware including the barrel. It now looks like a museum piece.
very good hope she gives you years of joy
Thank you! Loved the reviews and info. 👍
I know several reenactors that have these muskets and they fire them often at the different events. I have a brown Bess that I absolutely love as well so they they great. About to order a Brunswick from IMA for my collection that would fit nicely with the others 😁
Robert the owner is extremely knowledgeable in his field of work he is honest and very helpful.
Yes he is and he offers the absolute best customer service I've ever had anywhere.
This by far the best endorsement for the Indian Made Muskets, and I own one and will more than likely purchase another. I am waiting on Military Heritage to restock their inventory. And yes, I want a 1766 Charleville. So, I'm a little jealous. Good Video.
cool overview! *LIKED*
Thanks a lot!
Great insights on these muskets. Thank you !
Thanks for watching!
I bought a Pedersoli Queen Ann pistol a few years ago. The breech plug was too long extending up into the barrel so far it actually covered half of the touch hole. It was an easy fix, just drilled a slight channel into the face of the breech plug thought the touch hole. So paying " top dollar" for one of those Italian production guns is not a guarantee of quality.
I purchased the 1733French pistol from Military Heritage after watching the video on the gun by this channel. Fit , finish ,and wood are excellent.
Spoke to Robert at Military Heritage and he's a great guy! Awesome customer service!
What kind of irks me is that somebody like Pedersoli make very high quality muskets however they couldn't seem to put a screw on barrel on their Queen Anne's pistol LOL
I had a Pedersoli Brown Bess, and the pan covered 2/3 of the touch hole. I had to do quite a bit of file work to make it functional. Also, the stock was sapwood, very soft walnut.
Too bad about your fusil. I did the same thing with my M1 carbine. I was out hunting coyotes and ran up against a Mojave green rattlesnake. He actually bit my pants but didn’t get me. I fired twice and missed then beat him to a pulp until my poor carbine was in multiple pieces.
Wow that's crazy. Thank god you had good pants to stop the bit
@@snappers_antique_firearms it was pure luck but I’ll take it just the same.
Well at least you killed your rattlesnake mine set there and watched me club at him with the fusil. Then Caleb fired 6 rounds at him with a 51 Navy and missed all of them. Then I slowly backed away and he slowly slithered away and then I noticed that my fusil stock was broken in half I didn't even kill rattler.
@@Real11BangBang that IS depressing!
Love these videos. And people are crazy. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thank you Same to you!
Thanks Ethan. Well done review. I own a Bess Military heritage. Mine came with a Muzzle socket bayonet. I bought it used. Oh and I also have a Blunderbus, you are 100% right about heavy (I estimate 25lbs) trigger. I own 2 other flinters (3 till tomorrow; ask Garrett :) You are right about the finish on them. and yes the Ramrods are crap. I am saving up in the hopes a real older one shows up here on the auction market.... Happy Holidays to all the Woods.
Happy holidays to you too!!!
Thanks for sharing the first hand, behind the gun experience you've had with these. It's amazing how many people swear how bad they are having never even firing one. I was just hammered by a fella on my vid stating "You should hang it on the wall and not shoot it". Well, I took the Chiefs Trade Gun out yesterday and put another 25 rounds through it w/o incident..... I really like your Charleville. Looks really nice. Mine is OK but the bands don't fit like I'd like them to. Love watching you guys have fun with them though and prove all the "nay sayers" incorrect. Keep up the great work.
thankyou very much
Thanks for the honest reviews. I've been considering purchasing a Charleville from Military Heritage.
i would say go for it.
I think I got lucky on my Fusil de Chasse, the wood seems solid all the way down. Finish of metal and inletting looks good to me.......will shoot it till the finish is ugly then do a make over. I bought it on your review of the Military heritage guns. So i knew what I was getting into. I have never been able to afford the "good guns" but I have learned to buy in budget and upgrade/improve to my needs on all different kinds of guns. Appreciate 11BangBang for your honest reviews and efforts spend on the videos. I watch as much of them as I can.
thank you for watching
I forgot to mention, the fit on the inletting is outstanding.
I recall when I first got into this, everything said about Indian, used to be said about Perdisoli
lol good point
Thank you for your honest and accurate reviews based on your real world experience. God bless you.
Thank You!!!
I am glad people hate India made muskets. It keeps demand and price low. I have two of them and I love them and I plan to buy more. While the experts are busy pontificating, I will be out shooting. BTY, I love your content! Keep up the good work.
lol you make a very good point
They seem to be a decent affordable way to get into flintlock's.
Yes sir they are they got me into Flintlocks and I haven't looked back.
Fantastic video and great information thank you
Glad it was helpful!
I thought your presentation was great. Not too long at all. I found this video because I am researching the different makers for these long guns. ( I really enjoy antique and vintage firearms, and want a Charleville I can feel comfortable actually shooting ) - Oh, and I too am a former Grunt. You have earned my subscription. Cheers.
Thanks! Great Review. I bought an India Made 1842 Springfield (Palmetto) from Veteran Arms. Works great, except for the shooter (LOL). Looking to get a Brown Bess from Military Heritage!
just a thought, you could make a really cool canoe gun out of that French fusi. shorten the barrel to 26"s some brass tacks rawhide around the wrist a little antiquing. and it will be a pleasure to shoot. 60 grains 2 ff and .600 rb 10 thou. patch.
We have discussed that we may have to try it
Just thought I'd give you an update...
it's happening
26:52 for the best military Heritage musket
Great videos. Liked and subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Long-winded just means more for me to enjoy thanks
lol thank you
Aren't you busy working on a farm right now Garrett
I also bought a LLP from MH and my only knitpicks are easy fixes, that shellac is balls, the high polish grit on the barrel and lock and lockplate, and thats all. After proofing her with 200grs of ff2 and Ive ran nothing but 80grs out of her since. No issues other then normal flintlock mundane issues like missfires, high fires, flints quitting on me etc. Id say their worth it. Their perfect for beginners and enthusiast's who want to learn the art of making a flintlock run like a clock, and yes they demand WAYYYY more attention than a modern firearm does.
Absolutely you nailed it
Thanks I’m learning a lot, being new to muzzleloading I am really enjoying your videos, none of the snooty crap either that I’ve seen from other videos, like you I’m not rich, and I have nothing against the Indian made guns.
I was watching a video yesterday with some guy saying that if you don’t have an American made expensive lock it isn’t worth spit!, of course I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it.😂
New subscriber here.
lol yes i know the video you are referring to. glad to have you
To me, my only gripe is "parts consistency". I discovered in the past that most the internal lock parts fit differently in some. Also i prefer walnut or maple stocks. The teak and beech wood stocks do look beautiful, but they are prone to fracture quicker and are more brittle than the standard norms. Otherwise As to the barrels....When it comes to anything ,like a 1853 Enfield or 1861 Springfield... I want a barrel with rifling. I realize that smoothbore barrels are easier to clean and all, but I'm a details nut and would like rifled barrels in anything post rev war era.
Man, you should really give your fusil de chasse a second chance. It didn't even get a fair shake
I have one and I think it's pretty sweet. I'd never want to change, or get rid of mine. I'd love to take a bunch of game with it, big and small.
Had to bring it out to enjoy its presence while watching haha.
Good vid.
oh there is nothing wrong with the fusil we love it lol unfortunately we just broke the stock. as soon as we can get a new one we will shoot it again
@@Real11BangBang Nice! Looking forward to it, and ya, my rod broke within the first 15 minutes lol
For a short time I owned an original gendarmerie flintlock pistol from around 1810. It was a decent calibre as far as I can remember.
And tiny!
Oooo i would have to say i like garrets trade rifle and your charleville a lot. If you wear threw the case hardening. Throw it in and small metal container put some ground up charcoal you would use for black powder down then put it in the middle and completely cover the hammer slash frison then seal it up so no oxygen can get in . Then throw it in a fire pit. Next day pull it out heat it red hit then dunk in a oil should put alot of case hardening back in it the longer it stays in the fire the more case hardening it'll have
goodpoint
Merry Christmas n' God bless and your family's.
Thank you same to you!!!
Thanks for the great video. Do you remember what stain you used when you re-finished your Charleville?? I’m looking to refinish my Military Heritage Charleville as well. Yours turned out great.
on the charleville no stain just lin seed oil
I have the veterans English trade gun reenacted with it for a year, believing all the hype that it was a little bit better than a pipe on then ran across the fella that hunts bears with his. He showed me his musket information that the pound Square inch generated on a really tight bucket ball load are the same with solid load And I had a load for turkeys where I wanted really hard the shot so I shot three times and then shot four times straight ball
Great review...I recently picked up two muskets, good deal for the money. I have wondered if spare parts are available from Military Heritage. On the other hand they are a pretty accurate reproduction so parts from any place would probably work with a little hand fitting
I have never attempted it but that's not saying it couldn't be done we might be trying something like that on the fusil de Chase
Re-en actor / living historian for over 20 years ,love my military heritage firearms . I have been gun smithing twice as long . I proof these with double charges and double ball, no problems .
Yes sir we proofed ours and they always pass with flying colors.
Long winded or not, i stayed for the whole video and enjoyed it. Subbed. I recently stumbled into or onto a blunderbuss at a pawn shop and took her home for 100 bucks. Started cleaning, disassembling and looking it over. Im thinking its shootable
Thanks for the sub!
I have five of the India guns Officer .62 cal , 1816 Springfield .69 cal, Blunderbus, Match lock with the trigger, .62 cal British Naval pistol, and they all work great and enjoyable to shoot.
I would have no problem paying an extra 100 bucks if they would upgrade the wood and the stain.
though the process 1) varnish stripper, 2) stain, 3) boiled linseed oil, then 4) Johnson Paste Wax described at 27:30 & 36:48 can be done for less than $100.00.
You can go to veteran arms, pay $200 extra, and get all that plus lock tuning and a warranty.
@@mkultraification Thank you
I was going to say the same thing
Super punky wood can often be repaired by running super thin CA glue into it.
Good to know!
It's funny,if these guns are pipe bombs,they sure are flying off the shelves.Loyalist Arms are four to six months behind.At the least.Not short on guns,short on help.Love the videos,keep'em coming.
thankyou very much yes its getting harder and harder to find these guns
You and your team are a great bunch pay no attention to the nay sayers the world is full of people that know everything. You guys obviously have a clue. I like how you test everything. I learned a lot from watching your videos.
Great video ! I think I’ve seen all your videos at least twice now. Is there a video on the double barrel shot gun? I would really like to see it in action.
not yet but soon
Excellent video really enjoyed it. I have a question though. I have come into possession of an original Barnet made Bess lock ( Nepal release 1803 dated) and am wondering if might be worth picking up one of these to give it a home. Seems like an easier path than trying to build an entire land pattern from parts catalog.
You know what I have an original Brown bess lock on an original Short land pattern albeit it is converted to percussion tomorrow morning I will take it off and compare it to a military heritage lock plate and see if they are the same measurements.
@@Real11BangBang thank you, I am thinking a late model short India might make a good "trade gun" type trapper thing ...for carting around in the bush...used with shot for small game and heavy balls once in a while for the big stuff
Where can I get a cocked hat like yours? It looks great.
this hat is from townsends
Thank you really for your videos as I'm new to flintlock. I really learn alot. On your Cherliville. Did you do something to remove the chrome on everything? If so how did you do it? Can you make a video discussing process..or did you do a video already
they are not chrome just polished steel. we just dull it with some sand paper
@11BangBang thank you what grit? Ate you going straight motion or circular? What did d you treat with or was that the beeswax you talked about. Thank you so very much
Nevermind I found your video :D
No rattlesnakes where I live but plenty of copperheads. Hate those little f***ers cause they don’t flee, they freeze. Real easy to step on one in low light.
Ooops sent before i finished, its marked st Etienne and there are all kinds of numbers and characters mostly under the woodline on the bottom. I think its an 1822. Still got a lot of research to do. The only thing it needs to be shootable is the nipple is nadly damaged and rusted to the breech. Not sure how to fix it but i believe i have caught the BP bug and i like it.
Hey Ethan, Got a good way to antique or de-shine a high polished steel on a musket? I want to chase a turkey and squirrels. I just want to make it alittle less shiny.
If you want to keep it a military look, you can just use some 220 grit sandpaper along the barrel until it takes on a duller look but if you want to make it look more like a civilian or a surplus gun You can brown it using Laurel mountain forge Browning solution
Ethan, I've been scratching my head trying to decide the way I want to do my flash hole and breechplug on my 77'. I already drilled a 1/16" where needed, and it fires but not very quick ignition. I pulled the plug last night and found that the threads run past the hole, so sparks have to go through both the barrel wall AND the breechplug wall to get fire. It's one of the plugs where the threads start a little over 3/16" from the base and then continue past the hole. Was yours like this?, and how is yours set up, because you get good ignition every time, so I'd like to do the same thing. Size of drill, etc...and what to do about the breechplug configuration....
G'Day,
I have an Indian Brown Bess that looks and shoots well. Much cheaper than the Italian made muskets. I've fired this musket with round ball, shot and blanks. Very reliable.
I have a couple of smooth bore Indian Enfield muskets-- a short cavalry carbine and a 3 band/"rifle". I've fired these with blanks as well as with small shot and round ball. Have you had any experience with these muskets?
Always enjoy your videos.
Cheers,
Steve
The "problems" you speak of aren't really uncommon. When the lock-downs started a few years ago my shooting interests expanded into an ever growing interest in all things black powder guns. I started with Uberti & Pietta revolvers. The first being an 1851 Colt Navy. It was pretty good out of the box. Big fun! So I added to the collection an 1848 Pocket, 1860 Army, 1860 Sheriff, '61 Navy, '62 Police, a Remington New Army and a Remington Revolving Carbine. The '51 Navy was okay out of the box but the rest of the Colt repro's were poor to literally non-functional. They all took substantial smithing but are now very nice. The hand slot was the biggest issue for all of them, and basic timing. The wedge of the 1848 would just fall out, hand fitted a new one. The arbor on the 1862 stuck out so far that the hammer couldn't reach a cap. Fixed all that then added SlixShot nipples...a must-do in in my opinion. The Remingtons were pretty good, mostly. I wanted to try a flinter so I ordered a Traditions .50 cal as an entry piece. I was very disappointed! The gap between the frizzen and the flash hole was every bit of 3/16th inch and offset by a full hole. It took a substantial rebuild to inlet and align the lock, stock & barrel. The rear sight was flopping loose too. The stock geometry, like the Remington Carbine, was awful. Fixed that too. So on and so on. That would have been $500 worth of very unhappy save that I have a thing for such projects. Point being, "better brands" vs. India pipe bombs!? No, not really. They will all take some work. For me, I have the skill, tools & inclination to tinker with them for fun. This isn't a new phenomenon, my early '90's vintage Ruger Old Army was good out of the box. A wee dressing made it great. Meanwhile, my '70's vintage ASM .31 Remington Pocket was woefully out of time. What am I getting at?...expect some issues. Much of the fun is getting them dialed in. 1911's, AR's, AK's, flinters & muskets, all different, all big fun! So, for most of you out there, figure your getting a kit with any brand. Take your time. Educate yourself. Gather the tools. You can do this. So now I'm chomping at the bit for a 1766 or 1795 and matching pistol...and a coach gun...and a .43 Spanish..and a....... Well, anyway, best wishes Y'all from a fellow Kansas guy.
yes we definitely look at these as kit guns when they come in.
I've heard that Traditions are sort of low end
Is the ramrod on the 1766 threaded? If so what thread is it?
at 29:53, the discussion about the hammer(aka frizzen) brings up a point, are there replacement frizzens available or would have to resort to homemade hardening?
Forgot to add that you sold me on an "MTS-006 Model 1777 French Infantry Musket - AN IX version", those are sweet looking muskets
i believe that hoffman reproductions gets parts for india made guns but im not sure where from.
Hey Ethan with your long land pattern have done any work on the lock. My main spring was making a small channel on the tumbler. I filed it out and tried to harden the tumbler , but i couldnt get to harden. I was just wondering if you've had this issue, thank you god bless.
To the long land pattern is one that I have not done any work on the lock too. It's actually been really good right out of the box but I would suggest getting some true spark from track of the wolf. Maybe polishing out that groove getting an oxyacetylene torch and heating that tumbler up to to a medium cherry red and add some carbon to it with the true spark let it cook into the tumbler for about 10 minutes and then quench in hot water
@@Real11BangBang Thank you for the advice. God bless you and thank you for the content.
What is your general consensus about their matchlock guns? I've been interested in the trigger models, not the bar trigger.
Their match lock guns are awesome. You might want to check out our Thanksgiving guns of the pilgrims video in which we shoot a military heritage match lock a lot
@@Real11BangBang I will be checking that video out now! Thanks for your recommendation!
Merry Christmas, Gents'! These guns definitely aren't Glocks (thank heavens for that!), so a little extra TLC does go a long way for shooting or collecting joy. I still love Ol' Char too, but once you get done w/that St. E, she will probably turn quite a few heads at the next dance.
oh yeah. thanks for watching!
😂 I was whinning about my jaw and/or old teeth aches to Wife one evening til I thunk about it. 🤔 Oh yeah, I did shoot the ol’ Char a bunch. I have to really lean into the buttstock to get my aim on.
I got realky frustrated after I ran out of Swiss. I just couldn’t seem to get pan flash thru to main after switching to Goex. Maybe from in-between bore swabs. I decided I needed a liner but man I really sorta screwed the pooch from never doing it before. 3 touchhole liner sizes later.. we’ll see.
haha yes she will rattle your teeth
Do you have an opinion on the 1816 Springfield? Think that's going to be my next purchase. I'm sure that you have answered this question before, but what is the standard military powder load for the .69 caliber US muskets?
we havent ever actually purchased that one
@Real11BangBang Finally got my 1766 Charleville last week. Got the cruddy paint off the wood and I'm refinishing it. What's is the best way to refinish the bright steel so it looks like historically correct iron?
Did you do anything special to aid ignition. Touchhole liner? I was doing just fine til I ran out of Swiss. Not sure if swabbing the bore lighty when paper cartridges would get too tight, messed up my flawless ifnition or what. After seeing how breechplug is confiqured, I’m a tad concerned about the liner install.
we have installed touch hole liners on a couple with no trouble. most of them are just straight drilled though. most of the shooting we do is with our home made powder. it is not graphite coated like commercial powders so it ignites at a lower temp which leads to almost perfect ignition every time providing the touch hole is clear
Ok cool. I think mt trouble started when switching powders and swabbing fowling, which forced it back into the ‘funny’ breechplug. More testing soon as I thaw.
I'm considering getting one of these, but not sure which one. I'm a tall fella at 6'1" and have a 14 1/2 trigger pull length. Once I tried an Indian made copy of the first American made infantry musket and I couldn't get my face down onto the cheek of the stock the way the stock was configured. I want one I can make my main shooter for fun and hunting. Any suggestions?
You're about the same size as Caleb and his favorite is the long land pattern Brown Bess he says that that one fits him the best.
@@Real11BangBang Thanks
Have you tried their Paget carbine and Baker rifle?
not the baker but we do have the pagent and we have 1 video on it
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year's to you too!
What’s your thoughts on shooting Damascus barrels?
The gun needs to be thoroughly inspected but I have shot Damascus barrel shotguns with the proper loadings
My favorite is brown bess
good to see you back sharps
So what size do you drill your touch holes?
start at 1/16th then if needed you can go up
So, fit and finish is kinda historically accurate,, a mixed bag of military procurement?? ;)
pretty much
Do u use a touch hole liner in all ur touch hole
only if we drill a little high or a little low
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Wanting to know how to sight a musket
The thing to know about the musket is you have two sites even if you only have one on the gun. Your eyeball is sight number two You have to train yourself to put your eye in the same position every time your shoulder the musket. Most of the times you got to hold your face a little high on the stock. Start out at 10 yards and move out until you're confident out to 100
Again the snobbery in the gun world is amazing and it is just like the Hi Point pistol are just no good and most who say that have never even held one. My .58 caliber double barrel flintlock is not from Military Heritage but from another importer but if you get it out it will get all the attention!
yes i absolutely hate the gate keeping that goes on
Townsend hat?
yes sir
Have you ever had one of these where there was a small gap between the frizzen and the pan while it was closed? Is there anything you'd recommend doing in that case?
if it is very bad dont drill the touch hole and send it back. if touch hole is already drilled just get a good file and fit it. but i would try shooting it first so long as you are not loosing powder then it should be fine
Reenactors, other reenactors, is the reason I quit reenacting with groups . They are one of the most illicit embarrassing J. A. people you will ever meet. I do by myself, private type discussion with schools and historical societies. If there is to be some other(s) formal reenacting group there or to be included , I will not participate. It's either their way and no other way ever existed.
Yes I've seen the groups just shame a person for something or the other. To which I've defended the person(s) being shamed by a shamer(s) to present their info on the spot.
Yes rational discussions but not right in front of the public grand standing know it all abusive pounding... no.
Why cant they make the guns to proper period dimensions? Everything is too clunky and heavy....not correct
if you watch to the end he will compare them to originals and as far as the military guns go tuey are pretty spot on
I feel the temptation to enlarge my black powder collection is growing. Gonna need a bigger gun safe soon I guess. Lol And BTW Merry Christmas from Quebec to you all!
How many times have you heard similar crap about ar 15s , psa versus the high dollar guys for example . Love the channel ! M. B.
lol alot
In My line of work there is a high standard of excellence that is expected and demanded. In General Engineering We also have inspectors and if things are not up to standards and We don’t make it right for the customer We can Be fined for delays in completion or have Our license Revoked by the State Contractors license Board. Maybe the reason why the Indian’s in day’s of old were given better guns from the get go was because if a guy tried to screw them over He would wind up scalped , skinned alive and watching His skin draped over a frame leaving on a terrified horse. If I buy a old used fixer upper car that needs work , that is understood . Imagine buying a new car and leaving the lot without brakes and a stuck throttle . This new muzzleloader stuff is good subject matter for a You Might Be A Redneck act . Like , If You Buy a brand new gun made by imbeciles You Might Be A Redneck. Or the gun might be made in China and marketed under a U.S. label. In Fact I do have Chinese Moisen and SKS with more moving parts that I picked up for $50.00 and $75.00 respectively and shot well right out of the box no issues. Can We Imagine a Chinese Manufacturer Grinning and with a voice like Richard Loo in Purple Hearts saying “ what do You think now of Your illustrious American and Italian Gun makers after We have made better Guns than they and taken away their clientele?”
Just curious do you run just powder only or do you have a real charge. IE powder and ball or shot? Thanks
Couldn't agree more about the attitude of the blackpowder "community". As a rule, what a bunch ofKnow it all, nit picking, bas(there parents were not married)... I've been hunting and shooting traditional M.L. for 40+ years. After less than two years being involved with the "community" I was out. Been thinking about a smooth bore flinter for hunting, thus do you use shot question again thanks.
I run powder and ball and all sorts of other loads. I also load to the original specifications after I proof test the gun
Thank you@@Real11BangBang
You're welcome!