Panel 7: Is Kashmir the gateway of South Asia’s Peace Possibilities? Ishtiaq Ahmed & Hamid Bashani
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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Panel Seven: Is Kashmir the gateway of South Asia’s Peace Possibilities? #CSALF23Panelists: Ishtiaq Ahmed, Hamid Bashani - Moderator: Tahir Gora
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Hamid Bashani speaks with honesty and integrity.Very knowledgable and upfront
Missing Tarek Fatah sahab very much 🥹🥹🥹
yeah, aaj agar wo hote to is program me jaroor aate 🥺🥺😢
🙏🏻
Yes, we all miss him. He was true son of Ma Bharti
He was more brutal than Bashani sir. Bashani sir, is a gentleman and respects etiquette. But Tarek fatah is a fire brand... yes, I really miss him.
@@preethamkumar125 Legacy of Tarek Fatah will go on forever ♾️
As professor & Writer Ishtiaq ji is good but as a intellectual he is radical ! So choose wisely 🙏
Read between the lines. He doesn't mean well for Bharat.
Beware....
Barrister Bashani is straight and he doesn't mince words. He speaks real stuff.
Totally agree..
I don't think that professor is cunning but he has certain biases he wants to live with.This is his biggest problem.Barister saheb is more straight forward and honest.
Professor is urban jihadi .he always remind that Pakistan has atom bomb. He indirectly threaten india.
Agreed
Professor is either very innocent or very cunning... he wants a redundant border so that jihadis get a free access! But Bashani sir is spot on with his opinion.
Dr ishitak just wants peace but the Pakistani can't be trusted. Especially the ttp n Taliban n army. Can't change them
One should b practical. Pakistanis r deeply radicalised people. In India itself Muslims r not peaceful. How can u expect peace with radicaliised Pakistanis (Muslims)
Very cunning.
Professor is right on track I. E. jihad.. Aiming 72 hoors..
Probably ‘soft attack’ from ISI against Indian minds in disguise of an intellect who apparently rubbishes paki narrative but in disguises pushes the same agenda
Never ever bashani sahab has tried to score brownie points.i repeat never ever,he is the one of the best informed person in among India and Pakistan.
Few things become clear today among two giants. Bashani is legal background and understanding of International Law so he is more 👍👍👍 objective and global. Whereas in prof mind his school age hate based education with not only hate Kafirs but Shia etc. etc. has residual.
In fact, Ishtiyaq felt threatened by him.
Quite shocked with Professor’s personal attack on Barrister. Old buffoon has no tolerance at all. Massive dissappointment
@@ka-jx8lj Professor Istiaq may be sound with historical facts but his words smell of 'AL-Takkiya' [an officially accepted form of cheating in Islam with Kafirs thru any means including sweet talks]
@@markben5729Bhai uske DNA mai bhi Lahori Churan bhara hua hai.
Excellent detailing by Bashani Saheb as usual.
Once Dr Ishtiaq is countered he gets angry.
The point putforth by Dr. Ishtiaq is somehow peace is to be made, whereas Bashani Saheb says that peace is not possible as long as army is ruling pakistan
Always!
Not just army rule, the whole Hindu hating narrative has to be corrected before they even imagine peace with us
Peace is an impossibility without a de-radicalisation program that runs for 3 generations, i.e. 100-120 years atleast.
Hamid Bashani is very honest and he is really a self respected person. There are no question about LOC accepted as International Border....Kasmiri people should have their own point of view. We all should respeect that.
Hamid Bashani is very true and to be followed.
Hamid Bashani is an example of perfection with pure and total truth .
Convert and marry a Muslim, you'll find more good examples.
& Many interviews of Ishtiaq Ahmed reveal that the guy loves to praise himself😂
But he's a knowledgeable person..
Though he is knowledgeable but his heart is not fare he hates Sanatan
@@अजयकुमारशर्मा-ढ2स They may get out of Pakistan and may even get out of Islam, but hatred for polyatheist Hindus cannot get out of their hearts and minds.
Barrister Bashani sir is true intellectual and that is very clear in his speech.
Hamid Bashani is an intellectual. Very good points presented by him.
Pakistani intellectual are confused as well 😂😂.... And other side Sir Bashani is great 👍
When Hamid Bashani speak truth then some Pakistani & Jihadi mindset people provoked 😂
Yes, that's why we should boycott these Pakistani youtubers and intellectual like Ishtiaq Ahmed, Amara iftikhaar, Parvez Hoodboy.. they are Islamist radicals
Bashani sir we really proud of you sir your a very intelligent man bcoz u telling the real truth 🙏 we love you so much ❤
Hamid Bashani sir huge respect for you. ❤
Hamid Bashani saheb is a great person & knowledge discussion .Thanks .
Very well said Barister Bhasani. Your arguments are so great that no one can argue against them.
Mr. Bashani was so patient n calm.
Hamid bashani sir rocks....very sharp and speaks truth
Ishtiaq Ahmed hyper ho jate hai...jab koi usase little bit alag Fact produce karta hai... Ishtiaq have to learn a lot
Today I'm seeing a different professor. His solution is too vague and unimplementable. Bashani Sahab however, is very clear and unwavering in his outlook. He speaks like the son of Kashmir who wants justice done.
UN this session Mr. Bashaani is on a very sharp, straight line of thought process. Bharat aba pyar muhabbat se uba chukaa hai . Bharat kuchha nahi karegaa , jo karanaa hai vo pakistan ko .
Professor Istiaq may be sound with historical facts but his words smell of 'AL-Takkiya' [an officially accepted form of cheating in Islam with Kafirs thru any means including sweet talks]
Brave son of the soil Dr. Bashani. Clear and blunt truth.
Barrister Sahab ka hold subject par itna solid depth hai ki professor Sahab intolerance ho gaya 😂😂
Bashani Ji is spot on.
His example of Pakistan unilaterally abrogating 35 in GB in 1974 is worth remembering. The Indian Government had already used that example. Mr Bashani is worthy of respect, thanks to his honesty and his directness.
Dr Ahmed is a true academic, willing to defend the rigor of his research against all comers and critics! Sadly, his understanding of Bharat, which civilisationally is very removed from the Hobbesian ideas of the individual greed being the ruling principle of life. That is, btw, totally the Abrahamic conception of things.
20:00Salute to Hamid Bashani for destroying Professor Hypocrite in seconds
Half baked historian Dr.ishtiaq ahmed at its best cook and fry anything...
He is urban jihadi.he use Islamic doctrine like HUDHEBIYA,TAQQIYYA,KITMAN,TAWARIYA.
He is rather distorian instead of historian.
Hamid Bashani Ji I total agree with you while Prof Ishtiaq is artificial soft face of Mullahs for Gazwae hind
Buddha sacchai sae ukhar Gaya
Hamid Bashani - spoke his ❤️ heart. If POK goes with Pakistan - Next Afghanistan is sure!! Pakistan has no sympathy to Kashmiris because their wish is Gazwa hind, water and make it Sunni radical state.
No matter how hard Pakistanis try, no one can save Pakistan from destruction.
Since 1947 every Pakistani has been saying that Pakistan has talent.
But why not visible????
The talent begins with flat earth and sky is a lid. this is what their arab deen says.
You are watching Jehadi RUclipsrs like Sohaib 😊 they are earning money and laughing at us Indians. I have blocked each of them.
i LOVE YOU bARRISTER Hamid Bashani SIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yOU SPEAK THE TRUTH
इतका अहमद जलेबी कितनी भी बना ले आतंकी मुल्क का कोई बोर्डर नहीं खोलना चाहियेगा
ESI bat nhi pakistan mai bhi bade ache log rehate h lekin vha ka aam aadmi lagbhag her ek jihadi h lekin visa k sath log aane Jane chahiye agr halat normal ho to
ये सब वही J हादी मानसिकता वाले है कभी भी किसी पौरकी पर भरोसा मत करना भाई ये पीठ पर ही मारेगें। ये सिर्फ कुछ लाहौरी पंजाबियों की अमन की आशा है।
Pakistani mindset in professor remains alive. This often comes alive whenever he is sharing stage with another person. I watched him few times when he is intolerant to the opinion of other panelist.
Great discussion. Congratulations for successfully organizing it and thanks to the guests and panelists as well.
Hamid Bashani sahab 🙏🎩 hats off
Ishtiak sahab hamesha apne mtlb ka sach batate hain, ab is age me itne bhi munafiq nahi hona chahiye.. Shame on this mindset 👎👎👎
Totally agree with Bashani Saab! We are well aware of the typical Pakistani lies and deceit under the garb of peace and harmony.
I missed epic 'Dekhiy ji' from Bashani saab
Barister Hamid Bhashani has always presented deeply understood and judicially correct commentaries studded with facts and neutrality.
Hamid Bashani is absolutely unbiased and well articulate thie issues and gv a peace of mind to this Radical Grandfather from Sweden ....
I like professor a lot but today he was unnecessarily rude with Bashani........shocked
Careful wid professor
I wish professor was/is enthusiastic about preaching to his own people and government about stepping away from hatred towards India... It's easy to keep peddling this nonsense about "normal relations". Yeah he was outright rude with Mr Bashani
Very good and informative video. Truth has been stated and Pakistan's narrative about right of self determination has been exposed. Hamid Bashani saheb is absolutely correct in his analysis.
Well, Bashani saheb is a wonderful human being and Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed saheb also well learned person.
Respect to both as a person and their opinions.
M.R Bashani is right ✅️ ye doctor hamesha Pakistan kaa side le ke bate karte hai. Kuchdin pahele Bharat ko bahut chota karte the. Or abb Bharat kaa achha halat dekh ke abb India kaa friend banane ke liye hame all ready hame mitha dhamki de te hai. Haam bol chuke hame koi rista nahi chahete fir bhi ye hamr dar dikha ke rista banana chahete hai
Hamid badhani and Tahir Gora sahab has truly taken the baton forward from Tarek Singh Fatehi
Excellent discussion. We need more of such discussions.
Bashani sahab is dead honest on peace in real form. His argument is like a legal argument, neutral of emotions and pretention. Very few can understand the Kashmir issue better than him , because he is absolutely honest.
“Trying to score brownie points” Why are so bloody harsh Dr. Ishtiaq ? Why such a harsh reaction ? Have been watching Hamid Bashani for at least 10 years, always found him logical, sensible and factual. Dr. Isthtiaq you need to control your emotions. I was expecting an apology from a learned person like you sometime during the conversation after you puked that nonsense. I felt so sad watching a loud mouth accuse Hamid in such a manner. To quote Martin Luther “You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say”.
Pls be careful next time before you utter such senseless and absolute crap. Respect you for your books but this was a real low. It takes years to gain respect but seconds to loose. Pls don’t do this again. Keep it respectful.
Bashani sahib hats of to you and very sensible discussion.
Dr. Ishtiaq sahab you are very learned but you seem to get angry when your views are challenged. I have never seen Bashani sahab try and score brownie points. He does however share his views without hesitation. Bashani sahab is 100% correct on matters whether it is Pakistan pushing nuclear blackmail, or disintegration of Pakistan and emigration to Europe and its consequences or the impact of Pakistan’s bankruptcy on International economics. These arguments are threats.
Ishitiaq sahab you are needlessly bringing RSS into the mix. Bashani sahab is correct when he observes that peace will have to be sought by Pakistan unconditionally and proactively. Although I believe that peace will finally emerge unconditionally through irrelevance of Pakistan and withIndia lovingly but firmly ignoring the enfant terrible of the subcontinent - namely Pakistan - as India is doing presently.
I feel that intellectuals need to be honest and demonstrate integrity as Bashani sahab does. His logic, and intellectual integrity are unimpeachable. He is refreshing in getting to the core of the issues and being truthful without attempting to draw a false equivalence or trying to balance the narrative.
Tahir sahab you continue to amaze and inspire. Listening to Dr. Ishitiaq sahab, Bashani sahab and you is always informative.
Thank you.
Ye ishtiaq sahab bade chalu hain ..inki baatein aur maksad dono alag hai.....
Dr Ishtiaq saab is an another knowledgable gentleman who speaks the facts without any partiality . I respect him and salute him for his justifiable comments whenever he is asked to give .
Gif bless yo and all
Barrister Hamid bashani sir is very logical person.I really like his statement.becuse he is rational person.
I m With u Bishsani jee 🙏🇮🇳
Barrister bashani sir.....chhaa gaye..
Gora sahab bahat achha ki aap Istiaq Sahab aur Basani Sahab jaise diggaj Rajanitigyan ko bulake ham ko marg darsan karai isiliye aapko hardik dhanyabad . Jai Hind ❤️
Namaste bashani Saab..❤ from odisha, india
Istiaq Ahmed’s formula of making LOC the international border is a non starter. That train left the station when Musharraf launched Kargil. Now its all of Kashmir incl. Gilgit to be returned to India. That’s it. No ifs or buts or maybes.
Bhasani ne Professor ki le li,,,
Tareh Fatah saab was really a great , blunt , fearless and knowledgeable person
We all miss him . May god rest his soul in peace .
Hameed Bhashani saab is another person with the great knowledge about politics . He speaks truth and without fearing . He is never in one side and gives his frank and true comments
God bless Hamid Bhashani
Bashani sir is a pleasure listening to. He talks on fact always. I agree with him completely.
No Aman is possible, Till the time two nation theory alive. It’s final no need too much discussion.
I HAD GREAT RESPECT FOR THE PROFESSOR , TILL I WATCHED HIS BIAS WHILE REPONDING TO INDIAN AND PAKISTANI U TUBERS.
HIS VISIT TO INDIA JUST AFTER HIS VISIT TO PAKISTAN THEN CREATED DOUBTS.
Proffessor saab ka Andar doosra Aadmi hain, pahchanna bahooth muskil hain.
I always knew that all these so-called Pakistan-centric discussions, by those who have Pakistan's welfare in mind, would be skewed in terms of the viewpoints of the speakers, except for the occasional panelist who speaks matter-of-factly. I had no doubt that Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is a true patriot at heart, desiring his country to surpass India in various walks of life and fields, even though he reluctantly acknowledges India's achievements since independence. I could easily discern in his mind that, deep in his heart, he wishes for Pakistan to excel in every area. When that doesn't happen, he becomes easily frustrated, and this frustration is evident in every word he utters.
So, it is time for Indians to shed any emotions they may harbor for the kind words spoken about India by Pakistani thinkers, analysts, or anyone of note and realize that these words may not truly reflect their inner sentiments. Lastly, simply obsessing over Pakistan won't do any good for Indians. They should examine these Pakistani viewpoints from a dispassionate vantage point to gain a more accurate understanding.
Bashaniy sahab talking about the real truth and truth is always painful, other side Mr. istiyak is talking in the paramitor of Indian dhakosala secularism, indian dhakosala secularism means to opress to hindu community.
The professor is in Lala land and doesn't want to know or concile the reality. Bashani sir is spot on.
Mr prof. Why every Pakistani tell lie in front of cameras
Great event Gora saheb
Truthful discussion
Always a pleasure to listen to these gentlemen. A fan of Bashani sahab.
Vasani Sir is very practical and clear in his thought.
Hamid bashani sahab is a gem of a person on the spot and true thinking
Just yesterday we lost 3 highly decorated soldiers and a highly faithful kent.
These people are talking of peace.
We don't want any porous borders
*TBH we don't want any tezarat or trade we also don't want people to people contact with pakistan , no one is talking about the elephant in the room which is islam , though they have the same DNA but they are different from us, let the situation to be remain in status quo and let all the discussion should happen in 3 rd country , we don't want pakistan to become properous from our hard earned money, we want comedy which happens on a daily basis in Banana islamia republic of pakistan* ...
Thanks
I like Bashani Sahab
Hamid Bashani has never disappointed intellectual thirst of honest minds. May you have good health and happiness
Hello Mr. Gora👋, with all due respected Sirs, I just want to know from Prof. Ishtiaq, what does he mean by saying "repeatedly from every PLATFORM that "WHY DON'T INDIA 🇮🇳
HAVE RELATIONSHIP LIKE EUROPE 🇪🇺? My dear Sir, their was a conflict in EUROPE 🇪🇺 and it solved? Why? Because they had problems within themselves on the same RELIGION? Whereas India🇮🇳 has problems with pakistan's🇵🇰 TWO NATION THEORY?
Why don't Prof. Ishtiaq understand this SIMPLE LOGIC? EUROPE 🇪🇺 has nothing to compare with INDIA'S 🇮🇳problems. (2 ) Problem is PAKISTAN 🇵🇰? THANKS ❤️ AND JAI HIND ❤️ 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
I believe that attack on anywhere in Kashmir taken as attack on Delhi or Mumbai or any territory of India and dealt according to that
Dr Ishtiaq can not take criticism or disagreement. Dr. Sahib, while trying to be humble, is an egotistical person who craves admiration and blind followers
Barrister Hamid bashani argument was not against ishtiaq sir but it was against pak foreign policy itself, Dr. Ishtiaq couldn't hear the truth that's why he was so disrespectful against Hamid bashani. Trade & Aman cannot happen until Pakistan stops propogating terrorism. Period.
Everyone spare a moment of thought for great Indian Tarek Fatah Saheb 🙏🏼
Ishtiaq Ahmed KABROUN ki baat kar raha hai, (I'm a senior citizen of Punjab India 🇮🇳)
"MURDAA BOULEYE KAFFAN FAADEY, "
Eh Banda kidda vadde Secularism di Drama-baazi kar lavey, but Eh banda ikk Educated but KATTAD Moulvi/Moulana da Sudhria Roop hega, I will say, "HE IS A GREEN SANAKE 🐍 IN GREEN GRASS.
HAMID BASHANI JI is a GEM 💎 For Complete J&K (before 1947-48 & INDIANS 🇮🇳 )Jarurat se Jayada Imaandaar, Saccha, Intellectual, J&K, POK-GB ke Jaankaar, Fully Secular, Insaan hain,
Ishtiaq Ahmad is making jalebis as usual 😂😂😂😂
Bashani Saab has such clarity on the whole issue 🙌🙏🙏 real honest!!
Sir aap sab three person bhut intelligent hai dil kush ho gia aap sab tienu ko deakh ker
Bashani saab is practical man a pragmatic man ....... "ABHI KONSA PURRAMAN HAATHO ME HAIN"........EPIC LINE
Very nice ,❤
Ishtiaq Sir on pojk & GB. Be assured sir in coming future every inch of Kashmir will come to India. This is what is common Indian thinks.
Bhashani Sahab! Please keep up your health.
According to TWO NATIONS THEORY, all Muslim should migrate to Pakistan, but few migrated. A referendum must be held in India to ask 85% Hindus, Sikhs and Christians whether 15% Muslim should stay in India. After this, a referendum should be held in jammu and kashmir to ask from 70% Muslim whether 30% Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhist should stay in jammu and kashmir. India can get rid of 15% Muslim who orchestrated vivisection and blood baths of 1947.
Definitely
This point had to be raised at the time of partition.
90% of Indian muslims wanted a Pakistan, but only 2% went to Pakistan, 88% muslims who were supporting Pakistan, still remains in India.
Our forefathers have doomed us.
Live with this fact and deal with 88% Pakistan minded Indian Mullas.
You cant do much now, but to stop this disease from further spreading.
Two great Pakistani are exposing Pakistan, never saw Indians exposing Pakistan this way ❤
This Dr is example of lahori churan (Dr ishtiaq larori churan ) 👌
Badhani sahb is such a rational thinker I have lots of respect for him.
Whole Kashmir including Gilgit Baltistan legally belongs to India because of accession treaty signed by Maharaja Hari Singh in 1947.
Independent Kashmir is not viable as shown in 1947 when Maharaja Hari Singh wanted to remain independent but Pakistan attacked it.
By looking at current situation, nobody wants to live in Pakistan as you can see the exodus of the people who can managed get out and I don’t think POK and GB people want to live with them either. Sooner or later POK and GB will join India.
Look at How the fake Dr was called out. He is one trick pony. You can't believe he wants trade - open border 😡. Just look what happened 1 day ago....The question is why doesn't he go and push (have dialogue which he wants...) with failed state AKA pakistan to change. He is arguing about Religious Cleansing vs Genocide......On the other hand , Mr Bashani as always is spot on and I respect his knowledge and presentation.
Nice discussion ❤️
Honesty of TAG TV team is highly appreciated. thank you TAG TV
Professor is noble idealist not knowing todays realities and Pakistan's mischiefs .
Very good Debet