Remember when the Sharingan and the Byakugan were supposed to be roughly equal in power and it was even stated the Byakugan was stronger? Good times. Good times.
Yeah I liked that and it made sense that the hyuga were so protective of their eyes but then the sharingans are just thrown around and then we learn they can let you come back from the dead and control the tailed beasts
Well, Kakashi meant "stronger" as in visual clarity, but I do get what you mean. Both the Bykugan and Sharingan can see chakra, but the Byakugan takes it further by showing the chakra points, organs and veins, plus you can see through them and far distances, but I do get what you mean. Kishimoto tried to balance it back out by creating the Tenseigan, but that failed due to the fact that no Hyuga can awaken it...at least not yet (Hopefully).
@@Mangaka-Knight Well a Hyuga with a Tenseigan is most likely never gonna happen since it was stated that the only way it could be achieved is if the Byakugan of a Hyuga is transplanted into an Otsutsuki, with only the implication of a second scenario where the Otsutsuki's natural eyes were able to evolve after a certain point into a Tenseigan (with Hamura being that implied scenario).
Personally - like a lot of the audience - I thought the Sharigan was pretty cool for much of Naruto. Back then the Byakugan was set up as kind of rivalling it, and Rock Lee besting Sasuke during the Chunin Exam arc highlighted the kind of limitations the Sharingan could have. Then Shippuden came and Kishimoto just kept giving it more and more powers -- rewriting reality, altering people's entire personalities, omnipotent genjutsu with no counters. It felt very... Mary Sue-ish at that point, especially with the plot being almost entirely consumed by Uchiha.
It's one of the reasons that I love the original serious, but never got into the two follow up ones. As our characters became closer and closer to god level, the story became less and less interesting. I would just like to point out that none of the problems in this video are from the original series.
Yeah, the Uchiha takeover was what made me leave tbh. And then, even that was inconsistent. Once I started hearing crazy shit like Sharingan users were somehow on par with mfs with Rinnegan, I was like yeah.
Yeah, Kishimoto became hyperfixated on Sasuke throughout Part 2 along with the Uchiha Clan and their powers. It continues on in Boruto where Sasuke is basically raising Naruto's kid and Boruto has become an Uchiha in all but name.
At the very least, the Susanoo should have been a Byakugan/Hyuuga jutsu. It would have been the next logical step to the Hyuuga's ability to expel chakra from all their pores and control it. Its properties don't fit the Sharingan at all.
I mean... What is Hinata's Twin Tigers if not basically a Susanoo lite? The "armor of chakra" thing was clearly a power up for the Hyuugas at the point Kishimoto made that jutsu... but them Sasuke got it on the final draft.
It was supposed to be Itachi exclusive as he's the Japanese Folklore guy which all of his attacks are based on But then the editors really liked the form and didn't want to waste it thus the retcons and overused status later on
My head cannon is that the two eyes have the same powers, or powers of similar levels, but most of these techniques were discovered by branch family members and because of how oppressive the main family is, they would kill any branch Hyuga that showed any abilities they couldn’t understand or explain.
Weirdest part of the whole eye thing was how they popped them in and out of their sockets like there isn't a whole lot of severed and damaged nerves that would need to heal for the eye to.. you know.. work..
@@rapidcougar3785 They did after the war arc. Madara cut off a limb and attached it to his own, and put in the eye inside the socket all in less than 3 seconds lol.
The limitations of the Sharingan are what made it interesting, just like any ninja ability in the story. Having it constantly evolve to let the Uchiha do whatever Kishimoto needed them to led it to be ultimately meaningless as an in-universe power, since it had essentially no rules or real weaknesses, and turned it into another clumsy plot device.
"EMS dosnt work by swapping eyes, it works by melding eyes" Uhm, hes mixing-up 'How it definetly, absolutely definetly hsould have been' and 'how it is' I know so specifically cause this and the sillyness of the fact Sasukes original eyes 'apparently' are lying in some random caves till this day, is a big Pet-Peeve i have
@@slevinchannel7589 this is true, was watching some live tea ta yesterday and when sasuke deactivates the sharingan you see Itachi's pattern. They need to reintroduce sasukes og eyes man
Ehhhh, considering the mangekyou sharingan is rare even amongst uchiha’s and leads you to blindness, that’s an obvious weakness. Effectively the only way to counter being a glass cannon going blind is to find another mangekyou and infuse with your own. (Being an already rare eye) means doing so is even more rare. It just doesn’t seem like it cause the only 2 people to have achieved that happen to be key characters. The powers are pretty set in stone per person too. I don’t buy it
Way too op. It just did whatever the plot needed. I remember when Obito used Kamui to teleport from the afterlife and somehow give Kakashi the sharingan I said out loud “Wtf did I just watch?”
If I’m not mistaken the after life is another dimension & kamui is stated to be it’s own dimension that can link to others. That’s how obito got sasuke back it just takes an ungodly amount of chakra, also he intercepted kaguya as amanojikara the same way
@@zaydskyzThat may be a good explanation but that doesn’t mean it isn’t stil offensively op. I mean come on, literally the ability to teleport from the afterlife? 😂 And it’s just an ms ability. It’s not like it’s a shinjutsu or a rinnesharingan ability. It literally out performed Kaguya’s portals. Compare this ability to every other ms ability. Amaterasu which almost never works. Kotoamatsu Kami which apparently has a huge cooldown. Tsukuyomi which is pretty powerful but also has drawbacks. Shin’s ability to move weapons which is pretty strong but nowhere near as powerful as Kamui. To be fair Obito was enhanced by Hashirama cells and then six paths power but still it’s op. So op they had to split the ability between two eyes. And when those two eyes came together they were able to beat up Kaguya. 😂
My question was, "Why/how did Obito know that he could just do that?" Like, he just died, yet he knew he could transfer his chakra spirit over immediately afterward.
The worst thing Kishi did was making the Rinnegan evolution of the Sharingan. It ruined the character of Nagato for me. Kishi had to make it somehow related to the Uchihas. It couldn't remain its own thing unique to Nagato and the Sage of Six Paths.
I beg to differ since it was always narrated that madara gave nagato is eyes like literally after naruto beat pain it was never a thing as you guys assume and it makes more sense story wise
@@daishaunholmes2298 It was never narrated that Madara gave Nagato his eyes until literally after Nagato was removed from the story. It was an obvious retcon because absolutely nowhere does anyone even go anywhere close to Nagato in usage of the Rinnegan.
@@MysticalArcaneactually Obito/ as Madara said that he gave the eyes to Nagato. Which was during his fight with Konan, which was right after nagato died.
The Sharingan was tool as it was first presented, as a tool in a ninja's toolbelt. It was great to see Kakashi use it and pay the price. It was cool to see Sasuke awaken and refine his. It lost all of its appeal to me when they ignored its more "mundane" abilities like mapping chakra systems, deciphering jutsu for later use, and genjutsu amplification and just made it the equivalent of the Sword of Omens from "Thundercats." Kishimoto has said himself that he got way too into the Uchihas and I fully believe that that obsession is what fueled a technique that was supposed to be "weaker than the Byakugan" ending up the equivalent of the Spirit Bomb from DBZ.
the greatest fucking irony there is originally he got bored of Sasuke and didn't like him anymore around the fucking Sasuke retrieval art but the fanbase pressured him to do more with Sasuke lmao...i guess the fanbase really reaped what they sowed...
@@Pokemaster-wg9gxlol I read " raped " instead 😂 but damn I didn't know that 🤔 he should've focused on neji , he was ALOT better than sus'ke in everyway from the beginning .
I think everything up until the 3 tomoe was pretty perfect: cool genjutsu, pre cognition, slight boost in power, jitsu copying. It's strong but not godlike. The MS is fine too since it's a (theoretically) rare power up. It was very strong but had a high cost. But the EMS, Susano and everything beyond was too much imo
@Lee-km7qq but you also forget the byakugon is literally the eyes of the otsutsuki but can't even get a single power up despite it being there main eyes not the sharingan
Slight boost on power? Bro it was an immediate and dramatic boost. Sasuke was able to keep up with and fight one tail naruto and eventually faster than 4 tails naruto with just the 3 tomoe lol. He could do all these things instantly too
My personal issue with the Sharingan is how over-used it is. It started out as just an eye that could copy Jutsu, predict opponents moves and, to a limited extend, cast Genjutsu. Powerful, sure, but still limited. Now it can evolve to a second level, giving access to broken, overpowered abilities like summoning a giant chakra warrior, create flames immune to water, teleport around the world and even brainwash entire nations. It was getting way too ridiculous, and all the other Dojutsus, like the Byakugan and the Rinnegan, where basically just cast aside, especially when it was also revealed that the Sharingan can turn into a Rinnegan. I prefer the Sharingan as it was originally introduced.
Even the Mangekyo was fine, and the eternal one to an extent imo, there are just a few OP abilities. I'd say scrap Sussanno entirely, its just too much even though its cool. Also gotta keep the Mangekyou abilities down to Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu level. They are OP, but they are chakra intensive and won't win you a battle outright against an opponent that clearly outclasses you. Abilities like Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are too much.
The weirdest part was that the Rinnegan somehow lost the abilities the "lesser" eye aka Sharingan had. And the Byakugan was done so dirty. If you give one an evolutionnthey should have done the same here.
@@Nyualum21 I'd even be fine with half Sussannoos on Sasukes or Shisuis level. They can help against Bijuu but only Itachi randomly got comepletely broken weapons. It drains you alot as well and leads to blindness if used to much. So by scrapping EMS all op abilities come with a permanent cost. Making them emergency abilities, rather then go to i flex my power by birthright bs.
I always thought it was weird that the sharingan was introduced to us as the user having the ability to copy any jutsu and I could be wrong but it seems like kakashi was the only one doing that and even eventually stopped doing it 😂 I always wanted to use awakening in the video games and have access to the opponent’s jutsu lol
In The Broken Bond, Kakashi will use a random jutsu from another character when you use his sharingan ability. I never played the original clash of ninja, but from what I understand Kakashi with his sharingan will use a jutsu specific to his opponent.
@@Clouded-Logic yeah I know, I worded it as if I never played a game with that feature but those games are old and they only have that ability because we was introduced to the sharingan as a copy style. Newer games don’t do it no more. Clash of a ninja kakashi would copy the opponent’s whole fighting style which was fire.
@@ChefNarrative in that sense (to be fair) neither does kakashi. You don’t really see him copy jutsu in the series all that much. In fact he technically didn’t even copy jutsu with zabuza from what I understand. He actually used genjutsu to lead him to use techniques he already had copied/knew. That being said I don’t really remember the uchiha copying jutsu anyway. So you are right about that.
@@Clouded-Logic I see what you’re saying but it was introduced to us through kakashi and it was explained that ge can copy any jutsu BESIDES a kekkei Genkai so idk
Personally, I think that the Sharingan was Made stupid the MOMENT that the Mangyeko Came into the Picture, it completely Disregarded the ENTIRE Concept of the Ability... At the start of the Series, the Sharingan is presented to us as being "Completely Busted" because of the BASE abilities that it gives it's user: Perfect Perception of anything in their Line of sight, a Passive Genjutsu effect to anyone locking eyes with, and the ability to Instantly Copy any Standard Jutsu that you See... These 3 Abilities on their own Were Fun, they were Unique compared to the other characters in the series, and if used PROPERLY, were REALLY Freakishly Strong. The Sharingan didn't NEED Anything more than that, it was not Necessary to give it more abilities since those abilities ON THEIR OWN Give a MASSIVE potential for Growth for the Characters that have it. Case and Point, the Chidori is an Ability that in and of itself has NOTHING to do with the abilities the Sharingan gives, but that can't Be used without a Sharingan's Boosted Perception ability to compensate for how Chidori Blinds you. Chidori itself isn't a Sharingan ability, but the Sharingan is Required to use it. Why aren't there more abilities like this? Why aren't the Uchiha Making Jutsu that can ONLY be Properly Performed with a Sharingan, but that don't TECHNICALLY Require it to be Activated? That Right there is an Avenue of Gaining power that SHOULD have been Used for the Uchihas. The other thing they get is what Kakashi does, Copy EVERY Jutsu you come across to boost the Versatility of your Kit to an Absolute Monstrous Level, Being able to Pull a Hundred Different Powers out of nowhere is a HUGE advantage to Keep your Opponents off Guard, Combine that with the Perfect Perception and the Build in Genjutsu that Slows opponent's Reflexes and it becomes Deady! Consider that Sarutobi Hiruzen was considered the Strongest of the Hokages SOLELY Because he knew SO Many Jutsu, he didn't have a Special Bloodline power, he didn't have any particularly Unique Abilities, he just Knew ALL the Jutsu known to Konoha, and that's why he was considered the strongest Hokage... Someone with a Sharingan could Achieve that in a Fraction of the time it took Hiruzen to do it AND could learn Secret Jutsu from other villages at a Glance, If that isn't something you'd Consider Overpowered for the BASE Abilities of the Sharingan, then I don't know what does! Then there's the fact that of ALL the Advanced Sharingan Abilities that exist, the ONLY two that Makes ANY Sense as an Evolution of the Base abilitites, is Tsukiyomi and Izanami (Which for all intents and purposes basically do the same thing, it's just that Izanami is Self Sustaining until conditions are met). It's literally the ONLY Mangyeko Abilities that have ANY Relation to the 3 Base Abilities of the Sharingan, in this Case the Second one which is the Passive Genjutsu Effect. Seriously, think of ALL the other Sharingan Abilities and TRY to connect them to the Base Abilities of the Sharingan, it can't be Done! There IS no Connection! Amaterasu Creates a Black Flame that can't be Put out at EXACTLY the point where you're Looking at, Where's the fire ability of the Base Sharingan? Oh there isn't one, yes the Uchiha Clan Prides themselves on their fire Jutsu, but that's not related to the Sharingan! Kamui, Physically Opens a portal to a Pocket Dimension. I do NOT Remember that being part of the abilities of the base Sharingan, not even Hinted at in ANY facet of the Clan as a whole... Sussanoo: Creates an Armor and Weapons Made from pure Chakra that is Completely Impervious to Damage, Imitating the tailed Beast Mantle, which the Unchiha have NO Connections to... Izanagi: Reality Warping to Basically give yourself a 1Up...Where the Hell did REALITY Warping come from?!?? Oh and Let's not forget that Literally all the Mangyeko abilities, if they were used by someone who was Consistent in their storytelling and application of the abilities they create within their story, are ALL basically "I Win Buttons" that can't be Avoided... Which is a Baffling amount of Narrative non-sense... Not only is it stupid to give ANY character an "I win Button" (Nevermind SEVERAL), But then you have to take your Audience for Idiots for Believing that ANY fight that involves the characters that have those abilitites could EVER Loose against someone that doesn't have the SAME Abilities. And when you Put Two characters with "I Win Buttons" against each other, it becomes a Question of Who Draws First, Whoever Shoots First Wins, which is NOT at all Entertaining to Watch... -Tsukiyomi and Izanami, if you LOOK in the General direction of the user, you fall into a Genjutsu and by the time it's Done you are USELESS, either too Psychologically Scarred to be Able to move at which point they can just slit your Throat, or Your Entire world View and personality have Been Rewritten to whatever the User of the ability wants... And no, you can't Resist Either by ANY means... -Amaterasu: If you See a Person, they Catch on Fire, the Fire can't be put out until it's Completely Consumed whatever it's Burning(Aka the person that was targeted)... If it were Used as Described, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to Miss with, and the moment it hits, your Target Lost the fight, it's just a matter of time... In RPG Language, You get Hit with Damage over time Effect that CAN'T Be Removed No Matter what, and it just Automatically Hits you and you can't Resist it... After it hits, the User only needs to Evade long enough and they're Guaranteed a their Enemy will Die eventually... -Sussanoo: "I'm Immune to damage, lol. Oh I have giant unblockable Weapons"... that's kinda the Definition of an "I Win Button" - Kamui (If used by an Uchiha Cutting down the "Charge Time" ): One Just Deletes Whoever you're Looking at, locking them in a dimension they can never Escape that has no Food or Water, You're Dead within the Week, no Exceptions... The other makes it Impossible to Do any Damage to you since it Phases you out of Reality automatically when something WOULD Hurt you, Oh and it lets you teleport Faster than Minato "the Yellow flash" if you want to without the Need to place Knives as Location Markers before hand... -Izanagi (Again, if used by an Uchiha): Can Rewrite Reality so that "no Actually I didn't Die" For up to at LEAST 10 Minutes, Respawning yourself Behind your Opponent after they've Exhausted their chakra and are effectively Powerless, and if you're not polite about it, you don't even need to warn them about how you're about to backstab them after teleporting behind them, Effectively Guaranteeing a Kill... Long Story Short: Beyond the BASE abilities of the Sharingan, Everything about is INCREDIBLY Poorly thought out... It's Obvious why, Sasuke had it, and he is the Author's favorite Character, so he gave him ALL the OP Completely Busted Abilities he could think of...
I think the other reason is also because Sasuke is portrayed as villain so they just gave like villain like ability, like something popped up out of nowhere that is so beastly.
@@IMRTLDAN Care to Elaborate as to HOW I am Misconceiving things? Or is this just a Generic "I don't Agree, but I don't actually have anything to defend my opinion with, so I'll just say you're Wrong without Elaborating HOW" type of thing? I'm VERY Curious as to how you think Susaano (Solid Chakra Armor and Weapons), Amaterasu (Auto-Hit Fire that never goes out), Izanagi (Rewrite reality to Cheat Death) and Kamui (Move Stuff to another Dimension, Either on someone else to Effectively Auto-Kill them, or on yourself to Avoid Damage or to teleport) Relate to the BASE abilities of the Sharingan in ANY way, Which are enhanced Perception within your Line of Sight and Built in Genjustu.
In my opinion making the sharigan just able to do absolutely everything was just inconsistent and frustrating. Literally just became a get outta jail free card. Like allow the other eyes to be insane, or reduce how bonkers the sharingan is
the byakugan was so amazing was it was first introduced, i always felt like it deserved way way more credit, the way hinata was able to use her byakugan to see everything going on when pain attacked was cool too but it paled in comparison to the sharingan. the base byakugan should have been able to get way stronger as well
Why so? The people with sharingan was killed off by one of there own! So I’d say you’re talking about the elite sharingan users not the low level people who got killed off with the rest of clan. And they tied the sharingan back to sage of 6 paths. The OG god ninja.
I mean, I remember hearing in the light novel the byakugan allows one to counter/negate/cut through ninjutsu, which would be AWESOME. Sadly, not the case in the manga/anime.
in my opinion the sharingan should have mostly remained as its original conception with being able to copy jutsu and cast genjutsu. The mangekyo was cool as an evolved version of the sharingan but abilities like susanoo just blew the power scaling out of the water, especially when you get to perfect susanoo territory. I liked when it was a rival to the byakugan
For me, mangekyo was perfectly fine. It's when it became normalized that caused an issue. If you had the Ameterasu and Tsukuyomi be forbidden jutsu that blinded you and drained your chakra and life, then that's good. If you have the Susanoo be an absolute "If I'm dying regardless, I'm taking someone with me" justu that *will* kill the user similar to the 8 hidden gates, then that's fine. But everything after Mangekyo Sharingan was unnecessary. Itachi should've been the cap for Sharingan abilities. If anything, you could've had Madara the only Uchiha who used Susanoo and survived. Kamui is fine, if only because you can call it a technique limited to Obito and Kakashi.
Honestly, Susanoo ought to have been a really effective genjutsu. It literally _not being real_ and this being a huge family secret (oh it burns things? It's called fire techniques which we know the family uses a lot.) because that would fit in with what the sharingan is presented as. It would require clever work to keep the secret concealed and even play into everyone managing to dodge direct hits from it, because you don't _want_ to hit them with it until you've set up an _actual_ hit that it's covering for.
1-3 Tome, MS, EMS, Rinnegan(kind of), and 6 Tome Rinnegan in comparison to False/Semi SSJ, 1-4, God, Blue/Rose, Rage, and the various Legendary/Berserk variants of 1-4. So unless you count the various MS abilities as individual forms of the Sharingan Super Saiyan outnumbers them, but if you did you’d have to count all the other technique based variations of the various Saiyan transformations. But the fact that this is even close is still saying something.
The Sharingan was bearable when it was just “Extreme Perception” just the power to see tiny details and to have high reaction time. But from a writing standpoint it became a symbol of the writer making every nation other than the Leaf Village perpetually less and less important which ironically makes the world feel less and less important as more and more non-elemental KKG are being given as parts of Sharingan leaving one clan with lion share of ‘special powers’ that arnt just ‘element x + element y’ which ends up making the other nations feel hollow as the focus increasingly became ‘Behold the leaf village and its eternal reincarnating god battle’
Kishimoto obviously didnt plan out the different clans and dojitsus well enough. He had a picture of what he wanted them to be like but didnt execute it at all and just made up the power scales as he went
@@mredizon00 100% agree. funny how there was soo much uchiha lore for sasuke and yet for our main character naruto we still barely have any good grasp on the uzumaki clan except for tidbits
Which is why Naruto is complete trash. Badly written plotholes, where the only thing people like about it, is not the writing, but the shipping of characters, like Sasuke x Naruto, or the "Cool looking visual effects" Where they shut off their brains, and act no different than babies with dangling car keys. Literally. If something is "Visually cool enough" They will ignore all story issues and claim it to be the best thing ever. DBZ is an amazing example of this, where people love multiple fight scenes, but if you actually watch the fight, the people are doing the exact same 2-3 attacks in a loop for 5 minutes straight with one to two odd moves thrown in now and then.
My biggest issue with sharingan is the Byakugan. It was said to be inferior compared to it but some how it scales into oblivion and the latter is completely ignored. ONLY 2 sharingan users remained alive... but it's seen in most of Naruto ONLY 2 Byakugan users died.... but it's never really seen.
My headcanon is that the Hyuuga get to just make whatever propaganda claims they want about their own superiority now that the Uchiha are dead, plus the Hyuuga seem to be able to activate their bloodline much more consistently than the Uchiha. By the time of the lead up to the massacre, the Uchiha had like, what, 30% of the clan with the Sharingan? Compare that to basically every Hyuuga able to activate the Byakugan, and you can see a reason to believe that people might value the more consistent Bloodline more.
@@dr0g_Oakblood Not when just one of your Sharingan users can absolutely obliterate Byakugan users-all of them-if they wanted to. Which just kinda... maybe slightly... just a little... pisses me off. I mean, the Otsutsuki were demonstrated to have the ability to project energy from their Byakugan (Kaguya before she ate the Chakra Fruit, her sons, etcetra) which really wouldn't be very... far fetched for Hyuuga to do. Seeing what most Jonin get up to, a bit of energy projection and the spectral razors or whatever that Kaguya could do (and her sons used to defend against her Byakugan) could be useful. I mean, we see Sharingan users getting stuff like Amaterasu which is essentially a 'i look at it and it dies' power, which is a lot more difficult to protect against than 'I shoot crescents of compressed air or chakra from my eyes and slice up targets' but that's whatever.
Honestly my main issue with the sharingan is how its ridiculously powerful base ability of basically combat future sight isn't at all expanded on with the mangekyo abilities. There feels like absolutely no through line in abilities between base sharingan and mangekyo except for Tsukuyomi and the base sharingan genjutsu, which doesn't have a name and just generally feels extremely hand wavey in that "the sharingan genjutsu just kind of does whatever we need it to in the moment. Whether that be sleep, paralysis, mind control, sending information, hallucination, etc."
"EMS dosnt work by swapping eyes, it works by melding eyes" Uhm, hes mixing-up 'How it definetly, absolutely definetly hsould have been' and 'how it is' I know so specifically cause this and the sillyness of the fact Sasukes original eyes 'apparently' are lying in some random caves till this day, is a big Pet-Peeve i have !!
@slevinchannel7589 Yea I mean, they were supposedly doing eye transplants. I don't think they had a specific eye-melding medical procedure that they would also call a transplant. I think a more appropriate way of explaining this melding, is that it's not the eyes that are melded but the eye "powers" and characteristics with new wielder's optical chakra.
Going back 10 years or so, the general belief on many of the forums was that the sharingan was being inflated by the publisher influence. The way I always interpreted the sharingan was that it was an eye which could see high amounts of detail without needing to adjust focus and which was just faster in terms of reaction speed. That it allowed for some powerful genjutsu if you looked into it was a bit kooky, but eyes can be seen as captivating and a window into the soul, so, it worked. When it started getting weird was when it stopped being an advanced eye and started to become green rocks that allowed for invoking the gods. This seemed to be the influence of the publishers/editors, who initially wanted the sasuke/naruto rivalry and who thus wanted more sharingan merchandising deals. Narratively, you could basically replace Sasuke with Neji and you'd have a similar plot up through the chuunin arc with the b-line being actual interaction between Naruto and Hinata. This was an extremely obvious point to me when I was looking at the concept art for the series. Sasuke was not in the picture and both Hinata and Neji appeared. Sakura was not in the picture, either. The entire arc up to the chuunin exams, as Kishimoto envisioned it, was one where the rivalry was between Neji and Naruto. The editors really, really wanted a showdown between Naruto and Sasuke for that arc, but Kishimoto wrote Naruto swearing over Hinata's blood and beating the natural genius - restoring order to a troubled family. The fan service was the rest of the fluff that followed was fluff. Neji: a natural prodigy with a crazy set of eyes who is bitter toward his younger cousin because his father was executed over some political ordeal, there's a cursed mark to control him, and he believes his uncle was the one to orchestrate the death of his father. Sasuke: a child prodigy with crazy eyes who is bitter toward his brother for killing everyone in his clan and believes said brother orchestrated everything. O how similar those stories turn out. Hinata: a shy girl who feels inferior to both her younger sister and older cousin, timid, and unfit to assume the role as the eldest of the head family. Takes inspiration from Naruto's successes in rising up despite his status and standing. Sakura: supposedly a smart, aspiring young girl who is beautiful and wanted by all the guys, except sasuke, who ignores her. Generally exists as a reason to spark the rivalry between Sasuke and Naruto. Contrast the alternate universe storyline - rather than Naruto getting upset because Saukura keeps fawning after Sasuke, we get a storyline where Naruto takes notice of Hinata's lack of hatred for him. The various flashback scenes likely become core plot mechanics that push a bit of a romeo/juliet or lady&the tramp setup where Naruto takes note of and issue with Neji's treatment of Hinata and the rivalry sets off, to fully mature at the chuunin exams, where Hinata embraces Naruto's ethos and enrages Neji to the point of murder - which then gets our blood oath. Rather than a team of naruto-sasuke-sakura, we probably get naruto-kiba-hinata as a sort of force recon element where Naruto can be the blunt instrument. His shadow clone ability is also not that much different from shino's insects. Shino seems to exist in order to round out an otherwise well developed team chemistry. Kurenai is, also, overdeveloped relative to characters like Asuna. Kakashi as a guest trainer/assistant with Kurenai as the main team lead balances things back out. The wave arc plays out much the same, and the forest of death also plays out similarly - just with orochimaru after Hinata's eyes because she doesn't have the cursed seal. Thus putting the whole plot with Neji's father front and center. Rather than sasuke being captured, it is Hinata who must be rescued. Perhaps she does end up desiring power and goes with orochimaru - though that's a bit speculative. Thus, we have the setup for shipuuden. Although - that could have been the conclusion, Hinata is rescued, Naruto has become a hero who saved the pricess from orochimaru, and the family in turmoil is on the path to healing. Shipuuden could then be an alternate timeline where Hinata lusted after power - or perhaps her injury from Neji needs to be healed and Kabuto/Orochimaru plan to do that. However, the core plot of shipuuden revolves around the resurrection of an ancient god. Without all the distractions from the sharingan, we jump strate to the legend of kaguya and the fruit being the source of all ninjutsu and her son being the sage of six paths who sealed her and divided her power into the tailed beasts. The twist is that the uzumaki are the original shamanistic tribe skilled in the sealing arts who maintained the chakra tree and the sage of six paths was the son of kaguya and one of these tribesmen - which gives rise to the rinnegan. This is where Nagato comes from and his significance - a child between an uzumaki clan and hyuuga clan member. We merge obito and nagato's stories and arcs together to get most of the storyline we got. We get some amusing drama because the whole cloud nation ordeal that was central to the events of the chuunin arc come full circle in the defense of Bee. The power of the tailed beasts is collected and then we get "The Last" ... sort of - because Hinata is the chosen vessel to hold the resurrected goddess/power. Naruto saves the day, either by preventing Hinata being taken over by kaguya or by his relationship with Hinata subverting the whole idea - quelling the anger of the sealed goddess, or something.
I'm okay with a "weak" person just staying "weak": I think it can be very compelling that some people may have abilities in a world of superpowers just chose to be "normal" and live otherwise unassuming lives. It happens in life too, some people just choose to fizzle out and that's ok. My issue is how almost every single woman in the series is this. The one woman who doesn't date or get married in the Konoha 11 is Tenten, the least developed, least cared about, and probably the weakest character of the entire main cast.
I didn't even know that 🤔 an yea neji was NOT ONLY a better fighter than sus'ke but he had better use of his eyes aswell Sus'ke should've died instead of neji tbh 🤷
I personally liked the concept of the sharingan At least as portrayed initially in the first arc Where it was a trump card very heavy on chakra consumption that made user able to copy or slightly anticipate their opponents The fight with zabusa in particular We were fed the lore of the 3 ocular powers with the sharingan being ranked below the byakugan(they did not even had the whole seal to prevent theft) and a misterious 3rd power (the rinnegan) about which at the time we knew literally nothing The problem is that the sharingan kept ammaiante insane power up and perks Like controlling the tailed beast Then we were introduced with itachi with the awakened sharingan And from there pure insanity Amaterasu a unstoppable ranged black flame cast by vision Tsukuyomi a perfect illusory art Sudano a weird giant armour than make the user nearly invulnerable and greatly extend their attack power Perfect susanoo A skyscraper like giant armour with the power to go fight on equal terms with failed beast and able to cut mountains Izanami and izanagi Basically a reset button to cheat death or able to imprison your opponent in a loop At that point the only thing the sharingan could not do was preparing breakfast
Controlling tailed beasts wouldn't have been bad if it was an ability that required a large group of them to manage to put a tailed beast under genjutsu, and thus the reason the entire Uchiha were suspected of the 9 Tails attack was because Madara was the only Uchiha in known history to be able to control a tailed beast by himself.
I always understood that Obito's sharingan was close ranged (Not just personal) and Kakashi's is long ranged. Obito has taken other's into the dimension but doesn't have the long range capabilities as Kakashi. Meanwhile, Kakashi can do long range kamui but ALSO when he used it on himself to transfer out of the dimension he is seen putting his hand over his eye. If we think of Kakashi's kamui as a bullet going through the air teleporting what ever it hits, he simply hit his hand in front of his eye and extended it to his entire body. As for why he never went INTO the dimension before, up until the fight with Obito he has been using this ability to attempt to one-shot people. He might not have the knowledge that wherever it goes afterwards is safe until he was forced in there by Obito. As for how Kakashi can use a perfect susanoo without going through the other stages is I believe the susanoo has two requirements independent of eachother. 1. two eyes simultaneously in order to manifest one and 2. an experienced MS. Essentially while Obito couldn't manifest a susanoo with one eye, his MS still gained quite a bit of experience (Or matured) as Hashirama cells kept repairing it and he never got to a point of blindness where he could no longer advance it like Itachi. Therefore when throw both eyes into Kakashi with the maturity / experience Obito achieved with his MS you are left with Kakashi being able to bypass all levels to a perfect susanoo.
Agreed. My headcanon is that the long-range eye could always transfer the user to the Kamui dimension. Put yourself in Kakashi's shoes for a second. You have an ability that allows you to look at something and make it disappear forever. Why on god's green earth would you ever attempt to test that on your own body? That's like hitting yourself with a Rasengan to see what'd happen; yeah maybe you unlock a cool new skill but more likely you die
I like the first theory but the 2nd one not so much it’s pretty clear that Kakashi is not nearly as experienced as Obito with kamui, at best i think Kakashi should have been able to form a half susano like Itachis because of one experienced eye and one relatively low experience, like Kakashi wasn’t even starting to blind yet.
I get the feeling Kakashi just didn’t have the skill to use it for an entire body teleport at the time hense Mamui sniping body parts instead of entire ppl. At least until the war arc
@@Jinogazino kakashi had the perfect susanoo because it was cool to end like that, theres no reason in trying to explaining it... that being said, i believe that kakashi had as EMS, the explanation is quite simple: both his eyes (a previous mangekyou owner) and obito's eyes mended (just like we are told EMS is awakened) we can even uphold the "not needing to be currently with mangekyou eyes" part 9since kakashi wasnt) by some things showed in this video, like madara using susanoo with no eyes the "need for a close relative" part of the lore could be explained by chakra compatibilities, wich would fit in this case, since obito's chakra existed in kakashi's body for over half his life (in the mangekyou eye) and even after having it removed some could have left and the format of the eye, well, they mended both energy/chakra of two different persons, but the eye format was the same, there was nothing to change i know, its a headcannon where the "head" part is delucional
The Sharingan was good at the beginning but then everything began to go downhill after the Eternal Mangekyou was introduced, the Eternal version broke the balance of those eyes and the power scale rised up to the space. Powers in any media need to be balanced or else they become ridiculous to the point were the author can just make up whatever he wants and say "This was possible from the start, Don't like it? Though sh1+" and we can only take it even if is absurd, the Sharingan was great but then it became the equivalent of the games i played as a kid, games that were basically "There! i shot you with my finger gun and you´re dead" "Nuh uh, your bullet bounced into me because i'm Robocop", that's what the Sharingan became, just a plot device that worked however Kishimoto wanted so he could move the story forward.
Great comment. Good to see more Naruto fans identifying the issue. Thing is m.s. was already bad. Why zabuza. He states how sharingan works. It uses piercing perception. And hypnotic eye(obito says yin release) ... ok tsukiyomi... ya not bad it's hypnosis Amaterasu. ... is it 🤨 🤔 a illusion? Kamui? Susano? Ya... also It gave a wierd narrative to try and justify Sasuke leaving village. M.s. was the start
No, sharigan was great in early naruto, it was a usefull "power", but then kishimoto decided to ruin it and make it do everything to the point that Sasuke based all his fighting style around susanoo and amaterasu
Giving the deuterogonist an ocular power, whose rules and powers could be changed and used as a deu ex machina, was just one of the many problems of this manga, which I have a soft spot for. The other was to give us an expanded cast of characters, with interesting abilities, and then proceed to waste them spectacularly post time skip. The latter os hardly a naruto exclusive problem, but still.
From what i understand the Sharingan being totally OP was largely the editors who saw how popular it was and wanted it to be more focused on and expanded on.
The Based Sharingan is fine. It’s when you get the susanoo is and EMS, MS that ruined it. But I do like the concept where the Sharingan evolves and each individual gets its own abilities
I'd argue Ssusanno should've been the cap. Basic Sharingan is fine. Meanwhile, Mangekyou Sharingan is a very rare transformation. Using it quickly weakens your vision to blindness. Ameterasu and Tsukuyomi are abilities that focus on Uchiha's fire release and the Sharingan's use of hypnotism and genjutsu. The Ssusanno, however, is the final ace in the hole, manifesting the user's entire chakra into a Goliath armor to fight with until it burns up. This would kill the user and act as the Uchiha's variation of the Reaper Death Seal of sorts. You could argue that the Izanami and Izanami are jutsu based upon Tsukuyomi but were considered myths and folktales even rarer than the Mangekyou Sharingan.
The Sharingan and by extension all superpowers are interesting because of their limitations. If it allows the user to read an opponent's movements what are the broader applications. Discovering that it allows the user to copy jutsu is really cool. Does it detect lies, traps, Genjutsu? The constant evolution of the Sharingan takes away from that excitement and potential exploration. The MS, on the other hand, only works with the idea that you must sacrifice your closest connection Aztec style. It being some kind of perverse, Dark-side, Sith form of the Sharingan. Something only a heartless killer would have, someone who massacred their family out of spite or a desire for ultimate power.
I have always thought that sharingan was so many times used as a cheap way to get the plot in the direction the writer wanted to go and never was true to the rules stated previously in the universe, I'm glad that you address this, as you obviously know more than me and I would never be able to explain all the points that are not consistent and the ones that have some good explanation in the manga, haven't read all of it recently so no way I know all about it, great work on this one Nick
I know I'm so happy that a mainstream youtuber covered this. But I can cover these points more or less in order of appearance it will help form a picture of the problem this eye has. The first point is long do to establishment of the context of its actual power structure. The second time we see it. S Zabusa vs. Kakashi. WE LEARN IT USES TWO ABILITYS THE PIERCING EYE AND HYPNOTIC EYE We learn that it works through the piercing eye also known as the eye of insight: This gives sharingan several befits. Namely the ability to see every move in the finest detail. So think of a high resolution high speed camera. We learn later in the chunin exams. That this also let's them perceive genjutsu. (The illusion clones forest of death have the yin symbol in the clone) this is further expanded on and truly confirmed that the sharingan posses the power to see chakra to a extent.(deidara vs sasuke) THIS ABILITY IS WHAT ALLOWED SASUKE TO READ NARUTO IN NINE TAILS IN PRT 1 HE SAID EVERY SUBTLE STEP EVERY CHANGE IN MOMENTUM AND THE IMAGE OF HIS NEXT MOVE BECOMES CLEAR. hypnotic eye: it is very self explanatory it makes illusions which is yin release you can hypnotism and control. Confuse. Sky is the limit. Zabuza said emplying the above the above powers makes it appear that kakasi could see the future. The piercing eye facilitated the mimicry and copying So ergo kakashi doesn't have the power to copy he uses powers of sharingan to copy. This remained all sharingan could do for a fairly long time THEN CAME THE INCONSISTENCY TSUKIYOMI on initial site it just seemed like eye of hypnotism on absolute Crack. Powerful but high Chakra strain. That's fine. AMATERASU wink wink black flames 🔥 I have fire... 😅 um how does a eye that does illusions and sees better get to this. Then mangekyou became mystical that only a few mastered. And then u have to get it through killing a freind. Ok hyper mystical. I'm beginning to see a achmed the dead terrorist bigger arrow analogy. Narativly this was done for drama. And to help explain the prt 1 valley fight. But narratively it was flimsy and power system it was not good Then too make it more consistently inconveniently inconsistent KAMUI dimensions. Now it has 3 powers. 2 have nothing to do with its o.g power structure. SUSANO at this point I finally realized they were just going to be inconsistent and give it new abilities whenever. Now I could maybe see susano in a illusion. Or as a spiritual summon maybe a ninjutsu. But how is it in anyway illusionary. KAGASUTSUCHI now flames that couldn't be controlled can as nick stated. KOTOAMATSUKAMI now it's a eye that can up and rewrite who u r. It can also do it without eye contact... ok it's genjutsu I could maybe see a master doing it as it aligns. But breaking away from sight.... come on power creep. Then izanagi and izanami later. And as nick stated o.p. as sin. I could maybe see izanami the time loop one becuase it's so quick but again withought sight. Izanagi it can create actual substance ok this one is becuase of the use of senju. Which I do think was used to explain it. But at least it's consistent there. But still to o.p for it to be in its form. Then meteors Then wait it really is a watered down rinnegan that wait came from this. AS IT WAS O.G. IT WAS A BUETIFFULY INSPIRED TOOL. AS IT BECAME. IT WAS A PLOT DEVICE. NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE POWERS COULD HAVE WORKED. WITH A BIT OF LIMITS. 1) first and foremost just do away with the m.s. e.m.s. distinctions. No power ups no death. Keep to it's magic structure. 2)the idea that utilizing to much Chakra in the eyes could dmg them isn't far fetched. In fact gives it fair balance. 3)powers that belong/and reworked Tsukiyomi (belongs it's fine) Kotoamatsukami belongs however it needs a big nerf. Namely making it totaly undetected needs nerf. The fact it doesn't need eye contact is to big of a break away from. Structure. These two genjutsu could a be passed down or learned. Etc. Some perhaps forbidden due to Chakra strain. This makes these powers balanced and narratively better. 4 )these powers could be present bust as jutsu. Amaterasu perhaps a passed down enhanced fire style skill to enhance other fire style jutsu. Or perhaps a fire style that is infused with yin possibility are endless Kamui same thing however it should have been in use as a jutsu perhaps for phasing maybe teleporting. But sucking people into a sharingan. No Susano maybe a genjutsu or a summon. Not physical But ya. It was a mess
I alluded to this above and I realize I'm long winded. This one is brief. But think about if itachi was simple so impressive he could make his fire ball black. Or strap u in a mind melting genjutsu. Does that narratively say more than oof I killed my best friend.
BYACKUGAN. This is relevant in prt to above. It was established early sharingan descended but for the power of insight it was better. Kakashi says this I will say this wat again is power of insight. It's the power sharingan uses to perceive detail. Think about that. And what that actualy implies. It has no other power. Most know that the eye sees Chakra points. And 359 degrees. And through objects. MOST HOWEVER MISS THE SIMPLE FACT what gives it the powers in first place 😕 insight. One of the two main powers of sharingan
It really wasn't used as a cheap way to get the plot in the direction the writer wanted to go much and it was true to the rules stated previously, I mean most are at least consistent,
@@Jdudec367ok I just gave a running list if your gonna make statements prove them. U believe there consistent prove it. I can right a book on here abt it. U never addresses my arguments either.
I think the mangekyou was peak sharingan writing wise. Not the eternal mangekyou, the regular one, where youre so limited, YOU also are terrified, in a sense, when you have to use it, cause you're trading your vision (and your visual powers altogether). The eternal concept was really cool at first, but really turnt out terribly. Not only that, but Obito really had eternal without having it. Sasuke used his mangekyou and soon after almost went blind, whilst Obito teleported left and right all the time. The horror of seeing a mangekyou alone felt like the peak of power, bc it was supposed to be a life or death. All the rinnesharigan/6 tomoe rinne/whateverthefuck sharingan always leaved me indifferent. I liked the rinegan by itself, specifically Pain's, cause it was such a cool, unique, mysterious concept. After that, meh.
Itachi's MS also is insanelly fun because you can see how Itachi himself is worn out by it. Even on his first fight... Tsukuyomi made an "eternal" time warp, but he had to pay the chakra cost based on the time inside it and not outside so a few seconds could drain him completelly. Amaterasu was fucking insane, but Itachi had to use it so caefully because he couldnt control it and a single ember touching him could mean death. Even Kakashi's Kamui... He could only drag small things and was completelly exausted after a couple uses. Shisui could only use once every frw years... And them there's Obito, Madara and Sasuke who just won the power lotery and can do any bullshit they want with no drawbacks.
Obito had Hashirama cells which give a BIG powerboost to the Sharingan... I mean... That shit reduced the kotoamatsukami cooldown from 10 years to a day,Madara was an edo tensei,and even after fully reviving he had Hashirama cells too,even whitout that he was only there for a day,,and with the exception of susannoo we never SEE he using any other mangekyo ability,even then Its been showed before when Madara Sharingan First evolved into Rinnegan he was healed from blindness from using izanagi... Soo yeah... Madara and obito spamming was justified... Sasuke tough...Just because he had eternal eyes
Sharingan is like if the design team for an MMO decided to just keep adding features onto one class and buffing it, maybe occasionally nerfing and reworking certain features and making a surprised Pikachu face when that class proceeds to outscale other classes, yet being strangely inconsistent in certain scenarios.
I was just rewatching the fight where Madara stomps the alliance, and I noticed something. Gaara also has the ability to rip somebody right out of their Susano'o, he pulled Madara out of his with his sand like it was nothing. While it is arguable that Madara's Susano'o was not complete in that scene, let's not forget that Sasuke withstood a blow that should've killed him *multiple times over.* Using just the ribcage. It was presented like Isshiki pulling Sasuke out of Susano'o was some big thing, but you don't even have to be an Ohtsutsuki to do that.
It's such weird nonsense because Sasuke was protected from A's _lightning enhanced_ Liger Bomb yet the Mizukage melted those very same ribs with Boil Release. Which heavily implied that if Sasuke didn't get bailed for like the third time in that entire arc, he would've died to just Boil Release.
His susanno was incomplete and had a weak spot that is a lack of legs. Madara was susannos legs. So some undeground technique should bypass susanno defense
I absolutely agree with your sentiment on being a fan of any show..... a good fan will be able to point out a flaw in a given piece of media because they want that media to be the best it could possibly be.
I feel like things would have been more balanced if they 1) kept it so that, in order to evolve the Sharingan, you have to do something so heinous that it cuts you off from humanity forever and 2) if they'd given other Hiden Jutsu and Bloodline techniques similar amps. Remember how, in Part 1, the Byakugan was seen as better than the Sharingan? Yeah, Pepperidge Farm remembers. But seriously, it's like "Oh, your eye lets you see a little into the future and copy ninjutsu? Well mine lets me shut down your entire ability to use the magic system." The Byakugan was better than the Sharingan in Part 1. The problem is that it didn't keep up. It didn't get the ridiculous evolutions that the Sharingan did. No other technique evolved like the Sharingan did, and Kishimoto retconned it so the Mangekyou didn't require the most heinous act imaginable to acquire and more people got access to it, with the result being that you have to wonder how the Uchiha didn't just conquer the entire world since they're so ridiculously unbalanced.
Hoo boy "Pepperidge Farm Remembers" is such an oldie. Brother, we are ancient...😮💨 I do miss the days when you legit had to be a wretched person to unlock crazier and more detrimental powers. Like villains should be able to overpower you at some point, but the lesson being they'll self-destruct at the hands of their own hubris is so much more impactful than Sarada crying to her daddy and then giving him the Mangekyou Stink Eye. But it's fine, Boruto is a watered down sequel for less mentally mature individuals. Unfortunately, it only got that way because someone told Kishimoto to tone Naruto down or the West would burn him at the stake and refuse to give the publisher money. Naruto should've been grittier. It was perfectly dark in part one and dumbed down come Shippuden, and that cost us so much just... GOOD, I guess, it cost us so much good.
@@keythealien If you have only read the manga you should watch episode 192 and episode 220 of Boruto. The show is pretty dark but it's very deliberate and shows restraint with it's use of darker themes I would argue that makes it more suitable for "mentally mature individuals". Also most of the "Mangekyou Stink Eye" that we have seen awakened has been from a person witnessing and suffering from the death of a friend not from killing them you know Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, Shisui, just to name a few. I felt like there was more to Itachi then someone just killing for power ever since Sasuke said to Kakashi that his only ambition was to kill a particular person. Personally I find it darker and more tragic that Itachi wasn't just some psychopath.
The Byakugan was never seen as better than the Sharingan lmao. That was only said due to bias of the Hyuga family and disdain of the Uchiha. The ability to instantly copy and master speed, strength, and ninjutsu was always better than the ability to see chakra points and tailor a taijutsu off that fact. Neji nor his uncle could stand a chance against someone like Itachi for example 😂
Also only 7 people in the show had MS not including Kakashi cause we know the story there. 7 out of an entire clan is a tiny ass amount of people. Also, where are you getting this heinous act bullshit from? Sasuke was evolving his eye by tapping into his pain of his brother murdering his entire family and not feeling strong enough to live to kill him. He never had to beat or kill anybody to unlock that shit😂
_"Oh, your eye lets you see a little into the future and copy ninjutsu?"_ I like how you conveniently left out genjutsu, which is basically an instant win.
I like the part where you explained why the sharingan was a mistake, in contrast to the part where you talked about how there are a lot of plot holes in the way the sharingan evolves through the course of the series. The first implies that there is something inherently wrong with the idea of the Sharingan that significantly detracted from what Naruto could have been without it. The second is simply pointing out ways in which an otherwise good idea and important plot device was used poorly in specific instances.
You could try writing a story of fanfiction yourself and you'll understand how plot holes and basic understanding comes into place. Kishimoto just wrote the story bad or the world that he created. You'll just kind of got carried away by 1 or 2 episodes rather than the whole story
MS was definitely made up on the fly, cause in OG Naruto, every time Itachi used his tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, he used it from base sharingan. Even in flashbacks. But in shippuden, those same flashbacks featured the MS pattern. I think he made the sharingan get stronger in order to give sasuke more level ups so he could be equal to Naruto’s level ups through sage mode and Kurama modes
I’m glad he is open to admit that he has an open mind to point out flaws in anime or anything in general. Because like he said people that think something is perfect isnt a healthy way to show appreciation of anything
I think the Kamui could be explained through the particular way they “misuse” it. Kakashi uses his but puts his hand out in front of his face and maybe uses kamui on his hand to teleport himself into the kamui dimension. And then obito makes contact with Kakashi with his hand then uses his kamui to teleport himself and kakashi as he’s making contact with him?
The way I see Kamui working is that Kakashi can just use the same mechanic as he always does, just aimed at his own body. It doesn't necessarily give him that intangibility either, but before learning about Obito he didn't want to risk trying to use Kamui on his own body
Not only that, but we saw that Kakashi didn't have enough chakra to create a portal to Kamui dimension big enough or for long enough to be able to jump inside it, as we saw in his encounter with Deidara. I assume that he got stronger during the war arc and that's how he got out of Kamui dimension.
Great video. A topic that a lot of people ignore but when it evolved into this "it can do whatever the script needs" thing it became stupid. I honestly always hated the fact that they can control Tailed Beasts effortlessly (which in the own universe narrative, you use chackra to break out the genjutsu, and you have beings that are literally giant things made of chackra not being able to do it)
sandersons laws, look them up, they align very well with what you’re talking about. Especially the one that goes “consistent limitations are more interesting to see and be worked with than the powers themselves”
Also for Madara and his brother not thinking about swapping eyes I am pretty sure no one knew about the EMS. His brother gave Madara his eyes because they weren't used as much and weren't as blind as Madara's. It just so happened that doing that unlocked a new stage of power above what the accepted peak was.
That would be a fuck up on Black Zetsus part then. If his plan involves Uchiha to evolve their Sharingan, then why leave out this crucial bit of information, and hope that someone just lucks into an EMS
Glad you made this video cause I remember watching the anime back in the day and around the mid 2nd to third act of the war arc kishimoto COMPLETELY threw out the rule book of A LOT of things just set the whole goddamn book on fire😂
My only issue with the sharingan was it had so few weaknesses. Had there been more limits on using the sharingan or better ways to counter it then I would have been fine with it.
the funny thing is a lot of the op abilities have huge weaknesses but the characters always work around it like hashiramas cells to negate ms or hashirama cells for kotoamatskami cooldown or ems to negate ms weakness or getting spare eyes for izanagi
The interesting thing is, the Mangekyo Sharingan had an excellent weakness. In that constant usage of it will eventually turn you blind, as demonstrated by Sasuke who nearly went blind after like 1 and a half arc of using it. So there is a logical limit to using the Mangekyo, beyond the great chakra cost of the techniques. The biggest problem, at least for me, is that the limitation of requiring to use too much chakra was quickly thrown away with no reasonable explanation.
The Sharingan wasn’t a mistake, it was just too much and too strong/OP. Kishimoto could scratch 30-50% of the “features” and give it to the Byakugan instead. Would also make it way more balanced.
my issue with Sharingan is the massive gaping plot hole that their missuse (and the missuse of Byakugan) created. Like, when you know *how* genjutsu works, you understand why sharingan facilitate it's use and why both eyes should be *immune* to it. Like, when you realise that Byakugan and Sharingan should counter each others (one can copy the techniques of the other and the other can lock all techniques of the first). Like, when Kishi created new abilities out of his ass to write himself out of the corner he wrote himself in, which caused the biggest corner in which he wrote himself in, which needed a cosmic being to curbstomp the corner and clear the slate for continuing the story. (yeah, more abilities to the Sharingan = more power to Obito and Madara, thus this led to the Kaguya arc which came out of nowhere) The worst part of this kind of ideas, is that when you begin unraveling that, it also shows more and more plot holes and writing mistakes, that needed more and more BS to resolve... Simply put, in my mind : Sharingan is a very interesting tool that was so badly used it destroyed the entire story.
Well said. Its o.g. abilities as defined by zabuza. Piercing andhypnotic eye. Extreme visual clarity and chakra perception(would allow it to read the function of any jutsu.) Also seeing chakra allows it to see genjutsu. The hypnotic Illusions. We see kakashi use it to cast ninjutsu galore Itachi shows up and shows us the power of its genjutsu when he reversed kurenais. That made sesne he seen its funtion copied in broke out and used his eyes to throw it back. But then the m.s. stuff...😢eck The o.g. abilities offered but loads of potential. And byackugan is slept on. Everyone excepts these powers. Telescopic Xray 359 degree. And chakra sight Now if kakashi said its insight(which the community has always tried to say its different from piercing) Which then why would kakashi say with insight alone it gets the better of sharingan. Context of him describing its vision in comparison to his own also shows that insight and piercing eye are two words for the same power. People aay it cant see in slow motion. Lol. Thats why neji could see lee in 5th gate when he fought garra Or how he was able to dodge thousands of weopons. ... If anyone in a anime community can read between the lines. Its obvious that its every vision based thing sharingan has byckugan has better. The balance on sharingan is it had a second power. Sad that people dont get its the piercing eye that gives copying becuase it can see the (CHAKRA) AND SIGNS of enemy...😂 What does byackugan do. It sees the full chakra network in its entirely and can see through things. At high frame rate. Hm wats holding back byackugan copying. Oh wait neji learned the 64 palms and rotation from observation(watching it)
My guess for how kakashi and Obito can use the others eye power is because the eyes are linked in sets even if not attached to the same person. Having one of the two eyes let's you access both if the other is near by, and since kakashi was in the kamui dimension (a single dimension created by their eyes together) he was technically in range to access obitos power.
Another plothole (or bad writing) is how good Sasuke got with his sharingan without a mentor. He had stamina issues, much like his brother, so I find it hard to believe he was able to automatically use the sharingan in a short time without being confused. I get his basically a reincarnated god but still... lazy writing. This further enforces the idea that Sasuke should have stayed with Team 7 and kept training with Kakashi.
@nonameneeded2943 Because one of the arguments against Sasuke is that everything was handed to it. An integral part of his arc was him realizing Naruto, a nobody at the time, was catching up and in some aspects surpassing him. Another point in his "I'm not good enough" arc was when he realized that even after defecting from the Leaf, he STILL was leagues lower than Itachi. Naruto vs Sasuke has story beats of hard work vs natural born talent. We see a shift after the rooftop fight that Sasuke realizes even though he's a prodigy that will only get him so far.
@@nonameneeded2943cause if he was a faster learner then in the terms of the naruto verse he would if been more of a prodigy beyond itachi since itachi had his sharingan for a while and learned to use it from other uchihas, sasuke had not a single person to teach him how to use it besides kakashi who only taught him jutsus and Chakra control not much on the sharingan or how to control/use it.
Sasuke did have mentors though, several of them. He had Kakashi who taught him about the sharingan, he had Orochimaru who taught him to use his Sharingan better, he had comments (as a kid) from Itachi about how to use it, and he had Obito.
I'm glad you talked about this. When it comes to Sasuke's Sharingan, I knew this would be a problem when Sasuke lost his Rinnegan. We all know that the point of Sasuke losing his Rinnegan is to put him in the same boat as Naruto without Kurama so Boruto era shinobi can take the lead as the new main power class. Kishimoto's plan to weaken Sasuke doesn't work the same like Naruto due to this. In truth, Sasuke's nerf should have been far more significant than Naruto. Sasuke would have lost his Rinnegan, Amaterasu , and Susanoo. As for Izanagi, right on all parts. I can't tell you how many times I've commented on various videos about Sasuke and his lost Rinnegan and arm, where I had to bring up that Sasuke could have and should have used Izanagi. Izanagi is too good of a jutsu for the series because Sasuke could have saved his Rinnegan if he had used it. Imagine after the entire fight with Boruto and everything cools down, Sasuke uses Izanagi to get his Rinnegan back. He then goes to Orochimaru to have him make a clone Sharingan replacement for him. And now that you've brought it up, why hasn't Sasuke gone to Orochimaru to at least TRY to get his Rinnegan back?
@@gabrielkawa3477 I don't see why he would think that. If he wants to save Boruto and protect the village, let alone the world, then he should have done everything in his power to get his Rinnegan back.
@@matt7352 Yeah, I mentioned it above. I understand that the story of Boruto is about the next generation taking over. My problem is that the Narutoverse has way to many options to overcome these nerfs that are placed on the characters. The only way it works, is for you to ignore all of the previous lore of the story to make what is currently happen plausible. At the end of the day, there is no reason as to why Sasuke didn't get his Rinnegan back. Izanagi, at the cost of a Sharingan, can warp reality, turning illusions into reality and vice versa. Sasuke could not only get his Rinnegan back at any time he wanted, but also restore his arm and then use his restored Rinnegan to heal his lost Sharingan after using Izanagi. And then we also have Orochimaru and the very fact that Orochimaru and other key characters from Naruto not showing up in Boruto is telling of Kishimoto avoiding characters who would be able to fix a lot of these problems going on.
Just watched this video regarding Kamui the argument was how could Obito subconsciously utilize the MS ability without the MS eye being active. However, if it is viewed as one eye for attack and the other eye for defense it would technically make sense that as a defensive ability the MS eye would not need to activate to protect the user rather subconsciously protects, whereas the attack eye the one given to Kakashi would require activation and use of the ability therefore needing the eye to be visible and causing the eventual blindness. I dunno just my two thoughts
My favorite fight when the sharingan was in use was definitely Kikashi vs. Sabuza. Seeing the immitation of another ninja in both actions and jutsu was eerie and unnerving.
I would have loved for them to have treated the ms just like another stage of the sharingan, kinda like getting another tomoe. You get access to some new jutsu, tracking gets better blah blah, cool. I think making each one have crazy and unique abilities, though a really cool concept, introduced a really easy way for plot convenience.
Surprised Itachi wasn't brought up when talking about how the eye can use your imagination to cheat reality. He could've used it to heal his illness by simply coming back, not sick 😂 i believe you brought it up in a previous video, too.
Sometimes I imagine that sage of six paths chakra is just creation of all things chakra, which is a yin-yang release that requires mastery over all chakra natures but is infact learnable. I often wonder if mastering creation of all things could allow Sasuke to activate his other rinnegan, allow naruto to revive kurama and allow Kakashi to regain the power of his lost sharingan.
The requirements for unlocking something =/ the requirements for using something thereafter. Kakashi with no sharingans was able to use both kamui abilities later on in the war arc.
I think it really should have ended at “can assist with copying jutsu, and casting genjutsu” The aspect of “it can analyze motions and can almost predict future actions” should have been a power given to the byakugan And absolutely get rid of susano’o, izanami, and izanagi. Yes, they’re cool abilities, but too OP. The MOST insane ability I’d permit is maybe Amaterasu. But we’re talking about hat being the ABSOLUTE strongest ability of the sharingan and restricted to MS
To be fair to Kakashi's Full Body Susanoo; that feels less like Sharingan inconsistency and more like Sage of Six Paths Chakra is just that ridiculously strong that it can bypass the normal requirements. It would also explain why Indra could do it without EMS either.
Kakashi can and could always enter the Kamui dimension. His ability works by creating a vortex that splits the boundaries between dimensions and allows objects through, as explained in his fight against Deidara. Nothing in this description is stopping him from creating a vortex and stepping through or creating a vortex around himself. He just doesn't have intangibility so he can't just teleport the part of his body away that's about to be hit by an attack. At least not without ripping a gaping hole into his body.
yeah definitely near the end of the show... the consistency with the sharingan went off the rails lol. not the biggest deal to me but yeah... some things just make you wonder if kishimoto was just really oblivious to it or just didnt care that the continuity was going to be off
Kakashi using Kamui to warp himself out of the Kamui dimension is pretty easy to explain in my eyes. Kakashi has the range Kamui and can control the sice of it - like he did with the Deidara clone. To jump out of the Kamui dimension, he can simply use Kamui right in front of him and make it big enough to warp himself out.
There was a moment in the war arc (I believe it was only in the anime because I don't remember it in the manga) where it showed Kakashi and Obito's vision syncing up. I always interpreted that as him being able to use the abilities in Obito's eyes as well. I can't say for sure that that was Kishimoto's intention but it feels like that was inferred. So it's not really them using Kamui from Kakashi's eye but them pairing with Obito's eye and activating Kamui through it.
The issue I have with the Sharingan (aside from being inconsistent) is how it's used. What I mean is how illogically it is implimented in that world. For example, why weren't the Uchiha in control of the Leaf? It makes no sense in that world to not have the strongest faction ruling, and the Sharingan is lethal to an absolute. Why wasn't Sasuke used as a breeding bull to replenish the Village of their most powerful weapon? Why was the Leaf willing to lose their last Sharingan and Uchiha, possibly to an enemy, by allowing him to become a shinobi? When Orochimaru learned to create them in Boruto, why doesn't EVERYONE use them? Then of course there are nonsensical abilities like the Susanoo. If it was simply something Itachi made, like originally explained, that would be one thing. But that was retconed to it being an ability of the MS any user could have. Why? What makes a dojutsu impressive and so dangerous is how subtle it is. With the Sharingan, a single look can copy abilities/skills, cast or resist genjutsu, and burn away anything. Creating giant suits of ghostly armor doesn't fit with that at all. No ninja would use such an ability. You literally lose all subtly and turn yourself into a giant target. Hightened visuals/copying for utility, genjutsu and Kamui for defense, and amatarasu for offense. Perfect. Giant ghost armor. Why? Because it looks cool.
Just a couple cents: I think people sometimes get too caught up with the real-world terminology of "ninja". The characters and shinobi terms are really all just modes to transport the Shinto inspirations, bringing them into our IRL perception using familiar words to help us relate to them. If you think about it this way, chakra is just magic and shinobi in Naruto are just magicians. Can you use magic stealthily? Yeah, totally. Do you always need/want to? Not really. Anyway, beyond the sort of morbid hilarity of such a dark alternate universe where there is no story and Sasuke is just locked up somewhere to replenish the military might of the Leaf, the main justification I can imagine regarding sending the last Uchiha to die, basically, is because of Danzou. He hated the Uchiha and thought they were all bad seeds, viewing them as children who weren't even smart enough to wield their own powers correctly (evidenced by his interactions with Shisui and Itachi). Danzou did a lot of legwork in tarnishing the Uchiha name in order to turn the village (or at least the government) against them. At the end of his life, he got all the eyes he needed and had the powers he wanted and just needed to forge the peace he was working towards, which included finally ridding the world of all the Uchiha so no one could ever challenge him when he usurped the Hokage seat. That's all I got for ya. The world of Naruto is a jumbled mess of nonsense.
@@keythealien That would be true, about the shinobi terminology, except for the fact that they are introduced as spies and assasins, with Kakashi even explaining that their main job is espionage, not combat, and all their skills are designed around that concept. Kishimoto himself said that the only reason they don't act like real shinobi was because he couldn't write a battle Shonen if they acted that way. Which is why the only times they use their abilities and skills properly are against nameless characters, off-screen, or when he writes himself into a corner like with Madara. The simple fact is that the world of Naruto is not designed to be a battle shonen and was shoehorned into one. Would have been far better as an action / thriller Seinen Changing Sasuke's story to better fit with the worldbuilding wouldn't mean there's no story. It would just be altered. You could even have it be the same. Just explain the justification. For example, they could say it was part of the deal made with Itachi in return for him helping in wiping out their clan. Or it was Hiruzen stepping in to try and keep Sasuke away from Danzou. Or it was Danzou's machinations. Though I doubt he would want to risk an enemy village getting their hands on Sasuke and his bloodline/sharingan. Hell, here's another justification: Itachi wasn't a double agent, he genuinely snapped and went rogue after helping wipe put his clan, and Sasuke was being used as a pawn by Danzou or whovever to find and potentially eliminate him. Catching Itachi was deemed more important than the potential risk of losing Sasuke or him ending up in another village's hands. A writer's job is to figure this stuff out, to blend plot, character, and worldbuilding into a cohesive story. However, as you pointed out, Naruto is a nonsensical mess.
The whole m.s. was a issue Why obito and zabuza in there explaining it breaks it. It's piercing eye(which allows copying) And hypnotic(yin release) It is stated by obito. OBITO PEOPLE. That yin imagines form from nothing. However that form doesn't have substance. Senju yang gives substance... Zabuza also gives same perspective... Amaterasu is yang not yin. It's physical. Kamui. Physical Susano. Physical... Are they yin as obito and literaly whole series tries to say sharingan is. Or is it yang
i always assumed that Obito used a Genjutsu to make his Mangekyo Sharingan look like a Base Sharingan when he's using Kamui so nobody discovers who he was.
The way it was originally depicted when Kakashi debuted it in the Zabuza fights was really cool and was honestly OP enough. It was NEVER depicted in that way again and it's a shame. I went back last year and rewatched Naruto from the beginning and I completely forgot that it was originally made to copy jutsus.
In my opinion, logic in the series both peaked and ended during the Chunin Exams arc in the fight of Rock Lee versus Gaa- Sasuke. Te series peaked in Rock Lee versus Sasuke. When Rock Lee both humiliated Sasuke, and exemplified the true original purpose and limitations of the Sharingan and how it was supposed to work on conception. The Sharingan is an inherited tool ability to supplement combat, and arrogant Uchiha who rely on it and think they're better than everyone for having Godly precognition will get reality slapped into them faster than a Hidden Lotus. Then it became a power of God and everything went out the window, but still. It's supposed to allow you to recognize and implement movements and chakra flow immediately, and if you understand or recognize how jutsu and chakra work, you can even master it to a degree where you are already aware of what the opponent is going to do during the time you are "following" their movements, so you are no longer following, but instead racing to the finish. Throw in some enhanced genjutsu abilities which WERE tame but acceptable, and you have a pretty strong but balanced kekkei genkai. Everything that came afterwards threw the whole fucking series into Pandemonium. Itachi should have JUST been a ridiculously skilled and powerful genius, fuck all that shit about Mangekyo fuck Susano fuck Tsukuyomi fuck Amaterasu fuck all of that, he really did just 1 v 50 his entire clan and win because he's the strongest ninja essentially in the entire village, but no, he and Obito together went around abusing hax and ambush tactics and the acceptance of his father to just allow their massacre, in order to overcome the clan. Had that been the case, though, and Itachi were simply powerful, Orochimaru COULD have been obsessed with Sasuke for a different reason, but instead he's fixated on the fucking Sharingan. He SHOULD have wanted Sasuke's body because as his biological younger brother, Sasuke had theoretically the same potential to be the caliber of ninja that Itachi is. But nope, he wants Sharingan because Sharingan lets you do everything ever and can never be stopped by anyone except by literal God hax and even then only like half the time if you also have a God power. It doesn't even make sense for the whole "Orochimaru wants to learn ALL jutsu ever by combining all combinations of hand signs and chakra release" because he doesn't NEED Sharingan for that. He already has control over every nature release and he can swap bodies as well as steal and organ harvest whatever kekkei genkai he can get his hands on, so all he needs is time which the Sharingan doesn't give him any more of, he still has to do the hand signs and release the chakra even if he's copying a jutsu he previously didn't know somehow. (Maybe it would help him perfectly understand exactly how the flow of chakra differs in each different jutsu implementation so he can better understand the algorithm for all jutsu creation by tangibly seeing the chakra network, that is more fair, but he could've also just gotten a Byakugan for that.) I don't know, I still think it's unfair that after a month of eating shit with Kakashi in the mountains, Sasuke came back matching Lee's UNWEIGHTED SPEED with demonstrably no drawbacks. "Oh but his stamina" SHOW ME a time where he actually loses speed or gets actually tired that isn't a result of chasing people 30 miles into the forest and fighting 4 major battles back to back all while keeping up and then facing a jinchuriki. It never happens, Sasuke is never really shown to be helpless against any opponent as a result of fatigue, it's always as a result of getting his ass whooped by a superior opponent like Gaara.
@NCHammer23 14:00 Kakashi's Kamui works by focusing on a point. Notice he covers his sharingan with his hand (presumably to focus on it, thus having the kamui portal open right where he is) therefore he was able to teleport himself.
Omg. I JUST noticed that. It makes a lotta sense now. Since Kakashi used Kamui in a primarily offensive way before this, he never tried to go into the Kamui dimension himself because there would be a chance that he would be stuck there. But now that he knows about Obito and knows how kamui works, he no longer is afraid of kamui-ing himself.
I was always under the impression that Izanagi could only change things that happened after its activation. We saw Danzo have to keep activating it against Sasuke before then getting hit. Obito could have activated before Konan's explosion actually went off. Madara had it prepped before his fight. It becomes much less broken of a concept if you assume this is how it works. Otherwise, couldn't Sasuke even now years later replace his missing eye and arm? Even if the eye would only be a normal one or base sharingan. The fact that he doesn't seems to prove Izanagi can't affect the past before its activation.
That would still need to be put into the narrative itself so the audience knows that. But it _is_ a self consistent explanation rooted in a limitation that makes the ability more interesting to write around, so I like that idea.
There's an easy way to solve most of the problems that came with the sharingan, which is to separate its powers into different dojutsus and giving them to different clans in different lands. Konoha being so stacked with power is one of the main reasons why 80% of the world of Naruto feels empty. It's like Kishimoto was scared of making his world richer.
At this rate, it reminds me of the Speed Force, The Force, or the Power of Friendship. It can do whatever the plot needs it to, but it’s still really cool to look at. Black and red is a good color scheme, and seeing them flare up and transform look so good. And Kakashi is my favorite character.😂
Could the whole Obito using Kamui without activating his MS be explained by a genjutsu on the mask? It would explain why the MS is active after the mask comes off.
I mean that was my first thought on that particular thing, as we’ve seen small genjutsu like that in the past(Danzo vs Sasuke).. But I’m more concerned about Kabuto’s plot hole infested abomination.. Hashidara/Jubidara using any Sharingan or Rinnegan ability he wants even though he doesn’t have Madara DNA or an Uchiha body. Somehow having Hashirama’s face fused into it’s chest even tho Hashi is still sealed by RDS at that point ..💀💀
Wonderful video. Explained everything I always have to argue with people about in the comments. Main thing being the Uchia “Eye Swap” thingy & I always refer to those same scenes showing the 4 eye whole slots. I used to think I was the only one who caught that at the time
That among a rich book of issues Narative and magic structure wise. Sharingan the second m.s. was introduced began walking a tight rope The day that itachi aired on too Nami and I seen amaterasu. I immediately knew that it began walking that razor edge of being poorly written.
Yes, Sharingan was Mistake TM! Sharingan and Byakugan were already incredibly powerful in the first part of the anime- any ninja who was resourceful and had some brain matter could defeat anyone with just those powers. Sharingan and Bijuu symbolise a very common problem among shounen anime- power creep. As much as I love the first few arcs in Bleach and Naruto, it was mostly power creep that made me stop watching them. I don't want to watch more pretty lights and numbers climbing, I want to watch characters taking what they have and making it count. It could be traps, it could be teamwork, it could be clever tactics, but god damn give me a reason to care about what characters do. I believe this is why Shikamaru for all his faults is so popular in the Naruto fandom.
If we’re being honest obito’s eye technically has multiple abilities slipping part of his body into the kamui dimension, and then being able to suck things nearby into and pull thing from that some dimension. The. When we see him with both eyes he can open portals to kaguya dimension. And I’m pretty sure we all glossed over the fact he was using the eye to teleport as stated by zetsu during the aftermath of the sasuke and itachi fight.
The Sharingan itself isn’t a mistake. All the cracked out abilities you find out it has every 5 seconds is. Also, either the Byakugan had to be beefed up a LOT or (favorably) the Sharingan had to be trimmed down a LOT.
Glad to know I’m not alone in this take. Anyone who I’ve spoken to about Naruto knows how passionate I am about this exact topic. I seriously think the Mangekyo sharingan and Rinnegan are big mistakes. When it was just the regular sharingan and byakugan, they were easily amongst the best aspects of Naruto because they were enhancing vision in some way. Every Dojutsu ability that is to do with enhancing vision in some way I am a big fan of. But What Kishimoto did with the mangekyo and Rinnegan are genuinely amongst the worst inclusions in the series. That’s not me saying they aren’t cool, but I think it was a huge mustake to give these dojutsu such broken abilities. The casual eye swapping in the war is easily one of my least favourite aspects of the show, but was kind of inevitable due to how useful those abilities are. There’s so much more I could get into as well. I could honestly do a TED talk on this topic. That’s how strongly I feel about it. Props for making a video on it.
Thank you so much for giving your dog love on screen! I hate seeing youtubers' pets in the background who never get attention or mentioned (maybe because the youtuber can't multitask like that or doesn't want to waste time). It's so weird! Plus, it's hilarious to see it and you still not talk about it while they're in your lap taking up half the screen. The best jokes are ones that don't have to be explained. Plus, your dog is so cute!!!
Most people refuse to engage with a honest discussion about sharingan becuase of well ITS COOL. rule of cool. 😅 But win u consider some narrative parameters 1 zabuza. Explains the eye. It has piercing eye(insight) 2 hypnotic(genjutsu illusions.) 3 obito. From the izanagi intro explains it uses yin energy spirit Yin is incorporareal illusion. Ghosts. Remember the golemns shikimaru faught. The moth ghosts. They were yin. Genjutsu is yin So obito directly collapsed the very idea it could project illusions on reality. With out senju power. Ok so he correlates with zabuza. So then withought senju Chakra. How then is any of the m.s. abilities. Make sense😅
i dont know WHY Kishimoto would remove the most interesting part of the MS: the fact that it HURTS YOU TO USE IT. downsides to abilities are what make the upsides SHINE. so for the EMS to negate the best part of the MS?? literally why. this is the same reason I hate the Nine Tails Cloak that Naruto uses after he befriends Kurama, it loses the downside that made the power interesting!
the sharingan was able to do everything the plot demands and that why I always prefer the byakugan... there was a frase i heard about the sharingan "it can do everything even make coffe"
Lol. Thats funny even make coffee. I like mine strong. Lol Funny enouph all the sight powers sharingan was shown in beginning. The piercing eye. Is the same as eye of insight. The narrative back then doesnt lead to another conclusion. The fandom has misinterpreted the piercing eye and eye of insight as two different things. When kakashi was stateing simply that its actual visual prowess is superior. We know sharingan had perceptional clarity and high frame rate lense powers. And chakra sight. Then kakashi says byackugans insight is better than later says his sharingan cant see tenketsu. The narrative clearly shows this. People say neji cant see high speed. Ok 1 Does any one really believe spider guy could have been defeated in part 1 by anyone withought a dojutsu. Or of course just out ranking spider man. I.e. a kage would smake him around. I doubt sasuke would have beaten kido had u replaced him in that fight. Also debunked that neji can in fact see high speed as well when we look at garra vs. Lee. Neji and kakashi were the only people in room that could clearly see. The fight. Lee needed 5th gate for neji...😅😅😅😂 People sleep on neji. Kakashi flat couldnt believe how strong neji was. Couldnt imagine someone that touph was there. Sasuke was already chunin level in that arc. Also nejis data book stats were 21 at that time. Thats close to tokubetsu jonin stats. Jonin like kakashi are around 31 ish. Sasuke in chunin exams was around a 18. Naruto choji around 13. If that shows the power differential of kakashis statements i dont know what does. But ooh wait theyll disregard the data stats.
@@r.a.panimefan2109 yeah the byakugan was always treated like the stupid brother... and is annoying... you have Infrared you can see at kilometres away you can see chakra points and fucking cut Justus in half... while the sharingan keep evolving first the tomoe then MS then EMS and then rinnegan ... the byakugan get the tenseigan but no the hyuga can't get it ... oh come on
I think why Sasuke can still use his Amaterasu on his Kagutsutchi's eye is that the Kagutsutchi has the same properties with Shisui's MS where it varies on power and CD. but in Sasuke's case He can use the Amatrerasu on the Right eye but it's smaller in scale and not that potent to create larger flames compared to his actual Amaterasu eye, the six tomoe rinnegan. Love the vids!
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 90% of any sharingan explanation is headcanon and he literally says he thinks sasuke has been using smaller flames since losing his six tomoe though
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 well, there is the scene right after he loses his eyes with him using amaterasu's flames with his other eye, i think that is a very official naruto media
@@SatoreyGojo That's because we as fans care more about in-universe consistency and airtight explanations for things more than the guy who actually wrote the story. If we remove that aspect, there is no good explanation for it
I'm just gonna assume that Obito's mask casts a genjutsu that causes outside viewers to perceive it as a base sharingan, considering MS was achieved at Rin's death, Madara might have compensated for this and taught him a jutsu that puts all viewers under a genjutsu that limits their perception, something like a transformation jutsu. After the mask was broken and identity was revealed, there was no need to maintain the jutsu, plus Madara was running around so questions started to be asked leading up to the real suspicions. The precedent is not unheard of in the series, the Uchicha tablet has a veiling effect that is only revealed when viewed with a Sharingan. His mask was designed in a particular way in both it's iterations. His eye is veiled by some sort of jutsu.
And then he was paired up with a guy that managed to give himself an immunity to all sharingan based genjutsu without being detected? It's a nice idea but I don't like detracting from the insane accomplishment of what Deidara achieved by rendering himself immune to the sharringan.
I mean, what would Obito's incentive have been to do that, though? Did he just not want people to recognize his specific Mangekyo pattern? Almost no one had seen it before, supposedly. So what difference would it have made?
@Khajitxi it's not a sharingan based jutsu, just a jutsu cast on the mask itself. Throughout the entire series Obito has never been shown using his MS while masked EXCEPT when it was first awakened at Rin's death. Coincidentally, Kakashi also awakened it on the same day when he killed her. Madara might have foreseen the possibility of Obito being found out and created the mask to function in a particular way while MS is active. It would explain Obito's use of MS abilities while seemingly only having a base sharingan and after the mask was broken it was only then when we saw his MS and confirmed his identity.
Sasuke using Amaterasu after losing the left eye might be an EMS thing that with EMS you can use both abilities in either eye. As for the Kakashi/Madara using Kamui to get into the dimension plot hole, I always understood his eyes ability as opening a portal to the dimension that sucks nearby objects/creatures into the dimension so I never saw that as a plot hole I just assumed he opened a portal a little closer to himself. DMS Kakashi having a full body Susanoo may have been because he also got the rest of Obitos Sage of Six Paths chakra but again all of these are just head canon hand waves to explain something that wasn't explained :P
Sadly, Naruto is just not a well written series. It has some awesome moments and I still love it, but the writing is a mess that starts out as small cracks, but the further you get into Shippuden the wider and more blatant they get The sad thing is, it doesn’t actually become lower quality. Naruto always had the problems that become worse later, but early on we knew less so they were acceptable as they weren’t yet retcons I still think the Elemental Jutsu system is one of the best magic system concepts that was fumbled terribly
In regards to Sasuke using Amaterasu, if you look up which eye Itachi used for it, the answers vary, but most sources say right. So because their eyes melded, Sasuke’s right eye combined with Itachi’s right can use Amaterasu and Kagatsuchi. While Sasuke’s left EMS was capable of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. So basically Sasuke had a spare when it comes to Amaterasu
I thought the video would be about how the sharigan started somewhoat balaced and could just copy jutsus and ended up beign the most overpower ability in the whole anime/manga
Hmmm... I think the plot hole it's bigger, because in theory the abilities of the that an Uchiha gains when they "develop" their sharingan are reflected in the eyes, yes, but they are born in their minds, more specific, in their brains. It's in their brains that the power of the Sharingan is created, even if then is reflected in the eyes, the eyes are just a "reflection of the hearth". What I mean is that only an Uchiha brain can develop an Uchiha eye. That doesn't mean that you can't use the power stored in the eyes itself, what it means is that Kakashi should have never had his Mangekyou awoken, neither access to a Kamui. This explanation it's canon, so everything related with Kamui it's a plot hole.
Remember when the Sharingan and the Byakugan were supposed to be roughly equal in power and it was even stated the Byakugan was stronger? Good times. Good times.
Yeah I liked that and it made sense that the hyuga were so protective of their eyes but then the sharingans are just thrown around and then we learn they can let you come back from the dead and control the tailed beasts
@@theorangetrooper7603they can LITERALLY rewrite reality
Well, Kakashi meant "stronger" as in visual clarity, but I do get what you mean. Both the Bykugan and Sharingan can see chakra, but the Byakugan takes it further by showing the chakra points, organs and veins, plus you can see through them and far distances, but I do get what you mean.
Kishimoto tried to balance it back out by creating the Tenseigan, but that failed due to the fact that no Hyuga can awaken it...at least not yet (Hopefully).
@@Mangaka-Knight Well a Hyuga with a Tenseigan is most likely never gonna happen since it was stated that the only way it could be achieved is if the Byakugan of a Hyuga is transplanted into an Otsutsuki, with only the implication of a second scenario where the Otsutsuki's natural eyes were able to evolve after a certain point into a Tenseigan (with Hamura being that implied scenario).
@@LibraKai there's a fairly unknown hyuga who also happens to be Otsutsuki now. you may have heard of him, his name's boruto
"screw your magic eyes. we gonna run these hands" -Rock Lee probably..
This makes me thing of Toji
"Parry this, you filthy eye wizard"
-Rock Lee, giving the biggest crushing mountain round house kick
Literally Might Guy
Lee is a preacher of hard work and ass wiping.
Haku to an extent.
Personally - like a lot of the audience - I thought the Sharigan was pretty cool for much of Naruto. Back then the Byakugan was set up as kind of rivalling it, and Rock Lee besting Sasuke during the Chunin Exam arc highlighted the kind of limitations the Sharingan could have. Then Shippuden came and Kishimoto just kept giving it more and more powers -- rewriting reality, altering people's entire personalities, omnipotent genjutsu with no counters. It felt very... Mary Sue-ish at that point, especially with the plot being almost entirely consumed by Uchiha.
gary stuish, to be exact.
It's one of the reasons that I love the original serious, but never got into the two follow up ones. As our characters became closer and closer to god level, the story became less and less interesting.
I would just like to point out that none of the problems in this video are from the original series.
Yeah, the Uchiha takeover was what made me leave tbh. And then, even that was inconsistent. Once I started hearing crazy shit like Sharingan users were somehow on par with mfs with Rinnegan, I was like yeah.
Exactly
Yeah, Kishimoto became hyperfixated on Sasuke throughout Part 2 along with the Uchiha Clan and their powers. It continues on in Boruto where Sasuke is basically raising Naruto's kid and Boruto has become an Uchiha in all but name.
At the very least, the Susanoo should have been a Byakugan/Hyuuga jutsu. It would have been the next logical step to the Hyuuga's ability to expel chakra from all their pores and control it. Its properties don't fit the Sharingan at all.
Actually....... That definitely makes WAAAAAAAAY more sense.
I mean... What is Hinata's Twin Tigers if not basically a Susanoo lite?
The "armor of chakra" thing was clearly a power up for the Hyuugas at the point Kishimoto made that jutsu... but them Sasuke got it on the final draft.
I agree with this assessment.
It was supposed to be Itachi exclusive as he's the Japanese Folklore guy which all of his attacks are based on
But then the editors really liked the form and didn't want to waste it thus the retcons and overused status later on
My head cannon is that the two eyes have the same powers, or powers of similar levels, but most of these techniques were discovered by branch family members and because of how oppressive the main family is, they would kill any branch Hyuga that showed any abilities they couldn’t understand or explain.
Weirdest part of the whole eye thing was how they popped them in and out of their sockets like there isn't a whole lot of severed and damaged nerves that would need to heal for the eye to.. you know.. work..
They didn't ignore that tho
lmao yeah they just casually did transplants using "hashirama cells"@@rapidcougar3785
Chakraaa
@@bradlast7839 and just most of them either had regeneration or a medical jutsu of some kind or both
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They did after the war arc. Madara cut off a limb and attached it to his own, and put in the eye inside the socket all in less than 3 seconds lol.
The limitations of the Sharingan are what made it interesting, just like any ninja ability in the story. Having it constantly evolve to let the Uchiha do whatever Kishimoto needed them to led it to be ultimately meaningless as an in-universe power, since it had essentially no rules or real weaknesses, and turned it into another clumsy plot device.
"EMS dosnt work by swapping eyes, it works by melding eyes" Uhm, hes mixing-up 'How it definetly, absolutely definetly hsould have been' and 'how it is'
I know so specifically cause this and the sillyness of the fact Sasukes original eyes 'apparently' are lying
in some random caves till this day, is a big Pet-Peeve i have
@@slevinchannel7589 this is true, was watching some live tea ta yesterday and when sasuke deactivates the sharingan you see Itachi's pattern. They need to reintroduce sasukes og eyes man
Ehhhh, considering the mangekyou sharingan is rare even amongst uchiha’s and leads you to blindness, that’s an obvious weakness. Effectively the only way to counter being a glass cannon going blind is to find another mangekyou and infuse with your own. (Being an already rare eye) means doing so is even more rare. It just doesn’t seem like it cause the only 2 people to have achieved that happen to be key characters. The powers are pretty set in stone per person too. I don’t buy it
They become Kishimoto's crutch and obsession. They were just way too unbalanced compared to all of the other abilities...
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Exactly, PLUS, the other Mangekyo user has to be of someone with a strong blood relation to you, such as a brother.
Way too op. It just did whatever the plot needed. I remember when Obito used Kamui to teleport from the afterlife and somehow give Kakashi the sharingan I said out loud “Wtf did I just watch?”
Yeaaaa that’s just dong whatever you want as a writer. You’re kinda cheating at that point
If I’m not mistaken the after life is another dimension & kamui is stated to be it’s own dimension that can link to others. That’s how obito got sasuke back it just takes an ungodly amount of chakra, also he intercepted kaguya as amanojikara the same way
Actually there is kinda of explanation for that ^^^. But yeah it’s too op
@@zaydskyzThat may be a good explanation but that doesn’t mean it isn’t stil offensively op. I mean come on, literally the ability to teleport from the afterlife? 😂 And it’s just an ms ability. It’s not like it’s a shinjutsu or a rinnesharingan ability. It literally out performed Kaguya’s portals.
Compare this ability to every other ms ability. Amaterasu which almost never works. Kotoamatsu Kami which apparently has a huge cooldown. Tsukuyomi which is pretty powerful but also has drawbacks. Shin’s ability to move weapons which is pretty strong but nowhere near as powerful as Kamui.
To be fair Obito was enhanced by Hashirama cells and then six paths power but still it’s op. So op they had to split the ability between two eyes. And when those two eyes came together they were able to beat up Kaguya. 😂
My question was, "Why/how did Obito know that he could just do that?" Like, he just died, yet he knew he could transfer his chakra spirit over immediately afterward.
The worst thing Kishi did was making the Rinnegan evolution of the Sharingan. It ruined the character of Nagato for me. Kishi had to make it somehow related to the Uchihas. It couldn't remain its own thing unique to Nagato and the Sage of Six Paths.
He leaned in TOO HEAVILY on the rivalry, and because of that Sakura was also sidelined all fir the sake of the almighty rivalry
I beg to differ since it was always narrated that madara gave nagato is eyes like literally after naruto beat pain it was never a thing as you guys assume and it makes more sense story wise
@@daishaunholmes2298Nope could have just been something Nagato was born with like most people assumed.
@@daishaunholmes2298 It was never narrated that Madara gave Nagato his eyes until literally after Nagato was removed from the story. It was an obvious retcon because absolutely nowhere does anyone even go anywhere close to Nagato in usage of the Rinnegan.
@@MysticalArcaneactually Obito/ as Madara said that he gave the eyes to Nagato. Which was during his fight with Konan, which was right after nagato died.
The Sharingan was tool as it was first presented, as a tool in a ninja's toolbelt. It was great to see Kakashi use it and pay the price. It was cool to see Sasuke awaken and refine his. It lost all of its appeal to me when they ignored its more "mundane" abilities like mapping chakra systems, deciphering jutsu for later use, and genjutsu amplification and just made it the equivalent of the Sword of Omens from "Thundercats." Kishimoto has said himself that he got way too into the Uchihas and I fully believe that that obsession is what fueled a technique that was supposed to be "weaker than the Byakugan" ending up the equivalent of the Spirit Bomb from DBZ.
the greatest fucking irony there is originally he got bored of Sasuke and didn't like him anymore around the fucking Sasuke retrieval art but the fanbase pressured him to do more with Sasuke lmao...i guess the fanbase really reaped what they sowed...
@@Pokemaster-wg9gxlol I read " raped " instead 😂 but damn I didn't know that 🤔 he should've focused on neji , he was ALOT better than sus'ke in everyway from the beginning .
@@TheDON914 you could say their hopes and dreams for sasuke got raped by Kishimoto
@@TheDON914 Yeah we got robbed with neji, taijutsu is the main weakness of the Otostuski
I refer to the Sharingan as "the Batman Eyes", because it's got a jutsu for every situation.
"Warps fucking reality , controls time , mind control"
Imagine fumbling with this modest skillset
True lmao
I think everything up until the 3 tomoe was pretty perfect: cool genjutsu, pre cognition, slight boost in power, jitsu copying. It's strong but not godlike. The MS is fine too since it's a (theoretically) rare power up. It was very strong but had a high cost. But the EMS, Susano and everything beyond was too much imo
I agree, but I would say that all of the MS abilities are really just magic, in a chakra system in my opinion.
@Lee-km7qq but you also forget the byakugon is literally the eyes of the otsutsuki but can't even get a single power up despite it being there main eyes not the sharingan
@Lee-km7qqbyakugan doesnt get to be overpowered then? Anytime yall bring up that argument yall come across as hypocrites
Sharingan is just cooler
Slight boost on power? Bro it was an immediate and dramatic boost. Sasuke was able to keep up with and fight one tail naruto and eventually faster than 4 tails naruto with just the 3 tomoe lol. He could do all these things instantly too
My personal issue with the Sharingan is how over-used it is. It started out as just an eye that could copy Jutsu, predict opponents moves and, to a limited extend, cast Genjutsu. Powerful, sure, but still limited.
Now it can evolve to a second level, giving access to broken, overpowered abilities like summoning a giant chakra warrior, create flames immune to water, teleport around the world and even brainwash entire nations. It was getting way too ridiculous, and all the other Dojutsus, like the Byakugan and the Rinnegan, where basically just cast aside, especially when it was also revealed that the Sharingan can turn into a Rinnegan.
I prefer the Sharingan as it was originally introduced.
Even the Mangekyo was fine, and the eternal one to an extent imo, there are just a few OP abilities. I'd say scrap Sussanno entirely, its just too much even though its cool. Also gotta keep the Mangekyou abilities down to Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu level. They are OP, but they are chakra intensive and won't win you a battle outright against an opponent that clearly outclasses you. Abilities like Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are too much.
The weirdest part was that the Rinnegan somehow lost the abilities the "lesser" eye aka Sharingan had.
And the Byakugan was done so dirty. If you give one an evolutionnthey should have done the same here.
@@Nyualum21 I'd even be fine with half Sussannoos on Sasukes or Shisuis level.
They can help against Bijuu but only Itachi randomly got comepletely broken weapons.
It drains you alot as well and leads to blindness if used to much.
So by scrapping EMS all op abilities come with a permanent cost. Making them emergency abilities, rather then go to i flex my power by birthright bs.
@@TAVARES2x_ so if we were Japanese it would give us the right to change Kishimotos writing? Makes sense 🤡😂🙄
@@TAVARES2x_😂😂😂😂😂so cuz were not Japanese we cant have an opinion on a tv show like seriously lool😂😂
I always thought it was weird that the sharingan was introduced to us as the user having the ability to copy any jutsu and I could be wrong but it seems like kakashi was the only one doing that and even eventually stopped doing it 😂 I always wanted to use awakening in the video games and have access to the opponent’s jutsu lol
In The Broken Bond, Kakashi will use a random jutsu from another character when you use his sharingan ability. I never played the original clash of ninja, but from what I understand Kakashi with his sharingan will use a jutsu specific to his opponent.
@@Clouded-Logic yeah I know, I worded it as if I never played a game with that feature but those games are old and they only have that ability because we was introduced to the sharingan as a copy style. Newer games don’t do it no more. Clash of a ninja kakashi would copy the opponent’s whole fighting style which was fire.
@@ChefNarrative in that sense (to be fair) neither does kakashi. You don’t really see him copy jutsu in the series all that much.
In fact he technically didn’t even copy jutsu with zabuza from what I understand. He actually used genjutsu to lead him to use techniques he already had copied/knew.
That being said I don’t really remember the uchiha copying jutsu anyway. So you are right about that.
To be honest, not that useful of an ability since realistically they would do better specializing on their own techniques instead.
@@Clouded-Logic I see what you’re saying but it was introduced to us through kakashi and it was explained that ge can copy any jutsu BESIDES a kekkei Genkai so idk
Personally, I think that the Sharingan was Made stupid the MOMENT that the Mangyeko Came into the Picture, it completely Disregarded the ENTIRE Concept of the Ability...
At the start of the Series, the Sharingan is presented to us as being "Completely Busted" because of the BASE abilities that it gives it's user: Perfect Perception of anything in their Line of sight, a Passive Genjutsu effect to anyone locking eyes with, and the ability to Instantly Copy any Standard Jutsu that you See... These 3 Abilities on their own Were Fun, they were Unique compared to the other characters in the series, and if used PROPERLY, were REALLY Freakishly Strong.
The Sharingan didn't NEED Anything more than that, it was not Necessary to give it more abilities since those abilities ON THEIR OWN Give a MASSIVE potential for Growth for the Characters that have it. Case and Point, the Chidori is an Ability that in and of itself has NOTHING to do with the abilities the Sharingan gives, but that can't Be used without a Sharingan's Boosted Perception ability to compensate for how Chidori Blinds you. Chidori itself isn't a Sharingan ability, but the Sharingan is Required to use it. Why aren't there more abilities like this? Why aren't the Uchiha Making Jutsu that can ONLY be Properly Performed with a Sharingan, but that don't TECHNICALLY Require it to be Activated? That Right there is an Avenue of Gaining power that SHOULD have been Used for the Uchihas. The other thing they get is what Kakashi does, Copy EVERY Jutsu you come across to boost the Versatility of your Kit to an Absolute Monstrous Level, Being able to Pull a Hundred Different Powers out of nowhere is a HUGE advantage to Keep your Opponents off Guard, Combine that with the Perfect Perception and the Build in Genjutsu that Slows opponent's Reflexes and it becomes Deady! Consider that Sarutobi Hiruzen was considered the Strongest of the Hokages SOLELY Because he knew SO Many Jutsu, he didn't have a Special Bloodline power, he didn't have any particularly Unique Abilities, he just Knew ALL the Jutsu known to Konoha, and that's why he was considered the strongest Hokage... Someone with a Sharingan could Achieve that in a Fraction of the time it took Hiruzen to do it AND could learn Secret Jutsu from other villages at a Glance, If that isn't something you'd Consider Overpowered for the BASE Abilities of the Sharingan, then I don't know what does!
Then there's the fact that of ALL the Advanced Sharingan Abilities that exist, the ONLY two that Makes ANY Sense as an Evolution of the Base abilitites, is Tsukiyomi and Izanami (Which for all intents and purposes basically do the same thing, it's just that Izanami is Self Sustaining until conditions are met). It's literally the ONLY Mangyeko Abilities that have ANY Relation to the 3 Base Abilities of the Sharingan, in this Case the Second one which is the Passive Genjutsu Effect. Seriously, think of ALL the other Sharingan Abilities and TRY to connect them to the Base Abilities of the Sharingan, it can't be Done! There IS no Connection! Amaterasu Creates a Black Flame that can't be Put out at EXACTLY the point where you're Looking at, Where's the fire ability of the Base Sharingan? Oh there isn't one, yes the Uchiha Clan Prides themselves on their fire Jutsu, but that's not related to the Sharingan! Kamui, Physically Opens a portal to a Pocket Dimension. I do NOT Remember that being part of the abilities of the base Sharingan, not even Hinted at in ANY facet of the Clan as a whole... Sussanoo: Creates an Armor and Weapons Made from pure Chakra that is Completely Impervious to Damage, Imitating the tailed Beast Mantle, which the Unchiha have NO Connections to... Izanagi: Reality Warping to Basically give yourself a 1Up...Where the Hell did REALITY Warping come from?!??
Oh and Let's not forget that Literally all the Mangyeko abilities, if they were used by someone who was Consistent in their storytelling and application of the abilities they create within their story, are ALL basically "I Win Buttons" that can't be Avoided... Which is a Baffling amount of Narrative non-sense... Not only is it stupid to give ANY character an "I win Button" (Nevermind SEVERAL), But then you have to take your Audience for Idiots for Believing that ANY fight that involves the characters that have those abilitites could EVER Loose against someone that doesn't have the SAME Abilities. And when you Put Two characters with "I Win Buttons" against each other, it becomes a Question of Who Draws First, Whoever Shoots First Wins, which is NOT at all Entertaining to Watch...
-Tsukiyomi and Izanami, if you LOOK in the General direction of the user, you fall into a Genjutsu and by the time it's Done you are USELESS, either too Psychologically Scarred to be Able to move at which point they can just slit your Throat, or Your Entire world View and personality have Been Rewritten to whatever the User of the ability wants... And no, you can't Resist Either by ANY means...
-Amaterasu: If you See a Person, they Catch on Fire, the Fire can't be put out until it's Completely Consumed whatever it's Burning(Aka the person that was targeted)... If it were Used as Described, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to Miss with, and the moment it hits, your Target Lost the fight, it's just a matter of time... In RPG Language, You get Hit with Damage over time Effect that CAN'T Be Removed No Matter what, and it just Automatically Hits you and you can't Resist it... After it hits, the User only needs to Evade long enough and they're Guaranteed a their Enemy will Die eventually...
-Sussanoo: "I'm Immune to damage, lol. Oh I have giant unblockable Weapons"... that's kinda the Definition of an "I Win Button"
- Kamui (If used by an Uchiha Cutting down the "Charge Time" ): One Just Deletes Whoever you're Looking at, locking them in a dimension they can never Escape that has no Food or Water, You're Dead within the Week, no Exceptions... The other makes it Impossible to Do any Damage to you since it Phases you out of Reality automatically when something WOULD Hurt you, Oh and it lets you teleport Faster than Minato "the Yellow flash" if you want to without the Need to place Knives as Location Markers before hand...
-Izanagi (Again, if used by an Uchiha): Can Rewrite Reality so that "no Actually I didn't Die" For up to at LEAST 10 Minutes, Respawning yourself Behind your Opponent after they've Exhausted their chakra and are effectively Powerless, and if you're not polite about it, you don't even need to warn them about how you're about to backstab them after teleporting behind them, Effectively Guaranteeing a Kill...
Long Story Short: Beyond the BASE abilities of the Sharingan, Everything about is INCREDIBLY Poorly thought out... It's Obvious why, Sasuke had it, and he is the Author's favorite Character, so he gave him ALL the OP Completely Busted Abilities he could think of...
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Man be vetting right now and I'm here for it.
I think the other reason is also because Sasuke is portrayed as villain so they just gave like villain like ability, like something popped up out of nowhere that is so beastly.
All what u said us pointless chatter reread the manga and watch the anime since u clearly have a misconception on the show
@@IMRTLDAN Care to Elaborate as to HOW I am Misconceiving things? Or is this just a Generic "I don't Agree, but I don't actually have anything to defend my opinion with, so I'll just say you're Wrong without Elaborating HOW" type of thing?
I'm VERY Curious as to how you think Susaano (Solid Chakra Armor and Weapons), Amaterasu (Auto-Hit Fire that never goes out), Izanagi (Rewrite reality to Cheat Death) and Kamui (Move Stuff to another Dimension, Either on someone else to Effectively Auto-Kill them, or on yourself to Avoid Damage or to teleport) Relate to the BASE abilities of the Sharingan in ANY way, Which are enhanced Perception within your Line of Sight and Built in Genjustu.
The Sharingan: does whatever the plot needs it to do.
To bad more fans haven't understood that.
In my opinion making the sharigan just able to do absolutely everything was just inconsistent and frustrating. Literally just became a get outta jail free card. Like allow the other eyes to be insane, or reduce how bonkers the sharingan is
So Boruto then 😂😂😂
I mean yea, but i want them to somehow break the baykugan then they'll have my respect 😂😂
the byakugan was so amazing was it was first introduced, i always felt like it deserved way way more credit, the way hinata was able to use her byakugan to see everything going on when pain attacked was cool too but it paled in comparison to the sharingan. the base byakugan should have been able to get way stronger as well
Why so? The people with sharingan was killed off by one of there own! So I’d say you’re talking about the elite sharingan users not the low level people who got killed off with the rest of clan. And they tied the sharingan back to sage of 6 paths. The OG god ninja.
I mean, I remember hearing in the light novel the byakugan allows one to counter/negate/cut through ninjutsu, which would be AWESOME. Sadly, not the case in the manga/anime.
in my opinion the sharingan should have mostly remained as its original conception with being able to copy jutsu and cast genjutsu. The mangekyo was cool as an evolved version of the sharingan but abilities like susanoo just blew the power scaling out of the water, especially when you get to perfect susanoo territory. I liked when it was a rival to the byakugan
facts i reallly hate the flame control of sasuke and his goddamn susaano like bruh stop just use a chidori and one shot the bad guy
For me, mangekyo was perfectly fine. It's when it became normalized that caused an issue.
If you had the Ameterasu and Tsukuyomi be forbidden jutsu that blinded you and drained your chakra and life, then that's good. If you have the Susanoo be an absolute "If I'm dying regardless, I'm taking someone with me" justu that *will* kill the user similar to the 8 hidden gates, then that's fine.
But everything after Mangekyo Sharingan was unnecessary. Itachi should've been the cap for Sharingan abilities. If anything, you could've had Madara the only Uchiha who used Susanoo and survived.
Kamui is fine, if only because you can call it a technique limited to Obito and Kakashi.
Honestly, Susanoo ought to have been a really effective genjutsu. It literally _not being real_ and this being a huge family secret (oh it burns things? It's called fire techniques which we know the family uses a lot.) because that would fit in with what the sharingan is presented as. It would require clever work to keep the secret concealed and even play into everyone managing to dodge direct hits from it, because you don't _want_ to hit them with it until you've set up an _actual_ hit that it's covering for.
@@Sorain1 that would have been insanely clever
@@bobowon5450 Hence why it didn't happen.
The Sharingan has so many transformations as Super Saiyan.
*as many transformations as
1-3 Tome, MS, EMS, Rinnegan(kind of), and 6 Tome Rinnegan in comparison to False/Semi SSJ, 1-4, God, Blue/Rose, Rage, and the various Legendary/Berserk variants of 1-4. So unless you count the various MS abilities as individual forms of the Sharingan Super Saiyan outnumbers them, but if you did you’d have to count all the other technique based variations of the various Saiyan transformations. But the fact that this is even close is still saying something.
@@coledewey3564theres nothin wrong with your comment but just sayin.
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@@lookitsdapotato5445 AYY!
@@coledewey3564god being a super saiyan form will never make sense to me, as blue is god with super saiyan combined
The Sharingan was bearable when it was just “Extreme Perception” just the power to see tiny details and to have high reaction time. But from a writing standpoint it became a symbol of the writer making every nation other than the Leaf Village perpetually less and less important which ironically makes the world feel less and less important as more and more non-elemental KKG are being given as parts of Sharingan leaving one clan with lion share of ‘special powers’ that arnt just ‘element x + element y’ which ends up making the other nations feel hollow as the focus increasingly became ‘Behold the leaf village and its eternal reincarnating god battle’
I whole heartedly agree that the Sharingan is the most broken and inconsistent thing in Naruto. But i do still absolutely love it.
Kishimoto obviously didnt plan out the different clans and dojitsus well enough. He had a picture of what he wanted them to be like but didnt execute it at all and just made up the power scales as he went
That is why for me he is a shitty writer in Shitpuden. Him being am uchiha simp made it worse.
@@mredizon00"Uchiha simp" lol damn
@@mredizon00 100% agree. funny how there was soo much uchiha lore for sasuke and yet for our main character naruto we still barely have any good grasp on the uzumaki clan except for tidbits
Ya know if Kishi actually kept the story more grounded he could have actually explored the different clans and dojutsu and develop them properly
Which is why Naruto is complete trash. Badly written plotholes, where the only thing people like about it, is not the writing, but the shipping of characters, like Sasuke x Naruto, or the "Cool looking visual effects" Where they shut off their brains, and act no different than babies with dangling car keys. Literally. If something is "Visually cool enough" They will ignore all story issues and claim it to be the best thing ever.
DBZ is an amazing example of this, where people love multiple fight scenes, but if you actually watch the fight, the people are doing the exact same 2-3 attacks in a loop for 5 minutes straight with one to two odd moves thrown in now and then.
My biggest issue with sharingan is the Byakugan. It was said to be inferior compared to it but some how it scales into oblivion and the latter is completely ignored.
ONLY 2 sharingan users remained alive... but it's seen in most of Naruto
ONLY 2 Byakugan users died.... but it's never really seen.
My headcanon is that the Hyuuga get to just make whatever propaganda claims they want about their own superiority now that the Uchiha are dead, plus the Hyuuga seem to be able to activate their bloodline much more consistently than the Uchiha. By the time of the lead up to the massacre, the Uchiha had like, what, 30% of the clan with the Sharingan? Compare that to basically every Hyuuga able to activate the Byakugan, and you can see a reason to believe that people might value the more consistent Bloodline more.
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Not when just one of your Sharingan users can absolutely obliterate Byakugan users-all of them-if they wanted to.
Which just kinda... maybe slightly... just a little... pisses me off.
I mean, the Otsutsuki were demonstrated to have the ability to project energy from their Byakugan (Kaguya before she ate the Chakra Fruit, her sons, etcetra) which really wouldn't be very... far fetched for Hyuuga to do. Seeing what most Jonin get up to, a bit of energy projection and the spectral razors or whatever that Kaguya could do (and her sons used to defend against her Byakugan) could be useful. I mean, we see Sharingan users getting stuff like Amaterasu which is essentially a 'i look at it and it dies' power, which is a lot more difficult to protect against than 'I shoot crescents of compressed air or chakra from my eyes and slice up targets' but that's whatever.
yall always have issues with all things whenever someone brings it up
if u don't like something in a series u can simply not watch it 😮
@@thatomanaka323...By that logic, If you don't like people arguing or having a discussion, then why are you here?
@@thatomanaka323this is a theory video and he's giving his opinion that's related to the video and it's not like he's trolling anyway
Honestly my main issue with the sharingan is how its ridiculously powerful base ability of basically combat future sight isn't at all expanded on with the mangekyo abilities. There feels like absolutely no through line in abilities between base sharingan and mangekyo except for Tsukuyomi and the base sharingan genjutsu, which doesn't have a name and just generally feels extremely hand wavey in that "the sharingan genjutsu just kind of does whatever we need it to in the moment. Whether that be sleep, paralysis, mind control, sending information, hallucination, etc."
"EMS dosnt work by swapping eyes, it works by melding eyes" Uhm, hes mixing-up 'How it definetly, absolutely definetly hsould have been' and 'how it is'
I know so specifically cause this and the sillyness of the fact Sasukes original eyes 'apparently' are lying
in some random caves till this day, is a big Pet-Peeve i have
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@@slevinchannel7589 it's weird they didn't just do tradsies
@slevinchannel7589 Yea I mean, they were supposedly doing eye transplants. I don't think they had a specific eye-melding medical procedure that they would also call a transplant. I think a more appropriate way of explaining this melding, is that it's not the eyes that are melded but the eye "powers" and characteristics with new wielder's optical chakra.
@@foxcloakthey probably tried trading, then somebody said "you first" and left the other Uchiha blind lol
Tomoe were the base sharingans. 3 tomoe was the final version of the normal sharingans
Going back 10 years or so, the general belief on many of the forums was that the sharingan was being inflated by the publisher influence. The way I always interpreted the sharingan was that it was an eye which could see high amounts of detail without needing to adjust focus and which was just faster in terms of reaction speed. That it allowed for some powerful genjutsu if you looked into it was a bit kooky, but eyes can be seen as captivating and a window into the soul, so, it worked.
When it started getting weird was when it stopped being an advanced eye and started to become green rocks that allowed for invoking the gods. This seemed to be the influence of the publishers/editors, who initially wanted the sasuke/naruto rivalry and who thus wanted more sharingan merchandising deals.
Narratively, you could basically replace Sasuke with Neji and you'd have a similar plot up through the chuunin arc with the b-line being actual interaction between Naruto and Hinata.
This was an extremely obvious point to me when I was looking at the concept art for the series. Sasuke was not in the picture and both Hinata and Neji appeared. Sakura was not in the picture, either. The entire arc up to the chuunin exams, as Kishimoto envisioned it, was one where the rivalry was between Neji and Naruto. The editors really, really wanted a showdown between Naruto and Sasuke for that arc, but Kishimoto wrote Naruto swearing over Hinata's blood and beating the natural genius - restoring order to a troubled family.
The fan service was the rest of the fluff that followed was fluff.
Neji: a natural prodigy with a crazy set of eyes who is bitter toward his younger cousin because his father was executed over some political ordeal, there's a cursed mark to control him, and he believes his uncle was the one to orchestrate the death of his father.
Sasuke: a child prodigy with crazy eyes who is bitter toward his brother for killing everyone in his clan and believes said brother orchestrated everything.
O how similar those stories turn out.
Hinata: a shy girl who feels inferior to both her younger sister and older cousin, timid, and unfit to assume the role as the eldest of the head family. Takes inspiration from Naruto's successes in rising up despite his status and standing.
Sakura: supposedly a smart, aspiring young girl who is beautiful and wanted by all the guys, except sasuke, who ignores her. Generally exists as a reason to spark the rivalry between Sasuke and Naruto.
Contrast the alternate universe storyline - rather than Naruto getting upset because Saukura keeps fawning after Sasuke, we get a storyline where Naruto takes notice of Hinata's lack of hatred for him. The various flashback scenes likely become core plot mechanics that push a bit of a romeo/juliet or lady&the tramp setup where Naruto takes note of and issue with Neji's treatment of Hinata and the rivalry sets off, to fully mature at the chuunin exams, where Hinata embraces Naruto's ethos and enrages Neji to the point of murder - which then gets our blood oath.
Rather than a team of naruto-sasuke-sakura, we probably get naruto-kiba-hinata as a sort of force recon element where Naruto can be the blunt instrument. His shadow clone ability is also not that much different from shino's insects. Shino seems to exist in order to round out an otherwise well developed team chemistry. Kurenai is, also, overdeveloped relative to characters like Asuna. Kakashi as a guest trainer/assistant with Kurenai as the main team lead balances things back out. The wave arc plays out much the same, and the forest of death also plays out similarly - just with orochimaru after Hinata's eyes because she doesn't have the cursed seal. Thus putting the whole plot with Neji's father front and center.
Rather than sasuke being captured, it is Hinata who must be rescued. Perhaps she does end up desiring power and goes with orochimaru - though that's a bit speculative. Thus, we have the setup for shipuuden.
Although - that could have been the conclusion, Hinata is rescued, Naruto has become a hero who saved the pricess from orochimaru, and the family in turmoil is on the path to healing.
Shipuuden could then be an alternate timeline where Hinata lusted after power - or perhaps her injury from Neji needs to be healed and Kabuto/Orochimaru plan to do that. However, the core plot of shipuuden revolves around the resurrection of an ancient god. Without all the distractions from the sharingan, we jump strate to the legend of kaguya and the fruit being the source of all ninjutsu and her son being the sage of six paths who sealed her and divided her power into the tailed beasts. The twist is that the uzumaki are the original shamanistic tribe skilled in the sealing arts who maintained the chakra tree and the sage of six paths was the son of kaguya and one of these tribesmen - which gives rise to the rinnegan.
This is where Nagato comes from and his significance - a child between an uzumaki clan and hyuuga clan member.
We merge obito and nagato's stories and arcs together to get most of the storyline we got. We get some amusing drama because the whole cloud nation ordeal that was central to the events of the chuunin arc come full circle in the defense of Bee.
The power of the tailed beasts is collected and then we get "The Last" ... sort of - because Hinata is the chosen vessel to hold the resurrected goddess/power.
Naruto saves the day, either by preventing Hinata being taken over by kaguya or by his relationship with Hinata subverting the whole idea - quelling the anger of the sealed goddess, or something.
Damn
holy fuck thats a whole ass chapter of a comment god damn
I'm okay with a "weak" person just staying "weak": I think it can be very compelling that some people may have abilities in a world of superpowers just chose to be "normal" and live otherwise unassuming lives. It happens in life too, some people just choose to fizzle out and that's ok.
My issue is how almost every single woman in the series is this. The one woman who doesn't date or get married in the Konoha 11 is Tenten, the least developed, least cared about, and probably the weakest character of the entire main cast.
Neji was ALWAYS a better character than sus'ke to me
I didn't even know that 🤔 an yea neji was NOT ONLY a better fighter than sus'ke but he had better use of his eyes aswell
Sus'ke should've died instead of neji tbh 🤷
I personally liked the concept of the sharingan
At least as portrayed initially in the first arc
Where it was a trump card very heavy on chakra consumption that made user able to copy or slightly anticipate their opponents
The fight with zabusa in particular
We were fed the lore of the 3 ocular powers with the sharingan being ranked below the byakugan(they did not even had the whole seal to prevent theft) and a misterious 3rd power (the rinnegan) about which at the time we knew literally nothing
The problem is that the sharingan kept ammaiante insane power up and perks
Like controlling the tailed beast
Then we were introduced with itachi with the awakened sharingan
And from there pure insanity
Amaterasu a unstoppable ranged black flame cast by vision
Tsukuyomi a perfect illusory art
Sudano a weird giant armour than make the user nearly invulnerable and greatly extend their attack power
Perfect susanoo
A skyscraper like giant armour with the power to go fight on equal terms with failed beast and able to cut mountains
Izanami and izanagi
Basically a reset button to cheat death or able to imprison your opponent in a loop
At that point the only thing the sharingan could not do was preparing breakfast
Controlling tailed beasts wouldn't have been bad if it was an ability that required a large group of them to manage to put a tailed beast under genjutsu, and thus the reason the entire Uchiha were suspected of the 9 Tails attack was because Madara was the only Uchiha in known history to be able to control a tailed beast by himself.
I always understood that Obito's sharingan was close ranged (Not just personal) and Kakashi's is long ranged. Obito has taken other's into the dimension but doesn't have the long range capabilities as Kakashi. Meanwhile, Kakashi can do long range kamui but ALSO when he used it on himself to transfer out of the dimension he is seen putting his hand over his eye. If we think of Kakashi's kamui as a bullet going through the air teleporting what ever it hits, he simply hit his hand in front of his eye and extended it to his entire body. As for why he never went INTO the dimension before, up until the fight with Obito he has been using this ability to attempt to one-shot people. He might not have the knowledge that wherever it goes afterwards is safe until he was forced in there by Obito. As for how Kakashi can use a perfect susanoo without going through the other stages is I believe the susanoo has two requirements independent of eachother. 1. two eyes simultaneously in order to manifest one and 2. an experienced MS. Essentially while Obito couldn't manifest a susanoo with one eye, his MS still gained quite a bit of experience (Or matured) as Hashirama cells kept repairing it and he never got to a point of blindness where he could no longer advance it like Itachi. Therefore when throw both eyes into Kakashi with the maturity / experience Obito achieved with his MS you are left with Kakashi being able to bypass all levels to a perfect susanoo.
Agreed. My headcanon is that the long-range eye could always transfer the user to the Kamui dimension. Put yourself in Kakashi's shoes for a second. You have an ability that allows you to look at something and make it disappear forever. Why on god's green earth would you ever attempt to test that on your own body? That's like hitting yourself with a Rasengan to see what'd happen; yeah maybe you unlock a cool new skill but more likely you die
I thought the same
I like the first theory but the 2nd one not so much it’s pretty clear that Kakashi is not nearly as experienced as Obito with kamui, at best i think Kakashi should have been able to form a half susano like Itachis because of one experienced eye and one relatively low experience, like Kakashi wasn’t even starting to blind yet.
I get the feeling Kakashi just didn’t have the skill to use it for an entire body teleport at the time hense Mamui sniping body parts instead of entire ppl. At least until the war arc
@@Jinogazino kakashi had the perfect susanoo because it was cool to end like that, theres no reason in trying to explaining it...
that being said, i believe that kakashi had as EMS, the explanation is quite simple:
both his eyes (a previous mangekyou owner) and obito's eyes mended (just like we are told EMS is awakened) we can even uphold the "not needing to be currently with mangekyou eyes" part 9since kakashi wasnt) by some things showed in this video, like madara using susanoo with no eyes
the "need for a close relative" part of the lore could be explained by chakra compatibilities, wich would fit in this case, since obito's chakra existed in kakashi's body for over half his life (in the mangekyou eye) and even after having it removed some could have left
and the format of the eye, well, they mended both energy/chakra of two different persons, but the eye format was the same, there was nothing to change
i know, its a headcannon where the "head" part is delucional
The Sharingan was good at the beginning but then everything began to go downhill after the Eternal Mangekyou was introduced, the Eternal version broke the balance of those eyes and the power scale rised up to the space.
Powers in any media need to be balanced or else they become ridiculous to the point were the author can just make up whatever he wants and say "This was possible from the start, Don't like it? Though sh1+" and we can only take it even if is absurd, the Sharingan was great but then it became the equivalent of the games i played as a kid, games that were basically "There! i shot you with my finger gun and you´re dead" "Nuh uh, your bullet bounced into me because i'm Robocop", that's what the Sharingan became, just a plot device that worked however Kishimoto wanted so he could move the story forward.
Great comment. Good to see more Naruto fans identifying the issue.
Thing is m.s. was already bad.
Why zabuza. He states how sharingan works. It uses piercing perception.
And hypnotic eye(obito says yin release)
... ok tsukiyomi... ya not bad it's hypnosis
Amaterasu. ... is it 🤨 🤔 a illusion?
Kamui?
Susano?
Ya... also
It gave a wierd narrative to try and justify Sasuke leaving village.
M.s. was the start
No, sharigan was great in early naruto, it was a usefull "power", but then kishimoto decided to ruin it and make it do everything to the point that Sasuke based all his fighting style around susanoo and amaterasu
Giving the deuterogonist an ocular power, whose rules and powers could be changed and used as a deu ex machina, was just one of the many problems of this manga, which I have a soft spot for. The other was to give us an expanded cast of characters, with interesting abilities, and then proceed to waste them spectacularly post time skip. The latter os hardly a naruto exclusive problem, but still.
From what i understand the Sharingan being totally OP was largely the editors who saw how popular it was and wanted it to be more focused on and expanded on.
The Based Sharingan is fine. It’s when you get the susanoo is and EMS, MS that ruined it. But I do like the concept where the Sharingan evolves and each individual gets its own abilities
It used to just be able to see your enemies jutsu and being able to use any jutsu
I'd argue Ssusanno should've been the cap.
Basic Sharingan is fine. Meanwhile, Mangekyou Sharingan is a very rare transformation. Using it quickly weakens your vision to blindness. Ameterasu and Tsukuyomi are abilities that focus on Uchiha's fire release and the Sharingan's use of hypnotism and genjutsu. The Ssusanno, however, is the final ace in the hole, manifesting the user's entire chakra into a Goliath armor to fight with until it burns up. This would kill the user and act as the Uchiha's variation of the Reaper Death Seal of sorts.
You could argue that the Izanami and Izanami are jutsu based upon Tsukuyomi but were considered myths and folktales even rarer than the Mangekyou Sharingan.
The Sharingan and by extension all superpowers are interesting because of their limitations. If it allows the user to read an opponent's movements what are the broader applications. Discovering that it allows the user to copy jutsu is really cool. Does it detect lies, traps, Genjutsu? The constant evolution of the Sharingan takes away from that excitement and potential exploration. The MS, on the other hand, only works with the idea that you must sacrifice your closest connection Aztec style. It being some kind of perverse, Dark-side, Sith form of the Sharingan. Something only a heartless killer would have, someone who massacred their family out of spite or a desire for ultimate power.
Yeah, same applies to magic or tech. Limits are more interesting than abilities.
I have always thought that sharingan was so many times used as a cheap way to get the plot in the direction the writer wanted to go and never was true to the rules stated previously in the universe, I'm glad that you address this, as you obviously know more than me and I would never be able to explain all the points that are not consistent and the ones that have some good explanation in the manga, haven't read all of it recently so no way I know all about it, great work on this one Nick
I know I'm so happy that a mainstream youtuber covered this.
But I can cover these points more or less in order of appearance it will help form a picture of the problem this eye has. The first point is long do to establishment of the context of its actual power structure.
The second time we see it. S
Zabusa vs. Kakashi. WE LEARN IT USES TWO ABILITYS THE PIERCING EYE AND HYPNOTIC EYE
We learn that it works through the piercing eye also known as the eye of insight: This gives sharingan several befits.
Namely the ability to see every move in the finest detail.
So think of a high resolution high speed camera. We learn later in the chunin exams. That this also let's them perceive genjutsu. (The illusion clones forest of death have the yin symbol in the clone) this is further expanded on and truly confirmed that the sharingan posses the power to see chakra to a extent.(deidara vs sasuke)
THIS ABILITY IS WHAT ALLOWED SASUKE TO READ NARUTO IN NINE TAILS IN PRT 1 HE SAID
EVERY SUBTLE STEP EVERY CHANGE IN MOMENTUM AND THE IMAGE OF HIS NEXT MOVE BECOMES CLEAR.
hypnotic eye: it is very self explanatory it makes illusions which is yin release you can hypnotism and control. Confuse. Sky is the limit.
Zabuza said emplying the above the above powers makes it appear that kakasi could see the future.
The piercing eye facilitated the mimicry and copying
So ergo kakashi doesn't have the power to copy he uses powers of sharingan to copy.
This remained all sharingan could do for a fairly long time
THEN CAME THE INCONSISTENCY
TSUKIYOMI on initial site it just seemed like eye of hypnotism on absolute Crack.
Powerful but high Chakra strain. That's fine.
AMATERASU wink wink black flames 🔥 I have fire... 😅 um how does a eye that does illusions and sees better get to this.
Then mangekyou became mystical that only a few mastered. And then u have to get it through killing a freind. Ok hyper mystical.
I'm beginning to see a achmed the dead terrorist bigger arrow analogy.
Narativly this was done for drama. And to help explain the prt 1 valley fight. But narratively it was flimsy and power system it was not good
Then too make it more consistently inconveniently inconsistent
KAMUI dimensions. Now it has 3 powers. 2 have nothing to do with its o.g power structure.
SUSANO at this point I finally realized they were just going to be inconsistent and give it new abilities whenever.
Now I could maybe see susano in a illusion. Or as a spiritual summon maybe a ninjutsu. But how is it in anyway illusionary.
KAGASUTSUCHI now flames that couldn't be controlled can as nick stated.
KOTOAMATSUKAMI now it's a eye that can up and rewrite who u r.
It can also do it without eye contact... ok it's genjutsu I could maybe see a master doing it as it aligns. But breaking away from sight.... come on power creep.
Then izanagi and izanami later. And as nick stated o.p. as sin.
I could maybe see izanami the time loop one becuase it's so quick but again withought sight.
Izanagi it can create actual substance ok this one is becuase of the use of senju. Which I do think was used to explain it. But at least it's consistent there.
But still to o.p for it to be in its form.
Then meteors
Then wait it really is a watered down rinnegan that wait came from this.
AS IT WAS O.G. IT WAS A BUETIFFULY INSPIRED TOOL. AS IT BECAME. IT WAS A PLOT DEVICE.
NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE POWERS COULD HAVE WORKED.
WITH A BIT OF LIMITS.
1) first and foremost just do away with the m.s. e.m.s. distinctions. No power ups no death.
Keep to it's magic structure.
2)the idea that utilizing to much Chakra in the eyes could dmg them isn't far fetched. In fact gives it fair balance.
3)powers that belong/and reworked
Tsukiyomi (belongs it's fine)
Kotoamatsukami belongs however it needs a big nerf. Namely making it totaly undetected needs nerf. The fact it doesn't need eye contact is to big of a break away from. Structure.
These two genjutsu could a be passed down or learned. Etc. Some perhaps forbidden due to Chakra strain.
This makes these powers balanced and narratively better.
4 )these powers could be present bust as jutsu.
Amaterasu perhaps a passed down enhanced fire style skill to enhance other fire style jutsu.
Or perhaps a fire style that is infused with yin possibility are endless
Kamui same thing however it should have been in use as a jutsu perhaps for phasing maybe teleporting. But sucking people into a sharingan. No
Susano maybe a genjutsu or a summon. Not physical
But ya. It was a mess
I alluded to this above and I realize I'm long winded.
This one is brief.
But think about if itachi was simple so impressive he could make his fire ball black. Or strap u in a mind melting genjutsu. Does that narratively say more than oof I killed my best friend.
BYACKUGAN.
This is relevant in prt to above.
It was established early sharingan descended but for the power of insight it was better. Kakashi says this
I will say this wat again is power of insight. It's the power sharingan uses to perceive detail.
Think about that. And what that actualy implies.
It has no other power.
Most know that the eye sees Chakra points. And 359 degrees. And through objects.
MOST HOWEVER MISS THE SIMPLE FACT what gives it the powers in first place 😕 insight. One of the two main powers of sharingan
It really wasn't used as a cheap way to get the plot in the direction the writer wanted to go much and it was true to the rules stated previously, I mean most are at least consistent,
@@Jdudec367ok I just gave a running list if your gonna make statements prove them. U believe there consistent prove it. I can right a book on here abt it.
U never addresses my arguments either.
I think the mangekyou was peak sharingan writing wise. Not the eternal mangekyou, the regular one, where youre so limited, YOU also are terrified, in a sense, when you have to use it, cause you're trading your vision (and your visual powers altogether).
The eternal concept was really cool at first, but really turnt out terribly. Not only that, but Obito really had eternal without having it. Sasuke used his mangekyou and soon after almost went blind, whilst Obito teleported left and right all the time.
The horror of seeing a mangekyou alone felt like the peak of power, bc it was supposed to be a life or death.
All the rinnesharigan/6 tomoe rinne/whateverthefuck sharingan always leaved me indifferent.
I liked the rinegan by itself, specifically Pain's, cause it was such a cool, unique, mysterious concept. After that, meh.
Itachi's MS also is insanelly fun because you can see how Itachi himself is worn out by it. Even on his first fight...
Tsukuyomi made an "eternal" time warp, but he had to pay the chakra cost based on the time inside it and not outside so a few seconds could drain him completelly.
Amaterasu was fucking insane, but Itachi had to use it so caefully because he couldnt control it and a single ember touching him could mean death.
Even Kakashi's Kamui... He could only drag small things and was completelly exausted after a couple uses. Shisui could only use once every frw years...
And them there's Obito, Madara and Sasuke who just won the power lotery and can do any bullshit they want with no drawbacks.
Obito had Hashirama cells which give a BIG powerboost to the Sharingan... I mean... That shit reduced the kotoamatsukami cooldown from 10 years to a day,Madara was an edo tensei,and even after fully reviving he had Hashirama cells too,even whitout that he was only there for a day,,and with the exception of susannoo we never SEE he using any other mangekyo ability,even then Its been showed before when Madara Sharingan First evolved into Rinnegan he was healed from blindness from using izanagi... Soo yeah... Madara and obito spamming was justified... Sasuke tough...Just because he had eternal eyes
Sharingan is like if the design team for an MMO decided to just keep adding features onto one class and buffing it, maybe occasionally nerfing and reworking certain features and making a surprised Pikachu face when that class proceeds to outscale other classes, yet being strangely inconsistent in certain scenarios.
I was just rewatching the fight where Madara stomps the alliance, and I noticed something. Gaara also has the ability to rip somebody right out of their Susano'o, he pulled Madara out of his with his sand like it was nothing. While it is arguable that Madara's Susano'o was not complete in that scene, let's not forget that Sasuke withstood a blow that should've killed him *multiple times over.* Using just the ribcage. It was presented like Isshiki pulling Sasuke out of Susano'o was some big thing, but you don't even have to be an Ohtsutsuki to do that.
It's such weird nonsense because Sasuke was protected from A's _lightning enhanced_ Liger Bomb yet the Mizukage melted those very same ribs with Boil Release. Which heavily implied that if Sasuke didn't get bailed for like the third time in that entire arc, he would've died to just Boil Release.
His susanno was incomplete and had a weak spot that is a lack of legs. Madara was susannos legs. So some undeground technique should bypass susanno defense
I absolutely agree with your sentiment on being a fan of any show..... a good fan will be able to point out a flaw in a given piece of media because they want that media to be the best it could possibly be.
I feel like things would have been more balanced if they 1) kept it so that, in order to evolve the Sharingan, you have to do something so heinous that it cuts you off from humanity forever and 2) if they'd given other Hiden Jutsu and Bloodline techniques similar amps.
Remember how, in Part 1, the Byakugan was seen as better than the Sharingan? Yeah, Pepperidge Farm remembers. But seriously, it's like "Oh, your eye lets you see a little into the future and copy ninjutsu? Well mine lets me shut down your entire ability to use the magic system." The Byakugan was better than the Sharingan in Part 1. The problem is that it didn't keep up. It didn't get the ridiculous evolutions that the Sharingan did. No other technique evolved like the Sharingan did, and Kishimoto retconned it so the Mangekyou didn't require the most heinous act imaginable to acquire and more people got access to it, with the result being that you have to wonder how the Uchiha didn't just conquer the entire world since they're so ridiculously unbalanced.
Hoo boy "Pepperidge Farm Remembers" is such an oldie. Brother, we are ancient...😮💨
I do miss the days when you legit had to be a wretched person to unlock crazier and more detrimental powers. Like villains should be able to overpower you at some point, but the lesson being they'll self-destruct at the hands of their own hubris is so much more impactful than Sarada crying to her daddy and then giving him the Mangekyou Stink Eye. But it's fine, Boruto is a watered down sequel for less mentally mature individuals. Unfortunately, it only got that way because someone told Kishimoto to tone Naruto down or the West would burn him at the stake and refuse to give the publisher money. Naruto should've been grittier. It was perfectly dark in part one and dumbed down come Shippuden, and that cost us so much just... GOOD, I guess, it cost us so much good.
@@keythealien If you have only read the manga you should watch episode 192 and episode 220 of Boruto.
The show is pretty dark but it's very deliberate and shows restraint with it's use of darker themes I would argue that makes it more suitable for "mentally mature individuals".
Also most of the "Mangekyou Stink Eye" that we have seen awakened has been from a person witnessing and suffering from the death of a friend not from killing them you know Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, Shisui, just to name a few. I felt like there was more to Itachi then someone just killing for power ever since Sasuke said to Kakashi that his only ambition was to kill a particular person. Personally I find it darker and more tragic that Itachi wasn't just some psychopath.
The Byakugan was never seen as better than the Sharingan lmao. That was only said due to bias of the Hyuga family and disdain of the Uchiha. The ability to instantly copy and master speed, strength, and ninjutsu was always better than the ability to see chakra points and tailor a taijutsu off that fact. Neji nor his uncle could stand a chance against someone like Itachi for example 😂
Also only 7 people in the show had MS not including Kakashi cause we know the story there. 7 out of an entire clan is a tiny ass amount of people. Also, where are you getting this heinous act bullshit from? Sasuke was evolving his eye by tapping into his pain of his brother murdering his entire family and not feeling strong enough to live to kill him. He never had to beat or kill anybody to unlock that shit😂
_"Oh, your eye lets you see a little into the future and copy ninjutsu?"_
I like how you conveniently left out genjutsu, which is basically an instant win.
I like the part where you explained why the sharingan was a mistake,
in contrast to the part where you talked about how there are a lot of plot holes in the way the sharingan evolves through the course of the series.
The first implies that there is something inherently wrong with the idea of the Sharingan that significantly detracted from what Naruto could have been without it.
The second is simply pointing out ways in which an otherwise good idea and important plot device was used poorly in specific instances.
You could try writing a story of fanfiction yourself and you'll understand how plot holes and basic understanding comes into place. Kishimoto just wrote the story bad or the world that he created. You'll just kind of got carried away by 1 or 2 episodes rather than the whole story
MS was definitely made up on the fly, cause in OG Naruto, every time Itachi used his tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, he used it from base sharingan. Even in flashbacks. But in shippuden, those same flashbacks featured the MS pattern. I think he made the sharingan get stronger in order to give sasuke more level ups so he could be equal to Naruto’s level ups through sage mode and Kurama modes
I’m glad he is open to admit that he has an open mind to point out flaws in anime or anything in general. Because like he said people that think something is perfect isnt a healthy way to show appreciation of anything
I think the Kamui could be explained through the particular way they “misuse” it. Kakashi uses his but puts his hand out in front of his face and maybe uses kamui on his hand to teleport himself into the kamui dimension. And then obito makes contact with Kakashi with his hand then uses his kamui to teleport himself and kakashi as he’s making contact with him?
100% but how did Madara do it? He didnt look at himself. He just did the Obito warp.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I agree with you entirely. Madara is a waking plothole. Lol. Because he’s Madara 😅
@@dylanlunsford5749 Maybe his second MS ability is to subcontiously use creation of all things and rewrote Kamui 😂
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm he looked at the point of his nose
@@Lucas-g5e8bfucking dead 😂
The way I see Kamui working is that Kakashi can just use the same mechanic as he always does, just aimed at his own body. It doesn't necessarily give him that intangibility either, but before learning about Obito he didn't want to risk trying to use Kamui on his own body
Not only that, but we saw that Kakashi didn't have enough chakra to create a portal to Kamui dimension big enough or for long enough to be able to jump inside it, as we saw in his encounter with Deidara.
I assume that he got stronger during the war arc and that's how he got out of Kamui dimension.
Great video. A topic that a lot of people ignore but when it evolved into this "it can do whatever the script needs" thing it became stupid. I honestly always hated the fact that they can control Tailed Beasts effortlessly (which in the own universe narrative, you use chackra to break out the genjutsu, and you have beings that are literally giant things made of chackra not being able to do it)
Bro same. And it's ridiculous 🙄 😒 this Fandom just doesn't get basic writing
sandersons laws, look them up, they align very well with what you’re talking about. Especially the one that goes “consistent limitations are more interesting to see and be worked with than the powers themselves”
Unfortunately most writers getting takin on there own band wagon
And they get caught in rule of cool
Also for Madara and his brother not thinking about swapping eyes I am pretty sure no one knew about the EMS. His brother gave Madara his eyes because they weren't used as much and weren't as blind as Madara's. It just so happened that doing that unlocked a new stage of power above what the accepted peak was.
made sense for that time they were the first, then also the corruption of the uchiha tablet
That would be a fuck up on Black Zetsus part then. If his plan involves Uchiha to evolve their Sharingan, then why leave out this crucial bit of information, and hope that someone just lucks into an EMS
Glad you made this video cause I remember watching the anime back in the day and around the mid 2nd to third act of the war arc kishimoto COMPLETELY threw out the rule book of A LOT of things just set the whole goddamn book on fire😂
My only issue with the sharingan was it had so few weaknesses. Had there been more limits on using the sharingan or better ways to counter it then I would have been fine with it.
the funny thing is a lot of the op abilities have huge weaknesses but the characters always work around it like hashiramas cells to negate ms or hashirama cells for kotoamatskami cooldown or ems to negate ms weakness or getting spare eyes for izanagi
You sound salty
The interesting thing is, the Mangekyo Sharingan had an excellent weakness. In that constant usage of it will eventually turn you blind, as demonstrated by Sasuke who nearly went blind after like 1 and a half arc of using it. So there is a logical limit to using the Mangekyo, beyond the great chakra cost of the techniques.
The biggest problem, at least for me, is that the limitation of requiring to use too much chakra was quickly thrown away with no reasonable explanation.
Base sharagan has plenty of weaknesses one being it can’t copy other kekei genkai’s making it far less effective when fighting other clans
There is a way to counter them . Reincarnate Tobirama .😂
The Sharingan wasn’t a mistake, it was just too much and too strong/OP. Kishimoto could scratch 30-50% of the “features” and give it to the Byakugan instead. Would also make it way more balanced.
my issue with Sharingan is the massive gaping plot hole that their missuse (and the missuse of Byakugan) created.
Like, when you know *how* genjutsu works, you understand why sharingan facilitate it's use and why both eyes should be *immune* to it.
Like, when you realise that Byakugan and Sharingan should counter each others (one can copy the techniques of the other and the other can lock all techniques of the first).
Like, when Kishi created new abilities out of his ass to write himself out of the corner he wrote himself in, which caused the biggest corner in which he wrote himself in, which needed a cosmic being to curbstomp the corner and clear the slate for continuing the story. (yeah, more abilities to the Sharingan = more power to Obito and Madara, thus this led to the Kaguya arc which came out of nowhere)
The worst part of this kind of ideas, is that when you begin unraveling that, it also shows more and more plot holes and writing mistakes, that needed more and more BS to resolve... Simply put, in my mind : Sharingan is a very interesting tool that was so badly used it destroyed the entire story.
Well said.
Its o.g. abilities as defined by zabuza.
Piercing andhypnotic eye.
Extreme visual clarity and chakra perception(would allow it to read the function of any jutsu.)
Also seeing chakra allows it to see genjutsu.
The hypnotic
Illusions.
We see kakashi use it to cast ninjutsu galore
Itachi shows up and shows us the power of its genjutsu when he reversed kurenais. That made sesne he seen its funtion copied in broke out and used his eyes to throw it back.
But then the m.s. stuff...😢eck
The o.g. abilities offered but loads of potential.
And byackugan is slept on.
Everyone excepts these powers.
Telescopic
Xray
359 degree.
And chakra sight
Now if kakashi said its insight(which the community has always tried to say its different from piercing)
Which then why would kakashi say with insight alone it gets the better of sharingan.
Context of him describing its vision in comparison to his own also shows that insight and piercing eye are two words for the same power.
People aay it cant see in slow motion.
Lol. Thats why neji could see lee in 5th gate when he fought garra
Or how he was able to dodge thousands of weopons. ...
If anyone in a anime community can read between the lines. Its obvious that its every vision based thing sharingan has byckugan has better.
The balance on sharingan is it had a second power.
Sad that people dont get its the piercing eye that gives copying becuase it can see the (CHAKRA)
AND SIGNS of enemy...😂
What does byackugan do.
It sees the full chakra network in its entirely and can see through things.
At high frame rate.
Hm wats holding back byackugan copying.
Oh wait neji learned the 64 palms and rotation from observation(watching it)
My guess for how kakashi and Obito can use the others eye power is because the eyes are linked in sets even if not attached to the same person. Having one of the two eyes let's you access both if the other is near by, and since kakashi was in the kamui dimension (a single dimension created by their eyes together) he was technically in range to access obitos power.
He also kinda targeted his hand infront of his eye, rather then warp himself directly.
That doesn't explain how Madara did it thou.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm Because Madara was a human God. Lol
Maybe it doesn’t need a target? Probably just need a general location other than himself.
Another plothole (or bad writing) is how good Sasuke got with his sharingan without a mentor. He had stamina issues, much like his brother, so I find it hard to believe he was able to automatically use the sharingan in a short time without being confused. I get his basically a reincarnated god but still... lazy writing. This further enforces the idea that Sasuke should have stayed with Team 7 and kept training with Kakashi.
Why can't sasuke just be a fast learner with his sharingan? There's literally no issues with that
@nonameneeded2943 Because one of the arguments against Sasuke is that everything was handed to it. An integral part of his arc was him realizing Naruto, a nobody at the time, was catching up and in some aspects surpassing him. Another point in his "I'm not good enough" arc was when he realized that even after defecting from the Leaf, he STILL was leagues lower than Itachi. Naruto vs Sasuke has story beats of hard work vs natural born talent. We see a shift after the rooftop fight that Sasuke realizes even though he's a prodigy that will only get him so far.
@alexz.8302 what does any of this have to do with sasuke being a faster learner ans being able to adapt to new abilities at a speedy pace?
@@nonameneeded2943cause if he was a faster learner then in the terms of the naruto verse he would if been more of a prodigy beyond itachi since itachi had his sharingan for a while and learned to use it from other uchihas, sasuke had not a single person to teach him how to use it besides kakashi who only taught him jutsus and Chakra control not much on the sharingan or how to control/use it.
Sasuke did have mentors though, several of them. He had Kakashi who taught him about the sharingan, he had Orochimaru who taught him to use his Sharingan better, he had comments (as a kid) from Itachi about how to use it, and he had Obito.
I'm glad you talked about this. When it comes to Sasuke's Sharingan, I knew this would be a problem when Sasuke lost his Rinnegan. We all know that the point of Sasuke losing his Rinnegan is to put him in the same boat as Naruto without Kurama so Boruto era shinobi can take the lead as the new main power class. Kishimoto's plan to weaken Sasuke doesn't work the same like Naruto due to this.
In truth, Sasuke's nerf should have been far more significant than Naruto. Sasuke would have lost his Rinnegan, Amaterasu , and Susanoo.
As for Izanagi, right on all parts. I can't tell you how many times I've commented on various videos about Sasuke and his lost Rinnegan and arm, where I had to bring up that Sasuke could have and should have used Izanagi. Izanagi is too good of a jutsu for the series because Sasuke could have saved his Rinnegan if he had used it.
Imagine after the entire fight with Boruto and everything cools down, Sasuke uses Izanagi to get his Rinnegan back. He then goes to Orochimaru to have him make a clone Sharingan replacement for him. And now that you've brought it up, why hasn't Sasuke gone to Orochimaru to at least TRY to get his Rinnegan back?
Probably feels he doesn't deserve it
@@gabrielkawa3477 I don't see why he would think that. If he wants to save Boruto and protect the village, let alone the world, then he should have done everything in his power to get his Rinnegan back.
@@Mangaka-Knightisn’t Boruto also a story about Naruto and Sasuke getting weaker and weaker. No chance he tries to get his rinnegan back
@@matt7352 Yeah, I mentioned it above. I understand that the story of Boruto is about the next generation taking over. My problem is that the Narutoverse has way to many options to overcome these nerfs that are placed on the characters. The only way it works, is for you to ignore all of the previous lore of the story to make what is currently happen plausible.
At the end of the day, there is no reason as to why Sasuke didn't get his Rinnegan back. Izanagi, at the cost of a Sharingan, can warp reality, turning illusions into reality and vice versa. Sasuke could not only get his Rinnegan back at any time he wanted, but also restore his arm and then use his restored Rinnegan to heal his lost Sharingan after using Izanagi.
And then we also have Orochimaru and the very fact that Orochimaru and other key characters from Naruto not showing up in Boruto is telling of Kishimoto avoiding characters who would be able to fix a lot of these problems going on.
Just watched this video regarding Kamui the argument was how could Obito subconsciously utilize the MS ability without the MS eye being active. However, if it is viewed as one eye for attack and the other eye for defense it would technically make sense that as a defensive ability the MS eye would not need to activate to protect the user rather subconsciously protects, whereas the attack eye the one given to Kakashi would require activation and use of the ability therefore needing the eye to be visible and causing the eventual blindness. I dunno just my two thoughts
My favorite fight when the sharingan was in use was definitely Kikashi vs. Sabuza.
Seeing the immitation of another ninja in both actions and jutsu was eerie and unnerving.
I would have loved for them to have treated the ms just like another stage of the sharingan, kinda like getting another tomoe. You get access to some new jutsu, tracking gets better blah blah, cool. I think making each one have crazy and unique abilities, though a really cool concept, introduced a really easy way for plot convenience.
Surprised Itachi wasn't brought up when talking about how the eye can use your imagination to cheat reality. He could've used it to heal his illness by simply coming back, not sick 😂 i believe you brought it up in a previous video, too.
Sometimes I imagine that sage of six paths chakra is just creation of all things chakra, which is a yin-yang release that requires mastery over all chakra natures but is infact learnable. I often wonder if mastering creation of all things could allow Sasuke to activate his other rinnegan, allow naruto to revive kurama and allow Kakashi to regain the power of his lost sharingan.
All three of which have mastered every chakra nature or almost every chakra nature
The requirements for unlocking something =/ the requirements for using something thereafter. Kakashi with no sharingans was able to use both kamui abilities later on in the war arc.
I think it really should have ended at “can assist with copying jutsu, and casting genjutsu”
The aspect of “it can analyze motions and can almost predict future actions” should have been a power given to the byakugan
And absolutely get rid of susano’o, izanami, and izanagi. Yes, they’re cool abilities, but too OP.
The MOST insane ability I’d permit is maybe Amaterasu. But we’re talking about hat being the ABSOLUTE strongest ability of the sharingan and restricted to MS
To be fair to Kakashi's Full Body Susanoo; that feels less like Sharingan inconsistency and more like Sage of Six Paths Chakra is just that ridiculously strong that it can bypass the normal requirements. It would also explain why Indra could do it without EMS either.
Kakashi can and could always enter the Kamui dimension. His ability works by creating a vortex that splits the boundaries between dimensions and allows objects through, as explained in his fight against Deidara. Nothing in this description is stopping him from creating a vortex and stepping through or creating a vortex around himself. He just doesn't have intangibility so he can't just teleport the part of his body away that's about to be hit by an attack. At least not without ripping a gaping hole into his body.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious. One is the vortex, while the other made the vortex.
Woah, thx for this I feel dumb I didn't realize that earlier.
yeah definitely near the end of the show... the consistency with the sharingan went off the rails lol. not the biggest deal to me but yeah... some things just make you wonder if kishimoto was just really oblivious to it or just didnt care that the continuity was going to be off
Kakashi using Kamui to warp himself out of the Kamui dimension is pretty easy to explain in my eyes.
Kakashi has the range Kamui and can control the sice of it - like he did with the Deidara clone.
To jump out of the Kamui dimension, he can simply use Kamui right in front of him and make it big enough to warp himself out.
I love that your dog slowly worked his way into frame until he was curled up in your lap XD
@@slevinchannel7589 I have never found a random RUclips comment of someone with my exact taste in videos before XD
There was a moment in the war arc (I believe it was only in the anime because I don't remember it in the manga) where it showed Kakashi and Obito's vision syncing up. I always interpreted that as him being able to use the abilities in Obito's eyes as well. I can't say for sure that that was Kishimoto's intention but it feels like that was inferred. So it's not really them using Kamui from Kakashi's eye but them pairing with Obito's eye and activating Kamui through it.
The issue I have with the Sharingan (aside from being inconsistent) is how it's used. What I mean is how illogically it is implimented in that world. For example, why weren't the Uchiha in control of the Leaf? It makes no sense in that world to not have the strongest faction ruling, and the Sharingan is lethal to an absolute. Why wasn't Sasuke used as a breeding bull to replenish the Village of their most powerful weapon? Why was the Leaf willing to lose their last Sharingan and Uchiha, possibly to an enemy, by allowing him to become a shinobi? When Orochimaru learned to create them in Boruto, why doesn't EVERYONE use them?
Then of course there are nonsensical abilities like the Susanoo. If it was simply something Itachi made, like originally explained, that would be one thing. But that was retconed to it being an ability of the MS any user could have. Why? What makes a dojutsu impressive and so dangerous is how subtle it is. With the Sharingan, a single look can copy abilities/skills, cast or resist genjutsu, and burn away anything. Creating giant suits of ghostly armor doesn't fit with that at all. No ninja would use such an ability. You literally lose all subtly and turn yourself into a giant target. Hightened visuals/copying for utility, genjutsu and Kamui for defense, and amatarasu for offense. Perfect. Giant ghost armor. Why? Because it looks cool.
Just a couple cents: I think people sometimes get too caught up with the real-world terminology of "ninja". The characters and shinobi terms are really all just modes to transport the Shinto inspirations, bringing them into our IRL perception using familiar words to help us relate to them. If you think about it this way, chakra is just magic and shinobi in Naruto are just magicians. Can you use magic stealthily? Yeah, totally. Do you always need/want to? Not really.
Anyway, beyond the sort of morbid hilarity of such a dark alternate universe where there is no story and Sasuke is just locked up somewhere to replenish the military might of the Leaf, the main justification I can imagine regarding sending the last Uchiha to die, basically, is because of Danzou. He hated the Uchiha and thought they were all bad seeds, viewing them as children who weren't even smart enough to wield their own powers correctly (evidenced by his interactions with Shisui and Itachi). Danzou did a lot of legwork in tarnishing the Uchiha name in order to turn the village (or at least the government) against them. At the end of his life, he got all the eyes he needed and had the powers he wanted and just needed to forge the peace he was working towards, which included finally ridding the world of all the Uchiha so no one could ever challenge him when he usurped the Hokage seat.
That's all I got for ya. The world of Naruto is a jumbled mess of nonsense.
@@keythealien That would be true, about the shinobi terminology, except for the fact that they are introduced as spies and assasins, with Kakashi even explaining that their main job is espionage, not combat, and all their skills are designed around that concept. Kishimoto himself said that the only reason they don't act like real shinobi was because he couldn't write a battle Shonen if they acted that way. Which is why the only times they use their abilities and skills properly are against nameless characters, off-screen, or when he writes himself into a corner like with Madara. The simple fact is that the world of Naruto is not designed to be a battle shonen and was shoehorned into one. Would have been far better as an action / thriller Seinen
Changing Sasuke's story to better fit with the worldbuilding wouldn't mean there's no story. It would just be altered. You could even have it be the same. Just explain the justification. For example, they could say it was part of the deal made with Itachi in return for him helping in wiping out their clan. Or it was Hiruzen stepping in to try and keep Sasuke away from Danzou. Or it was Danzou's machinations. Though I doubt he would want to risk an enemy village getting their hands on Sasuke and his bloodline/sharingan.
Hell, here's another justification: Itachi wasn't a double agent, he genuinely snapped and went rogue after helping wipe put his clan, and Sasuke was being used as a pawn by Danzou or whovever to find and potentially eliminate him. Catching Itachi was deemed more important than the potential risk of losing Sasuke or him ending up in another village's hands.
A writer's job is to figure this stuff out, to blend plot, character, and worldbuilding into a cohesive story. However, as you pointed out, Naruto is a nonsensical mess.
The whole m.s. was a issue
Why obito and zabuza in there explaining it breaks it.
It's piercing eye(which allows copying)
And hypnotic(yin release)
It is stated by obito.
OBITO PEOPLE. That yin imagines form from nothing.
However that form doesn't have substance.
Senju yang gives substance...
Zabuza also gives same perspective...
Amaterasu is yang not yin.
It's physical.
Kamui. Physical
Susano. Physical...
Are they yin as obito and literaly whole series tries to say sharingan is.
Or is it yang
i always assumed that Obito used a Genjutsu to make his Mangekyo Sharingan look like a Base Sharingan when he's using Kamui so nobody discovers who he was.
The way it was originally depicted when Kakashi debuted it in the Zabuza fights was really cool and was honestly OP enough. It was NEVER depicted in that way again and it's a shame. I went back last year and rewatched Naruto from the beginning and I completely forgot that it was originally made to copy jutsus.
In my opinion, logic in the series both peaked and ended during the Chunin Exams arc in the fight of Rock Lee versus Gaa- Sasuke. Te series peaked in Rock Lee versus Sasuke. When Rock Lee both humiliated Sasuke, and exemplified the true original purpose and limitations of the Sharingan and how it was supposed to work on conception. The Sharingan is an inherited tool ability to supplement combat, and arrogant Uchiha who rely on it and think they're better than everyone for having Godly precognition will get reality slapped into them faster than a Hidden Lotus. Then it became a power of God and everything went out the window, but still. It's supposed to allow you to recognize and implement movements and chakra flow immediately, and if you understand or recognize how jutsu and chakra work, you can even master it to a degree where you are already aware of what the opponent is going to do during the time you are "following" their movements, so you are no longer following, but instead racing to the finish. Throw in some enhanced genjutsu abilities which WERE tame but acceptable, and you have a pretty strong but balanced kekkei genkai.
Everything that came afterwards threw the whole fucking series into Pandemonium. Itachi should have JUST been a ridiculously skilled and powerful genius, fuck all that shit about Mangekyo fuck Susano fuck Tsukuyomi fuck Amaterasu fuck all of that, he really did just 1 v 50 his entire clan and win because he's the strongest ninja essentially in the entire village, but no, he and Obito together went around abusing hax and ambush tactics and the acceptance of his father to just allow their massacre, in order to overcome the clan.
Had that been the case, though, and Itachi were simply powerful, Orochimaru COULD have been obsessed with Sasuke for a different reason, but instead he's fixated on the fucking Sharingan. He SHOULD have wanted Sasuke's body because as his biological younger brother, Sasuke had theoretically the same potential to be the caliber of ninja that Itachi is. But nope, he wants Sharingan because Sharingan lets you do everything ever and can never be stopped by anyone except by literal God hax and even then only like half the time if you also have a God power. It doesn't even make sense for the whole "Orochimaru wants to learn ALL jutsu ever by combining all combinations of hand signs and chakra release" because he doesn't NEED Sharingan for that. He already has control over every nature release and he can swap bodies as well as steal and organ harvest whatever kekkei genkai he can get his hands on, so all he needs is time which the Sharingan doesn't give him any more of, he still has to do the hand signs and release the chakra even if he's copying a jutsu he previously didn't know somehow. (Maybe it would help him perfectly understand exactly how the flow of chakra differs in each different jutsu implementation so he can better understand the algorithm for all jutsu creation by tangibly seeing the chakra network, that is more fair, but he could've also just gotten a Byakugan for that.)
I don't know, I still think it's unfair that after a month of eating shit with Kakashi in the mountains, Sasuke came back matching Lee's UNWEIGHTED SPEED with demonstrably no drawbacks. "Oh but his stamina" SHOW ME a time where he actually loses speed or gets actually tired that isn't a result of chasing people 30 miles into the forest and fighting 4 major battles back to back all while keeping up and then facing a jinchuriki. It never happens, Sasuke is never really shown to be helpless against any opponent as a result of fatigue, it's always as a result of getting his ass whooped by a superior opponent like Gaara.
Preach
@NCHammer23
14:00 Kakashi's Kamui works by focusing on a point. Notice he covers his sharingan with his hand (presumably to focus on it, thus having the kamui portal open right where he is) therefore he was able to teleport himself.
Omg. I JUST noticed that. It makes a lotta sense now. Since Kakashi used Kamui in a primarily offensive way before this, he never tried to go into the Kamui dimension himself because there would be a chance that he would be stuck there. But now that he knows about Obito and knows how kamui works, he no longer is afraid of kamui-ing himself.
Exactly!@@kartikrai4232
I was always under the impression that Izanagi could only change things that happened after its activation. We saw Danzo have to keep activating it against Sasuke before then getting hit. Obito could have activated before Konan's explosion actually went off. Madara had it prepped before his fight. It becomes much less broken of a concept if you assume this is how it works. Otherwise, couldn't Sasuke even now years later replace his missing eye and arm? Even if the eye would only be a normal one or base sharingan. The fact that he doesn't seems to prove Izanagi can't affect the past before its activation.
That would still need to be put into the narrative itself so the audience knows that. But it _is_ a self consistent explanation rooted in a limitation that makes the ability more interesting to write around, so I like that idea.
@@Sorain1 there is so much in Naruto that is purposely left vague for the audience to figure out on their on
Tobirama should have burned Hashirama’s body so his cells won’t be stolen.
There's an easy way to solve most of the problems that came with the sharingan, which is to separate its powers into different dojutsus and giving them to different clans in different lands.
Konoha being so stacked with power is one of the main reasons why 80% of the world of Naruto feels empty. It's like Kishimoto was scared of making his world richer.
I really wish the Rinnegan was its own thing including Nagato himself. Idk why the series later became the Uchiha show during Shippuden
At this rate, it reminds me of the Speed Force, The Force, or the Power of Friendship. It can do whatever the plot needs it to, but it’s still really cool to look at. Black and red is a good color scheme, and seeing them flare up and transform look so good. And Kakashi is my favorite character.😂
If Hagoromo gave Indra the Six Paths powers, then Indra would've awakened the Rinnegan.
Sharingan is always been my favourite dojutsu but in the war arc the made things very complicated for us..😢
Could the whole Obito using Kamui without activating his MS be explained by a genjutsu on the mask?
It would explain why the MS is active after the mask comes off.
I mean that was my first thought on that particular thing, as we’ve seen small genjutsu like that in the past(Danzo vs Sasuke)..
But I’m more concerned about Kabuto’s plot hole infested abomination..
Hashidara/Jubidara using any Sharingan or Rinnegan ability he wants even though he doesn’t have Madara DNA or an Uchiha body.
Somehow having Hashirama’s face fused into it’s chest even tho Hashi is still sealed by RDS at that point ..💀💀
Wonderful video. Explained everything I always have to argue with people about in the comments. Main thing being the Uchia “Eye Swap” thingy & I always refer to those same scenes showing the 4 eye whole slots. I used to think I was the only one who caught that at the time
That among a rich book of issues
Narative and magic structure wise.
Sharingan the second m.s. was introduced began walking a tight rope
The day that itachi aired on too Nami and I seen amaterasu. I immediately knew that it began walking that razor edge of being poorly written.
FMAB is the perfect anime. Change my mind.
What does FMAB even stand for?
@@theanystrom2882 Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. It has some of the most iconic and traumatic scenes in anime.
Yes, Sharingan was Mistake TM! Sharingan and Byakugan were already incredibly powerful in the first part of the anime- any ninja who was resourceful and had some brain matter could defeat anyone with just those powers. Sharingan and Bijuu symbolise a very common problem among shounen anime- power creep. As much as I love the first few arcs in Bleach and Naruto, it was mostly power creep that made me stop watching them. I don't want to watch more pretty lights and numbers climbing, I want to watch characters taking what they have and making it count. It could be traps, it could be teamwork, it could be clever tactics, but god damn give me a reason to care about what characters do.
I believe this is why Shikamaru for all his faults is so popular in the Naruto fandom.
If we’re being honest obito’s eye technically has multiple abilities slipping part of his body into the kamui dimension, and then being able to suck things nearby into and pull thing from that some dimension. The. When we see him with both eyes he can open portals to kaguya dimension. And I’m pretty sure we all glossed over the fact he was using the eye to teleport as stated by zetsu during the aftermath of the sasuke and itachi fight.
The Sharingan itself isn’t a mistake. All the cracked out abilities you find out it has every 5 seconds is.
Also, either the Byakugan had to be beefed up a LOT or (favorably) the Sharingan had to be trimmed down a LOT.
The Sharingan wasn't a mistake. Constantly taking on more and more powers and buffs was.
Could Itachi put genjutsu to Nagato through pain bodies?
Glad to know I’m not alone in this take. Anyone who I’ve spoken to about Naruto knows how passionate I am about this exact topic. I seriously think the Mangekyo sharingan and Rinnegan are big mistakes. When it was just the regular sharingan and byakugan, they were easily amongst the best aspects of Naruto because they were enhancing vision in some way. Every Dojutsu ability that is to do with enhancing vision in some way I am a big fan of. But What Kishimoto did with the mangekyo and Rinnegan are genuinely amongst the worst inclusions in the series.
That’s not me saying they aren’t cool, but I think it was a huge mustake to give these dojutsu such broken abilities. The casual eye swapping in the war is easily one of my least favourite aspects of the show, but was kind of inevitable due to how useful those abilities are.
There’s so much more I could get into as well. I could honestly do a TED talk on this topic. That’s how strongly I feel about it. Props for making a video on it.
Thank you so much for giving your dog love on screen! I hate seeing youtubers' pets in the background who never get attention or mentioned (maybe because the youtuber can't multitask like that or doesn't want to waste time). It's so weird! Plus, it's hilarious to see it and you still not talk about it while they're in your lap taking up half the screen. The best jokes are ones that don't have to be explained. Plus, your dog is so cute!!!
I went into this video with some major trepidation. I think you did a good job making your case, though. Definitely good for thought!
Most people refuse to engage with a honest discussion about sharingan becuase of well
ITS COOL.
rule of cool.
😅
But win u consider some narrative parameters
1 zabuza. Explains the eye.
It has piercing eye(insight)
2 hypnotic(genjutsu illusions.)
3 obito. From the izanagi intro explains it uses yin energy spirit
Yin is incorporareal illusion.
Ghosts. Remember the golemns shikimaru faught. The moth ghosts. They were yin.
Genjutsu is yin
So obito directly collapsed the very idea it could project illusions on reality. With out senju power.
Ok so he correlates with zabuza.
So then withought senju Chakra.
How then is any of the m.s. abilities. Make sense😅
i dont know WHY Kishimoto would remove the most interesting part of the MS: the fact that it HURTS YOU TO USE IT. downsides to abilities are what make the upsides SHINE. so for the EMS to negate the best part of the MS?? literally why. this is the same reason I hate the Nine Tails Cloak that Naruto uses after he befriends Kurama, it loses the downside that made the power interesting!
Same
the sharingan was able to do everything the plot demands and that why I always prefer the byakugan... there was a frase i heard about the sharingan "it can do everything even make coffe"
Lol.
Thats funny even make coffee.
I like mine strong.
Lol
Funny enouph all the sight powers sharingan was shown in beginning.
The piercing eye.
Is the same as eye of insight. The narrative back then doesnt lead to another conclusion.
The fandom has misinterpreted the piercing eye and eye of insight as two different things.
When kakashi was stateing simply that its actual visual prowess is superior.
We know sharingan had perceptional clarity and high frame rate lense powers.
And chakra sight.
Then kakashi says byackugans insight is better than later says his sharingan cant see tenketsu.
The narrative clearly shows this.
People say neji cant see high speed.
Ok 1
Does any one really believe spider guy could have been defeated in part 1 by anyone withought a dojutsu. Or of course just out ranking spider man.
I.e. a kage would smake him around.
I doubt sasuke would have beaten kido had u replaced him in that fight.
Also debunked that neji can in fact see high speed as well when we look at garra vs. Lee.
Neji and kakashi were the only people in room that could clearly see. The fight.
Lee needed 5th gate for neji...😅😅😅😂
People sleep on neji.
Kakashi flat couldnt believe how strong neji was.
Couldnt imagine someone that touph was there.
Sasuke was already chunin level in that arc.
Also nejis data book stats were 21 at that time.
Thats close to tokubetsu jonin stats.
Jonin like kakashi are around 31 ish.
Sasuke in chunin exams was around a 18.
Naruto choji around 13.
If that shows the power differential of kakashis statements i dont know what does.
But ooh wait theyll disregard the data stats.
@@r.a.panimefan2109 yeah the byakugan was always treated like the stupid brother... and is annoying... you have Infrared you can see at kilometres away you can see chakra points and fucking cut Justus in half... while the sharingan keep evolving first the tomoe then MS then EMS and then rinnegan ... the byakugan get the tenseigan but no the hyuga can't get it ... oh come on
I think why Sasuke can still use his Amaterasu on his Kagutsutchi's eye is that the Kagutsutchi has the same properties with Shisui's MS where it varies on power and CD. but in Sasuke's case He can use the Amatrerasu on the Right eye but it's smaller in scale and not that potent to create larger flames compared to his actual Amaterasu eye, the six tomoe rinnegan.
Love the vids!
That's understandable
That is pure headcanon. There is literally nothing in any official Naruto media that even begins to imply that
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 90% of any sharingan explanation is headcanon and he literally says he thinks sasuke has been using smaller flames since losing his six tomoe though
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 well, there is the scene right after he loses his eyes with him using amaterasu's flames with his other eye, i think that is a very official naruto media
@@SatoreyGojo That's because we as fans care more about in-universe consistency and airtight explanations for things more than the guy who actually wrote the story. If we remove that aspect, there is no good explanation for it
I'm just gonna assume that Obito's mask casts a genjutsu that causes outside viewers to perceive it as a base sharingan, considering MS was achieved at Rin's death, Madara might have compensated for this and taught him a jutsu that puts all viewers under a genjutsu that limits their perception, something like a transformation jutsu. After the mask was broken and identity was revealed, there was no need to maintain the jutsu, plus Madara was running around so questions started to be asked leading up to the real suspicions. The precedent is not unheard of in the series, the Uchicha tablet has a veiling effect that is only revealed when viewed with a Sharingan. His mask was designed in a particular way in both it's iterations. His eye is veiled by some sort of jutsu.
And then he was paired up with a guy that managed to give himself an immunity to all sharingan based genjutsu without being detected? It's a nice idea but I don't like detracting from the insane accomplishment of what Deidara achieved by rendering himself immune to the sharringan.
I mean, what would Obito's incentive have been to do that, though? Did he just not want people to recognize his specific Mangekyo pattern? Almost no one had seen it before, supposedly. So what difference would it have made?
@Khajitxi it's not a sharingan based jutsu, just a jutsu cast on the mask itself. Throughout the entire series Obito has never been shown using his MS while masked EXCEPT when it was first awakened at Rin's death. Coincidentally, Kakashi also awakened it on the same day when he killed her. Madara might have foreseen the possibility of Obito being found out and created the mask to function in a particular way while MS is active. It would explain Obito's use of MS abilities while seemingly only having a base sharingan and after the mask was broken it was only then when we saw his MS and confirmed his identity.
First of all, amazing video as always and everything. Second of all, we NEED every single video from now on to have the goodest boy on the chair
for real is just did what ever the plot needed it to do
Sasuke using Amaterasu after losing the left eye might be an EMS thing that with EMS you can use both abilities in either eye. As for the Kakashi/Madara using Kamui to get into the dimension plot hole, I always understood his eyes ability as opening a portal to the dimension that sucks nearby objects/creatures into the dimension so I never saw that as a plot hole I just assumed he opened a portal a little closer to himself. DMS Kakashi having a full body Susanoo may have been because he also got the rest of Obitos Sage of Six Paths chakra but again all of these are just head canon hand waves to explain something that wasn't explained :P
Sadly, Naruto is just not a well written series. It has some awesome moments and I still love it, but the writing is a mess that starts out as small cracks, but the further you get into Shippuden the wider and more blatant they get
The sad thing is, it doesn’t actually become lower quality. Naruto always had the problems that become worse later, but early on we knew less so they were acceptable as they weren’t yet retcons
I still think the Elemental Jutsu system is one of the best magic system concepts that was fumbled terribly
In regards to Sasuke using Amaterasu, if you look up which eye Itachi used for it, the answers vary, but most sources say right. So because their eyes melded, Sasuke’s right eye combined with Itachi’s right can use Amaterasu and Kagatsuchi. While Sasuke’s left EMS was capable of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. So basically Sasuke had a spare when it comes to Amaterasu
I thought the video would be about how the sharigan started somewhoat balaced and could just copy jutsus and ended up beign the most overpower ability in the whole anime/manga
Hmmm... I think the plot hole it's bigger, because in theory the abilities of the that an Uchiha gains when they "develop" their sharingan are reflected in the eyes, yes, but they are born in their minds, more specific, in their brains. It's in their brains that the power of the Sharingan is created, even if then is reflected in the eyes, the eyes are just a "reflection of the hearth". What I mean is that only an Uchiha brain can develop an Uchiha eye. That doesn't mean that you can't use the power stored in the eyes itself, what it means is that Kakashi should have never had his Mangekyou awoken, neither access to a Kamui. This explanation it's canon, so everything related with Kamui it's a plot hole.