Did you watch the episode? She wasn't angry. She just wanted to give the alien incentive to sell the information faster. Because the alien stated that he wasn't going to sell that particular information. At least not until a bidding process. This got them the information quicker and cheaper.
For those of you who don't know, the puppet used by Captain Balok of the Fesarius in the TOS episode "The Corbomite Maneuver" looked exactly like him. The reason he used the puppet is because Balok looked like a kid, played by a voiced-over young Clint Howard, brother of Ron Howard. Clint later played several different characters on the different Star Trek series when he got older.
@@redrasegarden I mean, let’s admit it. Captain Freeman messed up as Starfleet. As someone who’s supposed to be open-minded about the unknown, she shouldn’t just jump to conclusions about species and beings by outward appearances or behavior. I mean, Starfleet even has protocol to examine new planets for any sign of sentient life, even super microscopic ones, before terraforming and settling.
Its original appearance was in the episode, "The Corbinite Maneuver" where it appeared to be the alien of the week when addressing the enterprise on the view screen. Then it turned out to be a puppet for a more child-looking alien, stating him to be his "Hyde to my Jeckell as it were".
Nah, Capt. Freeman's got this! She's hydroscoot champ back at the academy after all. Think what ties her to Mariner is her "just do It" leap before you look attitude.
You know.. Ive seen the end of the episode where freeman says this was all part of her bait and switch plan.. But didnt billups walk in an hour earlier? He could have talked to the broker then
The meta on this show is hilarious, doing exemplary fan service. Sooner or later, the show’s characters will break down the 4th wall. Maybe in their “mirror universe” episode where they go to our universe and meet Gene Roddenberry where they make a change only to realize there is a causal relationship between the two universes. Then they have to go back to our universe to convince Roddenberry to put things back the way it was.
This potentially puts "The Corbomite Maneuver" in a very different light. It's just possible (not necessarily probable, just possible) that the green skinned "puppet" was, in fact, the real alien and the child-like being serving Tranya was an android. This, in turn, makes one wonder why the extra layer of "bluff"? Related upon the the vaguest of tangents, I've long suspected poor Mr Bailey from that episode, the panicky navigator who decided to stay with Balok, eventually went stark raving mad. Imagine having to listen to that bellicose laugh day after day! Nearly every utterance made the diminutive pilot finding gutbustingly hilarious. I imagine the Enterprise or another Federation ship returning to the First Federation border to retrieve their "diplomat" and finding the Fesarius a wrecked hulk. They beam aboard and discover Bailey crouching in a corner, eyeing the puppet (here, it really is a puppet), suspecting it is real and has been manipulating the Clint Howard form. What happened to the snaggle toothed pilot? Let's just say Bailey went to the effort to prove he was actually the puppet.😱
Needlessly complicated. Balok's people probably encountered this species and thought, "whoo, they look creepy! Let's make a puppet based on them." I hope we get to find out more about this weird species.
Kirk met this alien found out it was a puppet and met Balok who is from the The First Federation in the Fesarius system. He is the character that introduced the Tranya drink to the Federation. And this drink would show up everywhere else. The First Federation Fesarius system is in the Star Trek Online game but players can't go there because the system is blocked by some warning buoys like the ones Kirk's Enterprise encountered and they tell you that you are in First Federation space and to please leave. Not sure why they added the system in the game if it is blocked off. It has been like this since the missions that involved missions working with the Lukari (One of the alien species introduced in the game.) Captain Sulu and the crew of the Excelsior met this same alien in the Mirror Universe in the Star Trek Shattered Universe video game for the Playstation 2, but he was an actual alien and not a puppet and he was hostile towards them due to an encounter with Mirror Kirk. It was revealed in a novel called Dark Victory that when Mirror Pike was in command of the I.S.S. Enterprise they encountered Mirror Balok and his Fesarius ship and he sent Mirror Kirk and a small boarding party to take the ship. Mirror Kirk shot Balok and they stole everything of value including the Tantalus field which was shown when Kirk, Uhura, McCoy, and Scotty ended up in the Mirror Universe while their Mirror Counterpart were detained by Spock and the Security officers. Mirror Balok survived by transferring his mind into his puppet. So is it possible that this alien's body is puppet like because it could have been a manufactured, grown in a lab body, and some poor First Federation alien was about to die and had to put his mind in a puppet body? If so, then technically Captain Freeman was right to suspect that he is puppet at least the body is, not the mind. I mean he still moves like a puppet after the "reveal" that he is a living being. Why he is on this planet and not in the Fesarius system, I don't know? Also I don't think this is Balok himself, because in another novel, he and Crewmen Dave Bailey from Kirk's ship decided to explore the Alpha Quadrant together for twenty years since they became friends since Balok was interested in the Federation and also wanted to explore the galaxy and he wanted a friend to talk to and Bailey volunteered because he wanted to make up for some of the mistakes he made earlier in the episode. After the twenty years exploring the Alpha Quadrant, they decided to explore the Delta Quadrant, they would meet Captain Janeway in 2373 during some time in season 2 of Star Trek Voyager. They rescued Bailey from an alien species called the Mondasians. These aliens seem to have been based off of the Mondasians from the Doctor Who series at least the part of the species that would become Doctor Who's version of the Borg: The Cybermen. Bailey was surprised and happy to see people from the Alpha Quadrant again, but he still decided to explore the Delta Quadrant with Balok. Considering that there are comic crossovers with Star Trek and Doctor Who, this is not that surprising. These might be Star Trek version Mondasians but they have become a danger like the Cybermen members because Star Trek has the Borg. The Borg and the Cybermen even decided to work together when they met in a crossover and for the most part was favorable for them until the Cybermen saw that the Doctor had arrived and also downloading all available knowledge in one of Borg's core memory libraries, the Cybermen decided to betray the Borg and head to where the Borg homeworld and assimilate the Borg into their collective which lead to the Borg working together with Dr. Who and the Enterprise-D. They succeeded in stopping the Cybermen when the Doctor and the Enterprise-D crew were able help the Borg access the Cyber web and set the Cybermen fleet to self-destruct. It is implied that due to this crossover this inspired the Borg to use time travel in later assimilation attempts of Earth as seen in the Star Trek the Next Generation First Contact movie as they became interested in the Doctor since he is a time lord and wanted to assimilate him.
I was cringing this entire episode over her actions, but i have to say I did like the twist of it being intentional. I do think she actually thought he was a puppet tho
I've not seen the episode. But the obvious solution to this would then be to come back in in disguise, or hire someone else to get the information for them.
I don’t think this was part of her actual plan. I think she legit thought they were a puppet.
Like mother, like daughter because it explains where Mariner inherit her anger from.
Admiral Freeman must be a total saint to be so calm with two hotheads.
more like jump to conclusions first before thinking ahead.
Did you watch the episode? She wasn't angry. She just wanted to give the alien incentive to sell the information faster. Because the alien stated that he wasn't going to sell that particular information. At least not until a bidding process. This got them the information quicker and cheaper.
@@ee1014 i think the other moments of Carol rage is included (she can be pretty mean when angry)
Yeah, you're wrong.
For those of you who don't know, the puppet used by Captain Balok of the Fesarius in the TOS episode "The Corbomite Maneuver" looked exactly like him. The reason he used the puppet is because Balok looked like a kid, played by a voiced-over young Clint Howard, brother of Ron Howard. Clint later played several different characters on the different Star Trek series when he got older.
Kirk couldn't tell a puppet from an alien either.
Well at least Kirk didn’t blast said puppet to smithereens.
@@MsCuriosity37 Fair enough.
Can’t say I blame her. I mean, wouldn’t you think that was a puppet?
You live in a galaxy with billions of species, and most people go their whole lives without seeing more than a minuscule fraction of that.
@@huydang5955 so it would be unsurprising to mistake one for something else.
@@redrasegarden I mean, let’s admit it. Captain Freeman messed up as Starfleet. As someone who’s supposed to be open-minded about the unknown, she shouldn’t just jump to conclusions about species and beings by outward appearances or behavior.
I mean, Starfleet even has protocol to examine new planets for any sign of sentient life, even super microscopic ones, before terraforming and settling.
@@huydang5955 ah, right. I forgot that. But I still refuse to believe that she would be the only one to think he was a puppet
@@redrasegarden if anything, the Borgs would be more likely candidates to seem like androids instead of cybernetically-enhanced like Rutherford.
Throwback to the first few TOS episodes, when that alien was a puppet.
The writers do great fan service. I was still in the single digits when I saw the original broadcast.
Hold up, isn't that the alien who'd show up in the still images during the original Trek's credits? 🤔
Its original appearance was in the episode, "The Corbinite Maneuver" where it appeared to be the alien of the week when addressing the enterprise on the view screen. Then it turned out to be a puppet for a more child-looking alien, stating him to be his "Hyde to my Jeckell as it were".
And the child turned out to be Clint Howard. So, kind of a lateral move.
Was not expecting carol to be that good in the bar fight. But this explains a lot. Doesn't matter who once you was young
The error is understandable. He looks like this Balok doll from the episode with the giant ship and the Corbomite maneuver. 🖖
I like how at the end it sounds like Dr. T'Ana yelling, "Boo, Starfleet sucks!" at 1:45
Sounds like her, but not enough swearing.
The main cast appear to perform multiple roles regularly, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same actress.
She was the backup plan if Billups didn't work, she was dressed as a caitian bounty hunter at the back of the bar.
Sounds like something T'Ana would do
Maybe that was her. She sneaks to the bar to escape, and there she got her chance to roast starfleet.
That poor alein puppet got it's wobbly ass beat for no reason. LMAO
Yes, poor Squidward
I love how shax had worried look on his face when carol was beating the shit out of that alien 1:01
I love these little callbacks to TOS.
"By the Prophets, how can you tell!"
That line slayed me! 😂😂😂
Squidward is such a mood
That was F*cking hilarious! It's good Kirk didn't do what Freeman did or there wouldn't be a Federation.
They couldn't have Rutherford look with his implant first?
Nah, Capt. Freeman's got this! She's hydroscoot champ back at the academy after all. Think what ties her to Mariner is her "just do It" leap before you look attitude.
That was actually hilarious. Well done.
Yes, poor little puppet 😂
Yes, poor Squidward
1:43 - Shame. Shame. Shame. *(Handbell rings)* Shame
♪ Shame, shame, shame ♪
*(Pulls out a Tambourine)*
♪ Shame on you-hoo ♪
♪ Shame, shame, shame ♪
♪ Shame on you-hoo♪
How dare you torture someone without me? Proceeds to blast them with sith lightning.
Maybe she should have offered him a glass of tronya.
Palpatine somehow returns, meh
Locarno somehow returns, big panik
Gotta say, that wasn't even on my list of remote possibilities.
You know.. Ive seen the end of the episode where freeman says this was all part of her bait and switch plan..
But didnt billups walk in an hour earlier? He could have talked to the broker then
Yea but the broker said he originally wasn’t going to sell Locarno’s location to anyone. Then Starfleet pissed him off.
The meta on this show is hilarious, doing exemplary fan service. Sooner or later, the show’s characters will break down the 4th wall. Maybe in their “mirror universe” episode where they go to our universe and meet Gene Roddenberry where they make a change only to realize there is a causal relationship between the two universes. Then they have to go back to our universe to convince Roddenberry to put things back the way it was.
If Rufferford could have scanend the 'Puppet' from the begging...why didn't he do that right away?
0:35 If he's not a puppet then explained this.
cyborg ?
Bizarre Alien Biology. Explains his stiff neck movement.
Pyrotechnics
This potentially puts "The Corbomite Maneuver" in a very different light. It's just possible (not necessarily probable, just possible) that the green skinned "puppet" was, in fact, the real alien and the child-like being serving Tranya was an android. This, in turn, makes one wonder why the extra layer of "bluff"? Related upon the the vaguest of tangents, I've long suspected poor Mr Bailey from that episode, the panicky navigator who decided to stay with Balok, eventually went stark raving mad. Imagine having to listen to that bellicose laugh day after day! Nearly every utterance made the diminutive pilot finding gutbustingly hilarious. I imagine the Enterprise or another Federation ship returning to the First Federation border to retrieve their "diplomat" and finding the Fesarius a wrecked hulk. They beam aboard and discover Bailey crouching in a corner, eyeing the puppet (here, it really is a puppet), suspecting it is real and has been manipulating the Clint Howard form. What happened to the snaggle toothed pilot? Let's just say Bailey went to the effort to prove he was actually the puppet.😱
Needlessly complicated. Balok's people probably encountered this species and thought, "whoo, they look creepy! Let's make a puppet based on them." I hope we get to find out more about this weird species.
Omg! Lol lol!!
Kirk met this alien found out it was a puppet and met Balok who is from the The First Federation in the Fesarius system. He is the character that introduced the Tranya drink to the Federation. And this drink would show up everywhere else. The First Federation Fesarius system is in the Star Trek Online game but players can't go there because the system is blocked by some warning buoys like the ones Kirk's Enterprise encountered and they tell you that you are in First Federation space and to please leave. Not sure why they added the system in the game if it is blocked off. It has been like this since the missions that involved missions working with the Lukari (One of the alien species introduced in the game.)
Captain Sulu and the crew of the Excelsior met this same alien in the Mirror Universe in the Star Trek Shattered Universe video game for the Playstation 2, but he was an actual alien and not a puppet and he was hostile towards them due to an encounter with Mirror Kirk. It was revealed in a novel called Dark Victory that when Mirror Pike was in command of the I.S.S. Enterprise they encountered Mirror Balok and his Fesarius ship and he sent Mirror Kirk and a small boarding party to take the ship. Mirror Kirk shot Balok and they stole everything of value including the Tantalus field which was shown when Kirk, Uhura, McCoy, and Scotty ended up in the Mirror Universe while their Mirror Counterpart were detained by Spock and the Security officers. Mirror Balok survived by transferring his mind into his puppet.
So is it possible that this alien's body is puppet like because it could have been a manufactured, grown in a lab body, and some poor First Federation alien was about to die and had to put his mind in a puppet body? If so, then technically Captain Freeman was right to suspect that he is puppet at least the body is, not the mind. I mean he still moves like a puppet after the "reveal" that he is a living being. Why he is on this planet and not in the Fesarius system, I don't know?
Also I don't think this is Balok himself, because in another novel, he and Crewmen Dave Bailey from Kirk's ship decided to explore the Alpha Quadrant together for twenty years since they became friends since Balok was interested in the Federation and also wanted to explore the galaxy and he wanted a friend to talk to and Bailey volunteered because he wanted to make up for some of the mistakes he made earlier in the episode. After the twenty years exploring the Alpha Quadrant, they decided to explore the Delta Quadrant, they would meet Captain Janeway in 2373 during some time in season 2 of Star Trek Voyager. They rescued Bailey from an alien species called the Mondasians. These aliens seem to have been based off of the Mondasians from the Doctor Who series at least the part of the species that would become Doctor Who's version of the Borg: The Cybermen. Bailey was surprised and happy to see people from the Alpha Quadrant again, but he still decided to explore the Delta Quadrant with Balok.
Considering that there are comic crossovers with Star Trek and Doctor Who, this is not that surprising. These might be Star Trek version Mondasians but they have become a danger like the Cybermen members because Star Trek has the Borg. The Borg and the Cybermen even decided to work together when they met in a crossover and for the most part was favorable for them until the Cybermen saw that the Doctor had arrived and also downloading all available knowledge in one of Borg's core memory libraries, the Cybermen decided to betray the Borg and head to where the Borg homeworld and assimilate the Borg into their collective which lead to the Borg working together with Dr. Who and the Enterprise-D. They succeeded in stopping the Cybermen when the Doctor and the Enterprise-D crew were able help the Borg access the Cyber web and set the Cybermen fleet to self-destruct. It is implied that due to this crossover this inspired the Borg to use time travel in later assimilation attempts of Earth as seen in the Star Trek the Next Generation First Contact movie as they became interested in the Doctor since he is a time lord and wanted to assimilate him.
Five shillings for the possessed toy. Take it away.
I was cringing this entire episode over her actions, but i have to say I did like the twist of it being intentional.
I do think she actually thought he was a puppet tho
By the Prophets, how can you tell?
... Is that FilmCow?
This is why you need Obi Wan Kenobi.
This whole subplot was a Homage to Star Wars albeit if it took place in the Trek verse.
I've not seen the episode. But the obvious solution to this would then be to come back in in disguise, or hire someone else to get the information for them.
well I have seen the episode and to asked one of them are in a disguise, but you have to watch it before the spoiler.
Only a shame he sounded nothing like Ted Cassidy.
I do wish they had found somebody who could have performed a decent Ted Cassidy impression. That was 50 percent of the 1966 character, arguably more.
So that big cloud of smoke from underneath his cloak was actually his farts?