4 WORST VOCAL Groups of Kpop Gen 4?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2022
- As netizens start to ask for more from an idol and management agencies themselves also raise the bar of the artists, it is proven that having the mere visual can’t help a group make it big so easily like before.
However, there are still idols who are said to not even bother about how bad their vocal capabilities are and although years have passed since their debut, people still find them stuck with the same below-average vocal and showed no improvement.
4 WORST VOCAL Groups of Kpop Gen 4?
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My own opinion: NMIXX is currently the most all-rounded girl group of gen 4, visual-wise, vocal-wise and dancing-wise. Now they just need some real good management to thrive to top 1. Are you thinking the same? 👀
Definitely agree with you
Yup also stage presences
I'll go with Treasure for boy group
In my opinion,Nmixx,Purple kiss,Pink fantasy(the best vocal group) & Everglow
@@lizwife3679 This!
Though I love Rei, but I understand why people are annoyed by her not singing the note, along with me and others wanted to hear her sing and not say the fandom name. I'm not going to question her singing capabilities because I personally believe that she can sing.
same also can people just give ive a break?!
watch all their encore stage in eleven era. you can hear rei sing that high note.
@@unstoppablegirl8 yes
I understand your pov but i personally dont think Rei was confident enough to attempt singing it as her main focus in the group isnt vocals, its rap. I think the hate she received for that whole situation was sorta unnecessary to an extent by the fact that she isnt the main or even lead vocalist who is usually expected of their vocals to be being skillful enough (live) to hold their position. But even though she doesnt technically excel in singing, she does have a ton of potential and could easily become better and more promising as a singer because even now, she has a good voice!
@@unstoppablegirl8 why do they need a break ??
Txt getting hate for using auto tune and there in behind the scenes taehyun exposing themselves by saying 'they try to sing as close to auto tune as possible' like I thought they haven't sang live once but watching their recent concert clips I just get amazed by how stable they are.. They litrally sound like studio ver. in live concerts
The concert clips are getting viral for their vocals .
"Yeah i was stupid !!!!!"""
Yeah I kinda see this in the same way where people get so much plastic surgery to get hourglass bodies that people forget people ACTUALLY have that body type naturally and start accusing them of surgery. I see the same with auto tune. People who can ACTUALLY sing stable live vocals get accused of auto tune because that is now seen as unnatural…they’re just too good for their own good lol
@@joanamariebrucelas2429 why bring them up?
@@elysiangelle sorry i amswered that with no brain sorry 😅😅
@@joanamariebrucelas2429 it’s fine
Honestly txt are great at singing live. They’ve improved a lot over the 9 months of hiatus and are very stable. three out of five of them can pass as main vocalists and thats pretty impressive. Beomgyu and soobin bring out unique vocals to their music and are pretty stable when singing live. Having one encore stage where they sounded shaky doesnt mean they’re bad (ive seen MUCH worse..) Their encore stage for GBGB was incredible. Their recent concerts are proof because they had a segment where they sung some parts of their songs without backing vocals or autotune and it sounds EXACTLY like the studio version (yeonjun went viral for this multiple times) i have general information about vocals and technique and i wouldn’t say they’re THE best group out there when it comes to vocals but its just insane to think they’re the “worst”
True, ive seen worst than txt. TXT is actually good at live forgod sake! I just don't get why this channel keep bringing up txt for that 1 ENCORE! This just proves how they didn't check other txt contents to proof how good they are live! If they actually have TIME, they would know
Exactly
Yesss I agree, like we all know they're not the best, but it's wrong to say that they're the worst, ppl these days cannot let anyone rest, plus all these kpop groups that are in this video are all famous, all these haters don't even stand on where they are now, these groups worked so hard to be where they are at now, so these haters should just shut up. And honestly, the content creator seems to be agreeing with all these statements except for stayc and it is very unsettling for me.
"Honestly txt are great at singing live. They’ve improved a lot over the 9 months of hiatus and are very stable. three out of five of them can pass as main vocalists and thats pretty impressive." all these words still that stage sucked 6:40
They are really stable and great performers and for me thats enough but none of them can pass as "main vocalists".
I completely disagree on the txt one they are soooo talented like have seen that viral yeonjun clip where he was singing lonely boy live it’s fascinating how talented they are and this isnt even from a moa, I’m a stay. And for the other groups i really don’t know that much about them sooo that’s it
THANK YOU i thought i was the only one disagreeing abt txt for a sec
Its a clickbait channel to make us engage more with the channel for them to earn money. Like ive seen worst vocal live than txt.
IKR and tbh people shouldn’t judge on encore stages, like bts was legit so hated for that “ON” stage for the majority singing offkey but its not like they aren’t vocally stable. Give them a chance honestly
@@nkifries EXACTLYY also they have to do such difficult choreography too
He/she definitely NMIXX fan. That why he/she told only NMIXX have good vocal 🤔
*U gotta be kidding me calling TXT with bad vocals???????? Chill out! and let them breath! it was just an encore stage where they just had fun and celebrated their win with their fans. Not to mention TXT is a whole package 😎✊*
Whole package of Garbage
BTS copy
@@Blitzkers99 lmao u are just so funny, well thx qu I have a good laugh.
@@Blitzkers99 so goofy
lmao, you're just saying that cause you're a fan let's just be honest here, TXT's vocal line is weak and they need to improve, they may be great at everything but their vocal is not, compare to the other 4th gen, they could easily left behind
If TXT and StayC are considered having worse vocals then how much more other groups?? Coz I'm telling you even I'm not really a fan, they have an amazing vocal range and doesn't stick with the same vocal style
True! I can't believe with this video.
In StayC nobody support. And in Txt 1/5 supports and Taehyun is in the weak tier.
@@kyumi__ isa sieun and yoon all have shallow support
We stan a person who actually has ears and doesnt hate and put down other groups to put their favs ahead.
@@kyumi__ Im sorry what THE Kang Taehyun is in the weak tier ummm lets have a momet of silence for this deaf person..........
What do you mean TXT sound horrible???? Those people might want to watch and listen to their 20cm live stage in We K-pop because the boys slayeddd
Agreed! That assessment is way off base. Their vocals are no joke!
@@moarmy6779 Agreed, Oml.
no hate i respect txt andbtheir music but why are u being proud of their 20cm live?
yeonjun was nasal the whole time with tehyun and hyuka who isn't nasal most of the time, was also very nasal and taehyun did very pushed and strained belt, soobil and beomgyu were very off pitch singing the song though their parts were between G3-A4 i assume. Don't be proud of their being horrible in that performamce, hitting hignotes doesn't determine vocal capability and it has shown their weakness more. I wish hybe let their idols better vocal lesson so they don't damage their vocal cords
@@jawadhasan8287 First of all, they have improve greatly over these past few years and couldn't be more proud of them. And they'll keep getting better vocally with each new album!
@@jawadhasan8287 You are literally bs and crap here and saying Hybe needs better vocal coaches and mocking them being nasal when they weren't and saying they were horrible when you stan yg. Tell me any single artist at yg who isn't nasal. And no the nasal voice you be calling is called raspy. Nasal is what yg artists are. First learn the definition of simple terminologies then talk, kid.
I'm so shock that TXT are even here haha. Taehyun, Hyuka and Yeonjun are top tiers, also Beomgyu and Soobin- their falsetto and deep voice always amazed me. They could definitely sing live. They're just having fun during encore but they could slay every performances.
Sooo true I've heard them sing a couple of times on live, and their singing is top notch
I just saw TXT live in Chicago and their voices are, no joke, incredible. I am so shocked to see them here lol. I guarantee anyone who gets to see them on their tour will agree that their vocals are just amazing. Taehyun's adlibs... wow!
I am a moa since a long time now and i have listened their every live stage mah boys are not wrost they are good enough many vocalist have praise them for their vocals and this vdo ruined my day and i am angry rn
@@sharikasinha1944 ME TOO this video really ruined my whole week.
i feel like txt are good performers but not good vocalists.
@@marigold4135 Who the heck you are lol? They are definitely one of the best vocal group of 4th Gen, get over it.
@@userfriendlyforever they aren’t but ok
Let’s be real, idols mostly gain fans by their looks, tiktoks and how funny they can be in variety shows… I mean, look at how Ailee and park bom got bashed even in their hayday, so let’s not delude ourselves that fans are here for their vocals lol
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I mean I am. If your music isn’t good I’m not going to listen. I’m not saying they can’t make mistakes because if you sing live you won’t sound like you’re in a recording studio but why would I stan musicians if they can’t do their main job?
RIGHT k-pop was never about talent. i mean it’s funny how people judge good vocals as stable, high notes, and a nice tone, and how they judge dancing based off only hip hop, even if the idols visibility have 0 techniques but they look pretty so no one cares. netizens really be acting superior giving “pick me” energy like im pretty sure ur favs can’t do shit other than serving face and having a fun personality, just like almost all of my biases lmao
Stop generalizing billions of people like that, if a group sounds awful why stan them? sure a lot of kpop fans get interested in a group bc they have good looking members, but at least the majority of fans, if they later find out the group is nothing more than good looking, they lose interest bc what's the point of stanning a group with no talent?
@@Rinna33 reason why I don't listen to 4th gen because while listening songs you can't see idol's pretty face
I’m not a moa but are YOU serious about txt??? like this dude with blonde hair singing ( I know it’s real I can feel it~) is one of the best 4th gen vocalists
@@randyranola8628 says someone who haven't heard their serious live singing 🤭
@@persik3775 do I care about their live singing? I do care about vocals that's why I only stan who's good and great at vocals
@@persik3775 don't get them seriously theyre just jealous
@@kingtaeminemsglasses who's jealous tho?
@@randyranola8628 your enemy😔💔💔💔
Txt were having fun during encore, can y’all stop being dramatic??
Ikr!!! Their singing is stable and beautiful they were trying to have fun!
Facts! Like come on they wanted to end the concert with something goofy and fun. People these days cant be joked
Tomorrow by Together has raw vocals and they’ve shown these on many levels. Raw vocal professionals has said they have good vocals but still need to work on things. Encore is suppose to have be fun they don’t always have to professionals and get an approval from international and netizens.
Yes!! I totally disagree with the people who said they were bad cause it’s not like they are trying to be the best on an encore stage, encore stages are supposed to be fun and happy for idols!!
You must be kidding me, TXT in this video🤣🤣 they're one of the best vocal group of 4th gen, all 5 can sing & most of them raps. I cant believe
Oh really??
Stop spreading misinformation. Objectively speaking, ALL TXT members are weak-underdeveloped vocalist. You can support your group but PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD MISINFORMATION.
@@haroldsuarez7474 you didnt just call taehyun and yeonjun underdeveloped DAMN🤓 like txt aint even my ult group but their vocals are amazing. you clearly havent seen their recent concert videos
@@haroldsuarez7474 and who would be a great vocal skilled group? Lol you must one of those crazy engenes or stays 🤣
@@haroldsuarez7474 go study, u dont know anything abt txt, so better dont speak
I have a problem with thumbnails
Ive and TXT both have very good vocals
Ikr knetz need to calm down
Exactly Ive is amazing
That's how they get people to view videos. Putting images of the only groups that matter
ive?
sorry but ive has one of the worst vocals of 4th gen but that doesn’t mean their songs are bad
I see that netizens is the one who is deaf having txt in this list
Just wait till they watch 20cm live ver 😌🔪
Hope they sing 20cm in their city concert
stayc and txt shock me....i though they are one of the best vocals in gen4
Can't say for stayc but TXT actually are. They were actually having fun unlike this video creator showed.
@@userfriendlyforever Stayc too, like they’re so stable and like the video said have the balls to sing live
@@bookim2264 I didn't knew about them that much. Thanks for telling me.
@@bookim2264 Stable doesn't mean they're good vocalist. It means they have good stamina, but they don't have good support, can get pitchy and nasal easily, they also have a lot of strained and unsafe belt...
nmixx might just be one of the most talented groups in kpop. their vocal prowess is just insane having lily and haewon, the top vocalists of this generation in the same group and other 5 members have a sense of support. they really excel in every category.
@L.B. talent matters not the freaking charts lol
@L.B. are you lost? i was clearly talking about their talents/skills and for an experimental debut song, they charted just fine 💀
@@savitathakur7513 Talent is great but if you can't make good songs it's useless
@@maarie8145 haha only for you hun , we all love o.o & tank
@@maarie8145 they only released 2 songs marie, calm down
TXT WORST VOCALS????If you can see their performance they are great. I can say that they are not perfect artist but including them to worst is a big NO for me.I seen a lot of vocal coaches who reacted to their first take and they are really impressed to TXT vocals.And pls TXT choreos are really hard but they can still sing live pretty well.
frl for all the netizens saying txt cant sing i wanna hear one of their RAPPERS sing the way yeonjun can 💀
HYBE got them boys jumping nonstop and doing whole workouts and their MICS WERE STILL ON. enough said.
@@itsme-ew9pqexactly.... I am so tired of these haters mostly stays and armies. They should listen to txt performances before commenting and yeonjun can sing , he can hit high notes too. His performances in 2023 were so good even though he sang live.... I don't know what these haters are trying to prove without getting enough information about a group they just hate then. I agree with your point their choreography is hard asf and they sing live too .
@@itsme-ew9pqSinging and being good vocalist is different no one is good vocalist in TXT they're one of the weakest in term of vocal.Only one/two of them can support which is very shallow so they strain every note.Like compare the vocals Nmixx weakest Bae who is sub vocalist of group is better than all TXT combined and have better support.So the gap between two group is very vast that it's so noticable.Hybe group are performance based group and doesn't have good vocal line except seventeen so it's no surprise in any way
LEMME MOVE MY BANGS SO I CAN SEE THAT AGAIN???? THE TXT??? TOMORROW BY TOGETHER? BAD VOCALS?? HELLO???
She can't even show any vdo where they sang bad how funny
@@sharikasinha1944 because theres none lol!
THE SAME REACTION I HADDD CUZ AINT NO WAYYY.
Why txt? 😭
They're so good at singing and rapping too
Yea
Thats what i thought. They are all-rounder based group bur still got critized "lack of vocal"
they can sing ,but their vocal like very plain
@@vhuye "Criticized" by antis not by professionals and that's what matters
@@idontcareabtyou Are you a vocal student? Clearly no but maybe tone dead bc bc their vocal line definitely ain't plain.
1. Fearless is a very difficult song to perform even for idols and professional singers. Le Seraffim just get for literally EVERYTHING they do.
2. TXT have such amazing vocals and I'm not saying this becuz I'm a MOA I became a becuz of their amazing stage presence and outstanding vocals. Even in the clip u showed from the love song encore stage Taehyun flawlessly hit the high note.
For the people who say that the idols can't sing live and the proof they have are encore stages are just not enough. Becuz in encore stages idols are enjoying and jumping around having fun with each other and other things.
When I saw txt was gonna be there, I just thought of a clip from a Behind the scenes with Taehyun slaying a highnote and I mentally face palmed
Mammamoo has been singing live since they debut
I Actually Agree With you Specially when it Goes to TXT Like Srsly In my Opinion They have One Of the Best Vocals among 4th Gen Kpop Group The Vocal Line in Amazing If u Just Check out every Live performances of them It is Flawlessly Done.
Fearless is an easy song ...💀
@@MarinetteDupainCheng-mj1uk True Sooo True
calling Liz lacking in vocals is ridiculous
Ikr
Tbh even tho liz is a good vocalist I wouldn't say she's one of the best in 4th gen. I think she does have the potential from what I've heard so far plus she comes from starship which as shitty of a company it may be, they have given us some of the best vocals in the industry e.g sistar and wjsn. Both groups have phenomenal vocals and if starship does with Ive what they have with other groups I think liz could grow to be one of the best in her gen
Exactly how are you calling Liz and txt bad vocalist like what-
It’s not …. Their songs don’t show her skills. I’m always wondering what can she do
@@sammyraeperry I mean come on there is literally only 4 songs, we can’t complain yet? she slayed in royal, but we haven’t seen her strengths fully so yeah
I can't believe people came for StayC. If you look at their live vocals all around, they are really great.
Saying TXT got bad vocals just because of an encore stage they enjoyed like be serious. They are one of the best 4th gen grps with great vocal and who actually sing LIVE
These young idols gave their whole heart and energy in their performance and don't expect a perfect encore when they win, let them enjoy their win bcs that is the only time they can enjoy themselves on the stage (and encore stages should not be really taken seriously at all)
if we get some vocal classes to control breath etc. We all can sing fine while having fun, jumping etc💀
@@chiyu7517 Backtrack is not the same as playback lmao, they can have backtrack and still sing live
@@misunyan3429 that's what i said lmfao💀🤦🏻♀️, but most of the time backtrack is louder than their voices so we dont hear them well.
@@chiyu7517 they can sing LIVE while they are playing and celebrating their encore stage/s, you're just nitpicking small imperfections to hate on the aforementioned groups
@@jelly_beans1347 i dont think my comment is shading any group or hating them.
TXT??? BAD VOCALS?? YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME.
They are not bad but Hybes vocals in general are on the weaker side of the industry they focus a lot on dancing
TXT IS MY FAV IN 4TH GEN
@@lumany5372 They aren't weak either. It's not about Hybe we are talking about, it's TXT
@@userfriendlyforever they are anywhere in the middle
There are a lot of groups who are worse and a lot who are better
@@lumany5372 If we include female groups too then yes. Still they aren't even near of average.
I saw txt in Atlanta a week ago and they do not belong on this list. I was honestly shocked by how good their live vocals were. especially yeonjun and taehyun
stayc is probably the most overrated gg when it comes to vocals. people mistook their stability for good technique which is just wrong. but in technical view, they are all undeveloped vocalists. what really matters to me is that they are not afraid to sing live which is what a performer should be!
this. I appreciate the effort behind live vocals while dancing, but I much prefer idols who have solid technique and breath control so they don’t hurt their vocal cords in the long run. yoon has such a powerful voice but absolutely no technique because she’s always yelling out the lyrics. she could be a BEAST if she got the proper training
@@LaLaLand926 fr! yoon has so much potential, idk why their company won't invest in proper vocal coaching instead of letting the girls belt and strain consistently, which might damage their vocal cords permanently. i mean, they are still so young and the room for improvement is big.
Thank god someone is saying it. Like at one bit of this video said, the bar is so low for 4th gen that everyone can get excited about average vocals. Don't get me wrong stayc has good music but they're all just average vocally as a group. Even sieun who although has shown us she can give us more from her vocals are kinda average. I thought that now aespa have begun to sing live I'd stop seeing the stayc vocal queens of the 4th gen narrative but nope.
Stacy also can't support, about netizens claiming they are on par with I've I disagree. Liz can support therefore Liz is better than all Stayc members
@@injunnie6568 that's true, if we rank them objectively it goes liz > isa> sieun > yoon > the rest
I’m so shocked??? To see txt there???!!! Like WTF???
SAME
Same
Same girl
Samee
Iam really very shock to see TXT in this video
txt?? Their voice during concert was so stable they literally hit notes while jumping around and doing their complex choreography’s.
taehyun is literally one of the best vocalist in kpop overall. kai and yeonjun are amazing vocalists as well and they could be main vocalists for sure if it wasnt for taehyun. soobin and beomgyu have unique vocal tones which only adds to the group as a whole. whats more, they are amazing dancers, performers and have great connection with fans. txt is top 5 group in 4th kpop when it comes to talent.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dude netizens are the ones who hate txt though and i understand that your mad, but you can't hate on innocent people except for the stupid haters and most importantly,you make sense
@@itsbootifulnotbeautiful taehyun and yeonjun literally go viral every single day in korea because of their vocals. i wouldnt trust the “south korean netizens who post on naver” kind of people because they cannot be treated seriously. they literally bully young idols for having acne on their back.
@@polishyemi more like criticise
I wont say he is best. He isnt at the level of Vocal lines of exo ,btob , seventeen or nct. Who have some of best vocalist . But yeah he far from average. He is very good.
its really funny how kpop stans call the 4th gen lacking when it comes to vocals as if 3rd generation of kpop was filled with one million amazing main vocalists. BOTH generation have outstanding vocalists and dancers and i wouldnt say that one generation is more superior than the other
Exactly and it’s dumb for people to compare generations because each generation has different standards.
well yeah the 3rd gen was filled with MUCH more talented great vocalists than the 4th gen. The strongest 4th gen vocalist cant even hold a candle towards the strongest 3rd gen vocalist
@@xyzb9361 THIS! 3rd Gen had more strong vocalist than 4th gen tbh. Its the truth. Example: Baekhyun, Chen, D.O, B.A.P Daehyun, Mamamoo, Red Velvet Wendy & Seulgi etc...
@@shahirashamshulanuar3511 I'll add Hui, Jinho, and all the vocalists in Btob to 3rd gen's excellent vocalists.
3rd gen definitely has more good vocalist then 4th gen , also 3rd gen has few iconic vocalists that people will cherish them as legends, people are asking for 5th gen already, yet 4th gen really didn't show a strong vocalist to at least stand before 3rd gen's many lead vocal.
TXT????? Just why
Can netizens stop comparing TXT and BTS they are totally different from each other
Literally
Right! Doesn't mean they are in the same company they always have to compare them like come on
It’s getting tiring of them comparing both of the group smh
They be literally comparing two groups with so different genres.
Le sserafim sang live in debut era unlike the other 4th gen groups who lip sync, they not be perfect, but they are improving and is good
and stayc ♡
this video is not about live singing. its about vocal ability. 2 different things
@@puujeelkhagva8575 thank you.
If you mean the 4gen leader they might not sing live often, but when they do there's no much different to their CDs so bark and cry how you want. They will be always on top of the 4gen ❤️🧡
Le sserafim, stayc, nmixx, itzy, skz💅
If you think stayc has bad vocals you are just a hater…they have the one of the best music and vocals in kpop right now.
SO TRUE!!
No…
@@lemon871 have you even heard their vocals?
@@areeshauzair9520 they are one who the weakest vocal group on the 4th Gen industries, they has bad singing technique, very unhealthy belt and always strainning above A4, the good thing they have is just really good stamina and good pitch, that's why alot of people with zero knowledge of vocal pedagogy thought they were good
Isa and Seeun are carrying the whole group. It’s not the girls fault but their company seriously needs to get the others vocal training
To be honest 2nd and 3rd generation groups are more strong vocally than 4th generation , but some of this problem are a lil bit ridiculous..
I have to say that compared to 3rd gen, some 4th gen groups don't have that insane vocal stability when singing live while dancing, but I guess is due to the fact that many are so young, so I agree with the comment of them getting much better with time. Also not having too much stability while singing doesn't mean they can't sing. Plus, when they sing live and it doesn't sound too good people be really complaining and then when idols do lipsync they also complain... I feel bad because all of these groups just get attacked for almost everything
I agree but it's also bc 4th gen choreos are more energetic and rlly difficult especially most boy grps
TXT are actually one of the groups that can be comparable to 3rd gen groups based off their skills. Their all rounders for a reason and I feel like some netizens will nitpick them just because of the debut hype and constantly being compared to BTS who is a group the biggest boy group in the world. The group doesnt have any set positions for a reason. Every member of TXT can excell at any catagory dance, singing, and rap but yeonjun always charms everyone with his rap and TXT is not a group with rap heavy songs or a rap heavy concept in general so the fact that all members could rap, sing, and, dance is already really impresseive. Its hard to find groups like that in 4th gen and not all 3rd gen was as versatile as TXT is.
@@itsme-ew9pq No they can't their best vocal are most at weak tier...groups like Nmixx Aespa weakest vocalist are in weak to Average tier so no they're very weak
The clip of TXT encore stage Taehyun literally slayed the “I know it’s real I can feel it” tf😂
Really be contradicted themselves i thought TXT was just the clickbait. My jaw was on the floor I generally beleive 99percent of the time netizens be reaching like all the way up their ass 💀😭 sorry for the profanity.
I fully disagree about TXT like how are they even mentioned here? They are literally one of the best 4th gen groups in terms so vocals, they sure are not the best but definitely not the WORST. They all literally can sing so well especially taehyun and not to mention their versatility.
(PS: their songs are so freaking good even the bsides imo)
Album sales are so important because even though they dont have the biggest fanbase in 4th gen they still outsell when it comes to albums meaning they dont have skips in their music. Music can only be good when u can sing and theirs a versatility in singing in any concept the fact that taehyun tought himself how to sing with a growl shows their growth as respected artist. no shade but some groups title tracks might do well but their album songs are trash. Theirs just not a style TXT can pull off and a Ballad is peice of cake.
⚠️: no hate, I love truly stan all these groups
In my honest opinion all of them are talented artist with so much potential. Most of these "bad" singing clips are during encore stages when the idols are having fun and enjoying their win so I don't know why people expect perfection.
Yes I admit there's a bit brushing off to do here and there but come on people, they're humans like everyone of us, nobody's perfect. Think about everything they're already doing to meet up to the "standards". These idols practice for Lord knows how long everyday to present a produce and present good music for us. They have to sings, dance and look good while doing everything just to please people.
And bruh, most of the people hating on them can barely meet the standards they set themselves. It's disgusting really.
Again nobody's perfect, people will make mistakes along the way but having on them isn't gonna suddenly make them perfect.
just came here after watching ive sing "i am" live... lol
Like seriously??? TXT??? Their skills are at par. Vocals, Dancing, Rapping and Stage Presence they are God Tier.
STAYC is one of the groups where all its members can sing and they're weakest vocal-wise? LOLOLOLOL. How comedic.
Starship should have properly trained IVE before debuting them, this could have saved them from a lot of hate. Even tho I agree that their songs are top tier and they are one of the best 4th gen groups, they are really left behind in skills they should have as an idol group such as dancing, rap and especially singing. Hope they improve in their upcoming comeback
Da fck… IVE has a talent on every thing you listed. Did you ever listen ROYAL or any of LIZ’s solo covers? Or have you ever seen LOVE DIVE dance break? Or Rei’s SOLO cover and ROYAL’s rap part? Eleven wasn’t a song that have a lot of dance in it cause it’s a slow song? + IVE is one of those 4th gen girl group who has balls to sing live you can see it on every performance they did. Unlike your idols…
@@ebb4466 Ik they can do everything I listed in my comment but they are not very good in it. Liz and Yujin are the only decent vocalists in IVE. They are average in dancing and Rei and Gaeul are also average in rapping. And are you really expecting me to believe that they have the balls to sing live? Watch the dream concert, other than Liz and Yujin their vocals were pretty unstable especially Leeseo and i doubt if Wonyoung even sang. And don't even get me started on the eleven encores. They have room for improvement and I was just giving constructive criticism so go take a chill pill
@@hiyyihhi yes you are right about me I have to write more polite than this. Sorry for that. But i don’t think you are right about decent vocals cause in Royal Yujin hitting a high range too. + we can’t say anything about IVE’s vocal or rap cause they only have 4 song at this time and only few of the girls has chance to prove their talent. We can only talk about their dance and stage presence and as you know they are amazing in both of them…
@@ebb4466 OH I actually meant to add Yujin in the vocals part sorry about that. And yes I know that IVE are rookies and they are still improving, but imo they don't really have the skills a group should have before debuting. I mean look at Nmixx, they are just a 5 month old group but already so many people recognized them for their amazing vocals + live vocals and stage presence. I hate to complain but other than Yujin I really don't feel thrilled to watch their fancams. If we are talking about Wonyoung, I am sorry but her stage presence only consists of smiling the whole time and winking. That might have suited IZ*ONE's concept but considering IVE's concept it doesn't look very appealing
sadly, no one cares about training idols properly in kpop 🤷🏼♀️ like sunmi even said that one of her coaches told her that she needs to pratice now because once she debuts, there is no time for proper vocal training in kpop anymore
i personally dont think txt vocals are average. maybe ive and le sserafim might still need some work on their vocals but they just debuted a year or less than a year ago. theyre still young and people should stop setting them on such high bars like the second or third gen. And i think people are just trying to make txt seem average. They might not be the next bts but theyre good enough to be called good singers and idols.
Not y'all saying fearless is a difficult song? Is one of the most easiest songs I've ever heard in kpop and I'm a fan since 2nd generation.
Ikr if you put it in comparison to Gfriends choreography and good live vocals. Lesserafim did not meet the same standards that gfriend set
Are you even serious?
I don't know what groups you stan but txt is literally one of best vocalists in kpop. Their vocal techniques, skills and range is so unique. Have you heard any of their vast discography? They have one of best discography in music in general. No skips at all and the amount of genres are insane. I love each and every song of them. And they were appreciated for their live singing. And they were even nominated for best live award for their concert act:boy. I don't agree with the txt one in this video.
I am not a music expert nor has seen any video by voice couch or teacher analysing txt. However i see in comments when people are talking about vocals in 4th gen, most will mention treasure and ateez.
@@bluey3538 I have also heard treasure and ateez, their vocalists are strong and good but txt is the best according to me. Singing is not just hitting some high notes according to me. I love music so I am into the vocal techniques and skills. I love the emotions that is being portrayed by the singer, in txt songs, I can literally feel the emotions by their voices which is why I can relate to them a lot. Literally all the members can sing. I recommend you to listen to their songs like Anti-Romantic, Trust Fund Baby, Love Sight, Hitori no yoru, Ring, Ito etc. Their voices are crystal clear.
@@abiayazaharakhan9113 i have no doubt on your opinion. I'm just saying when ppl talking on vocals, they usually mention those 2 groups only. I am not bothered about vocals as i think kpop idols in general are descent singers anyway 🤭. On txt songs actually 2 days ago i listened to snippets on txt song ranking to add to my txt song collections. I got several new songs but my no 1 favorite is still i know i love you, that song is epic to me 🤭
@@bluey3538 I don't even have any problem with ateez and treasure being praised for their vocals or anything else. I don't have anything to do with them so 🤷🏻♀️ but I simply didn't like that this video is talking shit about txt vocals 😤 because it really triggered me out. I don't agree with the opinion of this video in general. People can praise their faves, I don't have any problem with that but insulting txt vocals it's a big humiliation and I completely don't support this and that's it🤚🏻
@@abiayazaharakhan9113 i can understand why you are pissed here. I don't think the video creator know much about other group that has weaker singers 😅.
I am sorry but they weren’t even trying to sing very good they were having fun literally they can’t judge based on one event. Btw yeonjun and kai is going viral for their vocals so txt right now isn’t considered or shouldn’t be like that
Nothing about TXT vocal is generic....pretty sure netizens judging them based on encore stage never saw or heard them perform before.
I love how each member has unique vocals yet well blended together and they are versatile 💖
And these criticisms are why companies are making their idols lip sync because netizens nitpick at everything. All these groups mentioned, I had no issue with their live singing. I was just happy to hear idols losing their breath while dancing, I honestly appreciate any gen 4 idols for live singing
Excuse me but what is 4TH GEN IT BOYS doing here?
Coz of weak vocal
@@noriawawa9073 They don't have weak vocals.
@@noriawawa9073 Cause of views bruh.
txt and stayc live singing is good according to me
Friendly reminder that kazuha hit all yunjin's notes in antifragile when she got covid, and chaewon is a very good idol vocalist and has proven herself several times.
I first fell that they were bad at singing but the intro of fearless is deep
And if you dont have a deep voice you can sing with a stable voice.
They just can this cannot be practised as much as singing high.
And that note is still bad
TXT and STAYC having bad vocals? Are you def? They're good at singing live though.
Yes, they are stable, but that doesn't make them a good vocalist...
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 at least they are stable and can hit the right notes live. The same can’t be said for IVE and Le Ssersfim, so their popularity is more about visuals honestly.
Must be hard for HYBE match visual artists + good vocals. So far this company didn't have any group with good vocals even the popular group is lack of it.
well said
Except TXT😊
Just wait, STAYC is going to be legendary.
Honestly, I am yet to be wowed by the vocal skills of Enhypen as a group. I remember them being amazing as individuals on I-Land. What happened?
I land was a dance competition.
@@rrhase4784 Lol! Still I remember good vocals on the show.
yeah right? the company adds autotune to most (if not all ) of their songs and they seem to struggle to sing high notes as well, and I'm yet to seem to have good rap parts ( if you know some please tell me cause I haven't listened to their whole discography yet ), I'm waiting to see if they'll ever improve to consider staning them
@@rrhase4784 lol thats so true 😭😭
same. I seriously watched I-land from the very start and were with them till the end of their I-land journey, encountering stages filled with awesome live vocals without much bg music, but all I got after their debut was a huge disappointment...This is why I dont like indulging myself into a survival show so much...
If TXT's vocal is the bad then I don't know about other groups, I've seen worst Lmao. Having 1 bad encore doesn't mean they're bad singers, TXT has gone viral many times because of their live vocals and netizens praised their recent encore stage with GBGB. Yeonjun became viral because of his live vocals in their concert with Lonely Boy, all members are stable and can sing well live while dancing to difficult choreographies. Other people even prefer their raw vocals without autotune and sometimes it's better than the studio version, they're not the best singers but they're definitely not the worst. It's true that TXT are all rounders and very talented, each members are capable of any roles/positions given to them.
Right bemogyus voice and expressions always give me chills and taehyuns growls in his voice or soobins light almost fairy like falsetto TXT were the last group I expected to see in this video I genuinly thought they were just there for clickbait 💀.
regarding stayc, i’d like to add that the girls still get vocal lessons and haven’t just thrown caution to the wind because they got to debut. they sing live and sound good doing it and they have a lot of potential
It’s unfair to say that txt has bad vocals. I was not into kpop at all but started to stan txt for there vocals. All the members are so good at singing. And its even more unfair to judge them by one encore stage when they have been singing live from debut.
They're weak vocalist their best 2 vocal who somehow have shallow support are weak tier i.e E-/+ of vocal tier so they pretty much very weak
@@chetnaprajapati8972 Txt is popular because of there vocals. Taehyun also called one of the best vocalist of 4th gen. And txt get praised a lot for there live vocals.
@@realmoa537Live singing doesn't mean good vocalist.I found it funny how you'll praise group with weak vocalline as vocally strong it's embarrassing how fans overhype their vocal.Vocally strong group example are Nmixx/exo/mamamoo/btob/super junior/aespa/Dkz theses groups wekest vocalist are still better than main vocal group like TXT so think how delusional you k-pop fans are to even to term and coined a group as vically strong.And k-pop stans in general do not know anything about vocal so what can you expect 😂😂 they're gonna boast even their idols can't hold and strained every note
For me , txt and ive have great vocals specially txt and ive is just a rookie group and taehyun and huening's vocal and yoenjun's rap are no joke
In ive yujin and Liz are really great and I think rei is a rapper not vocalists that's why it is hard for her to catch high tone
"a disappointing stage" "the minimum standard"
6:42 Taehyun hitting the high note
I am not taking side as I'm not vocal expert, but i saw ppl saying hitting high note doesn't mean one is a good vocalist
@@bluey3538 It also doesnt mean one isnt a great vocalist 💀
But whatever you say but for me in 4th gen I love the vocals of itzy, aespa , everglow, gidle, TXT , enhypen, ateez and stray kids are best but I stan all groups because every group is different in them . So don't hate any group . And for haters first try to become on their level and then speak.
Personally, for me, I applaud le sseraffim for singing live rather than lip-syncing. Many kpop rookie groups tend not to sing live because of their hard choreography(or just new to the industry), but in their stage? You can tell what a LIVE performance should be.
TXT and Stayc?
they just judged txt because of the encore and they judged stayc because their main vocalist is (not really) weak , but stayc's encore are really good and I think TXT encore isn't bad. People make it more bad.
PS: I'm not good at English. I'm sorry if there's wrong grammar and I used translator , have a great day everyone.
Nah I think your english is pretty good
This is really true! I can't believe they did this ro STAYC.
@@meepmeep563 they kept downgrading stayc because they want them to stay nugu💀
They compare a small company like high up that has 1 group with 3 other big companies, a high up debuted with the girls with a few months of training and they have everything on the channel since their vocal training.
Why expect perfection??they are not robots to just sing well in whatever style u want????
Wow, stayc slanderers are here, Talking about support and technique like they know a thing about it (not all though). STAYC may not reach your standards in terms of vocals and etc, but for us swith who is rooting and supporting them since the day they debuted, we wouldnt allow you to backlash and spread hate to stayc. You talk that stayc is just an average and no outstanding talent individually. But we swith are not seeing stayc individually, we see them as a group,WE STAN A GROUP, a group that complete each other weaknesses in terms of vocals, dance, and etc. Their individual skills can support each other, and help them shine as a group..most of all, swith is a sweet fandom, our stayc girls may not be the best of the best but atleast they gave us above average performance that not many group could make. Giving their best in each stage ,each music that is given more time to think,The discography that is unmatch (for me) . they done more ,and thats ok for swith, after all they always prove to us that every comeback, they always improve their strenght and bring so much in the table, that we cant help but to be surprise all the time. Thats all.
The worst thing is that they talk as if the high up doesn't give vocal training, they always show their singing with the vocal coach.
There's no way to compare high up with a company like SM that has thousands of idols in training.
Like there are other groups that lack in vocals and are not here, they just hate Stayc
Agencies debuting less attractive people with incredible vocals ...knetz : shaming them for their average visuals
Agencies debuting beautiful people..knetz: complaining about how talentless they are
Debuting beautiful/talented people ...knetz: snobbing them and doubting their capabilities
Yeah they Judge and criticised ppl for every thing
FRL international fans are always more sesnible and reliant when it comes to critiqing idols bc Knetz bash idols for the stupidest reasons that dont even make sense. They pick and choose who they like and its not from valid reasoning.
Alright here is my take that no one asked for...
IVE:
I understand criticism towards Rei, when watching a performance you want to hear every note and it can be annoying when it's not even attempted. That being said, yesterday when I watched a bunch of IVEs live performances, Rei has some of the best stability in the group. Plus a lovely voice and some nice vibrato. And that's hard to do while doing choreo. She is definitely skilled and talented and I believe she improved with Love Dive. Rei, Yujin and Liz stand out to me the most when they perform their vocals. Not that the other members are bad. Infact I truly believe that IVE has great vocals and stability when performing. But for some reason Yujin, Rei and Liz always impress me, especially with Love Dive. All of the members have improved with Love Dive and I know they are going to slay the next comeback.
Le Sserafim:
They are talented and I get that lower songs are harder to sing but we shouldn't lie here just because we like them. They really need to improve. The shakiness, off notes, they need to be improved. And they just debuted, which means there is a ton of room for improvement as they further their career. They all have the potential to improve and be better, and I'm looking forward to future comebacks. The most stable member with good vocals in my opinion is Chaewon and sometimes Kazuha really impresses me too, especially when she didn't train for long. I understand the "oh but the choreo is hard" reasoning, but at the same time groups like ITZY who have difficult choreo, even NMIXX a bit, still hit those notes the best they can. Yeji and Lily come to mind because they almost always hit those notes whole dancing. And as for the low notes, I see how they are hard to hit. But that doesn't mean they can't work on their breath support and hit them. I apologise if it sounds like I'm comparing groups I'm just trying to come up with an example.
StayC
Their vocals are pretty good in my opinion. Nothing particularly outstanding but no where near bad either. They definitely have talent and absolute bops though, Run 2 U is always on repeat in my household lol. I was fine with their live performances, some of them were better others in terms of vocals but I do think they will also improve in time. Once again, choreo is a factor when we hear shakiness and poor technique in performances. But that doesn't mean they don't need to work on it, because they do. While I understand people saying their vocals are some of the most powerful in Gen 4 I can't help but disagree. When I think of the best 4th Gen vocals, StayC just doesn't come to mind. I personally think of NMIXX and Aespa but that's my personal opinion. However they are pretty good and I know they'll just get better and better.
TXT:
I don't really stan nor know much about TXT so I can't really make too much of a comment but I always thought their vocals were great. I get that they have some off moments, and some performances are better than others but at the same time their vocals are nice to hear and they are all so talented. As I said previously they will improve as their career goes further.
The bottom line is, most of these groups are fairly new. And singing while trying to do perfect choreo is very difficult. A performers job is not easy. Some idols are very busy, tired, possibly dehydrated and maybe not getting the nutrition needed which plays a small role in all of this. It's hard for them to be in the public eye, especially one so critical. They are under alot of pressure. It's natural for some groups to lack vocal stability/technique, especially when they are new but I really think all of these groups can and will improve drastically. They all have the potential to show us some great vocal skills and they will.
This is just my personal opinion. :)
I completely agree with you. Plus people shouldn't judge when they literally only saw one clip of them singing badly, and yes, im talking about txt antis.
@@fbjmmll_2309 pls,show me one video where IVE live singing with stable,great vocals. Bc I watched so many performances with live vocal,but I didn't see anyone who supported expect Liz.
Definitely agree with you here 💯
@@fbjmmll_2309 I agree. They watch one viral clip and make up their minds. So biased.
@@rednblak06 I'm relieved! I was worried that I came off as too harsh lol
Saaaad. This generation of Kpop is no longer based off talents, it’s based off beauty.
Why is IVE on this list they amazing and their vocal are amazing😤like what.
they use I've for views
There are way more worsts 4th gen groups than txt and stayc when it comes to overall vocal capabilities especially live vocals 😭 I don't want to mention them but I know I'm not the only one who thinks so.😂 TXT is even considered as one of the 4th gen groups who is good at overall vocals (every member) especially when performing live. They may not be the best but to say that they are one of the worst out there? I'm sorry but it's just plain stupid. 😊
Lol
@@sejaljustin7232 What lol bruh?
Yeah, totally agree, these two groups should not belong in this list.
1:21 I'm getting second hand embarrassment
I love them so much but same 😭
I love them
I think what people don't understand is that some groups (for example IVE, ITZY) are designed to make trendy and addictive songs and groups (for example NMIXX) who are designed to show off their vocal skills rather than have a addictive trendy song
All of them can sing. These "netizens" need to be cancelled because they think they're all that and think they are above everyone else, but in general everyone knows they are insecure that they cant sing/rap as good as these idols, that they cant be as pretty/handsome as these idols, so they try to bring the idols down for their own needs because they are not happy that someone is better than them.
yall love hating on ive and it shows, i bet theres gonna be a video called "4 worst breathing groups of gen 4: number one ive!!! ew their breathing is fricking TERRIBLEEEE booo 🙄🙄"
*what the damn hell! Stayc?? I think they're the Queen's of live singing? Like they're good at vocals, all of em....TXT SLAYING ALL STAGES... EVEN TAEHYUN SAID THEY TEND TO SING HIGHER THAN THE AUTOTUNE BRO THEYRE VOICES ARE ANGELIC*
The excuse of 'rookie group' doesn't count
They might need time for better performance but not for talent.
They already trained for YEARS before debuting
I'm not a Swith but lately, Stayc really catch my eyes.All the B-side songs are my cup of tea.I found that Seeun voice cracked a few times but let's admit it even DK and Seungkwan who are great vocalists also cracked sometimes(I'm a Carat).We are all humans after all.Mistake mean that you tried .I really appreciate that they have the gut to sing live and hope that they continue to challenge themselves while improving their skills.Im anticipating for their upcoming comeback.
same!! I'm not also a swith but I love their live performances, especially their songs
Ikr. I can't believe they lumped STAYC with these groups as one of the worst vocals and did not even show a clip of them singing. Lol. This channel is just for clout.
@@meepmeep563 I also cannot find any video highlighting that they can't sing on RUclips. This video only use some knet comment to include STAYC here.Kind of make no sense
Yeah we know that Crack voice is not a problem but the difference between dk&seungkwan and sieun that dk and seungkwan are technically in high vocal tier ( Above average) while sieun is an underdeveloped vocalist
@@soujoudlouhichi9695 That's why they do vocal training to improve, it's a fact that they learn it, it's just not something you learn overnight.
Support Sieun G#4/A4
Yoon and Isa can take it too.
The producer says he wants them to be legendary and will invest as much as possible in them.
they heard one encore stage and called txt bad vocalists ☠️
and the encore was knowhere near bad so they look like clowns
It wasn't even that bad...
why are people forgetting that fromis_9 is also a HYBE girl group and can sing better than LE SSERAFIM
Yeah they are better then le sserafim
Yunjin outsinging everyone in that group tho
@@user-qc7tg2pv4o lol tryna hide the fact that the other members have weak vocals?
@@user-qc7tg2pv4o don't forget the other members
they cant lmao
STAYC WHAT THEY LITERALLY DRAG THEM FOR NOTHING
i think it is sooo wrong and irrelevant to put TXT in this list
txt might not have the best vocalist in 4th gen since theres idols like yedam jongho, but their live vocals are real good and keeps improving. for lesserafilm, the song is just hard to sing and they’ve actually improved so much from their first live stage to their most recent ones.
I'm sorry, BUT STAYC and TXT on here?
Honestly true,
@@piarsephone What true?
@@userfriendlyforever the surprise in seeing them here
@@piarsephone Oh okay.
Did they even heard Taehyun ? How TXT have bad vocals ??
TXT are super talented- a couple of bad stages with poor music quality isn’t their fault- in-ear mic systems and poorly timed backtracks can account for many issues. These four guys have amazing vocals.
I feel like encores should be abolished. It was suppose to be this casual fun thing for the groups to do for fans now its weaponized by antis to judge the groups singing.
I blame the 3rd Gen for setting the bar to high 😭
4th Gen literally have nmixx and it just started, calm down.
@@userfriendlyforever Nmixx being in 4th gen literally does nothin and tbh dont get rilled up cuz ppl think 3th gen is better it just has more experience and ppl r more familiiar with them
@@wardazia6846 Your commen shows you don't have common sense. 4th Gen just started and nmixx is definitely aa standard. And what about you don't get riled up bc you are being defensive over nothing lol.
@@userfriendlyforever Im the one being defensive?? honey arnt u the one trying so hard to prove that nmixx is relevant?? i never hated on nmixx or the 4rd gen while u r questioning my common sense when u cant even use simple grammar.
@@wardazia6846 Simple grammar? Honey, it's called typing mistake. And talk about grammar when you learn how to type properly. And if I misunderstood you then tell me politely instead of being rude. I thought you meant 4th Gen can't be one 3rd Gen level. I mean I'm not a 4th Gen fan. But what I meant is let's wait and see.
I can understand that no. 1 and 2 having vocals problem, but I believe it can be fixed since they're still young and not even long since they debuted. But what is STAYC and TXT doing listed in this video?
PS: Sometimes singing off key isn't the idols vault. Especially if it happens almost the entire song. If it's bad singing it's mostly on them, if it's off key it can be technical issue
This generation of kpop is getting more and more problematic. Hoping that the future generation groups wouldn't experience these harsh things done by delusional netizens.
every generation has many delusional netizens
wdym 💀
I miss gfriend, all the members in gfriend were just perfect. After changing the management everything changed in hybe company. Hybe just can't do whatever they want nd also they should never forget that without bts hybe would've been ntg.
(This is no hate towards any of the groups) I really think the vocal quality has decreased since 3rd. Especially being an EXOL and seeing how powerful EXOs debut was vocally it’s surprising to see how the 4th gens are. But every group has something they’re good at whether it be vocals, dancing etc
they don’t debut vocalists like baekhyun or kyungsoo anymore
Add in Chen
Literally bring me one 4th gen group that can pull off 0X1 LOVESONG live. TXT literally had one bad encore and people called them the worst vocalists ever whereas 98% of 4th gen bgs exist. But then again TXT have proved them 100 times how great vocalists they are. They are one of the few groups left that still focus on vocals and not just dance and ugly rapping.
Some Knets and antis r literally the worst
Like bro leave em alone theyre just trynna sing
And if ur complaining so much then do it urself 🙄
one bad performance doesnt mean theyre bad😭