BeniYuki Reaper Funny thing is, during the second Quebec referendum Alaska was also exploring the possibilities of becoming independent or joining up with BC to become a independent state. The representative for the Alaska Independence Party was going to talk or the UN about an independent Alaska though he was murdered 2 weeks before he could.
BeniYuki Reaper It was sorta related, apparently the guys friend killed him. Don't exactly know why, only thing I know is the guy tried to blow himself up but survived somehow.
Close referenda are so interesting because if they fail they are almost immediately forgotten, but if they succeed they are known forever. The Australians had a referendum on whether to become a Republic and it narrowly failed. The New Zealand flag referendum almost changed the flag. Norway almost joined the EU and Sweden almost didn't. Denmark almost adopted the Euro. Italy only narrowly became a Republic after WW2, southern regions overwhelmingly voted to keep the King.
Alberta is like that one kid in a large family that always wants attention, so lashes out. Alberta's way of lashing out is being Neocon Central. Face it, Alberta. You're boring. You're cut off from BC by the Rockies, then you just have the prairies for days before Ontario and the rest of Canada to the east. Alberta shouldn't even be a thing, but because it has so much money from raping the earth, it feels it should be more important. You're not. Just enjoy being a farmer or rancher, or leave.
@@bigchumbawumba2355 I live in Alberta and I 100% agree with you. I'm not 100% convinced our federal leaders could find any of the maritimes on the map. Only reason they know how to find Alberta is because that's where they go to top up their empty bank accounts.
Well, Canada probably wouldn't have given Quebec the Northern portions of the Province of Quebec. Just the regions bordering the St. Lawrence River where pretty much all of the people live. The rest is native speaking for the most part and sparsely populated.
Sometimes I wish the guys that make these videos would get right into all the stuff you guys are talking about here. I thought this video could have been more detailed.
www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/abitibi-temiscamingueinquebec-png.21064/ This is how I believe it will work out. The north does have some French, but they are very sparse.
I think it was pretty detailed. I don't think he was trying to talk about Quebecois Independence as much as he wanted to talk about the effect it would have and Saschachewanian (surprised I spelled that right. xD) independence.
I respect the Scots for asking a very direct question in their referendum. Compare the two approaches. 1995 Quebec referendum question: “Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?” 2014 Scotland referendum question: “Should Scotland be an independent country?”
To be fair Parizeau wanted to ask a simple question but had to make a concession to Bouchard to ask that convoluted question instead. Parizeau, as well as many Québec sovereigntists including myself, don't believe the negotiations with Canada would lead to anything and rather just declare independence after a winning referendum.
@@Imsemble Quebec independence is less likely year after year. With plenty of Quebec's population not being native, and the younger generation having much less desire for independence. The 90s was likely the closest Quebec will ever become to independence, and unless a massive crisis occurs it will stay that way.
Honestly, Saskatchewan getting annexed by the US would have been hilarious, just imagine a giant block of US jutting into Canada. absolutely beautiful.
Hilarious, but also impossible. Let's assume they even manage to secede and the Canadian government lets them go. The USA would *never* accept an annexation. We value our relationship with Canada proper- who'd be rather pissed if we nabbed that chunk of territory. Similarly, we're kinda pals with the UK, who'd feel rather slighted by this turn of events as well. Then there's all the other political issues involved, like potential statehood and how we handle voting and legal infrastructure. We still haven't given Puerto Rico recognition as a state, and they have three times Saskatchewan's population. ... It's just not worth all the headaches. Now, if All Of Canada wants to join up... that we might consider worth it...
I really do wonder what might have happened to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland if Quebec became independent though, that'd make one ugly piece of a bordergore.
If a war against bordergore must be made, then a war against bordergore shall be made. Though that would be kind of a downer to live there. "We don't care for your lands or your peoples whatsoever, but because it looks bad on a map, you are now under our control! Now get out!"
if Quebec seceded, the eastern townships and northern quebec would stay with canada, because the eastern townships are anglophone, and the north is native land, also quebec secessionists wanted a sort of union with canada
Well especially considering Newfoundland didn't even join Canada until the 1940's. Maybe they never would've joined?? They might've even joined Quebec instead
Today even the referendums failed Quebec already seems to be a country without the Military and a UN seat. - They control their own immigration intake as a province. Other prov don't have that power. - They have their own entertainment industry and their own famous celebrities which are unknown to other parts of Canada. -Their local Parliament is called the "National Assembly". -They are described as a "nation" within a United Canada. - They have "diplomatic offices" abroad which serve as mini embassies but without the name and such offices are still linked with the Canadian embassy in those said countries.
Ontario and Alberta have similar amounts of power. The biggest provinces have an amount of Canada similar to U.S states, but can also control their immigration to an extent.
-They use the Canadian dollar as their currency -They use Canadian debit and credit cards -Their NHL team is called the Canadiens -There are 1 million French-speaking Canadians in other provinces of Canada -They use Canada Post for their mail -They use Canadian passports -They use the Canadian coast guard -They are represented in the Parliament of Canada -Theyre clearly a part of Canada and not a country.
@@geoplanetaire Morgan stop closing your eyes and just accept the truth, Quebecers have a real culture and anglo canadian don't (they just a cheaper version of US). If independance is good for iceland, venezuela or any other nations why not for Quebec? And BTW you should learn about the origins of the word CANADA or canadians, here let me help you: www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/origin-name-canada.html
AM FUNK not entirely true. Basically anywhere outside of Ontario (which Is basically “Little America”) is distinct and unique, especially the Altlantic provinces like Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Mew Brunswick. The Québécois voted against independence twice, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. Eventually? Yes. Most likely. But right now? No way. It is true, that the word Canada comes from the French Explorers, like Jacque Cartier on the Gaspe peninsula, and was the name for the area around the Lawrence, but now, because of the British, the name was broadened to mean Ontario and Québec (province of Canada) and eventually, the country of Canada. Britain did the same thing with New Zealand, which was originally called New Zeeland, and was named after a part of Germany, and was discovered by Dutch explorers. They just took the name, as they did with Canada. It’s apart of Canadian history. Canada no longer just means Ontario and Québec, it now means the entire country. Québec, definitely being Unique within Canada, is still Canadian/ Canadien at its core. It’s functioning just fine as a semi-autonomous province.
@@RedFireRexOnly 2 million ppl lives in the atlantic provinces rex, canada is 37 mil ppl. And anything can happen at anytime on this planet, who are you to know what will and what will not happen? A minecraft gamer? thx for the good laugh
@@chocomanger6873 '' Montréal '' Yeah, not really a good argument. Montréal is the least Québécois city of Québec, about 1/3 of the population don't even speak French
Saskatchewan person here. I've never heard of this until now, that was really interesting. I wonder what my life would of been like being born into another country or the US.
If you were born in an American controlled Saskatchewan you would be born in a country that is literally and metaphorically flipping the bird to the world.
This referendum is probably the best thing to ever happen to Quebec. Ever since this, the government has been so afraid Quebec would leave that they've bent over backwards for them at every chance possible. Any time things don't go their way, simple, protest and Canada eventually gives in. It's almost like the opposite happened, instead of Quebec leaving, it took Canada hostage.
Not really true. The federal government and pro-federal provincial party promised ALOT of reforms, guarantees, protections and autonomy to Québec if it stayed in Canada. After the referendum failed (after countless scandals of corruption in the Stay camp) almost none of the promises were enacted.
Hard to think how close Quebec got to leaving Canada... that would've been hell for the Eastern provinces. Reminds me that Newfoundland also almost didn't join Canada - the initial referendum had favored independence, but a 2nd ballot was held where confederation got the majority (by only 5%)
How would it be hell? its just lines on a map, you'd still be able to drive to New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland provinces with ease. I doubt there would've a thick international border between Canada and Quebec, it would likely be like Europe..just drive though.
I had no idea I could wake up and have another country to learn the name. As a non-canadian, it looks like everytime the pools are done it gets better to the separation side so, if there's a new pool, it was good to meet you Canada.
It was brutal too being in Quebec at that time. Tension was so high that brawls happened all over areas with higher anglophone population. Also the secessionist movement is still a thing, since out of 5 political parties 1 is against a sovereign Quebec, 1 is indifferent and the rest are wholly dedicated to it.
Great video. I actually took a class with Roy Romanow (said Saskatchewan Premier) just last semester. He gave some incredible lectures on this very tumultuous time in Canadian politics.
Ok the video was nice and pretty factual, but at the end you totally missed the point and tried to depict this as a light issue, as if separation was only a whim of the population, being just a simple matter of checking yes or no. You clearly missed the reasons that caused so many people to go vote and to have such a close referendum on this issue. The notion of a distinctive people and all that are still present in the mind(to some varying extent) of every french native in north america.
Im from Saskatchewan. (Born after the 1995 referendums) Saskatchewan in the 2010s has enjoyed much economic success and isnt interested in leaving Canada now. But our friends in Alberta keep throwing the idea around. Form Western Canada with British Columbia and Saskatchewan, or join the USA. I dont think Alberta has enough support for it, but it is interesting to think about
How much does politics play a role in that independence movement? In Scotland and Catalonia the people that want independence are mostly left wing, whereas in for instance Flanders the people that want independence are mostly conservative. How is this in Quebec?
Maarten van Rossem Lezingen Quebec separatism has supporters on both sides of the political spectrum, but the two separatist parties in Quebec-the Parti Quebecois and its federal equivalent, the Bloc Quebecois-are fairly left-wing.
For my part i am closer to far right on a political spectrum on things pertaining to cultural,religious & social issues, on economic issues for me it's a "mixed bag". I have far left wing backgroud but for me, the opposition of most of them to patriotiotism and nationalism is a deal-breaking no-brainer. I'm not the only Québécois nationalist with those kinds of ideological proclivities that i've met even if i'm what you would classify as typical. Like the other commenter alluded to, they can be found on both ends of the spectrum.
I have to agree with Reilly Walker, the independence movement has support across the political spectrum. The is no real left / right divide. Obviously, the divide is french / english speaking people.
Both, still today. The more leftist and the more rightist agree on independance. They just hope a different country than the other one at the end of the day.
Thanks for that bud. Was in milliary when the vote happened,was worried at the time. Canada doesn't know how close we came to hurting eachother over nothing cheers.
I'm from Saskatchewan & our consideration of joining the USA was out of pure desperation. The province's economy was totally in the toilet in the mid 90s & we were nearly bankrupt. Many Canadians thought that it would be difficult just to survive in our country in a few short years. In contract the USA appeared as this golden wonderful place. Then George Bush got elected an the 9/11 attacks happened. This completely changed our perspective of the USA. We realized that Canada as a country (in spite of it being dreadfully cold in winter) was actually a pretty good place to live. You'd be hard pressed to find a Saskatchewanian that still wants to join the USA now.
Canada is originaly french, the name Canada was given by the french explorer, the canadians was originaly the french settlers, that's why the Hockey team of Montreal it's called 'Montreal Canadien' the word "Canadien" refer to the early meaning of this word, even the national anthem was originaly written in french, by and for french canadian, befor everything was overtaken by english canadians, even the maple leaf on the flag is a direct symbole of french canada, the early french settler learn from the natives indians how get maple syrop from the tree, to this day quebec is the first producer of maple syrop in the world, Canada in general has no culture or history, but the only culture and history you will find about canada is ultimately linked to the french canadians
Actually Canada was originally Native Canadian. The first white settlers were in fact Vikings and settled in Newfoundland and Labrador. It wasn't until much later that the French showed up and claimed it for their own. The English weren't far behind. And, if pop culture has been telling the truth, the name "Canada" was the Huron / Iroquois word "kanata" meaning village or settlement. Jacques Cartier was told by two youths how to get to "kanata" which to them was their village of Stadacona which is today Quebec City. The Europeans misunderstood this and took it to refer to the entire land thus naming it "Canada". And the Habs were not called Les Canadiens because of the early word. The original name of the team was , "Club athletique Canadien" because they spoke French. And later "Club de hockey Canadien" because they still spoke French. That's why there's an "H" in their symbol for "hockey". J'admet que la vrai culture Canadien c'est Quebecois mais ca veut pas dire que les Anglais en dehors du Quebec n'ont aucune valeur.
Hank Pooks, this is utter bullshit lol. Oh and who financed the colonisation and foundation of Alberta? Once the oil prices drop Alberta will be the poorest province of Canada as it is the one with the lowest econimical diversity.
Hank Pooks I supsect you are making up your facts as they arn't even close to representing the reality. Alberta would't even exist without the to largest province, nor would it have gotten its budget to develop its petrol exploitation. Worst than that, Alberta as by far the less diverse economy in Canada and it is based on petrol wich will sooner or later fall or be depleated, wich mean no provinces will be as poor as Alberta and no provinces will need Québec and Ontario as much. The other thing is that the better the economie goes in Alberta the worst it goes in Québec and the better in Québec, the worst in Alberta, this is because Alberta as a ressources based economy and Québec a production and services economy, wich is btw much more stable in general and make fr better life conditions at the same revenue. You need to go take some economic classes or something, at this point it could only help. History and politics classes could also be a good idea.
I'm from Saskatchewan, and it's pretty hilarious hearing about this, because it was a few years before I was born. Now, among young people here, I've noticed that A) Most like Québec B) Most have no opinion on eastern Canada (although I guess most agree that Manitoba is kind of a bunch of nothing) C) Most speak at least some French. Which is weird, because among the older people here, they are sick of eastern Canada's bullshit, don't like the French, and refuse to learn French. Actually, though, I don't want the French to leave...Then I wouldn't be able to light up those lazy bastards Edit: Also, it's pronounced "Sas-k*a*t-choo-*wan* where "wan" is somewhere between "won" and "one" and the "tche" is really short.
I live in Ontario and I spend quite a bit of time in La Belle Povince. It does feel like a different country in Quebec. Language, drinking age, who sells alcohol, how farming happens, terrain, TAXES, insurance, etc. is all different there. I love Kbek (phonetical spelling) I like how cheap rent is in Montreal, I love the ski hills, French girls! Oh la la! Alcohol in the corner store, Sirop D'Erable! Fromage! Also 3 of my grandparents are from Saskatchewan! They can't leave! We are family!
As a Canadian I knew about the Quebec referendums however I only had passing knowledge about the Saskatchewan succession. I would be interested to see a video about why they thought joining the US would be a good idea (more state autonomy?) and what the other two possible participants in this western Canada 2.0 thought of succession. Great vid and I hope to see more of this type of thing!
Dumb American here, when you say a "Premier" is that the Canadian equivalent to a governor in the US (as in, the head executive of the state/provincial government)?
In Canada, Federally, we elect a bunch of representatives that go to Parliament called Members of Parliament, (MPs). The leader of the most voted party becomes the Prime Minister, and he appoints other MPs to be Ministers (Finance, national Defense etc). In the provinces, we elect a bunch of representatives that go to Legislature (basically parliament) called Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs). the leader of the most voted party becomes the Premier, and they appoint other MLAs to become Ministers (Finance, education, etc)
Being from Saskatchewan I can partially understand the frustration of our Premier. We have the resources, the East has the people. A Canada where the West would seperate would result in a catastrophic collapse of the East. Economics.
Choco Manger England and Canada is the same bloody thing, so is Québec and Scotland! I am a proud scottish-descended Québecois and I want both nations to choose its own fate!
Up until 2004, kicking off the 12-year reign of PM Stephen Harper, the idea of an independent Southwestern Canada/Cascadia would have been really dank but it's unnecessary now as our concerns have all been addressed. It's no secret that everything outside of Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa basically has colonial puppet status and you didn't have a prayer of becoming Prime Minister before 2004 unless you were a mega-rich trust fund baby turned lawyer from one of those big cities. There was little to no representation of any national interests except the interests of Toronto and Montreal, because parliament was stacked with MPs from those two cities. The Prairies in particular were overruled in every grievance they brought to Ottawa. Secession was an understandable and rational response to having a drowned-out voice in the federal government. Stephen Harper was the first prime minister that really brought the interests of the Prairies to Ottawa, and we had a federally-appointed open mind to our concerns for the first time since the Dominion began. His name is a bad word because he was a neo-conservative and big city Canadian culture rails against neo-conservatism, but he is a very important part of our history now.
Harper brought a voice to the prairie but i predict BC will never have a voice brought to it within Canada. Harper didnt give us much either our voices count the least in federal elections etc. I think the only way to bring ourselves a voice is to threaten separation and if they still dont listen we might as well separate
Honestly i consider Cascadia as its commonly thought of with Washington and Oregon to be unrealistic mostly due to the hard US stance on a state leaving the US. BC is older than Canada and i think we could go alone just as something like "The Republic of British Columbia" with a statement in the constitution allowing the Yukon to join if it voted to separate from Canada and do so. We have a strong enough economy 4 million population is enough more than many countries have and if somehow washington and oregon get independence from the US union would always be possible if wanted
BC has both a slightly higher population and slightly higher GDP than New Zealand which is a fully independent nation and people are doing pretty well there too BC doesnt need Canada and BC doesnt need cascadia BC needs to finally stand alone and become the prosperous free country it could be. Cascadia in my opinion would turn out like Canada is now our voice would just become secondary to those of oregon and washington.
P77777777 As a Québécois nationalist i welcome your desire for self-determination. I hope you'll succeed in your goals,as much as i wish for my owns. British Columbia seems to have lots of good people. Never been there but know quite a few people who did, most spoked well about folks and landscapes from there.
2:23 : in fact, it only takes 27 000 people to swing the vote, not 54 000... You just need half the difference to vote for you in order to not have a vote difference anymore; throw in a few hundreds or thousands to have a difference in your favor, but you do not need to convince ALL the vote difference to vote for you, only a bit more than half of them.
Good thing that today's Quebec youth are not dumb as those who voted to go out of Canada. I feel more Canadian than Quebecois and if Quebec would go independent i would probably leave the province for Ontario or Prince Edward island .
T'es assomptions sont fausses. Je suis à l'université et je peut te dire que la majorité des personnes pensent comme moi plus mon entourage. Le Pq a eu ces plus bas resultas enregistré ces 2 dernières élections. Le partie est quasiment mort et n'a aucune vraie plateforme electorale (a l'exeption de leurs "pays") et ils ce base sur l'opignion populaire du moment pour avoir le vote des imbeciles sans aucun plan pour la création d'emplois,la renovation de notre réseaux routier,la structuration du system d'education(18 % de decrochage au secondaire),ect... Tout ce que nous apporterais une separation serait d'immense taxes pour les futures generations et la notre pour reconstruire le Quebec(la creation d'une nouvelle armée,l'achat de l'équipement de l'armée,la restructuration de notre systeme de la justice,la mise en place de nouvelle postes de frontieres,La restructuration de la Trésorerie, ect.. ( on parle de 70 a 120+ milliards de dollars) Alors n'e dis pas n'importe quoi Bob, Les sentiments mal placer des nationalists ne valent pas la destruction de notre belle province :).
antoqc I wouldn't say it's fair to call them dumb just because they have a different opinion to you. And if you don't feel Québécois, you can always leave
+George Havenhand I didn't said i hate Quebec. I just said it would be a dumb move... Like shooting myself in the foot for no valid reason's. And no i won't leave it, i would prefer convert the most people to my opinion by spreading facts and reality... And only if for example they would be more than 70% of them voting for leaving Canada(which will never happen since the nationalist party have been destroyed in the 2 last elections) then i would leave.
Even if the 1995 Référendum would've passed, I doubt Québec would've seen it's independence come to reality. Just take a look at Brexit. Canada would've done everything to halt the process and since this was mostly a pacific revolution, the movement would've died off from bureaucratic procedures and injunctions.
this is fracking scary and a good reminder why people shouldn't be allowed to vote as they have no understanding of greater ramifications of their actions. it's the same thing as a brain surgeon asks for an opinion and vote on an operation he's conducting on their family member from the patient's family as electorate.
A little precision : Québec didn't have its independance due to the English-speaking community of the island of Montreal, by their vote to stay French Canadian weren't able to win independance, sad story.
If Saskatchewan joined the US, then it would take Texas's place as second largest state. Texas would get salty and would then succeed from the US. Not an exaggeration btw, I'm from Texas. I know my people.
I voted « NO » and I regret it so much. Canadian have a country of their own (and it's ok) where we are just another minority. That was not the initial deal. The money is at Ottawa as the needs are in Quebec. At 69 years old, today I would vote YES. Nothing against Canadians. Plus the fact that we are paying twice for nothing. 2 environment minister, two health minister, 2 justice minister and on and on. May I add that I became a separatist thank to Trudeau, father and son and their multi everything Canada
Funnily enough unlike in the USA or other democracies the supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that if a referendum is won, then the federal and other provinces have to recognize it and negotiate with the seccesionists. However it is more likely that Quebec would have gotten alot more autonomy in Canada instead of full independence. And still they pretty much got everything that they wanted so another secession is unlikely.
One thing I found funny is that my teacher (who is originally from France but now teaches English in Norway) actually applied to emigrate to Canada, and all provinces accepted his immigration, except for Quebec. They wouldn’t even let a Frenchman who speaks fluent French to live in Quebec...
seawingo ça doit être pour ça que le Québec possède plus de 90% de l’immigration Française et est leurs 1er choix pour immigrés où pour des voyages. Mais j’adore les cons de démagogues ignorants, ils me font rire par leurs profondes stupidités......et toi t’es vraiment drôle.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😅😅😁😘
In fact, most of immigrants are from France and we make a lot of people coming in Quebec per quebecers compare to other states in the world. Remember that we are only 8 millions, we can't take a million immigrants per year too, but we gladly meet them in our society, at least if they are willing to speak french or learn it. In fact, most of us oppose no resistance into immigration, it is a well open minded nation.
Québec would be more like Switzerland or Austria, in terms of army, just a SDF. And Canada would probably not change anything but who knows. Andddd we should take back the name Canada, call yourself Ottawa instead
Face it dude. Canada is very divided. Even with a national identity all the provinces politically have a lot of animosity towards each other. I think that's why we fight in hockey. To our faces we quote cheesy Canadian stereotypes but on the ice is how we really feel about each other.
Obviously we live in the wrong timeline. Imagine a timeline that's exactly the same as ours, but Saskatchewan is a US State. We need the fertile growing lands of Saskatchewan to bolster American economic dominance! #Saskatchewan51
Je retrouve dans la lutte de certains québécois pour l'indépendance, beaucoup de similarités dans ma lutte pour que la France quitte l'UE: les fédéralistes qui te traitent de xénophobe isolationiste. les prophètes de malheur qui te disent que ce serait catastrophique d'un point de vue économique. les médias qui en rajoutent une tartine pour te faire flipper. Le sentiment que l'indépendance s'éloigne de plus en plus... québécois et français partageons un destin étrangement similaire.
Il y a cependant une différence marquée entre les deux mouvements et je tiens à la faire n'étant pas fan de Le Pen... Ce discours pour quitter l'UE est beaucoup d'ordre migratoire ce qui a effectivement des traits xénophobes alors que l'indépendance du Québec bien qu'il y ait des racistes indépendantistes reposent davantage sur la vitalité du français au Québec peu importe l'origine de l'immigration et sur la prospérité durable.
Interesting to see what would've happened to: 1: *Nova Scotia*, *New Brunswick* and *Newfoundland & Labrador*. Would they've stayed as Canadian exclaves? or be annexed into Quebec? Who knows? 2: That "South West Canada" nation. if it happened, would it've survived? and how would it establish relations with the rest of the world? Would what's left of Canada not recognise it as a nation? Who knows?
T-Mag 3004 nova scotia i don't know newbrunswick definately stay or being independant too ( they don't like usa ) and newfoundland ? They hate everyone lol.
I was 4 when this happened and remember the aftermath well, all the efforts made to appease Quebecois has turned Canada into this tribalistic cultural battleground. Now each culture is battling for supremacy instead of uniting under a national identity like we did with WW1.
Not sure what you're talking about in relation to WW1. I assure you that people in Québec did not appreciate conscription! But I do think that we should just calm down and live in peace.
Language, and culture are a huge deal, and are big source of tension. We call that in French the two "Grande Solitude", it's like a couple that doesn't know how to communicate. You know like a British couple! (I could not resist that joke.)
dude Guess who was giving billions to the West until the 90s? Quebec economy per capita went from second to seventh in the country since 1995. Staying in Canada as been terrible for Quebec's economy.
Sure but when the western provinces were developping (Aka. your province) Quebec as well as Ontario gave much more, this is just returning the monney you borrowed friend. Also in Quebec we are far more advanced in the green energy industries, we just don't want to be related to your nasty envirronmental disaster, wich is oil sand. We percieve it as a world embarassment. (excuse my french)
I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia and have lived in Edmonton as well as Toronto. I feel like British Columbians have more in common with our west coast American counterparts rather than the rest of Canada. I'd personally like to see us join Washington, Oregon, and California in a new country. A west coast nation could easily be one of the worlds most prosperous countries in the world and many others in BC support this as well. We actually have a political party for that movement and I proudly voted for them in 2017 BC provincial elections.
By the way, to celebrate soon 75,000 subs, once I pass that number I'll make a video of me reading dumb nationalist comments.
EmperorTigerstar Surprised because Catalonia will have an independence referendum.
EmperorTigerstar Will these nationalist comments come from people of many different countries, or just one in particular?
EmperorTigerstar please read this one: damn frenchie traitors
nationalism forever you commie furry
Please do it xD
I love how the map of the hypothetical US with Saskatchewan looks like a hand flipping off the entire universe as the Earth spins
Carlos N hahaha
Americans need Saskatchewan now.
a finger in the ass of canada
yep sure
That would be perfect for the U.S.
Saskatchewan being annexed by the US... That's pretty wierd.
I think they are the Texas of Canada and by joining the US, they would pay less taxes for oil.
BeniYuki Reaper Funny thing is, during the second Quebec referendum Alaska was also exploring the possibilities of becoming independent or joining up with BC to become a independent state. The representative for the Alaska Independence Party was going to talk or the UN about an independent Alaska though he was murdered 2 weeks before he could.
US won't ever have Alaska leave peacefully, she sits on too much oil and food.
TheSlayerofevil3 wow the US flag has to be changed again
BeniYuki Reaper It was sorta related, apparently the guys friend killed him. Don't exactly know why, only thing I know is the guy tried to blow himself up but survived somehow.
If a province of Canada were to leave and join the US, the country should be called: U.S.Eh?
So salty
Doug wot Top 10 Canadian Rebellions.
ABC 123 wrong you explained it off
ABC 123 Vancouver Island isn’t a province FYI
im dead XD
Close referenda are so interesting because if they fail they are almost immediately forgotten, but if they succeed they are known forever.
The Australians had a referendum on whether to become a Republic and it narrowly failed. The New Zealand flag referendum almost changed the flag. Norway almost joined the EU and Sweden almost didn't. Denmark almost adopted the Euro. Italy only narrowly became a Republic after WW2, southern regions overwhelmingly voted to keep the King.
Interesting
Interesting considering the King was a Northerner who invaded and annexed the South.
France could have been a monarchy in 1875, but the republicans won since the monarchists didn't agree about who would be the king
+Jackson DeCourcy No. The head of state of Australia is Queen Elizabeth II.
Western Australia has also been toying with secession and did a state referendum supporting the move for independence but it never happened.
The western province felt ignored?
As an Albertan I think you wanna remove that past-tense
Try living in the Maritimes..
This country is run by Quebec and Ontario.
that's kinda what happens when two provinces alone hold like, atleast half your entire country's population
Alberta is like that one kid in a large family that always wants attention, so lashes out. Alberta's way of lashing out is being Neocon Central. Face it, Alberta. You're boring. You're cut off from BC by the Rockies, then you just have the prairies for days before Ontario and the rest of Canada to the east. Alberta shouldn't even be a thing, but because it has so much money from raping the earth, it feels it should be more important. You're not. Just enjoy being a farmer or rancher, or leave.
@@bigchumbawumba2355
Exactly.
@@bigchumbawumba2355 I live in Alberta and I 100% agree with you. I'm not 100% convinced our federal leaders could find any of the maritimes on the map. Only reason they know how to find Alberta is because that's where they go to top up their empty bank accounts.
The map of US with Saskatchewan looks like a middle finger.
But that's also a propper American greeting ;)
That's hilarious
If Quebec had left Canada would have split into 3, since the Maritime provines would be split off (geographically)
Well, Canada probably wouldn't have given Quebec the Northern portions of the Province of Quebec. Just the regions bordering the St. Lawrence River where pretty much all of the people live. The rest is native speaking for the most part and sparsely populated.
Nope the north is French too and very for the independance.
Sometimes I wish the guys that make these videos would get right into all the stuff you guys are talking about here. I thought this video could have been more detailed.
www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/abitibi-temiscamingueinquebec-png.21064/ This is how I believe it will work out. The north does have some French, but they are very sparse.
I think it was pretty detailed. I don't think he was trying to talk about Quebecois Independence as much as he wanted to talk about the effect it would have and Saschachewanian (surprised I spelled that right. xD) independence.
I respect the Scots for asking a very direct question in their referendum. Compare the two approaches.
1995 Quebec referendum question:
“Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?”
2014 Scotland referendum question:
“Should Scotland be an independent country?”
The Québec's one is more strategic
To be fair Parizeau wanted to ask a simple question but had to make a concession to Bouchard to ask that convoluted question instead. Parizeau, as well as many Québec sovereigntists including myself, don't believe the negotiations with Canada would lead to anything and rather just declare independence after a winning referendum.
@@Imsemble Quebec independence is less likely year after year. With plenty of Quebec's population not being native, and the younger generation having much less desire for independence. The 90s was likely the closest Quebec will ever become to independence, and unless a massive crisis occurs it will stay that way.
@@enotsnavdier6867 Yes, it is quite common for centralists to use immigration to drown national groups who want their freedom.
Honestly, Saskatchewan getting annexed by the US would have been hilarious, just imagine a giant block of US jutting into Canada. absolutely beautiful.
It would have been like a middle finger.
Mitchellville Productions The US literally flipping off the world. Seems like an apt analogy.
Mitchellville Productions lol yeah like a dunce cap.
Hilarious, but also impossible. Let's assume they even manage to secede and the Canadian government lets them go. The USA would *never* accept an annexation. We value our relationship with Canada proper- who'd be rather pissed if we nabbed that chunk of territory. Similarly, we're kinda pals with the UK, who'd feel rather slighted by this turn of events as well.
Then there's all the other political issues involved, like potential statehood and how we handle voting and legal infrastructure. We still haven't given Puerto Rico recognition as a state, and they have three times Saskatchewan's population.
... It's just not worth all the headaches.
Now, if All Of Canada wants to join up... that we might consider worth it...
Well, it would look like America was flipping the bird to Canada and Great Britain.... both literally and not.
I really do wonder what might have happened to Nova Scotia and Newfoundland if Quebec became independent though, that'd make one ugly piece of a bordergore.
If a war against bordergore must be made, then a war against bordergore shall be made.
Though that would be kind of a downer to live there. "We don't care for your lands or your peoples whatsoever, but because it looks bad on a map, you are now under our control! Now get out!"
dont forget pei and new brunswick
if Quebec seceded, the eastern townships and northern quebec would stay with canada, because the eastern townships are anglophone, and the north is native land, also quebec secessionists wanted a sort of union with canada
Well especially considering Newfoundland didn't even join Canada until the 1940's. Maybe they never would've joined?? They might've even joined Quebec instead
+Luke man dude check yo dates
Today even the referendums failed Quebec already seems to be a country without the Military and a UN seat.
- They control their own immigration intake as a province. Other prov don't have that power.
- They have their own entertainment industry and their own famous celebrities which are unknown to other parts of Canada.
-Their local Parliament is called the "National Assembly".
-They are described as a "nation" within a United Canada.
- They have "diplomatic offices" abroad which serve as mini embassies but without the name and such offices are still linked with the Canadian embassy in those said countries.
Ontario and Alberta have similar amounts of power. The biggest provinces have an amount of Canada similar to U.S states, but can also control their immigration to an extent.
-They use the Canadian dollar as their currency
-They use Canadian debit and credit cards
-Their NHL team is called the Canadiens
-There are 1 million French-speaking Canadians in other provinces of Canada
-They use Canada Post for their mail
-They use Canadian passports
-They use the Canadian coast guard
-They are represented in the Parliament of Canada
-Theyre clearly a part of Canada and not a country.
@@geoplanetaire Morgan stop closing your eyes and just accept the truth, Quebecers have a real culture and anglo canadian don't (they just a cheaper version of US). If independance is good for iceland, venezuela or any other nations why not for Quebec? And BTW you should learn about the origins of the word CANADA or canadians, here let me help you: www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/origin-name-canada.html
AM FUNK not entirely true. Basically anywhere outside of Ontario (which Is basically “Little America”) is distinct and unique, especially the Altlantic provinces like Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Mew Brunswick.
The Québécois voted against independence twice, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. Eventually? Yes. Most likely. But right now? No way.
It is true, that the word Canada comes from the French Explorers, like Jacque Cartier on the Gaspe peninsula, and was the name for the area around the Lawrence, but now, because of the British, the name was broadened to mean Ontario and Québec (province of Canada) and eventually, the country of Canada.
Britain did the same thing with New Zealand, which was originally called New Zeeland, and was named after a part of Germany, and was discovered by Dutch explorers. They just took the name, as they did with Canada. It’s apart of Canadian history.
Canada no longer just means Ontario and Québec, it now means the entire country.
Québec, definitely being Unique within Canada, is still Canadian/ Canadien at its core. It’s functioning just fine as a semi-autonomous province.
@@RedFireRexOnly 2 million ppl lives in the atlantic provinces rex, canada is 37 mil ppl. And anything can happen at anytime on this planet, who are you to know what will and what will not happen? A minecraft gamer? thx for the good laugh
Why do Newfies want Quebec to leave Canada?
So the drive to Toronto is shorter.
+Ttrucker so, you knew it was a joke, but wanted to ruin it anyway..... ok
Because they can't remember how to ask them to turn on a lightbulb in french?
hahahaha
Honestly they want to see Quebec become Independent because it would create the framework for them to become independent too
The Great Walrus lol
I remember this as a teenager and not yet then understanding it all. Quebec is still like a different country though.
It's also very like the rest of Canada. I've been to Montreal more than 4 times.
@@chocomanger6873 '' Montréal ''
Yeah, not really a good argument. Montréal is the least Québécois city of Québec, about 1/3 of the population don't even speak French
@@bastobasto4866 Good counterpoint.
Quebec is Canada's version of America's Texas?
@@StarshipTrooper32 except for the bible thing.
Saskatchewan person here. I've never heard of this until now, that was really interesting.
I wonder what my life would of been like being born into another country or the US.
If that was to become a thing the map would look so ugly.
If you were born in an American controlled Saskatchewan you would be born in a country that is literally and metaphorically flipping the bird to the world.
I like your avatar. What is it of?
I'm from Saskatchewan to I'm conservative and like guns I wish it happened
you two are thudering morons
This referendum is probably the best thing to ever happen to Quebec. Ever since this, the government has been so afraid Quebec would leave that they've bent over backwards for them at every chance possible. Any time things don't go their way, simple, protest and Canada eventually gives in. It's almost like the opposite happened, instead of Quebec leaving, it took Canada hostage.
Quebecawa has always ruled Canada
Not really true. The federal government and pro-federal provincial party promised ALOT of reforms, guarantees, protections and autonomy to Québec if it stayed in Canada. After the referendum failed (after countless scandals of corruption in the Stay camp) almost none of the promises were enacted.
The nicest thing about living in Moose Jaw is that when your dog runs away you can still see him for the first two or three days
Moose jaw is a city
Hard to think how close Quebec got to leaving Canada... that would've been hell for the Eastern provinces.
Reminds me that Newfoundland also almost didn't join Canada - the initial referendum had favored independence, but a 2nd ballot was held where confederation got the majority (by only 5%)
The initial ballot was for three choices. Independence, Combine with Canada, Stay under direct UK rule.
How would it be hell? its just lines on a map, you'd still be able to drive to New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland provinces with ease. I doubt there would've a thick international border between Canada and Quebec, it would likely be like Europe..just drive though.
I was thinking in more of a social sense - people would treat it as a sign of political instability, with Canada not being able to unite itself.
muggarock Quebec would end up asking to rejoin Canada, anywhere from 6-12 months.
Dann you underestimate the power of French stubbornness to think that Quebec would decide to region Canada after only one year.
As a Canadian I thought everyone knew this lol
In France most people know about the Québec referendum but very few know about the Saskatchewan one.
sorry fellow canadian we are too busy trying to get fat
I had no idea I could wake up and have another country to learn the name. As a non-canadian, it looks like everytime the pools are done it gets better to the separation side so, if there's a new pool, it was good to meet you Canada.
I knew about Quebec but I had no idea that Saskatchewan tried to go independent.
If it happened wouldn't that be a Quexit?
Dalton Weathersby Or... a Quebexit.
Oui out :v
Dalton Weathersby That's funny.
Frogexit
Vive le Québec libre!
As a Canadian the way you say Saskatchewan and premier drives me nuts sorry
Samuel Gouwenberg I know, right? It's so weird hearing it like that.
I just commented on that lollll
Ends his complaint with sorry like a true Canadian
Imagine how a Saskachewanian feels
apology accepted fellow canadian
I remember staying up late that night as a kid watching the results come in. It was frightening to watch the needle hover around 50%.
if we split up my family would be in a weird situation, my dad is from Quebec and me and my mom are from Saskatchewan. Im glad they both stayed
It was brutal too being in Quebec at that time. Tension was so high that brawls happened all over areas with higher anglophone population. Also the secessionist movement is still a thing, since out of 5 political parties 1 is against a sovereign Quebec, 1 is indifferent and the rest are wholly dedicated to it.
I was there and there was no brawls
I love the fact that your character is a Warrior cat Leader, characters in videos really helps me learn easier. Thank you!
I laughed so hard every time you pronounced “Saskatchewan” 😂
Sas-Katchewan
EXACTLY 😂😂
I thought it was Sass-Catch-You-Wan
The “Sass” definitely puts it over the edge aha
Btfo if you don't Balkanize Canada in Victoria II
Balkanize the world!
🇫🇷 France: Happy to see it comes to fruition. The Americas deserves to have more than one French-speaking country.
🇭🇹 Haiti: I agree.
Great video. I actually took a class with Roy Romanow (said Saskatchewan Premier) just last semester. He gave some incredible lectures on this very tumultuous time in Canadian politics.
Suddenly relevant
Ok the video was nice and pretty factual, but at the end you totally missed the point and tried to depict this as a light issue, as if separation was only a whim of the population, being just a simple matter of checking yes or no. You clearly missed the reasons that caused so many people to go vote and to have such a close referendum on this issue. The notion of a distinctive people and all that are still present in the mind(to some varying extent) of every french native in north america.
Im from Saskatchewan. (Born after the 1995 referendums) Saskatchewan in the 2010s has enjoyed much economic success and isnt interested in leaving Canada now. But our friends in Alberta keep throwing the idea around. Form Western Canada with British Columbia and Saskatchewan, or join the USA. I dont think Alberta has enough support for it, but it is interesting to think about
How much does politics play a role in that independence movement? In Scotland and Catalonia the people that want independence are mostly left wing, whereas in for instance Flanders the people that want independence are mostly conservative. How is this in Quebec?
Maarten van Rossem Lezingen Quebec separatism has supporters on both sides of the political spectrum, but the two separatist parties in Quebec-the Parti Quebecois and its federal equivalent, the Bloc Quebecois-are fairly left-wing.
For my part i am closer to far right on a political spectrum on things pertaining to cultural,religious & social issues, on economic issues for me it's a "mixed bag". I have far left wing backgroud but for me, the opposition of most of them to patriotiotism and nationalism is a deal-breaking no-brainer. I'm not the only Québécois nationalist with those kinds of ideological proclivities that i've met even if i'm what you would classify as typical. Like the other commenter alluded to, they can be found on both ends of the spectrum.
I have to agree with Reilly Walker, the independence movement has support across the political spectrum. The is no real left / right divide. Obviously, the divide is french / english speaking people.
Both, still today. The more leftist and the more rightist agree on independance. They just hope a different country than the other one at the end of the day.
From a Québécois, very nice video, well explained and you seem to have good sources
Thanks for that bud. Was in milliary when the vote happened,was worried at the time. Canada doesn't know how close we came to hurting eachother over nothing cheers.
By the way, the Referendum of 95 was fixed. It's called "Scandale des commandites". You can check that out.
I really wish that Quebec had separated.
Cyrus The Great it is our destiny and still is
David Joussemet-Beaudoin Wish Quebec independence soon!👍🏻
@@cyrusthegreat1893 QUEBEC INDEPEDANCE ! FREE QUEBEC QUEBEC LIBRE !
@@dvvvvvvv Yeah and go take Justin Trudeau too. I mean the guy was a separatist in the past, he said he doesnt want to divide canada, he clearly is.
Quebec can separate and go back to france if it's so great. Take their gangster french with them. But I'm sure The aboriginees would not be pleased.
Could Louisiana be considered the closest American equivalent to Quebec?
In terms of French population? Yes. But not nearly to the same extent.
Ah, okay. Thanks.
More like Vermont, not Louisiana.
Northern Maine is the closest equivalent.
Doesn't Vermont have French as one their official languages along with English? If I remember correctly, it's only used in business or exchanges.
I'm from Saskatchewan & our consideration of joining the USA was out of pure desperation. The province's economy was totally in the toilet in the mid 90s & we were nearly bankrupt. Many Canadians thought that it would be difficult just to survive in our country in a few short years. In contract the USA appeared as this golden wonderful place.
Then George Bush got elected an the 9/11 attacks happened.
This completely changed our perspective of the USA. We realized that Canada as a country (in spite of it being dreadfully cold in winter) was actually a pretty good place to live. You'd be hard pressed to find a Saskatchewanian that still wants to join the USA now.
Thanks a lot for predicting Wexit.
Quebec should have left us!!!
Yes! Please, say it before the vote next time.
3:56 that map looks cursed to me
Canada is originaly french, the name Canada was given by the french explorer, the canadians was originaly the french settlers, that's why the Hockey team of Montreal it's called 'Montreal Canadien' the word "Canadien" refer to the early meaning of this word, even the national anthem was originaly written in french, by and for french canadian, befor everything was overtaken by english canadians, even the maple leaf on the flag is a direct symbole of french canada, the early french settler learn from the natives indians how get maple syrop from the tree, to this day quebec is the first producer of maple syrop in the world, Canada in general has no culture or history, but the only culture and history you will find about canada is ultimately linked to the french canadians
Actually Canada was originally Native Canadian. The first white settlers were in fact Vikings and settled in Newfoundland and Labrador. It wasn't until much later that the French showed up and claimed it for their own. The English weren't far behind.
And, if pop culture has been telling the truth, the name "Canada" was the Huron / Iroquois word "kanata" meaning village or settlement. Jacques Cartier was told by two youths how to get to "kanata" which to them was their village of Stadacona which is today Quebec City. The Europeans misunderstood this and took it to refer to the entire land thus naming it "Canada".
And the Habs were not called Les Canadiens because of the early word. The original name of the team was , "Club athletique Canadien" because they spoke French. And later "Club de hockey Canadien" because they still spoke French. That's why there's an "H" in their symbol for "hockey".
J'admet que la vrai culture Canadien c'est Quebecois mais ca veut pas dire que les Anglais en dehors du Quebec n'ont aucune valeur.
cardett75 ur a fucking dipshit
hellotherememes well that wasn't helpful!
Hank Pooks, this is utter bullshit lol. Oh and who financed the colonisation and foundation of Alberta? Once the oil prices drop Alberta will be the poorest province of Canada as it is the one with the lowest econimical diversity.
Hank Pooks I supsect you are making up your facts as they arn't even close to representing the reality. Alberta would't even exist without the to largest province, nor would it have gotten its budget to develop its petrol exploitation. Worst than that, Alberta as by far the less diverse economy in Canada and it is based on petrol wich will sooner or later fall or be depleated, wich mean no provinces will be as poor as Alberta and no provinces will need Québec and Ontario as much. The other thing is that the better the economie goes in Alberta the worst it goes in Québec and the better in Québec, the worst in Alberta, this is because Alberta as a ressources based economy and Québec a production and services economy, wich is btw much more stable in general and make fr better life conditions at the same revenue.
You need to go take some economic classes or something, at this point it could only help. History and politics classes could also be a good idea.
One of the few unbiased video on this topic!
That third Saskatchewan option is pretty appealing to me.
great video
ayy 4:20
OneWaySkillz I was trying to find that comment, and I did yess.
puff, puff, pass!
I'm from Saskatchewan, and it's pretty hilarious hearing about this, because it was a few years before I was born. Now, among young people here, I've noticed that
A) Most like Québec
B) Most have no opinion on eastern Canada (although I guess most agree that Manitoba is kind of a bunch of nothing)
C) Most speak at least some French.
Which is weird, because among the older people here, they are sick of eastern Canada's bullshit, don't like the French, and refuse to learn French.
Actually, though, I don't want the French to leave...Then I wouldn't be able to light up those lazy bastards
Edit: Also, it's pronounced "Sas-k*a*t-choo-*wan* where "wan" is somewhere between "won" and "one" and the "tche" is really short.
I live in Ontario and I spend quite a bit of time in La Belle Povince. It does feel like a different country in Quebec. Language, drinking age, who sells alcohol, how farming happens, terrain, TAXES, insurance, etc. is all different there. I love Kbek (phonetical spelling) I like how cheap rent is in Montreal, I love the ski hills, French girls! Oh la la! Alcohol in the corner store, Sirop D'Erable! Fromage! Also 3 of my grandparents are from Saskatchewan! They can't leave! We are family!
Awesome brother! Peace from KBec!!!
If the rent is cheap at your eyes in Montreal, you can't wait to see the little towns! We think Montreal prices to be so much higher than ours!
As a Canadian I knew about the Quebec referendums however I only had passing knowledge about the Saskatchewan succession. I would be interested to see a video about why they thought joining the US would be a good idea (more state autonomy?) and what the other two possible participants in this western Canada 2.0 thought of succession. Great vid and I hope to see more of this type of thing!
Republic of Western Canada.
WE NEED YOU!!! for the WC Army!
3:55 if Saskatchewan went to the states it America would look like a giant middle finger.
hahahahahah
Hey you could also talk about a separate Newfoundland, like how the British had it as a separate colony to Canada for a long time.
FrosteeYT yes please I'm a Newfoundlander and I would find this interesting
If Sasketchwan joined the U.S, I feel like it would be the safest state
lol im from saskatchewan and the thought of sask as an independent country is weird
Dumb American here, when you say a "Premier" is that the Canadian equivalent to a governor in the US (as in, the head executive of the state/provincial government)?
Yes. I live in Edmonton and every few years we vote in our own Premier. They pretty much are governors
Yes, he said so in the video.
dude whoooo not here in saskatchewannnnnnnnn
In Canada, Federally, we elect a bunch of representatives that go to Parliament called Members of Parliament, (MPs). The leader of the most voted party becomes the Prime Minister, and he appoints other MPs to be Ministers (Finance, national Defense etc).
In the provinces, we elect a bunch of representatives that go to Legislature (basically parliament) called Members of the Legislative Assembly (MLAs). the leader of the most voted party becomes the Premier, and they appoint other MLAs to become Ministers (Finance, education, etc)
Like the premiers in the Soviet Union but not Commies lel
Oct 2019. The flames have sprouted again. The West is not being seriously listened to and their frustration may have an unthinkable result.
Being from Saskatchewan I can partially understand the frustration of our Premier. We have the resources, the East has the people. A Canada where the West would seperate would result in a catastrophic collapse of the East. Economics.
Its funny the last one was actually a subject on a Reddit CMV post suggesting the province would be better off with the US rather than Canada
The “Premier” is equivalent to the “Prime Minister”, but of a province not the “Governor”.
Honestly Canada would be better off without Quebec.
IKR. Wouldn't be denied jobs because you can't speak French. Wouldn't have to send all those transfer/equalization payments to Quebec.
Not culturally. Quebec is the reason why Canada has any distinction from the US.
@@shauncameron8390 Thank you (from Québec)!
Let us leave already! I beg you! JE VEUX QUE LE QUÉBEC SOIT LIBRE
@@shauncameron8390 Exactly
Canada could be so weird if Saskatawan was American.
i want that more countries [like Québec] declare inpendence
NOOOO!!!!!!! Too many countries is a bad thing!
me too
Free Quebec is good.
Quebec isn't a country though. I like it being part of Canada. However, Scotland should become independent, as England kind of is lame.
Choco Manger England and Canada is the same bloody thing, so is Québec and Scotland! I am a proud scottish-descended Québecois and I want both nations to choose its own fate!
Well, here we go again.
This is why voting is so important
4:00 I like this canada
Re-visiting after 2019 election. Alberta and Saskatchewan should split🤷🏻♂️
Up until 2004, kicking off the 12-year reign of PM Stephen Harper, the idea of an independent Southwestern Canada/Cascadia would have been really dank but it's unnecessary now as our concerns have all been addressed.
It's no secret that everything outside of Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa basically has colonial puppet status and you didn't have a prayer of becoming Prime Minister before 2004 unless you were a mega-rich trust fund baby turned lawyer from one of those big cities. There was little to no representation of any national interests except the interests of Toronto and Montreal, because parliament was stacked with MPs from those two cities. The Prairies in particular were overruled in every grievance they brought to Ottawa. Secession was an understandable and rational response to having a drowned-out voice in the federal government.
Stephen Harper was the first prime minister that really brought the interests of the Prairies to Ottawa, and we had a federally-appointed open mind to our concerns for the first time since the Dominion began.
His name is a bad word because he was a neo-conservative and big city Canadian culture rails against neo-conservatism, but he is a very important part of our history now.
Harper brought a voice to the prairie but i predict BC will never have a voice brought to it within Canada. Harper didnt give us much either our voices count the least in federal elections etc. I think the only way to bring ourselves a voice is to threaten separation and if they still dont listen we might as well separate
B.C. has an incredible need for a stronger voice and it's not getting it. Cascadia is really the only answer.
Honestly i consider Cascadia as its commonly thought of with Washington and Oregon to be unrealistic mostly due to the hard US stance on a state leaving the US.
BC is older than Canada and i think we could go alone just as something like "The Republic of British Columbia" with a statement in the constitution allowing the Yukon to join if it voted to separate from Canada and do so. We have a strong enough economy 4 million population is enough more than many countries have and if somehow washington and oregon get independence from the US union would always be possible if wanted
BC has both a slightly higher population and slightly higher GDP than New Zealand which is a fully independent nation and people are doing pretty well there too
BC doesnt need Canada and BC doesnt need cascadia BC needs to finally stand alone and become the prosperous free country it could be. Cascadia in my opinion would turn out like Canada is now our voice would just become secondary to those of oregon and washington.
P77777777 As a Québécois nationalist i welcome your desire for self-determination. I hope you'll succeed in your goals,as much as i wish for my owns.
British Columbia seems to have lots of good people. Never been there but know quite a few people who did, most spoked well about folks and landscapes from there.
I like this stuff that almost happened video style!
the 1983 nuke scare sounds like a cool video topic for this format
2:23 : in fact, it only takes 27 000 people to swing the vote, not 54 000... You just need half the difference to vote for you in order to not have a vote difference anymore; throw in a few hundreds or thousands to have a difference in your favor, but you do not need to convince ALL the vote difference to vote for you, only a bit more than half of them.
Good thing that today's Quebec youth are not dumb as those who voted to go out of Canada. I feel more Canadian than Quebecois and if Quebec would go independent i would probably leave the province for Ontario or Prince Edward island .
Tu dis ça avec aucune connaissance de cause t'as douze ans et tu connais rien en politique.
T'es assomptions sont fausses. Je suis à l'université et je peut te dire que la majorité des personnes pensent comme moi plus mon entourage. Le Pq a eu ces plus bas resultas enregistré ces 2 dernières élections. Le partie est quasiment mort et n'a aucune vraie plateforme electorale (a l'exeption de leurs "pays") et ils ce base sur l'opignion populaire du moment pour avoir le vote des imbeciles sans aucun plan pour la création d'emplois,la renovation de notre réseaux routier,la structuration du system d'education(18 % de decrochage au secondaire),ect... Tout ce que nous apporterais une separation serait d'immense taxes pour les futures generations et la notre pour reconstruire le Quebec(la creation d'une nouvelle armée,l'achat de l'équipement de l'armée,la restructuration de notre systeme de la justice,la mise en place de nouvelle postes de frontieres,La restructuration de la Trésorerie, ect.. ( on parle de 70 a 120+ milliards de dollars) Alors n'e dis pas n'importe quoi Bob, Les sentiments mal placer des nationalists ne valent pas la destruction de notre belle province :).
antoqc I wouldn't say it's fair to call them dumb just because they have a different opinion to you. And if you don't feel Québécois, you can always leave
+George Havenhand I didn't said i hate Quebec. I just said it would be a dumb move... Like shooting myself in the foot for no valid reason's. And no i won't leave it, i would prefer convert the most people to my opinion by spreading facts and reality... And only if for example they would be more than 70% of them voting for leaving Canada(which will never happen since the nationalist party have been destroyed in the 2 last elections) then i would leave.
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Even if the 1995 Référendum would've passed, I doubt Québec would've seen it's independence come to reality. Just take a look at Brexit. Canada would've done everything to halt the process and since this was mostly a pacific revolution, the movement would've died off from bureaucratic procedures and injunctions.
this is fracking scary and a good reminder why people shouldn't be allowed to vote as they have no understanding of greater ramifications of their actions. it's the same thing as a brain surgeon asks for an opinion and vote on an operation he's conducting on their family member from the patient's family as electorate.
Danget, America wasn’t able to annex itself a hat.
lol
We call it Alaska lol
A little precision :
Québec didn't have its independance due to the English-speaking community of the island of Montreal, by their vote to stay French Canadian weren't able to win independance, sad story.
Not only that, but also canadian sabotage actions and illegal funds
Chase Jordan It's a mutual feeling then
If Saskatchewan joined the US, then it would take Texas's place as second largest state. Texas would get salty and would then succeed from the US. Not an exaggeration btw, I'm from Texas. I know my people.
JmmiP 20 wrong texas become third largest state and saskatchewan is second and alaska is first.
Yeah ik. That's what I said.
would Texas then join Mexico ;) lol
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I voted « NO » and I regret it so much. Canadian have a country of their own (and it's ok) where we are just another minority. That was not the initial deal. The money is at Ottawa as the needs are in Quebec. At 69 years old, today I would vote YES. Nothing against Canadians. Plus the fact that we are paying twice for nothing. 2 environment minister, two health minister, 2 justice minister and on and on. May I add that I became a separatist thank to Trudeau, father and son and their multi everything Canada
This caught my eye because I'm a supporter for western succession.
Funnily enough unlike in the USA or other democracies the supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that if a referendum is won, then the federal and other provinces have to recognize it and negotiate with the seccesionists. However it is more likely that Quebec would have gotten alot more autonomy in Canada instead of full independence. And still they pretty much got everything that they wanted so another secession is unlikely.
Looking at what is happening in the UK, even if the sovereigntists won, Canada may have held another "confirmatory" referendum "just to be sure".
Usually the case.
Ha the time is "420"
One thing I found funny is that my teacher (who is originally from France but now teaches English in Norway) actually applied to emigrate to Canada, and all provinces accepted his immigration, except for Quebec. They wouldn’t even let a Frenchman who speaks fluent French to live in Quebec...
seawingo ça doit être pour ça que le Québec possède plus de 90% de l’immigration Française et est leurs 1er choix pour immigrés où pour des voyages. Mais j’adore les cons de démagogues ignorants, ils me font rire par leurs profondes stupidités......et toi t’es vraiment drôle.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😅😅😁😘
In fact, most of immigrants are from France and we make a lot of people coming in Quebec per quebecers compare to other states in the world. Remember that we are only 8 millions, we can't take a million immigrants per year too, but we gladly meet them in our society, at least if they are willing to speak french or learn it. In fact, most of us oppose no resistance into immigration, it is a well open minded nation.
And this has become relevant again
Isn't Quebec still looking at possible independence?
I'm glad we stayed united, a separate Canada is a weak Canada.
Cat Knight Tu dis ça comme si le Canada était fort.
Translated: The East would be weak and poor if it couldnt leech off BC and the prairies
Cat Knight Canada is a weak Canada though
Québec would be more like Switzerland or Austria, in terms of army, just a SDF. And Canada would probably not change anything but who knows. Andddd we should take back the name Canada, call yourself Ottawa instead
Face it dude. Canada is very divided. Even with a national identity all the provinces politically have a lot of animosity towards each other.
I think that's why we fight in hockey. To our faces we quote cheesy Canadian stereotypes but on the ice is how we really feel about each other.
Obviously we live in the wrong timeline. Imagine a timeline that's exactly the same as ours, but Saskatchewan is a US State. We need the fertile growing lands of Saskatchewan to bolster American economic dominance! #Saskatchewan51
Je retrouve dans la lutte de certains québécois pour l'indépendance, beaucoup de similarités dans ma lutte pour que la France quitte l'UE:
les fédéralistes qui te traitent de xénophobe isolationiste.
les prophètes de malheur qui te disent que ce serait catastrophique d'un point de vue économique.
les médias qui en rajoutent une tartine pour te faire flipper.
Le sentiment que l'indépendance s'éloigne de plus en plus...
québécois et français partageons un destin étrangement similaire.
Il y a cependant une différence marquée entre les deux mouvements et je tiens à la faire n'étant pas fan de Le Pen... Ce discours pour quitter l'UE est beaucoup d'ordre migratoire ce qui a effectivement des traits xénophobes alors que l'indépendance du Québec bien qu'il y ait des racistes indépendantistes reposent davantage sur la vitalité du français au Québec peu importe l'origine de l'immigration et sur la prospérité durable.
help...
Do you want me to translate ?
Jacques dis moi, si l'alsace/ Lorainne voulait quitter la france et rejoindre l'allemagne ou mieux, simplement faire un pay que dirais tu ?
Yes please
We may finally get Saskatchewan
Hahaha I loved the picture he used to represent the year 1995!
Interesting to see what would've happened to:
1: *Nova Scotia*, *New Brunswick* and *Newfoundland & Labrador*. Would they've stayed as Canadian exclaves? or be annexed into Quebec? Who knows?
2: That "South West Canada" nation. if it happened, would it've survived? and how would it establish relations with the rest of the world? Would what's left of Canada not recognise it as a nation? Who knows?
Hawai, Alaska and Porto Rico are fully part of the United States but not connected to it. Here is your answer. No need for land connection.
T-Mag 3004 nova scotia i don't know newbrunswick definately stay or being independant too ( they don't like usa ) and newfoundland ? They hate everyone lol.
I was 4 when this happened and remember the aftermath well, all the efforts made to appease Quebecois has turned Canada into this tribalistic cultural battleground. Now each culture is battling for supremacy instead of uniting under a national identity like we did with WW1.
And let all the English speakers agree that French and English are equal languages which means everyone should be bilingual (as it is in Québec).
Not sure what you're talking about in relation to WW1. I assure you that people in Québec did not appreciate conscription! But I do think that we should just calm down and live in peace.
@@augth «as it is in Québec» well we only have french as official language lol
Why the hell someone would like to secede from Canada? This was a good country for huge part of the century lol.
Language, and culture are a huge deal, and are big source of tension. We call that in French the two "Grande Solitude", it's like a couple that doesn't know how to communicate. You know like a British couple! (I could not resist that joke.)
And you know why they deny them, right? Unless you are one of those Albertan dumbfucks.
dude Guess who was giving billions to the West until the 90s? Quebec economy per capita went from second to seventh in the country since 1995. Staying in Canada as been terrible for Quebec's economy.
Sure but when the western provinces were developping (Aka. your province) Quebec as well as Ontario gave much more, this is just returning the monney you borrowed friend. Also in Quebec we are far more advanced in the green energy industries, we just don't want to be related to your nasty envirronmental disaster, wich is oil sand. We percieve it as a world embarassment. (excuse my french)
Canada was a mess in the early '90s, with high debt, over regulation, and heavy subsidization of industries like manufacturing, and agriculture.
Thank you for making a video this neutral. Facts and not hype.
Thanks
To be fair, the Quebecois lost a lot of their size through the 1700s-1800s and used to stretch into more of canada
If Quebec left Canada, they would have went belly up without all the free handouts from the federal government to that province.
Anyone from SK here?
Separatism is the best way to achieve freedom. I support all the separatist movements in the world.
Unification is better for the economy.
We have seen how good it worked in the Middle East.
daily dose of nightmare fuel Dad we don’t care about the economy. Being an independent nation is more important.
As a non Canadian who loves Canada it would be difficult to choose which one I love more, Canada without Quebec or Quebec without Canada.
I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia and have lived in Edmonton as well as Toronto. I feel like British Columbians have more in common with our west coast American counterparts rather than the rest of Canada. I'd personally like to see us join Washington, Oregon, and California in a new country. A west coast nation could easily be one of the worlds most prosperous countries in the world and many others in BC support this as well. We actually have a political party for that movement and I proudly voted for them in 2017 BC provincial elections.
PAYS D'GALLES INDÉPENDAAAAAAAAAAANT!!!!
Rien à voir. La relation Canada-Québec est comparable à la relation France-Allemagne.
Du calme lol