Thank you Bob, and Ellin You're a great presenter. I'm glad Woody @WW2TV got the pair if you on here to discus this subject. Disturbing stuff, but essential to know
Thank you Ellin and Bob for this moving and sobering presentation. I wish the world could break this cycle of hate that pits different people against each other. The hope has always been, certainly we have the knowledge to stop this from happening again. But here we are again. That is why we need people like you to tell the stories Ellin and Bob, so we remember what humans can do to each other and inspire people to speak up. Bob, thank you so much for sharing your story and your family story. Canada has extraordinary people. Grateful Woody as always and for the story about your mother.
The fact that we as a society have not learned the lessons of the Holocaust saddens and, frankly, disgusts me. We MUST do better to prevent the "othering" of Jews and any other minority group. Keep up the important work you are doing, Ellin, Bob, and Paul. Sobering and informative presentation.
@@barbararice6650 It isn't ok, it's abhorrent. But no, I don't think terrorists "other" their victims. They are not powerful enough to do so. Individual or small group hatred is vastly different from systematic, large scale, top down demonization like the Nazi's perpetrated.
@@barbararice6650 B Political minority, perhaps, but racially, religiously, culturally? No. And they didn't go after the majority after seizing power, did they? They went after minority groups.
A presentation such as this one evokes such strong emotions and looking inward at one's own viewpoint. I will not try to bore you with my own religious views, but would like to point out that anti-Semitism has been around since the days of the Egyptian Pharos mentioned in the book of Exodus. The one good thing that came from this horrific crime was that it motivated many Jews to migrate to Palestine to create the modern nation of Israel. It still astounds me that the German people who lived in proximity of these camps, and obviously smelled them, could have the temerity to tell the liberators that they had no idea what was going on. (No offense to the current generation) As we learned, the Allied leaders knew long before they were "discovered" by the advancing armies. Thanks for a moving and thought provoking story Bob, Ellin and Woody. Thanks for sharing your Mum's anecdote towards the end. I never had heard that before.
What an incredibly powerful and important presentation! I am so grateful that Bob shared his father's story and Ellen for keeping the story of the Holocaust alive.
This was a very moving episode, thank you so much. As a Canadian teacher I am now going to make it a point to find these museums when I travel, I was unaware of them in our country.
Now, having watched the entire presentation can I firstly say a big thank you to Bob, Ellin, and Paul for the emotional content, personal accounts, and heart-wrenching footage. Sadly, to illustrate the enormity of these atrocities, content has to be explicit and disturbing to watch. For one reason, if you are not disturbed, if you refuse to listen to the evidence then you carry no emotion, you become as guilty as the evil perpetrators. As I commented on during the 'live' feed, we must educate, educate, educate the generations growing up today about A) the horrors of war and B) the evil of any type of genocide.
@Barbara Rice Agreed in a court of law that you can not be found guilty in the abstract. History has shown us that by ignoring evil, we are condemned to face it again. The word guilt I used relates to the head in the sand community, the holocaust denying community and the uneducated community. By association, they can be deemed guilty of allowing evil to regenerate. Instead of combing hair or playing pinball, people could actively try to understand what horrors were committed, how innocent people were murdered, and how the perverted idealism still exists today. So, who are the real Monsters?
@Barbara Rice no I wouldn't. The whole point of my comment was to highlight the need for education, to understand that if left unchecked, the evil does not disperse it manifests itself to rise again. The only person advocating the killing of millions is you!! Your perspective on my comments is worrying.
@Barbara Rice 'I like licking murdered bones', what a sick comment!! Apologies for not conforming to your self palatable world. The mere fact that you state that people couldn't care less because it is distasteful and morbid leads me to conclude that you care not for the millions that were murdered, that you have no comprehension of the effect these events had on generations of innocent people!!
How RUclips works with regards Holocaust content seems to vary from channel to channel and in what context it is talked about. I have never had any of my videos age-restricted, although a few shows - like this one, are partially demonetized.
in response there are reports of servicemen of the western allies turning up in concentration camps/ So the threat was real and a lot of Jewish servicemen were encouraged to identify as Christian or non religious in order to avoid such possibilities or even the increased threat of rough treatment if captured by the Wehrmacht
It's important to show artifacts because victims got dehumanized. The perpetuates didn't care about who they really were. So if the neighbor is a dad, teacher, athlete It's complicated to hate. But if neighbor wears yellow star, it's considered normal to resettle him and his family. And after that out of sight our of mind. So we need to keep being aware, that every person had very personal history and it was gone without a thought.
I can not and will never understand how can any human being do this to other people and after the War go on living their life without any worries, It beyond my understanding to believe a person that causes this and helps in this camps going on their life after the War without any issues or regrets... I am sorry but there is no Judgment for a person that has done this and there is no pain inflicted or done to them later that will ever makes justice for what they have done ... Some might not see it this way but I hope they burn in Hell for eternity and even that I feel it's not enough !... I am sorry if this offends any feelings but for sure its what my feelings about what I am watching tells me in my heart !
Well I don't believe in an afterlife/heaven/hell etc, but unfortunately the reality is that less than 10% of the Nazis who perpetrated the Holocaust who brought to justice on this earth
Thank you Paul, Ellin and Bob for a show that provoked somber reflection.
Thank you Bob, and Ellin You're a great presenter. I'm glad Woody @WW2TV got the pair if you on here to discus this subject. Disturbing stuff, but essential to know
I'm sorry I missed this live. This was a great show. Thank you for covering this Woody. Ellin is an excellent presenter.
Thank you Ellin and Bob for this moving and sobering presentation. I wish the world could break this cycle of hate that pits different people against each other. The hope has always been, certainly we have the knowledge to stop this from happening again. But here we are again. That is why we need people like you to tell the stories Ellin and Bob, so we remember what humans can do to each other and inspire people to speak up. Bob, thank you so much for sharing your story and your family story. Canada has extraordinary people. Grateful Woody as always and for the story about your mother.
Every so often on WW2TV a very special moment is shared. This was one of them. Thank you Ellin and Bob. It was fascinating and moving. Thank you
The fact that we as a society have not learned the lessons of the Holocaust saddens and, frankly, disgusts me. We MUST do better to prevent the "othering" of Jews and any other minority group. Keep up the important work you are doing, Ellin, Bob, and Paul. Sobering and informative presentation.
Great point Marybeth. "Love one another" is the simplest way to begin to overcome our hatreds.
@@barbararice6650 Please explain to me how a majority can be "othered"?
@@davidlavigne207 Yep. And even if you can't manage love, you should be able to manage to just let people be.
@@barbararice6650 It isn't ok, it's abhorrent. But no, I don't think terrorists "other" their victims. They are not powerful enough to do so. Individual or small group hatred is vastly different from systematic, large scale, top down demonization like the Nazi's perpetrated.
@@barbararice6650 B
Political minority, perhaps, but racially, religiously, culturally? No. And they didn't go after the majority after seizing power, did they? They went after minority groups.
A presentation such as this one evokes such strong emotions and looking inward at one's own viewpoint. I will not try to bore you with my own religious views, but would like to point out that anti-Semitism has been around since the days of the Egyptian Pharos mentioned in the book of Exodus. The one good thing that came from this horrific crime was that it motivated many Jews to migrate to Palestine to create the modern nation of Israel. It still astounds me that the German people who lived in proximity of these camps, and obviously smelled them, could have the temerity to tell the liberators that they had no idea what was going on. (No offense to the current generation) As we learned, the Allied leaders knew long before they were "discovered" by the advancing armies. Thanks for a moving and thought provoking story Bob, Ellin and Woody. Thanks for sharing your Mum's anecdote towards the end. I never had heard that before.
What an incredibly powerful and important presentation! I am so grateful that Bob shared his father's story and Ellen for keeping the story of the Holocaust alive.
Yep, it was a powerful show
My cousin was severely wounded during Moe Hurwitz DCM action while surviving with the CGG. So proud of him.
Thank you for sharing this story.
This was a very moving episode, thank you so much. As a Canadian teacher I am now going to make it a point to find these museums when I travel, I was unaware of them in our country.
Now, having watched the entire presentation can I firstly say a big thank you to Bob, Ellin, and Paul for the emotional content, personal accounts, and heart-wrenching footage.
Sadly, to illustrate the enormity of these atrocities, content has to be explicit and disturbing to watch. For one reason, if you are not disturbed, if you refuse to listen to the evidence then you carry no emotion, you become as guilty as the evil perpetrators. As I commented on during the 'live' feed, we must educate, educate, educate the generations growing up today about A) the horrors of war and B) the evil of any type of genocide.
Thanks Gary
@Barbara Rice Agreed in a court of law that you can not be found guilty in the abstract. History has shown us that by ignoring evil, we are condemned to face it again.
The word guilt I used relates to the head in the sand community, the holocaust denying community and the uneducated community. By association, they can be deemed guilty of allowing evil to regenerate.
Instead of combing hair or playing pinball, people could actively try to understand what horrors were committed, how innocent people were murdered, and how the perverted idealism still exists today.
So, who are the real Monsters?
@Barbara Rice no I wouldn't. The whole point of my comment was to highlight the need for education, to understand that if left unchecked, the evil does not disperse it manifests itself to rise again.
The only person advocating the killing of millions is you!!
Your perspective on my comments is worrying.
@Barbara Rice 'I like licking murdered bones', what a sick comment!!
Apologies for not conforming to your self palatable world. The mere fact that you state that people couldn't care less because it is distasteful and morbid leads me to conclude that you care not for the millions that were murdered, that you have no comprehension of the effect these events had on generations of innocent people!!
@Barbara Rice yeah course you are..I knew your true colours would come out.
Totally Amazing.
Thank you for sharing this story with us. Ellin, did you find out anything about the second name on the star? I saw Jean Dub…. there too.
After I watched this post-live, RUclips asked me to rate this video, a good thing I guess though I'm surprised it got over some YT analysis threshold
How RUclips works with regards Holocaust content seems to vary from channel to channel and in what context it is talked about. I have never had any of my videos age-restricted, although a few shows - like this one, are partially demonetized.
in response there are reports of servicemen of the western allies turning up in concentration camps/ So the threat was real and a lot of Jewish servicemen were encouraged to identify as Christian or non religious in order to avoid such possibilities or even the increased threat of rough treatment if captured by the Wehrmacht
Yes there was a threat to Jewish POWs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berga_concentration_camp
It's important to show artifacts because victims got dehumanized. The perpetuates didn't care about who they really were. So if the neighbor is a dad, teacher, athlete It's complicated to hate. But if neighbor wears yellow star, it's considered normal to resettle him and his family. And after that out of sight our of mind. So we need to keep being aware, that every person had very personal history and it was gone without a thought.
I believe the victim's also include the liberators.
I can not and will never understand how can any human being do this to other people and after the War go on living their life without any worries, It beyond my understanding to believe a person that causes this and helps in this camps going on their life after the War without any issues or regrets... I am sorry but there is no Judgment for a person that has done this and there is no pain inflicted or done to them later that will ever makes justice for what they have done ... Some might not see it this way but I hope they burn in Hell for eternity and even that I feel it's not enough !... I am sorry if this offends any feelings but for sure its what my feelings about what I am watching tells me in my heart !
Well I don't believe in an afterlife/heaven/hell etc, but unfortunately the reality is that less than 10% of the Nazis who perpetrated the Holocaust who brought to justice on this earth