You both assumed that the person buying the raw card intended to have it graded. Not me… If I buy it raw, it’s staying raw! Thanks for the analysis, Theo!
I got you, the video was on, does grading add value. But of course, you can buy raw and save the grading fees and collect that way 100% Thanks for all the comments and support my friend
Thanks for the reply to my comment. Using the Greg Morris process for many is a good idea. He seems to get more online for cards than graded cards, at times, so that could a good procedure for many. I personally like to use my own expertise to buy raw and grade because I enjoy the challenge of trying to get the most out of raw cards. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. 😀
This was good, guys. Graig did great guessing the values..except on the ‘59 Sandys 😆 For me this was not so much eye opening but more confirmation that it’s better for me to buy already graded. Lots of great looking, low grade cards out there that take away the guess work as to whether there are unseen/undisclosed flaws and if it’s been altered. Plus I don’t want to deal with sending stuff in 😜 Thanks for putting in the work on this one, Theo
Yes of course and I’m glad you liked it! Also, a lot of times SGC or another grader you could save money buying graded. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Interesting exercise Theo. I think your guest is right in that people like to gamble and see if they can't get lucky. I think this is especially true with Greg Morris Cards. I have purchased 1000s of cards from Greg Morris (GM). Side topic - I have noticed that GM offers a grade that is consistently 1 to 2 grades higher than what PSA grades at. I tracked this in a spreadsheet for some time. More recently, about 10% of the cards I have purchased from GM has come back trimmed, altered, etc. from PSA. One needs to be careful when purchasing raw cards no matter who the seller is even if they are one of the more reputable sellers on eBay.
Drew I can’t believe you have that data, I really think you should share some on a video, it’s really interesting! Thanks for texting me and keeping me posted on some of it. Crazy how those marked cards didn’t get recognized!
@@ClementeCollector I don't know what their process is. Are they hand inspected? Are they scanned and a software auto grades them? Given the volume they have, it would be hard to imagine them doing each card by hand. In either case, the system is flawed.
How can you do an exercise like this, when you don’t know whether or not the card has a crease? They often don’t show up in scans. As an example, Graig saying the PeeWee 4 is definitely nicer than the 3… well, if the 4 has a wrinkle or crease, then the 3 is better. The problem is that eBay sellers have gotten so lazy that they no longer disclose creases. Their descriptions are either generic, non-existent, or simply say “see pics”. I would definitely pay more for the 3 (or a raw card) than a PSA 4 with an undisclosed crease. And good point by Theo on cracking them out… if the PSA slab bugs you (like it does me), just crack it out! Sometimes the best example for the price is in a PSA slab. But that shouldn’t exempt you from buying it. Freeing it from its ugly tomb takes about 25 seconds.
Haha, thanks Mark. I personally hope if PSA or GM are saying 3-4 grade, it doesn’t have a crease, that should be under a 3, but yes it’s possible. I agree- I hate the seller that says- see picture, it’s an EX but I’m not a grader! lol! Thanks for watching and sharing!
@@ClementeCollector You are so great at responding, Theo... thank you! It is easy to find PSA 4s with creases. I don't think I can post a link here, but if you look at the '54 Bowman Mays PSA 4 (Lot #59232) in the current Heritage Auction, you'll easily see a significant crease to the right of his knee. PSA 3s and 4s have these issues more than you'd believe. PSA's inconsistency is what keeps me from embracing them. And their wait times, high fees, inability to detect alteration and horrible communication all contribute as well. I was glad to see your indisputable proof that TPG Grading does not always bring higher prices. Thanks!
Hi Theo, Graig. Great to hear from you gentlemen on this topic. I argue that it really is about getting l lucky in a lot of ways. I have many stories of GM getting it wrong at SGC (trimmed, 2s instead of 4/5s and the like). Quite often the get it right (most of the time) but when they get it wrong it can be hard to overlook or accept and certainly memorable. I believe that you guys hit it on the head by saying there are many ways in which the way a "premium" might get involved for an ungraded card. Premiums are simply preferences that people have (learned, feel or whatever) that may not help in the grading process but make the cost of the card go up. I believe that the reason people would pay more for an ungraded card (a riskier buy) is because something about the card makes them overlook the risk or cost. They don't see many with the particular feature (centering, registration, corners etc.) so they are willing to pay more when they find the "card". I believe that finance-based studies of vintage card sale/valuations studies are always so interesting but typically create more questions than they answer. In the end card pricing is really a matter of opinion (influenced, qualified or other) and this makes it fun and exciting but also risky and frustrating. Great video and chat and as always thanks for your insight and opinions.
Very great thoughts on this topic and I pretty much agree with you on them all. I haven’t seen many run any numbers on GMC and it was kind of nice to do it. Appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching!
The problem now with sending in to psa is u might think u have a five and there is more of a chance the card comes back a 3 or 4 rather than a 6. Great show guys!!
I, like many loyal customers of GM, his ability to never take day off on his auctions and offer so many amazing cards is why he has success. I have learned that his following is a liability to me. I will buy a 1971 Topps NM-MT card for $30 and I will find that same card graded a 7 at $32 or an 8 at $65. Makes more sense for me to buy the 8.
Yes I agree, and the results seem to show, his following might cloud ppls judgement sometimes and they might overpay. But I also buy from him, I just try to not get caught up when a card is selling too high.
Great topic and exercise. It’s touch to trust GM raw cards grading these days. My last 5 buys raw with them I had 1 color added that didn’t pass e bay authentication and another was trimmed. They sold it after they returned it as mine size. No need for them or raw cards ever again. No need to ever send a card in for grading. Graig was the perfect guest to play this game. He’s good and a first ballot HOFer
Yes he is! Yeah I’ve had a lot of comments from ppl that don’t trust GM anymore. Sad they aren’t looking over cards good enough. Thanks for watching Mike!
Im only part way through this but buying graded cards and cracking out is exactly what we do. All the reasons graded collectors use of peace of mind can be used in our advantage as well. The difference is we don’t have to look for a certain company or add in what a reslab cost would be.
Awesome! Yeah I was thinking that’s what you would do, but thought it was fitting to use you and Jake as an example. I’m sure CGC slabs and Beckett can save you guys some money over raw.
Interesting topic, think grading definitely adds value on a high end card and makes it easier to sell if you need. I think on mid level cards ungraded may get more on eBay. I think there are two drivers: First if un graded the people looking to buy may over value, I think most un graded cards have a 1-3 grade window. The second factor is a number of the eBay sales are auctions and sometimes people just get caught up in the moment. I think there is a better chance of over paying for a non graded card than a graded card. Graded cards usually set the high and low limits bases in comps.
I frequently buy commons on GMC (and keep them raw) but for stars I’m gonna buy PSA or SGC for many of the reasons stated. That being said GMC has become so darn expensive even for high pop commons that it’s almost worth buying those commons graded too.
Yeah, and that’s one of my points… Sometimes grading doesn’t add value, especially when trusted sellers are grading the cards raw. Be careful, a lot of guys are saying they have gotten trimmed cards from GM, I’m sure you check the size when you get them though.
Mr. Miller, I can’t wait to meet you at the National!!! So in your opinion buying the raw card and subbing it raw with GM or Probstein is never the route to go? It appeared from the data GM is getting good prices for ungraded.
@@ClementeCollector if the card has a chance for 8, 9, and 10 from PSA, GM usually falls way behind the set registry PSA collectors. If you have a card that is a 6/7, GM is probably the way to go. They will probably overgrade it compared to PSA standards and one of their buyers who trust them will pay a premium.
Grading does add value, but it doesn't start happening until higher grades. I had two raw vintage cards that I bought for under $6 combined and PSA gave them 9's. That is where the money is made.
21:10 that 4 isn’t nicer. I was watching it. It’s an overgraded copy. It’s way off registered, and it would probably get a *ST qualified 3 if you had it re-graded. Go check out the close Up on the original listing. I think it helps explain why is went for less $. 👍 Also: as an overall metric, what segment of the hobby do the GMC #’s represent? What are the “profiles” of the “big spending return customers “, and who is /are the collectors who are paying the “peace of mind” that the grades are accurate. Free returns if it arrives and you don’t like it. It’s worth a premium to a segment of collectors, sometimes unwarranted, as of late. Some ex-nm guesses seem optimistic.😮
21:10 that 4 isn’t nicer. I was watching it. It’s an overgraded copy. It’s way off registered, and it would probably get a *ST qualified 3 if you had it re-graded. Go check out the close Up on the original listing. I think it helps explain why is went for less $. 👍
Fair point, small pictures only do so much. I think the overall numbers are probably most substantial but at the end of the day, it’s just a small window. Thanks for watching!
Since the president of PSA said the grades depends on who grades it, grades are subjective and it's the grades are the graders opinion, is why i only collect raw. I don't put values on other people opinion when it comes to how much the card should be worth. I only buy from card stores and card shows. When people go up to dealers and expect them to lower thier price because someone bought it on the internet for a low price, dealers are not in competition with the internet. There is alot of places to buy cards, internet, card stores, card shows, antique shops, flea market, so to judge prices according to just the internet, doesn't give a accurate of what the card is selling for.
Brian I appreciate your opinion, and think a lot of ppl feel that way. My question is- why can’t you buy a graded card and crack it out, if the price and card meets what you are looking for? I’ll be honest, a lot of the cards I bought, grades by sgc, would have cost more raw. That’s my opinion of course. You’re right though, tons of transactions happen all the time and they aren’t accounted for!
I buy a lot from GM and send to SGC for grading. My sweet spot has been slightly OC cards listed as Vg-vgex. I feel GM slightly undergrades OC and I’ve had quite a few come back a 5 via SGC.
This vid is long so probably won’t watch much but your thumbnail enticed me to comment. I as a collector, as well as a seller on eBay, have never understood how he realizes such high prices on his listings. So much so, I actually messaged trying to see if he consigns, crickets. Not sure if this “grading vs raw” is a fair debate topic where his listings are concerned. Most the time, getting the right grades on the RIGHT cards will definitely bump the raw value. Greg morris already gets a raw bump on his listings alone, which again, puzzles me beyond belief
@@ClementeCollectorha - well you weren’t crickets. That guy with the moniker “collector/investor/dealer I think has said he has consigned with GM, but I have no idea how or if he allows new customers
I watched this whole video, and I think you proved that grading absolutely adds value to the card. Greg Morris is…. a grader! And he gets paid to grade those cards in the listing, by the seller. It’s a different model - and you don’t get a slab, but Greg Morris makes money because people trust his evaluation… and his evaluation definitely adds value to the card.
@@mookiechillson 15-20, isn’t eBay taking 15 if you sell yourself? But if your point is- sell it at a show or Facebook, then yes eBay/GM is more expensive then PSA- that’s fair!
That’s fair- but 50% of the ungraded cards I see on eBay are the same, even from a seller that has 5 cards. So I guess- how many eBay sellers do you fell qualify as “graders” also? I’m not saying your incorrect that they do a service and it feels ppl trust it, but it feels a lot of sellers followed suite.
@@ClementeCollector well, I think anyone who specifies the condition of their card in a title or description is a grader! If you put a card for sale on ebay with a description of that grade - I'm holding you to it, because you're the grader. Some sellers are definitely more trusted than others... and those are the companies that get the most money for sure (like greg morris). That said, I don't know if Im making any sense lololol
A greg morris raw card is not typical of what an equivalent raw card sells for. People who buy his cards are very unlikely to be able to resell them raw at a comparable price they paid.
Propstien has the worst scans ever the cards always look better in hand. Its crazy to me the colors are so bad and than they almost never show the backs. Give me that killer 5 all day long
Greg Morris cards are graded cards. People pay a premium because Greg Morris has graded them and people feel they can rely on those condition descriptions. Its just not in a slab. Greg Morris grades them just like PSA and SGC does.
Mark I agree, they “grade them” but it’s not grading where you have a slab or grade attached to the card. So if you resell the card, you can’t list, “graded by Greg Morris”…. So to me, the grading is a suggested grade, most ppl treat it that way. Since the grade is gone once you receive the card in a top loader. But that’s my thoughts, thanks for giving your thoughts on it and watching!
@@ClementeCollector for sure - just a lot of raw collectors pay a premium for their grading. Not sure how many people are buying Greg morris cards to slab up or resell but that’s just a hunch. Great video!
@@MarksDodgersCards A main point of the video was- if you have ungraded cards- would you get more value- having a big reseller like GM or Probstein sell them raw or grade them with PsA and then sell them with a reseller graded?
@@ClementeCollector yeah- I get it. I was just reacting to a couple parts where someone talked about buying the card hoping it would grade at a 6 or something. Anyway, interesting video. Thanks for putting it together.
PSA has said they are not grading tougher,its been on Videos where they interview Nat Turner yet everyone says they are grading tougher. So who do you believe? Never graded with PSA Also never hear anyone ever say they can sell PSA for more because it cost more to grade with them and takes longer to get back so you have to add the cost of grading into the final sale price. I buy raw cards all the time but I also don't care what the grade gets if I grade it. SGC all day every day!!!
Yeah it definitely looks tougher from what guys tell me that use them all the time! I agree, SGC is the way to go for me. But wanted to use psa for this because most feel, they have the highest resale value.
@@ClementeCollector Bought about 13 cards from them (High end) and TWO came back as trimmed (49' Musial / 60' Mantle), 8 came back 1-2 grades lower than GM advertised.
You both assumed that the person buying the raw card intended to have it graded. Not me… If I buy it raw, it’s staying raw! Thanks for the analysis, Theo!
I got you, the video was on, does grading add value. But of course, you can buy raw and save the grading fees and collect that way 100% Thanks for all the comments and support my friend
Thanks for the reply to my comment. Using the Greg Morris process for many is a good idea. He seems to get more online for cards than graded cards, at times, so that could a good procedure for many. I personally like to use my own expertise to buy raw and grade because I enjoy the challenge of trying to get the most out of raw cards. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. 😀
I do feel you there! I do the same with SGC and more scarce Clemente cards, it’s a thrill to get a good deal!
This was good, guys. Graig did great guessing the values..except on the ‘59 Sandys 😆 For me this was not so much eye opening but more confirmation that it’s better for me to buy already graded. Lots of great looking, low grade cards out there that take away the guess work as to whether there are unseen/undisclosed flaws and if it’s been altered. Plus I don’t want to deal with sending stuff in 😜 Thanks for putting in the work on this one, Theo
Yes of course and I’m glad you liked it! Also, a lot of times SGC or another grader you could save money buying graded. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Interesting exercise Theo. I think your guest is right in that people like to gamble and see if they can't get lucky. I think this is especially true with Greg Morris Cards. I have purchased 1000s of cards from Greg Morris (GM). Side topic - I have noticed that GM offers a grade that is consistently 1 to 2 grades higher than what PSA grades at. I tracked this in a spreadsheet for some time. More recently, about 10% of the cards I have purchased from GM has come back trimmed, altered, etc. from PSA. One needs to be careful when purchasing raw cards no matter who the seller is even if they are one of the more reputable sellers on eBay.
Drew I can’t believe you have that data, I really think you should share some on a video, it’s really interesting! Thanks for texting me and keeping me posted on some of it. Crazy how those marked cards didn’t get recognized!
@@ClementeCollector I don't know what their process is. Are they hand inspected? Are they scanned and a software auto grades them? Given the volume they have, it would be hard to imagine them doing each card by hand. In either case, the system is flawed.
@@CleanCheapShots yeah, I don’t know. Would be interesting to find out
This is exactly why I stopped. Great data. GM has become just another landmine in the hobby. Avoid.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC I have some photos that I sent to Theo as examples. Theo, feel free to share them with Mike P. or others if you like.
I’ve seen several complaints about GM ‘overgrading’ raw cards compared to what they later grade for at PSA
Yeah, I’ve felt like when I crossed from GM to SGC, I’m usually getting the lower grade, not the upper. But not a large amount of examples.
How can you do an exercise like this, when you don’t know whether or not the card has a crease? They often don’t show up in scans. As an example, Graig saying the PeeWee 4 is definitely nicer than the 3… well, if the 4 has a wrinkle or crease, then the 3 is better. The problem is that eBay sellers have gotten so lazy that they no longer disclose creases. Their descriptions are either generic, non-existent, or simply say “see pics”. I would definitely pay more for the 3 (or a raw card) than a PSA 4 with an undisclosed crease. And good point by Theo on cracking them out… if the PSA slab bugs you (like it does me), just crack it out! Sometimes the best example for the price is in a PSA slab. But that shouldn’t exempt you from buying it. Freeing it from its ugly tomb takes about 25 seconds.
Haha, thanks Mark. I personally hope if PSA or GM are saying 3-4 grade, it doesn’t have a crease, that should be under a 3, but yes it’s possible. I agree- I hate the seller that says- see picture, it’s an EX but I’m not a grader! lol! Thanks for watching and sharing!
@@ClementeCollector You are so great at responding, Theo... thank you! It is easy to find PSA 4s with creases. I don't think I can post a link here, but if you look at the '54 Bowman Mays PSA 4 (Lot #59232) in the current Heritage Auction, you'll easily see a significant crease to the right of his knee. PSA 3s and 4s have these issues more than you'd believe. PSA's inconsistency is what keeps me from embracing them. And their wait times, high fees, inability to detect alteration and horrible communication all contribute as well. I was glad to see your indisputable proof that TPG Grading does not always bring higher prices. Thanks!
This was great to listen to as I sorted cards. Good stuff.
Thanks man!!! 👊🏻
Hi Theo, Graig. Great to hear from you gentlemen on this topic. I argue that it really is about getting l lucky in a lot of ways. I have many stories of GM getting it wrong at SGC (trimmed, 2s instead of 4/5s and the like). Quite often the get it right (most of the time) but when they get it wrong it can be hard to overlook or accept and certainly memorable. I believe that you guys hit it on the head by saying there are many ways in which the way a "premium" might get involved for an ungraded card. Premiums are simply preferences that people have (learned, feel or whatever) that may not help in the grading process but make the cost of the card go up. I believe that the reason people would pay more for an ungraded card (a riskier buy) is because something about the card makes them overlook the risk or cost. They don't see many with the particular feature (centering, registration, corners etc.) so they are willing to pay more when they find the "card". I believe that finance-based studies of vintage card sale/valuations studies are always so interesting but typically create more questions than they answer. In the end card pricing is really a matter of opinion (influenced, qualified or other) and this makes it fun and exciting but also risky and frustrating. Great video and chat and as always thanks for your insight and opinions.
Very great thoughts on this topic and I pretty much agree with you on them all. I haven’t seen many run any numbers on GMC and it was kind of nice to do it. Appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching!
The problem now with sending in to psa is u might think u have a five and there is more of a chance the card comes back a 3 or 4 rather than a 6. Great show guys!!
Great point, thanks for the kind words and watching David!
I, like many loyal customers of GM, his ability to never take day off on his auctions and offer so many amazing cards is why he has success. I have learned that his following is a liability to me. I will buy a 1971 Topps NM-MT card for $30 and I will find that same card graded a 7 at $32 or an 8 at $65. Makes more sense for me to buy the 8.
Yes I agree, and the results seem to show, his following might cloud ppls judgement sometimes and they might overpay. But I also buy from him, I just try to not get caught up when a card is selling too high.
Great topic and exercise. It’s touch to trust GM raw cards grading these days. My last 5 buys raw with them I had 1 color added that didn’t pass e bay authentication and another was trimmed. They sold it after they returned it as mine size. No need for them or raw cards ever again. No need to ever send a card in for grading.
Graig was the perfect guest to play this game. He’s good and a first ballot HOFer
Yes he is! Yeah I’ve had a lot of comments from ppl that don’t trust GM anymore. Sad they aren’t looking over cards good enough. Thanks for watching Mike!
I would trust GMC not to put a trimmed card out there. They know their stuff.
LOL, you're delusional. GM is terrible
Unfortunately some ppl in the chat said different. Kind of surprised I haven’t heard this much in the community but I can’t say, I’ve had this issue.
I'm impressed in the knowledge of comps without researching beforehand. I wish you could show cheaper cards in my wheelhouse. Great job theo.
That’s fair, I’ll try to do a better spread on future videos, I also buy a lot of $10-$50 cards. Thanks for watching!
Im only part way through this but buying graded cards and cracking out is exactly what we do. All the reasons graded collectors use of peace of mind can be used in our advantage as well. The difference is we don’t have to look for a certain company or add in what a reslab cost would be.
Awesome! Yeah I was thinking that’s what you would do, but thought it was fitting to use you and Jake as an example. I’m sure CGC slabs and Beckett can save you guys some money over raw.
Interesting topic, think grading definitely adds value on a high end card and makes it easier to sell if you need. I think on mid level cards ungraded may get more on eBay. I think there are two drivers:
First if un graded the people looking to buy may over value, I think most un graded cards have a 1-3 grade window.
The second factor is a number of the eBay sales are auctions and sometimes people just get caught up in the moment.
I think there is a better chance of over paying for a non graded card than a graded card. Graded cards usually set the high and low limits bases in comps.
Very good point! I see what you mean- a raw card has many possibilities. So if you had these 12 cards would you grade them and sell them or use GM?
@@ClementeCollector If I was looking to make the most money I would probably take my chances leaving them raw and selling with GM.
He said his Dad looks for high quality at low price....is that not what everyone tries to do or am i missing something?
I frequently buy commons on GMC (and keep them raw) but for stars I’m gonna buy PSA or SGC for many of the reasons stated. That being said GMC has become so darn expensive even for high pop commons that it’s almost worth buying those commons graded too.
Yeah, and that’s one of my points… Sometimes grading doesn’t add value, especially when trusted sellers are grading the cards raw. Be careful, a lot of guys are saying they have gotten trimmed cards from GM, I’m sure you check the size when you get them though.
People with a good eye for card condition can definitely make a profit buying raw cards and getting them graded.
Mr. Miller, I can’t wait to meet you at the National!!! So in your opinion buying the raw card and subbing it raw with GM or Probstein is never the route to go? It appeared from the data GM is getting good prices for ungraded.
@@ClementeCollector if the card has a chance for 8, 9, and 10 from PSA, GM usually falls way behind the set registry PSA collectors. If you have a card that is a 6/7, GM is probably the way to go. They will probably overgrade it compared to PSA standards and one of their buyers who trust them will pay a premium.
@@cardboardandplastic9267 that makes sense, I could see that
Grading does add value, but it doesn't start happening until higher grades. I had two raw vintage cards that I bought for under $6 combined and PSA gave them 9's. That is where the money is made.
Fair point. Thanks for sharing!
21:10 that 4 isn’t nicer. I was watching it. It’s an overgraded copy.
It’s way off registered, and it would probably get a *ST qualified 3 if you had it re-graded. Go check out the close Up on the original listing. I think it helps explain why is went for less $. 👍
Also: as an overall metric, what segment of the hobby do the GMC #’s represent?
What are the “profiles” of the “big spending return customers “, and who is /are the collectors who are paying the “peace of mind” that the grades are accurate.
Free returns if it arrives and you don’t like it.
It’s worth a premium to a segment of collectors, sometimes unwarranted, as of late. Some ex-nm guesses seem optimistic.😮
21:10 that 4 isn’t nicer. I was watching it. It’s an overgraded copy.
It’s way off registered, and it would probably get a *ST qualified 3 if you had it re-graded. Go check out the close Up on the original listing. I think it helps explain why is went for less $. 👍
Fair point, small pictures only do so much. I think the overall numbers are probably most substantial but at the end of the day, it’s just a small window. Thanks for watching!
Since the president of PSA said the grades depends on who grades it, grades are subjective and it's the grades are the graders opinion, is why i only collect raw. I don't put values on other people opinion when it comes to how much the card should be worth. I only buy from card stores and card shows. When people go up to dealers and expect them to lower thier price because someone bought it on the internet for a low price, dealers are not in competition with the internet. There is alot of places to buy cards, internet, card stores, card shows, antique shops, flea market, so to judge prices according to just the internet, doesn't give a accurate of what the card is selling for.
Brian I appreciate your opinion, and think a lot of ppl feel that way. My question is- why can’t you buy a graded card and crack it out, if the price and card meets what you are looking for? I’ll be honest, a lot of the cards I bought, grades by sgc, would have cost more raw. That’s my opinion of course. You’re right though, tons of transactions happen all the time and they aren’t accounted for!
I buy a lot from GM and send to SGC for grading. My sweet spot has been slightly OC cards listed as Vg-vgex. I feel GM slightly undergrades OC and I’ve had quite a few come back a 5 via SGC.
That’s really great info, I hope others read this!
This vid is long so probably won’t watch much but your thumbnail enticed me to comment. I as a collector, as well as a seller on eBay, have never understood how he realizes such high prices on his listings. So much so, I actually messaged trying to see if he consigns, crickets. Not sure if this “grading vs raw” is a fair debate topic where his listings are concerned. Most the time, getting the right grades on the RIGHT cards will definitely bump the raw value. Greg morris already gets a raw bump on his listings alone, which again, puzzles me beyond belief
Even though it’s too long to watch! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the topic, you make good points! Crickets 🤣
@@ClementeCollectorha - well you weren’t crickets. That guy with the moniker “collector/investor/dealer I think has said he has consigned with GM, but I have no idea how or if he allows new customers
Gave a video like. Enjoyed the discussion, thanks for sharing
Thanks Hodges!!!!
I watched this whole video, and I think you proved that grading absolutely adds value to the card. Greg Morris is…. a grader! And he gets paid to grade those cards in the listing, by the seller. It’s a different model - and you don’t get a slab, but Greg Morris makes money because people trust his evaluation… and his evaluation definitely adds value to the card.
And when you think about it… Greg Morris is actually a more expensive grader! They take a bigger cut than PSA… 15-20%?
That’s a really good point.
@@mookiechillson 15-20, isn’t eBay taking 15 if you sell yourself? But if your point is- sell it at a show or Facebook, then yes eBay/GM is more expensive then PSA- that’s fair!
That’s fair- but 50% of the ungraded cards I see on eBay are the same, even from a seller that has 5 cards. So I guess- how many eBay sellers do you fell qualify as “graders” also? I’m not saying your incorrect that they do a service and it feels ppl trust it, but it feels a lot of sellers followed suite.
@@ClementeCollector well, I think anyone who specifies the condition of their card in a title or description is a grader! If you put a card for sale on ebay with a description of that grade - I'm holding you to it, because you're the grader. Some sellers are definitely more trusted than others... and those are the companies that get the most money for sure (like greg morris). That said, I don't know if Im making any sense lololol
A greg morris raw card is not typical of what an equivalent raw card sells for. People who buy his cards are very unlikely to be able to resell them raw at a comparable price they paid.
Fair. So if someone buys a vintage raw collection- should they send to GM or get graded? And then sell?
Hahahah epic sax guy returns!!!
lol, let’s gooooo!!! 🎷
Propstien has the worst scans ever the cards always look better in hand. Its crazy to me the colors are so bad and than they almost never show the backs. Give me that killer 5 all day long
Dude, I was blown away by that! I can’t believe how bad they were. Thanks for watching! 🤙🏻
Greg Morris cards are graded cards. People pay a premium because Greg Morris has graded them and people feel they can rely on those condition descriptions. Its just not in a slab. Greg Morris grades them just like PSA and SGC does.
Mark I agree, they “grade them” but it’s not grading where you have a slab or grade attached to the card. So if you resell the card, you can’t list, “graded by Greg Morris”…. So to me, the grading is a suggested grade, most ppl treat it that way. Since the grade is gone once you receive the card in a top loader. But that’s my thoughts, thanks for giving your thoughts on it and watching!
@@ClementeCollector for sure - just a lot of raw collectors pay a premium for their grading. Not sure how many people are buying Greg morris cards to slab up or resell but that’s just a hunch. Great video!
@@MarksDodgersCards A main point of the video was- if you have ungraded cards- would you get more value- having a big reseller like GM or Probstein sell them raw or grade them with PsA and then sell them with a reseller graded?
@@ClementeCollector yeah- I get it. I was just reacting to a couple parts where someone talked about buying the card hoping it would grade at a 6 or something. Anyway, interesting video. Thanks for putting it together.
@@MarksDodgersCards yeah no problem, I’m happy it got a conversation going and I appreciate the kind words!
GM requires a minimum value of $5000 to consign with them.
Really? So your full consignment needs to be 5 K I didn’t know that
@@ClementeCollector yes, I checked into it about 6-8 months ago
The low end of greg morris is way worse. By ten fold nightly of this.
Hmmm, good to know, thanks for sharing!
PSA has said they are not grading tougher,its been on Videos where they interview Nat Turner yet everyone says they are grading tougher.
So who do you believe?
Never graded with PSA
Also never hear anyone ever say they can sell PSA for more because it cost more to grade with them and takes longer to get back so you have to add the cost of grading into the final sale price.
I buy raw cards all the time but I also don't care what the grade gets if I grade it.
SGC all day every day!!!
Yeah it definitely looks tougher from what guys tell me that use them all the time! I agree, SGC is the way to go for me. But wanted to use psa for this because most feel, they have the highest resale value.
GM graders are HORRIBLE!! Consistently OVER graded cards
Great info, thanks for sharing your experience!
@@ClementeCollector Bought about 13 cards from them (High end) and TWO came back as trimmed (49' Musial / 60' Mantle), 8 came back 1-2 grades lower than GM advertised.
@@rockcundiff1761 wow, now does GM offer refund on the trimmed cards?
@@ClementeCollector Refunded the Musial and when I gave them negative feedback......they blocked me!
@@rockcundiff1761 gezz, I really hate that about eBay. This is why 100% eBay score isn’t safe.