Great video and your guide on ripping UHD Blu-Rays was great, but there are two ways you can improve this setup. Firstly I'd setup Tdarr for transcoding instead of Handbrake, Tdarr is much more suited towards automated transcoding and once you point it at your library you can very easily alter it however you want (transcoding, remove embedded subs, foreign language tracks etc.) and it's pretty much set and forget, Handbrake's watch folder needs a bit more manual intervention. Next I would suggest just spending a tiny bit more and getting a GPU which supports H.265 transcoding, you can get a Quadro P400 for less than $50. H.265 takes up significantly less space than H.264 at the same quality and allows you to really increase the size of your movie library on any given storage constraints.
What's the best method for just brute forcing my way through instead of using handbrake. I want to use a full fat mkv blu ray rip. I'll never be streaming to more than one tv at a time and almost always at native res.
Thanks for the videos. You mentioned near the top that you liked the form factor of these DT Optiplexes, "especially when lying flat". I had my 7010 SFF on its side for a couple of years before I realized the "DELL" logo on the bezel can be rotated 90 degrees. This is my primary work machine, maxed out with an I7-3770, 4x8 GB RAM, two Samsung EVO 1TB SATA SSDs (one in an optical drive bay adapter), and a 1 TB Inland NVME via a PCIe adapter. I'm driving two 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors from the I7's onboard graphics. I don't game or edit videos, just database conversions, software development, office tasks and web browsing. This little workhouse has been running nearly 24/7 for many, many years and has never let me down. I'm building a 12th gen Intel box now and will convert the "Little Dell that could" to a Linux server.
For what you are doing, you don't need a new machine, most of the new machines do the same stuff you are doing, at the same speed, if you are lucky...it seems like they've really tapered off in the way of speed increases until you get into high end productivity machines with multiple processors and such...but, like you, I just run what I have, and it works fine for my daily needs....those SFF Optiplex machines do pretty well...they were built for business, they were built to be upgraded/updated, rather than used a couple years and thrown away like so many of today's machines with everything onboard and not being able to upgrade RAM and sometimes even your storage drive isn't removable....what the heck LOL. I've salvaged a lot of the Dell Optiplex machines in recent months, cleaned them up, installed an SSD, fresh windows installation, and have given them away to families with school aged kids that can't afford to buy that stuff. They're not the latest and greatest but they'll get the job done pretty well when all you are doing is school work, web browsing, and a few youtube videos.
@@wildbill23c while I agree Intel has stagnated in recent years, you can't really ignore the single-thread performance in 12th gen is a huge upgrade over 3rd gen. Since many workloads are still single-threaded, you care about single-thread performance. A 12700 will run circles around a 3770, and more efficiently. iGPU performance is even more noticeable when you jump 8 or 9 generations forward.
Since you have nvidia card, I think you could use ffmpeg and nvenc to transcode the blu-ray. Decode the video with the CPU, then resize and encode to h264 with the GPU. Audio can be easily copied without re-encoding. At the same time, delete unnecessary tracks.
The issue with GPU encoding (e.g NVENC) is that the filesize is larger, and quality is lower. Software X264/X265 takes longer but gives the best result. He could still use MakeMKV if he finds it easier, and use MKVToolNix to remove unwanted tracks (audio streams, subs, etc...) as well.
@@jarsky Quality concerns are really miniscule nowadays, high motion footage like video games still suffer, but movies are more than okay to just transcode with the gpu.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of, anyway. I messed with tdarr a little, but couldn't get it figured out without spending more time on it than I wanted to. I just use an unmanic container (again, couldn't get it working the way that I wanted it to) and I have a couple of bash scripts that I wrote, to encode files that I drop into an imports folder, and then process them with the hevc nvenc encoder, using a GTX1650 GPU in the NAS. Average speed is about 18 to 20x (compared to about 2x for CPU encoding, although, the Intel QSV encoder was around 10x, so would still be a good option if you didn't have a dedicated GPU to lean on) I know that I should just spend a little more time in tdarr, however, MOST of my old collection from pre Netflix days has now been imported, and transcoded, and more importantly, all renamed to have a consistent naming convention (I can't believe how little I used to care about filenames, and folder structures lmao, one of the reasons it's always fun to explore old HDD's)
ffmpeg is so much faster than handbrake for me. it doesn matter which preset I use or how custom I make it, a simple ffmpeg libx265 is at least twice as fast with the same CRF
It would be cool to see you do a video on the Automatic Ripping Machine (ARM) project. I don't think I've ever seen someone document setting it up and your videos are always so thorough! And I think you might enjoy all that sweet automation goodness
I agree, fully automating this process would be awesome. I know ARM gave me troubles in the past, but it’d be cool to see it take a 4K Blu-ray and rip/transcode/store for jellyfin all automatically
I'm sure I've seen something like this in the Unraid plug-ins. A Docker container that uses MakeMKV, but I haven't tried it since I store my Blu-Rays as decrypted isos, not as an mkv.
Thank you for mentioning Jeff Geerling! He's one of my favorite content creators. He's also local to where I live. Dude goes to the same Microcenter as me lol. He has some amazing Raspberry pi and Kubernetes videos, plus he literally wrote the book on Ansible.
I use a rehoused 790 motherboard in a full height ATX case. I'm using it to run Automation software for a Radio Station. The Rehousing was to support a full height video card, and to add more storage bays. Dell was still using a standard ATX Power Supply in this design. So i replaced it with a larger one.
10 years isn’t really that old for a computer anymore. Anything from 10 years ago is a reasonable up-to-date and modern computer as far as I’m concerned. Even some computers from 15 years ago with the faster variants of C2D and C2Q aren’t too shabby for basic tasks. Good to see a computer like this put to good use rather than be wasted. I’m actually surprised by the performance issues you had.
For many people a Thinkpad T420, or even a T410 can still handle their daily needs...although heavy compared to a brand new laptop...those old laptops and desktops will still do the job that many people actually use their computers for. Its when you get into heavy CPU/RAM usage needs like editing video, photos, ripping movies, etc. is when you really need the new hardware to support the new processes that some people are trying to do...although the old machine will handle it, it'll take way too long to get any meaningful use out of it for certain tasks. Most daily computing needs can be done on older machines for sure. I have a Thinkstation S20 for my desktop PC...still does all my daily computing needs....and the 10,000RPM 1TB hard drive can more easily keep up with tasks that many of today's drives can't due to their lower speeds...thinking of doing an SSD swap at some point though.
@Alexander Ratisbona A friend of mine has a PC I built for him out of stuff I had lying around, including a Core 2 Quad Q9650, slightly overclocked. He uses it to run DAW software to record his music and it works great for him. The machine is left on 24 hours a day, and it's been three years since I built it.
In Unraid it's generally better to make separate shares for Movies and TV Shows. While this isn't a big deal if you're only running a single array drive, it can cause issues if you add more drives to your array. One of the main advantages of Unraid is that you can basically add another drive whenever you want to or whenever you need more capacity in your array. Having your Movies and TV Shows on different shares allows you to change the split level of each share individually. For movies you should set Split Level to only split the top level directory, that way all the contents of each movie's folder stay on the same drive. For TV Shows you want to set it to split the top two levels of the directory, that allows you to keep each season on the same drive, but allows different seasons of a TV Show to be written to different drives. TV Shows can take a significant amount of array space and if you have it set to only split the top level directory, Unraid will try to put the entire TV Show on a single drive, even if it is out of space, per your split level settings for that share. Keeping the whole season on a single drive avoids long load times when watching multiple episodes but also helps avoid trying to write large TV Shows with multiple seasons all to one drive even when that drive is out of space.
For sure. I just didn’t think it was worth diving into split levels on this video, especially since this system is about to get stripped down anyway. Great explanation of it though, and I hope other people come across this! Wish I could pin it 👍🏻
@@HardwareHaven For sure, that makes sense. Love the video though, seeing another nerd like myself figuring things out as we go! I'm mostly self taught when it comes to tech, but have learned a lot setting up 3 servers now that I have running in my homelab. I've made a bunch of mistakes over the years and just want to help other people avoid the pitfalls and frustrations from the mistakes I've made! I have two separate Unraid servers running and one that runs Proxmox, tons to learn with both OS's. Keep up the content!
It’s 5AM and I’m just going to bed because I followed this guide earlier yesterday to flash my Blu-ray drive and started ripping 4K movies 😂😂 Huge thank you
Okay, that's too weird. At 3:57 There's a random image of my city (Calgary) for less than a second, and I'm just here to watch an old computer running 4K UHD discs! @Hardware Haven If you see this, please, can you tell me what this video of Calgary is? 😃
Because of the Optiplex 790 being stuck on Sandy Bridge, I used the Optiplex 7010 as my starting point for my build. Unfortunately I grabbed the SFF and not the DT form factor, with the disappointing laptop optical drive. Now that time has moved on, Haswell and newer generation desktops are getting cheap. I'll use this as inspiration to play around with unRAID though. Thanks for the awesome content!
It's 2023, get a computer that can hardware encode H265, not H264. Recent phones, streaming boxes, smart TVs, and computers can decode H265. The H265 files can be smaller and/or of better quality than H264. The new AV1 codec is being implemented right now in some devices.
Doing something similar but different with my Optiplex 9010. Using it as a Plex server with 3TB of SSD, i7-3770S CPU, RX 6500, and 16Gb of RAM. I may add a 6Tb HDD if I run out of space. Although it does have an optical drive, I'm doing all the ripping and transcoding with my 9th gen i9 computer with 28Tb of storage. Using MakeMKV and Handbrake. I don't have a lot of bluerays, but a couple hundred DVDs and adding more. I'm also ripping several hundred music CDs. It's taking a while. I have a Cisco UCS C240 M4 server with 120Tb laying around doing nothing, but it might be a little overkill.
Forget the server. Rip your movies to the biggest drive you can afford. Then get an external drive to copy them to, plug that into your TV's USB. Done, watch. Repeat with other movies with another drive.
I haven't ripped a DVD in over 10 years. It's interesting to see a lot of the same tools are being used but is seems like the process has gotten much more complicated.
3:10 if you look closely, you'll see that the blue drive bracket in the top right of the picture, holds a 3.5" as well as a 2.5" drive so you don't need to buy a bracket if you're just using an SSD and a spinning SATA drive. The first SATA port on the motherboard supports 6GB/s SATA 3 for an SSD, but the second and third SATA ports only do 3GB/s, so don't expect miracles. For a real increase in speed, a PCIe adapter with an MVME stick would probably help (I think the motherboard can do PCI mode 3 but not mode 4). You probably also want a USB3 adapter but since there are no 5.25" style Molex connectors on the power supply, that will take some improvisation.
Watching your videos gave me the confidence I needed to finally go Unraid on my server desktop. Just waiting for all my files to land on the NAS and then gotta set up Plex and we’re home 🤗 also for the last week have been trying different configs. Huge thank you man 🎉
I've being using an old AMD PC @2010 for home movie storage, plug into router and it shows on five samrt TVs in our home, works really well and its tucked away out of sight.
I have the same PC. Mine came with a bracket that holds a 3.5" Drive on the top, and a 2.5" on the underside (Dell 0R494D J132D). I put a i7 2600, 16GB Crucial DDR3-1600, 480GB Kingston SSD, and the same LG BD-ROM/DVD-RW drive. I also added in a Low Profile Radeon R7 450 4GB GDDR5.
You have inspired me to not be as scared about the flashing of the bluray drive. I have been putting off that part for...a bit. Since my current unraid tower is a full size desktop, I can just slap that drive in and call it a day once I format it.
Yeah right I just watched the video again. The GPU does not supported the h265 codec. But I think at least the encoding part to h264 could be accelerated by the GPU
I've taken a few years off of tech to pursue other hobbies, but having limited budget for hobbies lately videos like yours have had me very intrigued to start spending time on PCs again. I should be picking up an optiplex 3060 SFF (i7-8700, 16GB RAM) for $100 this evening. Pretty stoked! I still need to find a another for a router/firewall box. I wish the USFF/Micro had a PCI-E slot for a NIC.
@@HardwareHaven Pro-tip- It's become an outdated marketplace these days but I find all the best deals on Craigslist. Project cars, Used furniture, old commercial PCs apparently too! Thanks for the videos!
I would try and find a top-of-the-line core i7 of that generation that would definitely help with things some and probably maybe even give you much better transcoding encoding speed for the videos because I remember trying to encode a 60-plus GB 4K file movie and take it down to a much more reasonable size on a 2600 k core i7 before I upgraded to a 2700x and I remember it saying it would take around six hours and that's quite a long time but lot less than that 16 hours you showed
I have an Optiplex 990DT, also with a second gen i5. The local Microsoft TPR that sold it to me gave it Dell's stock/standard ATI AMD Radeon HD 6360. For arcade-emulation gaming and Final Fantasy XI Online, it's absolutely perfect. Dell Optiplex and Precision are the only desktops that I trust. In the passed, I've had ASUS and a few HP's. They were not as good as Dell. I have found that Optiplex and Precision have consistently come from the factory with the DVD drive set on territory 0. This is fantastic for people like me who hae have extensive library of territory 2 anime DVD's.
Since you're files are going across multiple devices and being transcoded, fileflows or tdarr could be good solutions for you. Both support hardware encoding and work with workers that you can install on your home pcs to help. The server distributes the tasks to all workers. The final renaming and importing could be made easier with sonarr and radarr that are normally used for torrenting but have watch folders and manual imports. They get the series info from IMDb and help to keep track what you've ripped in which quality and what is missing in your collection.
I did something similar with a 4th gen Dell Optiplex mid tower. It's stock on the outside, but heavily modded on the inside. I drilled out the HDD cage to make room for a 1080ti hybrid, did the ATX PSU mod, and threw in a Magic Reform 4980hq that has the 128mb l4 eDRAM cache. It can be tweaked to near 4790k speeds while consuming about a third of the power Storage is mounted in an adapter that I slung under the 5.25 bays. There's not a ton of room left, but it works. Emulates pretty much anything I throw at it, plays 4k movies fine. It's great little PC for when company is over
i love how you say the i5 2400 isnt a great fit for a home server because of the power draw while my home server consumes about as much power, just with much lower performance... A4 4000... piledriver/bulldozer/steamroller/excavator was a MESS
Does Handbrake convert the original HDR video to a lower bitrate and also keep the HDR? That's interesting, I use ffmpeg from cmd and use hardware acceleration and the best I can do is tonemap it. Also in jellyfin I believe, tonemapping is not available for CPU, only hardware transcode can, which is why in 10:43 the lionsgate logo looks weird. I'm wondering if you can utilize the minisforum ryzen PC as a jellyfin or as a handbrake transcoder (via network share, though the share speed is not that fast), however I don't know the hardware transcoding capability and quality of Ryzen APU. Overall great video showcasing the potential of these hardware and tools.
Someone probably said this somewhere below but jsyk that's not a dual NVME adaptor - I have have same exact card - it has one NVME drive that goes through PCIe as normal and one SATA drive which is POWERED by PCIE but then connects to the mobo with that SATA port on the back so that the M.2 SATA drive is then connected via an old school SATA port....hence the different keying and the NVME mentioned on one side and NGFF (next gen form factor for SATA) on the other
By using the jellyfin "native" client rathen than the web client, there's no need to transcode most of the time. Range of codecs supported by browsers is smaller than the app.
get a quadro a2000 card (or any newer quadros that support h265). also, get a proper storage, with like 20-40 TB space to store all those blurays in their untouched bitrate. it's worth it.
I was able to set up Tdarr that automatically transcodes. You can set it up for FFMPEG or Handbrake. It will watch a folder and you can make it automatically transcode based on watched folders or whenever you tell it to do a new scan.
I owned an identical model about a year ago - beefed it up to 16 gigs ram and used it as a spare Hyper-V machine for odds and sodds until I sold it off to some who needed a better machine after a laptop breakdown. I'm at the same thought pattern as you with the limited processing fabrication. 2nd gen is quite old and struggles to keep with modern day computing demands.
Nvidia T400 is an alternative to the K2000, it will allow you to use HEVC encoding/decoding. I am currently using an old Dell rack server with 2 x E5-2667v2 CPUs, draws too much power, so I am in the midst of getting together a server (HP ML110 Gen9) that will use a single E5-2630L v3, paired with Nvidia T600 for transcoding requirements.
I use a Chuwi Larkbox Pro Mini PC as my media center. Running on Windows 11. Hooked up to my library on an external hard drive. Considering transferring to an ssd for faster loading time. Perfect tiny setup if you ask me. I could use a "bigger" mini pc but I really wanted something ultra small and simple.
I have an OptiPlex 3040 micro. I tried to use it for UHD Blu-rays, but I ran into the same speed issue you found. If you want hardware decode for 10-bit H265, you need at least Kaby Lake (7th gen). I have 6th gen Skylake, and the dell bios won’t allow me to upgrade, even though it’s the same socket. But otherwise, it’s very small, quiet, and pretty efficient.
One way to improve here is another method of offloading to various nodes on your network with tdarr. It can monitor your central library folder and replace files when new additions are detected.
I don't know why but I clicked this video with a MJD vibe expectation and then I saw you and _where the hell I am bro_ I was certain this was from his channel, what a mind bug
Currently running a Amahi overlay on a Fedora 27 server on a custom water cooled ROG Rampage V Extreme, I7-6800K, 64G ram, 24Tb Raid 6 (4 x 12Tb NAS Drives) with a 2Tb M2 SSD boot. Running a Plex server for media. A bit overkill when you think about it but was having way to many hardware problems with this MB as my daily driver. Runs well as the server.
You should take a look at radarr/sonarr to automatically rename/manage and import your media files, this will save you time and it's easy to setup in unraid (or any other os)
@@HardwareHaven It sure is usefull for that haha, but I believe it can also be used for a legitimate media library. For torrenting stuff, prowlarr is also used in addition to those services to automate the whole process.
Cool setup. I would just add as a tip, if your streaming device or smart TV has support for H.265 playback already built-in (most do these days), I'd disable hardware transcoding on the Optiplex and just stream everything with direct play. You'll eliminate the stuttering and you can keep your video files as H.265, which is much more efficient storage-wise and will save you a TON of space over time.
what do you use to rip bluerays as far as i know there wasnt a software that could like ive been using winxdvdripper platinum for DVD's and didnt know software for blurays
Something that would be interesting to see is if it would work as a good server if under clocked/volted while just acting as a server and going to default clocks when ripping drives. With how common these machines have become in the past few years its an easy entry but power consumption can be the real cost driver over time.
For the heck of it, you could swap the motherboard and processor in that Dell out to something a little more modern, like a Ryzen 5 3600 with a B450 or B550 board. The only issue you’ll have is getting the pinout for the power button, power LED, and HDD LED (I remember that being the only proprietary thing in that computer). The only thing you might need is a low-profile cooler, but I think a stock cooler like the wraith would fit.
I also talked myself out of a cache pool on my server. I've found that it can stream multiple 4K videos at once without bogging down the drives or the basic gigabit ethernet I'm using, and my ARC hits are already pretty high. On a basic home media server, it's pretty overkill. Though the adapter card would allow you to have more disk space in the small form factor.
I'm going to be doing a similar setup on a 790 I picked up about a week or two ago, just waiting to move around some network things so I can hook it up. I was worried that the i5 might not be enough. I've seen a lot about these boards in the 790 accepting Xeons with the latest bios update even though dell doesn't say they are supported. there's a Xeon 1260L with a 45w tdp, and a few others with 80w tdp in that socket generation. they're super cheap so I am going to try it out and see whether the system will run with one. no Igpu but that's fine if you're running headless or are using one for transcoding anyways.
Handbrake does support hardware encoding & decoding so if you upgraded the GPU you could use handbrake on the same computer to do transcoding. I was running plex on a Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30GHz 3.30 GHz 8.00 GB (7.88 GB usable) So a slightly newer CPU than what you mentioned, but I kept running into out of memory & CPU errors when my kids & I were all watching different shows. I decided if I was going to build a new plex server (GPUs were going for triple MSRP at the time) I would make it a relatively high-end system. I put in a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K with 128 GB of RAM. I used RAID 5 for my 4 drives, & boot off an M.2 drive with a DVD & Blu-ray drive in the system. Because the CPU includes a decent GPU it can hardware transcode h.264 & h.265 with no issues.
Most of the older processors don't have the encoders needed to encode, later model Intel chips (like 8th or later) do have H265 compression codex built in, otherwise they just chomp their way thru with regular processing..it is possible...but it's ALOT slower than using video card cuda cores :(
question, if I rip 4k UHD movies to a NAS pc with MKV- the pc nas will not perform any transcoding, simply hold the movie files - can I watch them without losing bitrate or UHD sound quality from a Nvidia Sheild Pro with PLEX on the Nvidia Shield PRO. ? Also does the NAS host pc have to have a good CPU and RAM to stream more than one 4k UHD movie at at time ?
I've got a few similar machines at home that make pretty good retro gaming PCs. I've also used them for ripping DVDs as the included optical drives tend to rip quicker than USB drives. However when it comes to converting - even with a gen 2 i7 it can take quite a few hours. Although it's fine to leave it going overnight and they'll be done when you get up. These days I tend to lean towards x265 encodes for my collections because of the smaller file sizes. While the machines are fine for ripping and software encoding DVDs to x265, I'm not too sure whether they'll play them natively. I suppose using something like Kodi or Jellyfin player should work. I also tried encoding a 20GB Bluray and it was going to take about 3 days LOL. Personally for media centres I'd probably go a newer mini PC like those from Lenovo, HP and Dell (even though they don't have room for a DVD drive without the extension). 7 & 8th Gen tend to have x265 encoding.
Im in a similar situation with a hp 800 g2 6500 sff that I got. I love the form factor and it sits nicely in my living room. Problem with it, is that its all proprietary hp components, so upgrading is a pain in the ass at best and impossible at worst.
I'm doing something very similar to this but my older office PC of choice is a Lenovo ThinkCentre M93P small form factor PC with the Intel Core i5-4590 (Quad core) It has served me well and has a total of 8 USB ports on it for expandability 6 of which are super speed. This was $100. I think it is a good 1st setup for me to get started and begin learning.
I have the exact same optiplex also running a 2nd gen i5 which I converted to a home jellyfin and file/torrent server. I too, love the look of the optiplex lol. There is an additional slot for a 2.5 inch drive at the bottom part of the stock HDD holder(light blue plastic part). I was able to mount a 2.5" Sata SSD as boot drive and 2 units of 2.5" 1TB HDD on a 3.5 to 2.5 converter mount as well as a 3.5" 3TB low power HDD in a 5.75" HDD hot swap caddy. Total of 3x mechanical drive and 1x SSD. So far the PSU is able to keep running without any sudden shut down.
A tip on handbrake, use an nvidia gpu (in my case a 2070) and it will do it in minutes with H.265 nvenc (or H.264 if prefered). I have not had the chance to use it but there are AMD versions of nvenc as well as intels quicksync and now av1 with intel gpus.
OptiPlex's are pretty solid. I have two of them in my house, one is a i5 2500, maxed out ram/SSD/GT630 2gb (triple monitors), is on 24/7 and hasn't skipped a beat in the last 6yrs or so. It's mainly used for office work for my GF. I plan to do something like this video to repurpose it when I find something newer for her. Best part it was nearly free. I live in a tech sector, when the companies upgrade it just rains OptiPlex's and like office PC's...I got a Z640 workstation and 4 OptiPlex's in different conditions for $50, sold the Z640 for $120 during the pandemic when everyone wanted a gaming PC.
i've been running Emby on my media PC that runs Windows 10 with about 45TB or so for my movies/tv shows. I have a GTX 1060 6GB that does the transcoding.That's all it does. My main computer does the Handbrake legwork. Its a first Gen Ryzen 7 1700x with 32GB/RAM. I use a virtual machine to download my media and use Handbrake to convert some movies and ALL of my tv shows to save space on the drives. I used to convert movies but since you can download the x265 version of everything nowadays, i just download those and convert only what i need to. I will say this also... if you're converting a 1080p to a 720p (for most tv shows), there's NO noticable video loss in the file. Just throwin that out there...
Why not use ffmpeg instead of handbreak as you can do the same thing. Also when dealing with 4k Blu-Rays usually they are in HDR. so usually when I try to transcode they come out all desaturated as it doesn't do the HDR to SDR conversion correctly.
I’ve installed hundreds of those small form factor SFF PCs for clients over the years. I’ve also repurposed several and different types of servers. Solid hardware!
Thanks, I think I will try this. I have a lot of not so old used pc’s I need to find something to do with and this seems like a worthwhile project. Thanks.
I use the Dell 9020 for a pfsense box. Works very nice with 2 x 30GB Intel SSDs in raid. PS, sata SSDs fit firmly between the PSU and the case lip nicely.
I just started making a home server. My first big project like this. It’s extremely daunting. However, stuff like this fill me with that excitement that makes me want to do more. Plus, you’re almost convincing me to buy unraid lol. Love your stuff and looking forward to more in the future.
Try an HP EliteDesk 800 G3 SFF. It uses 6th or 7th gen CPUs, DDR4, and has room for TWO 3.5" drives as well as an NVMe SSD. The down side? Slim DVD drive. But an external box for your BD drive will cure that.
I've been ripping Blu-rays since 2015 & 4k Blu-rays since 2020 I convert them to mp4 with handbrake making sure that all audio tracks are added despite cutting the file size down to roughly 10% of the original file size (which is useful for copying to my tablet for long car journeys) I've used over 6tb this also because I rip & convert all the special features which I'm surprised how few people who rip disc do. I don't have it set up as a server since for my simulation would be pointless. I copy the files to a USB drive and then play them on my LG B9 OLED TV which play even h.265 files without issues even raw if needed. I know my set up is uncommon but works for me and it's a good way to have a backup are out of print discs.
I use a 4590T in my unraid server - obviously not a powerhouse but it does have QuickSync which, even for the vast majority of content today, it can transcode faster than real time in Plex (and presumably other media servers that support hardware transcoding). The whole system peaks at about 50w so it's not really an issue to run 24/7...I also run a flightradar node, a DVB-DVR, some web services, a self-hosted password manager and a few other Docker containers...pretty sick for something that doesn't use much more power than my ISP issued router.
💥 new stuff to watch, man i loved it. Earlier i had a laptop which had 2 hhd and omv in a usb drive it worked as a good Nas for 2 years. But a few weeks ago i got my hands on a dead pc from one of my relatives, the only problem is the motherboard which is dead but no worries i am working on it, watching this guide now has motivated me to start working on this project and the life to this old pc. That my story, i will watch your next upload So see you next time probably under 15 sec
Does jellyfin support iso video formats? I use vlc and kodi since both of them support iso video formats. All the 4k movies and blu ray movies that I ripped only in iso video formats? I prefer to use iso video format only that's why I rip every video in an iso format like ripping a cd uncompressed 16 bit 44.1 khz wav. I don't know if wav for 4k and blu ray for the video format exist since wav for audio is uncompressed. For my yamaha studio monitors connected to my 4k tv, I have the audio set to pcm with all the settings set to flat on my studio monitors because I want the audio to be as accurate as possible while my studio monitors are also connected to my schiit hel 2 dac amp and for my wired headphones, I use my sennheiser hd 600 being connected to the front of the schitt hel 2 dac amp at night when everyone is sleeping. I also have the topping d10s dac as an external dac connected to my tv so I know what the sample rate and audio format that is being played back with the built in led display. All the 4k rips include hdr and dolby atmos and all them include the menus before playing any of the movies.
VERBATIM 43888 is an external USBC drive that supports 4k/uhd Discs and has libre enabled by default. Thought mabey someone would appreciate the info 😅
I just went through the same guide to update the firmware on an older portable USB LG BluRay player to work with UltraHD discs and it works fantastically. Only problem now is I'm using OSMC on a really old pair of raspberry PI boxes that can't go beyond 30fps playback, and my rebuilt media server can't possibly handle the transcoding. I may experiment with buying a new Raspberry Pi IV which can do the decoding and and see how that goes...
There are some potentially good alternatives for transcoding that are a bit cheaper on the market. At least with the current pi market.i haven’t had a chance to fully test it recently, but the linkstar from seeed studio supposedly supports 4K h264, and there are also some cheap mini PCs with newer Intel mobile chips that should be able to transcode 4K with quick sync
why don't you try making a NAS/media server with an old laptop like a thinkpad t420 or an affordable generic laptop. even though its not as configurable, you have low power draw, battery backup, and it saves a lot of space. would be an interesting video
Tdarr may be worth looking into for automated encoding. It may also be able to leverage the nvenc encoder. More importantly, because you have multiple systems, you can leverage several nodes simultaneously. Automatic Ripping Machine as others have mentioned is also pretty much the epitome of automated work flow, save for support for gpu encoding.
Just a bios update and a xeon e3-1265l or 1245v2 already solved it, it has a lot of performance close to the tdp, which is not 80w, it stays at a maximum of 60w to 65w at maximum load, I use it on a computer and it works very well, my third xeon, in cinebench r23 I got about 500 points more than the e3-1270v1 (i7 2600). The 1245v2 has integrated graphics, which makes it a little easier, but you have to put a better cooler to not overheat, mine is around 40ºc stopped and using a maximum of about 52ºc.
I have an Optiplex 7010 with an I7 3770 and GTX 1050 ti. No problems streaming 4k video. A 2nd gen I5 just doesn't have enough power to run a server if you have multiple streams going.
sweet will try this soon i have an eligable Asus Blu-Ray however it is in an old pc used for retro games running XP/Vista and 7 with an old Xeon W3680 6c/12t and a GTX 960 i wonder how it will run.. i wonder if it is possible to do the heavy lifting on a gpu with nvenc
the Quadro K1200 can't handle h.265 transcoding but the nVidia T400/600/1000 can... one of those might be a good option. Also the P620 can too, I think. And you can use nVenc with HandBrake. Also VCE or QuickSync.
I did a similar thing but used a dell precision t5810 work station i bought on fb marketplace. I put a 10 core 20 thread xeon in it and a cheapo graphics card that didnt require external power. Currently have about 7tb of media live on the server. Its very time consuming with handbrake and i am only running it on win 10. I usually only rip in h.265 to keep file size down, havent had any issues thus far with transcoding. Im using plex instead of jellyfin though.
I have Optiplex 9020 micro. I replaced the original 128 GB SSD with 750 GB HDD (horrible for speed, great for capacity) and added one more external USB HDD. Runs just Windows and Plex server. Low power consumption, streams 4K video. No complaints at all.
Sorry for the silly question: did you transcode on the 6900 mini pc by grabbing the file over the network with something like smb? Or did you move it over with an external ssd or similar? Just interested in what is possible or easy
I've transcoded directly across a 1Gb LAN connection with a share on my server. It would have taken longer to "sneakernet" with an external drive; my transcoding computer doesn't even come close to maxing out the LAN bandwidth.
you can get a dvd drive to hdd and odd adapter. will alow you to install a laptop sized blueray player and a full size hdd. or you could shove a hdd to dual 2.5" drive for a total of 4 hdds
@@HardwareHaven also, I am compelled to point out that blue 3.5 in hard drive holder has 2.5in mount underneath. So can hold both a 2.5in HDD/SSD and 3.5 in HDD without having to buy anything.
@@abrambearth6890 Well shoot. Whaddaya know haha. Thanks for pointing that out! I still don't think I would've used the 250GB drive though haha. Thanks for the heads up!
What's the deal with using UHD bluray drives on AMD platforms? Is the lack of an SGX extension on the CPU going to be an issue or will the reflashing of the drive firmware take care of all that?
I use the same programs. I have an old pc I use for Plex. But what I do is use my my main computer for MakeMKV and Handbrake. I do this because my main computer is my strongest computer. And I usually will do 10-15 movies at a time. I can keep an eye out for strange encodings in certain movies and blurays.
i have TrueNAS set with Plex as my media server with an i5 4590mhz CPU. i want to change this set up though. i have two LG blu-ray’s and would prefer to have all of the ripping done there instead of my main PC.
I was just thinking about doing something like this with my old HP. Sadly it only has a AMD 3820 APU which I’m sure is worse than this. Plays DVD rips off TrueNAS fine but I doubt it could take HD BD rips.
I started my Unraid "career" with a Dell i5-4500, which has a little more power than your system. All my ripping is done on another computer (that has the LibreDrive enabled drive) and the subsequent transcoding for the server, though I will transcode the occasional "oversize" download on the server. I've seen some nice Unraid/Plex server setups with low power Atom/Celeron CPUs and an Nvidia A2000 GPU to do the heavy lifting.
Ha my file server is a 21 year old AMD (Sempron I think? Mobo is from 2002 anyhow) and it works just fine - It does get hot with 6 hard drives in there though - tons of fans everywhere. And early 2000s blue LED (case came that way, I didn't remove them).
Great video and your guide on ripping UHD Blu-Rays was great, but there are two ways you can improve this setup. Firstly I'd setup Tdarr for transcoding instead of Handbrake, Tdarr is much more suited towards automated transcoding and once you point it at your library you can very easily alter it however you want (transcoding, remove embedded subs, foreign language tracks etc.) and it's pretty much set and forget, Handbrake's watch folder needs a bit more manual intervention. Next I would suggest just spending a tiny bit more and getting a GPU which supports H.265 transcoding, you can get a Quadro P400 for less than $50. H.265 takes up significantly less space than H.264 at the same quality and allows you to really increase the size of your movie library on any given storage constraints.
What's the best method for just brute forcing my way through instead of using handbrake. I want to use a full fat mkv blu ray rip. I'll never be streaming to more than one tv at a time and almost always at native res.
@MolendinarI bought one on ebay for $27 2 weeks ago off ebay
@Molendinarif you are in the us you can get these for 15 to 30 dollars
Thanks for the videos. You mentioned near the top that you liked the form factor of these DT Optiplexes, "especially when lying flat". I had my 7010 SFF on its side for a couple of years before I realized the "DELL" logo on the bezel can be rotated 90 degrees. This is my primary work machine, maxed out with an I7-3770, 4x8 GB RAM, two Samsung EVO 1TB SATA SSDs (one in an optical drive bay adapter), and a 1 TB Inland NVME via a PCIe adapter. I'm driving two 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors from the I7's onboard graphics. I don't game or edit videos, just database conversions, software development, office tasks and web browsing. This little workhouse has been running nearly 24/7 for many, many years and has never let me down. I'm building a 12th gen Intel box now and will convert the "Little Dell that could" to a Linux server.
For what you are doing, you don't need a new machine, most of the new machines do the same stuff you are doing, at the same speed, if you are lucky...it seems like they've really tapered off in the way of speed increases until you get into high end productivity machines with multiple processors and such...but, like you, I just run what I have, and it works fine for my daily needs....those SFF Optiplex machines do pretty well...they were built for business, they were built to be upgraded/updated, rather than used a couple years and thrown away like so many of today's machines with everything onboard and not being able to upgrade RAM and sometimes even your storage drive isn't removable....what the heck LOL.
I've salvaged a lot of the Dell Optiplex machines in recent months, cleaned them up, installed an SSD, fresh windows installation, and have given them away to families with school aged kids that can't afford to buy that stuff. They're not the latest and greatest but they'll get the job done pretty well when all you are doing is school work, web browsing, and a few youtube videos.
@@wildbill23c while I agree Intel has stagnated in recent years, you can't really ignore the single-thread performance in 12th gen is a huge upgrade over 3rd gen. Since many workloads are still single-threaded, you care about single-thread performance. A 12700 will run circles around a 3770, and more efficiently. iGPU performance is even more noticeable when you jump 8 or 9 generations forward.
Since you have nvidia card, I think you could use ffmpeg and nvenc to transcode the blu-ray. Decode the video with the CPU, then resize and encode to h264 with the GPU. Audio can be easily copied without re-encoding. At the same time, delete unnecessary tracks.
The issue with GPU encoding (e.g NVENC) is that the filesize is larger, and quality is lower. Software X264/X265 takes longer but gives the best result. He could still use MakeMKV if he finds it easier, and use MKVToolNix to remove unwanted tracks (audio streams, subs, etc...) as well.
@@jarsky Quality concerns are really miniscule nowadays, high motion footage like video games still suffer, but movies are more than okay to just transcode with the gpu.
I was thinking the same thing. Kind of, anyway. I messed with tdarr a little, but couldn't get it figured out without spending more time on it than I wanted to. I just use an unmanic container (again, couldn't get it working the way that I wanted it to) and I have a couple of bash scripts that I wrote, to encode files that I drop into an imports folder, and then process them with the hevc nvenc encoder, using a GTX1650 GPU in the NAS. Average speed is about 18 to 20x (compared to about 2x for CPU encoding, although, the Intel QSV encoder was around 10x, so would still be a good option if you didn't have a dedicated GPU to lean on)
I know that I should just spend a little more time in tdarr, however, MOST of my old collection from pre Netflix days has now been imported, and transcoded, and more importantly, all renamed to have a consistent naming convention (I can't believe how little I used to care about filenames, and folder structures lmao, one of the reasons it's always fun to explore old HDD's)
ffmpeg is so much faster than handbrake for me. it doesn matter which preset I use or how custom I make it, a simple ffmpeg libx265 is at least twice as fast with the same CRF
@@raulgalets Perhaps this is due to the fact that ff means fast forward, and handbrake is a device for slowing down😁
It would be cool to see you do a video on the Automatic Ripping Machine (ARM) project. I don't think I've ever seen someone document setting it up and your videos are always so thorough! And I think you might enjoy all that sweet automation goodness
Yeah that could be interesting… seems like a lot of work though haha
he is apple,
you need old PC too ?
I agree, fully automating this process would be awesome. I know ARM gave me troubles in the past, but it’d be cool to see it take a 4K Blu-ray and rip/transcode/store for jellyfin all automatically
@@jonathanschober1032 me too! i even tried the docker containers but in the end it just 'never worked'.
I'm sure I've seen something like this in the Unraid plug-ins. A Docker container that uses MakeMKV, but I haven't tried it since I store my Blu-Rays as decrypted isos, not as an mkv.
Thank you for mentioning Jeff Geerling! He's one of my favorite content creators. He's also local to where I live. Dude goes to the same Microcenter as me lol. He has some amazing Raspberry pi and Kubernetes videos, plus he literally wrote the book on Ansible.
Jeff’s the best! He’s like half the reason I got into this space
@@HardwareHaven you AND Jeff are the reasons I have my home Lab. So thank you brotha!
I use a rehoused 790 motherboard in a full height ATX case. I'm using it to run Automation software for a Radio Station. The Rehousing was to support a full height video card, and to add more storage bays. Dell was still using a standard ATX Power Supply in this design. So i replaced it with a larger one.
10 years isn’t really that old for a computer anymore. Anything from 10 years ago is a reasonable up-to-date and modern computer as far as I’m concerned. Even some computers from 15 years ago with the faster variants of C2D and C2Q aren’t too shabby for basic tasks. Good to see a computer like this put to good use rather than be wasted. I’m actually surprised by the performance issues you had.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by “Basic tasks”?
@@FrannyFrank emails, basic word processing, light shopping or video watching, etc
Doncha know if it can't do 4k@900000000000000000000000000000000FPS it's a piece of shit that should be trashed? (SARCASM)
For many people a Thinkpad T420, or even a T410 can still handle their daily needs...although heavy compared to a brand new laptop...those old laptops and desktops will still do the job that many people actually use their computers for. Its when you get into heavy CPU/RAM usage needs like editing video, photos, ripping movies, etc. is when you really need the new hardware to support the new processes that some people are trying to do...although the old machine will handle it, it'll take way too long to get any meaningful use out of it for certain tasks. Most daily computing needs can be done on older machines for sure. I have a Thinkstation S20 for my desktop PC...still does all my daily computing needs....and the 10,000RPM 1TB hard drive can more easily keep up with tasks that many of today's drives can't due to their lower speeds...thinking of doing an SSD swap at some point though.
@Alexander Ratisbona A friend of mine has a PC I built for him out of stuff I had lying around, including a Core 2 Quad Q9650, slightly overclocked. He uses it to run DAW software to record his music and it works great for him. The machine is left on 24 hours a day, and it's been three years since I built it.
In Unraid it's generally better to make separate shares for Movies and TV Shows. While this isn't a big deal if you're only running a single array drive, it can cause issues if you add more drives to your array. One of the main advantages of Unraid is that you can basically add another drive whenever you want to or whenever you need more capacity in your array. Having your Movies and TV Shows on different shares allows you to change the split level of each share individually. For movies you should set Split Level to only split the top level directory, that way all the contents of each movie's folder stay on the same drive. For TV Shows you want to set it to split the top two levels of the directory, that allows you to keep each season on the same drive, but allows different seasons of a TV Show to be written to different drives. TV Shows can take a significant amount of array space and if you have it set to only split the top level directory, Unraid will try to put the entire TV Show on a single drive, even if it is out of space, per your split level settings for that share. Keeping the whole season on a single drive avoids long load times when watching multiple episodes but also helps avoid trying to write large TV Shows with multiple seasons all to one drive even when that drive is out of space.
For sure. I just didn’t think it was worth diving into split levels on this video, especially since this system is about to get stripped down anyway. Great explanation of it though, and I hope other people come across this! Wish I could pin it 👍🏻
@@HardwareHaven For sure, that makes sense. Love the video though, seeing another nerd like myself figuring things out as we go! I'm mostly self taught when it comes to tech, but have learned a lot setting up 3 servers now that I have running in my homelab. I've made a bunch of mistakes over the years and just want to help other people avoid the pitfalls and frustrations from the mistakes I've made! I have two separate Unraid servers running and one that runs Proxmox, tons to learn with both OS's. Keep up the content!
Nice! Love the attitude and sounds like an awesome setup!
Thank you for sharing 🙂
It’s 5AM and I’m just going to bed because I followed this guide earlier yesterday to flash my Blu-ray drive and started ripping 4K movies 😂😂 Huge thank you
Okay, that's too weird. At 3:57 There's a random image of my city (Calgary) for less than a second, and I'm just here to watch an old computer running 4K UHD discs! @Hardware Haven If you see this, please, can you tell me what this video of Calgary is? 😃
Because of the Optiplex 790 being stuck on Sandy Bridge, I used the Optiplex 7010 as my starting point for my build. Unfortunately I grabbed the SFF and not the DT form factor, with the disappointing laptop optical drive. Now that time has moved on, Haswell and newer generation desktops are getting cheap. I'll use this as inspiration to play around with unRAID though. Thanks for the awesome content!
Yeah, the lack of full 5.25” bay is a huge bummer… wish there were more newer prebuilts with one
I have an HP Envy desktop with a laptop DVD burner. It's so annoying how they designed the case to only support a slim drive!
There are slim UHD-capable drives available, as well as USB external ones.
with handbrake, try encoding to " H.264 (Nvidia NVEnc) " it should use some of the GPU power and cut down on render times
Makes the files massive though. I'd rather CPU encode
@@StephenDeTomasi Not true. Encoding is encoding - same settings on GPU and CPU should give you same file size. Its just faster using GPU .
It's 2023, get a computer that can hardware encode H265, not H264. Recent phones, streaming boxes, smart TVs, and computers can decode H265. The H265 files can be smaller and/or of better quality than H264. The new AV1 codec is being implemented right now in some devices.
Doing something similar but different with my Optiplex 9010. Using it as a Plex server with 3TB of SSD, i7-3770S CPU, RX 6500, and 16Gb of RAM. I may add a 6Tb HDD if I run out of space. Although it does have an optical drive, I'm doing all the ripping and transcoding with my 9th gen i9 computer with 28Tb of storage. Using MakeMKV and Handbrake. I don't have a lot of bluerays, but a couple hundred DVDs and adding more. I'm also ripping several hundred music CDs. It's taking a while. I have a Cisco UCS C240 M4 server with 120Tb laying around doing nothing, but it might be a little overkill.
“You wouldn’t download a home server.”
😂
Forget the server. Rip your movies to the biggest drive you can afford. Then get an external drive to copy them to, plug that into your TV's USB. Done, watch. Repeat with other movies with another drive.
Dude that BIOS splash screen intro is so creative.
I haven't ripped a DVD in over 10 years. It's interesting to see a lot of the same tools are being used but is seems like the process has gotten much more complicated.
Right!! And not to mention over 60GB for an uncompressed UHD. Assuming you have a back up server, thats 120GB for 1 movie. Insane
3:10 if you look closely, you'll see that the blue drive bracket in the top right of the picture, holds a 3.5" as well as a 2.5" drive so you don't need to buy a bracket if you're just using an SSD and a spinning SATA drive. The first SATA port on the motherboard supports 6GB/s SATA 3 for an SSD, but the second and third SATA ports only do 3GB/s, so don't expect miracles. For a real increase in speed, a PCIe adapter with an MVME stick would probably help (I think the motherboard can do PCI mode 3 but not mode 4). You probably also want a USB3 adapter but since there are no 5.25" style Molex connectors on the power supply, that will take some improvisation.
Watching your videos gave me the confidence I needed to finally go Unraid on my server desktop. Just waiting for all my files to land on the NAS and then gotta set up Plex and we’re home 🤗 also for the last week have been trying different configs. Huge thank you man 🎉
Unraid is a pretty decent home server/NAS system...I bought pro becuase I have 10+ drives at 6TB setup...
I've being using an old AMD PC @2010 for home movie storage, plug into router and it shows on five samrt TVs in our home, works really well and its tucked away out of sight.
I have the same PC. Mine came with a bracket that holds a 3.5" Drive on the top, and a 2.5" on the underside (Dell 0R494D J132D). I put a i7 2600, 16GB Crucial DDR3-1600, 480GB Kingston SSD, and the same LG BD-ROM/DVD-RW drive. I also added in a Low Profile Radeon R7 450 4GB GDDR5.
You have inspired me to not be as scared about the flashing of the bluray drive. I have been putting off that part for...a bit. Since my current unraid tower is a full size desktop, I can just slap that drive in and call it a day once I format it.
Have you tried using hardware encoding in Handbrake over the GPU. At least in my case I can reduce the encoding time significantly.
some hardware can't handle the encoding...I believe those processors do have h264 built in
Yeah right I just watched the video again. The GPU does not supported the h265 codec. But I think at least the encoding part to h264 could be accelerated by the GPU
I've taken a few years off of tech to pursue other hobbies, but having limited budget for hobbies lately videos like yours have had me very intrigued to start spending time on PCs again.
I should be picking up an optiplex 3060 SFF (i7-8700, 16GB RAM) for $100 this evening. Pretty stoked!
I still need to find a another for a router/firewall box. I wish the USFF/Micro had a PCI-E slot for a NIC.
Woah nice deal!! Enjoy it
@@HardwareHaven Pro-tip-
It's become an outdated marketplace these days but I find all the best deals on Craigslist. Project cars, Used furniture, old commercial PCs apparently too!
Thanks for the videos!
I would try and find a top-of-the-line core i7 of that generation that would definitely help with things some and probably maybe even give you much better transcoding encoding speed for the videos because I remember trying to encode a 60-plus GB 4K file movie and take it down to a much more reasonable size on a 2600 k core i7 before I upgraded to a 2700x and I remember it saying it would take around six hours and that's quite a long time but lot less than that 16 hours you showed
I have an Optiplex 990DT, also with a second gen i5. The local Microsoft TPR that sold it to me gave it Dell's stock/standard ATI AMD Radeon HD 6360. For arcade-emulation gaming and Final Fantasy XI Online, it's absolutely perfect. Dell Optiplex and Precision are the only desktops that I trust. In the passed, I've had ASUS and a few HP's. They were not as good as Dell. I have found that Optiplex and Precision have consistently come from the factory with the DVD drive set on territory 0. This is fantastic for people like me who hae have extensive library of territory 2 anime DVD's.
Since you're files are going across multiple devices and being transcoded, fileflows or tdarr could be good solutions for you. Both support hardware encoding and work with workers that you can install on your home pcs to help. The server distributes the tasks to all workers.
The final renaming and importing could be made easier with sonarr and radarr that are normally used for torrenting but have watch folders and manual imports. They get the series info from IMDb and help to keep track what you've ripped in which quality and what is missing in your collection.
I did something similar with a 4th gen Dell Optiplex mid tower. It's stock on the outside, but heavily modded on the inside. I drilled out the HDD cage to make room for a 1080ti hybrid, did the ATX PSU mod, and threw in a Magic Reform 4980hq that has the 128mb l4 eDRAM cache. It can be tweaked to near 4790k speeds while consuming about a third of the power
Storage is mounted in an adapter that I slung under the 5.25 bays. There's not a ton of room left, but it works. Emulates pretty much anything I throw at it, plays 4k movies fine. It's great little PC for when company is over
i love how you say the i5 2400 isnt a great fit for a home server because of the power draw
while my home server consumes about as much power, just with much lower performance...
A4 4000... piledriver/bulldozer/steamroller/excavator was a MESS
Does Handbrake convert the original HDR video to a lower bitrate and also keep the HDR? That's interesting, I use ffmpeg from cmd and use hardware acceleration and the best I can do is tonemap it. Also in jellyfin I believe, tonemapping is not available for CPU, only hardware transcode can, which is why in 10:43 the lionsgate logo looks weird. I'm wondering if you can utilize the minisforum ryzen PC as a jellyfin or as a handbrake transcoder (via network share, though the share speed is not that fast), however I don't know the hardware transcoding capability and quality of Ryzen APU. Overall great video showcasing the potential of these hardware and tools.
Someone probably said this somewhere below but jsyk that's not a dual NVME adaptor - I have have same exact card - it has one NVME drive that goes through PCIe as normal and one SATA drive which is POWERED by PCIE but then connects to the mobo with that SATA port on the back so that the M.2 SATA drive is then connected via an old school SATA port....hence the different keying and the NVME mentioned on one side and NGFF (next gen form factor for SATA) on the other
By using the jellyfin "native" client rathen than the web client, there's no need to transcode most of the time. Range of codecs supported by browsers is smaller than the app.
get a quadro a2000 card (or any newer quadros that support h265). also, get a proper storage, with like 20-40 TB space to store all those blurays in their untouched bitrate. it's worth it.
This isn’t my actual setup to be clear
I was able to set up Tdarr that automatically transcodes. You can set it up for FFMPEG or Handbrake. It will watch a folder and you can make it automatically transcode based on watched folders or whenever you tell it to do a new scan.
I owned an identical model about a year ago - beefed it up to 16 gigs ram and used it as a spare Hyper-V machine for odds and sodds until I sold it off to some who needed a better machine after a laptop breakdown. I'm at the same thought pattern as you with the limited processing fabrication. 2nd gen is quite old and struggles to keep with modern day computing demands.
Nvidia T400 is an alternative to the K2000, it will allow you to use HEVC encoding/decoding. I am currently using an old Dell rack server with 2 x E5-2667v2 CPUs, draws too much power, so I am in the midst of getting together a server (HP ML110 Gen9) that will use a single E5-2630L v3, paired with Nvidia T600 for transcoding requirements.
Sooooo... it's 2023 and the streaming options have fragmented so much that we're looking at building media servers as an option again 😅
I use a Chuwi Larkbox Pro Mini PC as my media center. Running on Windows 11. Hooked up to my library on an external hard drive. Considering transferring to an ssd for faster loading time. Perfect tiny setup if you ask me. I could use a "bigger" mini pc but I really wanted something ultra small and simple.
I have an OptiPlex 3040 micro. I tried to use it for UHD Blu-rays, but I ran into the same speed issue you found. If you want hardware decode for 10-bit H265, you need at least Kaby Lake (7th gen). I have 6th gen Skylake, and the dell bios won’t allow me to upgrade, even though it’s the same socket. But otherwise, it’s very small, quiet, and pretty efficient.
let the Nvidia driver do it !
One way to improve here is another method of offloading to various nodes on your network with tdarr. It can monitor your central library folder and replace files when new additions are detected.
6:18 @hardware Haven, have you tried using the motherboard for RAID through the BIOS? (fake raid?)
I don't know why but I clicked this video with a MJD vibe expectation and then I saw you and _where the hell I am bro_ I was certain this was from his channel, what a mind bug
Currently running a Amahi overlay on a Fedora 27 server on a custom water cooled ROG Rampage V Extreme, I7-6800K, 64G ram, 24Tb Raid 6 (4 x 12Tb NAS Drives) with a 2Tb M2 SSD boot. Running a Plex server for media. A bit overkill when you think about it but was having way to many hardware problems with this MB as my daily driver. Runs well as the server.
Hows the server going without ECC? Any issues transferring large capacity data sets?
All good, transferred over 6Tb in one run, no issues found.
@@colinsedgwick8938 Thank you
You should take a look at radarr/sonarr to automatically rename/manage and import your media files, this will save you time and it's easy to setup in unraid (or any other os)
I think I was under the impression that was only really for torrenting stuff. I guess I could be very wrong haha, thanks!
@@HardwareHaven It sure is usefull for that haha, but I believe it can also be used for a legitimate media library. For torrenting stuff, prowlarr is also used in addition to those services to automate the whole process.
Cool setup. I would just add as a tip, if your streaming device or smart TV has support for H.265 playback already built-in (most do these days), I'd disable hardware transcoding on the Optiplex and just stream everything with direct play. You'll eliminate the stuttering and you can keep your video files as H.265, which is much more efficient storage-wise and will save you a TON of space over time.
what do you use to rip bluerays as far as i know there wasnt a software that could like ive been using winxdvdripper platinum for DVD's and didnt know software for blurays
Something that would be interesting to see is if it would work as a good server if under clocked/volted while just acting as a server and going to default clocks when ripping drives. With how common these machines have become in the past few years its an easy entry but power consumption can be the real cost driver over time.
For the heck of it, you could swap the motherboard and processor in that Dell out to something a little more modern, like a Ryzen 5 3600 with a B450 or B550 board. The only issue you’ll have is getting the pinout for the power button, power LED, and HDD LED (I remember that being the only proprietary thing in that computer). The only thing you might need is a low-profile cooler, but I think a stock cooler like the wraith would fit.
I also talked myself out of a cache pool on my server. I've found that it can stream multiple 4K videos at once without bogging down the drives or the basic gigabit ethernet I'm using, and my ARC hits are already pretty high. On a basic home media server, it's pretty overkill. Though the adapter card would allow you to have more disk space in the small form factor.
I'm going to be doing a similar setup on a 790 I picked up about a week or two ago, just waiting to move around some network things so I can hook it up.
I was worried that the i5 might not be enough. I've seen a lot about these boards in the 790 accepting Xeons with the latest bios update even though dell doesn't say they are supported. there's a Xeon 1260L with a 45w tdp, and a few others with 80w tdp in that socket generation. they're super cheap so I am going to try it out and see whether the system will run with one. no Igpu but that's fine if you're running headless or are using one for transcoding anyways.
I have successfully run a 790 SFF with a Sandy Bridge Xeon E3-1270 (no iGPU), 32GB of RAM and a GTX 1650 LP.
Handbrake does support hardware encoding & decoding so if you upgraded the GPU you could use handbrake on the same computer to do transcoding.
I was running plex on a
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30GHz 3.30 GHz
8.00 GB (7.88 GB usable)
So a slightly newer CPU than what you mentioned, but I kept running into out of memory & CPU errors when my kids & I were all watching different shows.
I decided if I was going to build a new plex server (GPUs were going for triple MSRP at the time) I would make it a relatively high-end system.
I put in a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K with 128 GB of RAM. I used RAID 5 for my 4 drives, & boot off an M.2 drive with a DVD & Blu-ray drive in the system. Because the CPU includes a decent GPU it can hardware transcode h.264 & h.265 with no issues.
Most of the older processors don't have the encoders needed to encode, later model Intel chips (like 8th or later) do have H265 compression codex built in, otherwise they just chomp their way thru with regular processing..it is possible...but it's ALOT slower than using video card cuda cores :(
question, if I rip 4k UHD movies to a NAS pc with MKV- the pc nas will not perform any transcoding, simply hold the movie files - can I watch them without losing bitrate or UHD sound quality from a Nvidia Sheild Pro with PLEX on the Nvidia Shield PRO. ? Also does the NAS host pc have to have a good CPU and RAM to stream more than one 4k UHD movie at at time ?
I've got a few similar machines at home that make pretty good retro gaming PCs. I've also used them for ripping DVDs as the included optical drives tend to rip quicker than USB drives. However when it comes to converting - even with a gen 2 i7 it can take quite a few hours. Although it's fine to leave it going overnight and they'll be done when you get up.
These days I tend to lean towards x265 encodes for my collections because of the smaller file sizes. While the machines are fine for ripping and software encoding DVDs to x265, I'm not too sure whether they'll play them natively. I suppose using something like Kodi or Jellyfin player should work. I also tried encoding a 20GB Bluray and it was going to take about 3 days LOL. Personally for media centres I'd probably go a newer mini PC like those from Lenovo, HP and Dell (even though they don't have room for a DVD drive without the extension). 7 & 8th Gen tend to have x265 encoding.
Im in a similar situation with a hp 800 g2 6500 sff that I got. I love the form factor and it sits nicely in my living room.
Problem with it, is that its all proprietary hp components, so upgrading is a pain in the ass at best and impossible at worst.
I'm doing something very similar to this but my older office PC of choice is a Lenovo ThinkCentre M93P small form factor PC with the Intel Core i5-4590 (Quad core)
It has served me well and has a total of 8 USB ports on it for expandability 6 of which are super speed. This was $100. I think it is a good 1st setup for me to get started and begin learning.
I have the exact same optiplex also running a 2nd gen i5 which I converted to a home jellyfin and file/torrent server. I too, love the look of the optiplex lol.
There is an additional slot for a 2.5 inch drive at the bottom part of the stock HDD holder(light blue plastic part). I was able to mount a 2.5" Sata SSD as boot drive and 2 units of 2.5" 1TB HDD on a 3.5 to 2.5 converter mount as well as a 3.5" 3TB low power HDD in a 5.75" HDD hot swap caddy.
Total of 3x mechanical drive and 1x SSD. So far the PSU is able to keep running without any sudden shut down.
Nice! Yeah I totally missed the 2.5” mount on the caddy haha
A tip on handbrake, use an nvidia gpu (in my case a 2070) and it will do it in minutes with H.265 nvenc (or H.264 if prefered). I have not had the chance to use it but there are AMD versions of nvenc as well as intels quicksync and now av1 with intel gpus.
Yes, I always use my GPU for handbrake encoding. So much faster than CPU.
OptiPlex's are pretty solid. I have two of them in my house, one is a i5 2500, maxed out ram/SSD/GT630 2gb (triple monitors), is on 24/7 and hasn't skipped a beat in the last 6yrs or so. It's mainly used for office work for my GF. I plan to do something like this video to repurpose it when I find something newer for her. Best part it was nearly free. I live in a tech sector, when the companies upgrade it just rains OptiPlex's and like office PC's...I got a Z640 workstation and 4 OptiPlex's in different conditions for $50, sold the Z640 for $120 during the pandemic when everyone wanted a gaming PC.
Woohoo! Wasn't expecting the follow-up video so soon!
I’ve been an editing fiend recently haha
i've been running Emby on my media PC that runs Windows 10 with about 45TB or so for my movies/tv shows. I have a GTX 1060 6GB that does the transcoding.That's all it does. My main computer does the Handbrake legwork. Its a first Gen Ryzen 7 1700x with 32GB/RAM. I use a virtual machine to download my media and use Handbrake to convert some movies and ALL of my tv shows to save space on the drives. I used to convert movies but since you can download the x265 version of everything nowadays, i just download those and convert only what i need to. I will say this also... if you're converting a 1080p to a 720p (for most tv shows), there's NO noticable video loss in the file. Just throwin that out there...
Why not use ffmpeg instead of handbreak as you can do the same thing.
Also when dealing with 4k Blu-Rays usually they are in HDR. so usually when I try to transcode they come out all desaturated as it doesn't do the HDR to SDR conversion correctly.
Handbrake is a front end for ffmpeg.
I’ve installed hundreds of those small form factor SFF PCs for clients over the years. I’ve also repurposed several and different types of servers. Solid hardware!
Thanks, I think I will try this. I have a lot of not so old used pc’s I need to find something to do with and this seems like a worthwhile project. Thanks.
Good luck!
Is that a LG Dual Up Monitor in your background and what is with the small display under the main monitor ( Any kind of Stream Deck DIY Alternative)??
It’s just two 27” monitors on a dual arm, one turned 90°. The stream deck thing is what I’m covering on my next video actually!
@@HardwareHaven That's Great 👍
I use the Dell 9020 for a pfsense box. Works very nice with 2 x 30GB Intel SSDs in raid. PS, sata SSDs fit firmly between the PSU and the case lip nicely.
I just started making a home server. My first big project like this. It’s extremely daunting. However, stuff like this fill me with that excitement that makes me want to do more. Plus, you’re almost convincing me to buy unraid lol. Love your stuff and looking forward to more in the future.
You can do it! There's tons of other stuff on youtube to help you out. I started out a few years ago with literally zero knowledge of any of it haha
Try an HP EliteDesk 800 G3 SFF. It uses 6th or 7th gen CPUs, DDR4, and has room for TWO 3.5" drives as well as an NVMe SSD. The down side? Slim DVD drive. But an external box for your BD drive will cure that.
I've been ripping Blu-rays since 2015 & 4k Blu-rays since 2020 I convert them to mp4 with handbrake making sure that all audio tracks are added despite cutting the file size down to roughly 10% of the original file size (which is useful for copying to my tablet for long car journeys) I've used over 6tb this also because I rip & convert all the special features which I'm surprised how few people who rip disc do. I don't have it set up as a server since for my simulation would be pointless. I copy the files to a USB drive and then play them on my LG B9 OLED TV which play even h.265 files without issues even raw if needed. I know my set up is uncommon but works for me and it's a good way to have a backup are out of print discs.
I use a 4590T in my unraid server - obviously not a powerhouse but it does have QuickSync which, even for the vast majority of content today, it can transcode faster than real time in Plex (and presumably other media servers that support hardware transcoding). The whole system peaks at about 50w so it's not really an issue to run 24/7...I also run a flightradar node, a DVB-DVR, some web services, a self-hosted password manager and a few other Docker containers...pretty sick for something that doesn't use much more power than my ISP issued router.
💥 new stuff to watch, man i loved it. Earlier i had a laptop which had 2 hhd and omv in a usb drive it worked as a good Nas for 2 years. But a few weeks ago i got my hands on a dead pc from one of my relatives, the only problem is the motherboard which is dead but no worries i am working on it, watching this guide now has motivated me to start working on this project and the life to this old pc.
That my story, i will watch your next upload
So see you next time probably under 15 sec
Nice! Best of luck
Does jellyfin support iso video formats? I use vlc and kodi since both of them support iso video formats. All the 4k movies and blu ray movies that I ripped only in iso video formats? I prefer to use iso video format only that's why I rip every video in an iso format like ripping a cd uncompressed 16 bit 44.1 khz wav. I don't know if wav for 4k and blu ray for the video format exist since wav for audio is uncompressed. For my yamaha studio monitors connected to my 4k tv, I have the audio set to pcm with all the settings set to flat on my studio monitors because I want the audio to be as accurate as possible while my studio monitors are also connected to my schiit hel 2 dac amp and for my wired headphones, I use my sennheiser hd 600 being connected to the front of the schitt hel 2 dac amp at night when everyone is sleeping. I also have the topping d10s dac as an external dac connected to my tv so I know what the sample rate and audio format that is being played back with the built in led display. All the 4k rips include hdr and dolby atmos and all them include the menus before playing any of the movies.
VERBATIM 43888 is an external USBC drive that supports 4k/uhd Discs and has libre enabled by default. Thought mabey someone would appreciate the info 😅
I just went through the same guide to update the firmware on an older portable USB LG BluRay player to work with UltraHD discs and it works fantastically. Only problem now is I'm using OSMC on a really old pair of raspberry PI boxes that can't go beyond 30fps playback, and my rebuilt media server can't possibly handle the transcoding. I may experiment with buying a new Raspberry Pi IV which can do the decoding and and see how that goes...
There are some potentially good alternatives for transcoding that are a bit cheaper on the market. At least with the current pi market.i haven’t had a chance to fully test it recently, but the linkstar from seeed studio supposedly supports 4K h264, and there are also some cheap mini PCs with newer Intel mobile chips that should be able to transcode 4K with quick sync
why don't you try making a NAS/media server with an old laptop like a thinkpad t420 or an affordable generic laptop. even though its not as configurable, you have low power draw, battery backup, and it saves a lot of space. would be an interesting video
FYI, the newer versions of the SFF Optiplex come with an adapter for two 2.5 drives in the 3.5 tray.
Yeah I totally missed that haha
Tdarr may be worth looking into for automated encoding. It may also be able to leverage the nvenc encoder. More importantly, because you have multiple systems, you can leverage several nodes simultaneously.
Automatic Ripping Machine as others have mentioned is also pretty much the epitome of automated work flow, save for support for gpu encoding.
Yeah I definitely plan to look into that more when I get the time. Thanks!
Just a bios update and a xeon e3-1265l or 1245v2 already solved it, it has a lot of performance close to the tdp, which is not 80w, it stays at a maximum of 60w to 65w at maximum load, I use it on a computer and it works very well, my third xeon, in cinebench r23 I got about 500 points more than the e3-1270v1 (i7 2600). The 1245v2 has integrated graphics, which makes it a little easier, but you have to put a better cooler to not overheat, mine is around 40ºc stopped and using a maximum of about 52ºc.
Yeah, that would’ve been smart to look into. I think I even have some ivy bridge chips laying around… oh well
I have an Optiplex 7010 with an I7 3770 and GTX 1050 ti. No problems streaming 4k video. A 2nd gen I5 just doesn't have enough power to run a server if you have multiple streams going.
sweet will try this soon i have an eligable Asus Blu-Ray however it is in an old pc used for retro games running XP/Vista and 7 with an old Xeon W3680 6c/12t and a GTX 960 i wonder how it will run.. i wonder if it is possible to do the heavy lifting on a gpu with nvenc
the Quadro K1200 can't handle h.265 transcoding but the nVidia T400/600/1000 can... one of those might be a good option. Also the P620 can too, I think. And you can use nVenc with HandBrake. Also VCE or QuickSync.
Yes, no idea why I didn’t look for nvenc in handbrake
@@HardwareHaven I was going to say the same like the guy above 👍👍
Are tehse drives big enough for a sizeable Bluray collection?
hey do you know anywhere i can find older computers like these at a reasonable price?
Media PC vs BR player vs NAS using the TV as player. Difference in quality? Or just user convenience?
Kinda a wack question, you have any recommendations for matx case with drive space and 4 5.25 bays
Yay new Hardware Haven video
My old high school still uses those computers
I did a similar thing but used a dell precision t5810 work station i bought on fb marketplace. I put a 10 core 20 thread xeon in it and a cheapo graphics card that didnt require external power. Currently have about 7tb of media live on the server. Its very time consuming with handbrake and i am only running it on win 10. I usually only rip in h.265 to keep file size down, havent had any issues thus far with transcoding. Im using plex instead of jellyfin though.
I have Optiplex 9020 micro. I replaced the original 128 GB SSD with 750 GB HDD (horrible for speed, great for capacity) and added one more external USB HDD. Runs just Windows and Plex server. Low power consumption, streams 4K video. No complaints at all.
Sorry for the silly question: did you transcode on the 6900 mini pc by grabbing the file over the network with something like smb? Or did you move it over with an external ssd or similar? Just interested in what is possible or easy
I've transcoded directly across a 1Gb LAN connection with a share on my server. It would have taken longer to "sneakernet" with an external drive; my transcoding computer doesn't even come close to maxing out the LAN bandwidth.
@@JamieStuff Super cool! Thanks for dropping some wisdom 🙂
I know this is an older video but just found your channel. I Handbrake transcode with my Threadripper 2950x takes minutes instead of hours.
you can get a dvd drive to hdd and odd adapter. will alow you to install a laptop sized blueray player and a full size hdd. or you could shove a hdd to dual 2.5" drive for a total of 4 hdds
Lots of options for sure
@@HardwareHaven also, I am compelled to point out that blue 3.5 in hard drive holder has 2.5in mount underneath. So can hold both a 2.5in HDD/SSD and 3.5 in HDD without having to buy anything.
@@abrambearth6890 Well shoot. Whaddaya know haha. Thanks for pointing that out! I still don't think I would've used the 250GB drive though haha. Thanks for the heads up!
What's the deal with using UHD bluray drives on AMD platforms?
Is the lack of an SGX extension on the CPU going to be an issue or will the reflashing of the drive firmware take care of all that?
Bro, I'm attempting to do exactly what you're doing thankfully you've posted this video just in time because I ordered that exact blue ray drive.
This is exactly what I used an old optiplex I had laying around for too. Ripping and reencoding my media this box does a decent job at
I use the same programs. I have an old pc I use for Plex. But what I do is use my my main computer for MakeMKV and Handbrake. I do this because my main computer is my strongest computer. And I usually will do 10-15 movies at a time. I can keep an eye out for strange encodings in certain movies and blurays.
i have TrueNAS set with Plex as my media server with an i5 4590mhz CPU. i want to change this set up though. i have two LG blu-ray’s and would prefer to have all of the ripping done there instead of my main PC.
I was just thinking about doing something like this with my old HP. Sadly it only has a AMD 3820 APU which I’m sure is worse than this. Plays DVD rips off TrueNAS fine but I doubt it could take HD BD rips.
I started my Unraid "career" with a Dell i5-4500, which has a little more power than your system. All my ripping is done on another computer (that has the LibreDrive enabled drive) and the subsequent transcoding for the server, though I will transcode the occasional "oversize" download on the server.
I've seen some nice Unraid/Plex server setups with low power Atom/Celeron CPUs and an Nvidia A2000 GPU to do the heavy lifting.
Ha my file server is a 21 year old AMD (Sempron I think? Mobo is from 2002 anyhow) and it works just fine - It does get hot with 6 hard drives in there though - tons of fans everywhere. And early 2000s blue LED (case came that way, I didn't remove them).