Tommy "Shakur" Ross (Joker) on committing some horrible acts before shooting Mumbles from 60s (pt.7)
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- Tommy "Shakur" Ross (Joker) (pt. 7) from Florence & Normandie talks about growing up as an Eight Tray Gangster Crip during the early 1980s. Before he shot and killed Mumber (Standford Bursey) in 1985, the LAPD was investigating Ross for multiple sexual assaults against female teenagers when he was 18 and 19 years old.
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The brutal honesty of this man is actually 2nd handily traumatic …
Naw, bruh…that word salad about it doesn’t change a thing. Rape is rape 😤😤
@@Gberg1414 we know that nigga so what he told his story don’t start new age shit
This interview went left
Way left!!!
Right……I’m on my 2nd day of watching his videos n I didn’t see this coming
It wasn’t the grace of God that prevented other inmates from questioning him about those grapes he committed. it Was “favoritism“ and “selective politics“.
No because they also did it too, females from enemy hoods got done like that, the only who try to be on the high horse is the ones that haven’t but that went on in the 80s they did everything
Actually it was the grace and mercy of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
It was a little bit of both
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Hmnn…. Where was the Grace of God when his victims were being graped….?
@@nawfslim I keep seeing you make excuses for this behavior, now I’m convinced you participate in this creep behavior. I hope nobody keeps their children around you 🤷🏿♂️.
Damn. Joker has real balls to come out like this, this is stuff most people take to the grave but if it helps him clear is conciense it has to be commended. Joker by his own admition in so many words like the rest of his peers whether it be his homes from his set or rivals was a lost youth, lost in insecurity, trauma and a lack of self worth and self respect which may have culminated from getting abused at home, rejected by their biological father and having no positive male role model in their lives, being picked on and bullied in the neighborhood, being robbed and ambushed as a kid by other kids that were gangmemembers and having to fight everyday. Gangbanging was not only the perfect outlet for them as youth to prove to their peers that they were worthy to be looked at as solid and thorough, but it was about being around your peers and giving each other the validation and making each other feel less of a screw up. Just like all of the reputable OG gangbangers that came before him(Tookie, Raymond Washington etc), the ones that ran with him (Monster, Lil Monster Crazy D etc) and not forgetting his rivals at the time Mumbles RIP, Peddie Wack, Keita Rocc and Lil Fee, and the younger generations after him, i may not know some of their stories but hurt people hurt people, these guys weren't born to be the people they became, something happened within them as kids in the midst of all the adversities they faced growing at home and on the streets. Joker has lived one hell of a life, murder, rape robbery, assault all by the age of 19, i hope God grants him mercy and all the other OG crips, Pirus and Bloods dead or alive who who chose the wicked life of gangbanging as young boys growing up in South Central LA in the late 60s, 70s and 80s, God bless him and i hope he makes best of the time he has left on earth🙏
Righteous!
I guess this proves that brothers don't check paperwork, or are selective at the very least
Yes, it’s responsible for riots because the south siders wont be the same yard if they know there is trash on the yard even if there black
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Even in the 90s early 2000s this was common. Even with the chicano hoods gang rapes etc . When I was in high school older dudes would be picking up girls so a lot of stuff got swept under rug .
facts, this was prevalent during the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s. Probably not that common during that last 15 to 20 years.
What he's basically saying is people on the yard who didnt already know him didn't have the clout to request his paperwork. Lets say Big Monster Kody hits a yard who's gonna ask him to see his paperwork?
Asking for paperwork is not a west coast thing that’s back east and down south. Out west they not asking for paperwork in the pen…maybe the county but not the pen. People know if you’re bad business or good when you get there
@@Theycallmekenney asking for paperwork is deafitly a West Coast thing,BGF,kumi,cco, bloodline,ubn all ask for papperwork that's facts
@@nellybo800 Joker wasn’t under no paper work as far as prison gangs. He wasn’t BGF, CCO, Blue note and he ain’t a blood so UBN and bloodline don’t matter. He wasn’t cut.
@@Theycallmekenneyit is most DEFINITELY a west coast thing ESPECIALLY LA.. paperwork is a must in these neighborhoods ,some ignore it and some handle it
@@JJ1timeX y’all been on RUclips watching 1090 Jake and all those clubhouse conversations.
One thing I notice about all of these videos that are shot outside, the person doing the video is always on high alert of everything going on around them! Every passing car and everyone walking by! Understandable, but an extremely nerve wrecking way of having to live!!
Well that goes for anyone with any kind of sense this America you can get kidnapped for your organs
Well, he was part of a notorious gang, put in a lot of work and murdered a Ghetto Star
u get use to it after a while just sleep less and your antennas always stay up
@@mceithdavis3462 I feel you,but damn I'm 56 and I know I try my best to be in a relaxed state of mind.i can't imagine getting up into my glory days (50 & up) and have 2 be on my toes like that.cant relax your mind or body! But I get it.its what you signed up for.
hey these days you can be chilling and trouble comes to you better too see it coming then get a horrible surprise em 51 when i leave out the door i want to make it back too the door
Therapy session in full effect
This been a hell of interview
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This is a lot to unpack 😮
This is a lot….so Joker was a serial rapist before he killed mumbles???? And he said he was committing these crimes against women with some of his homies from 83????? it says a lot about that hood…
Isn’t the first time I’ve heard about well known gang members being rapist or committing rape.
It's part of the public record so I had to ask about it.
@@AlexAlonso101 did he continue this behavior in prison? Or is this a question you ask in a later interview?
It's called radical ownership, a concept unfamiliar to you. I take full responsibility for the harm I caused in the community. Remember this: "Hurt people hurt people, and healed people heal people. " Try that on for size...
@@TommyShakurRossdo you still talk to Kershaun
@@TommyShakurRoss radical ownership is not unfamiliar to me it’s just another way of saying you’re being accountable for what you’ve done. I’m just shocked that you were allowed to commit those types of violations on women knowing how militaristic the 83s were back then.
Even Batman couldn’t get this information out of me
it's part of the public record, so why not just talk about it and get it all out rather an internet sleuth thinking he exposing something?
Why hasn't his GANG (8-TREY) DP'd, or 🚬 him for RAPE🤔🤔🤔
At least he admitted it.. a lot of Ogs don’t want to admit that type of shit was going on back in the days they sweep it under the rug joker was straight up
He should not be out. That's California for you.
This is a great interview for me because the monster kody book! It brings another story from a story that I love! Hopefully, u do a book bringing this same energy to this cursed lifestyle that we loved....because it impacted me all the way here in MINNESOTA....SHOTGUN
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The fact that gangs supposedly stand on moral and principle ,they assault snitches and chomos etc but he can hold the title of OG as a rapist? Pitiful
Nigga alot of them did that to females he’s just admitting it, and to be honest when it’s war ain’t no tellin what’s gonna happen, it’s Warriors from the past who’s done that shit it’s always been apart of that. Anybody that’s a threat to they lil homies like a chomo or snitch or a booty bandit they of course gotta go
I am neither an OG or rapist! By past behavior, does not define me. Those were horrible acts and I feel fucked up for what I done. But I am not my crimes bruh.
American settlers during the 1700s and 1800s did the same thing during the expansion of the country,
@@eustisjune7300 Yall make jokes about the dudes that preyed on they own homies and took advantage of them and say buster shit tryna use those situations as a deterrent for gangs but you tryna shame joker is crazy
@@AlexAlonso101So that justifies it? Dumbass response, yall some weirdos.
He a Freaky Jason ain’t no way around that
I am not my crimes.
@@TommyShakurRossactually you are your crimes.
his name not Jason homie relax
You don't know me, bruh!@@mauraece
@@TommyShakurRoss killin mumbles was one thing. But Gotdamn yall was raping sisters too? U guys are the reason these kids today don’t care about anything. Th
Dats deep. No judgment bcuz it’s millions of us that dnt speak on these inner demons that challenge us everyday. Realism!
No judgment?
Great Content Respect to The Brother For Telling His Truth and Clearing His Consciousness and Teach Brother Teach Great Content
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It’s a tragic that he lived to see this age.
Back at you.
Smh
On the keke loco album some 76 eastcoast said they "love Rn Bs"
Until his female family members get the same issue
Keep positive joker your story will help others.
he already has - thanks for watching
@@AlexAlonso101 I'm from NY n experienced this gang gang thang when I was in Utah Job corp in 1980 lol .... NY n LA would go at it .... We'd be intrigued by the perms n curls n the way y'all would be dancing while throwing up hand signs listening to Lakeside Shalamar etc y'all be looking at us listening to cassette tapes playing Rap n out style of dress as we sported ceasers with waves n rocked du rags lol. Anyhow Salute to tha West. Peace 🙏
Wow 😲 😲😲😲 crazy life...glad I went to the Navy I'm from there and definitely know what's up
Admit to rape?that's crazy
It was already public record
It's called radical ownership. I take full responsibility for the harm I caused within the community. Today, my objective is to heal the community.
@@TommyShakurRoss only God can judge. ...I respect the growth .
@@TommyShakurRossdid Lil monster commit any of these acts with you?
So you’re pretty much saying you’d lie about it? Gotcha
He ain’t the only gang member that rapped women but 4?
Could you feel sorry for what happened to his mom? Sounds about even but he kept it 100
Joker we want that book
He's a rapist scumbag.
No matter what, someone else should not suffer for your actions..
I seen a interview where a Crip said that’s one of the things they do too, and then it’s others that act like it’s not
Naw cuz kick rocks with all that. Moms off limits.
Yes you could feel sorry for what happened to his mom. She was not responsible for his actions and didn’t deserve what happened to her
No way I would have went back to LA!
PASADENA ON DA ✔️
RESPECT AND ENJOYED THE INTERVIEW OVERALL! JOKER IS A BLESSED MAN AND GOT ANOTHER CHANCE👏🏿👌🏿
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Salute big joker for making a big transition in his life after going through so much average mf couldn't go through what he went through
thanks for watching
He must’ve put in a lot of work.. he’s still alive
Yes very high ranking member of 83 Gangsters he killed mumbles from 60s peddie wacc killed his family for it
This is who I was back in the day, it is not who I am now.
@@TommyShakurRossNo excuses, there’s no redemption for grape.
@@TommyShakurRoss ....I'm sorry, but this is very disappointing. Never did I imagine that Tommy Shakur was convicted of rape. That is unforgivable. He was a grown man at age 18. He knew the difference right and wrong. When you rape a women, you destroy her soul. She has to live with what you did for the rest of her life. Alex, you have no business making excuses for Tommy. As a journalist you are supposed to keep your personal opinions to yourself. It's wrong that Tommy lost his family and that is very tragic. But his crimes against women should never be forgotten nor forgiven. Let me ask you a question, Tommy. Since you want people to forgive you for what you did, have you forgiven the people convicted of taking the lives of your mother and young brother? Have you forgiven those who have gotten away with that terrible crime? What would you say to them today?
@@mauraeceYou ain't god I'm sure you got skeletons in ya closet too
I can barely hear you bro I know you have the right equipment. I respect your platform bruh just saying
Shout out to Donald Sweetback Archie. Hopefully he does some new interviews
Believe it or not a lot of your “OG’s” and a lot of youngsters back then in late 80’s 90’s had the same type of behavior and a lot of them guys screaming pedo’s they were the same people that were picking up teenage girls from jr high. I remember seeing this when I was in jr high it’s crazy
I swear to God! So many So called Ogs was raping young homies and little girls it’s crazy! Thats why I haaaaate the old niggas that talk down on the babies today as if them niggas back then was sicker! fuk this dude and fk monster kody who was also a rapist
Wow. Honesty. Facts
Just like Eldridge Cleaver.
Making up excuses for his rapes
he is a scumbag pedo
It's called radical ownership. I take total responsibility for the harm I caused others in my community.
When did he make an excuse??? Please detail him detailing an EXCUSE??
Watch the video again
@@faraz4692 I don’t need to lol you watch it
See reading the book Monster puts it this all in perspective there environment produced them and made them the violent kids and teenagers they were Monster’s older homies gave him a shotgun at 13 and told him to kill when monster got older he did the same thing to the younger guys from his neighborhood 😢😢 sad upbringing‼️💯💯
Exactly it’s all wrapped in together, but niggas try to sit on a high horse when it’s really anything goes
A eye for a eye only gets the involved half blind. Glad he is doing good and listening to his God. I also read about the incident with the sister being kidnapped in the book do or die. Leon Bing interviews a relative.
Nobody talks about out it.. but the majority of those who gangbang have similar stories.. that city life is rough… better of staying in the south fighting racism it seems
Nah they still hunting hanging and killing Blacks in them sundown towns. In fact some of those southern towns have welcome signs that read " n word if you not from this town be out by sundown". Some years ago a Black vet got into it with two yt boys and the white boys shot the brotha tied him to a pickup truck and drug his body until his remains were embedded with the road gravel. That was in Texas ✌🏿 We just need to unify ✊🏿✌🏿
That's crazy when you think about it. Dealing with racism is easier than dealing with gang banging. Sheesh.
Crazy how when I moved to the south I experienced absolutely no racism 😂😂😂😂
Woah 🤯
What hood is he from they should of handled that
Wasn’t nothin to handle
8trey. But my homies from 8trey always told me monster Kody and other niggas from they hood that had names was mostly booty bandits sooooooooo
Of course rape is wrong, and of course wat happened to his mother and brother was wrong, im sure the people who are responsible for wat happened to his mother and brother could tell a story about there trauma and wat caused them to do that(not saying it was right, because it wasn't, i hate that innocent people had to be victims to this bullshit we call gangbangin), im just saying im sure they have a story too, and they may have loved there homeboy mumbles like a brother, alot of us come from broken homes, where are childhood friends become closer to us than some of our family. But really ALL OF THIS SHIT IS BULLSHIT!!! GANGBANGIN IS NOT A LIFESTYLE, IT IS BULLSHIT. IT IS A DEATH STYLE!!! There is too many examples that show you gangbangin ain't the way. But we gotta start reaching these kids and offering them something else, and most importantly teach them love, and teach them that they can contribute more to this world than this type of demonic behavior. And salute to all the brothers and sisters who are doing that. My most sincere condolences go out to Joker's entire family and loved ones and my condolences go out to mumbles family and loved ones as well. I pray 🙏 he is in a better place in his life and he continues to use his story to help create change for the better. And my condolences go to anyone who has lost family to this senseless gang related violence.
8:53 That sounds like OG Cutes coming into the scene announcing OG Donald (Sweetback) Archie. Anybody know for sure? Zo?
Regardless of the reason he’s gonna always have to live with the fact his momma and brother are dead because of him
Ight we get it nigga now what
No, they're dead cause dudes did goofy shit! He didn't bother anyone's family, so his shouldn't have been bothered either..
@@dontaerussell3397he raped women tf u talkin about he didn’t do nun to nobody family clown
I respect this man. 💯
wooow went too for for me
@7:00 Gem
He lying 8:06 same why people find out you a rat on a chomo they can find out your charges. They don’t even have to ask you directly the prison guards know. He lyin.
When you have a serious reputation you’re less likely to be questioned.
@@onetwo6003 that’s bullshit
@@youaresoyou1072Quite a few BGF, Eme, AB and NFs and associates have or had bad charges.
Especially when you go back from the 60s-80s. Many never got hit either.
I don't gotta lie to you or anybody else! Were you there? I did my time on the mainline all up and down California from Palican Bay to Calipatria.
@@TommyShakurRoss did you know rusty from 83?
No excuses for them crimes. Blood needs to be handled
Bro su you doin too much, tryna look like a super hero dude telling his story. If you can’t listen and shit then you need to get handled
Facts
@@1punchusleep628 he ain’t ask for no excuse goofy
@@1punchusleep628 but it’s a excuse to kill somebody though that’s excusable that’s the crazy part
@@nawfslim the only goofball is you champ. He victimized not just women, but 16-17yr old girls. His excuse for it was because the other side did it to his side. You need the same treatment for trying to defend blood
Sweet back stay on patrol, ain’t nothing happening he don’t know about
LOL
Damn
What he did was def not cool BUT, this was a WHOLE different era. Gangs in the late 70's and 80's here in LA were different it was a more physical, brutal one due to the fact that gun play wasn't really in the picture yet. Like you for real knew your enemy because you'd squabble, not shoot each other from a moving car or from down the street. People today get upset over rape stories and booty bandit stories but that shit was REAL heavy back then. This of course is only my opinion from what I remember.
Lil Laniak form Denver Lanes has the same charges but they got dismissed so yea it was done
@@nawfslim damn where did you hear that about Lil Laniak from ?
This dude a lame
He was down for mumbles killing thats all they needed to know
name the names fool, they drew first blood.
Allah (God) forgives-you can’t expect the same from the world. Not disregarding the trauma you experienced being molested, however, millions of people share your experiences and they don’t choose to be a sexual predator and murderer. That part.
True
I didn't know how to cope with life stressor back then and violence was a maladaptive way of coping.
God bless big peedie wacc lol😂 joker knows him lol
knows him really well,free pediwack,wacked his momma for birthing this rapest
Peddle Wack Got the Fuck Beat out Of Him By Lil Homey Tell your Truth Cuzz
Peedie Wacc was the hand of God teaching this devil a lesson.
@@EugeneRobinson-u9fI heard it was Stagalee then Big Vamp
Mmmmmmmm
Damn LA is Crazy, Trying to Justify Taking P.... Is Fool🤷🤷. I Wish Them 60's would have Found His Ass instead of the family
They was rape women too…. It was more normal than u think. Them old niggas was sicker than the youth today
Believe it or not the young dudes in the hood today wouldn’t go for this type shyt like the dudes did back in the day but they’ll have u thinkin the opposite…. It was a nigga in my hood that had a rape jacket and all the youngsters rolled em up..
He ain’t the only gang member that rapped women but 4?
Could you feel sorry for what happened to his mom? Sounds about even but he kept it 100
Joker we want that book
That’s not even nigga those females ain’t dead, this was about mumbles and that’s it, and even though it’s war they don’t touch each others mamas and shit it just happened. So yea it’s sad