malgus is badass, but if we’re talking novels/comics vader he’s destroying malgus, this man tore open a rift in reality with his bare hands, he lifted the veil between the living and the dead, he survived an orbital bombardment, he’s pretty much done everything and people always seem to think vader is extremely vulnerable to force lightning, that’s not entirely true first off he’s been struck with it multiple times, but he can still fight on despite his suit being damaged for a decent while, palpatine’s lightning affects him so much bc he’s been stated and proven to have the most potent force lightning of all the sith (aside from the brother, but he’s not exactly a sith) second, it’s actually fairly easy to block force lightning, all you need is a lightsaber tbh, not to mention vader mastered the same technique yoda used to redirect force lightning, so really he’s not as vulnerable as people think he is
He’s actually called The Son and not The Brother, and the ability you are talking about is called Tutaminis. It’s not known if Vader was a Yoda level Tutaminis practitioner, but he does have skill with it. You’re spot on about the difference in Darth Sidious’ Lightning and the Lightning used by anyone else, because as we have seen it took Galen Marek’s more powerful clone to amp his Lightning by a huge magnitude to actually stop Vader in the TFU 2 game
Malgus honestly would have been the perfect master for Vader. I truly think he would have pushed to help Vader reach his full potential, and the two would truly remake the galaxy. Unlike Sidious who only saw Vader as a tool. I also think that Vader wouldn't be inclined to betray Malgus, as the two would have an understanding of each other due to their similar situations and mindsets.
@@mr.cookiecutter he was the perfect blend of natural raw power in the force, sheer charisma, intelligence, not being willing to follow rules that previous Sith had, and disregarding the rule of two because he was so opportunistic that he wanted himself to rule forever rather than being taken over by his apprentice like previous Sith.
@Billion Headz Doesn't mean He's better then Vader. Vader will always best Malgus. Old Republic fan made Comics are just stupid asf. I could make a much official powerful character then Fp Anakin and luke combined. Old Republic characters are wack cause of how powerful they are shown in almost every single sith. This is why the new sith and jedi are better cause they have there strength and weaknesses. Not just OP. It's more realistic
If Malgus isnt pure evil then vader is an angel compared to him. By the way in ROTS after the assassination of the separatist leaders Ankin-Vader was standing on the platform and shading tears, cuz he was sorry for turning to the dark side, deep inside he never wanted to go that way, and he hated himself after turning into Vader we know.
Vader could just block it with his lightsaber. I don’t think it’ll be an easy block though. Malgus is a quick fighter. I somehow see Vader coming out victorious in the end, but barely.
@@INTJ10551 vader cant use lightning at the risk of him getting himself killed so he cant block with lightning and cant tank lightning from others he has to dodge
Vader most likely wouldn't use his lightsaber because the after effects of hitting lightsaber which was electrified by force lightning is a repulse of lightning, electrocuting both Malgus and himself. Instead he'd most likely exhibit the tactic of force deflect, deflecting the lightning with the whim of his hand forth.
@@carlactus5870 he has tutiminis for blaster bolts but he never learned to catch force lightning and im not so sure he could since he didn't have organic tissue for limbs anmlymore so they'd just conduct it
I agree, they are very even, but ultimately, Sith are truly free in the Old Republic while the restraint and secretive nature of the Imperial Sith were a weakness which might give Malgus an advantage. Edit: You guys needa take a chill pill in the comments section. I never even argued that Malgus would definitively win. All I argued was that Vader’s identity as a Sith Lord was hidden, not that he himself was hidden. Still prolly a 50/50 split for me tho
@@force_user Bro why do you take so many L's? Strength:Vader via force enhance and being above maul who could tear apart blast doors Durability:Tanked starkiller force lighting for a while, starkiller force lighting could rip in two a star destroyer by powering the reactors with his lighting Speed:C'mon....vader jumped over a blaster after it was shot at less than one meter than him(Blasters are FTL) Iq:Vader...is obvious Battle iq:Obviously vader Force power:Vader>>>anakin>>>>rots sidious who could shake stars... Force knowledge:Vader, he studied darth bane's knowledge that had almost infinite knowledge about the dark side Hax:Vader has sub-atomic manipulation, evaporization, Kinetite(variant of force lighting) Stamina:Vader duh.... Endurance:Vader literally was burned to almost death after being cut down by obi wan, i would like to see darth malgus taking that Reaction speed:Scales above anakin, obi wan and mace windu who can react to hyperspace i have scans for all of that
Sidious nerfed the hell out of Vader so much that he's extremely vulnerable to force lightning, that and he doesn't have a proper functioning respiratory system, Malgus could wear him down with his aggression, speed, and force techniques.
@@j-dawg4774 Yes because Luke is known to be super weak in the force. He was so weak that he just became the strongest force wielder ever. Also from the scene, I would say it's kinda of obvious that Palpatine was torturing him.
@@martinsoukup562 But he lets out the "full force of his lightning" when he gets hoisted into the air. Also Sidious had full intentions of ending Luke's life right there, Luke being one of the best force users had nothing to do with his durability. It's clearly stated that Vader's suit was intended to be weaker to force lightning by Sidious.
Battle IQ would go to malgus, the dude was arguably the best battlefield commander of the whole war and led some of the empires best campaigns to victory, and saw more combat and battles than anakin and vader combined, I mean, the dude was a commander in a 30 year war, anakin was a general for 3
I would have to disagree with that statement because of the fact that Anakin was born in slavery purely of the force itself making him more of akin to a force entity than even a Sith Lord meaning with all of his innate Talent as well as battle Ackerman being trained from the Jedi Temple at a very young age and spent his entire life at War he could definitely give Malgus a run for his money if not outright kill him in Rage because he still has revenge to live for he still hasn't finished off his master Obi-Wan Kenobi which means he would have unfinished business which would push him to Victory he would not let Malgus kill him under any circumstances
@@darksword67malgus is a better duelist than vader, but vader is force user the malgus but malgus would win do to his experience of fighting alone and leading his army and he would definitely cheat to beat vader 😂
I guess you must’ve forgotten the additional 23 years that Vader spent as second in command of an entire empire during a galactic civil war, huh dummy?
This might be the most accurate Malgus vs Vader RUclips short out there. It would honestly be very close, but Malgus has the edge because he has no restraints, unlike Vader.
Malgus isn't limited like Vader. I'm not just talking about his cybernetics, I'm talking about his emotional limitations. In the early days of the sith empire, Malgus was limited by his emotional connection to his love interest. He knew that his lover was his weakness and that if he was to truly become a Sith and a conqueror he would need to "Break his chains" or his limitations. This would mean killing his lover. After killing the woman he loved he gained a level of focus that Vader could never conjure. Vader was always attached to Padme, he could never separate his old life from his current one. In some parts of Vaders mind, Anakin lived on. This is why Malgus will almost always beat Vader, he has complete control over the darkside. Whereas Vader is being controlled by the Darkside.
Well said and is pretty much my reasoning as to why malgus would win. They're the same in so many ways thousands of yrs apart but the difference was their approach. Malgus embraced her death and devoted himself the dark side and the sith, whereas vader hated himself and devoted himself to his own pain which did make him powerful but capped his overall potential as a sith massively
Let's fix this Darth Vader (Legends) Vs Darth Malgus (Legends) Strength-Vader (his strength is stated to be over Low-Outversal, can lift around 20 tons without the Force, with the Force he once threw a literal Moon) Speed-Malgus (Altough Vader moves at light speed with Force speed he is still somewhat hindered) Durability-Vader (his durability is stated to be over Low-Outversal fell from a nearby Moon to planet Jekara and survived with no injuries, survived not being desintegrated also unharmed, survived a blast equivalent to Death Star Superlaser that can destroy multiple planets) Agility-Malgus Stamina-both Endurance-both Iq-Vader Intelligence-Vader Knowledge-Vader Force Knowledge-Vader Sith Alchemy-Vader (Sidious tought him) Training-Vader Biq-Vader (Clone General and Sith Lord) Experiance-Malgus Battle Exp-both Skill-Vader (proficient in killing Jedi, fought 8 of them at once) Weapon-Vader (his Lightsaber burns 6 times hotter than the Sun while the normal one burns 4 times hotter, also Vader modified his Lightsaber so he can adjust the length of the blade) Defense-Malgus (From what I have seen Malgus tends to use defense a bit more than Vader) Offense-Vader (He was the best Master of Form V to ever exist) Dueling-Vader (Mastered all forms, created his own, it was still a Form V but with some upgrades from every other form) Lightsaber form-Vader (same explaination) Combat-both (combine Force Power with their dueling skills) Combat speed-Malgus Reaction speed-Vader (380 mach, dodged a blaster from an X-Wing) Force Power-Darth Vader (The Chosen One, has the most midichlorians, 27000 per cell) Force abilities-Both (they both have so many abilities, altough Malgus has Maelstrom and Force Lightening, Vader has Focused Rage and Force Schockwave, basically same level) AP-Vader DC-Vader (more power equals more destructive capability, especially with those abilities) Hax-Vader (Obviously) Versatility-Malgus Feats-Vader (Killed an Ender, destroyed the Jedi Order, killed billions of living beings including hundreds of Jedi, became the most feared and the most powerful Sith Lord to exist ever, surpassed Sidious) Darth Vader wins mid difficulty, Darth Vader has the advantages over Revan, Nihilus, Sidious, Vitiate and other Sith who can beat Malgus, it was even said that Vader scales higher than any other Sith Darth Vader>Darth Sidious>Darth Vitiate>Darth Revan>Darth Nihilus (almost useless without Force drain)...
I agree with every single thing you say except putting Vader above Sidious. That’s not happening in any possibility unless it is Full Potential Vader (FP before Mustafar injuries)
Malgus wins mid-high diff Speed: His speed was such that a normal human found it difficult to watch his movement in his duels. Dueling: Defeated many strong jedi and sith using only his lightsaber. (Example: He defeated the jedi master Ven Zallow in a short but ferocious duel. Zallow was often regarded as one of the greatest duelist's in the entire jedi order of his time. Feats: Sacked the jedi temple with brute strength alone. Jedi grand master Satele Shan stated that Malgus was the most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she had ever experienced. Malgus was one of darth Sidious greatest idols. Force: Dark rage is a power that allows a force user to increase his strength, speed, recilliency and resolve. Force protection is a passive (and sometimes active) enhancement of a force sensetive's durability to varying superhuman degrees. Force speed is a passive (and sometimes active enhancement of a force sensetive's speed to varying superhuman degrees
it was staed that new sith are stronger than old sith even TPM Maul is stated above and it is also stated that siths are getting stronger by each generation in Canon and EU plus vader has way better feats who already put him above Malgus
@@The-Allfather-Odin"Speed: His speed was such that a normal human found it difficult to watch his movement in his duels." That's literally nothing unexpected. It's super common for many main characters. "Dueling: Defeated many strong jedi and sith using only his lightsaber. (Example: He defeated the jedi master Ven Zallow in a short but ferocious duel. Zallow was often regarded as one of the greatest duelist's in the entire jedi order of his time." Oh, too bad Vader doesn't have any feats regarding defeating Jedi. Oh, wait! "Feats: Sacked the jedi temple with brute strength alone. Jedi grand master Satele Shan stated that Malgus was the most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she had ever experienced. Malgus was one of darth Sidious greatest idols." Source? "Force: Dark rage is a power that allows a force user to increase his strength, speed, recilliency and resolve. Force protection is a passive (and sometimes active) enhancement of a force sensetive's durability to varying superhuman degrees. Force speed is a passive (and sometimes active enhancement of a force sensetive's speed to varying superhuman degrees" Passive lmao. Also again super common.
@@martinsoukup562 Sidious is not the most powerful Sith ever he got freaking yeeted off the reactor shaft how is he the most powerful ever lmao the old sith would laugh at him ngl
I think if they fought, they would both definitely die, but Malgus has better augments and such. Though, since this Legends Vader has gone up against several high ranking Jedi Masters. Though, I think Malgus going toe to toe with Shan is also remarkable. Though, Malgus is an amazing strategist due to the fact he switches sides several times. Malgus was also able to strategize with the Mandalorians to destroy Coruscant and wipe out a good chunk of the many Jedi back then.
" Amazing Strategist ", because he switched sides how much?.. A ton. That means nothing. Now then you're saying that Malgus from the Old Republic has better augments that the future Galactic Empire and Vader?.. Kinda flawed but okay. And once again Vader simply executed the whole entire JEDI ORDER... with a few platoons of 501st, himself without planning it. Once more he was taking ROWS.. and ROWS of jedi by himself.
@@drsizla1946 Malgus was no where near as limited as Vader was in terms of augmentation. While no one can definitively prove the quality of the cybernetics, I think we can all agree that Malgus has better mobility and control over his own body than Vader. And, "A few platoons"? He had the entirety of the 501st Legion, not to mention the Coruscant Guard and the defense corps on world. Sure, doesn't look like a lot when the 501st are walking up the temple stairs but we know that more 501st poured into the temple as the battle went on. We have plenty of sources, most notably battlefront 2 (2005) "The 501st journal". Malgus only had a few Sith acolytes and warriors with him. If you watch the cinematic, you can see the sith getting bodied left and right, definitely not quality fighters. Despite that, I'd say Malgus and Vader had incredibly similar performance in their raids, respectively. They both killed the most skilled saber master present then proceeded to take out the more proficient fighters before taking out the weaker jedi. We also need to recognize that Malgus was not trying to "wipe out" the Jedi order, he was sending a message to the republic. It ultimately worked as the senate immediately questioned the Jedi's ability to protect them. In terms of the strategy debate, I don't really no what to say. I'd probably give that to Vader considering he was incharge of the 501st Legion during the Clone Wars and had to deal with lots of planning and battle strategy whereas Malgus basically just rushed into his fights hoping that brute force would win him the day.
Fax it is literally when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object they both were the ones to finally get revenge on the Jedi in their eras and both sustained critical injuries to there fiscal bodies. Vader vs Malgus would truly be the battle of the century…
@@kb-verse oh my bad a he was crushed by a mountain a building and a bomb exploded in his face if that happened to any form of Vader(except dark demensions) he would die he damn near died to fire
It’s always the Vader PFP Whimps that say the opposite, if you put ROTJ Luke vs Vader (conflicted). they will say Luke negs, most dumbass fans I’ve ever seen and Vader is a badass, these type of fans should never support the most iconic villain, it’s an insult to himself. Go support Rey
@@INTJ10551logically, malgus wins since he has force lightning. and is faster, much more aggressive, much more fueled with hate, and unlike vader he uses his whole body as a weapon like kicks, elbows, grapples, tackles, etc.
I think the one thing that tips this battle into malgus' favour is the fact he can use force lightning, and seems to be pretty strong with it, which is a big downside for vader as his suit is veerrrrryyy vulnerable to force lightning
Malgus has lightning and Vader's suit is vulnerable to it, a few precise attacks with it will leave Vader's suit severely damaged giving Malgus huge advantage.
They're also sort of equally broken. We all know about the tragedy of Darth Vader, but Darth Malgus actually was a lot more level-headed when his wife was around. After realising that she was an anchor, in a fit of rage Malgus killed her to make sure he never would turn to the light side, and he regretted that decision for the rest of his life
I was expecting to come into this and see your average “whichever character I like better wins” like almost every other video like this but was pleasantly surprised, some of the points are debatable and they recognized that and had really good points where the decision would be close. Great video 👍
Malgus with his strength and powerful strikes will wear his guard down and use lightning on him which will weaken him to the point where he is clearly finished
In my opinion the two coldest moments for Vader (non comics) are in rebels and fallen order, in rebels it’s when he lifts the walker he got “crushed by” up and in fallen order him walking in
Darth Vader is limited by his suit and his lack of limbs, which causes him to lose, it is a theory that his force abilities are diminished because of his condition from obi wan, the lava and the count. Also his suit makes him vulnerable to force lightning
Considering that Malgus has a more aggressive fighting style and even outmatched more experienced jedi and Vader relies mostly on using his surroundings and it doesn't take a lot to disable his suit, I'd give it to Malgus.
Malgus wins because he has force lightning. Also Palpatine respected Malgus so much he wanted Vader to basically become Malgus so he gifted him Malgus’ journal
Malgus was very tall and heavily built, and only had a breathing valve of prosthetics, Vader was missing 50 percent of his body, and his strength was clearly less. And Malgus has more experience, he attacked the Jedi temple in 1 day in a frontal attack
Didn't Palpatine just order Anakin to seize the temple with a few platoons of clone troopers(501st) and himself. I must say that he executed almost everyone effortlessly without prior planning. Again Vader has shown to exhibit feats of running, walking and fighting without his prosthetics.
@@drsizla1946 anakin did it very well but I must say that malgus feat could be slightly more impressive since the jedi order of that time had been battle hardened for decades in their war with the sith and again against literal sith warriors, whereas the jedi of the prequels were neutered in comparison thrown into a 3 yr war many weren't prepared for and by the time of the attack on the temple it was mostly filled with younglings, padawans, old masters or very young knights
@@drsizla1946 Yea the place was guarded by two Jedi trainers and a bunch of kids. The Jedi order in the old republic were guarded by a war ready Jedi order with Jedi who had cybernetic implants and armor. Malgus did bring some sith warriors with him and a Mandalorian commando so that should be taken into consideration.
Vader legends is one of the strongest force users ever, I don’t like this style of “1v1” because it doesn’t always apply or make sense In short I think Vader would win but it would be very close
I'll say Malgus will beat Vader but will struggle to do , that's my view without any biases I'm Vader fan, but still objectively I think Malgus is far better than Vader .
I love Darth Vader, he is great, i grew up watching him, however with Darth Malgus, he just seems so powerful, so focused and so brutal, makes me think how can someone match his power
He got to the point that he was literally known as "the False Emperor". The guy was one of the pillars of the Sith civil war. Its not like he was a random guy that just showed up and was killed. He also never canonicaly died. He was frozen in carbonite and as far as we know is still out there somewhere frozen.
@@mr.cookiecutter And the way he went about taking over the Sith Empire was just foolish. He didn't even try to form an alliance with any member of the Dark Council... Each of whom had a significant power base. He should have tried to recruit Darth Nox who was a new member
"We are mere children with toys compared to the ancient masters." Can't be comparing such different eras, both were strong in their own league but malgus is on a higher level than any of the canon sith.
Darth Vader in Legends could be a great threat for Master Yoda. The same thing with Darth Malgus. Well, if Darth Vader gets hatred enough, then he would destroy Darth Malgus. If Darth Malgus use his "mini Force storms" (I don't remember the name of the Force abillity), then Malgus could win with extreme diff or can go other way. If you are using Oneness Malgus, then Vader can't do nothing.
Vader comes out on top in this fight, but half of his suit destroyed (like we've seen in the comics) BECAUSE in the comics it's set in stone that he CAN NOT DIE until he says he dies. And although he's "weak" against force lightning, he can still take it better than Luke did in rotj💀
I mean they both had same thing in common... Had a romance with someone but were killed later... Had face mask... Likely same armor... And most importantly... They both bald...
I don't think anyone read the explanations but for dueling you wrote "both were the best duelists in their time" but you gave the point to darth instead of both.
Malgus killed several masters, the battlemaster of the jedi, and killed alot during his time. The only master Vader killed was the instructor/battlemaster and an shaak ti.
I would say darth vader wins because his and palpatine’s knowledge transcends sith knowledge so they know all about the Darkside and more putting them at a higher power level.
The fight would last a while they are both just too angry to die Malgus got -Blown up -Pushed inside a cliff multiple times -Got 2 buildings dropped on him Vader got -All his limbs chopped off -Burnt alive -Left there to die for a very long time
@@ShadowChaser246No, I'd say they went through the same amount of pain, hell not to mention Vader accidentally killed his wife, which extremely damaged him mentally, while Malgus killed his own wife on purpose to further his own power in the dark side.
@@merlin9802 Vader has tutaminis and a great reaction speed. Also, by the Book of the Sith, you can see that Vader knows the weakness of Darth Malgus.
@@Sanguine_mortisit is stated by the writer of KOTOR that Vader will win against Nihilus in every outcome since his force drain against Vader is useless
malgus can be said "vader in his era." malgus had much more hate in combat yet he still managed to keep everything in tact, a very good leader. and he uses his whole body as a weapon with elbows, kicks, grapples, etc which vader has a hard time in doing so
“Let’s end the debate” proceeds to do the exact opposite
It’s still ended … He said they are equal, so the victor would be determined by battle conditions … Like if Malgus has the high ground 🤭
@@user-vr5zk9ox8d High Ground+FORCE lightning
I mean if its legends Vader though? He literally became so powerful at one point he toke off his suit.
@@calvinjohnson4776 It's on a book? How is it called?
@@iron-gato225 I don't know how it was called nor what it was called. It's in the star wars comics.
malgus is badass, but if we’re talking novels/comics vader he’s destroying malgus, this man tore open a rift in reality with his bare hands, he lifted the veil between the living and the dead, he survived an orbital bombardment, he’s pretty much done everything
and people always seem to think vader is extremely vulnerable to force lightning, that’s not entirely true
first off he’s been struck with it multiple times, but he can still fight on despite his suit being damaged for a decent while, palpatine’s lightning affects him so much bc he’s been stated and proven to have the most potent force lightning of all the sith (aside from the brother, but he’s not exactly a sith)
second, it’s actually fairly easy to block force lightning, all you need is a lightsaber tbh, not to mention vader mastered the same technique yoda used to redirect force lightning, so really he’s not as vulnerable as people think he is
He’s actually called The Son and not The Brother, and the ability you are talking about is called Tutaminis. It’s not known if Vader was a Yoda level Tutaminis practitioner, but he does have skill with it. You’re spot on about the difference in Darth Sidious’ Lightning and the Lightning used by anyone else, because as we have seen it took Galen Marek’s more powerful clone to amp his Lightning by a huge magnitude to actually stop Vader in the TFU 2 game
@@galenmarek4582 all good points
The first thing you said about vader is actually Canon.
Malgus honestly would have been the perfect master for Vader. I truly think he would have pushed to help Vader reach his full potential, and the two would truly remake the galaxy. Unlike Sidious who only saw Vader as a tool. I also think that Vader wouldn't be inclined to betray Malgus, as the two would have an understanding of each other due to their similar situations and mindsets.
Sidious was the perfect storm to become powerful tho
@@user-uc7qb1su4e huh? Sidious was a storm to become powerful? Can you explain what you mean?
@@mr.cookiecutter he was the perfect blend of natural raw power in the force, sheer charisma, intelligence, not being willing to follow rules that previous Sith had, and disregarding the rule of two because he was so opportunistic that he wanted himself to rule forever rather than being taken over by his apprentice like previous Sith.
@@user-uc7qb1su4e yes, I know all of that. What's your point?
Just imagine if malgus would have trained starkiller 💀💀💀
I will always stay with my Lord Magus in the name of the Sith Empire.
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@@DarthRinzler yeah, he has only 5000 years of technology more than Malgus and he was even Vader's hero💀🚩
@@DarthRinzler I know this is going to sound hypocritical but says the guy with a anakin pfp
@Billion Headz Doesn't mean He's better then Vader. Vader will always best Malgus. Old Republic fan made Comics are just stupid asf. I could make a much official powerful character then Fp Anakin and luke combined. Old Republic characters are wack cause of how powerful they are shown in almost every single sith. This is why the new sith and jedi are better cause they have there strength and weaknesses. Not just OP. It's more realistic
@@T1Top what on earth are you talking about
"The test isn't difficult."
The test:
I think Malgus isn't pure evil, but he have better mindset.
@SithtariEditz oh, that was horrible, but I ever heard that he regret of this.
He's definitely pure evil. He completely abides by the sith code
Malgus is pure evil
@@que-gl2ze oh, yeah, but he is my hero!
If Malgus isnt pure evil then vader is an angel compared to him. By the way in ROTS after the assassination of the separatist leaders Ankin-Vader was standing on the platform and shading tears, cuz he was sorry for turning to the dark side, deep inside he never wanted to go that way, and he hated himself after turning into Vader we know.
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If Vader can find a way to block/deflect/defeat Malgus' Lightning, 55/45, Vader. If not, Vader is fucked.
Vader could just block it with his lightsaber. I don’t think it’ll be an easy block though. Malgus is a quick fighter. I somehow see Vader coming out victorious in the end, but barely.
@@INTJ10551 vader cant use lightning at the risk of him getting himself killed so he cant block with lightning and cant tank lightning from others he has to dodge
Vader have tutaminis and hid lightsaber for that
Vader most likely wouldn't use his lightsaber because the after effects of hitting lightsaber which was electrified by force lightning is a repulse of lightning, electrocuting both Malgus and himself. Instead he'd most likely exhibit the tactic of force deflect, deflecting the lightning with the whim of his hand forth.
@@carlactus5870 he has tutiminis for blaster bolts but he never learned to catch force lightning and im not so sure he could since he didn't have organic tissue for limbs anmlymore so they'd just conduct it
I agree, they are very even, but ultimately, Sith are truly free in the Old Republic while the restraint and secretive nature of the Imperial Sith were a weakness which might give Malgus an advantage.
Edit: You guys needa take a chill pill in the comments section. I never even argued that Malgus would definitively win. All I argued was that Vader’s identity as a Sith Lord was hidden, not that he himself was hidden. Still prolly a 50/50 split for me tho
Yes but vader was never hidden.
@@Captaindark900 But malgus himself killed way more jedi than vader and he personal lead the attack on the Jedi Temple
@@fjreyna4100 never said he didnt. but vader also led the attack on the jedi temple.
@@fjreyna4100 where did you get Malugs killed more Jedi?
@martinsoukup562 he's right Malgus did kill more Jedi then Vader cause remember he was born to kill Jedi and Vader wasn't
i think you are the first guy that explains why who whins. gigachad here
Not first, but thank you
Yes the first
@@force_user Bro why do you take so many L's?
Strength:Vader via force enhance and being above maul who could tear apart blast doors
Durability:Tanked starkiller force lighting for a while, starkiller force lighting could rip in two a star destroyer by powering the reactors with his lighting
Speed:C'mon....vader jumped over a blaster after it was shot at less than one meter than him(Blasters are FTL)
Iq:Vader...is obvious
Battle iq:Obviously vader
Force power:Vader>>>anakin>>>>rots sidious who could shake stars...
Force knowledge:Vader, he studied darth bane's knowledge that had almost infinite knowledge about the dark side
Hax:Vader has sub-atomic manipulation, evaporization, Kinetite(variant of force lighting)
Stamina:Vader duh....
Endurance:Vader literally was burned to almost death after being cut down by obi wan, i would like to see darth malgus taking that
Reaction speed:Scales above anakin, obi wan and mace windu who can react to hyperspace
i have scans for all of that
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Just apart from the feeling of indecision
So malgus not only lived longer, he fought more fearsome and lengthy wars against a militarized jedi order, so he would definitely win in experience
This is literally the closest a battle can be in star wars
Honestly I’d say malgus and Darth Vader are more or less the same person
Sidious nerfed the hell out of Vader so much that he's extremely vulnerable to force lightning, that and he doesn't have a proper functioning respiratory system, Malgus could wear him down with his aggression, speed, and force techniques.
Yeah, and I doubt Vader could defend himself against a Force Maestrom.
He was so extremely vulnerable to force lighting that he could tank it for long enough to kill Palpatine while others would just insta die...
@@martinsoukup562 *Luke tanking the full force of his lightning for 10 solid seconds while Vader dies from a few seconds of exposure*
@@j-dawg4774 Yes because Luke is known to be super weak in the force. He was so weak that he just became the strongest force wielder ever. Also from the scene, I would say it's kinda of obvious that Palpatine was torturing him.
@@martinsoukup562 But he lets out the "full force of his lightning" when he gets hoisted into the air. Also Sidious had full intentions of ending Luke's life right there, Luke being one of the best force users had nothing to do with his durability. It's clearly stated that Vader's suit was intended to be weaker to force lightning by Sidious.
Battle IQ would go to malgus, the dude was arguably the best battlefield commander of the whole war and led some of the empires best campaigns to victory, and saw more combat and battles than anakin and vader combined, I mean, the dude was a commander in a 30 year war, anakin was a general for 3
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I would have to disagree with that statement because of the fact that Anakin was born in slavery purely of the force itself making him more of akin to a force entity than even a Sith Lord meaning with all of his innate Talent as well as battle Ackerman being trained from the Jedi Temple at a very young age and spent his entire life at War he could definitely give Malgus a run for his money if not outright kill him in Rage because he still has revenge to live for he still hasn't finished off his master Obi-Wan Kenobi which means he would have unfinished business which would push him to Victory he would not let Malgus kill him under any circumstances
@@darksword67malgus is a better duelist than vader, but vader is force user the malgus but malgus would win do to his experience of fighting alone and leading his army and he would definitely cheat to beat vader 😂
@@confusenconquerno Vader mastered all 7 forms and built a hybrid dueling style based off form 5 djem so with some maskashi
I guess you must’ve forgotten the additional 23 years that Vader spent as second in command of an entire empire during a galactic civil war, huh dummy?
This might be the most accurate Malgus vs Vader RUclips short out there. It would honestly be very close, but Malgus has the edge because he has no restraints, unlike Vader.
I’m just happy that someone is using a different song for this edit
Malgus isn't limited like Vader. I'm not just talking about his cybernetics, I'm talking about his emotional limitations.
In the early days of the sith empire, Malgus was limited by his emotional connection to his love interest. He knew that his lover was his weakness and that if he was to truly become a Sith and a conqueror he would need to "Break his chains" or his limitations. This would mean killing his lover.
After killing the woman he loved he gained a level of focus that Vader could never conjure. Vader was always attached to Padme, he could never separate his old life from his current one. In some parts of Vaders mind, Anakin lived on. This is why Malgus will almost always beat Vader, he has complete control over the darkside. Whereas Vader is being controlled by the Darkside.
Well said and is pretty much my reasoning as to why malgus would win. They're the same in so many ways thousands of yrs apart but the difference was their approach. Malgus embraced her death and devoted himself the dark side and the sith, whereas vader hated himself and devoted himself to his own pain which did make him powerful but capped his overall potential as a sith massively
You’re both morons
@@HaroonKhan-wd2dz you’re just mad malgus wins 🤷♂️
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Darth Vader (Legends) Vs Darth Malgus (Legends)
Strength-Vader (his strength is stated to be over Low-Outversal, can lift around 20 tons without the Force, with the Force he once threw a literal Moon)
Speed-Malgus (Altough Vader moves at light speed with Force speed he is still somewhat hindered)
Durability-Vader (his durability is stated to be over Low-Outversal fell from a nearby Moon to planet Jekara and survived with no injuries, survived not being desintegrated also unharmed, survived a blast equivalent to Death Star Superlaser that can destroy multiple planets)
Agility-Malgus
Stamina-both
Endurance-both
Iq-Vader
Intelligence-Vader
Knowledge-Vader
Force Knowledge-Vader
Sith Alchemy-Vader (Sidious tought him)
Training-Vader
Biq-Vader (Clone General and Sith Lord)
Experiance-Malgus
Battle Exp-both
Skill-Vader (proficient in killing Jedi, fought 8 of them at once)
Weapon-Vader (his Lightsaber burns 6 times hotter than the Sun while the normal one burns 4 times hotter, also Vader modified his Lightsaber so he can adjust the length of the blade)
Defense-Malgus (From what I have seen Malgus tends to use defense a bit more than Vader)
Offense-Vader (He was the best Master of Form V to ever exist)
Dueling-Vader (Mastered all forms, created his own, it was still a Form V but with some upgrades from every other form)
Lightsaber form-Vader (same explaination)
Combat-both (combine Force Power with their dueling skills)
Combat speed-Malgus
Reaction speed-Vader (380 mach, dodged a blaster from an X-Wing)
Force Power-Darth Vader (The Chosen One, has the most midichlorians, 27000 per cell)
Force abilities-Both (they both have so many abilities, altough Malgus has Maelstrom and Force Lightening, Vader has Focused Rage and Force Schockwave, basically same level)
AP-Vader
DC-Vader (more power equals more destructive capability, especially with those abilities)
Hax-Vader (Obviously)
Versatility-Malgus
Feats-Vader (Killed an Ender, destroyed the Jedi Order, killed billions of living beings including hundreds of Jedi, became the most feared and the most powerful Sith Lord to exist ever, surpassed Sidious)
Darth Vader wins mid difficulty, Darth Vader has the advantages over Revan, Nihilus, Sidious, Vitiate and other Sith who can beat Malgus, it was even said that Vader scales higher than any other Sith
Darth Vader>Darth Sidious>Darth Vitiate>Darth Revan>Darth Nihilus (almost useless without Force drain)...
'Any other sith' the levels of power get absurd post ROTJ in Legends at least so he defo is below Caedus imo but sure mate
I agree with every single thing you say except putting Vader above Sidious. That’s not happening in any possibility unless it is Full Potential Vader (FP before Mustafar injuries)
They have the same stories, they're like lost brothers
Malgus wins mid-high diff
Speed: His speed was such that a normal human found it difficult to watch his movement in his duels.
Dueling: Defeated many strong jedi and sith using only his lightsaber. (Example: He defeated the jedi master Ven Zallow in a short but ferocious duel. Zallow was often regarded as one of the greatest duelist's in the entire jedi order of his time.
Feats: Sacked the jedi temple with brute strength alone. Jedi grand master Satele Shan stated that Malgus was the most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she had ever experienced. Malgus was one of darth Sidious greatest idols.
Force: Dark rage is a power that allows a force user to increase his strength, speed, recilliency and resolve. Force protection is a passive (and sometimes active) enhancement of a force sensetive's durability to varying superhuman degrees. Force speed is a passive (and sometimes active enhancement of a force sensetive's speed to varying superhuman degrees
it was staed that new sith are stronger than old sith even TPM Maul is stated above and it is also stated that siths are getting stronger by each generation in Canon and EU plus vader has way better feats who already put him above Malgus
@@maedus_Malgus is as powerful if not more powerful than Vitiate. Vitiate>Malgus>Sidious>Vader
@@The-Allfather-OdinLMAO putting Malgus over Sidious. Sidious is the strongest Sith to ever live by far.
@@The-Allfather-Odin"Speed: His speed was such that a normal human found it difficult to watch his movement in his duels."
That's literally nothing unexpected. It's super common for many main characters.
"Dueling: Defeated many strong jedi and sith using only his lightsaber. (Example: He defeated the jedi master Ven Zallow in a short but ferocious duel. Zallow was often regarded as one of the greatest duelist's in the entire jedi order of his time."
Oh, too bad Vader doesn't have any feats regarding defeating Jedi. Oh, wait!
"Feats: Sacked the jedi temple with brute strength alone. Jedi grand master Satele Shan stated that Malgus was the most dangerous embodiment of the dark side she had ever experienced. Malgus was one of darth Sidious greatest idols."
Source?
"Force: Dark rage is a power that allows a force user to increase his strength, speed, recilliency and resolve. Force protection is a passive (and sometimes active) enhancement of a force sensetive's durability to varying superhuman degrees. Force speed is a passive (and sometimes active enhancement of a force sensetive's speed to varying superhuman degrees"
Passive lmao. Also again super common.
@@martinsoukup562 Sidious is not the most powerful Sith ever he got freaking yeeted off the reactor shaft how is he the most powerful ever lmao the old sith would laugh at him ngl
An extremely good edit
This fight would probably be like the mustafar battle where ur not sure who would really win and it’s 50/50
I think if they fought, they would both definitely die, but Malgus has better augments and such. Though, since this Legends Vader has gone up against several high ranking Jedi Masters.
Though, I think Malgus going toe to toe with Shan is also remarkable. Though, Malgus is an amazing strategist due to the fact he switches sides several times.
Malgus was also able to strategize with the Mandalorians to destroy Coruscant and wipe out a good chunk of the many Jedi back then.
" Amazing Strategist ", because he switched sides how much?.. A ton. That means nothing. Now then you're saying that Malgus from the Old Republic has better augments that the future Galactic Empire and Vader?.. Kinda flawed but okay. And once again Vader simply executed the whole entire JEDI ORDER... with a few platoons of 501st, himself without planning it. Once more he was taking ROWS.. and ROWS of jedi by himself.
@@drsizla1946 Malgus was no where near as limited as Vader was in terms of augmentation. While no one can definitively prove the quality of the cybernetics, I think we can all agree that Malgus has better mobility and control over his own body than Vader.
And, "A few platoons"? He had the entirety of the 501st Legion, not to mention the Coruscant Guard and the defense corps on world. Sure, doesn't look like a lot when the 501st are walking up the temple stairs but we know that more 501st poured into the temple as the battle went on. We have plenty of sources, most notably battlefront 2 (2005) "The 501st journal".
Malgus only had a few Sith acolytes and warriors with him. If you watch the cinematic, you can see the sith getting bodied left and right, definitely not quality fighters. Despite that, I'd say Malgus and Vader had incredibly similar performance in their raids, respectively. They both killed the most skilled saber master present then proceeded to take out the more proficient fighters before taking out the weaker jedi.
We also need to recognize that Malgus was not trying to "wipe out" the Jedi order, he was sending a message to the republic. It ultimately worked as the senate immediately questioned the Jedi's ability to protect them.
In terms of the strategy debate, I don't really no what to say. I'd probably give that to Vader considering he was incharge of the 501st Legion during the Clone Wars and had to deal with lots of planning and battle strategy whereas Malgus basically just rushed into his fights hoping that brute force would win him the day.
Yes I strongly agree with you if 2 characters whose levels are absolutely the same finding winner depends on location and battle ground
finally someone that doesn't overrate Vader
Fax it is literally when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object they both were the ones to finally get revenge on the Jedi in their eras and both sustained critical injuries to there fiscal bodies. Vader vs Malgus would truly be the battle of the century…
Malgus also survived being crushed by a multi hundred pound rock
He survived, got up and literally fought some Jedi right after being crushed by the rock.
More like he was smashed into the side of a large cliff, got out of 1000s of pounds of rock and decided the Republic needed to burn
and vader survived an orbital bombardment on mon cala, what’s your point?
@@kb-verse oh my bad a he was crushed by a mountain a building and a bomb exploded in his face if that happened to any form of Vader(except dark demensions) he would die he damn near died to fire
Oh yeah not to mention fought Jedi(masters I believe) and still almost beat them what’s your point
A live action battle would be crazy
Imo Malgus wins
It’s always the Vader PFP Whimps that say the opposite, if you put ROTJ Luke vs Vader (conflicted). they will say Luke negs, most dumbass fans I’ve ever seen and Vader is a badass, these type of fans should never support the most iconic villain, it’s an insult to himself. Go support Rey
I don’t think he’ll be able to beat Vader.
Trash opinion.
@@INTJ10551logically, malgus wins since he has force lightning. and is faster, much more aggressive, much more fueled with hate, and unlike vader he uses his whole body as a weapon like kicks, elbows, grapples, tackles, etc.
@@jordankairos logically you dont know legends.
I think the one thing that tips this battle into malgus' favour is the fact he can use force lightning, and seems to be pretty strong with it, which is a big downside for vader as his suit is veerrrrryyy vulnerable to force lightning
I really like that you put a lot of effort on every video!Amazing dude,keep going!
🔥edit my guy
“You, were deceived. And now, your republic shall fall.”
Dude great edit!
W edit 🔥
Malgus has lightning and Vader's suit is vulnerable to it, a few precise attacks with it will leave Vader's suit severely damaged giving Malgus huge advantage.
His lightning is not strong like palpatines he can block it
Can you do Darth vader versus Darth Bane
If he put AP or Reaction Speed as a point then the debate would have ended, but for now the debate only relies on the battle conditions.
Song name pls 🙏
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“End the debate”
You choose
I'd give Malgus the knowledge point. He's extremely knowledgeable of Sith and Jedi history and actively seeks to learn about it to gain power.
They're also sort of equally broken. We all know about the tragedy of Darth Vader, but Darth Malgus actually was a lot more level-headed when his wife was around. After realising that she was an anchor, in a fit of rage Malgus killed her to make sure he never would turn to the light side, and he regretted that decision for the rest of his life
Song is derniere danse for anyone wondering
That would be a crazy fight to see
Man this is one nice vid
Мы можем не разделять мнение автора, но согласитесь, эдит классный 👍
Very good video well done
Nice edit
When the Unstoppable Force meets the immovable object that's the fight you have right here
I was expecting to come into this and see your average “whichever character I like better wins” like almost every other video like this but was pleasantly surprised, some of the points are debatable and they recognized that and had really good points where the decision would be close. Great video 👍
I strongly believe Vader will eventually take the upper hand and win. With High difficulty though.
Malgus with his strength and powerful strikes will wear his guard down and use lightning on him which will weaken him to the point where he is clearly finished
No chance, Malgus stomps.
@@Soul_Of_RevanMalgus has no strength feats, that would give reason, to believe he could overpower Vader
In my opinion the two coldest moments for Vader (non comics) are in rebels and fallen order, in rebels it’s when he lifts the walker he got “crushed by” up and in fallen order him walking in
im surprised that you use shotcut also this is fax asf
That’s a fight I would love to see
Darth Vader is limited by his suit and his lack of limbs, which causes him to lose, it is a theory that his force abilities are diminished because of his condition from obi wan, the lava and the count. Also his suit makes him vulnerable to force lightning
Considering that Malgus has a more aggressive fighting style and even outmatched more experienced jedi and Vader relies mostly on using his surroundings and it doesn't take a lot to disable his suit, I'd give it to Malgus.
To be fair malgus was based of darth vader and thats very clear on the design, its only natural for them to be equals
Malgus wins because he has force lightning. Also Palpatine respected Malgus so much he wanted Vader to basically become Malgus so he gifted him Malgus’ journal
Malgus was very tall and heavily built, and only had a breathing valve of prosthetics, Vader was missing 50 percent of his body, and his strength was clearly less. And Malgus has more experience, he attacked the Jedi temple in 1 day in a frontal attack
Didn't Palpatine just order Anakin to seize the temple with a few platoons of clone troopers(501st) and himself. I must say that he executed almost everyone effortlessly without prior planning. Again Vader has shown to exhibit feats of running, walking and fighting without his prosthetics.
@@drsizla1946 anakin did it very well but I must say that malgus feat could be slightly more impressive since the jedi order of that time had been battle hardened for decades in their war with the sith and again against literal sith warriors, whereas the jedi of the prequels were neutered in comparison thrown into a 3 yr war many weren't prepared for and by the time of the attack on the temple it was mostly filled with younglings, padawans, old masters or very young knights
@@drsizla1946 Yea the place was guarded by two Jedi trainers and a bunch of kids. The Jedi order in the old republic were guarded by a war ready Jedi order with Jedi who had cybernetic implants and armor.
Malgus did bring some sith warriors with him and a Mandalorian commando so that should be taken into consideration.
@@TY-km8hjbesides, the order already knew about the arrival of Malgus
Vader legends is one of the strongest force users ever, I don’t like this style of “1v1” because it doesn’t always apply or make sense
In short I think Vader would win but it would be very close
What song is this? It sounds amazing!
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The thing is Vader fights with the mindset of a dead man, you can’t kill something that is already dead inside.
Malgus looks sick in the intro
W edit I think malgus and Vader are equal but what if Vader fought nihilus or Reven? Even though reven is vader's ancestor
I'll say Malgus will beat Vader but will struggle to do , that's my view without any biases I'm Vader fan, but still objectively I think Malgus is far better than Vader .
Vader basically lost 50% of his power on mustifar. Meanwhile Melgus is a beast that keeps coming back.
but nice edit bro
I love Darth Vader, he is great, i grew up watching him, however with Darth Malgus, he just seems so powerful, so focused and so brutal, makes me think how can someone match his power
Can you do Sauron Vs vader and palpatine( both prime)
Its going to be a extreme difficulty fight
Malgus never ruled the Sith Empire lol. He tried to take it over and got beat BADLY
He got to the point that he was literally known as "the False Emperor". The guy was one of the pillars of the Sith civil war. Its not like he was a random guy that just showed up and was killed. He also never canonicaly died. He was frozen in carbonite and as far as we know is still out there somewhere frozen.
@@mr.cookiecutter He's in prison now at least until the next update comes out
@@mr.cookiecutter Yes Emperor for not even a day
@@mr.cookiecutter And the way he went about taking over the Sith Empire was just foolish. He didn't even try to form an alliance with any member of the Dark Council... Each of whom had a significant power base. He should have tried to recruit Darth Nox who was a new member
EPIC EDIT!!!
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“Let’s end this debate.” Proceeds to not end the debate by making them tie🤦♂️
"We are mere children with toys compared to the ancient masters." Can't be comparing such different eras, both were strong in their own league but malgus is on a higher level than any of the canon sith.
Malgus was born long after the death of Kreia, so no point in using that quote
@@kianvandenberg6364 That quote is acceptable and valid since Malgus is an ancient Sith Lord in the eyes of Vader.
Darth Vader in Legends could be a great threat for Master Yoda. The same thing with Darth Malgus. Well, if Darth Vader gets hatred enough, then he would destroy Darth Malgus. If Darth Malgus use his "mini Force storms" (I don't remember the name of the Force abillity), then Malgus could win with extreme diff or can go other way. If you are using Oneness Malgus, then Vader can't do nothing.
Darth Vader bullies.
I would say Malgus takes feats given he sacked the Jedi Temple with brute force and not by major tricks like Vader
Malgus is the coolest SW character ever. He’s the only force user that does not feel goofy or nerdy. He’s more like a space Ronin.
If Darth Malgus knows force lightning it’s over
Malgus does use Force Lightning, but if Vader can react quick enough, he can block the barrage of Force Lightning
Darth Vader has energy deflection/AKA: tutaminis.
,,lets end this debate“
Combat isn’t a lightsaber form, that’s weapon mastery
Vader comes out on top in this fight, but half of his suit destroyed (like we've seen in the comics) BECAUSE in the comics it's set in stone that he CAN NOT DIE until he says he dies. And although he's "weak" against force lightning, he can still take it better than Luke did in rotj💀
fax people rlly underrated malgus and/or overestimate vader, malgus may win because of force lightning it counters vader pretty well
Oh god bro, Vader just uses force shield or force deflect end of story.
@@drsizla1946 and these r the types of simpletons who say vader wins
Vader Wins: Mid-High Diff
No
@@aimanhalabi432 yes.
Not mid diff
It’s like high-Extreme diff
I mean they both had same thing in common...
Had a romance with someone but were killed later...
Had face mask...
Likely same armor...
And most importantly...
They both bald...
I don't think anyone read the explanations but for dueling you wrote "both were the best duelists in their time" but you gave the point to darth instead of both.
Vaders power stays the same after his battle on mustafar. Malgus only grows in power.
Malgus killed several masters, the battlemaster of the jedi, and killed alot during his time. The only master Vader killed was the instructor/battlemaster and an shaak ti.
I still think Darth Malgus would win since he’s pretty much Darth Vader but more powerful.
I would say darth vader wins because his and palpatine’s knowledge transcends sith knowledge so they know all about the Darkside and more putting them at a higher power level.
Malgus Killed more Jedi Than Vader did.1,000 years before Anikan was even Born.😊
Can you make the text last longer pls
Lets end this debate!!! "They are both equal" 💀
Malgus fully committed himself to the dark side he should have that point while Vader couldn’t hence at the end of the 6th movie
What app do you use to edit
Can you do full potential anikan vs 3 shith
The fight would last a while they are both just too angry to die
Malgus got
-Blown up
-Pushed inside a cliff multiple times
-Got 2 buildings dropped on him
Vader got
-All his limbs chopped off
-Burnt alive
-Left there to die for a very long time
Malgus went through way more than Vader so I think Malgus wins in durability
@@ShadowChaser246No, I'd say they went through the same amount of pain, hell not to mention Vader accidentally killed his wife, which extremely damaged him mentally, while Malgus killed his own wife on purpose to further his own power in the dark side.
Vader slams Malgus
Keep in mind Vader was relative to Palpatine atp especially in ROTJ who was stated to be the strongest sith
I doubt Vader could beat Malgus due to his vulnerability to lightning, but besides that they are very similar and equally bad ass
Where did you get he is vulnerable to lighting?
@@martinsoukup562 Palpatine designed his suit to make him vulnerable to lighting so that he wouldn't be able to kill Palpatine
@@merlin9802 Well look at how that worked out lol
@martinsoukup562 yeah but the suit still worked because Vader died
@@merlin9802 Vader has tutaminis and a great reaction speed. Also, by the Book of the Sith, you can see that Vader knows the weakness of Darth Malgus.
Vader was the strongest Sith in his prime. Vader destroys
Nah mate, Ur forgetting nihilus and revan
@@Sanguine_mortis i think vader would take nihilus but revan is close. But vitiate stomps
@@Sanguine_mortisit is stated by the writer of KOTOR that Vader will win against Nihilus in every outcome since his force drain against Vader is useless
malgus can be said "vader in his era." malgus had much more hate in combat yet he still managed to keep everything in tact, a very good leader. and he uses his whole body as a weapon with elbows, kicks, grapples, etc which vader has a hard time in doing so
@@Soul_Of_Revansource?
i love how almost every single battle for vader and someone else defense does not go to vader, its halarious