How more teams haven’t adapted to the Brighton and Brentford methodology of moneyball is crazy! Spending big money hardly ever works out! Think Sunderland will be next to make their way up over the next 5 years doing the same!
All the best teams in the world spend huge money virtually every single summer. Lots of clubs want to be the next Man City or PSG or Red Bull Whatever and spend their way to the top. Not arguing against moneyball but Brighton and Brentford are not exactly winning the Champions League. Of course I'm not taking any shots at those clubs but just explaining why other clubs try to spend huge money. It doesn't always work out but neither does moneyball (Southampton).
The biggest innovation other clubs can take from them is that they look for consistency over a period of 30+ games regardless of what level they are playing
Really liking the honesty around salaries, backroom running of clubs and what players think as people with money and transfers. Been such a black box for so long.
Why one of the bigger clubs didn’t try and sign Mitoma in the summer window is beyond me. I fully expected someone to come in for him. That guy is a serious talent
I think anyone who buys players from Brighton has to do so at their own risk. Brighton only recruits players that fit their system so there's no guarantee they do well outside of that system.
Porto have had (and probably still have) a portion of their scouting team scouting replacements for a player from the moment the latter signs. Benfica and Sporting are doing it now too, amongst a number of other clubs.
@@kb5509 being young does not mean you should go for world class prices. You see why Chelsea have fallen flat on their faces. In the history of football prospects never went for ridiculous money. It was akways when you were proven and in your prime from 24-27 age range. So your statement makes no sense
2:50 The whole point of the Brighton project is *NOT* to take human element into consideration. If Brighton get an offer for Mitoma they stuck it into their model and if it matches or surpasses what the numbers say he's worth, they sell. If the numbers say "offer new contract" they do. ZERO insight into Brighton, despite the clickbait title
I am not sure how long Brighton can keep doing it, Southampton came unstuck doing similar. Brighton do seem to be better than them and have been amazingly consistent so maybe they will be able to keep it going.
At Spurs our idiot Chairman Levy refuses to do this and runs down contracts. Somehow we signed a young Luka Modric for about £12m and he was on a 5 year deal of about £40k per week.... After about 6 months it was clear we had a world class player on our hands. Did Levy a) Tear up the contract and give him a big pay rise building the team around him....or b) Hold him to his contract until the last year when Real Madrid came in and forced Levy's hand... Real Madrid paid 4x that in his first contract with them. Levy is a disaster for Spurs.
@@kb5509 You do realise that Tottenham have a massive fanbase and are a huge club? When Levy took over the previous owners had mismanaged the club financially and Levy was VERY lucky that this century has seen a huge explosion in the global TV income for the Premier League. He has squandered this with poor decision making. One League Cup in 23 years. Is that success. p.s Tottenham had a few tough years in the late 90s but were near the top of the league from about 1980 to early 90s.
@@subculture2006There's 5 or 6 massive clubs in the premier league who have even bigger budgets than Tottenham. Think Chelsea, City and United for example. Tottenham regularly finish in and around the top 4. I think they've done okay. Next level means next level investment and obviously the owners ENIC don't want to do that. Levy owns 10% of the club and has done fiscally well on and off the pitch against huge oil-rich teams.
@@iambeyondfake You're equating pure money spent with decision making. His decision making on all football matters has been generally appalling, whether hiring/firing managers, the club structure, the transfer market, when and when not to spend, and communication with the fans. He is a disaster. He may have got it right with Ange but even there history shows that he will not support him and the manager will eventually get sick of his s**t and leave/get fired.
Contacts seem to mean absolutely nothing what's the point if players can just rip it up and get a new one no matter how longs left on it if they are playing well
@@JASPADIGHOST I thought that meant that when the contract had come to an end the player could leave the club for free. Where as before the bosman ruling player were not allowed to leave the club with out a fee even when the contract had ended which is stupid but sounds like players now days can do whatever they like.
The player can't rip it up. Neither can the club. But both parties can agree to change the contract if it suits them. Clubs absolutely can, and do, force players to fulfill their contracts, but it's rarely a good idea because the player will drop in performance (intentionally or not).
i play champ manager different than you then ben lmao .. any players i defo wana keep hold of if im coming up to the end of a season if theyre on 2 years left im new contracting them lol some times in the jan before just to make sure 😂😂
There is a massive difference in transfer strategy's depending on your aims and targets . If Brighton wanted to challenge for the League what they are doing now will never ever work . The fact they don't wanna challenge allows them to go for the unknowns in the hope they manage to sell at a higher price .
Brighton do want to win the league though. How do Brighton compete against the massively wealthy clubs in regard to wages, status etc when they have nowhere near the financial clout? They have to think differently to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. This can only be achieved by being attractive to future stars as a pathway to that global stardom. Top youngsters globally now see Brighton as the destination club because of the opportunities they offer, the attention to detail paid by the club and the planning in their development. Mitoma’s replacement is already there; Adingra. Gilmour was already there to replace Caciedo. O’Mahoney is being readied to replace Ferguson. Brighton know who will be going a year in advance and get their successor in before it happens. No release clauses mean they don’t get caught out. If ( a big if) Brighton win the Europa League or get UCL, things may change, but they can NEVER compete the same way as the big clubs. Just look at the mess Everton are in (and Villa were) by following this method.
Thats the problem with modern football. You're a mid table club, You FINALLY managed to sign an absolute gem in the market, 2 years later hes gone to a "big" club. Southampton great example a few years back. Lost all their quality players. Will no doubt happen to Brighton too. Only so many times they can sell a class player and manage to sign another one. Football would be so much better if world class players were spread out across more teams in the league.
What’s good about Brighton is they seem genuinely upset every time they have to sell a big player and they only do it for huuuge money. I was surprised they let bissouma go for that price but impressed with how they pushed up caicedos price.
One thing to think of about Brighton, is they only sell someone if there is a replacement already in house. Sold Trossard, because Mitoma was there, and had taken his spot, and Adringa was on the way. Sold MacAllister because we had Gilmour. Sold Bissouma, becuase we had Caicedo and so on... There is a plan. Otherwise, no reason to sell, despite all the plastic fans screaming on social media.
@@syberdieforloveyoure slightly missing the point. Brighton don't sell under the replacement is there, whereas lots of teams sell and then try to find the replacement - that puts them in a much worse bargaining position.
@@syberdieforlove Whoosh...that noise is the point going right over your head. The players are already there before anyone leaves, tahts the difference. They dont replace them, the replacement is already there. Then, they go and sign that person replacement, send them on loan if needed and so they are ready to step in when the next player moves on. Brighton are thinking 2-3-4 steps down the road. Thats what makes them so smart.
It's no coincidence that the owners of Brighton and Brentford are in the same business. In fact, the Brighton owner used to be an employee of the Brentford owner before going at it alone! The business? They are both mathematicians who engage in professional gambling using highly complicated statistical analysis and computer software. Presumably they both treat recruitment in much the same way they do with placing bets.
Things changed at Southampton when the owner died. His daughter didn’t have the same passion and sold the club to ‘investors’ They were purely in it for the money and status and the youth/ recruitment suffered. The same happened at Leicester after the owner died and his son took over.
@@HdHd-hp6qz Yes he will. Plenty move on to ‘big’ clubs and it goes tits up. He wants to build and win something before making the next move, which will likely be City
@@HdHd-hp6qz ETH will still be there. RDZ has won nothing and 3/4 of a season in the EPL. The only thing he has proven in his management career is loyalty. Not many stay in a city under attack to make sure all the foreign players have got out before leaving themselves. As long as Bloom supports his ambition, things will be fine.
How more teams haven’t adapted to the Brighton and Brentford methodology of moneyball is crazy! Spending big money hardly ever works out! Think Sunderland will be next to make their way up over the next 5 years doing the same!
They don't know the exact details of the formula and its secret recipe.
@aminerkin9844 🤣 what having competent scouts and good networking🤣 it's not a secret, there is no pressure on Brighton, that's why they can do it.
It's highly secretive how exactly they are doing it we no some detail but very little
All the best teams in the world spend huge money virtually every single summer. Lots of clubs want to be the next Man City or PSG or Red Bull Whatever and spend their way to the top.
Not arguing against moneyball but Brighton and Brentford are not exactly winning the Champions League. Of course I'm not taking any shots at those clubs but just explaining why other clubs try to spend huge money. It doesn't always work out but neither does moneyball (Southampton).
The biggest innovation other clubs can take from them is that they look for consistency over a period of 30+ games regardless of what level they are playing
Really liking the honesty around salaries, backroom running of clubs and what players think as people with money and transfers. Been such a black box for so long.
The big Irish head is a common Irish trait, good to see Ferg carry on the tradition
I think Dan Ashworth has been a big part of what Brighton did he seems to have an eye for a gem , and did it for the baggies for years
Dan Ashworth had no part in recruitment at Brighton. He simply set up a system and put people in place to allow the staff to work together well.
Why one of the bigger clubs didn’t try and sign Mitoma in the summer window is beyond me. I fully expected someone to come in for him. That guy is a serious talent
yup hes much better than kyogo
He only did it for about a half a season last season and his price tag is probably already close to the 100m mark
i think the club conviced him to stay for another year.
@@bonysminiatures3123haha that's funny
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I think anyone who buys players from Brighton has to do so at their own risk. Brighton only recruits players that fit their system so there's no guarantee they do well outside of that system.
99% agree, Mitoma is the 1% though
I really enjoy watching Brighton play! Damn exciting
Wee billy zidane gilmour ❤. Dope drips out his pockets every time he gets the ball
Porto have had (and probably still have) a portion of their scouting team scouting replacements for a player from the moment the latter signs.
Benfica and Sporting are doing it now too, amongst a number of other clubs.
So Mitoma a proven guy is worth only 50 mil but Caicedo who is not better than Mitoma can go for record transfer fees. Ok 😂
Mitoma is 26 and in a more saturated position
Mitoma is 5 years older and started ten less games.
Supply and demand. And age profile.
@@kb5509 being young does not mean you should go for world class prices. You see why Chelsea have fallen flat on their faces. In the history of football prospects never went for ridiculous money. It was akways when you were proven and in your prime from 24-27 age range. So your statement makes no sense
Mitoma worth about £80m in todays
paul barber is why brighton are run so well., didnt hear his name.
What about Odewinge? When he travelled on transfer saws line ? I’ll like to hear that story
We literally saw the story play out on tv and Harry Redknapp has done plenty interviews about it
@@user-dq6se6er8j I would like a player inside story.
From the players view and team mates view.
Could you try get saido on your podcast Ben that be awesome from an SWFC fan thanks and love the podcasts
The lizard aka Tony Bloom is the brains behind Brighton.
2:50 The whole point of the Brighton project is *NOT* to take human element into consideration. If Brighton get an offer for Mitoma they stuck it into their model and if it matches or surpasses what the numbers say he's worth, they sell. If the numbers say "offer new contract" they do. ZERO insight into Brighton, despite the clickbait title
I am not sure how long Brighton can keep doing it, Southampton came unstuck doing similar. Brighton do seem to be better than them and have been amazingly consistent so maybe they will be able to keep it going.
Bloom has stayed ahead of the curve for 20 years so far. Hard to think it wont contnue tbh
That quote at the end is driving me crazy. Can someone please remind me where it comes from?? “He’s got a big head. Big head, big big head.”
It’s from Entourage 😂😂
we need more BHA and less CFC and MC.
They’d have all season Ferguson play for bohemians senior team against Chelsea when he was ONLY 14! That’s not hard to scout 😆
You still have to sign him. Which they did by Brighton's chief scout befriending this dad, as told by Mark Beard on Under the Cosh last week.
i swear the full episode isn't actually on spotify yet
It has been for 3 weeks it's the one about his contract
Wow imagine if every workplace did this! You are valued let me pay you more!
Bit harsh on Ferguson lads
At Spurs our idiot Chairman Levy refuses to do this and runs down contracts. Somehow we signed a young Luka Modric for about £12m and he was on a 5 year deal of about £40k per week.... After about 6 months it was clear we had a world class player on our hands. Did Levy a) Tear up the contract and give him a big pay rise building the team around him....or b) Hold him to his contract until the last year when Real Madrid came in and forced Levy's hand... Real Madrid paid 4x that in his first contract with them.
Levy is a disaster for Spurs.
Where were Tottenham when he took charge? 15th? Bottom half most years?
@@kb5509 You do realise that Tottenham have a massive fanbase and are a huge club? When Levy took over the previous owners had mismanaged the club financially and Levy was VERY lucky that this century has seen a huge explosion in the global TV income for the Premier League. He has squandered this with poor decision making. One League Cup in 23 years. Is that success. p.s Tottenham had a few tough years in the late 90s but were near the top of the league from about 1980 to early 90s.
@@subculture2006There's 5 or 6 massive clubs in the premier league who have even bigger budgets than Tottenham. Think Chelsea, City and United for example. Tottenham regularly finish in and around the top 4. I think they've done okay. Next level means next level investment and obviously the owners ENIC don't want to do that. Levy owns 10% of the club and has done fiscally well on and off the pitch against huge oil-rich teams.
PS. You could argue Dele Alli was a world class player after 6 months..... Hard to predict the future trajectory of players but I take your point.
@@iambeyondfake You're equating pure money spent with decision making. His decision making on all football matters has been generally appalling, whether hiring/firing managers, the club structure, the transfer market, when and when not to spend, and communication with the fans. He is a disaster. He may have got it right with Ange but even there history shows that he will not support him and the manager will eventually get sick of his s**t and leave/get fired.
Good video
Contacts seem to mean absolutely nothing what's the point if players can just rip it up and get a new one no matter how longs left on it if they are playing well
Bosman ruling
@@JASPADIGHOST I thought that meant that when the contract had come to an end the player could leave the club for free. Where as before the bosman ruling player were not allowed to leave the club with out a fee even when the contract had ended which is stupid but sounds like players now days can do whatever they like.
They literally explained it in the video. That was the whole point of the video.
The player can't rip it up. Neither can the club. But both parties can agree to change the contract if it suits them. Clubs absolutely can, and do, force players to fulfill their contracts, but it's rarely a good idea because the player will drop in performance (intentionally or not).
Glad That Berahino deal didn’t work out, otherwise we wouldn’t have gotten Son
"Human element" 😂😂😂🤦🏼♂️
mitoma is light years ahead of that kyogo
Just explained Man Uniteds entires transfer policy over the past 10 years. Refuse to sell, value crashes, cant get rid, beg them to leave on a free.
i play champ manager different than you then ben lmao .. any players i defo wana keep hold of if im coming up to the end of a season if theyre on 2 years left im new contracting them lol some times in the jan before just to make sure 😂😂
The recruit A lot in belgium
Berahino could have been one of our best ever players
Facts if only he didnt fuck it up 😢
There is a massive difference in transfer strategy's depending on your aims and targets . If Brighton wanted to challenge for the League what they are doing now will never ever work . The fact they don't wanna challenge allows them to go for the unknowns in the hope they manage to sell at a higher price .
Brighton do want to win the league though. How do Brighton compete against the massively wealthy clubs in regard to wages, status etc when they have nowhere near the financial clout? They have to think differently to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. This can only be achieved by being attractive to future stars as a pathway to that global stardom. Top youngsters globally now see Brighton as the destination club because of the opportunities they offer, the attention to detail paid by the club and the planning in their development. Mitoma’s replacement is already there; Adingra. Gilmour was already there to replace Caciedo. O’Mahoney is being readied to replace Ferguson. Brighton know who will be going a year in advance and get their successor in before it happens. No release clauses mean they don’t get caught out. If ( a big if) Brighton win the Europa League or get UCL, things may change, but they can NEVER compete the same way as the big clubs. Just look at the mess Everton are in (and Villa were) by following this method.
Thats the problem with modern football. You're a mid table club, You FINALLY managed to sign an absolute gem in the market, 2 years later hes gone to a "big" club. Southampton great example a few years back. Lost all their quality players. Will no doubt happen to Brighton too. Only so many times they can sell a class player and manage to sign another one. Football would be so much better if world class players were spread out across more teams in the league.
What’s good about Brighton is they seem genuinely upset every time they have to sell a big player and they only do it for huuuge money. I was surprised they let bissouma go for that price but impressed with how they pushed up caicedos price.
One thing to think of about Brighton, is they only sell someone if there is a replacement already in house. Sold Trossard, because Mitoma was there, and had taken his spot, and Adringa was on the way. Sold MacAllister because we had Gilmour. Sold Bissouma, becuase we had Caicedo and so on...
There is a plan. Otherwise, no reason to sell, despite all the plastic fans screaming on social media.
@@AndrewAHyndWell, every team does that. They have to replace someone they sell mate 🤣.
@@syberdieforloveyoure slightly missing the point. Brighton don't sell under the replacement is there, whereas lots of teams sell and then try to find the replacement - that puts them in a much worse bargaining position.
@@syberdieforlove Whoosh...that noise is the point going right over your head.
The players are already there before anyone leaves, tahts the difference. They dont replace them, the replacement is already there. Then, they go and sign that person replacement, send them on loan if needed and so they are ready to step in when the next player moves on. Brighton are thinking 2-3-4 steps down the road. Thats what makes them so smart.
They’ve signed 62 players in three years and they’re 300m in debt.
First. Finally!
incredibly run? incredibly what? it’s like saying “very run football club”
Third. Finally!
Mitoma is on just 10k a week and 1 year and half left on his deal
Not for long
Mitoma on 10,000 per week while Antony on 400k per week is absolutely shocking. United are awful.
Second. Finally!
They are good because they don't put all their focus in European football
£40m for Mitoma...lolololol.....
Third,phew!
It's no coincidence that the owners of Brighton and Brentford are in the same business. In fact, the Brighton owner used to be an employee of the Brentford owner before going at it alone! The business? They are both mathematicians who engage in professional gambling using highly complicated statistical analysis and computer software. Presumably they both treat recruitment in much the same way they do with placing bets.
Brentford* owner used to be an employee of the Brighton* owner
Wrong way round , Benham practically stole blooms formula and created a copy company
Brentford employed by Brighton and Tony Bloom actually
Half a billion in debt
Brighton are doing nothing new. Southampton was doing the same thing 7 years ago. And they are now in the championship.
Things changed at Southampton when the owner died. His daughter didn’t have the same passion and sold the club to ‘investors’ They were purely in it for the money and status and the youth/ recruitment suffered. The same happened at Leicester after the owner died and his son took over.
@ goldstoneghost2861 De verbi won’t be at Brighton next season.
@@HdHd-hp6qz Yes he will. Plenty move on to ‘big’ clubs and it goes tits up. He wants to build and win something before making the next move, which will likely be City
@ goldstoneghost2861 Man Utd
@@HdHd-hp6qz ETH will still be there. RDZ has won nothing and 3/4 of a season in the EPL. The only thing he has proven in his management career is loyalty. Not many stay in a city under attack to make sure all the foreign players have got out before leaving themselves. As long as Bloom supports his ambition, things will be fine.
Mitoma earns 10,000 per week lol that’s insane
Co host cheeks getting redder and redder, doesn’t mind a bev does he 😂😂😂